2023_grads

[chilly burrow]

Amazon is somewhat doable

[distant summit]

im not even a 2023 grad, idk why im even here

yeah

L5 400k

google it

ofc you have to absolutely crush ur interview and demonstrate that ur a system design / MLE god

but its doable. just like snap

[chilly burrow]

I've seen senior swes from Stripe, Instacart, FAANG, and other top tech get rejected from Snap

So you really need to be goated

[distant summit]

performance at job has no correlation with performance at interview

interviews naturally reward narcissistic sociopaths who lie about work experience and slack off at work to leetcode and interview prep

[ornate cliff]

you work ft?

[distant summit]

yah

[chilly burrow]

Well obv

[distant summit]

at amazon

[chilly burrow]

I'm just sayin they're hard

[distant summit]

passed goog onsite, in HC rn

[chilly burrow]

Which is what ur sayin as well I think

[grizzled bronze]

If you pass Yahkunazon you can pass any interview

[ornate cliff]

no one said that lol he just saying it's hard af

[chilly burrow]

How would you know the q b4 hand?

[ornate cliff]

he means he seen it before

oh nvm lol

[chilly burrow]

U work for Confluent

That's sick af

Oh

Where r u interning if u don't mind me askin?

Moneydoor?

Cashdoor?

Billdoor?

I don't understand 😕

Oh lmaoo

[ornate cliff]

🪟

[chilly burrow]

^ ya that would've been better

[rain patio]

That’s a gate?

[chilly burrow]

I thought u wer tryna say Stripe or Cashapp or smth lol

[distant summit]

i was gonna say doordash

[chilly burrow]

Curious tho, what were the other 2 hardest in ur opinion

I've only interviewed at 3 top/mid tech companies

[grizzled bronze]

Gates Foundation

[chilly burrow]

Rlly coursera?

They're asking hards?

Damn

Dats messed up fr

Ya, depending on the scale of the company

Like Google will probably have a wide variety of q difficulty

But a small startup not so much

[ornate cliff]

zon you get 2 sum

[chilly burrow]

Also afaik it seems Snap intern interviews are all medium/hards in first round and guaranteed hard for the second

[umbral plover]

quora was my most difficult, shit gives me ptsd

[distant summit]

fuck startups

[chilly burrow]

I've heard Quora has insane questions

[distant summit]

they ask the worst questions and then have the gall to lowball you afterwards

f em

[rain patio]

for 2023 ng?

[distant summit]

no im FTE

i just came here to briefly shitpost

nice name btw

[rain patio]

I was in HC for 14 weeks then got an L. I wish you luck

[ornate cliff]

do you have any say which team to pick? like fb?

[rain patio]

you asking me?

[ornate cliff]

and hydro

its about the process not the results

[rain patio]

Yeah. If you pass more than one HC interview. I had only one and did not pass

[ornate cliff]

the google team match thing

[scenic mason]

HC is hiring committee, its differnet than team match

[ornate cliff]

oh I see

[rain patio]

I think people dont use HC in that meaning then, because you don't actually have interviews with the HC do you?

[old smelt]

Do you mean to say HM (hiring manager) interview

I think it's actually called host matching at Google

[inner prawn]

new grad?

[rain patio]

summer 2022 intern

[surreal shuttle]

Yo when does amazon 2023 grad open?

I do not have any internship experience and now I need to apply for new grad

Kind of scared that i end up not getting any job

[chilly burrow]

Prob August

[chilly burrow]

Nah don't worry too much

I would say a large amt of cs kids grad with no internship/relevant work experience

[lilac locust]

What is a “good” internship

[chilly burrow]

What do you mean by good?

Imo a good internship is an internship in your field at any company that people can recognize

But the definition of good varies for evry1

[lilac locust]

any company? i see

but what if i did nothing at lets say

amazon

then

[chilly burrow]

If you had an Amazon internship it don't really matter what u did there

The name alone should get you some callbacks lol

[fresh lagoon]

then its great for your resume not for your skills

[lilac locust]

what about a company that sell lumber

[chilly burrow]

Did u do software work?

[lilac locust]

yes

[chilly burrow]

Then it adds some value

[lilac locust]

but not as much as "doing nothing @ amazon"

[chilly burrow]

Well obviously not

[lilac locust]

unlucky

[chilly burrow]

What's with the question?

It's suspiciously specific

[lilac locust]

im just wondering

because im actually learning here

but its not obviously FAANG tier

[chilly burrow]

You have to think about it from a recruiters point of view

[lilac locust]

wonder if that gives me sort of a leg

up

[chilly burrow]

Lile obviously you may not have done anything at Amazon

But the recruiter can see the name

Also even if you did do a lot of significant work at a no-name

[lilac locust]

i mean

[chilly burrow]

It doesn't mean too much to the recruiter. Because you can only express so much. And a person who does little to nothing at Amazon can just exaggerate their impact

[lilac locust]

i wouldnt say my company isnt a no-name

[fresh lagoon]

it should be easy to talk about your work and show that you learned during your interviews which is worth something, but yeah getting to that point is definitely gonna be harder

[lilac locust]

its just not a traditional tech company lol

its retail

retail f50

[chilly burrow]

That's pretty good

Still less than Amazon tho

[lilac locust]

figures

[dire yarrow]

Walmart?

[lilac locust]

no

its retail but not walmart/target

[slate bobcat]

Kmart?

[lilac locust]

Read what I said carefully

[slate bobcat]

What part

I did read carefully

[lilac locust]

reread it again.

[slate bobcat]

f50?

I don’t know if Kmart is f50

I’m guessing it is

[slate bobcat]

What is it?

[lilac locust]

[slate bobcat]

Actually WAHT

[slate bobcat]

This?

[lilac locust]

As of April 16, 2022, that number was down to nine, including just three in the continental states.

[slate bobcat]

oh

I thought Kmart was still a thing

[lilac locust]

Kmarts are extinct.

[slate bobcat]

I don’t follow news

I don’t even know what companies are f50

[pulsar mural]

@slate bobcat

I keep getting accused of hacking in cs go

that’s how good I am

[lilac locust]

Well you can figure it out

[fresh lagoon]

SPINBOT

[lilac locust]

especially since you are connect with me

[slate bobcat]

LETS GO BABY

[slate bobcat]

This is too much work

[verbal sorrel]

@pulsar mural just stop respawning man

[lilac locust]

And this is why you’re grass challenged

[verbal sorrel]

@pulsar mural @slate bobcat I want you both to know

[rain patio]

Bro where do you find these

[verbal sorrel]

Don’t worry about it

[slate bobcat]

WHAT IN THE WORLD

[inner prawn]

@verbal sorrel have u watched all of adventure time

[verbal sorrel]

Yes

[inner prawn]

absolute chad

now i need to binge it

[verbal sorrel]

Nah enjoy it day to day

Savor the adventure you’re about to undergo. Remember it’s about the journey brother.

