2023_summer

[ivory ocean]

ig

[devout fractal]

Ig maybe it's their version of saying under review lol

[sick oar]

yea it means transferred to recruiter

this is what i see

not explore me thinks

[ivory ocean]

wonder how long it'll say transferred

[sick oar]

until they review

probably a few weeks

[weak wadi]

weeks or months

[ivory ocean]

like will they review today

tomorrow

[sick oar]

who knows

[weak wadi]

some people never get a step after

[devout fractal]

I saw someone with transferred for both explore and swe, so that would make sense

[weak wadi]

and they get rejected in may

[sick oar]

i didn't apply for swe

[ivory ocean]

oh fuck

[devout fractal]

Oh

[ivory ocean]

I would hate it being open til may

[sick oar]

@karmic sedge what does ur thing show i'm curious

[ivory ocean]

Imagine you scheduled your amz final for 3 days from now and amz said "no confirmation email bub"

[sick oar]

microsoft is pretty good w rejecting

[karmic sedge]

for msft?

[ivory ocean]

@hallow scroll are you n bog still doing BS?

[sick oar]

yea

[devout fractal]

There's a msft team that does internal recruiting at a club im in, so I'm hoping that even if I get ghosted or rejected for this, I can try again through that route in December lol

[sick oar]

explore

[karmic sedge]

one sec lemme pull it up

[weak wadi]

you only get one pipeline per season btw

so choose between explore, swe & pm, once you get moved forward in one the others get locked

[sick oar]

oh fr? so if they like your resume you choose

[weak wadi]

nope

[fickle ivy]

wait i accidentally applied to

explore and swe

what do

[weak wadi]

the recruiter will slap you in one and then if you want to move you have to email them

[karmic sedge]

2nd one is explore

[fickle ivy]

ok

[simple swift]

Gets locked until you get rejected, no?

[sick oar]

oh hm ok mine is same

[karmic sedge]

bruh what

[sick oar]

guess it's explore

[versed kestrel]

@sick oar mine says explore on it

[ivory ocean]

i am gonna refresh msft app portal all day

[sick oar]

at this point who knows

ill just check it eventually again

i didn't wanna apply for swe cuz i don't wanna leetcode

it's explore or pm for me lol

explore interview ez

[fickle ivy]

i see this

[karmic sedge]

isnt explore hard to get interview tho

[sick oar]

yea me too

[fickle ivy]

is fy23

explore?

first year.. 23?

[sick oar]

no

[weak wadi]

theres only 300 explore interns

[sick oar]

fiscal year 2023

[fickle ivy]

oh

[weak wadi]

a few thousand swe interns

[hallow scroll]

yea

[fickle ivy]

so does this mean im in

[weak wadi]

1-2 i think

[fickle ivy]

explore

[sick oar]

i don't believe this

[weak wadi]

[fickle ivy]

or no

[sick oar]

there's 15 at my school lmao

[proud whale]

idk if i should apply for explore n stuff lol i feel like i'd rather just do swe

[past comet]

Some recruiter posted that we will get to know our application status in 90 days (msft recruiter)

[sick oar]

they can uplevel it's just an in

[hallow scroll]

no

[weak wadi]

should be only 300

in the US

[hallow scroll]

everyones app gets transferred

[fickle ivy]

oh

[karmic sedge]

wait what does targeted recruiter mean

[weak wadi]

other nations get their own headcount

[proud whale]

cause i qualify for step meta U explore etc but i feel like resume val is less

[fickle ivy]

is there a way for me to find out which one im in

or will they prioritize explore bc im

young

[sick oar]

if u do fbu interview and do well they'll give u swe

with an easier interview

[proud whale]

no way? where'd u hear that

[sick oar]

someone posted on linkedin a while back

they're a 2025 swe this summer

applied to fbu and got upleveled

[proud whale]

🤔

[sick oar]

so i'd rec

explore is straight up behavioral only i think

[fickle ivy]

rlly?

plz put me in explore

[sick oar]

if program manager comes out before i hear back from explore i might just withdraw and reapply for program manager

we

will see what happens

[noble ore]

theres some basic technical questions for explore

but they're mad easy

[karmic sedge]

isnt swe interview easier to get than explore

[sick oar]

yea

idk i have faang alr i'm hoping they want me for explore LOL

[karmic sedge]

ah ic

[noble ore]

last year i think they asked me how to reverse a string lol

[sick oar]

but honestly who knows

[noble ore]

still got rejected

[karmic sedge]

im freshman so im just hoping to get an interview

[versed kestrel]

wtf

[gleaming tangle]

do i apply fr both swe and explore ? is that alright ?

[sick oar]

why lol

did u fail the behavioral

[noble ore]

theres a lot of kids from my school/region that apply to explore and i did pretty mid on behavioral

thats my thoughts

[fickle ivy]

what school

[sick oar]

california?

LMAO

[fickle ivy]

ucb?

