2023_summer

[merry verge]

hm

[low vale]

i feel really bad

got bodied by dp

[safe minnow]

[jaunty cove]

damn

was it a tough one

[frigid gate]

anyone have Amz SDE intern interview today ?

[naive kayak]

amzn?

[hardy patrol]

managed to figure out the prefix/postfix sol but apparently you dont even need two lists to solve it

[slate wasp]

yeah u don't

[hardy patrol]

three technically

[slate wasp]

you only really need an output array I think

Leetcode is inconsistent with that

but yeah I don't think they count it in that case

but I recall a few other instances where they count the output array

[slow veldt]

if the output array is a modification of the input array then i think they consider it O(1)

[jaunty cove]

yea

thats what the solution tlks about too

its cheesy

[sinful locust]

it should be counted

if youre returning whatever the problem gave you its no extra space given no other extra space in the conventional sense

but if youre explicitly making an array to store stuff it should be space

[jaunty cove]

at lesat in an interview you get to discuss this

[sinful locust]

and in an oa it doesnt matter

so no biggie

[slate wasp]

I've like never hit a memory limit exceeded in an OA

[jaunty cove]

i think the only way you can do it is with a bad recursive function

[slate wasp]

Yeah that one is cool

[jaunty cove]

that problem is kind of insane

[slate wasp]

One thing i always ask in interviews is

"can i modify the input?"

I think it's usually a good thing to ask that

[jaunty cove]

most of the "you must use constant extra space" questions are about modifying the input yea

[slate wasp]

Yeah

and sometimes modifying input is shitty

cause it is a side effect

like in first missing positive, imagine that function was used for a business need or smth

now you just fucked up your input and what if other operations needed it

[wary harbor]

yo is it bad to put links on ur resume for screening? like having one for each project

ye but for screening what do u think is better @honest spire

[jaunty cove]

this?

    while nums[0] != nums[nums[0]]:
        nums[nums[0]], nums[0] = nums[0], nums[nums[0]]
    return nums[0]

[wary harbor]

ight ight

[jaunty cove]

whos going to stop me?

Wtf

😐

he went off the rails

[slate wasp]

bro just vanished

[jaunty cove]

ok snowflake OA round 2

how hard wil i get fked this time

[near swallow]

@inner kernel

Are u ok

Dont spam huge walls of text

And delete tons of comments

If accident it’s fine

[devout jewel]

hi @near swallow

how r u

[near swallow]

Spam deleters tend to be trolls

[uneven sand]

https://tenor.com/view/gizista-gizizmus-gizi-gif-22087323

[sinful locust]

HEY

LMAO

evan spiegel only has 3 results

@inner kernel remove em all

[dusk night]

Just applied to Amazon internship in Paris I don’t really think I have the level but who knows, gonna spam leetcode lmao

[thorny merlin]

what companies take interns who already graduated

[silent ruin]

Anyone heard from Amazon today?

[summer sequoia]

i got an oa today

[carmine aurora]

You dont really need the cover letter, got an interview last year without it

I just had a bunch of google buzzwords on resume and 2 prev internships

yeah

sophomore

^^ yeah they emailed me very late last year

like november

so i musst have been on waitlist

i had prev internships but if you have good projects + leadership its probably fine

its up to you but i dont think its necessary

i dont submit cover letters anymore

unless required (rare)

[lofty bluff]

anyone know whats going wrong here

[late terrace]

temp coould be null from your previous loop

[sinful locust]

this was unhelpful and rude

[late terrace]

this was helpful and kind

[sinful locust]

this was not helpful but kind

[sinful locust]

[carmine aurora]

Loll

[sinful locust]

time to sleep

[silk holly]

yall how do you change your resume to show you are undergrad going into grad school(so applying for internships in the summer in between) but u dont know which grad school yet?

[sinful locust]

@hearty river im taking a nap

[clear oxide]

anyone know how long amazon takes to get back after final?

[sinful locust]

they dont

[lofty bluff]

ty

[clear oxide]

[low vale]

Okay, so I finished the Akuna interview

got DP for the technical

and then got asked javascript questions for the behavioral

???

I applied for a python role

bitch wtf

[summer sequoia]

aug 27

[low vale]

basic stuff like what is let var const, what happens if you change these, how would you make this website

[mellow robin]

a month at this rate

[clear oxide]

thats pretty long but interesting

[agile yew]

Has anyone done the quantitative assessment for Susqehana International Group?

[mellow robin]

been more than 3 weeks for me already

[agile yew]

How was it?

And what comes after the OA?

In university? No

What does an intro probability class cover

Monte carlo no, normal and binomial yes

But what about them? Their PDFs?

[lofty bluff]

usless stuff

so useless

i hated it

[agile yew]

And no coding?

Thanks very much

By the way have you ever heard of Castleton?

[jaunty cove]

he's imploding agaain

[low vale]

who's imploding?

[jaunty cove]

woahh

[low vale]

idk who woah is, i only know matt

[jaunty cove]

😐

[lofty bluff]

oh, written in the stars, a million miles away, a message to the main hub

seasons come and go, but i will never change

and im on my wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[wide socket]

is capitalone done recruitin

[jaunty cove]

guys

how do i do @jolly spade on c++

💀

i cant define functions within functions on this lamng

im fked

auto auto auot

iwas doing the snowflake oa

i just rage quit bc

i couldnt figure out how to cache

stuff

and i didnt want to do bottom u

p

[covert sundial]

Has anyone heard back from Snowflake after OA?