[inner prawn]

very true, will enjoy it slowly then

[dire yarrow]

You're accused of being a bot

too

[calm shale]

Join me for some midnight snack

[calm shale]

my brain is spiced out

why did i do that

[verbal sorrel]

Yeah dude that shit was hot for me

I love spicy food and shit

But that fucking noodle killed me inside

[calm shale]

bruh im drooling

[ornate cliff]

can't wait to make 6 figs so I can enjoy snacks like this

[verbal sorrel]

Dude it is no joke

That shit had me sipping from the faucet and eating bread for a solid 10 minutes on god

I also usually try to minimize the water needed after draining so the sauce isn’t too soupy or some shit

[ornate cliff]

invest in a bidet

[slim mortar]

the only thing i invest in is dn

[blissful sonnet]

Situation is much worse if you are a guy who needs visa sponsorship in the future. Basically internship is a must have before new grad or you are done 😫

[chilly burrow]

Oh shit I didn't even think abt that

Yeah I guess if you have no internships + need a visa, you may be at a disadvantage

[slim mortar]

[elder locust]

Amazon's new ad on teamblind

[calm shale]

Holy shit

That’s so funny

[blissful sonnet]

Suuuure...

[dire yarrow]

@dusty basin

[dusty basin]

No they won’t bro. Chill

Oh wait

Ur in AWS

Rip

[dire yarrow]

I got aws

Yea

Lmao

[dusty basin]

gg bro

[vital meteor]

Same brah

[dusty basin]

Ur aws?

[vital meteor]

Yea

[dusty basin]

Gg bro

[vital meteor]

Either pip or sde2 speed run

[dusty basin]

We both know which one is more likely

[dire yarrow]

[dusty basin]

Bro just transfer to my team

Chill ass wlb

[dire yarrow]

Tony unleashed hell by giving me nitro

[dusty basin]

Lol

Imagine being the one responsible for giving @mellow summit nitro

I have to live with that for the rest of my life

Kirb will hate me

[dire yarrow]

You're gonna get negative karma

[dusty basin]

He’s a cool dude

Just needs to chill lol

[dire yarrow]

[vital meteor]

I think aws to amazon

You have to reinterview

[dusty basin]

Do u?

It depends I think

Just talk to hiring manager before u apply and sometimes you don’t need to interview

[vital meteor]

I'll see, team looked chill from what I saw but they coulda been crying on the inside

[dusty basin]

Lol who knows

[lament frost]

Pack the bag and get pip'd bro 💯

[rain patio]

is aws that bad

dodged a bullet there (by getting resume rejected)

[lament frost]

Fat TC to cover daily pip

[rain patio]

isn't it same TC as amazon

[dense blaze]

@lilac locust STREET RACING IN BAKU HAPPENING RN

[rain patio]

You and KushP

[lilac locust]

waz ping

[lament frost]

Apparently not

[vital meteor]

i havent started yet

[rain patio]

[woven sable]

anyone receive this? have you done it?

[grizzled bronze]

Haha just saw it on the mobile app

[shy breach]

[inner prawn]

AWS TC is absolutely thicc

[rain patio]

how thicc is it

[inner prawn]

200k+ for entry level, 350-400k for SDE 2 I think

[grizzled bronze]

Harder than Yahkunazon, anyone can get into Yahkunazon

[vital meteor]

Yea sde2 for aws is nice

[dense blaze]

Like you sir

[surreal shuttle]

Which is considered better? AWS or Amazon?

[jagged torrent]

Should I learn Fortran or CSS first? Trying to get into coding

[surreal shuttle]

Assembly tbh

[inner prawn]

Better in what way

[vital meteor]

pip

[sonic coral]

Well AWS is just one org at zon and zon consists of more than two orgs lol

[jagged torrent]

You can run from the pip

But you can’t hide

[vital meteor]

what about from the piped

[timber rapids]

AWS new grad comp was 192k nyc

was same for any other team

although maybe if you apply for AWS and not the general new grad role it might be more

[inner prawn]

AWS industry hire is now 200k remote

[timber rapids]

goddamn

[inner prawn]

You could be in Kansas making that

Which is why I’m giving myself lots of time to prepare lol

[vital meteor]

i was able to get 195k+7.5k relo seattle, more if i had competing offer though

[timber rapids]

They negotiate new grad? I never tried I thought they didnt negotiate 😭

[vital meteor]

i did industry loop

[timber rapids]

ohhhh ok

[rough ruin]

what is industry loop

[jagged torrent]

@vital meteor how was the sys design?

[sonic coral]

AWS is same pay as zon

[vital meteor]

i got OOD only wasnt too bad

[timber rapids]

Ahh ok, wasnt completely sure if comp might change based on team

[jagged torrent]

So 3 tech one OOD?

Did you have behavioural round or all hybrid rounds

[sonic coral]

Nah comp is based on role it’s not like OCI Vs oracle for example

[vital meteor]

2 tech 1 OOD 1 all behavioral

the behavioral round was the hardest round imo

[jagged torrent]

Yeah behavioural at Amazon is rough

[inner prawn]

Technicals aren’t bad as long as you don’t get screwed like me. OOD can be weird. And behavioral is hard af. They dive so deep it’s ridiculous

[rain patio]

lol my amzn lc was light

they asked me simple tree Q

but i didnt have the LP stories

so i got fucked on that part

would you go to amazon

[rain patio]

not anymore

now ill wait for SDE2 level

but who knows where ill be by then

[surreal shuttle]

Any resources for amazon LP?