[noble ore]

nc triangle area

[sick oar]

oh yea same thing almost

[fickle ivy]

dook

[sick oar]

duke, unc, etc

[fickle ivy]

gt

maybe

or penn

[sick oar]

uc irvine is technically in that region

[hallow scroll]

yoo another nc person

[sick oar]

yo wait

NC ppl

i just saw the nc recruiter on linkedin

[noble ore]

when i applied last year they transferred my application to one with only NC applicants

[sick oar]

do u guys want me to link him

[fickle ivy]

is there a northeast

recruiter

[noble ore]

that would be helpful if u could

[ocean relic]

bruh didn’t get explore interview last year 😦

[fickle ivy]

😦

[karmic sedge]

anyone know wtf targeted recruiter means

[ocean relic]

Fk Microsoft

[fickle ivy]

wait @noble ore

u got the interview right

hmmm

[ocean relic]

Ignore all the Microsoft codes

Just internal hocus pocus

[karmic sedge]

lmao

[hallow scroll]

we need a psa for that

and which companies have auto oas

lol

[sick oar]

this is the same region

[fickle ivy]

yeah ig he was competing with gt kids

sad

[ocean relic]

GT can suck itself

[sick oar]

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6960261409804849152/

Here for you NC kids

[noble ore]

thanks

[ocean relic]

appreciate

[fickle ivy]

appreciate

[sick oar]

I saw another region

lemme find

Oh it's Texas and UC Irvine

[fickle ivy]

😮

[sick oar]

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/marissanleal_softwareengineers-engineers-microsoft-activity-6960296884049506304-Abu7?utm_source=linkedin_share&utm_medium=member_desktop_web

[fickle ivy]

i wonder if thers a guy for northeast

[sinful locust]

u got the job

[sick oar]

probably they just haven't posted about it on linkedin tho

these are all v recent so j keep an eye in the next few days

[karmic sedge]

lmfao

[sick oar]

and if you're in california

pray to the rng gods

bc there is WAYYY too many california applicants

[fickle ivy]

when you go to a school close to

harvard and MIT

pray to RNGesus

[sick oar]

msft has lowk low standards for ivy grads

i hate to say it

[royal sail]

Haven’t seen anyone recruit from Ohio yet😭

[pseudo shoal]

imagine not going to harvard/mit /s

[karmic sedge]

^

[sick oar]

idk look at linkedin

[fickle ivy]

elaborate

[gleaming tangle]

i have the same transfered status except it says Boston Hub instead of Targeted recruiter

[sick oar]

most of the ppl i've seen get msft are super involved in school

[karmic sedge]

no midwest posts from what i can see

[sick oar]

but not good internships

so 🤷

[fickle ivy]

like

so do i get better odds

[sick oar]

j like. involved. idk what to say

[fickle ivy]

lmao

[sick oar]

depends on ur recruiter prolly

[fickle ivy]

hmmm

[sick oar]

do u go to h/mit

[fickle ivy]

brown

[sick oar]

or pton

yea idk

not as big of an advantage im ngl

[fickle ivy]

yeah

[sick oar]

its mostly h/mit/pton

[fickle ivy]

but like

[sick oar]

not like brown is screwing your chances tho LMAO

[fickle ivy]

it feels like everyone here cops faang lmao

[fickle ivy]

yea haha

[sinful locust]

in reaity its hard

gotta grind

[fickle ivy]

yea

[sinful locust]

just spent 50 hours straight on a project

need to put in those hours

[fickle ivy]

nice job

[sick oar]

most of the explore or step ppl are ppl with previous experience or girls

[sinful locust]

thanks

[sick oar]

or minorities

[sinful locust]

💀

ayo

[sick oar]

i mean it makes sense

the whole point of the programs is diversity

[fickle ivy]

ppl with girls dont exist

[sick oar]

capture early talent

[fickle ivy]

girls dont exist

[sick oar]

fr

we're cs majors here

[honest spire]

bro 💀

[sick oar]

am i wrong

[fallen stratus]

is amazon OA automatic ?

or do they handpick

[honest spire]

it's not

[fallen stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/depression-sad-gif-14865417

[sick oar]

wait fr

[honest spire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/698729442209562658/1001688462983954534/F52D8D30-55EB-4348-9A23-EC9479C8289A.gif

[pseudo shoal]

@hearty river

[honest spire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/698729442209562658/994329296363601980/8E87ED57-0EC6-4164-BD26-EFCD34DA8311.gif

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-university-snail-going-on-my-way-omw-gif-5461800

@novel ledge

@north scroll so if i suddenly like the midwest i can work at microsoft ???

[sick oar]

swe or explore

LMAOOO shiit

r u like

ex-every unicorn

[ivory ocean]

dude

huge philosophical fight over whether a certain work item is following agile methods in our sprint planning rn

[white zinc]

explore and my atlanta swe intern app for microsoft just got transferred

[ivory ocean]

one guy said "we need all of this by end of year or we failed" other guy said "that's not agile, we shouldnt hold everything up to make sure this one thing succeeds"

begins argument

need me some popcorn

yeah

not really argument

debate

[sinful locust]

What position do you have DE Shaw interview?

[ivory ocean]

does not exist here

[hearty river]

@sinful locust

[sinful locust]

DId they take a few weeks to get back?

