2023_summer

[soft basin]

i feel that amazon already reached peak tho

[oak kite]

but its not abnormal to get stuff in november december

[devout fractal]

I think this year is a bit weird

Cuz of economy

[oak kite]

yeah

[tired narwhal]

sept / oct peak apply, some ppl lucky get offer october, nov/dec as u said not abnormal

[oak kite]

rip meta interns

[tired narwhal]

pass that is sort of 50-50

[devout fractal]

Rip

[sinful locust]

oh shit

wait

how do you know

[oak kite]

@sick oar said 6k this year and well they hired 10k interns last year

[sinful locust]

like return offer hiring ?

oh fuck

like this coming season only 6k spots

sheeesh

[devout fractal]

When I was scheduling my final

[tawny nimbus]

oh damn

when did u schedule final

[oak kite]

yeah i got that auto reply too

[devout fractal]

I gave next 3 weeks availability

[tawny nimbus]

i did my oa like

a week ago

[zealous trail]

Also recruiters are getting laid off so hiring is slower

[tawny nimbus]

how hard is it to get final

i full solved in 9 min

so idk

i haven't heard back in a bit

[devout fractal]

I did my OA a month ago, got final invite a month ago and then they never rescheduled until a month later

[zealous trail]

That should get u final if u didn’t punt oa2

[soft basin]

amazon doesnt do recruiters for interns usually

[zealous trail]

They can be slow tho

[soft basin]

they just use student programs

[tawny nimbus]

wait huh

[devout fractal]

What is student programs then?

[zealous trail]

I mean it’s not automated lol

[tawny nimbus]

what was the turnaround time?

from oa to final

[zealous trail]

You just don’t see the recruiters

[devout fractal]

12 hrs for me

[soft basin]

the part of amazon that manages interns

[sinful locust]

and new grads

[tawny nimbus]

oh shit

its been 2 weeks

[jaunty cove]

[tawny nimbus]

since i did the amazon oa

wtf

[devout fractal]

Ok but then my turnaround for final confirm was 1 month lmao

[tawny nimbus]

where is my interview

[zealous trail]

It’s rng it’s fine

[tawny nimbus]

that blows

[jaunty cove]

dude

[devout fractal]

I think amzn is rly backed up rn dude

[tawny nimbus]

i full solved that in 9 min

smh

[zealous trail]

Goated

[jaunty cove]

Let me just say the fact that u can import bisect module on codesignal is busted

Lol

cause it trivializes binary search problems

imo

[soft mist]

then cpp shouldnt allow std lower_bound

[jaunty cove]

the hard thing 4 me is off by one errors which is eliminated by using bisect

[oak kite]

@sinful locust you said you interned at amazon right

[sinful locust]

yea

last summer

[zealous trail]

Upper bound is better

[sinful locust]

got return offer

[oak kite]

can i dm you some stuff about it

[sinful locust]

sure

[jaunty cove]

you get to share for up to 6 months right

[tired narwhal]

amazon return offer this year is great

they raised the base cap before i left

[zealous trail]

Yeah iirc

[tired narwhal]

so interns get great base

this year

[oak kite]

@sinful locust sent friend request

[sinful locust]

yeah it's actually perfect. esp since i narrowly avoided recession

[zealous trail]

Justin do u still do mentoring

For $$$

[tired narwhal]

i do, mainly for friends, oh for money yeh

but i reject ppl now

bc im too lazy haha

i only have one or two ppl

i actively mentor haha

[zealous trail]

Damn rejected by mentor that’s vicious

[tired narwhal]

usually more one offs if im free

but i still try to put as much online

and give resources to free shit lol

usually ppl who hire me are like, pivot entirely new industry, or rlly grinding hard

[tired narwhal]

no time haha. sleeping all day 🛌

[dusk kayak]

it's crazy I'm so hyped

[soft mist]

ill be working with you 🥺

if they allow me to team change

[dusk kayak]

my mentor is giga expediting me through to interview process for her own team

it's gonna be sick

[zealous trail]

Ur going to meta?

[zealous trail]

Dude good luck 🙏🙏🙏

Nuro so goated

[soft mist]

uber

unless i get smth i want more

[soft basin]

good luck u got this

[zealous trail]

Who here works at Uber

[dusk kayak]

Just trying to get like you my boy

[zealous trail]

Oh with nuroooo

Icic

[zealous trail]

😳

[dusk kayak]

but Nuro summer Google fall

hmmmm

[soft basin]

bro ur gonna be stacked

hope all goes well 🙏

some mf really dmed me on linkedin asking for amazon referral, i cant give referral i dont work there yet 😭

[jaunty cove]

💀

ppl are desperate

[zealous trail]

Just take nuro imo

But idk if they’re getting returns this year so maybe don’t haha

[jaunty cove]

every time i say !process company oa i get 10 dms from people asking what the questions were, who would never help me out in return

[soft basin]

LMAO

theres a lot of those ppl out there

[uneven sand]

lurkers kekw

[tired narwhal]

Lol i think the best thing to ask ppl is what is the general structure

not the questions

haha

[zealous trail]

Just turn off dms and friend requests

[tired narwhal]

but i try to actually help with the guide 😛

[uneven sand]

I just tell them it’s rng

[tired narwhal]

ppl desperate

[dusk kayak]

improve

[tired narwhal]

when every interviewer comes up with their own questions

lol

[zealous trail]

It’s all luck no skill

[dusk kayak]

also get connections my friend

[zealous trail]

Tutor me

[dusk kayak]

connections carrying so far

[tired narwhal]

Become a god to get Nuro lol

[uneven sand]

I have no connections :(

[zealous trail]

U have me

[uneven sand]

I’m too anti-social for that

true

[soft basin]

i do and thats rlly teh truth

[zealous trail]

Hoping ur my coworker in a couple years

🙏

[uneven sand]

idk depends on how well I did on the final

[jaunty cove]

Yea thats a fair question, itsjust weird how some people are so dependent on other ppl for questions that are easily googleable

[uneven sand]

it was ok ig

[jaunty cove]

godo idea

[zealous trail]

🙏🙏

[zealous trail]

U can dm me im curious

[tired narwhal]

yea ppl dumb desperate, then they try to google that question, and study only that question lol

i usually just tell them, its bfs / dfs

or something

but that it

[zealous trail]

For some companies it works lol

[tired narwhal]

yeh that true

some companies reuse it lol

[jaunty cove]

ikr as if 9/10 companies dont use a big pool of questions

[tired narwhal]

like OOD for BB is about the same

but those are on Leetcode discuss lol

[dusk kayak]

honestly i just get them from school, if i find out someone from my school or even connections of some alumni work where I want to work then i pursue a business relationship with them

and so far 90% of the time it's worked out

[uneven sand]

the questions weren’t too bad but I didn’t crush it so idk if that’s enough for an offer

like I did ok on 2 interviews and vibed with 1

[zealous trail]

I mean if you struggle but they like how u think u may be fine 🙏

Tough lc? Or sys and os?

