2023_grads

[exotic jasper]

If you truly are in desperate need of experience, take the position. The second you get it, put it on your LinkedIn and resume and just start sending more applications because an extra experience makes your application better. No pay is temporary, experience is forever. Decide what your priority is right now. Keep in mind that right now, you have no job and no experience. This position gets you one at least. Just my $0.02, could be wrong tho 🤷🏻‍♂️

[rain patio]

Make sure u aren’t getting scammed

[celest whale]

Imagine bro gets the job today and the ppl say “sorry bro. Happy april fools”

[pine topaz]

Its very refershing to see that the job market is recovering fast, Im getting many recruiter DMs right now and a lot of callbacks recently
We are saved

[quick sequoia]

[tulip robin]

WAGMI

[exotic jasper]

took me way too long to realise its april fools

[charred dawn]

Real?

Oh

[tulip robin]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-o'hearn-real-brainfog-gif-7666610795160025826

[gleaming trellis]

Are you going for data science?

[shy wharf]

Where do you find active job openings for sde other than LinkedIn ?

[celest whale]

The biggest skill issue of them all

Trusting someone on April 1

[primal crag]

ur moms time complexity is n^2

[graceful steeple]

Anyone with Cisco onsite interview ????

[gray terrace]

It does look pretty sketchy

have you contacted any other AI interns who are taking part of this opportunity

[fossil jewel]

https://boards.greenhouse.io/notion/jobs/5938340003

[lost ether]

TC: ?

[fossil jewel]

20 good boy affirmations/hour

[blazing flame]

Modern day dog ownership and dog culture and its consequences

[exotic jasper]

how would yall answer the following 2 questions:

1. What is the most valuable new idea you have learned in the last 12 months?
2. Tell us about a time you bent or broke "the rules" to create value.

[eager root]

It is hard in these marketing streets

[slender axle]

1. Depends on company, but probably something aligned with their industry. I’d they’re a bank say you’ve been reading some finance stuff.
2. Very dumb to ask a new grad, almost pointless as interns have negative value to their companies. They want you to lie the correct amount. Personally that’s a red flag for me imo

[celest whale]

2. I stole from a bank (broke the rules) to get $1 million (created value for myself)

[ornate cliff]

1. doesn't have to be crazy, tell them about something you learned in your most recent job experience or project
2. it's not that serious, maybe something about rescoping a project/cutting features to meet deadlines and deliver results

[celest whale]

Mine is better

[ornate cliff]

pls invest in my startup

[celest whale]

Let me think about it

[ornate cliff]

kk

[celest whale]

I will get back to u in 5-100 business days

[ornate cliff]

my runway is 4.99999 days

gg

[celest whale]

[steep cove]

Got a recruiter DM is this a sign

[gleaming trellis]

I’ve seen those many times. I’ve even got recruiter emails to me about opening roles, but most of them are beyond my experience

[celest whale]

Imagine if recruiter DMs on discord

[river python]

Is there any TikTok, SRE/AML role technical interview question example? just got a 3 round interview

[slender axle]

No it’s spam

Sorry

[celest whale]

Ur a spam

elektrospam

[slender axle]

If I ate a whole can of spam I would be approximately 0.2% spam

So it would take 2.5 cans of spam for me to have a statistically significant amount of spam in my body

Achievable, but currently I am not spam

[vocal fox]

any one know type of lc questions asked in veeva Associate SWE

[slender axle]

Easy to light medium stuff like tree & list in java

[neat fractal]

If you're an international student who has secured a new-grad software development engineer role with less than 3 years of experience, kindly share your insights on this thread.

[dense swan]

following.. it seems most got ft offer through internship

[cobalt bane]

lmk if you find anything on this

[forest scarab]

anyone got admitted to omscs?

[loud adder]

any 2022 grad still looking for their first job?

[gleaming trellis]

What have you been doing since you graduated?

