2023_grads

[formal fable]

Past month's stats show avg base pay of 180k+ and total comp averaging 250k+ (I've seen quite a few 300k numbers as well for around 3-4 YOE)

[fresh lagoon]

maybe theyll make it required like doordash

[dire yarrow]

[frank wedge]

Bruh where’s the source for the intern hold

[glossy pendant]

He’s an intern there lmao

[frank wedge]

rip

[glossy pendant]

Also confirming from Meta discord

[dire yarrow]

Meta stock has gone down from 380 at its peak to 170 rn

[glossy pendant]

It’s delayed til end of year

[dire yarrow]

Bruh

[frank wedge]

that’s wild they’d share that so early

[primal pike]

i never seen any process meta here

[frank wedge]

Everything has tanked

[frank wedge]

A lot of people processed for 2022

[dire yarrow]

They were giving out a lot back in Feb/march

Went on hiring freeze soon after

[glossy pendant]

AmaOn is also down like 40%

Don’t jus look at Meta lmao

Meta was down before it was cool

[frank wedge]

Literally every tech is down

[primal pike]

just overpriced stonks

back to reality

[glossy pendant]

Mfs read ONE graph

[primal pike]

ser im a crypto expert

i get liquidated everyday

[surreal shuttle]

Canada?

[dire yarrow]

Yea I'm just saying lol

[primal pike]

ye

kanada

[bleak relic]

How is the goldman oa?

[sonic coral]

goog will match meta

[primal pike]

when meta is life

[sonic coral]

goog is basically lowball (faang-wise) but nego with new grads who have other offers

[formal fable]

They don't. I got a friend who is SWE3 at Google, had better offers from Amazon, and Bloomberg. Google doesn't give a shit

[sonic coral]

bro i literally know people in the g discord who got meta matched lol

and also i had my comp target exceeded with a rh offer

[pallid kernel]

should i buy

[primal pike]

in other words. some do some dont

[grizzled bronze]

Why are they crying, return offers haven't been canceled, decisions have just been delayed

[pallid kernel]

also when is metaverse coming out

[formal fable]

You know randos on discord. I got friends who's face I can see.

[sonic coral]

pretty much yeah

[sonic coral]

i literally have a negoed g offer lmao

[formal fable]

Anyway, anomalies don't invalidate the rule, you ain't negotiating much with FAANG.

[sonic coral]

that's straight cap lmao just ask @young peak

[pallid kernel]

FAANG is just a dream for most people

[sonic coral]

if you've got competing offers you're negotiating

i also see the offers people are submitting in the g discord (there's a dedicated channel for offer submissions) and nego'd offers are super common

[formal fable]

OK, lmao, that means we can, lmao, enter a self-sustaining offer matching cycle, lmao, between all faang, lmao, companies, lmao, I guess. Lol. Negotiate all you want, you're chances are slim for FAANG, much better for mid tier cause they got an incentive to offer more money. (10 more lmaos to show that I know what I'm talking about)

[sonic coral]

buddy believe what you want, i dont care, if you've got competing offers, google will negotiate

[pulsar mural]

what about my Amex return offer

Will I get return offer

@sonic coral

[pallid kernel]

all of the people in this discord are getting such great offers

multiple people working for FAANG

or unicorns

[sonic coral]

yahkuna you seem to be working instead of shitposting so i'd say yes

[formal fable]

We're talking chances and probabilities here, and you are highly unlikely to negotiate against FAANGs, cause they got like a million applicants and less monetary incentive given brand. Is it possible? Yes. So is scaling K2 in the winters, not likely.

You want better offers via negotiations? Get FAANG offer, negotiate vs t2 folks.

[sonic coral]

dude if you have a higher offer than the standard google offer, they will negotiate, it's that simple lmao

you get your standard offer, send your competing, wait for google comp blackbox to do whatever and out plops your new offer

or not

what is true is that goog will not negotiate with like hft offers in the 350k+ range, i havent seen any goog offers breach 300k even in lcol

[pallid kernel]

i'm working hard too, but i'd never dream of FAANG even giving me an interview, nevermind an offer

[formal fable]

Negotiate to what? Your base pay barely budges (even across promotional levels, it crawls to reach 200k). You might get more stock options, or bonuses, but I bet with FAANG, best case, 10% of the cases will get like a nominal 5-10% raise.

Similar situation with others, you've got a good chance for double that raise. It's just in the nature of big companies

[sonic coral]

but you can absolutely nego standard hcol (~220k) to like 250k

and even 280k if you've got high enough offers

[sonic coral]

ok you should clarify that you mean base raise lmfao

generally negotiation means stock or bonus increase for tech cos

[formal fable]

can != probably will. I'm talking chances here.

[sonic coral]

i actually did manage to get a base raise, those are WAY rarer and seem to be largely luck based

[primal pike]

guys what am i gonna do i live w my parents and google only offered me 180k

how will i afford porsche

[formal fable]

Promos are nice and valuable, switching and promo don't often happen together, so I opt for promo over switch, if I have the option.

[sonic coral]

also fyi if you're gonna claim to be such a tc expert you should know large public tech cos like faang give RSUs not options

[formal fable]

It's paraphrasing in this context for brevity. You can be a pedant about it, but the point is getting across about what I'm trying to emphasize here, the TC breakup and the importance of base pay vs stock/RSUs.

[sonic coral]

well most people are well aware that negotiations with tech companies is almost always in terms of stock and bonus

and "matching" refers to matching tc

also options vs rsus is quite important, because one is granted to you, whereas the other you have to exercise with your own capital and is worthless if the stock goes down

so it's not really paraphrasing lol, you'd just say "stock" instead

[formal fable]

My claims, are just as good as anyone else, other than what most people choose to infer. I'm claiming all this having directly negotiated offers across 3 jobs in past 5 years, and lately, via friends in Bay Area and NYC who are working in Big Tech. So I trust their intuition and I cross check with available numbers on sites like levels.fyi (and others).

[sonic coral]

i'm just saying bro anyone here who's talking about matching is almost always in the context of matching tc

not matching base

[lunar hatch]

Anyone knows what akuna’s low latency strategist interview is like

Having a final for their QD role but hr said they would directly combine two roles’ final into one

[formal fable]

Unless I'm giving a lecture on the "Breakup of Tech Offers", I don't need to clarify what a stock or RSU is while making a point about negotiating with FAANG.

My point has nothing to do with stock/RSU, and has everything to do with the size and brand of the company you're negotiating with. You are highly unlikely to negotiate substantially with FAANG (like).

As a strategy, your best bet is to find t2 offers after securing FAANG and getting big gains.

[bleak raven]

nows a good time to be at microsoft

[sonic coral]

dude if you increase your stock grant substantially thats still a tc increase lmao

[bleak raven]

95% return offer rate

[formal fable]

They don't offer too good 😦

[bleak raven]

i mean it’s 180k first year TC

for returning interns

good enuf for me

[primal pike]

im in a chat of chads here

[exotic oracle]

💀 💀

yu guys have gotta be trolling ...

