#Résumés FAQ

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timid pivot
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Thank you pbjpie-sama. Now we can all get into Amazon

torn delta
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Thx

bronze veldt
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This ATS myth has been debunked many times

vapid verge
bronze veldt
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Recruiters screen resumes, not ATS (they’ve been stressing this for a while)

vapid verge
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I agree that recruiters screen resumes, but there is no way Google recruiters look at every application for SWE intern

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There has to be some bot that does an intial screening, right?

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At some point there are too many apps for a few university recruiters to go through

bronze veldt
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Initial screening for things like auto rejection will be based on factors such as grad date, need for sponsorship etc., but that’s about it. ATS is so bad as it is, there’s zero chance big companies rely on it for candidate screening

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You most definitely don’t have to make a resume “ATS friendly” to get responses

sonic compass
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So for example I know Costco uses ATS to rank your resume into a queue, I saw a demonstration of it. They review the resumes by hand after, but if you're dead last what do you think your chances are?

sonic compass
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it was semi-rhetorical dogesmile , but yeah

strong parcel
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Resume parsers are different than ATSs WazowskiStare

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Ats is pretty much a tool to manage candidates pipelines and resumes

calm skiff
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Guy's I'm attaching the LaTeX code of this Resume:-

opaque tapir
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where should I put links of projects on github?

timid pivot
opaque tapir
timid pivot
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Yeah, but I would specify "Github Link" so they know it's a link

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and maybe underline it to make it clearer that it's a link

opaque tapir
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for sure thank you thank you

limpid flame
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I feel like arguing about ATS for resumes in hiring is arguing over semantics

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even if companies don't use ATS

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i think recruiters look at resumes similarly

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looking to check off a lot of boxes

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you want a good readable resume that checks off a lot of those boxes

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more than the competition

glossy yacht
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Does ATS parse LaTeX resume successfully? I've heard they aren't able to.

grizzled pendant
turbid vine
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Maybe I should just do it with latex?

tranquil wing
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Should I add a separate section in my resume for academic projects or just add my academic projects under projects

desert fiber
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There is no such thing as ATS bots rejecting your resume. Every resume is reviewed by a human. I work at an ATS company so I feel like I'm a credible source for this. ATS is just a system where you keep track of the candidate's application and where they are in the job pipeline. Here's an article as well - https://www.jobsync.com/post/how-to-beat-the-ats-hint-you-can-t

JobSync
How to Beat the ATS: Hint, You Can’t

There are a lot of myths out there about applicant tracking systems, their impenetratable AI and recruiters. I see it all the time. “Optimize your resume to be ATS compliant to get seen by a human.” “Beat the ATS.” “Use keywords to get your resume in front of a recruiter.” I’ll be honest, a few years ago I was guilty of paying someone to write m...

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This resume template is very good though!

grizzled pendant
grizzled pendant
turbid vine
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But for now i think LaTeX is enough and i wont use word yet

tender cargo
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@grizzled pendant

grizzled pendant
tender cargo
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i mean while applying

grizzled pendant
tender cargo
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also i feel this is more readable than that Latex one , and idk which parses better . that's still an arguement

grizzled pendant
timid pivot
warm sierra
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What matters is the template

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Using a LaTeX resume doesn't magically guarantee your resume parses

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The reason I (and a lot of others) recommend Jakes resume is because it is proven to parse on ATS ' that top tech companies actually use

grizzled pendant
# warm sierra What matters is the template

Agreed, I used the inspiration from Jakes resume to get the format, key resume sections and 'look and feel' - actual implementation was just in Word. To the ATS, it doesn't matter what you use. Usability, and speed to churn out multiple variations, I find just working in a Word doc way faster.

warm sierra
grizzled pendant
warm sierra
grizzled pendant
tranquil wing
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should i include a high school project on my resume just to show that i've worked with c++
it's just a basic theatre ticket booking system

marsh atlas
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prob not

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replace it with something recent, but still keep the c++ on technical skills section. You can talk about the tick booking system if they ask you in the interview what c++ experience you have

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(don't bring up the fact that its from highschool)

snow cloak
plush phoenix
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A lot of these templates are US-based. Do the same type of requirements, especially when it comes to aesthetics apply to the UK/Western European market? I'm a bit torn between putting more of a design spin on it or it or going with the plain US-based template. I'm from Eastern Europe and the standards here are very so in favor for unique-looking resumes. But I don't know if this is common in Europe overall or just here.