[rain patio]

you can find the questions online

but the hard part is coming up with ur own stories

im being serious lol

hard to fake a story

they ask about every detail

i mean u can exaggerate

but completely fake a story, a lil harder

[vital meteor]

yea i didnt make shit up and i still felt like i was being interrogated

[rain patio]

but for amazon ng / intern loops, LPs arent as bad. I'd say industry theres more focus on LP

[rain patio]

yeah HM asked me a Q and I froze

never been in the scenario lmaooo

[vital meteor]

half of the questions i was like "Yea i actually told this story before..."

i prepared like 8 stories

and hm round i used like all of em

[rain patio]

and then companies like coinbase ask 0 behavorial

its so funny

im more of a 0 behavioral guy myself

-failed datadog behavioral

how much weight does datadog brand name hold on resume

idk probably a lot

[frank wedge]

More than 0

[timber rapids]

there should be an amazon LP page on their site somewhere, To prep I’d recommend making a google doc with all 16 LP’s and have a real story for each

[rain patio]

nice

[timber rapids]

ideally a unique story for all 16 but thats really difficult, I had about 9 or so fleshed out stories

some stories applied to multiple LPs

[rain patio]

less than infinity

some lps i dont think u need for sde, but idk

[timber rapids]

behavioral is just as important as the LC imo

[rain patio]

yeh amazon takes it real serious

[vital meteor]

yea recruiter told me about 8-9 lps to focus on

[rain patio]

yet everyone there seems to be a dickhead

lmao

[inner prawn]

Those guys are the absolute worst. God complex

And mad cause they know external offers at lower levels beat their comp

[sonic coral]

Yeah some people at zon really drank the LP koolaid

[rain patio]

one good thing about amazon, always an opp to interview with them

recruiters always reaching out

[sonic coral]

Even when you’re currently with them

[inner prawn]

Yeah, I interview with them every other month

[rain patio]

LMAOOOO

[vital meteor]

in google roundtable rn,

[sonic coral]

Round table?

[vital meteor]

still alot of people in the interview loop

yea the engineering round table

[inner prawn]

Wait what’s that, did your recruiter give you a link or something?

I never got that

[vital meteor]

did you do the onsite form

the opt in for the round table was on there

[inner prawn]

Oh no I’m still at phone stage lol

[vital meteor]

it seems to be just QA and talking about the experience of google engineers

[sonic coral]

What is that

Oh like a general QnA for google

I see

[inner prawn]

Wow that’s a lot of people

And a lot of incoming rejects

[vital meteor]

i wonder if it would be possible to work G and A at the same time

[inner prawn]

If G is actually 5-10 hours a week then probably

TC: 400k lol

[vital meteor]

my amazon team is fully remote....

[inner prawn]

Lol lmk how the faang moonlighting goes

[sonic coral]

You could be in deep shit if oncall at zon interferes with G

[sonic coral]

Also tbh this isn’t really the case from people I’ve talked to, it’s more like 20-30 hr a week for new grads

The 5-10 hr a weeks are for more senior people who get shit done early

[vital meteor]

How to get 400+k TC (As an ex-google ex-amazon engineer)

[inner prawn]

Yep that makes more sense, I’ll admit my source is blind and those guys lie left and right

The Blind flex is obviously having a high TC and barely working

[sonic coral]

Yeah like the people who coast at google usually are pretty cracked and do all their tasks early

Then obv rest of the week is free lol

[rain patio]

anyone here already working FT or interviewing for FT? I see only Akuna and VMWare on the pinned repo

[inner prawn]

Me for both

[rain patio]

where are interviewing at?

[inner prawn]

Bloomberg, AWS, Google, Relativity Space

[surreal shuttle]

For 2023? Are they open yet?

[inner prawn]

I’m experienced

Bloomberg is entry level though and I think amazon is always hiring lol

[rain patio]

any pointers for resume for amazon? 4 guys i know got internship offers. I didn't even get OA. been down bad

feel i've been blacklisted.

I applied again recently. 2 weeks ago. nothing. and I know they move fast

do you have any experience?

did you apply late?

no. but one of the guys did not either.

[timber rapids]

nah they move hella slow

[rain patio]

not the first time

[timber rapids]

I applied late August, got OA mid october, took final late january

[rain patio]

not Google slow though

[timber rapids]

this was last year though

[rain patio]

don't really have tips lol

thought they interviewed anyone who could breathe

apparently not

just make sure your resume looks tidy and reapply next year

sometimes it's rng

[honest cloak]

Google isn’t even that slow lmao

[slate bobcat]

?avatar @timber rapids

[earnest warren]

Avatar for red wheelchair#1245

Link as

png | jpg | webp

[jaunty basalt]

pretty red to me

[dusty basin]

R u blind lol

It’s clearly blue

[jaunty basalt]

U hopping on the lumen hate train too now?

[dusty basin]

Bro what is it with u guys and lumen hate

[jaunty basalt]

idk bro lol

if u search lumen u see it

[dusty basin]

Y u searching for me b

[jaunty basalt]

[rain patio]

He wants to sawcon

[dusty basin]

He really does want to sawcon

[gleaming fable]

Yup I feel like if you break it down for in-person roles, working at google is like 7 hours on-site but including meetings and shit so in reality you're only doing real swe work for about half that time

[dusty basin]

Your what kush

Sending ss to kirb rn

[slate bobcat]

SEND IT HERE FIRST

PROVE IT

[dusty basin]

No

[slate bobcat]

EXPOSED

[slate bobcat]

Yeah but it’s remote Friday

so you can do whatever you want

[dire yarrow]

Where do you work?

Unemployed

I get where yahkuna learns all this from

[amber forge]

Hey, can anyone tell how important is System Design for interviews as a fresh grad?

[nocturne oriole]

[blissful sonnet]

I actually heard the opposite. You probably won't see system design at FAANG interview, but smaller companies like asking it. Damn, even some internship interview already include it.
I would definitely read about it, not some crazy deep details, but some general info to be aware of the basics

System design interview by Alex Xu

[vital shale]

Do you guys know about Barclays H1b policy?

my friend recently got the job from Barclays but she needs to consider if the company will sponsor H1b or not

[gleaming fable]

not generally important besides a case by case basis

Atlassian asks sys design for new grads as an example, google is going to start v soon

[sonic quail]

bruh is it possible to get L4 as a new grad?

[sonic coral]

Yes go to amazon

Jk in all seriousness as a bachelors prob not but goog will consider masters for L4 sometimes

[gleaming fable]

very rarely, like rob says

generally you need to have a MS or PhD for L4 + internships at good companies or are just insanely cracked at the interview

[sonic quail]

I just realize i have like 1.5 YOE from internships so was thinking of trying

[sonic coral]

Internships usually don’t count

[umbral plover]

vmware reject

[white escarp]

I think vmware auto rejected if u need sponsorship

🤣

[dusty basin]

Yes I am L4

[dense zodiac]

wait google? really?

