Meta summer Google fall
#thanks guys
thorny aspen
the intern tm is random
ftes and all new hires rn r getting thrown into ads tho it seems
hoary steppe
@thorny aspen is that good or bad
I think it’s good if ur Chinese
And bad if ur not Chinese
thorny aspen
<@394518043277131778> is that good or bad
idk its double edged sword
hoary steppe
Apparently meta ads is Chinese cult and whoever not Chinese is getting ripped first
thorny aspen
probs easier to show impact
at same time
easier to see if ur not showing impact
bc if u fuck up onething u lose out on impact for psc
but this doesnt mean much for intern
idt theyre throwing all the interns onto ads lol
hoary steppe
I don’t even think there’s a good meta team
thorny aspen
no theres def good teams
hoary steppe
Like what
hoary steppe
Good wlb tc and impact?
It’s either good wlb or risk of getting cucked
And*
Or bad wlb and less risk of cucked
thorny aspen
this is also like every company ever
the money makers of any company r going to be cared for more
hoary steppe
I know dev ops/ internal Tooling is easiest
hoary steppe
Bruh
Still going to hear back 8x more than ur avg joe
Cope
What an engineer values, vs public, vs recruiter are all different
If big tech value is down being a SWE value is down too as a whole
A good dev at big tech > good dev medium company
Like what
Those startups are basically big tech
There faang+ adjacent
Lmao
A smaller company isn’t that like a no name company no one has heard abt
@hollow mulch what are your career goals
Go google then
somber sequoia
GOOGLE GOOGLE GOOGLE
HOW IS THIS A QUESTION
we have all told u like 10 times
😭
ye well u also dont wanna be stuck without an RO
hoary steppe
Meta RO is high af
somber sequoia
google.
somber sequoia
Meta RO is high af
*was
somber sequoia
ur fine dw
hoary steppe
Everyone shits on meta because they’re a big company and everything they do is on a spotlight but most companies do same shit
Google has layoffs too they just do it more on downlow
floral pawn
anecdotal but when i interned at google summer last year every intern got a RO 🤷
yeah i assume so haha
yall grinders
hoary steppe
Google: more wlb? (Team dependent imo), slower promos, top down approach where management tells you what to do
Meta: less wlb, faster promos, pockets filled with too much money, bottom up approach where u get more freedom to do what you want
floral pawn
like 15ish went swe intern -> ft, and another 10ish return offer swe/step intern -> swe intern
hoary steppe
Google and meta both have the most pure resume value based on recruiters anyway
floral pawn
i was a junior last year, got ro as a senior this year for another internship
canadian co-op program so its a bit wack compared to you if you're in us
polar night
dashboard's a dashboard :/
polar night
meta does not care about renege
hoary steppe
Probably but they don’t blacklist
polar night
google is marginally better this cycle because meta overhiring
not necessarily you could be tweaking yaml files instead ok_hand
hoary steppe
Meta hardly crudbobs
floral pawn
google had pretty much the same acc
polar night
google had pretty much the same acc
oh i stand corrected
hoary steppe
Just do what you want
Go nyc it’s cooler
I promise u, u will be fine either option as soon
Soph*
😂
As long as it’s not fe who cares
Ml work is rare for both companies as intern
Especially for a soph bachelors lmao
it’s usually for masters/phd
Ur not gonna be doing anything cool in ml unless ur phd anywY
phds are the ones who are actually doing the ml ml
Masters do like fine tune small shit
floral pawn
no offence but i feel like that team might be caught in the crossfire of current politics
polar night
unless you like making dashboard then go nutty
hoary steppe
I think nyc + big name as soph ur chilling jsut have fun ur still a sophmore learning
polar night
it's v depressing
nyc clears south bay so easy
you can add a few more greater thans
hoary steppe
sunnyvale is no where near la
trust me im from cali. sf is boring as shit
nyc has 20x more things to do than la
and thats la
its nyc >> la > sf
polar night
nyc has 20x more things to do than la
i was there last summer visiting friends, they were like "wanna go to beach" and deadass drove 90 minutes to get there
i thought they were joking
you have rest of ur life to explore bay ...