[formal fable]

OK, new grad, that is nice. I guess I'm biased by mid levels

[primal pike]

my parents make 70k combined

[bleak raven]

oh yea mid levels suck

but im company hopping

grad during recession is tuff

[formal fable]

IDK about new grad offers yet, but am I wrong in guessing that Meta usually gives the best new grad, followed by google on average (no anecdotal counters please)?

[exotic oracle]

do interviews get easier/shorter once you are at higher levels

[sonic coral]

if google literally matches meta's tc they're equivalent lol

[exotic oracle]

i want to company hop eventually but having to do leetocde often is the worst

[formal fable]

Hell no! Lol. It's like 10 times as much prep for SDE2 at amazon, I know that having taken new grad interviews for over 3 years now

[exotic oracle]

sigh

[primal pike]

aka system design

[exotic oracle]

im def to lazy to company hop

[formal fable]

Precisely

[formal fable]

Hop now, while you still can. It only gets harder as the years go by as there will be more and more reasons to stick around.

[exotic oracle]

nah im just gonna get into google then call mr google himself and have him make me ceo

[formal fable]

I used to dream of that, but so much work 😅

[unkempt coyote]

ayo anyone know what goldman full time process looks like

just finished oa

[quartz needle]

How was the OA?

[unkempt coyote]

lowkey hella easy ngl

like it was straight leetcode questions, one easy and one medium

[inner prawn]

Avoid

[quartz needle]

Okayy I got mine to give

[bleak raven]

goldman vs microsoft which better

and y

[unkempt coyote]

Just doing it for practice ngl

[inner prawn]

Microsoft 100% because it’s an actual tech company

Way better wlb and benefits

And pay too

Source: typing from Goldman office

[unkempt coyote]

sayless

[frank wedge]

Damn

[fleet flame]

apparently twitter started layoffs

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ingridjohnson_twitter-layoffs-started-today-there-are-activity-6950869057071980545-1Q4t

you said the exact same shit somewhere else

👀

[bleak raven]

i thought elon was backing off from the buying twitter deal

[fleet flame]

im still waiting for him to buy coco-cola and adding the cocaine back in

[slim mortar]

nooooooooooooo

[prime palm]

sooo

all fb interns just got f'd

[quartz plinth]

frezzing?

[bleak raven]

what happened

[formal fable]

Job offers are easier, yes, but increments and better work prospects dwindle with experience. Classic diminishing returns

[sonic coral]

Wishful thinking imo, it’s possible we enter a depression that lasts several years

I’m not a pessimist I’m a realist lol

[bleak raven]

why would we enter a depression

the entire economy isn’t collapsing

[urban gulch]

Lol no way

[bleak raven]

inflation just needs to be fixed

thus recession

[sonic coral]

We’ve been in the fix inflation by raising rates cycle for so long

How sustainable is that shit

We’re in so much national debt

The feds are raising rates and they’re still not sure if it’ll be enough to combat the inflation

Well yeah the whole inflation cycle was started because of the shitloads of debt we’re in

We have shitloads of debt so let’s print more money so the debt is worth less, oh shit inflation now we need to raise the rates to combat inflation, recession, rinse repeat

How sustainable is this before we enter a sustained recession

Oh it’s not the feds fault I know I’m saying the entire us economy is fragile af lmfao

There’s no telling how long this next recession will be

Like I’m also mad clueless when it comes to the economy I have to admit but there’s just no way to know how long this will last

[dusty basin]

Yeah. Ez

[bleak raven]

i’ve started to burn money

doing my part

[dusty basin]

Yea I don’t think inflation is solved by burning ur money

Unless u mean literally burning it

[bleak raven]

yes

fire

[dusty basin]

In which case Uncle Sam would like a word with u

[bleak raven]

he’ll thank me later

[dusty basin]

By giving u free housing in federal prison

[quartz plinth]

any1 explain

[fleet flame]

fb told interns they'll get return offer decisions eoy

and some recruiters/managers told interns to dont bank on return offer

[quartz plinth]

oh damn

[bleak raven]

makes me recession proof 🥱

[hazy gull]

thats not the only job

[grizzled bronze]

Why did some people give a pog react to that, that's not pog

[glad thunder]

Did anyone find a fix for the amazon application

[fleet flame]

what's the problem u r having?

are u also getting spammed with "Someone referred you" emails daily and it making ur application go from completed to incomplete?

[glad thunder]

I’m getting spammed that my application is incomplete

And every time I have to resubmit the application

[fleet flame]

so we have a similar issue then

i emailed amazon but they keep gaslighting me saying they dont have any problems

[young peak]

What is this cope lmao?

[glad thunder]

I emailed and got no response

[young peak]

You have no idea how these companies do you? Wtf do you think bands are? It's ridiculous you have this massively weird take and yet you don't know a single bit about the way these companies function

[formal fable]

Speaking the language of gods here...

[young peak]

I'm reacting this strongly because it's ideas like this that get spread around that discourage applicants from attempting to negotiate. Spreading disinformation that at its core is rooted in a lack of even surface knowledge and cope. I'm not saying it's easy to negotiate with big companies but there's a structured system that allows you to do so. Google, for example, adheres to stronger restrictions but it is entirely possible. There are, and I have to preface this by saying these companies have only recently started doing this, big companies such as Meta and Amazon that do not negotiate for student programs/new grads. If you're directly talking about then, sure whatever you're just generalizing but if not then please go read

[dusty basin]

Wlb at meta def isn’t best in class btw

U won’t get offer pulled

Worst case they just say no and you take it or leave it

But if it’s even a decent company, they definitely won’t pull your offer just because you wanted to negotiate

[young peak]

Companies have NEVER pulled away their offers from me because I negotiated. Think about it this way, the amount of resources to get someone qualified like you at the offer stage is a lot -- around 15k-20k per offer-stage applicant. The headhunter/recruiter that gets you to sign the offer receives some compensation and fills their personal headcount. There's plenty incentive to keep you by just giving you more money, although they'll seem stingy about it

Worst I've had was just that they said no, or made up some reason to reject it like Google did

[dusty basin]

Plus you’re not the first one to negotiate

They’re used to negotiation and it’s extremely normal to do so

TLDR: always negotiate

[tawny bloom]

unless it's amazon

[dusty basin]

Even if it’s Amazon

Dumb af to tell someone to not negotiate with a certain company

[young peak]

Lmao you say that as if you've never used the internet to confirm data? I'd personally never get as far as I did without using this server

[tawny bloom]

at least for new grad they dont care

[dusty basin]

Student pipeline sure

But ask @vital meteor and others who went through normal pipeline

And negotiated

My point is, no one should be afraid or discouraged from negotiating. Worst case u get a no

[young peak]

Better yet

Negotiate with companies

then buy all the grass

[grizzled bronze]

Proof you can negotiate Google https://itsjafer.com/#/blog/negotiating

[fresh lagoon]

[dusty basin]

Bruh biggest proof is yogi and rob and Jake

[slate bobcat]

And null

[dusty basin]

Null didn’t nego, I think

But idk

[slate bobcat]

I don’t know either

But I just wanted to contribute to the conversation

and put respect on NULL

[frank wedge]

[slate bobcat]

[dusty basin]

@frank wedge nego’ed his G offer

All the way to rejection

[frank wedge]

[tawny bloom]

nah u gotta be joking right

[dusty basin]

@frank wedge peppa pig disrespecting u bro

[frank wedge]

He’s just better

[tawny bloom]

did they actually reject u for negotiating

[frank wedge]

No

[bronze nymph]

probably the only way you can get an offer pulled for negotiating is if you are extremely rude/tactless

even then it's probably pretty hard

always negotiate, you have nothing to lose

[fleet flame]

any tips on how i can negotiate if the only thing i have is a return offer that will not be official until later

im thinking of doing the negotiation over phone cause i think i am more comfortable with that

so company negotiating with is bloomberg

im thinking of starting off by first asking if bloomberg is willing to extend the offer deadline until november 1 according to my college's hiring guidelines (original is 2 weeks).
then i wanna talk about how i am interning right now and my manager has explicitly told me that I will get a return offer and that they want me back for fulltime.
then i also wanna add in how i am in the pipeline for other companies and are feeling really good about that.