[dire yarrow]

[dire yarrow]

In Amazon

Amazon L4 is new grad

[dusty basin]

Yes

[dusty basin]

Yea

Y r u a party pooper @dire yarrow

[dire yarrow]

[dusty basin]

That’s why no team wants to match with u

[dire yarrow]

[dense zodiac]

google technicals are already hard, now they're gonna ask system design oof

[dusty basin]

System design isn’t that hard

Especially for ng

U get more leeway

[dense zodiac]

yeah but it's just more to study for

[dusty basin]

Fair

[vital meteor]

have they started?

[dusty basin]

Don’t u already have cracked offer gamja

[dense zodiac]

i no lifed my life away studying system design for netflix

[dusty basin]

No

[vital meteor]

i have onsite next week

[dusty basin]

Gg bro

[dense zodiac]

yah i have an offer

damn

[dusty basin]

Yea so why do u care lol

[dense zodiac]

it's june and google still interviewing

[dusty basin]

Yea

[rain patio]

Is this for a 2023 new grad role?

[dense zodiac]

i'm being sympathetic for the 2023 new grads lol

[dire yarrow]

Both

[dusty basin]

Is it both

I don’t think so

[dire yarrow]

Yes you can probably push your start date to 24

[rain patio]

damn wish me luck homie

[dire yarrow]

23

[dusty basin]

These are interviews scheduled for 2022 cycle apps

[dusty basin]

P sure u can do it until end of year

[dire yarrow]

Ohh yea

[dense zodiac]

good luck to you and all your fellow cscareers peers

[dire yarrow]

True

[dusty basin]

Null spreading misinformation

[dire yarrow]

Are you 23 grads?

[dusty basin]

https://tenor.com/view/fake-news-news-donald-donald-trump-drumpf-gif-7676808

[rain patio]

ill be recruiting

[dusty basin]

Batcox is 21 grad

[dire yarrow]

All this time I thought you were 22 grad

[pulsar mural]

Batcox

[dusty basin]

They bamboozled us

[dire yarrow]

[dusty basin]

Yahkuna do u like batcox

[pulsar mural]

[rain patio]

lets not discriminate based on grad date

we are all people

[dire yarrow]

Do you like bat's cox

[dusty basin]

Aren’t u a catbox

[dense zodiac]

this emoji makes me think of covid

[rain patio]

yes but I have rights too

[dusty basin]

Like what

[rain patio]

freedom of speech

freedom to apply to 2023 grad opps

[dusty basin]

Freedom to get resume rejected

Batcox my love

Come to Seattle so we can finally be together

[dense zodiac]

just realized i can finally delete lockdown browser

[gleaming fable]

Fuck lockdown browser and proctorio

Trying to stop me from cheating on tests, the gall

[dire yarrow]

We'll apply to all the 23 grads positions with FAANG resumes and hog their interviews

[gleaming fable]

Literally my plan

I graduated this may so I'm p sure recs will give me leeway and allow me into ng pipelines or early career at the worst

Sorry 23 grads I need google

[dire yarrow]

Yea lot of new grad apps mention "recent graduates" too. You can apply to them

[nocturne oriole]

@rain patio answer is no

[rain patio]

[rough ruin]

i got hit up by a aws rec yesterday i praying

[fair zinc]

Amazon opened ng applications in May lasy year

what about this year?

[chilly burrow]

I thought they opened them in late July last year?

[rain patio]

recommendations for sys design please

[frank wedge]

Yeah

[still ibex]

Has anyone interviewed with Akuna for quant trading/research in the past?

[dusty basin]

P sure they did

[rigid quail]

probably gonna be delayed considering the stock prices

[rain patio]

because the name

[white escarp]

ur grad?

why LOL

stock is gonna discount soon

gotta vest it

[sonic coral]

well if you're using a vpn it should be fine since its encrypted

if your work doesnt give you a vpn i'd refrain from doing corporate stuff on an open network

yeah check if you have a vpn

is this windows or mac

yeah i'd be careful of doing work in a public wifi with no vpn

i guess you could ask your manager

[rigid quail]

end of this year

[white escarp]

Sameee

Leave me a job offer during recession plz 😭

[tawny bloom]

where in that email does it say offer

[elder locust]

https://www.reddit.com/r/csMajors/comments/v9nryi/amazon_recruiter_spam_email_abuse_are_getting/

[lyric cosmos]

Oh lol is this channel new?

[gleaming fable]

It's been around like a week lol

[inner prawn]

Another night finishing work at 10:20 pm

God help me

[vital meteor]

do you start late or is this 8+ hours

[dusty basin]

Tf why

[mossy niche]

where the hell areu working

[inner prawn]

I start at 12

[inner prawn]

One word: Bangalore

[inner prawn]

Goldman Ballsacks

[mossy niche]

FT?

It shouldn't be that hard jesus

[inner prawn]

Ya full time. Banking hours are just terrible

[vital meteor]

[dusty basin]

That’s still more than 8 hours bro

[visual wren]

yeah i quit golden ballsacks cuz of that

[inner prawn]

Really? Do you mind saying where you went to after that? Or dm me lol

[inner prawn]

Yep, usually 10+ hours a day rn

[dire yarrow]

That's 10.5 hours

hits 50 over a week

[dusty basin]

Damn slum

[verbal sorrel]

Fuck man

[lilac locust]

So where is the part I drink to forget about my fucked up life

[sonic coral]

Don’t

[lilac locust]

wdym don’t

:)

[sonic coral]

As in don’t drink to make the problems go away

Because they won’t

[dense blaze]

White wine is the best for this

Since it won’t give you a killer hungover 🦫

[dense blaze]

Checo p1

[lilac locust]

it’s an external

Source

[dense blaze]

When does Yakhunazon open their 2023 New Grad apps?

[grizzled bronze]

They're not planning to, recession

Possible acquisition by American Express

[dire yarrow]

CEO says he's demotivated

[coarse quiver]

Possible conversion into military company with lockhead

[calm shale]

Where 2023 grad process

[dire yarrow]

Did you start process with any company yet?

[frigid ember]

yeah i got my google 2027 offer

they haven’t sent me the OA yet but it’s coming one of these days

[dire yarrow]

[grizzled bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-wazowski-cursed-terror-moving-move-gif-16644513

[wheat forum]

not enough companies open yet for me to spend the time adding it

have to update a few services on backend so it isn’t as easy as making this chan lol

[young peak]

In the meantime could you add in some more roles like company roles for verified offers?

[wheat forum]

both require work from my end how is it any different

[dire yarrow]

you can add roles and make peasants like @nocturne oriole verify.