[uneven sand]

yea I didn’t solve one of the questions optimally but interviewer said he liked thought process

[dusk kayak]

exactly, especially if you show you have a passion for what they do then it becomes so easy

[zealous trail]

That’s a v good sign

[uneven sand]

lc + oop + system design

[hallow scroll]

VEXOR PASS CIT AND I PASS FIGMA 🙏🙏

[zealous trail]

I mean I punted a LC problem for Shaw and still moved on lol

Didn’t solve it at all

[uneven sand]

1 of the lc I got solution easily

[dusk kayak]

i got my Nuro connection because of a project i did in their field of work that was shouted out by one of our more "famous" alum

[uneven sand]

one of them I couldn’t figure out the trick

[zealous trail]

Legend

[dusk kayak]

and we've been talking for months about this, now she wants me to join her team for Nuro next summer and is willing to make it happen

[jaunty cove]

sounds like if you demonstrate that youre a creative problem solver, and you can communicate your thought process, a lot of interviewers will still respect you

[dusk kayak]

so you've just gotta look out for shit like that

i meet them IRL too

[agile yew]

whats nuro?

[uneven sand]

I didn’t do too great on sys design bc I’ve never done it before lol

[dusk kayak]

sometimes I'll just talk to people with a company shirt on and see if they work there

[uneven sand]

I think it was a bit messy at first

[agile yew]

wait do i need to make a linkedin?

[dusk kayak]

exchange phone numbers or other contact

[agile yew]

witch?

[dusk kayak]

LinkedIn works just fine as well

LMAOOO

I'm like a full time LinkedIn communicator

so my network is very large now

from both irl interactions and people I've connected with on LinkedIn

[static spindle]

have you considered being a grass communicator?

[dusk kayak]

my girlfriend takes care of that for me

[static spindle]

[dusk kayak]

i don't touch grass so she has to touch double grass

😞

feel bad for her

[jaunty cove]

i guess this sounds like non-us

why is everyone in leetcode discuss indian

9/10

[dusk kayak]

because indians are cracked at LC

[jaunty cove]

ya

[dusk kayak]

like, in-state Indians due to the bar

[jaunty cove]

every contest the top finishers have the india or chinese flg next to their name

[zealous trail]

I mean India has a massive population

[dusk kayak]

true, higher sample size

[zealous trail]

And so does China

[jaunty cove]

fair

[agile yew]

i want to become indian so i can become cracked at lc

[dusk kayak]

or you can just become cracked

[uneven sand]

coding interviews are so much harder in India lol

lc hards seem to be way more common there

[jaunty cove]

is it just tougher lc questions

[uneven sand]

yea

[jaunty cove]

cause eveyrone is cracked

Lol

[uneven sand]

ig it makes sense bc more demand but less supply

[soft basin]

being cracked at leetcode isnt tied to a race 😭

[jaunty cove]

its too bad for good candidates there that the competition is more fierce as a result of there being less big tech companies hiring in india

evn though they would probably crush interviews in USA

[uneven sand]

yea most end up at WITCH

[agile yew]

that requires effort, whereas i could just be indian 😦

[agile yew]

WITCH?

[jaunty cove]

its like anti faang

[dusk kayak]

true how did i not think of that

[oak kite]

let's make a poll for ethnicities

it will look like 40 percent chinese 40 percent indians 10 percent everything else

[soft basin]

😭

[jaunty cove]

do the other 10% of people not have an ethnicity?

[safe minnow]

Yeah they from Mars

[crisp peak]

it scale ai OA automated

[jaunty cove]

👽

[uneven sand]

WITCH = Wipro Infosys TCS Cognizant HCL

[sinful locust]

bogos binted

[hardy patrol]

heaps are insane

[jaunty cove]

heaps are almost as op as hashmaps

[hardy patrol]

but theres only min heaps how do you make a max heap

[safe minnow]

Idts

[oak kite]

who came up with this cool name

"im from a witch firm"

[uneven sand]

you

[jaunty cove]

you invert the values twice

one bfeore putting it in once after

if x is the smallest in a set of numbers, -x is the largest in the set of all the negatives of those numbers

[hardy patrol]

oh shit thats smart

so in a list of 1,2,3,4,5 you just add a negative before heapifying

[soft basin]

it depends on the language

[hardy patrol]

then convert back to positive after

[jaunty cove]

yes

[soft basin]

in java u can just make a custom comparator

in python u can use negative values

[hardy patrol]

using python rn

[jaunty cove]

ya idk how java works

[hardy patrol]

thats insane

[soft basin]

yeah then for maxheap use negative values

[safe minnow]

c++ has standard max heaps

[dusk kayak]

heaps broken

[safe minnow]

Python kinda stup for not having that but w/e

[oak kite]

heaps are a magic box that helps you solve problems in O(nlogn)

[soft basin]

java has priorityqueue but in the constructor u can just put Collections.reverseorder()

[oak kite]

nothing else you need to know

[oak kite]

you could also use lambda function

[soft basin]

i used heap to solve merge k sorted LL

[soft basin]

ye thats the custom comparator

[oak kite]

(a, b) -> b - a

[soft basin]

ngl i still suck at lambda functions

nood\

[uneven sand]

https://tenor.com/view/money-mailbox-lambda-vince-mcmahon-chad-gif-22343421

[jaunty cove]

lambda male

[sinful locust]

anonymous function male

[uneven sand]

eigenvalue male

[agile yew]

implementation, no ?