Do i just say i really wanna work for bloomberg but the current offer is not the amount that i feel comfortable signing immediately? and be direct about how if they can increase the amount, I'm willing to sign the offer right now and decline further interviews?

any feedback on this would be greatly appreciated

[vapid monolith]

Yogi is a legend on this server

[dusty basin]

If u look up to @young peak , I worry about u

[vapid monolith]

Nah I'm good bro. No need to worry about me.

[inner prawn]

Lol

[vapid monolith]

Something funny?

[inner prawn]

Kind of

Your role model is someone you don’t even know

[frank wedge]

All he did was call him a legend

[dusty basin]

Slum rly beefing over yogi being called a legend

[vapid monolith]

Do you want to extend the deadline of the Bloomberg offer or negotiate your offer?

[dusty basin]

I do admit @young peak is most cringe person on this server tho

[inner prawn]

No I think yogi is a legend, I just thought it was funny

[dusty basin]

Nah @young peak is cringe af

[inner prawn]

He’s a cringe legend

[dusty basin]

Legend at being cringe

[frank wedge]

I look up to him

More than my favorite streamer

[dusty basin]

Damn

High praise

[jaunty basalt]

those are some strong words

[dusty basin]

Never thought I’d see the day armhad puts someone above his favorite streamer

[vapid monolith]

Nah never mentioned him being my role model. Just referring to when he negotiated Bloomberg up to 300k.

[inner prawn]

Lol yeah I took the first offer I got and ran

[dusty basin]

Yeah no, yogi is def amazing at nego for sure

[fleet flame]

straight up negotiate

[frank wedge]

Nothing wrong with that. I took my first offer too

[fleet flame]

cause i aint trying to leetcode no more

[frank wedge]

And my second

[dusty basin]

Then reneged

[frank wedge]

And my third

[dusty basin]

Armhad u flexer

[inner prawn]

Yeah I’ll be honest it’s kind of cause I plan to leave in like a year or 2 anyway lol

And I was super happy with the TC

[dusty basin]

Slum bb u got great company anyways

[frank wedge]

No, I wouldn’t have needed to do that if Square didn’t fuck me

[dusty basin]

Wait wym

[frank wedge]

Square has rejected multiple candidates with good performances on onsites. Wasting peoples time I swear

[inner prawn]

I don’t trust any company that uses code signal

[vapid monolith]

Then negotiate. Bloomberg ain't gonna pull your offer cos of that. Like Yogi said, the most you can get is a no to the negotiation.

[dusty basin]

Except Quora

[frank wedge]

Who tf got quora interview

Aside from gabi lol

[dusty basin]

I didn’t do OA

[inner prawn]

Monopoly money company 🙂

[dusty basin]

[fleet flame]

like do u think what i have is a solid way to negotiate?

[vapid monolith]

If you want to extend the deadline. Don't mention it's because of some other company.

[inner prawn]

I want cold, hard green backs

[dusty basin]

Missed the deadline

[frank wedge]

They turned down 817. Guess they want all 4

[fleet flame]

so dont ask to extend the deadline?

[dusty basin]

Ask

[jaunty basalt]

i heard ppl with all four were rejected

[inner prawn]

PS: bloombergs biggest fear is the word “remote”

[dusty basin]

Use your school policy

[fleet flame]

was thinking that might give me more leverage in negotiating

[dusty basin]

And they’ll most likely agree

[frank wedge]

Wild

[primal pike]

any cons in scheduling the interview the last day available

[fleet flame]

my current internship is fully remote

[fresh lagoon]

i mean its an auto oa not a surprise if they look at your resume too

[fleet flame]

🙂

[dusty basin]

Your plan sounds fine @fleet flame

[fleet flame]

Atlassian is pure remote

[inner prawn]

Use that and they’ll be pissing their pants

[frank wedge]

Quora was auto?

[fleet flame]

maybe i can also add that Atlassian's full remote policy is really appealing

[dusty basin]

2023?

[primal pike]

bloomb 2022

[dusty basin]

Yea I wouldn’t

Idk about bb headcount

[fleet flame]

bloomberg hire year round though

[fresh lagoon]

i thought so maybe not long time ago

[primal pike]

[dusty basin]

But for ng, headcount is something to keep in mind

The later the interview, chances are there are lesser spots available

But again, idk about bb

[primal pike]

hmm oks

ill do middle

[inner prawn]

Bb is weird because it’s a private company and they have money to burn

But I wouldn’t wait too long

[sharp plume]

what roles are open for Bloomberg? I wasn’t able to find anything

[fleet flame]

https://careers.bloomberg.com/job/detail/92290

probably closing soon as they start recruiting for 2023

[sharp plume]

Oh I thought we weren’t supposed to apply to that one lol 😅

[fleet flame]

the 2023 comp package is supposedly gonna be finalized the week of Aug 1

[fleet flame]

i applied cause i graduate dec 2022

but start in 2023

[sharp plume]

ahhhh that makes sense

[vapid monolith]

I got my phone interview next Tuesday.

[vapid monolith]

So you applied for 2022 role but would be starting 2023?

[fleet flame]

yeah

[vapid monolith]

That's the plan here also.

[inner prawn]

They allow for a lot of flexibility

I was able to push my start date nearly 4 months out

[vapid monolith]

Yeah one of the things I like about Bloomberg. And they seem to be recession proof

[inner prawn]

Yeah, no pip culture, all cash, most teams have good wlb, and like you said pretty much recession proof

[primal pike]

are u from canada

cant remember if i selected if i need sponsorship

[inner prawn]

I think new grads chase the dollar signs rather than thinking about the importance of stability and good wlb

If they all had to work at Goldman for a month they would understand

[vapid monolith]

Nah! West Africa bro. My interview is for the London Branch

[vapid monolith]

You don't need to worry about that.

[vapid monolith]

Interned at Goldman?

[primal pike]

also the job is normal sde but im still a student

if they can postpone the start then im chillin

[inner prawn]

Currently working there

I wish I was straight out of college to Bloomberg but I sort of screwed up in college so needed to take the longer route

Well just a couple months wasted, not the worst

[dusty basin]

Wait u didn’t leave yet?