!users

[cerulean basin]

cscareers.dev server currently has 52196 members (6893 currently online).

[chilly burrow]

I don't see why company roles are necessary

Just seems like flexing lol

Plus u can just add it to ur nickname

[grizzled bronze]

Verified offers is gonna be a lot more work for mods though. Better for people to put their company in their profile bio or server nickname.

[young peak]

Damn really got roasted for an idea

[young peak]

I'd love to help with this if you feel like this is something you want to remotely consider. It doesn't have to be company roles, just more roles is what I'm aiming for

[wheat forum]

i dont really see the positives of company roles

what are they?

[red heath]

also it's so much on our mods

mods got lifes

unlike me

[dire yarrow]

[grizzled bronze]

I agree, there really is no point. People can just add their company to their profile or in their server nickname as I said.

And verified offers only makes sense for company specific Discords.

[young peak]

Y’all haters fr

[coarse quiver]

Yogi copping really hard rn

I'm wondering why

[sonic coral]

Also there’s so many companies out there that there’s no shot of getting roles for everyone

[dire yarrow]

People might be capping about their companies for all we know. I work at Akuna that's the only advantage we have. But it's futile I agree

[slate bobcat]

Congrats on the Jane street offer @pulsar mural!

Null say it

I see you typing

[dire yarrow]

I edited my message .

[young peak]

Damn rob 🐍

[heavy sundial]

Someone on Blind saying Lyft is harder to get into than any FAANG is making me regret not accepting their offer 😦 although maybe in a recession google will be safer

[sonic coral]

The truth is if you only do the most popular companies as roles then it’ll make people who work/got offers elsewhere feel kinda shitty

[sonic coral]

You’ll 100% be able to get into Lyft after several years at a faang bro

and also don’t listen to blind lmfao

[heavy sundial]

i already had an offer at Lyft and reneged for Google 😦

[sonic coral]

If you value your mental health/sanity

[sonic coral]

They’re not gonna care in the future

[heavy sundial]

yeah i just worry i set back my career

[atomic karma]

jesus

why does where's harder to get into matter

[young peak]

How would Lyft progress your career better? You'll never get as good of an environment to grow as Google imo

[heavy sundial]

it has faster promos, and if it is perceived as more selective that seems like it would help

idk, maybe a "Grass is always greener on the other side" situation

if i had accepted lyft, i probably would be thinking "OMG how could i have turned down GOOGLE wtf was i thinking" and worrying about layoffs going into a recession

[young peak]

Lmao how does being perceived as more selective help? Also faster promos does not mean good environment for growth. Promotions aren't growth, they're just titles that depict the scope of your work

[atomic karma]

which offer was higher

[heavy sundial]

well, titles with a huge TC jump. Lyft T3 = 200k, T4 = 300k, T5 = 400k. and there are people who get to T5 in 3 years

[heavy sundial]

Google matched Lyft offer so roughly the same

[atomic karma]

what do you value though

prestige or money

[dire ore]

tbh no one ik uses lyft

and most people ik use uber

[heavy sundial]

both lol i am a small person

[atomic karma]

you're short?

[heavy sundial]

maybe i will try to hop to Meta for E5 in 1 year

[atomic karma]

[heavy sundial]

[dire ore]

one thing i noticed about working at google is that everyone is nice af @heavy sundial

[atomic karma]

lmao i dont know what small person means

[heavy sundial]

selfish, petty, close-minded, etc. I was joking though 😆

[heavy sundial]

i hope the same is true in the GCP org 😬

i think my team sounds cool though

[dire ore]

I am in GCP

legit, my team has a party planning committee where they organize a happy hour

go out barhopping with the team

every week

I did notice that people worked harder compared to other teams. But it was a work hard for 8 hours and get off immediately at 4-5 kind of work hard mentality

[heavy sundial]

that sounds dope lol i hope my team is like that

[chilly burrow]

Google and Lyft are equal imo

Both r top tier

[glossy pendant]

Is this even possible

[heavy sundial]

woops typo meant E4 lol

[glossy pendant]

Bout to give me a heart attack bro

[atomic karma]

is that even possible too

[heavy sundial]

yes

[timid charm]

yeah the hiring bar is higher but also the company is shit rn. faang will fair much better in a recession, but even in general, it isn't like lyft has some crazy high performing stock or upside. they are getting dicked by uber rn and it shows in the stock price. these last few quarters have been brutal. lyft's only real advantage over uber was that uber branched out into delivery and ate the costs of that while lyft stayed with rideshare and didn't accumulate that many expenses. however, lyft still hasn't come close to shifting market share against uber in the last year or so, and eats/delivery is getting more profitable for uber, making lyft (from a stock standpoint) a poor choice imo.

so who cares if the hiring bar was higher or whatever, you went with an almost objectively better offer given the current circumstances of both companies lol

[heavy sundial]

hmm those are good points

[timid charm]

and worst case, if you don't end up liking google or whatever, just swap companies

its really easy to overthink this stuff, but take a step back - you're fine 😛

[dire ore]

it's actually simple to simply switch teams at google

google has internal job board

and you can simply dm a hiring manager

and they'll call you for 30 minutes

and you're in

[calm shale]

man we need a name for people like you. people who look at blind and cant be happy with their current situation

[dire ore]

For me, google has something that many other companies don't. Easy international job transfers and stress free work authorization done for me.

I want to work in Tokyo, London, Berlin, San Paolo etc. Since I'm young I want go work in different countries and Google has that opportunity available.

[atomic karma]

https://tenor.com/view/z1-greed-im-greed-im-greedy-gif-15698741

[timid charm]

yep def a big perk. only real downside is low impact work for devs under staff/some seniors and that god awful L4-L5 transition. great place for early career tho.

[slate bobcat]

GREED

Greed was a good man

[rough ruin]

he much better in OG FMA

[urban gulch]

is this possibly for 2023? https://www.riotgames.com/en/work-with-us/job/4263051/associate-software-engineer-early-career-los-angeles-usa

[young peak]

There you go. That's why getting into a Lyft role would be generally harder, because there's an equivalent amount of TC involved. Then again, I didn't feel like my interviews this season were as hard as some peoples so it might honestly be just better TC at Lyft. At the same time, you're not considering what a good technical environment google offers. I think when you start, you'll value a lot of different things more beyond TC and prestige.