[slender axle]

sorry to tell u this

(don't worry I messed up by not applying for FAANG thinking I wasn't good enough in the same years)

we all in the same boat

[loud adder]

lol I actually have been working as a dev since I graduated. Just asking cuz my friend has been unemployed since he graduated in May 2022

so Im curious to see who's on the same boat with him

[slender axle]

2 years is masters degree time imo

in this market

[untold flint]

I dont even know if a masters is useful anymore

[slender axle]

the reason you would get masters is it gives you 2 more shots at applying for internships

1 before you start the program

1 in between

[untold flint]

I finished my masters lol

[slender axle]

then new grad after

do an applied AI masters

make the big bucks

[untold flint]

And how do i payoff the last one and the new one

[slender axle]

make up a story about how you did a failed startup in the time in between

[slender axle]

good old american debt

[untold flint]

My problem is different lol i do have a job i just hate it

[slender axle]

facts

i feel u

[untold flint]

Thanks i feel like ive been shouting at a void everytime i say that lol

Felt validated

[slender axle]

no worries

glad it worked for you

I tried shouting in the void in #full_timers and got roasted for no reason lol

[untold flint]

Sadness

[loud adder]

yeah my homie will be in mega debt if he goes for a master lol

[slender axle]

have you ever considered putting all your living expenses on credit cards, putting all the money you would have put towards living on your non-bankruptable student loans, then declaring bankruptcy on the credit cards?

[fringe prawn]

honestly probably a skill issue if you graduated in 2022 and haven't found anything

[loud adder]

Right. I think for him definitely some skill issues combined with big communication issue. I referred him to both my first and current job and failed both interviews

[untold flint]

I thought of faking my death and moving to a corn field in nebraska

[foggy sundial]

😔 ✊

[slender axle]

that's a fate worse than death

[untold flint]

But silence

[slender axle]

not nebraska 😵

[untold flint]

And no thoughts of TC

Only corn

Total corn

LOL

[slender axle]

I have thought of it sometimes. Like, nothing is gonna happen if you don't pay your student loans. Debtors prison isn't real. You can still walk out in the sun, listen to the birds

what are we really working for

[untold flint]

I dont even have loans in this country

[slender axle]

only thing that's changing is an integer in the banks computer system

[untold flint]

I think it’s a float

[slender axle]

nah the problem is that floats will get off in some cases, over many transactions you can gain or lose pennies

[fringe prawn]

depends if it's technical or behavioral but 2022 was like nearly 2 years ago. surely by that point you can get through an interview that just asks a leetcode easy or medium

[slender axle]

4 digits for hundredths of cents

and long long int for dollars

at least for wall street

berkshire almost hit the limit at some point

[untold flint]

Meanwhile my money barely hits integer

[quartz wolf]

So burnt out of working that I dont even wanna apply to more jobs but the more I wait the more expired I get 🤯

[untold flint]

I am super burnt out at my job so i definitely feel it but i kind of have to get a new one

And applying feels so pointless

[quartz wolf]

Kinda like my situation except Id be taking a huge paycut… toronto jobs are in the shitter rn

[ornate cliff]

Here's the reality of the situation: you will maybe get one or two chances, and when they come you wanna be ready.

[untold flint]

Im literally ok with a paycut too atp

[untold flint]

Oh yea definitely i had a couple of recruiter calls which also went nowhere

[ornate cliff]

LC everyday and be ready fam

[untold flint]

I’m able to do once every 2-3 days cuz work just kills my ability to code more lol but yea

[quartz wolf]

The problem is getting the interview 😂

[vocal fox]

@pliant hamlet hey any tips for Veeva final technical?

[alpine comet]

Hi everyone I want a little help in the order how i should place topics in my resume for SWE
Order:

1. Internships
2. Projects
3. Skills and Coursework
4. Education
5. Achievements
6. Position of Responcibilities
7. Extra Curricular Activites
   Do you have any suggestion rearranging the topics. Any advice is welcome.

[ornate cliff]

School skills work projects

Post in #1019675142248468601 and get roasted that's the best way stop wasting time

[wet pebble]

Same. I realized I don’t like coding…like at all so now I’m trying to see what other areas I can move into but issue is everything / everyone wants years of experience. I was lowkey thinking to move into sales but idk

[untold flint]

I dont hate coding, i like development but im also open to pivoting to project management or sales but like you said everyone wants experience and how will i get that experience if nobody gives it to me 😭

[wet pebble]

Yea we’re in the same boat 😞

If you don’t mind me asking how long have you been at your current job? I’m about to technically hit my 1 year mark @untold flint

[untold flint]

Will hit one year next month

So almost same as you?