[jaunty cove]

the fact that i have to write a hash function to accomplish this is incredibly frustrating

@inner kernel do you use C++

[heavy magnet]

calc ev of bin rv etc, u get a scenario with like a coin toss and u want to get ev and if u see it's a binomial u can answer it pretty quick so things like that will be helpful for oa

[jaunty cove]

how do i not get fked on an interview

[muted summit]

i think if u dont get rejected fast then you should be good

[jaunty cove]

nah bro i took it 10 days ago got like 2 test cases out of 45 and i havent been rejected

[agile yew]

Thanks man

How do you prep for brainteasers BTW?

[jaunty cove]

this time around i managed to figure out the recurrence relations but idk how to translate top down dp in python to C++

[jaunty cove]

do this book i like it a lot

[heavy magnet]

check out intro to quant finance book

'green book'

[jaunty cove]

yea

i was about to

post a pdf of that

[heavy magnet]

has probability too so study that

[jaunty cove]

most the ones ive seen so far are game theory or logic

[heavy magnet]

ye might get some of that too

[agile yew]

By Stephen Blyth?

[heavy magnet]

nah

[jaunty cove]

its by some asian guy

https://usermanual.wiki/Document/Practical20Guide20To20Quantitative20Finance20Interview.604244935.pdf

[agile yew]

Tyvm

[jaunty cove]

oh wait

im only on the first chapter thats why its so simple

[plucky tusk]

Has anyone taken Nuro Hackerrank? Got invite today and it's one of my top companies, not sure what difficulty questions to expect

[jaunty cove]

💀

[south aspen]

Tell them to give it to me

and I’ll tell u how it goes

😎

[low vale]

yo, how'd Palantir go?

[jaunty cove]

how do companies screen for juniors but also screen for not having preivous internships

[agile yew]

Just wondering, if I had to pick some maths courses to take, what should I focus on? I really want to avoid taking Real Analysis as that's an infamously hard class, but it seems a lot of future classes rely on it. Any suggestions or advice on where to look? Should I self-learn/audit?

[jaunty cove]

fake analysis

[heavy magnet]

i think real analysis is useful for more advanced stats if that a route u wanna go but idk tho

[teal gull]

if u just want to focus on probability/stats, then measure theory is probably enough

[jaunty cove]

these brainteasers are hard af

[agile yew]

Is it worth tanking my GPA for? I have to take three semesters of it

[jaunty cove]

why are you sure that it will tank your gpa?

[heavy magnet]

idk cant rly give good advice on the matter

should prob find someone in the field ur interested in and ask if possible

[jaunty cove]

@heavy magnet do you know other collections of problems like this? focusing on just problems/solutions rather than a bunch of theory

like the green book

[warped nest]

https://tenor.com/view/programming-computer-frog-nerd-frog-smart-fog-csharp-gif-25385487

[heavy magnet]

heard on the street and i did stat110 book for getting the hang of basics

also

https://www.madandmoonly.com/doctormatt/mathematics/dice1.pdf

lots of dice problems with solutions, but they can be tricky lmao

[jaunty cove]

thank you

so much to read so little time

[rapid swan]

@hallow scroll DOES FIGMA CALL TO REJECT

[safe minnow]

Reneging offer > risking no internship, correct?

[mild pond]

unclear

[versed kestrel]

Yes

[safe minnow]

Ok, I think I might have to renege several times to get my best internship for this summer

[mild pond]

you will get blacklisted at those companies forever

[hardy patrol]

bro has several offers

[safe minnow]

Uhhh

[versed kestrel]

Uhm actually just renege 1

[safe minnow]

No

[versed kestrel]

Dont overuse it

[jaunty cove]

they will send a hit order on you

[hardy patrol]

is it actually the status quo to blacklist renegers

or do select companies do it

[jaunty cove]

i think so

it kind of makes sense

[safe minnow]

I heard it worsen your relations with a recruiter, not the entire company

[jaunty cove]

would you want to commit to a company that pulled the rug out under from you in the past?

[hardy patrol]

oh whatever in that case lol

[mild pond]

ive heard reneging from a finance internship can ruin chances across multiple companies

[hardy patrol]

i mean i cant replace a company as easily as an employee

[safe minnow]

[jaunty cove]

SUPER EGG DROP

@inner kernel

[mighty path]

Bruh this recruiter has emailed me twice now

[jaunty cove]

damn bro

you should apply

[mild pond]

did you apply last year

[mighty path]

Negative

[mild pond]

weird

[north portal]

wait

so reneging on the company can hurt your other offers too?

or is it just a company specific thing

[mild pond]

it depends on the field

[jaunty cove]

ive heard recruiters know each other across companies and so it can hurt your chances but idk if thats true

[mild pond]

reneging small company, meh who cares

[north portal]

what about a capital one type company

[safe minnow]

I know for a fact that big tech do not keep lists across companies

[north portal]

oh ok thats fine then

[mild pond]

reneging jane street can seriously fuck you over at HRT, Two Sigma, Five Rings

[north portal]

i would never renege on jane street

[safe minnow]

Individual recruiters can, but not entire companies

[mild pond]

why not

if you get js offers

you can get offers from the other places

then you might renege

[safe minnow]

Maybe you renege JS for Rentech

💀

[north portal]

yea but id probably choose and pick first come first serve, they would literally be on the same tier at that point

[jaunty cove]

rentech is definitely a cult

[safe minnow]

They all have strict noncompetes anyways

[north portal]

like im not gonna penny pinch, imma try to get into at least one of them and take the opportunity

[mild pond]

id rather work for DeepMind than JS maybe

[safe minnow]

Yeah deepmind sounds hella cool

[jaunty cove]

is deepmind the company that made alpha zero chess

ai

oh yea

[north portal]

yea

[jaunty cove]

beats stock fish 10 to 1

[mild pond]

a standard deviation too low to get JS or deepmind

[safe minnow]

How on earth do you get into deepmind anyways

[jaunty cove]

phd probably

[sinful locust]

Am i getting scammed or is a google recruiter dming me on linkedin?