Prestige is important to me too man, I want to be able to lift my head up high in front of my peers just like you. The thing about our asian culture is that we oftentimes get so lost in the rhythm of others that we fail to realize that there's more to it than just the name brand we stitch onto ourselves. I'm kind of a basic bitch too, so I value money, prestige and all the good stuff. I didn't just negotiate like crazy for the lols. My point is, Lyft is great so is Google. Don't feel FOMO for choosing one or the other because you can boomerang however many times you want in 1-2 years.

Also tbh, I don't know a single person that talks about Lyft the same way they talk about Google if that matters to you

[heavy sundial]

hmm this is is a good take

appreciate it

[vital meteor]

Wot so if I want to work in Japan I can? Does your TC change

[dire ore]

yes

you can work in japan

and tc change

but COL is obviously different

in say bay than Japan. You can afford a very nice apartment 1bed 1 bath with the equivalent of $1700 a month in japan

[calm shale]

Bruh this server is generally better than blind in terms of culture. Pls don’t start min maxing prestige now

[dire ore]

I asked my mentor about how easy it is to do international transfers. And what I was told was that it was no problem at all

as long as the team in Japan is okay with it, they'll do everything for you

Google is very very good with getting work visas

They speak English in all offices and the Google culture is homogeneous between u.s and foreign offices

[vital meteor]

I was thinking more like airbnb where you can work there for like 3 months with same tc

Even considering col there seems to be a gap in pay in like europe/asia and usa

[dire ore]

true, but TC doesn't matter that much for me. (In that it isn't at the top of my priorities)

I realized it after going from Amazon to Google. WLB + team culture is really really nice

[vital meteor]

How long did you work at amazon ? I'm there rn with google onsite

[dire ore]

interned

last summer, everything felt stressed and I felt rather disconnected from teammates

saw people on at like 11PM or 12Am working

[twin ivy]

dang thats rough, can't imagine what it'd be like for FTE

[dusty basin]

U can do that with just about any faang

[vital meteor]

Yea I meant like the Airbnb perk lol

[dusty basin]

Oh. Nah. Nowhere then

G has max 4 weeks international iirc

[vital meteor]

That's still pretty good

[dusty basin]

Amazon is shit so they have 2 weeks

But it varies by country

Tho

I take back the shit comment

[vital meteor]

So 2 weeks we can go w/o taking time off? Work in that location then do shit after work

[dusty basin]

Since 2 weeks are enough for me

[dusty basin]

Yes

[vital meteor]

[rough ruin]

working in Japan would be cool long as its something like google ya. cuz they pay super low otherwise

[dusty basin]

And my manager told me that they can adjust their timings a bit to suit me if I work in another country

So not bad

[buoyant finch]

now that this channel applies to me im stressed

[dusty basin]

Oh and if you’re visiting for 2 weeks or whatever in another country

Amazon doesn’t change TC

They do change if u request for more than 2 weeks tho afaik

[vital meteor]

Yea atleast to me 2 weeks is fine for a vacation

I hope that applies to amazon canada too

[vital meteor]

canada

[dusty basin]

U still can’t. Companies limit the amount of time you can spend working in another country because of tax reasons

U have to pay taxes in the foreign country tho

Depending on their tax-residency rules

So most companies don’t allow for more than a month most

Without adjusting comp

[young peak]

^ So the airbnb thing is most likely a PR stunt to pull in talent

But if it’s true, I imagine that you pay a flat rate for the country you’d go to + whatever tax deductions you’d incur in the state you reside in

[dusty basin]

Tax evasion not good lol

[ashen sonnet]

Have you found this out by any chance?

[vital meteor]

Will they check my ingame chat

[dense blaze]

@vital meteor can I visit u in Vancouver

[vital meteor]

are you coming to vancouver

[dense blaze]

Nah but if you cuddle with me Ai might in the future

My brother is studying at uCalgary

Close enough

[vital meteor]

only if im little spoon

[rain patio]

Does backend pay more than frontend?

[orchid plank]

There are digital nomad visas you can get for certain countries

[chilly burrow]

Not rlly

Unless ur doin dist systems afaik it's the same

[blissful sonnet]

levels fyi shows bigger pay for backend

[rain patio]

True

[blissful sonnet]

Not always though

[verbal sorrel]

On average, yes.

[vital meteor]

Backend usually pays more in tech and other things

[stuck rune]

Hello! im new the server, if i am graduating in august does that make me a 2023 or a 2022 grad?

in my uni it's 2022 but i heard for job apps, it's different

[jagged torrent]

You’re a “new grad” for a year after you graduate for the most part

[stuck rune]

i see so it doesn't matter whether it's an august grad or a may grad?

[jagged torrent]

I mean it’s not a solid definition I think but from my understanding you can use the term new grad for your first year out of school, so by next year may/august you wouldn’t be a new grad anymore but I don’t see why you wouldn’t be able to apply until end of 2023 for NG positions

[vital meteor]

Some companies also have different definition for new grad

Amazon is 6 months after grad

MS and I believe google is like 1 year

[stuck rune]

I see, thank you

[rain patio]

Amazon got zero chill

[young peak]

Also you can adjust dates depending on the company you're applying to. If you have no restrictions on how far out your job needs to be, you can put on your resume that you're set to graduate May 2023

Then you can safely apply to all new grad jobs with little to no worries

[normal palm]

hey does anyone have a template for "work applications" within a spread sheet? thank you in advance!

[stuck rune]

👀 thank you

[wild prairie]

this channel existing is so fucked to us

[young peak]

didnt you get a faang offer?

[formal fable]

Yes, frontend kinda caps off in its value proposition/skill level sooner than backend. You can advance your skill/level much higher in backend (especially considering anything related to scale, like distributed systems).

[rain patio]

thanks.

[dusty basin]

They can apply to ‘23 jobs with his original date as well afaik since they would still be ng when they apply

[rain patio]

Other than relevant experience and DB, anything I should learn if I prefer to start in backend?

[dusty basin]

Try learning how to work on dn

[young peak]

Bro my man is new stop being a degen

[rain patio]

what is dn?

[dusty basin]

[young peak]

Oh sweet summer child

[rain patio]

haha

[dusty basin]

Deez Nuts

[young peak]

lumen should be banned for abusing children

[formal fable]

It's nice to have an idea about modern backend frameworks. For instance, for me, since I'm a Python Dev, I learned backend via frameworks such as django/flask. Then, an awareness about modern distributed systems is always a nice to have. However, if we're being practical, your primary skill always needs to be DS and Algo, as that is the crux of all backend interviews, normally. Once you're hired, you'll learn everything else on the job.