if you are carphobic like i am bay sucks a 9 footer
hoary steppe
as an intern ur not going to be working 40hrs per week
polar night
everything in bay is 20min+ away
thorny aspen
flip a coin
hoary steppe
and ur last couple of weeks ur literally just playing the whole time
trust me location will matter then...
thorny aspen
weve talked ab this same debate like 10 diff times
polar night
good luck in bay
sunnyvale to sf downtown bart is 90 minutes
good fucking luck
true car rental must be 25 or else they tack on extra insurance
somber sequoia
Especially for a soph bachelors lmao
my prev let me do in depth ML work as a soph bachelor intern
somber sequoia
nyc big tech is literally peak what most cs students want
why nyc
thorny aspen
Everyone shits on meta because they’re a big company and everything they do is o...
finally someone competent
polar night
nyc air qualtiy a lot better recently thank u congestion pricing
thorny aspen
all ofthem do layoffs
somber sequoia
i made improvements on an internal information elicitation process that is now being used by 16+ teams
published an internal paper on the process too
polar night
i made improvements on an internal information elicitation process that is now b...
"internal information elicitation process" is crazy thesaurusing for data pipeline
somber sequoia
make AI do the thing its supposed to
somber sequoia
"internal information elicitation process" is crazy thesaurusing for data pipeli...
tldr: i made the AI do the thing it was supposed to with the information its not allowed to touch
mechanistic way of achieving 100% accuracy
polar night
ooh send arxiv
somber sequoia
bro did not read
polar night
oh internal
somber sequoia
tbh faang is overrated
nah
polar night
tbh faang is overrated
real problem is hoes out here not knowing what they wanna do so they let us control their career
well problem for them at least
i think it's fun
hoary steppe
i cant do palantir i dont wanna nuke ppl im too much of a nice guy
polar night
well case in point
hoary steppe
thats still morally incorrect
not killing someone but helping someone kill somebody
thats like the top 1% of cs students
most cs students go to a state school
polar night
not killing someone but helping someone kill somebody
this is not a moral scenario that should be saddled onto the individual
if you don't wanna do it fine
supply and demand will have someone else doing it
polar night
can i visit
hoary steppe
lowkey facts but figma has good wlb (supposedly) and high pay (paperstocks though)
i hate using figma ngl
this shit ass
tired dove
Dashboarding at Google
hoary steppe
nah figma is its own skill
kinda like photoshop
u can take a whole course on figma
polar night
figma took "css studio" too literally
tired dove
Figma needs to integrate genai into their shit
tired dove
You turned down Google profit maker
tired dove
Imagine Google somehow surpasses OpenAI in LLM market share
polar night
sam altman would have to start making openai say slurs
tired dove
I think what Google has right now is pretty good/competitive
But OpenAl just has the name recognition
polar night
ya but google got first mover'd badly
polar night
you don't say "lemme gemini that"
polar night
what the fuck.
that would've been worth locking yourself in south bay for iwl
docs integration orz customer impact
tired dove
How did you fumble?
tired dove
Can't you take that back
And just say due to changing circumstances
Just let them know though
polar night
sends head pat
tired dove
May be HC will open
polar night
oh my god im going to stab someone
tired dove
What the fuck
tired dove
At this point do Meta C++ and go quant
polar night
need to prep that mask earlier iwl
somber sequoia
💀
polar night
or at least clarify it with a 'what that mean'
tired dove
Deep research is pretty damn cool lol
polar night
so u can prep the Good Response
tired dove
I used GPT deep research to research and glaze a company
Lmfao
Easier for GPT to compile information than for me to spend 30 minutes going through
Deep research you get to work on RL
RL will be among the next biggest thing
Yea RL only way to move forward
SFT isn't good enough
Supervised finetuning
Yes
polar night
support fector tachine /j
polar night
prob not it's an internal product
u can orz about customer impact so hard with external features
tired dove
Ingested trillions of data points with AI observability dashboard
polar night
ate packets with internal gemini and shitposted
didnt u say it was monitoring
ya it's googly's ai platform
i mean the fact that it's c++ and python
and not c++ python ts/react
tired dove
When is meta deadline?