[mild pond]

we'll see lol

[jaunty cove]

a lot of research

[north portal]

check the profile

[mild pond]

ill probably get an interview at deepmind

then get mega rejected

[jaunty cove]

i forgot they are owned by google

[versed kestrel]

I like that confidence

[mild pond]

nah, its not confidence, i just am in a very high signal program

even tho its not that high signal

[sinful locust]

it looks sus
the background is google but under employment it says "Randstad Sourceright supporting Google"

[safe minnow]

I've never heard of that terminology before

[north portal]

oh idk then

[jaunty cove]

that sounds sketchy asf

[sinful locust]

but they gave me a @potent plank.com email address

[mild pond]

do you think a phd in CS at UT Austin means you're a good candidate

[sinful locust]

also a url link but im def not clicking that 💀

[jaunty cove]

i bet

[mild pond]

(im not at ut austin)

what about a phd in math at UT Austin

[jaunty cove]

are you a phd in general

[mild pond]

yes

[jaunty cove]

what are you researching

[mild pond]

math

[jaunty cove]

ig you would dox yourself

[hallow scroll]

No

[mild pond]

lol people on this discord with full names and job descriptions

im not super worried about privacy tho

[jaunty cove]

im just interested in what people are doing research in

[mild pond]

but basically im attached to high-tier CS school despite a not incredible math program

cheat code

[safe minnow]

🤔

[mild pond]

like georgia tech is great for CS but not math lol

[jaunty cove]

ya

i thought it was good for math too

[north portal]

dont cs and math usually go hand in hand tho, so math wouldnt be terrible etiehr right?

like it wouldnt be top tier but its def above average right?

[jaunty cove]

i want to do the online masters in cs at gatech

sad

[mild pond]

not great to me means like

20-30 range

[jaunty cove]

ok

[north portal]

oh ok

makes sense then

[safe minnow]

What schools even fit at that criteria

🤔

[mild pond]

quite a lot actually

[north portal]

targets i think

CMU?

Stanford?

[mild pond]

carnegie is one lol

[safe minnow]

Wait what do you mean by top tier for CS btw

[north portal]

top 10?

[mild pond]

top 20

[safe minnow]

Oh ok

[jaunty cove]

20 questions to dox scoot

[safe minnow]

Yeah that's like 10 of em

[safe minnow]

💀

[mild pond]

so if u want cheat code

join cmu for shitty grad program

then say you go to cmu

ez offers all around

[jaunty cove]

but then you go to a shitty program

[safe minnow]

Oh so you go to cmu for math?

🤔

Or another one

[sinful locust]

what gpa for masters or phd in CS at cmu

[jaunty cove]

at least a lot

[mild pond]

if you wanna get accepted to CS at CMU??

idk probably safe with a 4.0 lol

[quaint bolt]

good thing I have a 4.1

[mild pond]

below a 3.8 is actually like suspect

[sinful locust]

what about below 2.8

[mild pond]

you don't need to apply

they already rejected you

[sinful locust]

[jaunty cove]

dont u have research exp tho

[sinful locust]

bruh i was on CMU waitlist after high school

[sinful locust]

no lol

[jaunty cove]

maybe not for cs but ik for a lot of fields research + an ok gpa is better than a great gpa

[mild pond]

if ppl are actually curious about my exp im happy to dm

[sinful locust]

for research i just did coding

no paper

[safe minnow]

[sinful locust]

i never checked if i got off or not

[safe minnow]

I assume you still ended up in a good place then

[mild pond]

CMU probably isn't even best for CS undergrad in PA

[sinful locust]

yes
but their security CTF team is the best in the world

[mild pond]

lol

[sinful locust]

and for research they have a whole department for security

[jaunty cove]

do companies put "flags" in their system and hire security ppl to capture it as a test

or is it just a game

im not joking bro

idk anything about this

[sinful locust]

yes its a game

[jaunty cove]

is it like 4d leetcode

[safe minnow]

I believe riot does offer job interviews to certain people exploiting their system

Not sure about other companies

[sinful locust]

its like leetcode but it applies to real life

and is fun

[quaint bolt]

Is it not perfect blue?

[sinful locust]

thats the georgiatech one

[quaint bolt]

A person in my cohort’s part of perfect blue

He’s loo

[sinful locust]

they also have goated security department

[quaint bolt]

[mild pond]

would you rather go to UCLA or CMU for computer science/

[sinful locust]

CMU

[mild pond]

i might choose UCLA

so much CLOUT

[sinful locust]

what clout

[safe minnow]

Does it?

[sinful locust]

you go to gtech?

[mild pond]

not really

[sinful locust]

wtf is a cohort

[quaint bolt]

Waterloo

[mild pond]

but ucla is like 10X the size right?

maybe at school opportunities are more prevalent

and less competitive

[sinful locust]

CMU is tied with MIT Stanford and Berkeley for CS research

[mild pond]

but idk tbh lol

that's research

talking about undergrad

my bad

[sinful locust]

good research -> good profs -> good resume value

[quaint bolt]

My program in my year

Which is why i was surprised when you tied a CTF team to a uni

[vital heath]

does anyone know if amazon do behavioral or technical first in final round

[quaint bolt]

Since he goes to loo and not gatech

[mild pond]

for new grad or internship?

[quaint bolt]

LPs first

[sinful locust]

some teams are only people from the uni

others can be randos online

[vital heath]

internship

[mild pond]

uh if you pass the OAs it's pretty variable

if your OAs were good it might just be OA review and behavioral

or they might ask you new questions

[vital heath]

oh really?

i passed all test cases for my OA with correct time complexity i believe

[mild pond]

yeah but it also seems pretty RNG too so even in that case might get asked new leetcode Qs

[sand orbit]

Don’t think so

They’re competitors lol

[vital heath]

i see

im so nervous

my interview is tomorrow

[sand orbit]

tbh, reneging in finance is quite common

[sinful locust]

good luck
what company?