[dusty basin]

Gotta teach em early b

[rain patio]

can you recommend something for modern distributed systems?

[formal fable]

Google it mah man. I'm doing the same right now for my upcoming interviews :D. I'd say vids by Gaurav Sen and Tech Dummies do a great job at easing you in on that skill.

But, I'd suggest you don't focus on system design, unless you're over 2-3 years of experience. They won't bother you with those unless you're targeting mid-senior level roles.

[shut crescent]

this might be a stupid question but where do u find specifically jobs for 2023 grads? lol

Or do u guys just apply for like entry level jobs

[rain patio]

I've watched Gaurav Sen. I thought that was system design and separate from distributed systems

[formal fable]

All job openings that say new grad (or equivalent) apply to 2023 grads after July 2022 for sure

[shut crescent]

ah i see

it should say stuff like "graduating in spring 2023"

[formal fable]

System design today is mostly building scalable web applications, which effectively means distributed systems as you try to scale your app. Of course there are advanced university courses on distributed systems theory and I suppose they're also freely available on the internet these days, but those are usually overkill for your typical mid-senior level interviews.

[fresh lagoon]

last year at this time it was confusing too, lots of postings that dont give graduation date or who its targeted at. in about a month it should be better, everything will be 2023. but id just apply to anything that says new grad, if they dont give a date thats on them

[formal fable]

No, they won't specifically say that. Just New grad or University grad

Just apply and confirm with the recruiter once they reach out.

[shut crescent]

should i be applying to internships at this point tho or full time jobs

my expected is march 2023

[formal fable]

You've missed out on the summer 2022 internship season. If your university allows for co-op internships, go for Fall 2022 or Spring 2023 internships. Simultaneously, start looking into full-time positions and ramp up your applications as you approach your graduation. You can do both internship and full-time applications.

[shut crescent]

ive actually got a summer internship rn but i was just wondering if i could still apply to both still

my expected is march 2023

i think im going to have a full time offer from this internship but i still want to negotiate and leverage salary lol

[formal fable]

Just apply right now then. Get an offer by the time internship ends

[blissful sonnet]

I noticed lots of DP questions on internships interviews, summer and fall 2022. Should I grind DP for new grad 2023 interviews?

shit gets tough every semester

[vital meteor]

The ceiling is getting higher, I've been checking out grindr and dp seems to be popular

[rain swan]

isn't grindr a dating app ?

[dusty basin]

Full time

[dusty basin]

Damn fr?

Good thing I’m good at dynamic programming

[vital meteor]

yea people really be asking so much these days smh

[ornate cliff]

gg uninstalling

[rain swan]

Teach me 🙇‍♂️

[dusty basin]

U want me to teach u dp?

[vital meteor]

we can teach him together

[rain swan]

Yes, sir

I have some idea about dp but not that good tho

[dusty basin]

@vital meteor why you shit posting bro

[hard spade]

Why does this channel already exist

Oh wait nvm I thought this was like 2023_grads_process lol

[dense blaze]

Gm mfs

[lilac locust]

Baku street racing

[dense blaze]

It’s Montreal GP time b

[lilac locust]

baku

[slate bobcat]

Baku street Racing

More Like baka street racing

[lilac locust]

touch grass

[dense blaze]

Us

[slate bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/baka-gif-19268094

[simple spear]

If I'm graduating dec '23, when should I apply for new grad positions?

[woven sable]

One year later

[gleaming fable]

summer of '23

new grad positions are mostly by academic year, with a few outliers

[simple spear]

meaning most new grad positions do not start until the following summer?

[gleaming fable]

yep since most people graduate in spring semesters

So if you're graduating in the '22-'23 academic year, most positions start in the summer of '23

but big tech companies tend to have earlier cohorts that start in jan-feb

to accomodate winter grads

[simple spear]

i see yeah that's when i'd like to start ideally

jan-feb

[gleaming fable]

I know meta has new grad start dates around then, google probably does too

[simple spear]

Gotcha

[gleaming fable]

np, although its not a hard rule there are some companies that do post semester specific new grad positions

from what I've seen that tends to be unicorns

[simple spear]

I'll be spam applying regardless

[gleaming fable]

as you should recruiters will place you in the appropriate pipelines regardless

[lilac locust]

How do I learn the art of war negotiation

[simple spear]

I will appropriately be auto rejected regardless 🙂

[rain patio]

Better than being ghosted

[nimble wren]

if i'm graduating dec '23 and already have an internship this summer, would recruiters for new grad positions look at me negatively if i didn't get another internship during summer '23 and instead took classes and traveled?

[gleaming fable]

nah not necessarily, remember that people apply and get these jobs without any internships at all like yours truly

[nimble wren]

like how much of a difference does it make having 1 internship vs 2 when i graduate

[nimble wren]

true

[gleaming fable]

the biggest diff is having at least 1, after that its diminishing returns

up to you if you'd rather have a somewhat higher response rate + money or free time

if I were in your shoes personally I'd travel but I'm lazy af

[nimble wren]

yea same

[dusty basin]

No

[nimble wren]

i just don't want that "what's this gap in your resume" type shit

[dusty basin]

For an internship?

No one’s gonna ask

[nimble wren]

id be looking for new grad jobs next summer

for the following year

2024

[dusty basin]

Oh

[deft vine]

is there any master list of 2023 new grad opportunities? specifically starting from summer 2023?

[dusty basin]

No one will ask

[dusty basin]

Get a gun

No one says no to a gun

[lilac locust]

no Mikey

[dusty basin]

Disclaimer: this is a joke

[winged jay]

what does google ask in interviews nowadays ? i got reached out by a recruiter might schedule an interview

[dusty basin]

Questions

[ornate cliff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T53EyLPj4UM

[young peak]

I didn't get reached out by a recruiter and had to follow the normal path but in my entire process, I encountered a big range of questions. My OAs were LC hards but the ones that you'd typically end up doing anyway like Word Search II etc. My interviews were mostly LC meds revolving around trees, graphs, DP and OOP

If you're asking about structure it's currently 4, 45min technical interviews where they ask you one question. There's also a behavioral round that measures your "Googliness". Beyond that there's the HC pass, PA match etc but those aren't part of the process where you have power over.

Historically it opens early September

[vital meteor]

Its 3 technical rounds now

[young peak]

WHAT

[vital meteor]

3x45 1x30 googliness

[young peak]

where'd you hear that?