When’s your start at bb slum

[inner prawn]

August 1st is my last date. October 17th is my bb start date

Parents wanted to take me to India during the entirety of September

[dusty basin]

I can sacrifice wlb for learning and career growth tbh

Early 20s

[fleet flame]

@inner prawn my bloomberg recruiter told me that there's like different start dates for the months

did u get to choose the specific day of the month?

[dusty basin]

Once u get older wlb becomes way bigger priority

[inner prawn]

We’re young so we can handle it. I’d pursue citadel in a year or 2 so I don’t wanna sound like a hypocrite lol. It’s just that I’m so burned out rn I need a break

[dusty basin]

Yeah no I get it

[inner prawn]

Yeah there are select days for each month. So for example I said I’m free in October and was given the choices of 17th or 31st

Usually gonna be a Monday

[fleet flame]

i see. thanks

[inner prawn]

Yeah once we have more responsibilities and a family and stuff. Rn I just wanna save and invest as much as I can cause idk how long this crazy TC stuff will last

[dusty basin]

Idk if companies let you start next year btw

[fleet flame]

Bloomberg told me i can....

[dusty basin]

Idk about bb but Ik G and other faang are usually any date within the year of the offer

[fleet flame]

but idk bout others

[dusty basin]

Ahh fair

[inner prawn]

Rn 33% of my paycheck is going towards 401k lmaoo

[dusty basin]

Damn

Betraying the wsb apes bro

[inner prawn]

I can live super frugally. I’m sort of overdoing it but yeah

It’s ok my portfolio looking fat

[dusty basin]

Fat gains or fat losses

[inner prawn]

Basically I keep like 200 bucks in my checking account so I feel like I’m poor and don’t check my portfolio that has six figs worth of assets

That’s the trick

[inner prawn]

Gains finally

[dusty basin]

On gme?

[fleet flame]

i was about to say and then u lose it all when the market crashes

[inner prawn]

Hmm GME struggling but getting better but the day lol

[dusty basin]

U buy more, duh

[inner prawn]

I invest mostly in ETF’s now so if they go to 0 the world ends

[fleet flame]

but u only have 200 in checking

[dusty basin]

Avg down

[inner prawn]

Cause I set auto-deposits lol

On my paycheck

[dusty basin]

I’m doing the same tbh

But I have 2.5k in checking

For bills and shit

[inner prawn]

Even though my TC is basically tripling im still gonna try to live off 2-3k in nyc

Gonna be hard but I’ll try

[fleet flame]

that's rent right there

[dusty basin]

Damn

Gl bro

[inner prawn]

Found a place for 1800 🙂

[fleet flame]

my goal is to save 50k each year

[inner prawn]

Living in queens idc

[fleet flame]

ew

[inner prawn]

Yep

All the Manhattan people are gonna judge lol

[fleet flame]

and buy a house in like 3 years post grad with the help of my parents

[inner prawn]

Honestly as a single dude I live in a 200 sq fr apartment rn and I’m doing fine so

[dusty basin]

6k a month

[fleet flame]

i did the math for that. saving 50k each year is very doable

[inner prawn]

Yeah 5-6k a month is possible

[fleet flame]

so after like 2 years, i'll have 100k, and parents gonna lend me 100k. that's like 200k for down payment

and then get a mortgage and then i think i can buy a house

if 2 years aint enough, 3 years and i will have 250k for down payment

[exotic oracle]

you sure you will like stay in the same palce?

[fleet flame]

can always just sell it

[exotic oracle]

i guess if you get a mortgage you will

[inner prawn]

I don’t want to be straddled with a mortgage rn even though I can definitely afford it. Plus I don’t know where I’m gonna live

[fleet flame]

u can sell ur house and pay off the mortgage if u wanna move

[dusty basin]

Harder to sell than you’d think

[exotic oracle]

yeah but thats like so much extra work

and yeah not easy

[inner prawn]

I’m ok with renting until late 20s while I collect my hft money

[exotic oracle]

and not guaranteed you even get what you payed

[fleet flame]

i mean im willing to be patient

[fleet flame]

in the hcol areas i think u would

my brother got a place for 1 mil 2-3 years ago and it is now worth 1.6 mil

[dusty basin]

Hcol areas it’ll be even harder to sell

[dusty basin]

Wait till crash

[fleet flame]

houses be selling out fast in san jose so idk

[exotic oracle]

not if i shit in your ventilation system and tbe whole house smells liek shit forever

[dusty basin]

Current prices are inflated anyways

[inner prawn]

Not sure if housing prices can sustain, they are already slowing down a lot because no once can afford that shit lol

[dusty basin]

They def can’t

[inner prawn]

Dude we’re making like 95th percentile incomes and we can’t lol

[dusty basin]

Imo buying a house in 2022 is dumb af unless you’re living there for like the next 7-10 years

[exotic oracle]

yeah housing prices are fucked

[dusty basin]

Bc the market is so inflated rn

[inner prawn]

Yeah I wouldn’t touch it with a ten foot pole

[dusty basin]

Looking at u @verbal sorrel

[inner prawn]

ETF’s all the way

[verbal sorrel]

Wtf you guys want

[inner prawn]

Thank me in a couple years

[dusty basin]

Nah I like risk

Individual stock

[inner prawn]

Damnnnn

[dusty basin]

I want u to come to Seattle

[inner prawn]

As long as it’s a bit diversified

[verbal sorrel]

@dusty basin don’t make me dance on you

[dusty basin]

No

[verbal sorrel]

I’m ngl since my gf broke up with me I kinda do

[dusty basin]

All my eggs in one basket

Come when yogi moves

We’ll hang out

[verbal sorrel]

But I’m definitely gonna stay home for a year

Save up a lot of money

And get maybe a nice apartment in Seattle or Kirkland

[inner prawn]

Damn I wish I could stay with my parents but I’d rather kms tbh

My mom still yells at me saying kids my age are doing way better

She’s a nut case

[dusty basin]

Wait till u see austin prices

[frank wedge]

My house will be in Beverly Hills

[dusty basin]

Imma buy Zedd’s house

Then I’m done

[inner prawn]

How much is that

[dusty basin]

I shared it hear a while ago

It’s for sale rn on Zillow

[frank wedge]

How much

[verbal sorrel]

You’re better off buying land and developing on it tbh

[dense blaze]

Mine in Tijuana

Tijuana > Beverly Hills

Ajuaaaa

[inner prawn]

Oh it’s over 20 mil

[dusty basin]

#2022_grads message

[inner prawn]

Gonna need a rentech job for that

[frank wedge]

light

[dusty basin]

That’s what I pay the janitor at LRT

[dense blaze]

I miss Visionary

[dusty basin]

Bro was always simping

Lol

[dense blaze]

Lmfao I was about to say that

[inner prawn]

I still see him lol

He’s got one of those K-pop girl pp’s now

[dense blaze]

The only person you should be simping for is…

Yourself

[dusty basin]

Is that his crush

[dense blaze]

[inner prawn]

Yup

[dusty basin]

I remember he sent me pic

[dense blaze]

The hell is pp’s?

