#NG JS vs 5R vs (maybe) HRT

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slate anvil
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I'd try to nego 5R up just to see but I'd still take JS over it

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If you get HRT u should try to nego w/ JS and take that, it's prolly the best imo

night trout
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Hrt >> JS >> 5r

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Ocaml’s not that interesting

gritty sky
slate anvil
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aint nobody wanna code in ocaml

sleek mason
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Proverbs 18:2

gritty sky
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just look at firm perf

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JS revenue > citsec + HRT

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that has more to do with team than firm

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HRT internal tools vs JS equities desk dev?

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the other point i wanted to make

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was that HRT had some issues a couple years back

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people on blind now are also complaining

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about shitty management

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and being fired

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i mean it's all very out there

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i remember 2023-2024 HRT barely hired anyone bc of firm downsizing or smth

tawny orchid
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ok

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but

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cpp used everywhere

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ocaml is only used at js

gritty sky
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why does this matter though

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you're still solving low level problems

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using ocaml

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are you concerned about getting hired elsewhere..?

tawny orchid
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because ur basically locked in to js

gritty sky
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if so, exit opps are very good at js despite languages and internal tooling

tawny orchid
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yea but ur years behind in cpp knowledge

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from where u should be

gritty sky
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why is cpp the north star here 😭

tawny orchid
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because almost everyone uses cpp

gritty sky
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everyone as in other trading firms..?

tawny orchid
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yes

gritty sky
tawny orchid
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u cant join somewhere as an experienced engineer where they expect u to have years of cpp knowledge

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and youve never used the language professionally

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just wont happen

gritty sky
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but also

tawny orchid
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and i can think of 10x

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the firms

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that do use cpp

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a lot

gritty sky
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where do you go after js

tawny orchid
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what is ur point

gritty sky
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why would you work at another quant trading firm

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genuinely

tawny orchid
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because there is no guarantee js will still be the top dawg

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in a few years

gritty sky
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meh

tawny orchid
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u clearly dont understand how the industry works lol

gritty sky
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if you say so..

tawny orchid
slate anvil
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why would u not

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if ur in nyc theres like nowhere else to go

gritty sky
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earning about the same for like 2x the hours and stress

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and shittier culture

tawny orchid
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not necessarily true that youll earn the same

slate anvil
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^^

tawny orchid
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ive heard some eye popping numbers

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for optiver

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delta one

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like u would not believe

gritty sky
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optiver 😂

tawny orchid
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how much a senior swe

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on that team

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can make

slate anvil
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plenty of ppl leave js bc of pay

tawny orchid
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u have senior swes at optiver earning multiple m's

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that probs doesnt happen ever

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at js

slate anvil
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mostly traders but im sure some swes too

gritty sky
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funny you bring that up bc i was on a very similar team at optiver lol

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idt it was that much more

tawny orchid
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im hearing its like that now

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an insider source told me they want a different pay structure altogether

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because that team makes so much money for the firm

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that its unfair for everyone else to eat off that

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but uh

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i cant verify that

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at all

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so maybe its a huge overexaggeration

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idk

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well im just citing one case where one might want to leave js

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for better pay

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js i hear is super communistic with pay

gritty sky
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i do concede that like if you are a top performer or have strong conviction that you will be

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it probably makes less sense to go

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but i think for the majority of people it does not make sense to make decisions with that assumption

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this was not about hrt

tawny orchid
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i think wanting to work in cpp

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is also important too tho

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ocaml is slop

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and a few years of that

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will set u back

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if u want to go somewhere else

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state your case

slate anvil
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ngl ifl gunning for these only makes sense if ur goal in life is to retire at like 30 or smth

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yea i agree

tawny orchid
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ngl id take the risk

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id rather be citsec low latency

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than js

gritty sky
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also why do you need to earn 1M+ LOL

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what do you need all this money for

tawny orchid
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i mean why do you need 600k

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why do u need 384.2372837283k

gritty sky
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i prioritize my health, wellbeing, etc, over the marginal 500k or whatever

tawny orchid
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why do u need 210.2337678276k

slate anvil
tawny orchid
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idk. i just cant wrap my head around it

gritty sky
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sure

tawny orchid
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it looks so unnatural

gritty sky
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but even if you are greedy as a pig what do you do with that much money lmao

tawny orchid
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not intern

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but ft

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i would rather do citsec low latency yea

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u can negotiate them up to js

slate anvil
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why would u ever go to js if u care that much ab wlb

tawny orchid
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i dont think so

gritty sky
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it's not but im just pointing out how ridiculous it is to be arguing about earning like an extra half million after you earn 700k or whatever at the cost of your health, wlb, etc. if you seriously set your value function such that it's worth it to sacrifice your wellbeing for these things, i seriously question your decision making process

tawny orchid
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because jane obviously clears like citsec post trade compliance team or wtv

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im making the assumption that if ur able to get js, then ur good enough to get a good team at other firms

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because jane offers for swe are standard across the board i thought

slate anvil
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but the reality is a higher tc always unlocks a new level

tawny orchid
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true

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i guess i just value cpp a lot more

slate anvil
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there's a scene in marginal call where this guy explains how he spends 2m tc and the breakdown actually makes sense

gritty sky
slate anvil
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nah i think like 70

gritty sky
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ah, much more reasonable

slate anvil
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i mean that was like the only extra thing ig

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the rest was like food, clothes, mortgage

tawny orchid
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ngl im fine

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with never owning

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a home

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ever

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too much work

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apartments are awesome

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if some shit breaks thats not rly my problem

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somebody else will get a guy to fix it

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and worry about paying for that

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the extra money would just sit in a bank

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as in more materialistic?

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what is the advantage of owning a home

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unless you plan on having a family

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seems inferior

slate anvil
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this is true but the best option for single person is prolly buying a condo/apartment/townhouse

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buying a single-family home would be mad goofy if ur just by urself 💀

lost shoal
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fr we in quant for that sweet wlb 🔥

covert harbor
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i think C++ suffers from lack of direction

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C++ taken strictly as a language is so much less deserving of praise than many other languages

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the main reason to use C++ is because of network effects

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OCaml on the other hand is at least a bit more elegant even down to the theory