timid pivot
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however, all of my knowledge on this topic is curated solely from CONUS

plush phoenix
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I see

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Thank you for the info! 👌✨

royal maple
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u can add more theres whitespace still

royal maple
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oops lol my bad

timid pivot
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😹

pliant ruin
warm sierra
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Also, an ATS may not auto-reject but it can sort/filter. Which can result in your resume never being seen (as the role may be filled before).

pliant ruin
warm sierra
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Regardless they can still sort and filter based off the information they parse from your resume

pliant ruin
warm sierra
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Because if they for example first view all ppl who have a previous internship

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And fill the role

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They'll just close the position and nvr view it

pliant ruin
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Ah true true

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It’s a game of timing and some luck I believe

warm sierra
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Yup

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Alongside having a good resume + exp

pliant ruin
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Btw suppose I have like 6 interns/RAs to list on my experience section, would I then need a projects section? I’m a new grad btw.

pliant ruin
olive meadow
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I was told by Intel Hiring Manager he doesn’t see resumes until after the bot reads resumes, recruiting reads less resumes, and then he only skims it.

gentle marsh
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sick man my friend transferred to usc from southwestern

gentle marsh
soft pond
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can i save this template

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if so how do i do that

sharp lodge
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look up "Jake's Resume"

sharp lodge
random wharf
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I am a full stack dev doing an internship as a Junior soft dev. My job is a little bit more front end focused. Company uses highcharts for chart analysis. And I’m working with the library to build dynamic annotations. Can y’all throw suggestions on how to add this to my resume? Or give me an idea or what things to add bout my experience. TIA

desert musk
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.

sharp lodge
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gloomy geyser
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common pbjpie W

sharp lodge
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3 x 5 LC hards to failure
3 x 8 LC meds to failure
1 superset of systems design and ood

eternal merlin
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Guys

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How good is Jake's template?

warm sierra
ionic tiger
timid pivot
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guys im looking for a resume remplate that will give me the best shot, which template should i be using?

warm sierra
timid pivot
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@last lark

last lark
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@timid pivot

fringe crystal
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What can I do, if I haven't gotten any relevant experience in SWE yet and I wish to apply for an internship

austere tree
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I would focus on projects (comprehensive ones)

fringe crystal
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Kindly give me a project topic to quickly work on. I don't wish to make my resume scanty

austere tree
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A job search app might be a good place to start (Android or iOS)

vapid bloom
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Yall should I be applying to internships that say they want June 2025 grads as a June 2026 grad? Wondering if they'll even consider me

last lark
vapid bloom
last lark
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even though i don't like "faking" grad date myself way too many companies are hardlining on grad dates

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and knowing that u can lose quite a bit of responses due to having the "wrong" grad date is saying something

lilac hill
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So Im using Jakes's resume and I wanna add a place for Relevant coursework and club involvement

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Should I make entire sections for both or put it under where my school is listed

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in education

last lark
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put it under school in education

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that's what i did and i think it's working fine

lilac hill
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Did you bold "Relevant Coursework:" and then start listing them on the same line?

last lark
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idt if u bold them or not matters but do what u think looks good

lilac hill
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Ok ty

last lark
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this is how i put it lol

lilac hill
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I like that

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Hard part is doing this with latex

last lark
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ye latex quite literally fights with u sometimes

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but u reap the benefit of passing ats

lilac hill
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atp i should put my resume as a project

last lark
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fr lol

timid pivot
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This thread was started by me

timid pivot
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yes

timid pivot
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Netflix

dense oar
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There's a good chance your resume sucks
Can you check my résumé?

last lark
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pbjpie

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@dense oar what's ur net worth

dense oar
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Six figures

barren crater
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Do you guys think a resume summary is necessary or not?

warm sierra
timid pivot
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if experience is lacking, should projects go above experience?

warm sierra
timid pivot
outer plover
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Can we have a separate secrtion for AWS certifications

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??