[wet pebble]

Yea just about, I got 2 more months. Started as part-time during my final undergrad semester and went full time September

[untold flint]

Wanna exchange jobs lol

[wet pebble]

Bet I’m down

[untold flint]

In all seriousness tho if you wanna trade referrals id appreciate that

[wet pebble]

Yea for sure!

[gleaming trellis]

I think May 2022 is still ok, but Dec 2022 is more screwed

[gleaming trellis]

You went through undergrad and you realized you don’t like coding at all?

[gleaming trellis]

The difference in number of offers between the two years is staggering

[wet pebble]

Pretttyyy much

I was originally majoring in EE, realized hardware and low level coding isn’t really all that fun. Heard a ton about CS (and the crazy salaries), so I switched into computer engineering instead. Coding was fun initially and I did some cool projects but it’s definitely different in an actual job if that makes sense? Idk lol. It’s just super stressful everyday to me

[untold flint]

I relate lol

Like it was fun until my rent was dependent on it

[loud adder]

Interesting. How so

[forest scarab]

recruiter said i moved to final and asked for my availability for this week but hasnt confirmed the day. updated me 2 days ago saying she just needs to confirm with HM. u think i got ghosted? also is there a possibility they would sched for tmr 😵‍💫

[gleaming trellis]

What is the title of position?

[golden agate]

How much would you contribute to working on someone's app just for experience a week and do you think it's worth it? A guy reached out to me asking if I wanted to contribute to his app that's in developmental stages. It's working on the front end, though I'm looking for backend positions but at this point I'm open to anything. No money. He's a software engineer. Could be a good opportunity to collaborate? I've got like 5 hours a week to help. Still trying to get a job

[ornate cliff]

better than nothing, maybe sneak yourself into some backend work as well

[autumn iris]

Sounds scuffed

[ornate cliff]

but if you're busy then nah

[mellow glade]

Are we cooked

[elfin flint]

yesn't

[mellow glade]

Will a masters save me? (Yes)

[elfin flint]

yes

[fringe prawn]

i'd only do a masters if you really want to specialize

if your goal is to spend a year or two just taking courses with the same content as undergrad, it's a waste of time

computer vision, machine learning, etc. is good for masters specialties

maybe data science

[elfin flint]

I want to do master cause I want to burn some money which I don't have

[untold flint]

Did my nightly 20 applications

Every day this just makes me sadder

[elfin flint]

[elfin flint]

how do you find that many to apply ?

[untold flint]

Blind, handshake, linkedin, dice, online searching

Literally random company name + careers

Also zip recruiter but thats kinda ass

[elfin flint]

I never heard back from handshake

[untold flint]

Bro i never hear back from anywhere

[elfin flint]

me too

[untold flint]

Its a numbers game idk i just keep applying

[pliant hamlet]

[celest whale]

[brave forge]

@celest whale every morning

[celest whale]

I don’t have student loans tho

[humble narwhal]

handshake sucks

[sterile turtle]

anyone know what citadel securities is paying devs these days?

[untold flint]

Nothing cuz looking at those OAs idk id they even hire anyone

[sterile turtle]

lol

[fair zephyr]

does qualtrics sponsor do we know?

[indigo storm]

I feel like half the jobs on linkedin or indeed are automated postings written by bots to collect resume data to sell or smth

[honest pumice]

I’m looking for Resumeworded premium account anyone who has already secured a job and not using it anymore, I would like to buy the account from them

[ornate cliff]

Post on #1019675142248468601 instead it's free and real

[placid comet]

Anyone interviewed for the DoorDash Data Engineer New Grad role?

[severe pendant]

recruiters from handshakes asked me to be a teacher 😂 ... or something completely unrelated to CS

[elfin flint]

I get that every day

[humble narwhal]

math teacher? i got the same message i guess

[molten knot]

They reached out to me for Chiropractor job 💀

[violet topaz]

what is going rate for junior swe

150?

