#Meta vs snowflake

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scarlet rune
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Id prefer in states since all my past internships have been in Ontario

thin zinc
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snowflake wtf

scarlet rune
thin zinc
scarlet rune
thin zinc
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and are you prioritizing return offer for ng

scarlet rune
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Graduating 2026 may

thin zinc
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by any chance

scarlet rune
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Ro yes

thin zinc
# scarlet rune Ro yes

sorry I just dont feel good about meta in general. It just seems like a completely diff company from 3-4 years ago. Constant layoffs and one of the worse pip cultures in tech

scarlet rune
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Meta already asked for ft details including ft start dates/any ft offers/ft visa details so i was under the impression they do ro

thin zinc
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I feel like snowflake is safer and offers similar brand prestige

scarlet rune
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I see

thin zinc
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wouldn't take a risk on meta or any other company with a degrading culture. Even if you do get RO you have to deal with mandated performance terminations (which arent even performance related to begin with since they have a quota they have to reach for terminations)

scarlet rune
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Mandated performance terminations? 💀i didnt even know that was a thing

thin zinc
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like, you can be a top performer but if you're still in the bottom 20% of performers, you're gonna get terminated

scarlet rune
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thats pretty messed up

frozen spindle
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snowflake is so much aura

scarlet rune
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ah i see so im guessing its not a regular thing

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ok thats a lot less intimidating

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i see

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also does anyone know if snowflake pushes to winter from fall?

solemn canyon
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It’s cause everyone is worried a repeat of rescinds is going to happen

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Like 2021 iirc

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From people I’ve spoken to

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Given the currently political climate

scarlet rune
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some friends told me snow ro is very team dependant

solemn canyon
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In 2021?

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Ah been some time

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But that’s what I’ve been hearing

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From people

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Bro u can’t tell me that

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That’s my news source 😭

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Jk jk

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But I take everything with a grain of salt now

scarlet rune
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yea thats what i was thinking, i woulda taken snow if it was san mateo/seattle

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my team is in toronto so i doubt, snow offers are based on teams instead of location

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thanks 🙏 in an ideal world snow pushes my offer to winter

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lets see

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cad getting cooked

thin zinc
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which part is FUD and false. Meta has quota based "performance" terminations

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the stat I got was from blind tho that part idk

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but it is true that they're doing quota based performance terminations

scarlet rune
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is there anything we can do to get a good team in team matching?

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or is it entirely rng

thin zinc
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just did some digging to find the blind post for ur reference

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was 15% , so I misspoke on the 20%, thats my bad

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idk at the end of the day id just not risk joining meta and getting pipd 6 months

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plus there's a clear layoff culture

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I cant imagine wlb being good

scarlet rune
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heard zon, X are sweatshops

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tbf platforms like blind are a little biased since ppl only go there to complain

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like u never see anyone compliment a company on blind

thin zinc
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love how you disregarded the article of an engineer referencing the mandated layoff quota that managers are trying to meet and how anything short of high expectations is dangerous

thin zinc
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on blind

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of meta

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everyone is complaining of pip culture on the reviews

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compared to other reviews of other companies where complaints are related to pay, growth, etc etc

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are you on zuckerbergs payroll? Little to no big tech companies are below a 3.5. If every poor review is citing pip culture/layoff culture, then clearly it isn't something that's exxagerated.

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lmao, why would anyone believe that

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makes sense, you're just a biased meta employee

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start leetcoding now

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What does that have to do with my claim, im bringing up those factors because those factors are the reasons for lower ratings at other companies; not a layoff/pip culture which seems to dominate the culture at meta (ie, if we look at the reviews of other companies with similar stars to meta, those stars are being attributed to things separate from layoff/pip.)

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you never looked at the article tho and claimed it was a sensationalized blog without reading it

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brb

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are you denying that Meta managers are required to identify x % of their teams for the lowest performance ratings, regardless of actual performance, to meet company targets for non-regrettable attrition?

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quota figure I said earlier I wasn't confident on. But how is that not a mandated termination system? Meta's internal guidance explicitly instructs managers to place a set percentage of employees into the bottom performance categories to meet layoff targets..... https://www.businessinsider.com/meta-job-cuts-everything-we-know-2025-2

Business Insider
Meta layoffs have begun. Here's everything we know so far.

The social media giant has said it's taking a tougher stance on underperforming employees.

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When I'm looking this up this isn't what I get, lmao. Recent internal memos obtained by some media show that employees rated as "Met Some" or "Did Not Meet" are automatically placed on the termination list..... https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/meta-layoffs-employees-with-these-ratings-will-be-fired-internal-memo-reveals-2665125-2025-01-15](https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/meta-layoffs-employees-with-these-ratings-will-be-fired-internal-memo-reveals-2665125-2025-01-15)

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And from what I understand those rated "Met Most," employability depends on whether the organization has already met its attrition targets; some "Met Most" employees are also terminated to reach a required non regrettable attrition

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And from these articles, affected employees and managers are saying that some staff with previously strong performance records were abruptly downgraded and terminated, so what you're saying isn't making sense to me. It is not solely based on individual performance improvement (e.g., BE → CME), it seems to be based on meeting company-mandated quotas....

tame arrow
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@scarlet rune considering RO is a big priority, idk if snowflake is the move, RO has been pretty low recently afaik. i'd recommend asking prev interns on the native apps team to see what RO rates were like for the team

thin zinc
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  1. I already retracted the 20% citation and respectfully 2. you're delirious if you think they're not going to repeat this policy despite managers and employees coming out alike saying this seems to be a systematic policy
scarlet rune
thin zinc
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You chastised me for being too speculative about this being a systematic issue, and in the same breath your whole argument hinges on the possibility of meta keeping true to its word about this being a one off situation....which you also say you don't trust? Why don't you trust may I ask?