[ivory ocean]

ope nvm they clarified it

they agree now

yakunazon

ill dm

its too small for me to feel comfy sharing

yeah figured it doesnt matter that much lol

well theres like pms

[sick oar]

systems: program manager intern

[ivory ocean]

and managers

just no dude called a scrum master

[sinful locust]

What’s the proces is it like LC hards

[ivory ocean]

yeah

[sick oar]

I have no idea I hope it's not coding lmfao

[ivory ocean]

but basically one of them who is kinda the mos senior said the 100% thing

[sinful locust]

Are you a god on LC

[ivory ocean]

then the most senior engineer there said "thats not agile"

[sick oar]

recruiter said he'd send me more info closer to my interview

[ivory ocean]

debate ensues

[sick oar]

with the confirmation

[sinful locust]

How long it take to hear back?

[ivory ocean]

the original agile was engineer-lead only

[sinful locust]

I applied like 1.5 weeks ago

Am i rejected

[sick oar]

2 weeks

[ivory ocean]

thats what they follow, original agile manifesto

[sick oar]

I applied July 17

wait maybe earlier

[ivory ocean]

its since been twisted by management at most companies

[sick oar]

this

thats why being PM early is beneficial

W me

[ivory ocean]

yeah most places twisted the agile methods to include management more and hyper manage

[sick oar]

Yes

Most PM's NEED to have tech background

[ivory ocean]

original agile was literally named agile cuz it was less managed and more engineer independence

[sick oar]

Else u can't get the internships or full time jobs

[coarse marten]

@hallow scroll did you leave?

[stark basin]

I can't imagine a product manager in tech who can't do tech

I would die

[sick oar]

Full time or intern

You can get in full time with no tech background

Yeah at senior level

But entry level no

[hallow scroll]

was getting water

[sick oar]

The further up you go the easier it is to get into PM as long as you have PM experience

With no tech background at least

[coarse marten]

yes

depends

[ivory ocean]

PM sounds like the easiest shit

have people tell you stuff

then tell it to other people

[ocean relic]

i love telling people stuff

[ivory ocean]

like you're literally just a well paid phone

[sick oar]

lowk pm is pretty easy

[coarse marten]

can you communicate well?

[sick oar]

but you have to have backbone

be able to argue

[ivory ocean]

i generally hear that I can

[sick oar]

be able to think long term and strategically

[ivory ocean]

i guess most people in tech cant

[sick oar]

about a product

[sick oar]

yep.

[ivory ocean]

maybe I should go for PM

any PM internships open rn

[coarse marten]

G pm

Are there PMs at HFTs?

[sick oar]

not yet

[sick oar]

d.e. shaw

that's a hedge fund tho

intern wise^^

and then at 2sig and hrt

etc

ppl go from swe to pm

[ivory ocean]

once pm stuff opens i wanna go for it nw

I was a salesman for awhile

I developed my communication and argument skills there

[sick oar]

u work ur way up way faster than swe lol

swe stagnants

[coarse marten]

really?, I guess PMs at deshaw have a PhD in Math

[sick oar]

pm can go into dir/vp

[ivory ocean]

Everything is sales

[sick oar]

he's not wrong

[honest spire]

do pms make more bank than swes

[ivory ocean]

PM is literally convincing different departments to do what you/upper management needs

[sick oar]

yeah at high levels

[ivory ocean]

you are literally selling them on a certain thing

[sick oar]

pm has same salary as swe starting out

then scales higher at high levels

but there's 1 pm to 10 swe's

so it's crazy competitive

lmao this is lowk true, but i wouldn't call it politics. just being able to get on management's radar

[honest spire]

does going to a target school help u get pm???

[sick oar]

yes

[ivory ocean]

yeah I haven't gone for it cuz of this, I feel like I couldn't get it

[sick oar]

no bc it's about visibility

not necessarily about posture

you just need to be noticed

especially in big companies

[pseudo shoal]

just sit up straight ?

[sick oar]

:|

[ivory ocean]

I mean if you're highly visible because every project you touch fucks up

....

it isn't only visibility

[honest spire]

how do you become pm

[sick oar]

it's not debate or conflict

it's just visibility

[ivory ocean]

it is definitely politics man

[sick oar]

from a developing products pov you just want the director to be aware of what you're doing so you can get funding

[ivory ocean]

you need to ensure your success is highly visible while your fuck ups disappear quickly and quietly

[sick oar]

at big tech there's unlimited funding

[sick oar]

you just have to get noticed

[ivory ocean]

you also need to ensure that your projects work together well

[sick oar]

i'm realizing this v quick

[ivory ocean]

like different teams

[sick oar]

ehh

visibility is easy then

if it's a small company

[ivory ocean]

Being an engineer has politics too

[sick oar]

visibility only matters in large companies

[ivory ocean]

everything has politics

[sick oar]

and same for engineering lol

yeah

[ivory ocean]

how do you say your teammate has been blocking you in pair programming without soudning like you're being toxic and blaming them?

How do you ensure management sees your success to gain promotions without sounding cocky?

I am beginning to think you've never had a job

it's toxic to make your management aware of a team member who does no work?