[sand orbit]

also common in tech

[mild pond]

i might be wrong tbh, thats just what my friend is saying

he has offers at IMC and Virtu for full time

[vital heath]

amazon

[mild pond]

then again that is trading, not software

[vital heath]

i really need amazon

[quaint bolt]

gl

[vital heath]

cause im switching career paths to cs

[sand orbit]

finance loves exploding offer lol

[mild pond]

yeah

[sand orbit]

like 48hrs or required to sign on-site

[mild pond]

haven't heard that extreme but IMC's is 1 week

[sand orbit]

everybody will sign, and keep interviewing

[sand orbit]

IMC is quite chill

[quaint bolt]

Me with akuna

[mild pond]

tbh none of the hft firms seem that chill

[sand orbit]

plan on reneging?

[quaint bolt]

If I get IMC yes

[mild pond]

always 40+ hour weeks and competitive environment

[sand orbit]

quite chill in finance lol

[mild pond]

which is the norm for HFT, you can be relative sure

but id never wanna work in that

[quaint bolt]

Waiting on IMC final

[sand orbit]

quant?

[quaint bolt]

Depends on the company and if you’re swe it’s usually v chill

[mild pond]

oh SWE i can believe more

trading seems all the time

[quaint bolt]

Heard nothing but good things about JS, HRT, Jump and more

[quaint bolt]

SWE

[sand orbit]

ic

good luck bro

[jaunty cove]

imc

[quaint bolt]

Ty

[mild pond]

i just want my coasting microsoft job

where i work 3 hours a day

[jaunty cove]

why are u doing a phd in math to do that bro

[quaint bolt]

Need that signing bonus so I can buy the new iPhone without feeling terrible

[sand orbit]

lol

[mild pond]

didnt get hired after undergrad

[sand orbit]

IMC signing just kills

[mild pond]

got accepted to grad school

[sinful locust]

same
i got a referral for msft but they couldn't submit bc i already had one
still ghosted though 😭

[jaunty cove]

oh nice

well now u will be overqualified

[mild pond]

nah

ultimate goal is a research position

[quaint bolt]

Can’t wait for 50% of the signing to go to taxes

[soft basin]

buy teh new macbook

its rlly nice

[mild pond]

if i dont get that, amazon internship will let me fall back into tech

[sinful locust]

im thinking research too rn after reading some papers for a class but my gpa is so low

[soft basin]

u can always talk to a prof for research

[quaint bolt]

Why not applied science at Amazon

[soft basin]

they are constantly looking for assistants i think

[quaint bolt]

I’ll get one after I graduate

[mild pond]

sure, if i get hired there lol

[soft basin]

i bought myself the m2 and it was rlly nioce

my scholarship refunds hit and im like fuck it

[sinful locust]

bro spacex recruiter said if i don't here anything on monday im rejected

its 4pm PT empty inbox

[mild pond]

i dont think there's overlap much between those teams

[sinful locust]

[mild pond]

amazon software and amazon applied scientist

or am i wrong?

[sand orbit]

Researcher positions are competitive af

[mild pond]

like idk if amazon internship will help me

[quaint bolt]

Not really teams, diff roles

[sand orbit]

many top phds ended up in places like vmware

[mild pond]

basically top level phd jobs are saturated and INSANELY competitive

[quaint bolt]

Idk what they work on, I met one Master’s student in Vancouver was was an applied science intern and worked on Alexa shit so it was v secretive

[mild pond]

id be fine chlling with 200K amazon swe job in nyc

[soft basin]

same

[mild pond]

and reapplying to those places each year

[soft basin]

id be chillin with 180k per year swe amazon in seattle

[quaint bolt]

Yeah understandable

[mild pond]

or maybe not amazon, too much work

lol

[quaint bolt]

S3 has a surprising number of applied scientists btw

[sand orbit]

Amazon might be the easiest to get in

[mild pond]

for research?

[quaint bolt]

I was browsing the org charts and was v surprised

[sand orbit]

but their applied scientist not that resarch

[sand orbit]

yeah, compare to meta/google even ms

correct me if I'm wrong, not that sure

[mild pond]

i mean i do have like 400 new grad apps to send out next year for these things 🫠

nah it makes sense

amazon is like Tier 3 company

google/ms tier 2, jane street hrt tier 1

[sand orbit]

lol based

[sand orbit]

researcher in google brain > js/hrt imo

[crystal olive]

Is ms really on par with google though?

[soft basin]

good tier or bad tie it pays well enough to have a livable salary

[crystal olive]

Is it though? I heard it wasn't the best for compensation

Heard the wlb is great though

[sand orbit]

depends, msr not on par with google brain/fair generally

[soft basin]

idk

[mild pond]

google brain over JS? hmmm

thats a tough one

[crystal olive]

Is it higher than Amazon though?

[mild pond]

i think comp ceiling at JS is just so out of control in trading

[mild pond]

IMC and HRT in F tier?

what

who made that tier list

[sand orbit]

i mean google brain is kinda different from other researcher position in google

brain > other G researcher

[mild pond]

oh i didnt know that

[sinful locust]

my personal tier list for applying
ranked by how interesting work is to me

[mild pond]

oh i see

[crystal olive]

Missed that part of the conversation, was just talking about tc

[mild pond]

im not sure id put amazon in B tier for that

what about deepmind vs google brain

[sand orbit]

lol, hard choice

[sand orbit]

depends on the team, but def same tier

[mild pond]

im hoping i get this deepmind interview

and then absolutely annihilated by it lol

they might actually only look at CS/ML phds or something

[sinful locust]

do companies outsource recruiting to india or am i getting scammed?