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Could it be the case that you don't trust it because its in fact systematic and meta is lying

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The policy is real, why would I trust a single engineer (you) against several engineers who are calling it out?

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wdym "seriously" works

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💀

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are you denying those people work at meta?

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so wdym by "seriously works"

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im not getting my info from cscd tho..

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these are business insider articles and first hand accounts from blind

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ik it is

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what relation does that have to what im saying. is this suppose to go to your point that all of these ppl are supposedly lying?

rocky lagoon
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Bro knows nothing and just yapping

thin zinc
thin zinc
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personally everything I've seen has held up, but I can understand if thats just a unique experience. Didnt mean to mislead with rhe 20% stat, thanks for calling me out on it

rocky lagoon
stark warren
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i had the chance to work at both companies here's my two cents:

  • meta was really stressful, my team (ML + ads infra) I was working from 9-9 basically (sometimes on weekends when my mentor messaged me)
  • snowflake for my fall cohort had better RO rate (around 80%) but for my summer meta cohort it was 30%
  • snowflake has better engineers and more focus on correcntess, meta culture of fail fast is actually insane, my mentor at midpoint was telling me to get 5 small PRs out everyday basically
  • vibes were immaculate at snowflake. meta was nice for the first week, but gets old quickly since you won't have time to use most of the ammeneties anyway
scarlet rune
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also does anyone know if snowflake pushes fall to winter

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is it a big org? and is team matching dependant on ur resume?

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team matching is the one thing i am very afraid of, because i have realized res value matters so much

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and it can be so rng depending on ur team

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yikes

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is fall team matching different from summer? since i know theres like 1k summer interns or something

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but fall is more catered for loo kids

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i see

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welp ig i can only pray my resume gets me a decent team

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is it multiple choice

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"rank ur prefs?"

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ic

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some of my interests + side projs are pre niche/specific but idk how far they can take me

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im actually not that interested in ml/ai 😭

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💀 yea id rather not be a part of that

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never been a big ml guy

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ro team isnt ur intern team?

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ah interesting

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how long before my start date to find out my intern team (starting date is august 25th 2025)

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i see, for intern i wasnt even offered nyc, only options were mpk and seattle

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that makes sense ig ill have to wait a bit

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better teams? or ppl just prefer the city over mpk?

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💀

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office must be filled w interns, heard they hired like 1k interns

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wtf

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5k is ridiculous

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i doubt they hired > 100 loo interns (for fall)

stark warren
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oh man...

scarlet rune
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thats pretty insane

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i see

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yea that makes sense

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i picked mpk over seattle cause the office looked nice on the "day in the life" tiktoks 💀

stark warren
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you should consider

  • long term growth
  • job security
  • team
scarlet rune
stark warren
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oh yeah MPK was crazy. but after the first week to month you stop noticing it cuz you're so busy

scarlet rune
stark warren
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they've been ramping up on RO

scarlet rune
stark warren
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which team were you?

scarlet rune
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toronto

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ic

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i see

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thats fair, also on a side note do u recommend stipend or corp housing

stark warren
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oh and dont get started on the public transportation...

scarlet rune
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yikes

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i see

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thats pretty insane

stark warren
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when i was at MPK, the closest shuttle was a 30 minute walk 💀

scarlet rune
stark warren
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from corp housing

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yeah

scarlet rune
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😬

vital glade
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One thing to consider is that this year meta stopped team matching new grads and placed them wherever they wanted. (Unless they were return interns returning to the same team). External ng and return interns who requested new teams/location won’t know their team till their first day

weak helm
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You're going to learn a lot more at Snowflake, the Meta glaze here is just unreal.

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But if states is a huge preference, can't go wrong w Meta

scarlet rune
scarlet rune
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its not a core team

misty dragon
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I come back to this server and see a 1v1 for the ages

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snowflake is also pretty intense with performance reviews? its ro is rng by team asw right

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according to blind snow does quarterly performance reviews

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idk how accurate that is but picking for wlb at either company is choosing between 2 mid options

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u dont hear as much of the bad bc theres not as many devs compared to bigger companies w pip

scarlet rune
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That makes sense, i have heard of their quartlery performance reviews

gentle veldt
humble marten
scarlet rune
# scarlet rune
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Meta or snowflake

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55

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Meta

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meta

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70-30 is a pretty crazy ratio

pseudo flame
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ye RO to Canada is gg

scarlet rune
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ig, idk how easy it is to switch teams in snow

pseudo flame
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afaik it's rlly hard to switch countries at most companies

edgy merlin
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Just go Meta

raw kraken
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@scarlet rune bruh why was there ww3 here

stray vector
pseudo flame
bleak spindle
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deleted messages 😮

mighty beacon
limpid pelican
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might be better this year but for my cohort (2024 fall) maybe like 20% got a return offer

scarlet rune
limpid pelican
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also depends on the team so you could try asking the hm if they think there will be hc for your team/org

chilly coyote
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Snowflake is the clear winner

chilly coyote