[uneven sand]

@honest spire when amazon

[soft basin]

fuck linear alg

[soft basin]

esp svd

[uneven sand]

svd confusing af

[agile yew]

in my ds&a class we had to implement everything in C. it was painful for Heaps and i still managed to forget almost everything about heaps

[uneven sand]

When did you do OA

[sinful locust]

https://tenor.com/view/zo-crybaby-funny-selfie-gif-14225810

[uneven sand]

you might get final invite next week

usually it’s 1 week on a Monday

[soft basin]

ok sending final rn

[sinful locust]

https://tenor.com/view/incredibles-titan-incredibles-titan-incredibles-meme-the-incredibles-meme-gif-24953428

[agile yew]

@tired narwhal do i need a cover letter for jpmc

[uneven sand]

heaps in C isn’t too bad ig bc you just need an array

resizing is annoying tho

[tired narwhal]

No

Not to my knowledge

Or just write a very generic one

[uneven sand]

I never send cover letters lol

[soft basin]

youve gotta use realloc 😭

[tired narwhal]

I used to just submit blank pages

after my friend did it lol

[agile yew]

oh thats a good ide athanks

ill just send a corrupted pdf

[crisp berry]

which type of "heaps in C" are you talking about

[jaunty cove]

realloc isnt that bad when i used it b4

i guess buffer overflow is always a problem

[crisp berry]

idk why heap has two completely different uses in cs

[soft basin]

arent heaps a tree type of structure?

[crisp berry]

did none of you guys take dsa

[jaunty cove]

papernotes

[crisp berry]

heaps are implemented with an array, never a binary tree

[soft basin]

i took mine in c

but my prof drew out the heap like a tree

[sinful locust]

 PROT_READ | PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE | MAP_ANONYMOUS, 0, 0 );
memset(page, 0, N*sizeof(int));

[uneven sand]

yes but bc it’s a complete binary tree you can compress it to an array

[agile yew]

heaps are a tree

[jaunty cove]

the memory pools stack and heap are called that because they are similar to the data structures

[agile yew]

but a tree isnt a thing

[crisp berry]

they are implemented with an array becausse thats how you get the efficient operations

[agile yew]

in the end a tree is also just an array

[crisp berry]

well what i mean is like

[jaunty cove]

in the end everything is an array of 1s and 0s 🤓

[soft basin]

i mean not really

[crisp berry]

they wouldnt be implemented with nodes with pointers to toher nodes

[sinful locust]

not for heap lol
heap is segmented linked list in most implementations

glibc, slub/slab etc

[crisp berry]

heap is not similiar to the ds heap

[uneven sand]

you can implement with nodes but it’s not very efficient and is honestly harder to implement

[agile yew]

what is slub/slab?

[soft basin]

if a company i apply to requires cover letters i dont aply

[jaunty cove]

its a pile of shit

[sinful locust]

linux kernel dynamic allocation algorithm https://lwn.net/Articles/229984/

[jaunty cove]

trees are graphs by definition

[soft basin]

yes thats already a given

a tree is a simple graph without cycles

LMAO

[jaunty cove]

every cloud has a silver lining

[soft basin]

a negative and positive cancel each other out

[uneven sand]

why do you have the walrus operator in your name

[soft basin]

the queen dying is the positive

[jaunty cove]

:=

[crisp berry]

does simple mean connected

cuz it has to be connected

[sinful locust]

go, ocaml, or pascal?

[soft basin]

good question im not good with definitions

[sinful locust]

:= has a different meaning for each

[uneven sand]

why OCaml

[jaunty cove]

python

[sinful locust]

:=

[uneven sand]

unless you’re using cringe references

[sly sparrow]

yo so i've a phone interview (for an internship role) on monday any tips on how i should prepare

[jaunty cove]

also i thought the heap was actually implemented somewhat like a heap 💀

[sinful locust]

tsk tsk := is not pure

[uneven sand]

imperative programming in OCaml is cursed

[sinful locust]

why
just read glibc source or source of any malloc implementation

[uneven sand]

no

[jaunty cove]

cause the walrus operator is used in proofs a lot as assignment

[sly sparrow]

💀

[uneven sand]

Bloomberg even takes high school seniors

[soft basin]

bloomberg has same process for new grad and intern

[sinful locust]

🤢

[zealous trail]

???

[jaunty cove]

this is my line of reasoning->stack is implemented like a stack. i dont know how heap is implemented. it must be implemented like a heap 🤡

[uneven sand]

when you get amazon final invite, you get a form to put availability for the next 2 weeks

[sinful locust]

scheduling algorithm

FCFS

[uneven sand]

I think for hs seniors it’s just nyc high schools

[jaunty cove]

is it worth doing that to understand C

[hallow scroll]

yeah they do that

[uneven sand]

It’s usually stuy

lol

[sinful locust]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-villain-chair-spin-suave-cool-gif-4559758

🧠 i use multi-level feedback queue for schedule my interviews

[uneven sand]

they def take freshmen and sophomores from my school and i don’t go to a cracked school

[zealous trail]

Why does it matter if it’s a guy? I’m so lost

[agile yew]

wait do i graduate in 2025?