[inner prawn]

Profile pic

[dense blaze]

Oh

Lmao

[inner prawn]

He’s in the bb discord

[dense blaze]

Tell him to come back

[delicate elm]

Pee pee

[inner prawn]

He really noped out one day

[dusty basin]

Tiny

[dense blaze]

Wdym “noped”

?avatar @delicate elm

[earnest warren]

Avatar for SquidyPete#3082

Link as

png | jpg | webp

[dusty basin]

Shoebox bro

[delicate elm]

Squid pog

[inner prawn]

Lol just means he randomly left one day

[dusty basin]

I’m not paying 600k to live in a townhouse in a state with a failing power grid

[dire yarrow]

Simping for what?

[dense blaze]

For me

[exotic oracle]

depends on your needs and what you value

there is also like location

not just city

but part of the city

if you plan on having kids is it a good school district

3k feet is plenty lol

unless you want a big ass house for flexing

[inner prawn]

are you serious

[dense blaze]

Yeah

Gigachad

[frail wolf]

Where’s this Bloomberg application that people are getting phones from

Is it the 2022 one

[surreal shuttle]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRFY2tAY/?k=1

[surreal shuttle]

Meta announced today there won't be any return offers for interns

[tired hound]

The internal email says Delayed until EOY

[delicate elm]

Damn why today?

[median panther]

did they say why?

[grizzled bronze]

"Realistically, there are probably a bunch of people at the company who shouldn't be here," Zuckerberg said.

"Part of my hope by raising expectations and having more aggressive goals, and just kind of turning up the heat a little bit, is that I think some of you might decide that this place isn't for you, and that self-selection is OK with me," he said.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/exclusive-meta-girds-fierce-headwinds-slower-growth-second-half-memo-2022-06-30/

[median panther]

thats crazy

[old vector]

interview != work tho lol

also damn recruiting season is already starting

its getting earlier every year i swear to god

[median panther]

true

[formal fable]

I think I've been pretty clear on my stance regarding negotiations in general (I.e. you should always do it) and having reasonable expectations based in statistics rather than anecdotal brags about one offs.

Having the right expectations will help you strategize most accurately wrt your compensation goals and the way you might go about multiple interviews across different companies.

Fact is, you've got way less of a chance to negotiate with Big ones, but you should do it anyway. My emphasis is on the point that you're better off planning your applications such that you take a FAANG offer and leverage it to get a significant jump with some smaller company which banking hard on brand value and will be more willing to pay more.

And wtf do I need to cope for? I've worked multiple jobs with pay higher than most FAANG offers in my region the past 3 years. It's just objective analysis of observed stats

[formal fable]

I do remember agreeing out that Google had better WLB than Meta, and pointing out the fact with large firms, it's highly team dependent

[bronze nymph]

if saying shit that's straight up proven to be false by multiple data points is an "objective analysis of observed stats" i dont know what to tell you

[dusty basin]

You make it sound like big tech negotiation isn’t common. These aren’t firms that hire 10 people at a time. They hire hundreds, if not thousands, every year and a vast majority of them are people with other offers who negotiate quite a lot. These firms are used to negotiation and negotiation is expected if you have even half a brain cell. We don’t use “one-off” examples. We use our own experiences and those of people we know aren’t bs’ing

If you really believe the stuff you’re saying, you need a serious reality check because so far it just looks like you’ve either never applied for big tech or are just heavily coping bc you got rejected

[formal fable]

Go on levels, filter last year's new grad roles, sort by pay, tell me how many data points were FAANG as opposed to others. That's objective. FAANG don't need to pay you top dollar. Those are data points. Unlike knee jerk reactions to my comments

[dusty basin]

Lol

[bronze nymph]

half the data points on levels are false brother i hate to break it to you

[dusty basin]

The reason CoL is so high wherever faang moves is because they pay above market rate for talent

[formal fable]

What it sounds like is not what you think it is.

For millionth time, negotiations are always good, but your "experience" is just as much BS as you think I've spread here.

Past year, those thousands of hires didn't average better pays than the few 100s at smaller firms.

And you can confirm that on levels.fyi as well

[dusty basin]

Bro just stfu

[livid yew]

Step 1: Get Job
Step 2: Get paid, pretty simple

[dusty basin]

“Experience”

[formal fable]

Ah yes, the BS mob with their profound arguments. What they say is gospel, what I or levels imply is "fake news"

[dusty basin]

Coming from someone who’s never worked at a faang

On a server full of ppl who just recently went through interview cycles and got offers from faang and other top tier places

[livid yew]

end of day, it doesn't really matter how much you get paid. you wanna get exp, then move to new place

if you enjoy what you do, should be enough

[inner prawn]

@formal fable what is one of the multiple jobs you worked at that pays more than faang, I’m curious

[dusty basin]

It’s not about exp or pay. It’s about him making false claims

[bronze nymph]

there is no gospel, the fact that you don't know this speaks for itself

[formal fable]

I think you confuse working at FAANG with knowing shit... Don't succumb to your survival bias mate. Rise above your diacord fed ego

[dusty basin]

Bro dudes a guy with apparently yoe working at companies that pay more than top-tech hanging around on a ng server

What do you expect

[bronze nymph]

good point

[inner prawn]

No he’s a college student

Already looked him up

Dm me for a referral

[dusty basin]

Lol we “don’t know about faang salaries” and shit despite working and interviewing with faang

[bronze nymph]

no he's not, didn't you read his message from earlier? he's worked jobs way higher than faang

[dusty basin]

Yea he’s said it himself

[inner prawn]

For sure 100%

[formal fable]

Since when does this server only cater to NG? If I want to track trends as a current master's student with prior experience in a different country, this server is good enough a tool for me

[young peak]

Good for you! You sound like a smart guy, you wrote this whole thing out and I respect your opinion.

Negotiation isn't based upon the company you're applying to. It's all leverage. You just pointed out that brand name caries leverage yourself, so why do you think that advantage drifts away at bigger companies? I understand that the point is to apply to smaller companies since they allegedly have higher band ranges that make you a 600k giga chad as a new grad but have you also considered that the pipelines for these companies are different? The same people that got into FAANG aren't gonna automatically get into smaller companies.

My whole point is that you're doing 2 things:

1. You're spreading out this notion that negotiation is harder at a big company as opposed to a smaller one. I'll tell you first hand that it's not.
2. Smaller companies are salivating for new grads. Truth is, their headcount is next to nothing, their band ranges are tiny af and a lot of em are way out of areas you'd want to ideally live in

I personally could care less about your experience level, but understand that it is quite different at FAANG since I'm seeing that you really don't understand how it all works

[inner prawn]

Well said

[dusty basin]

On the smaller companies point though, I should add that the higher range isn’t true for the majority of smaller firms. Faang can beat most because they have a larger budget

[inner prawn]

This is why I said he’s a legend, albeit a cringe one

[livid yew]

FAANG is one of millions of options. sorta the "basic white bitch" route

[dusty basin]

The main ones that beat top tier firms are those where you have to be absolutely cracked and/or wear multiple hats

[inner prawn]

Yeah these smaller places are tight with their wallet

Bigger companies have cash to throw around

[dusty basin]

One of the reasons I love yogi is his essays tho. Man addresses all the points at once

And does it well

[livid yew]

people who work at FAANG also get $10 drinks at starbucks

[dusty basin]

Lol

[young peak]

This is what I'm saying, just recognize that there's many things to apply to and move on

[livid yew]

this is a fact

[jaunty basalt]

so did this guy ever have FAANG offer

[dusty basin]

Actually, we get them for free

[livid yew]

damn nice

[jaunty basalt]

so why they giving "advice"

[dusty basin]

[young peak]

well not all of us looks at lumen

[dusty basin]

Nah bro

That’s one thing u don’t got on me

Free Starbucks at some zon offices

[young peak]

You get free starbucks at Zon?