polar night
in this scenario it'd give customer facing dashboard
internal doesn't care if it looks pretty
pyplot is fine
u said c++ python vertex ai monitoring so i think this means internal api pipeline scraping with optional python data analysis
if u had said c++ python ts/react monitoring i maybe would've thought it was for external use
tired dove
If you save 1 million people a second with your AI dashboard
You saved Google customers 1 million seconds
polar night
sorry i didnt mean to doom this hard
only moderately
@somber sequoia can u help me undoom
polar night
@somber sequoia oh i said it was internal monitoring dashboard and didn't sound orz
somber sequoia
<@710248684805161110> oh i said it was internal monitoring dashboard and didn't ...
doesn't matter
she's a soph
the vertex name will look way better on a resume than meta
polar night
the vertex name will look way better on a resume than meta
this is jane street janitor problem though
eh
tired dove
Honestly what does she want to do?
tired dove
If you want to do AI/ML then take Vertex AI
somber sequoia
ur basically doing secretary work + the boring stuff no one else wants to do thats business related
lot of customer yap
and stakeholder bs
tired dove
Path to executive
somber sequoia
Path to executive
path to executive assistant
polar night
ur basically doing secretary work + the boring stuff no one else wants to do tha...
yeah this would make me flatline
somber sequoia
yeah this would make me flatline
thats what im sayin
just want to let yall know
we will be having this convo again
when randumber decides she is unsure
for the 14th time
tired dove
Is Sam Altman actually just a PM
polar night
when randumber decides she is unsure
yippee
tired dove
I honestly would take Vertex AI
somber sequoia
I honestly would take Vertex AI
we are all saying this
tired dove
If you don't know your project at Meta what's the point
somber sequoia
^
polar night
we are all saying this
oh i played devil's advocate
i think i underestimate vertex name
tired dove
Are you willing to take the risk that you may work on something not relevant to your future career plan?
tired dove
Like you said you want to get into AI lab PM then obviously take the most relevant
polar night
maybe i overestimate the jane street janitor problem
somber sequoia
the biggest benefit of ur soph internship is company name and how u can sell it for junior year recruiting
tired dove
Did you know becoming a janitor at Jane Street requires solving 2 LC hards in 45 minutes?
somber sequoia
the work you do will usually have minimal impact comparatively
pearl berry
real
tired dove
maybe i overestimate the jane street janitor problem
Also honestly recruiters/companies prob put a lot more weight into company's prestige than you would expect
somber sequoia
state of the art amazing AI work worthy of a neurips spotlight at like walgreens
vs
google AI team crud SWE (chatgpt wrapper project)
google wins every time
tired dove
Did you know becoming a janitor at Jane Street requires solving 2 LC hards in 45...
@polar night
tired dove
state of the art amazing AI work worthy of a neurips spotlight at like walgreens...
Yea in a true meritocratic world it may be different but recruiters honestly can't tell for shit lol
somber sequoia
Yea in a true meritocratic world it may be different but recruiters honestly can...