[celest whale]

Yes

$150

[lucid widget]

Yes minimum 150k at tier 2 - tier 3

180 - 190 tier 1

[crystal hollow]

per day yeah

[patent ivy]

Hey folks, I'm a BTech CS grad from the class of 2023, but I hit a bit of a snag—I ended up with 7 backlogs. I've already retaken the exams and am now waiting for the results. As you can imagine, finding a job or internship in this situation feels more like trying to win the lottery without buying a ticket. Any advice on how I can improve my chances of landing a job or internship would be greatly appreciated!

[untold flint]

HUH

I AM GROSSLY UNDERPAID?

[tulip robin]

Base or tc?

[celest whale]

Thanks for the tip bro

[pliant hamlet]

yw

[humble narwhal]

how many did u apply and did they companies tell you that's the issue?

[signal turret]

if i applied for a job at a small company and got rejected in november after an interview, can i still apply for it now if that same position is still open? or is it too soon?

[gleaming trellis]

Wdym 7 backlogs?

[untold flint]

Has to repeat 7 courses

[crystal hollow]

cooked

[obsidian crater]

cooked

[celest whale]

cooked

[sweet urchin]

Anyone interview at Jane Street?

[rain patio]

Lets collab

[exotic jasper]

Anyone done the Ontario power generation hackerrank?

[alpine fjord]

Finally got an offer, Dec 2023 grad. Can rest for a while now 😮‍💨

[sweet urchin]

What u mean lol

[maiden parcel]

very nice!

i hope me too some day

[waxen quail]

Congrats! Where at?

[dense swan]

dang congrats. when is ur start date?

[neat fractal]

Anyone received snowflake OA for data scientist new grad?

[lost ether]

Does it say complete test by april 1st but invite expires april 22?

[maiden parcel]

does anyone have any ideas on what project i can make that would be useful while trying to get a job?

i read that whats the point of making a project if you cant really publish it to the web and have real statistics?

[golden agate]

yes

[alpine fjord]

22nd April

[vestal violet]

does anyone know what to expect in snowflake assessment for data scientist intern position?

[rain patio]

Let’s get into Jane street

[molten knot]

not intern, its a FT role.

[bold tulip]

does anyone know if theres usually a meta app that opens up for fall grad? or is it summer only

[exotic jasper]

got my first OA since I started applying in november

it went horribly 🙂

[quartz wolf]

Link?

[fringe prawn]

you havent even gotten auto OAs?

[exotic jasper]

Nope

[exotic jasper]

I can try finding the questions on hackerrank I guess

But the problem was more they only wanted me to do it in Java or c or cpp or python. And I haven’t worked in any of those languages for a WHILE now 🤷🏻‍♂️ live and learn I guess

[hushed drum]

Hi guys any one into java backend development using spring/spring boot ?

[exotic jasper]

1. CountTriplets, 2. Given preorder traversal of binary tree, validate whether it is a binary search tree, 3. Find max of minima (similar to this one: https://www.hackerrank.com/challenges/min-max-riddle/problem)

[edgy sentinel]

bro that max of minima is brutal 💀

[vapid oasis]

Damn besides brute force I got no clue into solving that

Oof

Fr max of minima

[edgy sentinel]

Thank god it wasn’t just me

[vapid oasis]

Yeah I think we can use a mono stack

But it’s prob a hard one

What company was this for

If I may ask

[exotic jasper]

literally man, I was able to think of brute force, but other than that, I thought it was similar to 3sum on lc

but i didnt have enough time to be able to get it and on top of that do it in java specifically.

[exotic jasper]

this one honestly, wasn't that hard, my problem was working with collections in java is absolute ass

but tbf i lack practice so probably my fault. screw me i guess

[lucid widget]

Yes bro, use that at worn

Work

It’s trash

[grim ore]

what’s wrong with spring boot

[glass apex]

spring boot

[steep cove]

[fossil jewel]

skill issue

[grim ore]

skill issue for using it or hating it

[west egret]

You have to use Java

[celest whale]

Just skill issue

[chilly burrow]

This poll will be biased towards "still in search for a job"

Most users leave the server once they get a job

Or at least become much less active

If you want a better statistic, you should take a look at #2023_gra\

[charred dawn]

I think 2024 grad will be better

many are still active

[chilly burrow]

i think mostly the active ones are also looking for employment

or have just recently found employment

but idk

[celest whale]

Dw guys

When I will do my PhD I will do a large scale survey

Then I will get back to u

[charred dawn]

or trolling, but I get you

[celest whale]

[quartz wolf]

I meant application link, i checked their website and just applied to whatever there was tho

[brave forge]

Fr me

[chilly burrow]

Congrats!