[mild pond]

ah i see

[sinful locust]

im geting scammed?

[mild pond]

those undergrads must be insane

[sinful locust]

the link was legit and email address looks good too

[mild pond]

And a 160 iq

[mystic depot]

Which company?

[sinful locust]

big g

[jaunty cove]

wtf does this mean

how do u quantify networking

[quaint bolt]

Idk about india but HFTs/quant firms do outsource their recruiting quite a bit

[mystic depot]

I don’t know about them I have had some recruiters for Amazon from India before it was legit

[jaunty cove]

im confused

[sand orbit]

think u need recommendation from professors

[mild pond]

15K people in the USA have iq above 160

They took all the jobs

[sinful locust]

iq is made up lol
next you'll use horrorscopes

[mild pond]

Iq pretty good predictor tbh

[sinful locust]

of income of family

[heavy magnet]

isn't iq/g factor an actual good measurement of general intelligence though

[mystic depot]

Def not for swe imo

[safe minnow]

I believe IQ is a useful metric at the lower end, but nonsensical at the upper end

[mystic depot]

Quant I would say IQ indicates lol

[safe minnow]

The US military not hiring below 81 makes a lot of sense

[mild pond]

Born with poverty 159 IQ

(jk not that smart)

[mystic depot]

Never done an IQ test lmao I got no clue

About mine

[sinful locust]

intelligence is learned and your brain is molded by practice so the idea of being a static arbitrary number is nonsense

[mystic depot]

This

[mild pond]

Would you lose a finger for 15 more iq points

[undone river]

I do for 20

[sinful locust]

would you lose a finger to be an aquarius

reduction proof

[safe minnow]

Coding would be a pain in the ass

[mild pond]

I’m already one jokes on u

[undone river]

15 * 10 = 150

[mystic depot]

This lol 😂

[undone river]

gain 150 iq

[safe minnow]

You’d probably get better results asking mathematicians

[heavy magnet]

well u cant actually increase iq according to researchers

[sinful locust]

would you lose a finger for

[jaunty cove]

this is genius

[sinful locust]

iq is made up according to researchers

[mild pond]

Would you lose a finger for a citadel internship

[jaunty cove]

according to me i have a 160 iq

[mystic depot]

Now this is a tough decision lol 😂

[sinful locust]

i'd lose a finger for anything tbh

fingers overrated

[jaunty cove]

guys i finished the iq test but now i have to pay to see the results

thats fukced up

[mystic depot]

Bruh moment

[mild pond]

The more you pay the higher your iq

[safe minnow]

I heard you get fucked at citadel working 12 hour days anyways 💀

[jaunty cove]

yea

[mystic depot]

Imma take the suffering for the pay lol 😂

[safe minnow]

You think that now but the amount of people that can survive long term is incredibly rare I think

[sinful locust]

iq was originally a kindergarten test
then rich people began to use it as justification for eugenics on minorities to say they were inferior

[mild pond]

Yeah but it’s just an internship

[mystic depot]

Oh nah it’s def not long term lol

[safe minnow]

Oh you mean internship

Oh ok

[mystic depot]

Ye lol 😂

[mild pond]

Citadel might be worst job in America

[mystic depot]

No lifetime career at citade for me lol 😂

[mild pond]

Only a million dollars a year

Poverty wage

[jaunty cove]

i wouldnt want to wokr at citadel anyways

[safe minnow]

Imagine

💀

[mild pond]

200k is enough tc for me

[sinful locust]

i interned at uber and i thought that was depressing despite team with wlb

[sand orbit]

actually, there's a citadel -> google pipeline

and vice versa

[sinful locust]

i would not survive at an hft

[safe minnow]

But if you can get a citadel offer you could probably also get some nice offers elsewere too

[sand orbit]

you can negotiate elsewhere with that insane TC

[mild pond]

What about my Amazon to Hrt pipeline

[sinful locust]

being independent security researcher is the move

fuck companies not letting you work on shit and going to meetings all day fun

[quaint bolt]

Amazon’s historically been enough for HRT

Even more so for Cit

[mystic depot]

Ooooooh I didn’t know this

[quaint bolt]

So many people doing amazon -> Cit

[mystic depot]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-thinking-thinking-about-you-think-thinking-of-you-gif-20503421

[sinful locust]

bruh everytime i open this discord its discussing citadel jane street or hrt

[mystic depot]

Every time I open it people are taking about tier lists 💀💀💀

[sinful locust]

i aint doing putnam

[sinful locust]

ive only seen it a handful

but cit is mentioned daily

[mild pond]

Like what does pipeline mean lol

[jaunty cove]

im going to be upset if amazon fills

oh well

[mild pond]

Just enough to get an interview?