agreed, but recruiting is NOT meritocratic
tired dove
Yes
somber sequoia
because recruiters have no clue what they're reading half the time
polar night
ah fine
somber sequoia
but they know big fancy buzzwords and names
red marlin
@hollow mulch what specific Vertex team are you on
polar night
@somber sequoia do u know a bradley tusk by chance
somber sequoia
team dependant
somber sequoia
<@710248684805161110> do u know a bradley tusk by chance
no 😭
pearl berry
take google imo
somber sequoia
yes
pearl berry
@hollow mulch also I sent dm
somber sequoia
if you can bend your project direction a bit you can make a BANGER project
like an insanely good project
if you do the mechanism right
polar night
how much say do u have over extension goals
tired dove
if you can bend your project direction a bit you can make a BANGER project
You can also just larp
somber sequoia
what's the general "objective" here
tired dove
Don't do this
somber sequoia
You can also just larp
no
somber sequoia
im fine with a lil leaving out information tactically but never larping
tired dove
im fine with a lil leaving out information tactically but never larping
Is there an actual reason or are you against it purely because it's unethical
somber sequoia
Is there an actual reason or are you against it purely because it's unethical
unethical
tired dove
I respect that
somber sequoia
this is a super good project wdym?
polar night
you should have posted this first
somber sequoia
^
polar night
this is not internal monitoring dashboard this is vertex ai X aws cloudwatch
somber sequoia
^^^^
bruh
a monitoring dashboard is like
we were thinking
u were gonna do like
a python webapp
where u intercep data streams
and make pretty plots
tired dove
Monitoring pipeline issue and shit
somber sequoia
this is very very different
somber sequoia
this is full on pipeline health debugging 😭
tired dove
You're doing infra
somber sequoia
💀
red marlin
That project doesn't look like dashboarding at all
tired dove
customers can write own code, whether in langchain, and we handle the deployment for them, integrates w/ vertex
gemini api endpoint with our infra
Does this not sound like infra
somber sequoia
infra dev
tired dove
AI infra is fire
polar night
this is greenfield infra dev
tired dove
What the fuck man
polar night
what the fuck.
tired dove
Post the description next time
Infra that has to do with AI
Still way better than AI dashboard
somber sequoia
this is AI infra
polar night
this is AI infra
somber sequoia
and it is an amazing project
polar night
and it is an amazing project
somber sequoia
i like tacos
polar night
i don't do that one sorry
somber sequoia
godammit
polar night
i like the chinese og ones
somber sequoia
i like the chinese og ones
i like a good steak taco
somber sequoia
this is like 1 step away from a bao bun
somber sequoia
@hollow mulch are we going to have this conversation again 😭
tired dove
Honestly you may have struck gold by turning down the AI google docs integration shit
polar night
oil is flavor 😤
tired dove
AI infra is fire as fuck
polar night
@hollow mulch go renege meta before i whoop your ass
(respectfully)
yes
long shot
somber sequoia
tired dove
Okay that's infra
polar night
https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-squidward-eye-twitch-twitching-gif-...
systolic blood pressure rapidly dropping
polar night
i make one call to cdn and suddenly im a massively distributed fullstack application
orz...
tired dove
This is like some AI infra devops work
Still better than making dashboards or API calls
somber sequoia
polar night
i swear to god im going to smack you into your next reincarnation
tired dove
Blud just ignored the infra part
somber sequoia
allergic to good projects 😭
red marlin
Suffering from success
polar night
https://tenor.com/view/banging-head-bang-gif-12070477
set up everything needed to monitor big ass call stack and make it look pretty
(From Scratch Trade Mark)
somber sequoia
This project focuses on building an enterprise-grade agent platform for tech companies to deploy their custom agents into the Vertex platform. The idea is to let customers write and deploy their own agent code—using frameworks like LangChain, for instance—while the underlying infrastructure handles deployment and integration.
Key aspects include:
-
Deployment and Integration:
- Customers can integrate their custom agents with the Vertex platform through a dedicated Gemini API endpoint.
- The system automates the deployment of user-written code, ensuring seamless integration with Google Cloud services.
-
Tech Stack and Infrastructure:
- A primary C++ server acts as the main gateway for handling user API requests.
- The backend supports and hosts user agent code, with components mainly written in C++ and Python.
- The deployment leverages Google Cloud's Cloud Run, among other cloud offerings, to manage containerized workloads.
-
Monitoring and Debugging:
- A significant part of the project is setting up a robust monitoring system. This visual dashboard will allow engineers to inspect different components across the serving stack—from user containers and the universal Google proxy to the C++ servers.