No

but if you do it wrong you'll come off as mean

or like ur blaming others

[sick oar]

no

always let ur boss know

just like

friendly

hey btw

i'm waiting for xyz before i can do xyz

[sinful locust]

Is there some place to find this data

[ivory ocean]

no but if you're missing sprint goals because of them and dont say something, you're partially putting blame on yourself

[sinful locust]

I meant to reply to salaries

Not the ratio

[sick oar]

levels.fyi

[sinful locust]

I haven’t seen much about PM on levels

[sick oar]

google l3 pm and swe are the same also

[sinful locust]

Doesn’t google start at APM

[sick oar]

yeah

L3 apm = l3 swe

[sinful locust]

APM pays les

[ivory ocean]

see he's got the right answer

[sinful locust]

What APM pays less

[sick oar]

no

i've verified w google ppl that the levels are the same

[sinful locust]

Why does levels have points for like 120

[ivory ocean]

I learned from google's sentient ai

[sinful locust]

Or like 170

[ivory ocean]

I read its code over and over

until i learned to talk to humans

[sick oar]

old

maybe program managers too

ppl get confused

pgm is lower than product m

[sinful locust]

Theyre probably old

Yeah

[sick oar]

yeah

[ivory ocean]

dude

seriously

where is the amz final confirmation

its gonna be 2 days to the interview tomorrow lol

[sick oar]

they'll just hit you back with "find another time" after the days pass

dw

[rugged knoll]

is imc OA hard?

[ivory ocean]

is that what they do @sick oar

[sick oar]

yeah lol

[ivory ocean]

I assumed their survey for scheduling only had open times

oml

[sick oar]

no

they give u any time lol

[grand bane]

what would y'all say the best site to look for jobs on is

[sick oar]

prolly linkedin

[ivory ocean]

check pinned for github link @grand bane

[sick oar]

yeah or that

[grand bane]

i've got it

there's many not on there tho

[ivory ocean]

lmao there's like 50

[grand bane]

50 on the GH?

[ivory ocean]

Yeah

at least

I've only applied to places through there

and my tracker has like 65 applications entered

[grand bane]

i'm tryna send out like 200

[sick oar]

i've uh applied to ... 3 places i think

LMAO

[grand bane]

since this will be my first internship

sort of

[ivory ocean]

yea but its august

[grand bane]

first SWE internship

[ivory ocean]

most arent even out

[sick oar]

oh 4

[grand bane]

true

[sick oar]

i think i hit jane street, d.e. shaw, microsoft and oracle

and cisco

5

[grand bane]

i'll be applying all the way up until april tbh

[sick oar]

im trying to finesse an offer by october

so i can decline my return

[ivory ocean]

same @sick oar

oh

[simple garden]

i applied to js got reject no more apps

[ivory ocean]

simplify jobs

[grand bane]

lots of internships for SWE on indeed

[ivory ocean]

its linked on the github

[grand bane]

simplify is goated

[ivory ocean]

fr

[sick oar]

pm doesn't open until sept D:

i'm going until oct at least

[grand bane]

i've heard PM is more difficult to get into

less roles

[sick oar]

y3qh

yeah*

nah it pays same as eng wdym

[grand bane]

pm pays well

[sick oar]

datadog pm starts at 220 😂

[grand bane]

but a lot of people start out swe then transfer to pm

[honest spire]

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-university-snail-going-on-my-way-omw-gif-5461800

[grand bane]

datadog goated tho

[stark basin]

there are entry level PM positions?

[honest spire]

there are entry level PM positions?

[sinful locust]

there are entry level PM positions?

[sick oar]

nope

[tough ledge]

anybody apply to amazon on or before july 7th and got nothing back?

[grand bane]

there are entry level positions?

[stark basin]

what tf do they give you to manage
intern projects?

[ivory ocean]

yeah wtf is a pm internship

[sick oar]

uhh

[ivory ocean]

no way they let you loose managing actual projects

[sick oar]

mine is working on a big product

yeah

lmao

[ivory ocean]

like "alright buddy you're an intern at Google, go manage deepmind for the summer!"

[sick oar]

i'm working on a big product for my org

[prime prism]

wtf is this roblox OA

[grand bane]

that bad?

[sick oar]

developing the 2.0 version

[stark basin]

don't think too much about it

[ivory ocean]

omg do you actually have to play roblox for it

[rugged knoll]

for roblox is it a requirement to have been playing the game before?

[grand bane]

haven't sent out app yet

[sick oar]

but that being said big product for my org is relatively small

[noble ore]

they ask for your roblox username lol

[stark basin]

well they ask you for your roblox id

[ivory ocean]

its not a required field

[grand bane]

check if they're vaccinated

[ivory ocean]

i left it blank and got OA

[uneven sand]

roblox OA is easy for true gamers

[sinful locust]

Hopefully he looks at my stuff 🙏 imagine he just tells me this to ignore me

[noble ore]

i think oa's are automatic

[uneven sand]

depends on the company

[ivory ocean]

they def are

[honest spire]

is it fine if my roblox id isn't my irl name

i prob got like 1000+ hours on roblox

[grand bane]

really dope that he responded

[ivory ocean]

no its not get fucked kid delete the account

[terse sonnet]

lol i just took it

it was kinda fun lowkey

[sinful locust]

yes

[honest spire]

cto of yahkunazon 😭

[grand bane]

if you dev on roblox it can be a goldmine

[sinful locust]

yes

[prime prism]

did the infections trends actually make sense lmao? i was making up shit

[noble ore]

i made my roblox username when i was like ten and its embarrassing but also i hope they look at my profile since i was active af on roblox

[sick oar]

opened today

[grand bane]

my friend retired off of the money he made from his roblox game unironically

[terse sonnet]

section 1 was eh, section 2 there was a trend for sure

[ivory ocean]

hey man I got my offer letter framed don't laugh at my job

[honest spire]

im working on it

[slow veldt]

@woven quest yo boss, did you get offer letter yet?

