#!process microsoft offer (return, also
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empty oxide
did you try negotiating
if you play it right you could get an uplevel and have them beat bb
don't think bb negotiates?
ah
honestly
negotiate bb first
then negotiate microsoft with higher bb
you can only negotiate once for msft
but you can get like max 250k y1/y2
u need extra approvals but the highest u can get is like
120 base for redmond 130 for bay + 100k bonus over two years + 175k stock?
outlook has people in nyc ^
empty oxide
120 base for redmond 130 for bay + 100k bonus over two years + 175k stock?
this amt is higher for l60
or 61
there's like three
dim nimbus
120 base for redmond 130 for bay + 100k bonus over two years + 175k stock?
this high for L60 i doubt and esp in this market.
empty oxide
this high for L60 i doubt and esp in this market.
l60 is 132 base for redmond and higher for svc
dim nimbus
Mine was L60 :
133.5k nyc base
140k stocks
50k bonus
dim nimbus
no i mean 100k signon offer
empty oxide
yeah you need cvp approval
dim nimbus
idk never saw that someone getting at l60
empty oxide
which is fully up to your manager
i have the internal levels/pay guidelines lol
its possible just very rare
empty oxide
even in this market ?
who knows
i think a large part is interview performance
or intern performance
dim nimbus
intern maybe i got new grad in 2021
real jolt
Bb gaps Microsoft
empty oxide
intern maybe i got new grad in 2021
133k was the default nyc salary this year for 59 lol
what did you take over it
empty oxide
microsoft is rest and vest central
why would you want to work more and get paid the same pay
msft has better promo velocity than bb since bb doesn't have levels lol
real jolt
why would you want to work more and get paid the same pay
some of us dont like hand outs.
empty oxide
some of us dont like hand outs.
go work at an early stage startup then
why look at bb
empty oxide
if you’re going to take an unsized risk and work more, make it worthwhile
make it either worth the potential return (startups) or velocity but don’t sacrifice both for “better work” and more hours 💀
empty oxide
???
have you ever heard work smart not hard
you’re working stupid by doing that, it doesn’t take 8 hours a day strictly to become a better engineer
it takes milestones, experience across the stack, moving fast, etc
if you can get done in 30 hours what others can do in 60 does that mean you’re not doing enough work?
you also just completely missed my last comment lol
empty oxide
this is such a hot take
this is not a take that will get you promoted into management and it will get you burnt out
if you’re working smart and doing 60 hours a week of work you’re going to exceed expectations
there are ways to work efficiently, chill, and be on a high velocity track and it doesn’t seem to you that that exists
if you’re going to work 60 hours a week you might as well get the agency to take ownership of your work at an early stage startup
empty oxide
what
your argument is completely off topic and not related lmao
i said it's in your best interest to work efficiently which means doing your work quickly and well lmao
empty oxide
where do you get that
you can exceed expectations by pre-planning what you need to exceed and build that into how you think about your work?
on long projects exceeding expectations isn't rocket science or hard to pre-plan
empty oxide
I was joking
I know lmfao