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How to mention AWS CCP amd SAA certifications?

warm sierra
timid pivot
true ginkgo
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Fol

scarlet leaf
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Q: do I have to invite people to a post for them to review my resume? I created a new post a few days ago but haven’t received a response.

fresh bramble
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General CV Tips:

  1. Use the STAR framework (or similar) to formulate a project/experience
    • Situation – the situation you had to deal with
    • Task – the task you were given to do
    • Action – the action you took
    • Results – what happened as a result of your action and what you learned from the experience (this is key!). It can be helpful to include some metrics if applicable, but don't take too much sole credit for things you did as part of a team. Remember, highlighting your ability to work in a team is a benefit not a drawback.
  2. Personally I think it's helpful to include a 'Personal Profile' section right at the top of your CV. This should be a sentence which states where you are in your career, and what you are looking for. The idea is to save time for the recruiters.
  3. Make sure that everything you put on your CV has a purpose. Every single word should be there for a reason. Really sit there and think about why you are writing certain things. Are you just finishing the sentence on auto-pilot, or are you writing with purpose? Remove the fluff/waffle. You are trying to sell a product (you!).
  4. Make sure that everything you put on your CV is maximising its potential. If you list a job that is not related to CS, you can still get value out of it e.g., by demonstrating your people skills, ability to work as part of a team or ability to follow instructions. Were you a TA? Great - make use of it! Stop being vague!
  5. Try and actually make your CV interesting. This can be a somewhat difficult one to get right. But just imagine yourself in the recruiter's position, reading mindnumbingly boring descriptions of React.js calculator projects. You don't necessarily need exceedingly impressive projects, you just need to be able to convey them well. This is strongly related to the STAR framework.
  6. It's key to achieve and maintain flow throughout your CV. Make sure your bullet points are cohesive, and aren't just written in isolation from each other.
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  1. Don't bloat your technical skills section. You don't need to write 'MySQL, MariaDB, Postgres, SQL'. Also remove skills you are not competent with. If you aren't comfortable being quizzed by an engineer on the skill, then remove it. If you divide it into subsections, ensure they actually make sense and are visually distinguishable.
  2. Don't just list all the courses you took under your Education section. We know you probably did 'Software Engineering' and 'Object-Oriented Programming'. You can include courses that are unique and/or very interesting to you, but ideally add some extra detail (particularly if they are relevant to the role). This can be a good place to briefly describe some coursework you did, particularly in order to highlight your ability to work as part of a group.
  3. It's helpful to include dates wherever possible (e.g., for experience, projects, etc.,)
  4. If English isn't your first language and/or you struggle with grammar, have a friend look through your CV for you.
  5. You probably don't need it to be any longer than a single page.
  6. If your CV looks empty, your margins are probably too big and/or your sentences are consistently not reaching the end of the line.
  7. Include links to the GitHub repo (and live site if applicable). Many recruiters won't pay attention to these, but it's far better than just providing a generic GitHub link at the top of your CV.
  8. Ensure your terminology is consistent, e.g., React vs react.js.
  9. If you are using unfamiliar acronyms, it's a good idea to write out the full version (i.e., 'Point of Sale (PoS)') once and then just refer to it by the acronym (i.e., 'PoS') thereafter.
  10. Don't use low-contrast text (e.g., very light grey to show the technologies used for a project).
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  1. Don't include things that are obvious. We don't need to know that you can use VSCode, and that you are competent at 'Critical Thinking'. Avoid cliches. Saying you're 'detail-oriented' is not very helpful.
  2. Read through your CV from the perspective of a recruiter with limited technical knowledge. Then read through it from the perspective of a technical manager. Try and appeal to both of these groups in some way.
  3. Try and tailor your CV to the job you are applying for where possible. This may be as simple as re-ordering projects, or you might need to make more drastic changes.
  4. Include a cover letter where applicable. This should expand upon your CV and give additional context. The key thing is bridging the gap between your CV and the job you are applying for, thus demonstrating your compatibility with the role.
  5. Don't go overboard when trying to satisfy Applicant Tracking Systems (ATS).
  6. If you're using ChatGPT to write your CV, please go back and remove strange words that no human would ever use (e.g., 'Orchestrated').
  7. Avoid personal pronouns ('I', 'me', 'my' etc.,)
    24. Read these tips again. You may think you have implemented them all, but I guarantee you have not.
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@warm sierra

crude cape
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should i include my current job on my resume when applying for internships? i’ve done sales for verizon for like 2 years and don’t have any other experience besides my projects and university.

austere tree
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If your resume is not filling up the entire page, I would include it as a filler. However, once you have a good project/experience that you can add, remove it.

crude cape
warm sierra
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I disagree with like half of these points