[honest spire]

in progress game

[ember bison]

i got banned on roblox off 7 different accounts

[grand bane]

bro was exploiting

[ember bison]

was wayyy too much of a cyberbully in 6th grade 😭

[sick oar]

my explore app last year wasn't reviewed until dec and i applied aug

[rugged knoll]

what if we dont have monster amount of time on roblox

[ivory ocean]

what if I don't have a roblox account

[rugged knoll]

cause ive never played the game tbh

[ivory ocean]

and I didnt put my username on the app

did i get fucking railed by roblox

or do i have a shot

[honest spire]

bro wtf

damn that's like

impossible 😂

[ember bison]

bro

i made a t shirt

with kate upton in a bikini on it

[ivory ocean]

bro was 11 years old lookin at kate uptons tits

what happened to her she was legendary

[ember bison]

she got fat

[ivory ocean]

oh

[shadow shard]

any thoughts on whether its better to grad in 3 yrs and recruit for NG this season or grad 3+ and recruit for intern

[terse sonnet]

it’ll make u make an account for the oa

Ur fine

[ivory ocean]

ok

ty

i didnt get railed by roblox yet!

thats my new catchphrase

if I could add railed by roblox to my server nickname I would

but character limit

[sick oar]

Brooo I'm waiting for my mf hubspot email

God dang

[ivory ocean]

good job!

[terse sonnet]

nice

[grand bane]

internships are technically easier to get but there’s less of them

[terse sonnet]

Still waiting on my oa 😭

[ivory ocean]

maybe theyll confirm my final interview soon

[sick oar]

10.5k/month for rn

but it'll update later

it might be a little more actually

[willow canopy]

that including housing?

[sick oar]

depends if they updated now or they redo it in fall

no

+1875/2425 housing depending on area

[thorn anchor]

email for?

[ivory ocean]

does anyone know

[sick oar]

recruiter said she'd reach out back in aug to start process

[ivory ocean]

does Amazon actually have SWE internships in Detroit

I saw its a position

[uneven sand]

yes

[sinful locust]

yayyyyyy congrattttssssss

[thorn anchor]

ahh okok

[trim vigil]

for roblox oa's coding part, can u submit ur old GCA

[sick oar]

oo its like 9k cad i think

[rough parcel]

when does applying for swe intern start becoming too late in yalls opinion

[ivory ocean]

wait is that to me

[uneven sand]

they have a Detroit office in the hood

[ivory ocean]

fuck yeah

[trim vigil]

or do u have to do their coding test

[ivory ocean]

LCOL BABAY

LIVIN WITH PARENTS BABY

[uneven sand]

Detroit pay is the same as Seattle pay lol

[sick oar]

bc/toronto?

[ivory ocean]

do I still get my coroporate housing stipend if i live at home

that would be so fire

like 20% wage increase

[sick oar]

nowhere is lower than seattle besides nashville

[soft basin]

congrats on offer @slow veldt

[uneven sand]

amazon basically pays everywhere the same except for Bay Area and NYC

[sinful locust]

bro conrgats on the offer but.

where

[ivory ocean]

@uneven sand do u know if I would still get housing stipend

[sinful locust]

tf is my final date details

[ivory ocean]

since I'd live at home

[sick oar]

seattle gets premium relocation package

but lower comp

[sinful locust]

seattle gets 53 ?

while bay and nyc is 60?

Congrats on offer @uneven sand

[mystic depot]

anybody here have any advice for doing a codesignal? i never done one before so any tips will be hella appreciated

[sinful locust]

Pray

[ivory ocean]

Wait if my app in amazon portal says "location: seattle" that isnt set in stone is it

[uneven sand]

not sure

[sinful locust]

That’s the tip

[sick oar]

53 what

[ivory ocean]

like I could switch to detroit still

[sick oar]

wheres home

[sinful locust]

You are a hood man

[mystic depot]

thats what i been hearing

[sinful locust]

Dollars

[ivory ocean]

somewhere within commute distance of detroit amz

[sinful locust]

CAD

[sick oar]

no once u get an offer w a location it's up to your team to let u be remote and keep stipend

[uneven sand]

it’s possible to get it switched to remote but YMMV

[sinful locust]

@hearty river

[ivory ocean]

i didnt get an offer with detroit

[sick oar]

huh i thought they assigned

[rough parcel]

yooo when does applying for swe intern start becoming too late in yalls opinion

[sick oar]

maybe they're changing shit

[mystic depot]

i heard some people say they skip questions so they dont lose points to speed? anybody else heard this?

[uneven sand]

amazon yvr is best in Canada

[ivory ocean]

See my app says seattle tho

[sick oar]

there's a diff listing below it, no?