[dusty basin]

[young peak]

whaaaaat fr/

[dusty basin]

Ya

[young peak]

Oh dead

I got this on LN

looks like a scam lmfao

[jaunty basalt]

theres like 15 hardware companies

scam fosho

[dusty basin]

Lmao

[dusty basin]

Schedule a demo tho bro

Hell gimme their LI

$100 Doordash gift card

[young peak]

It's fake my guy smh

Nvm its totally real

Here's the link:
https://www.tinyurl.hack/givemeyourmoney

[jaunty basalt]

yeah dont u want ur friend to get some free cash

[dusty basin]

U think I’ll get extra money for logging in with zon laptop

[young peak]

make sure to use your corp username and password for extra money

[frank wedge]

I’m scared to click this

[dire yarrow]

There's a typo

the link is broken

[dusty basin]

Maybe it’s http instead of https

[young peak]

It sucks that Discord chat doesn't function like markup

[dusty basin]

K

[dusty basin]

Don’t remember asking

[livid yew]

its like markdown jr.

[dire yarrow]

You'd also want it to run js soon lmao

[frank wedge]

I never tried it. Let’ see

—-

test

• one

[livid yew]

lmao you dont use MD?

[dusty basin]

_ _

[livid yew]

DN

[frank wedge]

I use obsidian and notion, I meant I don’t try it on discord

[livid yew]

whats obsidian?

[frank wedge]

DN

[dusty basin]

I hate notion

[dire yarrow]

test

[frank wedge]

https://obsidian.md

[dusty basin]

I’m still tryna learn how to use obsidian

[frank wedge]

Skill issue

[dusty basin]

The links and shit

[winter loom]

is indeed fr closed?

[dusty basin]

Nah. Notion is overhyped

[frank wedge]

Don’t think so? I was just asked to interview

If that’s what you meant by closed

[grizzled bronze]

Notion is like Apple, Obsidian is like Android

[jaunty basalt]

strong words

[winter loom]

wait deadass? when'd you apply

[grizzled bronze]

I'm jk, I haven't really used either one

[frank wedge]

I didn’t apply, they got my email somehow and recruiter has asked me twice now. I ghosted lol

So not sure about the process but most recent ask was < 5 days

[young peak]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-kanye-west-who-asked-who-asked-meme-me-looking-for-gif-24999667

[dusty basin]

Damn

Yogi really using my own shit against me

[livid yew]

didnt answer my question

like what is it used for?

[dusty basin]

Notes

[livid yew]

ohhh

Yeah I either just use OneNote or notepad lol

[dusty basin]

Ofc armhad will glamorize it

But it’s just a glorified note taker

[livid yew]

OneNote is what Ive been using since HS

so I would hate to switch tbh

[surreal shuttle]

Still did not get Citadel OA

[dusty basin]

K

[frank wedge]

Most people use it to securely store local notes. It’s preferred over other apps because of the customizable extensions and graph that simulates creating a second brain. Your notes on goodnotes/onenote become less effective when you step away from them for a while. I can link another resource

https://fortelabs.co/blog/basboverview/

[livid yew]

doesnt notion cost $$

[dense blaze]

It recently went free

10/10

[dusty halo]

How much time does it take to get Goldman OA?

[grim talon]

enough time for a person to lose 20 Billion

[dusty basin]

Can happen in 5 minutes tbh

[dire yarrow]

how

[exotic oracle]

You spend it all on loot boxes

And candy crush

[dire yarrow]

Well, I mean, yea true

[vital meteor]

Alot of cocaine and hookers

[random cobalt]

Should a person start applying now? Or should I wait till i get a little deeper into my internship

[young peak]

Just wait till your internship is over

Grind a lot of LC in the meantime, polish your resume etc

[random cobalt]

Is LC premium worth it?

I've been a blind Leetcoder but i feel a little rusted rn

[young peak]

I had LC premium during my cycle and I think it helped me a lot. It's worth it considering the pay off

[random cobalt]

It'd be over in mid aug, do you think it's too late?

[random cobalt]

I see.

[young peak]

Most companies start rolling through apps during mid-late Aug anyway

[tired hound]

No, it wouldnt be too late. Im pretty sure most companies would still be posting then

Hell, i started in January for my job hunt

[random cobalt]

Oh yeah? I saw some open lol

[young peak]

Yeah like 5-6 are open rn

[random cobalt]

GS opened, Amazon did.

[random cobalt]

Okk thanks :)
Also are 3 internships, one Research Project and 2 projects enough?

[young peak]

I'm talking more big scope, you'll get dozens of job openings in late Aug. It's best to prepped before then

[young peak]

Sure? It all depends on how it looks on your resume

[random cobalt]

Gotcha, that makes me feel a little better, I am a little anxious rn

[random cobalt]

I see, I'll probably ask people to review it for me :)

[young peak]

Yeah drop it in the #resume channel once you feel like you're ready. Also make sure it's a bit anonymized for your safety

[young peak]

Naw no need to be. You'll get something, as we all did last year

[wild pewter]

is goldman OA auto?

[random cobalt]

:)

[dusty basin]

Ur job hunt wasn’t in a recession

[tired hound]

yeah thats true, but starting in august should not be considered late

[dusty basin]

It’s better to get it

[dusty basin]

Yea. I was just joking. August is def not late at all

Same

I mean $100-sth for $150k+ offers doesn’t sounds like a bad deal to me

[glossy pendant]

You’ll make it during onboarding day within 2 hrs of doing nothing

[young peak]

this reads like a prophetic prediction

[covert pecan]

Is it better to apply for new grad jobs now or should I grind some leetcode until mid August and start applying then?

[primal pike]

always apply

[stable holly]

what is the typical structure of apple onsites?

is it heavily team dependent

[covert pecan]

Would I get the interview earlier if I apply now? I just don't wanna be under prepared.

[primal pike]

if the positions dont close by then then u can wait

and study

[dire yarrow]

You'll get another interview if you fail this one. And another if you fail that one.

[covert pecan]

will there be a 2023 grad job posting channel added here?

[fickle bridge]

Tbh I was thinking on paying for some... I mean not necessarily Pathrise but they have professionals in these kind of platforms

[lilac siren]

u can check https://github.com/coderQuad/New-Grad-Positions-2023

[young peak]

Naw they don't. It's just SWEs that got into FAANG through their own prep or on that program (usually the latter). All they're doing is informing you of things that you can learn on your own like mock interviewing (with the Meta grading scale), LC prep (with pattern recognition), behavioral interviews, negotiations etc

Those are all things that heck I can just teach you and that'd be enough for you to continue on improving by yourself without having to pay $12,000 (which btw is the price for using Pathrise lmao I had a classmate that signed up on their program)

These places prey on imposter syndrome. They seek out qualified applicants EARLY af on linkedin, and then ask them to apply. They make you do an LC easy to get you to think you got in because you're "almost fully there", and then they just give you some shit curriculum where its really just you learning on your own but with a bit more help.