[sinful locust]

no it is if you're learning how to hack

[agile yew]

how do these companies know when im going to graduate, besides what i tell them ?

because ppl graduate at all sorts of diff times

[jaunty cove]

i am going to be writing a lot of C for an embedded internship soon i think it might be a good idea

[uneven sand]

I got offer last year with no internships, no t20 school, and soph grad date so it’s def possible

[sinful locust]

most vulnerabilities are programmers using heap wrong these days so any hacker knows em well

[agile yew]

theres not much to understand about C

[jaunty cove]

thats not true

[hallow scroll]

I overslept for my bloomberg interview

[sinful locust]

nah just do an embedded project

[agile yew]

c is the easiest language to learn colin davis

[jaunty cove]

just because the standard library is tiny doesnt mean C is extremely hard to learn

[sinful locust]

true

[agile yew]

c isnt extremely hard to learn tho

[jaunty cove]

its easy to know the syntax

[uneven sand]

brainfuck is easier to learn

[agile yew]

its extremely easy to get very very wrong

[sinful locust]

make bare metal microkernel

[agile yew]

but thats like... php as well

[jaunty cove]

learning a language isnt just knowing the syntax and standard library

[uneven sand]

make Linux 2

[sinful locust]

no lol

[jaunty cove]

its knowing how to write efficient safe programs in that language

which isnt easy in C

[uneven sand]

C++ smart pointers

[sinful locust]

just use rust then

[agile yew]

it is too much effort

std::weak_ptr or std::auto_ptr or whatever

meh i cba

[warped dagger]

DriedCoconut asks: did you get conf email after applying to atlassian?

[jaunty cove]

once you write a big project in C you will understand why people like rust

[uneven sand]

isn’t it unique and shared now

I think they changed the names in one of the versions

[agile yew]

oh ye unique and shared

my C++ is just C with classes bro i dont know these things 🤣

[zealous trail]

Yes

[jaunty cove]

1. i cant change the teck stack of the company and 2. just cause rust is memory safe doesnt mean C is obsolete

[zealous trail]

Unique shared weak

[sinful locust]

abstract data types, exhaustive pattern matching, removing entire classes of bugs, higher order functions, memory safety, compiler makes crossplatform binaries that perform well
imagine never seeing null pointer dereference ever again

[uneven sand]

what’s weak

I’ve never used it

[zealous trail]

It’s a non owning shared ptr that can be converted to a shared ptr

[uneven sand]

rust compiler is really good bc of the strong memory safety design

[sinful locust]

and ownership model fixes issues with dynamic allocations

[agile yew]

u use it to pass around things afaik

[sinful locust]

basically RAII but compiler enforced

[uneven sand]

so shared ptr but doesn’t increase ref count?

[agile yew]

like if ur using unique ptr i dont think u can pass it around

[zealous trail]

Yes but u can’t use it unless u convert and it’s an atomic operation to convert

[astral dew]

Woahhhh

[agile yew]

it has to stay with its current owner or whatever

[jaunty cove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOB7-B2MfwA

[uneven sand]

yea you have to move unique

[agile yew]

whats even the point of smar tpointers though

[sinful locust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jecoX-bp5c4

[zealous trail]

Reduce bugs

[jaunty cove]

so you dont shoot yourself in the foot

[uneven sand]

so you don’t have to manually free

[agile yew]

just store pointers to all ur pointers in a linked list and free them at the end))

[uneven sand]

which is a source of many bugs

[sinful locust]

not good enough lol

[sinful locust]

dynamic allocation
use after free, double free, incorrect refcount, overflows, underflows and more

[zealous trail]

I mean it’s clearly good enough to be used widely

[uneven sand]

just download more ram

[sinful locust]

being used widely != good
look at all security risks of PHP and JS

[safe minnow]

I just remembered our prof telling us that raw pointers will never be loved when introducing smart pointers

[zealous trail]

I mean not every language is perfect? I’d imagine rust isn’t either

[sinful locust]

thats not what you said though

[zealous trail]

I’m confused. I’d say something is good if it does the job and is so widely applied. Like it’s a good tool for the task

[uneven sand]

Rust is too strict some times

makes code quality a night mare

[zealous trail]

Idk what your baseline is for applying “good” tho

Apparently it’s rust

[sinful locust]

what if it makes the task harder by introducing bugs like bad typing and null dereference that are annoying to debug

[uneven sand]

I think cpp smart pointers are good enough

[zealous trail]

Okay but some tasks are hard? Like are you just saying c++ is inherently bad? Bad would make me think nobody should use it

[uneven sand]

cpp has inherent flaws but you can’t have everything

[agile yew]

what else is there to learn in C++ for someone who only knows C pretty much

[uneven sand]

@rustic topaz que pasa

[zealous trail]

I’d say good enough means ppl should use it, or otherwise it’s bad. That’s my assessment of the two labels

[uneven sand]

generics

[agile yew]

in lowest amount of time possible

[sinful locust]

things aren't used because they are good or bad, they are used because the cost of switching to something newer is too high
I love using a language that requires me to debug issues unrelated to the logic of my code said no developer ever

[agile yew]

like templates ?

[uneven sand]

yea

cpp templates are insanely powerful

[agile yew]

yea templates are cool

[zealous trail]

Fair enough so you think cpp shouldn’t be used for anything to be clear

[uneven sand]

iirc they’re turing complete

[zealous trail]

Ye

[sinful locust]

if you have a choice no
it is very easy to write bad code in C++

[uneven sand]

Maine coon

@rustic topaz what did you get señor

[agile yew]

what do u suggest then

that is nearly as good

[oak kite]

it was a joke

[sinful locust]

rust

[agile yew]

who the fuck has time to learn rust

[zealous trail]

I don’t disagree with the second one.

[uneven sand]

bruh just read cppreference and git gud

[zealous trail]

[agile yew]

rust is maybe the most confusing syntax i have seen

*has

[uneven sand]

rust is cool but writing a huge project in it looks painful

[sinful locust]

not really

[uneven sand]

it’s not that different than a lot of fp languages

[agile yew]

what ?

[olive gyro]

yea at least for me. I got lucky since I solved a very similar question before I think

[uneven sand]

functional programming

[agile yew]

ive not looked at it much but it doestn seem similar at all

well ive only done lisp

[uneven sand]

like I learned OCaml first and going to Rust from that was easy

[sinful locust]

how less bugs
if anything using c++ is harder - you can still have type confusion, dynamic allocation misuse, null pointer dereference, segmentation faults and way more shit

[uneven sand]

the whole mutable borrowing thing is annoying if I know it’s single threaded

[sinful locust]

yes it takes a lot from ocaml - like removing null dereferences and exhaustive pattern matching to prevent you from writing bugs
the Rust compiler was written in Ocaml originally

[oak kite]

yeah but the trade off is you turn into an alpha male

[jaunty cove]

that must be why the ocaml compiler reminds me a lot of the rust compiler

[sinful locust]

more time debugging => beta

[uneven sand]

rust compiler is in rust now

[sinful locust]

segfaults are more annoying

[olive gyro]

It's something like
a[i][j] = a[i - 1][j] + a[i][j - 1]
And you build a up in two loops

[sinful locust]

yes

[uneven sand]

pulled itself up by the bootstraps 🤠

[agile yew]

why are people learning ocaml ?