[ivory ocean]

but I think they all do

[uneven sand]

oh it’s default to Seattle

[sick oar]

or have u not gotten offer eyt

[uneven sand]

once you get offer it switches to a location

[sick oar]

no

[ivory ocean]

I have not gotten offer

I still gotta do final

ohh okay

[sick oar]

yea u won't know until offer

[sinful locust]

they all default to seattle

[mystic depot]

may i fully applied 2022 summer in may

such a bad decision

[soft basin]

so we can choose location?

or they give us location

[uneven sand]

I would apply to places September/October at the latest

[rough parcel]

ok bet

i still got time grind then

[mystic depot]

100 percent

[uneven sand]

I would apply in august/September and grind concurrently bc it’s not like you’ll get interviews immediately

[rough parcel]

valid

[terse sonnet]

idk on the test i took i thought q4 was harder than q3

[mystic depot]

ye ye august and september, dont be like me lmao

[ivory ocean]

ill be so sad if my amz interview is rescheduled

[rough parcel]

i applied to a few companies too early i feel like

bc what if i get an intreview in the next few weeks and im not 100% preppd

[stark basin]

same
I have offer deadline 8/22 so no time for anything else

[uneven sand]

if you’re in a crunch do blind75

use neetcode.io

[rough parcel]

yup thats what im doin

[mystic depot]

bruh i guess i fully just gotta pray

[stark basin]

not that i'm probably gonna go anywhere else anyways

[mystic depot]

https://tenor.com/view/redies-dies-again-dead-lives-undies-gif-24888754

[honest spire]

https://tenor.com/view/husshere-herehuss-tattari-gif-23362833

[terse sonnet]

first two r like easy impl, third is a matrix impl, fourth requires a bit of thinking and is lc medium

[mystic depot]

https://tenor.com/view/snine-snine19-cat-mr-potato-chinese-cat-gif-21876341

[mystic depot]

ah okay i heard of worse i guess

[honest spire]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-potato-cat-nataon-dimden-gif-22528109

[slow veldt]

me too 😐

[mystic depot]

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-rat-hungry-steal-gif-17260113

[ivory ocean]

do you guys think they filled up summer already

[ivory ocean]

😦

[sinful locust]

rip

😦

[honest spire]

https://tenor.com/view/bird-fml-depressed-i-hate-my-life-animal-gif-18453833

[sick oar]

no

[plush girder]

it might be visa sponsorship tho

[mystic depot]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-gif-24426684

[honest spire]

what happened

[rough parcel]

ik this a dumb q but if. i get recjeted from amazon can i apply again in a few months

[plush girder]

I am from EU

[mystic depot]

ye they got me with that shit also

[uneven sand]

amazon doesn’t sponsor anymore

[plush girder]

[terse sonnet]

i doubt it, ik someone who applied in feb for last year and got 2022 summer internship lmao

[uneven sand]

you have to apply to the office in your home country

[mystic depot]

a fellow eu citizen?

[plush girder]

not even eu citizen

[uneven sand]

or home continent in your case lol

TURKIYE

[plush girder]

TURKIYE FTW

[mossy compass]

just checked and i have the same, but am canadian so that might be why

[uneven sand]

yea for Canada you have to apply to Canada offices

[mystic depot]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-sad-bunnyboi-tears-sadboi-gif-19388428

im uk

[uneven sand]

Uk not in EU

[mossy compass]

yee i did both, canada one didnt reject (yet )

[uneven sand]

[mystic depot]

ye ye i just use it as a general term sad time tho sad times

[plush girder]

yeah sad times

[uneven sand]

does that mean you don’t get easy work auth for EU roles

or does UK have an exception

[mystic depot]

pretty much, i mean u can but its a whole new process i guess, ngl i have never researched it

[uneven sand]

ic

[mystic depot]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[uneven sand]

a lot of tech companies have EU office so UK-only is sadge

[plush girder]

I gotta work at London office of any big tech for 2 years before I can transfer to US

[uneven sand]

London

[plush girder]

London is cool tho yes

[uneven sand]

go see mr bog

[sick oar]

i think i just got a jane street interview 🤭🤭

[mystic depot]

or bag that h1b ngl thats finna be hard 😰

[sinful locust]

amazon is below u, optiver >>>>>>> amazon

[plush girder]

Amazon is more likely tho

I need an offer

[sinful locust]

Caspian at opticer?

ya

[mystic depot]

lesssss gooooooo

[sick oar]

i reached out to my recruiter from last year and she said “i do see you applied, the team will be reaching out to you with next steps”

[uneven sand]

Optiver better give me an interview

[sinful locust]

u did the oa?

[sick oar]

[plush girder]

no

[uneven sand]

I tryharded the OA

[sinful locust]

i loweky CRUSHED

their oa too

[sick oar]

nah biz dev goes straight to phone

[mystic depot]

whats was the result

[ivory ocean]

how bad was opt oa

for swe

[uneven sand]

I made my code squeaky clean

[uneven sand]

I did it yesterday

likely will be a reject lol

[sinful locust]

Why’re u try Harding Optiver OA when you already have Jane street

[mystic depot]

gotta wait an see then i guess

[plush girder]

you are asked 2 problems in 72 hours right?

[uneven sand]

for the thrill

[plush girder]

amsterdam oa has 3 problems in 48 hours

[uneven sand]

yes

but it takes 1 hour

[coarse marten]

did you already apply?