[mystic depot]

It’s just cause of the hype and pay they give tbh

[sinful locust]

they can't fill

[mystic depot]

Wlb non existent tho

[sinful locust]

they always pip more than hire

my amazon phone was a week before christmas but that was 2020

[mystic depot]

Big up PIP every company should have pip

Sike

😂😂😂

[jaunty cove]

talking about internshi

want 2 internships so my 3rd can be rly good

[sinful locust]

same thing tbh
they didnt give some returns

[jaunty cove]

i dont wnna work there ft so idc about return

i will just fk around once i get it

once i get there

[sinful locust]

what will you put on resume that you did

[mystic depot]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-gif-25645320

[jaunty cove]

im really good at coasting

and making it seem like i did work

[sinful locust]

https://tenor.com/view/sml-marvin-im-not-hiring-him-not-hiring-him-supermariologan-gif-24278855

[jaunty cove]

ya if this was an interview i wouldnt be telling you that

[sinful locust]

amazon interns working weekends

[sinful locust]

💀

[jaunty cove]

why would u do that

just get a ng offer at a good company

instead

[sinful locust]

💀 its hard

amazon has lost all resume value

my response rate went down 💀

[jaunty cove]

how are u supposed to know

[sinful locust]

anyone do atlassian phone?

or stripe phone?

if they pull out leetcode that isnt obvious imma just end the meeting

[jaunty cove]

how many high iq societies are you a member of

[sinful locust]

7

[jaunty cove]

can i get a referal

to 6 of them

[sinful locust]

what do i get in return

do i study for stripe phone or what

im so confused

[jaunty cove]

is it a security position

[sinful locust]

no its swe

i need a backup since i don't have return this time around

[low vale]

applying to internships is hella draining

[undone river]

man

[tawdry frigate]

today i have an announcement to make

[undone river]

how long do you usually get back after applying

[sinful locust]

same its been a week and shit aint scheduled

[tawdry frigate]

i am no longer a west coast hater

[undone river]

all I get is hackerrank/coding questions

[tawdry frigate]

i intern one more summer to determine if bay area is good

we shall see

[sinful locust]

you mean oa?

[undone river]

yup

[sinful locust]

i want new york

[stone echo]

anyone interview for hubby this year yet final round?

hubspot

[tawdry frigate]

que

i got placed nowhere

[sinful locust]

hubby

[tawdry frigate]

i have no job

i apply for jobs

[stone echo]

im wednesday

🙂

[low vale]

gl gl

[stone echo]

guess im Guinea pig o whale

yeah i know the recruiter for my skool

he a chilla

i took cap one today

recruiter texted me i should get offer tmw

🙏

[low vale]

hopefully i do good on my hub phone tmw

[stone echo]

sys design and leetco0de

1 hour each

i haven;'t studied in so long

[soft basin]

u got system design for c1?

goddamn

i got it as well

[sinful locust]

sys design for interns 💀

bruh i heard stripe is easy and no leetcode

[soft basin]

c1 was my first time ever doing system design

[sinful locust]

my first time i got offer 😎

somehow they messed up interviewing so bad they eneded up asking system design

the solution i used was multi-level feedback queue

[jaunty cove]

what the fk is that

[sinful locust]

bascially just paste in linux's algorithm for any scheduling question and you good

[jaunty cove]

oh yeah, i love linuxs algorithm for scheduling

👍

[frigid gate]

hey really anyone have SDE interview this summer ?

[sinful locust]

just read the source bro

[covert sundial]

I heard about this in my Operating Systems class

[sinful locust]

same

[jaunty cove]

isnt it millions of lines of c ode now

[low delta]

so when yall reach out to recruiters from last season, what do you tittle the email?

[sinful locust]

honestly OS and distributed systems are only CS classes you need

esp if youre a leetcode monkey

[covert sundial]

lol, agreed

[sinful locust]

if not id just add data structures and maybe algs

[jaunty cove]

thats why i want to go to grad school

cause

[sinful locust]

cuz what

[jaunty cove]

i taught myself everything ik and its hard to teach yourself distrbiuted systems

[sinful locust]

just take it as school

or switch schools if you don't have it

[jaunty cove]

im not a cs major thats why

i cant get into the classes

im taking a linux class at a cc this quarter tho

very simple

[sinful locust]

linux terminal or linux kernel

im guessing former by simple

[jaunty cove]

i honestly think it might be a class about how to use linux

idk

what is the difference

[sinful locust]

between terminal and a kernel?

[jaunty cove]

how do you run linux in just a terminal

how does that work

[sinful locust]

do you know what is a terminal is

or shell

[heavy magnet]

what are they teaching u in that class

[jaunty cove]

The student will be able to:
A. Describe the basic features of the Linux operating system.
B. Understand the history and philosophy of Linux systems and standards.
C. Discuss the various components of Linux.
D. Describe the Linux kernel and its subsystems.
E. Create a user account, logon and get information using commands on a Linux system.
F. Compare Linux shell types and use variables in the shell environment.
G. Understand a basic shell script and demonstrate the understanding of the shell through the use of an alias and built in commands.
H. Use the man pages effectively and show proficiency in using the command line.
I. Display, count, sort and compare files using filter commands.
J. Discuss the Linux files system concepts and organization.
K. Perform directory and file operations including changing permissions, creation, deletion, moving and renaming.
L. Demonstrate an understanding of user and system processes and basic process operations.
M. Use regular expressions to effectively describe desired search patterns.
N. Write code to redirect input and output to and from the user, files and commands using redirection and pipe.
O. Connect to remote computers and transfer files using Linux commands.
P. Create and edit text files in a Linux text editor to illustrate knowledge of the text editor functions and commands.

it sounds like terminal

[heavy magnet]

yea

[jaunty cove]

i thought to use a terminal you needed a kernel

[heavy magnet]

but he meant like a class on how the kernel works

[sinful locust]

to use a computer you need a kernel 💀

[jaunty cove]

yeah

thats why i didnt get your question

[sinful locust]

yes

[jaunty cove]

i thought you were implying there was two types of linux operating systems and only one had a kernel

[sinful locust]

huh? how

[jaunty cove]

like

are you learning the "kernel" linux or the "terminal" linux 😂

[sinful locust]

technically you can have devices without OS but humans can't log into them

[jaunty cove]

[heavy magnet]

u can have human without heart but they're dead

[sinful locust]

just use linux for daily stuff thats how i learned all theses things
or play CTFs