[dusty basin]

Teach me for free

[young peak]

Sorry I only teach people with potential

[dusty basin]

Ok u win this one yogi

But damn bro

Harsh

[green bronze]

My luck is absolutely amazing

Can’t win without a loss around the corner, hope the recession isn’t too bad

[dusty basin]

Best thing is to just not think about it and keep applying as u normally would

What’re u gonna do if there is a recession, just not apply? Highly doubt it

Just keep applying and practicing and you’ll land a job

[green bronze]

Tbh I’m not worried about myself, I have to get my family out of poverty and if they lose their job, I have to do more

Sucks but life is what it is

[frail beacon]

Has anyone done applied intuition phone yet and have tips to prepare?

[winter loom]

if a company doesn't specifically have new grad in its posting is it worth applying

[primal pike]

maybe

[young peak]

I feel you man. Coming from a similar situation, I completely get what you're going through

There's gonna be a place for you somewhere, you just need to do the right things at the right time

As vague as that is, that's the most accurately I can describe it

[young peak]

all love bud

[primal pike]

what webcam gud for interviews

[lament frost]

Phone camera

[primal pike]

[lament frost]

Every webcam will be fine bro

[primal pike]

yea ima stay w the laptop one

[coarse quiver]

Just get a good microphone

Microphone > camera

[lament frost]

Yea

Especially for the interviewer

[pure plank]

Has Amazon started giving OAs for new grad role now.. ??

[nocturne oriole]

in the works

the interns are writing code as we speak

we have our best coders on it

for example, kushP

yahkuna matada

this one guy yahkub quit

he left this on the work chat on his last day:

Im gonna work at hft and donate half my salary to charity so i can be a better person than u all

[ripe socket]

Oof

[primal pike]

[austere dock]

[lament frost]

I thought @nocturne oriole was in a hft

[ripe socket]

sounds like life

[dusty basin]

Wow. Yahkub is more cringe than I thought

[lament frost]

I cringe when I read on linkedin "low code developer"

[jaunty basalt]

yeah its bait

ive seen it before, its basically scratch for adults

[surreal shuttle]

Just got Shitadel OA

[frail wolf]

But you suck at poker 🤔

@nocturne oriole when 2023 grad process

[hazy gull]

hows Goldman oa guys?

[sudden depot]

do u still have the link to the job listing?

[obsidian marsh]

check pinned

[pallid kernel]

wtf

apparently i didnt have to answer "yes" to the do i need a sponsorship to work in america question

im hoping thats the reason why

[dire yarrow]

I'm sure they wouldn't reject you bc of sponsorship issue

[pallid kernel]

i feel like a lot of companies dont want to sponsor tho

but i thought i needed one as a non american citizen

apparently i can just apply for one myself if i have a job offer

so i dont have to answer yes

[dusty halo]

I don't think you can.

[pallid kernel]

the TN visa?

[dusty halo]

Employers sponsor H1-Bs

[pallid kernel]

my friend did, hes canadian and got a USA job offer

[coarse quiver]

Bs when?

[surreal shuttle]

Did you get a mail or did you check?

i need sponsorship too still not rejected

[pallid kernel]

i checked on website

[fleet flame]

Damn, Goldmans Sachs pay is kinda ass

[pallid kernel]

how much

[fleet flame]

It’s kinda all over the place but look at the analysts ones

Compared to other fintech companies, it seems to be low

[sharp plume]

am I missing something? it says that this application is a draft even though it says the application is submitting on the student portal

[frail wolf]

Maybe tn

[vital meteor]

Normal

I had something similar for my student app

[dire yarrow]

Yea I never looked at the regular portal just at university one

[proud sapphire]

Hey, how you guys doing? What are ways you use to ask referrals to companies you have no connections to?

[fleet flame]

I just apply online…

[dusty basin]

Not big companies

Amazon, msft, and G especially don’t care about sponsorship

Fb is a bit iffy sometimes

[pallid kernel]

apparently as a canadian i only need TN visa so i think im ok, and companies dont have to sponsor me

[sudden sequoia]

loll whend u apply?

[ripe socket]

is amazon gonna send OA through my e-mails?

[dusty basin]

No. They usually text u the questions and you text them back with answers

[ripe socket]

ahh ic

I wish they will text me through telegram, whatsapp sucks for software developing :/

[dusty basin]

U can ask them to follow u on Instagram and text u there

[ripe socket]

damn you're a genius

[hazy gull]

anyone do goldman

[ripe socket]

my experience told me everything should've been applied asap if you can

[winter valley]

yeah it opened up end of june I think

[grizzled bronze]

Believe in yourself
cause that's the place to start

[winter valley]

amazon hiring window is pretty big (at least it was for intern) but it can't hurt to apply early

they're pretty RNG when it comes to sending out OA too

[charred spruce]

Omg hi vinod

Hi tookey

[hazy gull]

hi

[winter valley]

some ppl get it within a few days, some get it months later

yeah np

[hazy gull]

anyone do gs

[winter valley]

hi tan

[hazy gull]

Vinnieee

[charred spruce]

Wait I’ll do my resume tn

[hazy gull]

bet

[charred spruce]

Let’s apply to goldman sach 😩😩😩

[hazy gull]

someone do gs

[winter valley]

i don't think so

[hazy gull]

this iis what happens if u ace it

[charred spruce]

What is 30 min final

[hazy gull]

yes

[winter valley]

basically what it sounds like

final interview that lasts 30 minutes

Yeah

Your performance in the steps before that basically has to be immaculate and perfect

[brave shale]

on twitter theres a rumor floating around that they're upping first year comp to 200k for IB I believe... may cause other places/sectors to up offers if true

[green bronze]

Faith Fr 🫡

[rustic rover]

Just finished G on-site. It was way easier than I expected and I did way better than expected. Still think ima farm the L tho cus I took too many hints I think

3 leetcode 1 googly

[surreal shuttle]

What kind of questions? DP, Hard graph problems?

[rustic rover]

Easy medium basic algos. Hardest q was to DFS thru an adjacency list. These interviews are luck based and anyone that says otherwise is elitist

[surreal estuary]

I’ll add another data point, i got dp and graphs on mine when I did my on-site so it’s definitely luck based

[coarse quiver]

real dp?

[rustic rover]

If the interviewer wants to fail you they will. Period

[coarse quiver]

no prefix sum

?

[surreal estuary]

Yeah it was dp

String problem

[coarse quiver]

Are you sure it's dp?

cuz I have seen so many mfs saying they got a dp question but it wasn't a dp one

[surreal estuary]

My friend that got into google also said it was dp

[dire yarrow]

I think I might've gotten lucky, I didn't see any dp problem ever in the last few months

[surreal estuary]

passed HC so whatevs ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[coarse quiver]

I didn't even start

[rustic rover]

I got

1. DFS adj list
2. Basic easy questions on arrays (actually did worst on this, the logic was a tad tricky)
3. Basic string manip + hash map

Shit is luck

[frank wedge]

Yeah, only on assessments

[dire yarrow]

Same

Oh yea I actually had a DP problem on my assessment

[compact remnant]

apps are open?