[jaunty cove]

start with a really easy one on LC like

i forget the name

[jaunty cove]

bc its kind of epic

[soft basin]

longest common subsequence

[sinful locust]

yeah it was made from programming languages research
imagine phds getting together to design a language good for developers then industry using something made in a weekend
lots of research is done in ocaml

[agile yew]

wtf

i thought just jane street

[jaunty cove]

Lmaoo

[oak kite]

hrt requires only python and cpp

[jaunty cove]

no

[agile yew]

I am fucked if every hft is asking ocaml

[jaunty cove]

hes trolling you even jane street recommends not using ocaml

[olive gyro]

yea I got all pass

[jaunty cove]

sry salat i felt bad

[oak kite]

hfts actually require you to leetcode in assembly

[zealous trail]

Can confirm

[olive gyro]

Wasn't at least doing it in brute force way easy though?

[zealous trail]

Forgot x86 atomic instructions and failed

[sinful locust]

hfts require FPGA programming

[oak kite]

nah they just want you to use red stone in minecraft

[zealous trail]

Hfts require high level stats too

[oak kite]

survival mode only

[agile yew]

that isnt so much a joke is it

u gotta do Random Processes at least

[zealous trail]

It’s literally a joke

At least to be a dev

It’s a complete misconception

[olive gyro]

Huh okay. yea idk maybe we had different questions cause for me brute force was O(n^4) and took me like 3 mins to code up.

[agile yew]

oh

so the stats is for QR?

[zealous trail]

Yeah or trading

I got a C+ in intro stats no quant firms for me

[jaunty cove]

codesignal still sent samsara the unproctored 840 so idk if they will get to see the proctored 848 ???

so weird

ig it doesnt matter

[agile yew]

what did you learn in intro stats

[zealous trail]

Idk I got a C+

So not much

[jaunty cove]

same

[zealous trail]

It was like. Hypothesis tests and stuff

[jaunty cove]

im retaking it 💀

[zealous trail]

Confidence intervals

[jaunty cove]

genuinely did not go to a single lecture or section just showed up to the final

why did u delete that

[warped dagger]

Krishna Das ❄ asks: ban deleting messages

[sullen grail]

What do u need on karat to advance for palantir? I did p decemt on algo analysis and then fully solved 2 and gave brute force for 3. Interviewer said i did well but idk

[agile yew]

any other resume based companies besides jpmc?

[jaunty cove]

all of them

[agile yew]

where resume > lc or lc = 0% resume = 100%

[woeful lynx]

I am waiting too…

I am Not ready for disappointment 😂

[slow quarry]

why does everything seem so dead this year

i remmeber the season back literally everything was popping in process cghannels

[earnest hatch]

It's not dead for internships, interviews usually begin this month and later

[slow quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/dying-monkey-dying-gif-13123180

[static spindle]

i feel like most companies are resume based lmao

[tribal lion]

https://tenor.com/view/money-rain-thank-you-money-conor-mc-gregor-make-it-rain-gif-14416503

[sullen grail]

B

Idk if i should redo or not am on a time crunch

[golden tusk]

Schedule a redo and they’ll cancel it if you’re good enough

Also you should be good from what I’ve seen

[brisk forge]

Is it $150 per hour or for a fixed length of time(ie: 2 months)?

Gotcha

[jaunty cove]

i fked up that imc video thing bad

like i answered all the questions with good content but not in a composed way

[slow quarry]

diod u get the email that inteviewer sent karat results to palantir

[tardy orbit]

How hard is Hubspot oa

[clever grail]

[sinful locust]

does stripe oa count time?

i only got 3 so far mostly ghosted

ive never gotten offer from an oa

[lean pewter]

Gotta keep trying, I didn’t get much offers until I shotgunned

[sinful locust]

so you aint missing out on doing 1-3 hour tests for no response

for zon i failed oa and still got offer lmao

they just moved me to propel

idk ive never done codesignal

should i try?

[hallow scroll]

If you have faang or target yeah sure

[sinful locust]

very good

does hrt go to your school?

thats how you know if its target

like your career fair

idk i dont leetcode grind anymore
amazon was sophmore year back when i did leetcode

then you are target my g

[tired narwhal]

2 questions solved working

u can request a redo -> and if u did well, the redo doesn't need to happen, ur recruiter lyk

[earnest hatch]

I like this new Workday update, looks cleaner and I don't have to see all the rejected apps anymore

[woeful lynx]

You applied 45 times at slack?

[earnest hatch]

Salesforce

[woeful lynx]

Or why are there 45 in active?

Oh ok

What bothers me is that I have to create a new account for every company that uses workday…

Couldn’t I use a single account? 🥲🥲

[jaunty cove]

i bet most companies toss out everything under 800 or so anf then resume screen

[marsh tartan]

@fallen tide

[jaunty cove]

800 is a placeholder

my idea is passing the threshhokd by a lot doesnt matter

[woeful lynx]

I have 808 🥲

[jaunty cove]

Ya

[woeful lynx]

If it doesn’t matter why do they let us do it 🥲 hope not just for fun

[tired narwhal]

nah def not

[wooden shard]

I got reject hrt with 840 f

[sick oar]

guys

[sinful locust]

does time count for stripe oa?

or hackerranks in general?

fuck

[jaunty cove]

Lol

[tired narwhal]

i think matters more if u solve lol

i dont worry bout time haha

[marsh tartan]

@fallen tide us

[sinful locust]

cmu

[earnest hatch]

Freshman?

[sinful locust]

n3 ur at yalr right

[earnest hatch]

Oh wait your name literally says your standing

[sinful locust]

mid schools ^_^

stanford mit berk?