[heavy magnet]

ctf are fun and good way to learn how to get around linux

[jaunty cove]

so i should install a virtual version of linux or whatever you call it on my macbook

to learn how to us elinux

[sinful locust]

no like embedded devices like traffic lights or microwave without OS/kernel

[sinful locust]

nah just use docker

or your regular terminal

mac is unix-like too

[jaunty cove]

i dont think i understand what linux actually is

it seems like its focused on the terminal

heavily

[sinful locust]

its a kernel

[jaunty cove]

or is it just that everyone uses linux uses the terminal a lot

[sinful locust]

yes

colloquially most people mean it to refer to terminal or UNIX hsell

bc most swes are not OS devs

[jaunty cove]

hm

[sinful locust]

but all swes use shells

to run any program you have to use a shell/terminal even if its hidden away

[jaunty cove]

ok

oh and people like it cause its open source so you can fk with it

[sinful locust]

yes and its free and fast

a majority of servers run linux and devs use terminals to interact with them

[jaunty cove]

ah and the terminal is the only interface they have to interact with the server

there is no "let me open up chrome"

[sinful locust]

yes

exactly

theres a bunch of different versions of the linux kernel

some for embedded, some for phones like Android

[jaunty cove]

are there popular versions that people argue about which one is better

[sinful locust]

all of them open source due to the license

[late terrace]

yea arch is the best

[sinful locust]

i think you're thinking of distributions which are differnt versions of software packaged with linux kernel(and sometimes variations of the kernel) for use on desktop

but other than chrome most desktops aren't linux

[jaunty cove]

hm

[sinful locust]

there's also UNIX which is what linux is based on
back in the day you had to pay for UNIX so people made there own versions like BSD
now unix is free bc linux and bsd are open source

MacOS is based of BSD UNIX

so you can type linux commands in macos terminal if they are UNIX ones

windows however has their own shell but is somewhat follows the specification for UNIX-like OSes known as POSIX

[jaunty cove]

this is a very deep rabbit hole

how old were you when you started learning about operating systems

[sinful locust]

idk probably 15 or 16

learning history or about internals?

[jaunty cove]

internals

how they work

[sinful locust]

idk just programming or using linux i would run into OS concepts a lot

but actually writing code that runs in OS like drivers i started around 2018/2019

[jaunty cove]

damn ok

[versed kestrel]

it's always funny what GNU stands for

[sinful locust]

or XNU

writing kernel code is a headache

it is fun tho

def teaches you a lot too

[versed kestrel]

yeah that's why os dev is extremely slow compare to other fields

[balmy ginkgo]

Anyone with a VO date after 9.6 and got an amazon offer?

Have they stopped sending feedback?

[versed kestrel]

as long as it runs fast, you could take forever write it

[jaunty cove]

would you recommend using linux with docker just to learn, or is it actually a viable replacement for using osx on this laptop

i was thinking maybe i could install linux on my old laptop but i think apple makes it really hard to do anything like htat

[sinful locust]

ig its not that bad
if youre writing anything with synchronization just as painful just debugging is annoying for kernels that arent linux

i use docker on os x all the time

i havent tried ARM ones tho

[jaunty cove]

why ssh into a computer if you can just use it

[sinful locust]

its a viable replacement for windows laptops
there is a distro that somewhat works on macos but i wouldnt risk it

[jaunty cove]

ok i see

maybe i can sell mine on here lol

i wish i was able to mess around with apple hardware more i think that would make their stuff more fun to use

and then i could leanr more

isnt that indirection going to make things really slow

[sinful locust]

is there a specific thing you want to do with linux?

you can use macos terminal for most stuff

[versed kestrel]

you could port linux to arm tho 🤔

[jaunty cove]

i feel like its a valuable skill

and i like the idea of customizability and open source

[versed kestrel]

a bit sketchy but possible

[sinful locust]

linux works for all architectures
there is a distro for the new macbooks i forget what its called

[jaunty cove]

for a similar reason i wanted to learn C after learning python in order to learn more about whats going on under the hood with memory management

[versed kestrel]

nah im saying this cause I saw Linus port Fedora to his M2 mb air

[sinful locust]

you can use macbook to learn C

[jaunty cove]

i was making an analogy

where C gives you more control and more responsibility

is it fair to say linux does a similar thing for operating sytesm

[sinful locust]

kind of
depends what you want to learn

[versed kestrel]

tbh keep the mb, just run a linux vm

and do dev work on it

[sinful locust]

in comparison to windows

if you just want to learn linux commands just use macos terminal

if you want to write OS code def use linux

[versed kestrel]

have u contributed to the linux kernel 👀

[sinful locust]

bash is lit bash regardless of the os

zsh is elite tho

[jaunty cove]

ok

but using linux in a vm is only for learning not effective as a long term thing right

[sinful locust]

yes to fix a security bug to stop hackers https://docfate111.github.io/blog/securityresearch/2021/11/08/SLUBoverflow.html

1 line lol

[versed kestrel]

no

[jaunty cove]

so you have an approved pr on the linux kernel???

[versed kestrel]

you do know that all servers are run on vm right?

[sinful locust]

yes

1 line pr

[jaunty cove]

i dont know

[versed kestrel]

vm is basically hardware virtualization,

[jaunty cove]

i thought a vm was like a machine within a machine

[versed kestrel]

the kernel is completely different

[sinful locust]

im looking for more security issues for more - that is the job i want

no it was for a GPU driver so not mainline lol

[versed kestrel]

contrary to a container where it use the same kernel

[jaunty cove]

i know this probably sounds stupid but why would a server be run on a virtual machine instead of a machine itself

[versed kestrel]

better resource utilization

[dapper crest]

Anyone hear back today for Amazon Intern? Took my OA 9/1, I heard some people got their interview invites who took their OA 8/31 and 8/30

[sinful locust]

usually VMs are slower though so this is the main disadvantage

[jaunty cove]

resource utilization like ram?

is this the kind of stuff that OStep covers @sinful locust

[sinful locust]

if your code only works in the VM or you want to sandbox it
or you only want to maintain a VM

[versed kestrel]

it's not that slower tho?