- The system aims to quickly identify bottlenecks and debug issues, ensuring high reliability in production environments.
-
Exposure to Diverse Technologies:
- Interns working on this project will gain hands-on experience with production serving infrastructure and a variety of technologies.
- The role involves touching multiple components of the tech stack, offering a comprehensive look into API management, containerization, cloud services, and performance monitoring.
polar night
im going to kill myself
somber sequoia
hope this helps
tired dove
What is the work?
somber sequoia
can we please not do this rn we're so close to getting her to pick something and stick with it 😭
somber sequoia
if he said it was python dashboard plotly dev i was gonna actually crashout
tired dove
Lmfao real as fuck
polar night
for he saved randumber from sin (frontend)
polar night
it's ok this is the part of the anime where the old mentor dies before giving the vital detail
tired dove
Anyway it's clearly good correct
somber sequoia
@red marlin should she take it or nah
polar night
i could be doing homework rn... orz
somber sequoia
we gonna have this convo again in about 1 week
just so yall know
he said it's an "obvious choice"
polar night
i dont see why not
as long as u dont smell and do ur own laundry
oh maybe they have a maid then
polar night
in the bay area?
are these too expensive
no not live-in maid just one that comes wkly/biwkly to scrub your ass and do the laundry etc
somber sequoia
no not live-in maid just one that comes wkly/biwkly to scrub your ass and do the...
thats decently affordable but hard to find good ones
polar night
thats decently affordable but hard to find good ones
i'd prob want one at some point
apartment scrub monthly laundry weekly
kinda far
other side of san jose
it's like 20 min car from dem cats
tired dove
gatos
tired dove
Lmfao
polar night
then you get a shack in bumfuck paying $1800 / mo for rats
polar night
oh this is good strat
i did that last summer in seattle
to be fair seattle u district has so many fobs
chat what dat mean sob
tired dove
American Born Chinese
somber sequoia
oh
somber sequoia
LOL
polar night
it's beyond burnt it's fully oxidized
anyway yeah google
i need to delete this incriminating evidence
tired dove
What incriminating evidence?
polar night
of me being a little mean and unblobby
i am perfectly blobby
no wrinkles in my brain
somber sequoia
smooth brain gang
pseudo dune
tired dove
Eh
Need good upbringing as well tbh. It's much harder to get far in life with only intelligence and hard work
polar night
motivated environment
good upbringing can create motivated environment
other things can too
tired dove
Yea agree
strange saddle
It’s random
rare oriole
bro what r u on every ml project for an intern is mostly ML infra work
jagged willow
still sorrel
Meta summer Google fall
Do u have an idea of how pushing to fall works? I am considering that
tawdry light
Do u have an idea of how pushing to fall works? I am considering that
do u alr have match?
heavy plover
flat mason
also now that Llama and meta ai are a huge thing i think theyll have more teams open for interns in those areas that just didnt exist for prev interns
thorny aspen
I mean the intern count this yr is just 2k across all roles
this is a normal year for meta aside from 22 anomaly
there's overrep in cscd so it seems like they're putting up zon numbers
Google ro I've heard is in the 60-70s meta is probably the same but it's more on u to perform/do more and get a higher rating
flat mason
why dont u just accept both and reneg the worse team
unless u care about going to the other company next summer or for ng it doesnt matter
thorny aspen
yea just take Google then next year reachout to ur meta recruiter and try again
need to pass interview again but at least it's likely ull get a shot
Google is all third partied and idk how they handle renegs way more rng to get process again next year unless someone can fact check me
not necessarily if they don't like the goog team and for whatever reason want to go to meta there's at least a clear way back
if u take meta now the odds of getting the goog process again is like significantly harder bc aren't all their recruiters just third partied
yea sure u could
but we dk op goals
even if she took meta it's the same thing
nvm I think she took google
finally
tired dove
why dont u just accept both and reneg the worse team
I don't think reneging either meta or google is a good idea
There's not much perceived benefit and you're potentially burning a bridge
Either way she already accepted Google lol not too much debating
limpid lark
ads is trash culture
tired dove
Profit maker though
tawdry light
bro has been advised by the entire cscd council more times than i can count
odd trellis
Generally not good practice to reneg
It is a bit late now
I personally wouldn’t feel too comfortable working with someone who I tried to push to fall
polar night
meta does not give a fuck ...