[devout jewel]

I go to mid school

I got interviews at most places

[fallen tide]

Nothing is top

[devout jewel]

Just got grind

ez

just do project, leetcode, and network

[sinful locust]

chimi also has 4 internships before junior year

no offer + ratio + L school

[devout jewel]

lmao different guy

not me

I’m chimi fan

[marsh tartan]

chimi?

[fallen tide]

who's chimi then ?

[devout jewel]

just foreign legend

[zealous trail]

True

Is top just mit and Stan lol

I’ll meet him someday. Or not

Ooh true true

[dusk kayak]

what is this beef bro I'm crying

this is so funny

[hallow scroll]

fr

mfers beefing over school name

[fallen tide]

bruh ru from IIT ?

[dusk kayak]

just go to target like me

[marsh tartan]

no

[dusk kayak]

Gigachad activity if we're being honest

[hallow scroll]

n3 living troll

[dusk kayak]

the bench convo is murdering me

i love this chat

[uneven sand]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-silly-crazy-emoji-gif-23876320

[zealous trail]

What u bench tho

[dusk kayak]

me? 205

weak fella

LMAO

[jaunty cove]

n3 u were right abt all count subarray dp problems are a relationship about the number of subarrays ending at index i

it seems like always a good thjng to think about at least

[zealous trail]

Chad hominem

That’s so fucking good

[jaunty cove]

r u talking sbout the thing i posted 3 hours ago where it said “no online assessments?”

[shadow shard]

whats the DP recurrence relation for getting a gf

[zealous trail]

Go outside

[dusk kayak]

Chad hominem

[shadow shard]

can you please write that in function notation

or using matrix subscripts

[zealous trail]

No

Go outside

[shadow shard]

so something like outside[go] = gf?

[jaunty cove]

@jolly spade def f(is_inside) return !is_inside

cache to make it really go faster

[shadow shard]

dont be likem e

[static spindle]

goldman sachs math OA had linalg 🤮 🤮 🤮

[dusk kayak]

2sum?

[zealous trail]

That’s cuz interns dont get return offers anyway

[shadow shard]

i wish interviews were just u and the interviewer going shot for shot and seeing who passes out first

[zealous trail]

Cap on a stack

[dusk kayak]

like me fr

[hallow scroll]

how to get amazon?

[zealous trail]

Wut u wouldn’t take summer cit out of spite?

Lol

[jaunty cove]

did you get the oa

yet

[hallow scroll]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/960212502828965988/995457841836085288/beantyping.gif

[zealous trail]

Literally just leetcode

[jaunty cove]

why are u asking

[static spindle]

mood

[hallow scroll]

no

[jaunty cove]

if you got rejected why do u wanna do tagged💀

[tepid moat]

Does reapplying with a different email ever work?

[sullen grail]

Lets goo

A note from your recruiter:
"Hi, based on your initial interview, we are intending to progress you in our process and I will be in touch with you shortly."

That feedback was fast af

Palantir

[jaunty cove]

citadel

[sullen grail]

I did karat literally 2 hrs ago

I alr botched citadel final

I didnt do well

[woeful lynx]

How many problems did you solve?

[sullen grail]

First 2 were good. 3rd interview j didnt know what dude as asking

[zealous trail]

Imagine wanting to work for citadel

I don’t have to imagine

[sullen grail]

Beasted on algo analysis. Solved 2 and gave verbal for q3

[zealous trail]

Because I want to

[jaunty cove]

i want to work for citadel cause the girl on their front page is attractive

[tepid moat]

Same, I am thinking of reapplying with different email, do you think that can work?

[jaunty cove]

no

[woeful lynx]

Damn… I didn’t get that email… was this because you wanted to click the retake button?

[shadow shard]

i failed 2/3 for cit onsite and they moved me to additional technical round xD

[clear dome]

LOL youre good

speaking of citadel though...

[past comet]

630ish

why ?

[clear dome]

anyone know how long before i should send a follow up? recruiter asked for my availability for first round, i sent it in last friday, but still havent heard back 😔

[sullen grail]

Yea someone suggested i j sched retake and they’ll cancel for me if i did good enough. But it wont let me retake

Berk

[clear dome]

uhh its an average state school but i think my experience makes up for it

wait yeah LMAO

[sullen grail]

Oh fr? How long did u hear back after final? I had final this week ended thurs. But i legit did not know the os stuff he was talking abt im taking os rn

[clear dome]

n3 i thtink i met you actually

[sullen grail]

Idt they do interns

[clear dome]

lemme dm

[jaunty cove]

anyone got any cool respurces for learning about jvm

[shadow shard]

1 wk exactly

[torn gull]

where is this from>

LP study time

fr

[dusk kayak]

good morning

[torn gull]

depends on interviewer

[jaunty cove]

People fail to solve the q and they still pass sometimes

[torn gull]

hav u taken oa yet?

[jaunty cove]

plus the hards arent hard iirc

[torn gull]

lmaooo i alr did it as well

i just took survey to schedule final

yday

glad u did well on ur oa tho lmfao

[elfin peak]

A few days I think

[torn gull]

no fr

some of my friends have gotten hards on OA

some have gotten below easies

i hated the question format tho

too much reading comprehension for me

go aggies

they waitlisted me

[torn gull]

anteaters***

[jaunty cove]

People need to really learn to respect Amazon and Bezos here. No other company gives opportunities to literally everyone in tech like Amazon

[torn gull]

People need to really learn to respect Amazon and Bezos here. No other company gives opportunities to literally everyone in tech like Amazon

[sinful locust]

People need to really learn to respect Amazon and Bezos here. No other company gives opportunities to literally everyone in tech like Amazon

[torn gull]

lmao you all are silly af

rip us

go bears tho

[sick oar]

People need to really learn to respect Amazon and Bezos here. No other company gives opportunities to literally everyone in tech like Amazon

the hard part of tech is getting past resume screen

[shadow shard]

the hardest part of tech is figuring out what kdrama i should watch next

[jaunty cove]

u probably just need patience

it appears rly random

they do

[torn gull]

hardest part w amazon is actually getting oa, that's like half the process

[jaunty cove]

pretty low considering how much they pay

[soft basin]

amazon has 2 diff referrals one type is yeah i met them and one type is yeah ik them irl and they are great problem solvers