[sinful locust]

no

[sinful locust]

no its a lot especially for emulating other architectures

[versed kestrel]

I don't think any servers would be emultating other arch

[sinful locust]

my dream job is to find ways to hack OSes and sell them

[sinful locust]

security goat google is hiring btw

[sinful locust]

security is not open yet i checked lol

[sinful locust]

do u need a referral?

they also rarely take interns for area of security i want since its secret stuff

[jaunty cove]

why d o you not like HFts if they do a lot of low level stuff and hacking liinux kernel

[sinful locust]

yes please but in oct or something

[sinful locust]

i mean hacking hacking like gaining privileges when you aren't supposed to not hacking as in developing software

idk its very competitive lol and wlb is not that good

i dont care for stonks either

ive only seen 1 guy intern at google project zero 💀

also ive never seen kernel dev as hft mainly just sysadmin linux or usermode swe

[crisp berry]

do you have google referrals 👀

[sinful locust]

yea

same

What does OA stand for?

[versed kestrel]

has anyone taken okta oa yet? just did mine

[sinful locust]

offer

[late terrace]

nuro oa was so easy

already got offer

[hollow sorrel]

online assessment

[sinful locust]

Ohh thx

[sinful locust]

i have a referral for me but no sorry i dont just have a referral plug on deck 😞

[prime lily]

Duolingo was the first company to reject me 🤣

[golden tusk]

Juniors?

RNG then I think

[versed kestrel]

it was chill

some libraries or the stdlib to make rest requests

[sinful locust]

What college?

[sand orbit]

Js quite picky with university

Maybe the js recruiter is on crack when they reject u

db don’t care that much

but I rly can’t see why u get rejected by js with harvard and 2sig

they care about tech stack imo

but js def not care about tech

[warped dagger]

ssi asks: ban goku

[uneven sand]

my tech stack was watching youtube and moving the mouse every 5 minutes to make slack think im online

[undone hedge]

google 2023 swe internship is out

hmu for referral

[twilit wharf]

same lel

[hollow sorrel]

how do u write "more than 1 million" but using + in your resume? is "1+ million" okay?

[twilit wharf]

i heard theres like 4 interviews

and each one is brutal

6 hours

did u got roblox?

[sand orbit]

1m+

[twilit wharf]

wat did u do 1million of 😮

[hollow sorrel]

I try to use + because if I use over my bullet becomes 2 lines...

[north portal]

best of luck!

[hollow sorrel]

ok I will put 990k+

[twilit wharf]

same

How r u preparing 🤔

i never played roblox :Cry:

more of a minecraft person

dide codesignal get easier this year? i swear it did XD

mines on spet 28th

9 days before death

is that better or worse cause u have more time to prepare

O

Dude i know someone who got roblox invitation THREE DAYS after me. I scheduled mine for sept 28th, the earliest he could find was NOVEMBER.

sep 9

i completed my OA with full score and got rejected

💀

some people are just better human beings than others, and these companies know that 😢

I would still say it doesnt matter that mutch

Past t20 school it doesnt matter

[full badge]

It’s CMU, MIT, Stanford as T1 (cal fringe)

[heavy magnet]

can u do part time work or more internships during phd to not be totally broke and also get experience?

but i guess internships dont rly count as experience?

[low vale]

if you're a phd at fair

you have experience

fair's name carries so hard

[heavy magnet]

so if u make more as applied scientist with a phd then it seems totally worth it lmao

or some other role for phds

[low vale]

uh keep in mind you need a lot of passion for phds

[heavy magnet]

yeah but i think it'll be fun to do

[low vale]

oh, what for

[heavy magnet]

i just need money tho

also gonna need to do a masters and hope to get research exp incase i would do that

[low vale]

ah okay

one sec

making an acc

[hardy patrol]

same i think we got ghosted

[low vale]

40 questions left of grind75

then im gonna learn dp

🙏

[hardy patrol]

❓

[glad garnet]

tips for amazon interview?

[hardy patrol]

did pinterest ghost or are they still handing out oas

[sinful locust]

IS PINTEREST OA CODESIGNAL

[north portal]

wait fr?

thank god

[sinful locust]

IS PINTEREST OA CODESINGLA

[north portal]

codesignal gonna carry me fr fr

[hardy patrol]

oh wait is pinterest codesignal

💀

my last score was 675 i gotta work on that

[north portal]

u got it bro

[simple garden]

ok guys stop stressing

LeGoat is here

[hardy patrol]

glassdoor intern interview reviews all calling it hard lmao

that sounds like word salad now that im reading it back but pinterest looks rough

[sand orbit]

wtf? u op

[sinful locust]

bruhhhh

yo

@sinful locust

[stone echo]

Whars Pinterest OA cutoffs

tryna just submit my last score lmao

[north portal]

i think an 800+ should be good

[stone echo]

What about my 740

💀

[sinful locust]

they gave me some weird email over the summer telling me to email them if I want to skip the oa and go straight to interview

I probably wouldve failed the oa if I had to take it lol

Blake would pass it tho

[north portal]

damn nice

now if only i could get an OA from them

[proud crag]

@sinful locust if you were in boston area what activities would you do? asking for myself

[sinful locust]

@zenith dragon

[sinful locust]

kms

[hardy patrol]

second

whats considered "decent tc"

[warped dagger]

mrterrificmiracle asks: would you rather do something you hate for higher TC 300k or something you love for decent TC 160k ?