[vital meteor]

My onsite tomorrow

This is 2022 just scheduled late

[young peak]

^ Yeah Google has a lot of applicants backed up

[young peak]

Damn did they explain why its 3 interviews instead of the usual 4?

[vital meteor]

Nope it seems to be just recently introduced

[young peak]

Huh I didn't get notified internally about that at all I guess its cuz I haven't started yet

[prime palm]

are 2023 apps open? or just quants

also is it bad to just rely on a return offer ☠️

should i actually apply for new grad

ugh

[young peak]

Enjoy your internship till July

[prime palm]

@cedar nebula you made a repo didn't you?

[young peak]

You a Meta intern?

[prime palm]

i only see one in pinned

[prime palm]

yes for summer 2022

[errant karma]

You still need to nego your return offer though

[prime palm]

i just wanted to grind for a return offer, seems like my team likes me so far

[young peak]

nice yeah just enjoy your internship and start grinding like everyone else starting late July/early August

[prime palm]

yeah i really didn't want to get into it again ugh, i havent done lc in 7 months now + i don't want to do sys des

new grad interviews have sys des generally right

[young peak]

No sys des for most interviews

[prime palm]

or is that just for a select few companies

ah ic

i know bloomberg robinhood have sys des

isnt there a sys des round for google and fb new grad??

[young peak]

For bloomberg, it heavily depends on the final EM round. Most people just get behaviorals

[prime palm]

ic

[young peak]

I didn't get any so idk

[errant karma]

☝️

[young peak]

Meta doesn't negotiate new grad offers

[errant karma]

GS too

[prime palm]

wdym get any

[young peak]

I got 225k NYC and got capped at that. Apparently return offers make more

[prime palm]

you already had google / fb new grad interviews?

for 2023?

[young peak]

Yeah I'm 2022

[prime palm]

oh

you're just lurking in this channel

[young peak]

Helping* lmao

but yeah

[prime palm]

mbmb 🤣 yeah helping

[prime palm]

who did you receive ng offers from just curious

and who are you accepting?

[young peak]

I figured that I got 8 offers last cycle, so i can just help people here

[prime palm]

• did you prep for systems design like, at all, or you just didn't accept any interviews that make you did a sys des round

[errant karma]

Goat

[young peak]

Yeah sure I got offers from: Google, Meta, Uber, Citadel, DraftKings, TikTok, Bloomberg and a Series A startup

[young peak]

I did the system designs primer but it was useless since I didn't encounter any system design. I was actually selected for an L5 interview cycle at Twitch and got sys design there, but I got rocked so hard during the interviews that it didn't matter lmao

[prime palm]

Citadel didn't have sys des???

[errant karma]

How many Internships did you do @young peak

[prime palm]

yaaaaa, prior exp, top 5 cs school?

anything that made you stand out?

[young peak]

I'm actually in the minority of people that had a pretty mid resume. Two shitty internships, T50 school, some TA experience and some freelance experience

My GPA ain't crazy either it sat at a 3.5

[prime palm]

i'm not evening including my gpa lol

mine is dog water

[sonic coral]

"some freelance experience" is a bit of an understatement lol

[young peak]

Yo I'm trying to be humble in front of the 2023 kids lmao

[prime palm]

i did 4 prior internships but im canadian (so i need visa sponsorship 😔) and go to like arguably the shittiest no name canadian school lol

[young peak]

That's cool I'm also international. The TN process is actually pretty easy iirc

[prime palm]

oh icic

who did you end up accepting?

[young peak]

Google

[prime palm]

what was googles comp v fb?

i am hoping to go to fb new grad but

[young peak]

Google 265k Seattle, Meta 225k NYC

[prime palm]

oh shit

oh shit!! im in seattle rn

quite nice. lots of rain lol

[young peak]

Yessir the land of the rain

One was for a startup in my home country, the other was for a mid-tier company in the boonies

but I did it remotely thanks to covid lmao

[prime palm]

how long do you think you'd stay at google for before jumping?

[young peak]

No clue so far. I'm too tired to think about doing all this again so I might stick around until my H1B gets settled

[prime palm]

understandable

what was your leetcode preparations

generally i do blind 75, grokking, then lc prem for specific companies when i have interviews

did you do much beyond that

[errant karma]

Did you apply directly or reached out to recruiters (LinkedIn. Cold emailing)

[slim mortar]

i did both

[young peak]

I did most of the Blind 75, but most of my prep was just done via LC company specific questions. I did around 60-70ish LC questions? I got really overwhelmed with OAs at some point so that became practice

[slim mortar]

apple cold emailing works like a charm

[young peak]

I did both but my cold email response rate was 0 lmao

[prime palm]

ahh ic. ok thanks for the help

[young peak]

Here's my slanky but it says 7 since this is pre Uber

[prime palm]

yeah i'm planning on applying to a bunch of companies just for oa's for pracc

o what was uber's NG offer?

[errant karma]

Any tips for cold emailing like finding emails and structuring your email

[prime palm]

did you nego any?

also i'm surprised but why not citadel? aren't they like 300-350 for ng

[errant karma]

That’s good news😂

[slim mortar]

use some chrome plugins

trade emails with people in this server

[young peak]

I got 350k and I could've negoed until 400k I think but from just research, talking to devs there and overall vibes I got

I decided that WLB would be pretty meh there

[prime palm]

icic

[young peak]

Naw I used referrals in my junior year and didn't have any success so I just didn't bother

[slim mortar]

same

[sonic coral]

dude also makes music and has a spotify

[errant karma]

Can you attribute your success to applying at the right time?

[young peak]

One was an L6 at Meta and that didn't work

[young peak]

I guess? I applied as early as possible just like everyone here

Everyone from last year was pretty successful imo

[young peak]

This dude for example is also going to Google lmao

[errant karma]

Nice we are at the right track friends

[slim mortar]

tbh bruh its a blackbox

[sonic coral]

yeah but i'm nowhere near as cracked as you my man lol

[slim mortar]

no way to understand it completely

somthing things work

[young peak]

it really is just RNGesus that blessed me fr

[slim mortar]

sometimes they dont

[sonic coral]

agreed

new grad such a shitshow

[slim mortar]

yupppppppppppp

i think for senior levels

and more specific roles

referral makes sense

[sonic coral]

even just 1-2 yoe i heard is easier

[slim mortar]

yes i meant like anything not new grad

if u can get it great

if not dont stress

[dire yarrow]

But then you get entry level after 1-2 years

[sonic coral]

entry level with boosted tc

because 1+ yoe leverage