[sinful locust]

Which OA

[uneven sand]

idk why they give so much time

[plush girder]

Bog I had told you I got the OA

[mystic depot]

bruh 48 hours

[plush girder]

[sinful locust]

Does everyone get the same? Mine was somewhat long

[uneven sand]

yea

[sinful locust]

But also partially cause im rusty in java

[ivory ocean]

Sounds like they want you to google it lmao

[mystic depot]

thats either hella generous or super hard zero middle ground

[uneven sand]

it’s 2 problems in 72 hours for US

[plush girder]

code clarity 👍

readibility

[uneven sand]

funny thing is they’re reusing their OA from 2020

the problems are on leetcode discuss

[ivory ocean]

thats what I heard lmao

I went and read through em

[sinful locust]

[plush girder]

They made us apply to it at a freshman program of Optiver and I got the OA from there as well technically

[coarse marten]

guys what should I do? ```
Thank you for applying to the C++ Software Engineer role.

After careful consideration of your CV and motivation, we are happy to inform you that we would like you to continue to the next step.

This involves a small programming assignment. The test should not take more than a few hours, but you will be given three days - from the moment that we send you the test - to do the test and return the results to us. This way you can complete it at your convenience and revisit it with a fresh pair of eyes, if you wish.```

[sinful locust]

dont do it

[ivory ocean]

delete the email

[sinful locust]

which companyt

name and shame

What company

[uneven sand]

why shame

[coarse marten]

no name hft

[ivory ocean]

As promised, here is the link to our HackerRank.``` I love the "as promised" lmao

[mystic depot]

bruh an assignment

[sinful locust]

tell em to piss off

[coarse marten]

they pay 80k ng

[uneven sand]

oh

[coarse marten]

in amsterdam

[uneven sand]

then not worth

just return to goog

[sinful locust]

THEM EM TO SUCKY SUCKY

[coarse marten]

davinci derivatives

[plush girder]

that's below the poverty line

[mystic depot]

ngl i would take that im desperate

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[uneven sand]

mr palantir just take palantir

[ivory ocean]

dude just got cat stared to hell and back

[mystic depot]

im trying

[pseudo shoal]

i wrote an essay for Palantir do i get the offer

[mystic depot]

LOOOOOOOOL

[coarse marten]

80k is crazy good in eu tho

[sinful locust]

pltr do u wanna do my karat interview w pltr

[uneven sand]

wait does palantir only hire US citizens

[sinful locust]

no

i have an interview w em on friday

[pseudo shoal]

for the us govt position yes?

[mystic depot]

thats what i was thinking 80k a major win from what i currently get 💀

[sinful locust]

no the swe one

[pseudo shoal]

us govt one requires security clearance

[coarse marten]

don't listen to these US kids

[pseudo shoal]

that’s what i applied for

[mystic depot]

dont think so, i wasn't auto reject for that position

[uneven sand]

80k in EU is €10 after taxes

[shut mango]

Anyone else found the first roblox assessment super laggy?

[mystic depot]

i mean i somtimes do cause US people be living it up with those bay area salaries

[shut mango]

even with an overclocked pc rip

[uneven sand]

it takes a few seconds to load

but once it does it wasn’t laggy for me

[ivory ocean]

"living it up"

[shut mango]

Odd

Maybe it was my browser

[plush girder]

@coarse marten have you applied to optiver yet

[coarse marten]

no

[ivory ocean]

saving as much as a person making 75k anywhere outside socal lmfao

[coarse marten]

should I

?

[plush girder]

why not

[mystic depot]

LOOL thats my perspective my job so bad

[coarse marten]

I don't know C++

[ivory ocean]

bay area people are usually in like a 600 sqft apartment

and safe a few grand a month from what ive heard

[plush girder]

hmm

[coarse marten]

I plan to learn it

[ivory ocean]

save*

[mystic depot]

i would suffer that for the pay for a little while

imo

[uneven sand]

EU salaries are way lower but the standard of living is lower as well

[pseudo shoal]

go to boston, rent is 5k a month

[wooden shard]

yo does everyone get this from jpmc?

[sinful locust]

Live in EU and make US salaries. Easy

[wooden shard]

just applied adn got sent this

[mystic depot]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-cute-adorable-gif-15807869

[pseudo shoal]

yes

[coarse marten]

it is. the vast majority of senior engineers (at least 5 yoe) make less than 60k€ in EU

[ivory ocean]

the salary may be high on paper but when your city's poverty line is like 85k, its not that crazy to make 150k

[mystic depot]

ye i get that my goal is to get that and eventually try and get a remote, i guess thats what most people want tho

[ivory ocean]

its like making 95-100k in the midwest US

and like making 90k in EU

[uneven sand]

the appeal of Bay Area tech salaries is the ceiling not the floor

[coarse marten]

deep mr vexor

[uneven sand]

you can make crazy amounts after a few years

[coarse marten]

very deep

[sinful locust]

The appeal of Bay Area is the cost of living

[ivory ocean]

well of course but how many actually see the ceiling

[uneven sand]

me

[ivory ocean]

how many people actually hit staff engineer at goog

very few

[uneven sand]

me

[ivory ocean]

thats cuz ur cracked

u dont count

[mystic depot]

thats personally how i see it, i guess the only way im gonna know is if i make it there and find out for myself

[sinful locust]

Vexor was tech lead at quora in high school

[uneven sand]

quota

[coarse marten]

quota

[sinful locust]

Man’s at Jane street now

[coarse marten]

I bet vexor will be at JS/HRT next year

[uneven sand]

I founded scale.ai on the side

[mystic depot]

https://tenor.com/view/cap-cap-check-gif-24989004

[uneven sand]

I applied to jane street on Sunday

they have until tmr to reject me

[plush girder]

vexor did you do the optiver oa in c#

[ivory ocean]

applying on a weekend?

bold

[coarse marten]

nice but that's copium

[mystic depot]

hoooolld up, is doing this bad?