[bleak raven]

they already hiring 2023 grads ?????

[compact remnant]

i dont see it wtf

someone link?

[rustic rover]

Nah I got reached out like 4 months ago

Didn’t apply they reached out

[crystal sinew]

its def luck based

hints are ok tho

as long as you were able to properly apply them and show ur understanding in the end, its fine

for a couple of mine i had to take some hints, or do a bit extra clarification with the interviewer but it worked out

[rustic rover]

Nice I mean I’m just happy cus I met my goal of 200 solved and didn’t bomb any rounds lol

Does rejection come in email or phone call?

[lusty field]

Wait does Google have new grad postings?

[crystal sinew]

For Google you'll get a call for rejection

Overall if you think you communicated well and mostly solved the problems, and got good vibes from the interviewer ur probably good

Unfortunately your journey has only kinda begun, probably gonna take 2 weeks to hear back from the hiring committee and then even like a month to team match

[bleak raven]

my friend got pigeon mail for rejection

[crystal sinew]

After the onsite?

That's quite odd, never heard of anyone getting actual mail

Everyone ik was called for rejection or moving forward, some were just emailed about moving forward

[grizzled bronze]

2023 new grad is currently only open to people who have gotten emails from recruiters directly

[lusty field]

Woahhh how do you get to be that cool?

[nocturne oriole]

new emote

[urban gulch]

[grizzled bronze]

[bleak raven]

new emote but no new channel

[urban gulch]

LOL

[bleak raven]

blocked

[dire yarrow]

@bleak raven why do you hate west coast?

[bleak raven]

too many tech people (i’m in seattle rn, visited bay area multiple times)

all conversations go back to tech companies

and it’s stupid

[dire yarrow]

Oh I see

[bleak raven]

also it’s too much of a grind culture i feel for some reason

[grizzled bronze]

Welcome to cscareers Discord

[dusty basin]

Maybe meet more ppl

[bleak raven]

majority of people in seattle are here for work in tech

[dusty basin]

Bro y’all need to expand your circles fr

[bleak raven]

unfortunately im here for an internship so can’t do much 😭

[dusty basin]

Sadge

But hey

U get to see Seattle summer

And the crackheads

[vapid monolith]

Nice!

[vapid monolith]

LinkedIn?

[thick shell]

Who else here got into greylock?👀

[dire yarrow]

Make friends with crackheads

[fleet flame]

anybody who applied to capital one, if the website says assessment, then should i have received an OA?

[slim mortar]

[primal pike]

i gave recruiter my availability for an interview but no response for 2 days. should i email again

[valid fable]

My portal says the same thing for me and I didn’t get an oa yet

[surreal shuttle]

Which company?

[slender apex]

They should’ve sent an email. You follow their portal and it should eventually take you to the assessment

[fleet flame]

i never got an email even after applying

[slender apex]

Maybe check spam folder?

I got it like 5 min after applying

[fleet flame]

nope

i guess i'll need to email them

did i get blacklisted from them? I did cancel my final round interview with them for 2022 summer internship

[white escarp]

did cisco let interns make the cisco jobs website?

🤣

[grizzled bronze]

Cisco's recruiting experience is the worst

[white escarp]

brooooo i can't select the location so i can't finish the application

so cisco system keep spamming me to complete my app

[primal pike]

ibm

[urban gulch]

What about with another browser?

[white escarp]

same thing

[urban gulch]

Weird

[white escarp]

new grad? 👀

[primal pike]

intern

ill wait til monday

i replied within her deadline

[white escarp]

ye monday sounds good

[urban gulch]

Wrong channel I think if ur talking about intern

[primal pike]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-crying-sad-emotional-sentimental-gif-20646670

[white escarp]

some teams in ibm are reconsidering their budget so everything is kinda slowing down

[primal pike]

broke ass mfs

[white escarp]

its k u will get it

i think some teams they have hc

they just posted the intern conversion positions

[austere dock]

is it too late to apply

[thick shell]

Unfortunately yeah

[austere dock]

[thick shell]

Start looking out for it in February next year

[primal pike]

daydreaming about my interviews all week

[hazy gull]

for cap1 it says assesment

but i havent received email?

[young peak]

Kinda bittersweet that the rounds keep increasingly getting lower and lower

[fleet flame]

same

[young peak]

Like I know some people in the 2022 cycle that did 5 LC rounds + 1 googly round

Yeah

Allegedly they're supposed to be more comprehensive but honestly its prob just a lack of interview ready engineers thing

[rustic rover]

why

[glad thunder]

Is the googly interview just behavioral

[young peak]

I got into G through a 5 round process. You said your rounds were easy, and you only did 3 LC rounds

[glad thunder]

Cuz I was told this year it’s 3 LC + 1 sys design

[young peak]

Like why did I have to do more y'know? At the same time, I'm happy that people can struggle less

[rustic rover]

crabs in a bucket type shit but ok

[young peak]

Literally just said I'm happy for you

[rustic rover]

why i prob failed

[young peak]

Yeah Googliness def 0

Also @rustic rover one thing to keep in mind is that once you pass HC, there's still PA matching which can take forever or never too

So just forget about G since they take forever

[surreal estuary]

Hardstuck team match gang

[young peak]

Honestly PA matching limbo hell is brutal

On the G server, there was a guy that was stuck in PA from October till April. He got rejected in April...

[dire yarrow]

Less rounds means less liberty to make mistakes tho

[young peak]

That's true

G is all about "1 strong hire" over a mid performance overall. Sounds like they're giving less shots at a good perf by reducing rounds

[cedar zodiac]

They have a Google form on the site that will remind you too

[young peak]

Tbh sometimes I feel like I got this shit figured out because I have all these offers, but it's really impossible to know how it all works

[dusty basin]

They’ve also been giving easier questions with the reduced interviews tho. Completely anecdotal experience tho from my later rounds and a couple friends I know

[grizzled bronze]

Yes, they reach out and even skip OA/phone interviews for past candidates

[sonic coral]

Highly dependent on recruiter tho

[young peak]

That's what this guy is saying too

Not that LC rounds define a good dev, so it's not like I'm getting shittier coworkers or anything

[sonic coral]

Did your recruiter mention anything about the next cycle

As in this cycle

Hmm I guess that gives you leeway technically?

Just reach out and ask if there’s any opportunities still open

Better than applying directly into a black box

Since you have recruiter info

[dusty basin]

I mean, what’re you losing by reaching out

[random cobalt]

What would be the best way to get the most out of Leetcode Premium?

I dont have any OAs and I graduate in 2023, what would you recommend as a way to use leetcode? Should I do previously asked questions from companies before i evwn have OA or Interview with them

I have done about 350 questions so far, So i am past the blind 75

[manic spear]

tagged qs but only helpful for bloomberg and fb tbh everything else is a crapshoot

[random cobalt]

So is LC Premium not worth

[manic spear]

i’d buy for fb but other than that not really

[dusty basin]

even without fb its def worth

[random cobalt]

How would you recommend using it

It looks like there's a lot of stuff, I just wanna do the one which would be the most useful