[jaunty cove]

Most random companies have a harder process

Amazon is solve two rng lc questions get final solve another rng lc question get a nice job

[devout fractal]

zoox pls manifest, pls zoox

idt referral for amzn does anything, they can't even schedule ppl on time

[earnest hatch]

They don't they can just afford to take on a lot more interns than other companies. Some people get Two Sum or get lucky with their interviewers and get easy, then they assume it's that way for everyone else. 🤦‍♂️

[soft basin]

then they are probs gonna go with the first one meaning its a useless referral

[devout fractal]

doubt they have time to look at referrals lol

[torn gull]

i would assume there would be some sort of tag/label on an applicant that was referred

where the referral program merges w the student programs site

but just guessing

if u remember getting hit in the head by a falling curtain rod

u shld be fine

[jaunty cove]

If your bleeding and or dont stop feeling dizzy after a few min

[sick oar]

whos getting an iphone 14 pro max

[torn gull]

art students

photographers

[soft basin]

the 14 has the same cpu as my current phone

[torn gull]

when did this happen?

[sick oar]

yo i'm an art student

[vivid tartan]

?

[torn gull]

hm i would say if nothing happens until tmr morning u shld be good

[kind sable]

at least u got an offer

[torn gull]

i had a concussion once, and it only hit hard 5-6 hours after

[kind sable]

lol yeah

[torn gull]

1 is all u need

[torn gull]

f

[sick oar]

:(

[crisp berry]

same

[devout fractal]

same

unless a company responds back to me, they don't exist

it's faang

:/

[torn gull]

so u can know ur game stats

[crisp berry]

would i be able to pass screens for google/meta/quant after

[devout fractal]

[crisp berry]

so is it really that good on resume

[torn gull]

i think it's more a cred thing

[crisp berry]

wdym

[torn gull]

not necessarily a wow factor

[crisp berry]

i did perfect on hrt oa but got ghosted

[torn gull]

having an amazon internship on ur resume as opposed to a random startup gives u cred

[torn gull]

oa is automated

[soft basin]

id take c1 new grad

cuz i hate lc and all that

id still take their new grad

my bare min is 100k per year with tech

with beginning swe

lean 😍

[oak kite]

boston?

you can live in nj to avoid city tax

[slow quarry]

No

[soft basin]

seattle is more than enough for me

[slow quarry]

IOI IMO people with perfect goas is not everyone in quant finance

[oak kite]

people who get big n internships can get hired by quants regardless of school or gpa

[torn gull]

sf weather is 50% gloomy, south bay weather is nice

u hv to seperate south bay and sf

[oak kite]

yes if you get a big n internship

[torn gull]

strictly talking abt weather

[slow quarry]

Yes if u have prior big tech experience some firms will give u a chance?

[torn gull]

seattle is boring, and bad weather

LA is just bad

sf is bad

austin is bad

and hot

boston is bad

nyc is good

that is all

[slow quarry]

Obv not all but it gets easier the more experience u get in big tech + experienced roles to get an interview

[torn gull]

nyc for post-grad, south bay for settling down

[oak kite]

y boston bad

[torn gull]

^the only way

[oak kite]

they are really liberal with oas for traders

[slow quarry]

Brother I know at non targets at a good amt of these firms no IMO ICPC WF and some who have interviews for some firms including me without that Olympiad exp and perfect gpa

I should prolly prep for IMC final jfc

One hit wonder chance

[torn gull]

just a worse version of nyc

[oak kite]

lower cost of living

[torn gull]

and rightly so

[oak kite]

lol

[torn gull]

i live in south bay, go to sf p often, sf is asssss

[oak kite]

also these freshmen need to stop speculating on what companies want lmfao

[torn gull]

now im at berkeley, and go to sf p often

stil assssss

sf is 90% homeless

[slow quarry]

A preschooler perhaps

[torn gull]

sf shuts down at 9 pm

sf is a ghost town by sunset

[oak kite]

like cs isn't like finance where you're gated by gpa and school

[torn gull]

100%

[slow quarry]

Winning/doing well in olympiads gives an indication you can thrive in a hard/competitive environment and a good amt of those people are very good at what they do which is what firms like ; however there are many more ways to demonstrate this eg. 1+ FAANG+ internships is the "easiest" way to get noticed

yes

i know multiple others with Amazon and they got OAs

a good amt

[soft basin]

u cant just have the name amazon on there and expect to be flooded with oas

[slow quarry]

ml for QT/SWE?

[torn gull]

more context is needed to assess your situation and pinpoint the issue

hell no

LP section is waiting just as much lol

nothing to do in sd

lol how do u know

ok, let's test you

[slow quarry]

SWE is mainly systems oriented ; u want the fastest system to perform operations on and the best software for ur traders

QT is a very wide field to get into since raw skill is everywhere so everyone and their mothers gets the oa ; u want good and fast raw skills which is where olympiads come in

QR is a mix of both the ML side of SWE and the actual market making side of QT; u want to build the best models and strats short/long term based on market conditions to help ur traders and predict effectively to make the most money

[jaunty cove]

idt u need to know much abt machine learning to do trading or quant swe

[torn gull]

I do not mind disorderly spaces. OR I try to plan ahead

Most Like me <> More Like Me <> More Like Me <> Most Like Me

[near swallow]

Listen to dracos on this one

[torn gull]

answer

[slow quarry]

probability important for QT/QR not SWE

[crisp berry]

more like me

[torn gull]

in which direction

[near swallow]

he's not saying any of you don't have a chance or amazon kids have no chance
he's saying "this is how you maximize probability"

[dusk kayak]

listen to kirb on this one

[near swallow]

go check out the linkedin employee demogrpahics lolz

why would you ever think quants are not the best of the best

[torn gull]

nice

[slow quarry]

they're all target schools and/or olympiad performance and/or previous big tech/unicorn experience and/or grad school research

[torn gull]

that's what i put

next question

[slow quarry]

notice the OR statement

[near swallow]

i still think the ones who are really cut out for quant are not on this server lol, they have a niche group to fill them in on steps
if you're here and want easisest path, do swe @ quant

less hours for good money

[slow quarry]

easiest path is variable

[near swallow]

tru, u know more than i do about that

[torn gull]

good reasoning, that is good

[slow quarry]

all 3 are hard to do but QT's run the world second to QR's third to bitchboy SWE in order of money made

[torn gull]

I approach changes more cautiously than others (Most Like Me or More Like Me) OR
I adjust my normal approach when a situation requires it. (Most Like Me or More Like Me)

answer

2/2

good job

I tend to argue a point for a long time. OR I sometimes lose my motivation when work gets complicated.