[uneven sand]

if they don’t give me a response by tmr, they have to give me an offer

[ivory ocean]

no lol

[uneven sand]

they promise 3 business days for response

[mystic depot]

ah okay, i wasn't sure what u meant by being bold 💀

[sinful locust]

Jane street has a response within 3 days or offer policy

[uneven sand]

C++

[coarse marten]

Hi guys, do you know any role for a latex engineer like me?

[sinful locust]

U can work for me and fix my resume

[uneven sand]

markdown engineer >>

[ivory ocean]

amazon said 2-3 business days until my final confirmation

does this mean I get amz offer

[uneven sand]

yes

[ivory ocean]

that's sick

[uneven sand]

it’s like a money back guarantee but for offers

[ivory ocean]

thats cool

[mystic depot]

ye they hire them at bofa

[ivory ocean]

what if I just applied to jane street with a bot

[tribal lion]

lol roblox OAs were so easy

ez dub

[ivory ocean]

so eventually they would be guaranteed to miss one of my apps

.......

😮

[uneven sand]

Bank of America

[sinful locust]

Oh yeah

[pseudo shoal]

bank of fucking america

[ivory ocean]

bofa deez nuts in yo mouth

[mystic depot]

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-kek-bttv-twitch-emote-gif-15123134

[coarse marten]

Hi guys, do you know any role for a json engineer like me?

[uneven sand]

Jason engineer

[mystic depot]

man fully asked whats bofa

[tribal lion]

whats wrong w/ that

lmao

[sinful locust]

Who is a Jason

[ivory ocean]

why dont you ask then robin

[ivory ocean]

ask me who it is

[tribal lion]

WHOS BOFA

[mystic depot]

[sinful locust]

Ayo

[ivory ocean]

BOFA DEEZ NUTS IN YO MOUTH

[mystic depot]

he got there before me lol

[tribal lion]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-sobbing-gif-23296047

[ivory ocean]

im on a fuckin killstreak whos next

[sinful locust]

So is bofa Bank of America

[uneven sand]

osama bin laden

[ivory ocean]

already got him tho

[uneven sand]

he’s back

[sinful locust]

STOP

[ivory ocean]

nah mate I was the seal who shot him, still resume rejected by Optiver

..?

[sinful locust]

?

[uneven sand]

?

[ivory ocean]

?

[sinful locust]

why i feel like Adrenalyn and Palantir are the same person

[uneven sand]

https://tenor.com/view/minion-any-questions-question-question-mark-confused-asking-gif-15404852

[ivory ocean]

its my alt

[sinful locust]

@mystic depot

Oops

[ivory ocean]

?

bro stop tagging me

fuck forgot to switch accnt

[mystic depot]

https://tenor.com/view/whats-going-on-gif-25049667

[sinful locust]

@uneven sand hows G return looking

[sinful locust]

He reneged

[mystic depot]

[uneven sand]

looking likely

[sinful locust]

Nice

Would you take

Or HFT time

[sinful locust]

Google return offer vs amazon sdei

[uneven sand]

I’m trying to get google winter

[sinful locust]

They can do that?

[uneven sand]

yea

[sinful locust]

That’s sweet

[uneven sand]

I can move it to summer if I need to

[spark hearth]

vexor is slacking off at work

[sinful locust]

HFT summer?

[uneven sand]

yea

if I get one lol

[sinful locust]

I’m trying to get yakuna

@hearty river hi give me offer

[uneven sand]

@hearty river can I get YRT referral

[sinful locust]

Check offer channel

He just gave me one

[ivory ocean]

you just insulted the CTO tho...

[sinful locust]

Bog Hows JPM

Should i bother taking OA

For last summer i got ghosted but their OA was so crappy

It was input and print out

[uneven sand]

bog said that he’s doing nothing at jpm bc of bureaucracy

[sinful locust]

Ill probably just speedrun JPM oa after doing some tagged

[ivory ocean]

have been in sprint planning since 2 pm

please help me

[sinful locust]

I need to do optiver oa

[ivory ocean]

its 5

[sinful locust]

I’m actually trash at java now

Taking me quite a while

[ivory ocean]

is optiver swe oa only java?

[sinful locust]

Or C# or C++ which i suck at

[ivory ocean]

bullshit

[sinful locust]

Yeah

I’m so used to python now

[ivory ocean]

same

[uneven sand]

yea they don’t allow python :(

[ivory ocean]

language requirements for an OA are so dumb

[uneven sand]

they only allow the languages they use which makes sense

[sinful locust]

I just realized sorted dict was a thing in python

It’s so awesome

[ivory ocean]

wtf is a sorted dict

doesnt make sense

[uneven sand]

wait wtf

[ivory ocean]

keys are kept sorted?

[sinful locust]

It’s like Treemap in java

Yeah

Log n for everything

[ivory ocean]

so like

wow

wait logn

[sinful locust]

have to import from sortedcontainers

[ivory ocean]

so not O(1)

[sick oar]

can i just say wtf