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@frigid hornet @north jewel @short crystal

frigid hornet
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Which #s ? CATMONCH

halcyon ember
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I can't seem to find in the history of the server an example of how people list returning internships on their resume. I'd rather not list the position for two spots on my Experience section. Any opinions?

warm sierra
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It parses better

warm sierra
# frigid hornet Which #s ? <a:CATMONCH:1069080835975815178>
  • 2
  • 6 (I think this bullet doesn't really mean anything)
  • 7 (i slightly agree with this one, but if you're rusty at a piece of tech that's fine in my exp)
  • 8 (This is bad advice. Listing courses helps ATS performance)
  • 9 (While true for experience, not necessary for projects)
  • 12 (Imo you should always keep margins standard)
  • 13 (Not necessary)
  • 14 (Imo using inconsistent naming can benefit ATS)
  • 19 (horrible advice imo. While a nice thing to consider, if you're applying for 100s of jobs it's not feasible)
  • 20 (horrible advice. Never do this unless it's a smaller company you can write a really solid cover letter for)
  • 21 (This doesn't really mean anything. Also optimizing for ATS has value)
  • 22 (Orchestrated is a normal word to use lol)
  • 24 (Seems lowk pretentious)
frigid hornet
warm sierra
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Avoid pronouns

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Don't use I

fresh bramble
fresh bramble
# warm sierra - 2 - 6 (I think this bullet doesn't really mean anything) - 7 (i slightly agree...

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you didn't give a reason here. but anyway it's pretty confusing for recruiters when you have 2023 grads and 2027 grads. pretty easy to miss when someone is looking for an internship, grad role, etc., anyway i'm sure you are aware that at worst this is harmless advice and at best it will help them out
6 (I think this bullet doesn't really mean anything)
i disagree. it means that people are writing bullet points that don't follow on from one another. the amount of CVs where bullet points contradict each other or simply don't relate to the last one is kinda astonishing. they should be connected in some way when they're all under the same project title
7 (i slightly agree with this one, but if you're rusty at a piece of tech that's fine in my exp)
you won't believe how many technologies and languages new grads or first years college students are listing on their CVs... this is valid advice

fresh bramble
# warm sierra - 2 - 6 (I think this bullet doesn't really mean anything) - 7 (i slightly agree...

8 (This is bad advice. Listing courses helps ATS performance)
the theme of your replies is missing any and all nuance in my points. e.g., "Don't just list all the courses you took under your Education section". you really think it's helpful for people to list that they took a "Computer Science" unit lmao
9 (While true for experience, not necessary for projects)
it is a good idea and something many people have mentioned to me as they like to have an overview of what you have done when you reach the interview

fresh bramble
# warm sierra Yeah, that's what I do

12 (Imo you should always keep margins standard)
my point is that many people don't keep their margins standard.... hence why their margins are too large lol
13 (Not necessary)
why are you even mentioning this lmao? as i said many people won't pay attention to this, but one of my interviewers was flicking through my repo during the interview and i know it's common
14 (Imo using inconsistent naming can benefit ATS)
i'm impressed you're still responding to my points, but okay i will address this too... having shit grammar is much worse than the slim chance of an ATS differentiating between React.js and react
19 (horrible advice imo. While a nice thing to consider, if you're applying for 100s of jobs it's not feasible)
sorry but did you actually read the bullet point? "Try and tailor your CV to the job you are applying for where possible"

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20 (horrible advice. Never do this unless it's a smaller company you can write a really solid cover letter for)
what? cover letters are standard. pls stop

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21 (This doesn't really mean anything. Also optimizing for ATS has value)
optimising != going overboard

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22 (Orchestrated is a normal word to use lol)
the amount of CVs ive read that are so clearly written by chatGPT is kinda funny

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24 (Seems lowk pretentious)
oh the irony 😭

warm sierra
fresh bramble
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okay 1/24 you disagree with. fair enough!

warm sierra
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But tbh you're right that I was abit dismissive about a few of your points

fresh bramble
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i thoroughly challenge you to justify a single one after my responses 👍

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and i'd delete your message if i were you since it's just BS

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or edit it

warm sierra
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I still overall disagree with 2, 6, 7, 9, 13, 14, 19, 20

fresh bramble
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i'd love to hear why ♥️

tacit wraith
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bro left the server

austere tree
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That long thread of “advice” was so unnecessary and was frankly trash - 24 bullets of useless info 😂😂

last lark
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just have a resume submit it to 200 places boom offer dogesmile

woven karma
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So I graduated in May and Im currently rewriting my resume. Would you guys keep clubs on your resume?