[slow quarry]

u can search blind/levels for this

[torn gull]

3/3

[slow quarry]

but its multitudes of FAANG

[hardy patrol]

when did any company give you an offer on a saturday

[slow quarry]

church

[torn gull]

I feel overwhelmed for a while when I know I have taken on too much work. OR
I usually perform well under pressure, even though I do not like it.

[hardy patrol]

thats sunday bruh wrong day

[torn gull]

4/4

[slow quarry]

its 7am in india techncially

[crisp berry]

to apply to zoom they email you a verification code first

but i didnt get one

[soft basin]

sounds like a skill issue

[torn gull]

I do not like looking for new ways to do things, but I will if necessary. OR
I know that if i take the time to practice a skill I am not good at, I will improve.

^last question

if u get it right

u shld be good to go

yup

5/5

u shld be good

if u applied the same reasoning to other Qs

when did u take OA?

[slow quarry]

imc started u off at 300ish, cit starts u off at 400ish, js 400-500ish all these top firms will start u off at 300-500ish and increases with negotiation

[torn gull]

i took OA 8/24, and got final invite 9/9 so 16 days of waitaing

lmao

u gotta wait a bit lol

ya i think u shld be good

yep yep

i scheduled my final for 9/22 or 9/23, so gotta grindddddd

but also got 2 midterms bfore that rip

it depends hella ppl applying to amazon recently

but shld still be fine

lmao

only company not on hiring freeze

amzn always hiring

if u want google or fb junior summer

apply to step and meta uni respectively

[hardy patrol]

you have a return offer or anything

[torn gull]

instead of lying abt grad date

for companies that u wanna work for junior summer

don't lie abt grad date

[safe minnow]

Wait why is this

[slow quarry]

rejected steo rehected MU

got FB swe

[naive kayak]

do yall know the deadline for the imc oa?

[slow quarry]

dont rely on underclassmen programs if ur not a URM change ur grad date

[soft mist]

amazon is more reliable than getting into underclassmen programs

[torn gull]

fb is more reliable than meta uni

[soft mist]

yea pretty much

[slow quarry]

ghosted palantir path got palantir swe interview ghosted duo thrive got duo swe oa/interview to add on to this

[dusk kayak]

just get Amazon freshman year instead

[slow quarry]

they target URM people and most ppl that know abt these programs are significantly motivated and a good chunk of motivated people are going to be at target schools ofc

u can see the same thing at big tech swe

[torn gull]

amazon APP was almost all mit/berkeley eecs kids

shit was crazy

[slow quarry]

naw those programs arent school exclusive in any way

its just that the ppl who know abt these ones are motivated than avg and u dont usually get above avg motivation at university of wyoming compared to ucla berk perhaps cmu etc

yep basically what i said

[oak kite]

i think most people in berk and stanford aren't that insane lol...

especially berk

[slow quarry]

much better than me ofc

[oak kite]

you mean you were normal?

nah bro i come from the east coast

where the acceptance bar for berk is way higher*

not true

look at average SAT of out of state vs average SAT in state

yeah

my hs at most accepts 3 or 4 kids into berkeley

out of 275

half of them are ones that got into better schools

nah dude it's honestly not that competitive

you have access to more opportunities to boost your college app

in exchange for higher competition

yeah which is why there's a balance

not really lol

unless you go to magnet school

or private school

[soft mist]

r u from monte vista, gunn, msj, or dougherty valley

[oak kite]

you could still transfer

if you really wanted

[jaunty cove]

lol

[dusk kayak]

i wish i could graduate

[wooden shard]

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Otherwise, we wish you the best in your future employment search.```

what does it mean they cant hire in current location? im from the US

[oak kite]

maybe you accidentally filled the application wrong

[dusk kayak]

like i love college but man some of these classes are meme asf

[earnest hatch]

They might not be able to hire from certain states

[slow quarry]

they wont hire u remotely from ur current state but if u can do in person relocatiopn let them know

[wooden shard]

Ok bet thx

[true glade]

isnt this every school

depends on your definition of insane

[random mauve]

Hb harvard

[oak kite]

more than a third of harvards class are harvard legacy

another third are people who are URMs that have really good stats and really good extracurriculars (not mind boggling insane olympics level)

and then the rest are actual gods usually at one thing whether it be sports, chess, or any hobby while having top of the line stats (usually valedictorian or top 10 at a large competitive public school)

at least in my experience

[sinful locust]

https://discord.gg/XUvcZ2ZSRS

[kind sable]

no

[sinful locust]

we need more nefews

why are u in this server when u already have offer

go back to amazon

[coarse vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/pieceofmani-he-is-not-reading-his-ass-is-not-reading-gif-25661860

[turbid marten]

Im trying to do the amazon oa rn

I need a student ID
I dont have my card yet
I have an online version iwthout my face tho

what do

[tired narwhal]

u dont got a passport or anything

[soft basin]

the oa didnt even ask for a pic of my id

when i took it

[turbid marten]

I do have a passport

[tired narwhal]

yeh just use it

wont rlly matter too much

[turbid marten]

alr thanks

[tired narwhal]

in rlly rlly rlly rlly doubt they check it

[soft basin]

when does amazon start background check for interns?

[hardy patrol]

are you nervous do you have something to hide

[soft basin]

nah im just curious for when they are gonna send the email abt it

[hardy patrol]

/srs

internships in other cities really blow like i always meet cool ass interns and have fun for like 3 months before we all scatter around america

my contacts are a graveyard of interns ive met