odd trellis
It feels a little awkward working with someone who I repeatedly tried to push
I personally wouldn’t
still sorrel
do u alr have match?
Not yet, I have two matching calls next week. I am not sure if I am supposed to tell the recruiter or wait for a match though
odd trellis
If you are interested in ro after the internship, I feel it might negatively affect first impressions.
First impressions are v important, and are quite difficult to change due to the way human psychology works.
At the end of the day, it comes down to your manager/host's impression of you.
Not saying it definitely will, but I wouldn't be inclined to take the risk.
Especially since you already have meta, which is arguably on par with google for resume val
Most meta teams I heard are pretty good for resume.
You get a team matching survey, and you indicate your interests on there.
odd trellis
You get a team matching survey, and you indicate your interests on there.
most people do get matched to a team that aligns with their interests and skill set
tawdry light
i think u should decide like this: https://g.co/kgs/1nLSVhk
odd trellis
You get a team matching survey, and you indicate your interests on there.
honestly, I would be more concerned with choosing a team that strongly aligns with your skill set
might be easier to get ro this way
odd trellis
meta team matching is not entirely rng
depends on what you put on the survey they send out
odd trellis
not really
I know over 10 people who interned at meta last year.
All of them were very happy with their team placement.
thorny aspen
i think u should decide like this: https://g.co/kgs/1nLSVhk
FACTS
ur meta team literally does not matter at all
after 1 year switch
I'm sure swapping around in Google for fte is not very hard either
odd trellis
u go to another team after interning
exactly
thorny aspen
if ur optimizing for res value just flip a coin
ur manager on tm call is supposed to sell u in a way of what work ur gonna do
even if it's dashboarding they aren't gonna outright say it they're gonna make it sound cool
just wait for both teams to be final and reneg; i doubt meta would care if u neg now, post tm tho maybe they would but I honestly don't know
polar night
@hollow mulch i swear to god if you don't take google im gonna take the earliest plane to [redacted] and show up at your door
tired geyser
is there a mtia team match strat aside from icpc or 💀
mellow lily
i know if you renege google, they mark it somewhere. not sure if thats the case for meta.
woven basalt
tbf I was on a compilers project when I interned
thorny aspen
but u can choose not to enter the accelerated TM into ads tho right?
just based on what I'm reading in the tm discord
but ya it does seem like hella externals getting thrown into ads and the others that get tm for diff orgs don't get picked over the internal ones also trying to move
odd trellis
flip a coin
heads for meta, tails for google
peak orbit
i doubt it + u can re-recruit with goog on resume ...
both will open doors, google proj sounds cooler
nyc better loc but u said it doesnt matter to u
peak orbit
yeah he'll prob forget in 3 weeks from now
and def in 20 or smth weeks from now when u finish
rare oriole
at the company i curr work at, the tech lead legit forgot what i told him the day before and this was about an imp project
i promise ur not important at all to them
and he legit probably forgot about it cuz he has more shit to worry about things related to his job than an incoming intern coming in 3-4 months
odd trellis
If anything, I think ro chance will stay the same
Many senior/staff engineers were affected by layoffs, and the plan is to hire more e3/new grad
thorny aspen
^
this layoff is nothing new to what they usually do with the pip attrition
they just gave ppl the boot instead of no pip
this not 22 hiring of 5K+ interns
hollow mulch
thanks guys
pearl temple
@hollow mulch what G team did u TM with
polar night
bro is functionally illiterate
pearl temple
I’m too lazy to read lb