woven karma
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its a video game development club for students to go make games and show off their creations, they would give tips and stuff you could do to optimize code, along with tutorials for different studios and tools. I was just a regular member

thin gazelle
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how should i put certificates. i did the machine learning specialization one. can i say something like "Machine learning specialization certificate - andrew ng - stanford university/deeplearning.ai" under education

last lark
wraith briar
full sphinx
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Is the jake's resume template outdated now? Should I just change to ms word templates? Any recommendations for word?

warm sierra
broken arch
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would something like discover citadel be useful to put for non quant swe roles

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asking bc lack of space 😦

thin gazelle
true nimbus
vapid bloom
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I have an upcoming internship next week but I'm actively applying to internships. How can I put the position on my resume? (ex. Incoming Software Developer Intern?) or should I even be putting it on there at all?

manic river
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Thank you pbjpie. I love you. ❤️

cold wedge
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I am confused. are pdfs that I get from Overleaf for Jake’s resume good to apply with or do I have to do something else?

last lark
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Thank you pbjpie. I love you. ❤️

hot hatch
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overleaf

turbid vine
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Hey do I put experience first if I didnt graduate yet?

austere tree
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No, Education should be first

rain blaze
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Should i list my GPA as 3.XX/4.0 or just 3.XX, which is more friendly for the ATS?

austere tree
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Just say 3.XX, the norm is out of 4.0 anyways

woven karma
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For anyone here lookin to boost their resume, i recommend following the tips posted in this chat and its threads

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I went to a resume feedback workshop with recruiters today and they gave good reviews with minor changes

plucky elm
rain blaze
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If my last semester of school is Fall 2024, do I list my graduation semester as Fall 2024 or Spring 2025 on my job apps for summer 2024 internships?

plush night
warm sierra
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It wouldn't get you fired, but I di agree that it's a mostly useless metric

signal fox
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switch "contributed 50,000 lines of code" to "Improved [product] by X % (Start metric -> End metric) by implementing [feature] which improved customer experience [use cases]"

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when I hear "contributed 50,000 lines of code", I hear "contributed 50,000 bugs to the code"

unreal rapids
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since i’m a freshmen, my gpa won’t be calculated until the first semester ends

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so what should i put on applications that require gpa?

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if i put N/A or 0.00 it would probably be screened out immediately

sharp lodge
signal fox
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In June of this month I cleaned up ~11,000 lins of code and removed one level of indirection which improved latency. LOC is a meaningless metric

vapid bloom
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Should I abbreviate CMS on my resume? Applying to SWE intern positions

warm sierra
vapid bloom
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Thanks, I've heard mixed advice but I think this is the way to go

warm sierra
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@hard nacelle make a separate post

terse falcon
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is it better to include coursework

austere tree
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If you need to fill space, sure. Otherwise, use the additional space for relevant exp/projects

zinc sail
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what companies like resumes that says "i'm versatile and adaptable" i have experience but in different domain

gloomy night
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i feel like my most recent resume experience is important because it's a proper job for a real company as opposed to a personal or club project

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however it was a teaching role, not a dev role, so should i leave it off software engineer applications

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looking for internships btw

sharp lodge
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either way, still goes on top TA roles are eye-candy for recruiters

gloomy night
gloomy night
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i taught at a tech summer camp over the summer

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I'm also a TA during the school year

limber ferry
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then put it

gloomy night
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not professional

limber ferry
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wait ur u of a student

gloomy night
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yes

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we have literally met in person lmao

limber ferry
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oh

gloomy night
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my teaching and TA jobs are the only ones i have with an actual company

limber ferry
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yeah i meant no work exp

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put ta for sure

zinc sail
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should i put availability date on resume if they are not standard ? (february to july, 6 months)

gloomy night
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should i list projects and experience separately?

warm sierra
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Or if the projects were done in a professional capacity, I guess that's justifiable

warm sierra
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If you are, then don't put that and just apply for internships within that range

zinc sail
# warm sierra Are you applying for internships?

yes applying for internships.

the problem is that there is only few that include these specific dates when searching on linkedin and glassdoor. unless i search incorrectly most of the time recruiters stays general they only have spring or winter in their title and nothing in their description

warm sierra
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Just find anything that can start im Feb