[brave forge]

Thanks 🙏. The only issue with my employment is I still need to pass security clearance so I can’t stop searching in case that fails

Technically they just resubmit for you if you don’t pass though, not kick you out

[chilly burrow]

Smart

Hope all goes well

[celest whale]

Just don’t let them find ur discord history

Otherwise u won’t get clearance

[celest nymph]

I finally got my second interview since graduating in March '23 💀 Would it help at all if I mentioned that I work full time in food service so they understand that I'm not a leetcode god or haven't been able to dedicated countless hours to programming outside of work or is it over for me?

[fringe prawn]

eh

[brave forge]

Bruh

This isn’t a charity

[austere gulch]

they wouldnt care u pass or u fail

[west egret]

It wouldn’t make a difference. At the end of the day, they’re testing for some level of competency in coding and communication skills.

[rain patio]

how would a city slicker like me get a clearance job in us gov

[gleaming trellis]

What is your background and experience? How many applications have you submitted?

[polar grail]

If ur second citizenship is not enemy of U.S

Gov

[brave forge]

You really don’t want to. The wait times are around 6-9 months

There’s nothing against u not being native born , I know naturalized citizens that get TS clearance

[rain patio]

Oh alright

do I need to Java maxx or something

i get auto reject from every govt position

[polar grail]

Join the u.s military show ur loyalty to the state

[rain patio]

like i have yet to pass a govt screen

[brave forge]

Interesting

Why do u care then

If u have meta

Commit to what

If you are a citizen you are a citizen I spent half my life growing up out of country they don’t care

[rain patio]

Okay I will spam some more appd

Do they recruit locally or smth? I am trying to find a reason why lol

I can post my resume

[polar grail]

Depend if state governments or federal governments agencies

[celest whale]

Where did u grow up?

Somalia?

[brave forge]

I didn’t grow up bruh I just appeared in my 20s

[celest whale]

That tracks

[narrow harbor]

https://siepr.stanford.edu/publications/policy-brief/recession-graduates-long-lasting-effects-unlucky-draw

[brave forge]

man just accept your skill issue don't blame it on economy

[narrow harbor]

i just thought it'd be interesting to share that's all

[celest whale]

Bro

Why r u so negative

They just wanted to share a nice article

And u go all doom central on their ass

Hmm

That’s true

Ur right

@brave forge my bad bro

[steep cove]

My fault

[vital meteor]

Why don't you just post here, you know that it looks sus when you have to dm

[chilly burrow]

if you dont say it here im going to think you're scamming

please say it now before i ban you

cheers

[dusky cairn]

hah? this kind of words allowed on this server?

[chilly burrow]

i am a mod, so yes

cheers

you have 5min @dusky cairn

[dusky cairn]

lol

do it now

i don't want to stay here if it's allowed

[chilly burrow]

🫡

[dusky cairn]

😆

[vital meteor]

[gleaming trellis]

Where u been? How’s job searching?

[grim ore]

i think we should make @fallen fox a mod

[fallen fox]

i agree

[vapid oasis]

Uh bruh I just got rejected after a final interview. I can’t do this any longer!!! My last interview was back in December.

I need some hopium

[gloomy terrace]

Got faang adjacent 3 offers in 2024

There is hope

[slender axle]

what's your resume like?

[grim ore]

you don’t wanna know

[slender axle]

bad? well then how did you get faang adjacent companies?

[grim ore]

no he’s cracked out the wazoo

[slender axle]

ahhhh

well then obviously

he would get many offers

[gloomy terrace]

I’m not that good

Was at no name startup

[edgy sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler-hynes-hynies-falling-for-you-so-humble-gif-26650926

[mellow glade]

What he say lol

[fringe prawn]

what company ?

[cedar agate]

For anyone who interviewed for a NG role, how much different/difficult were NG interviews vs. intern interviews?

[chilly burrow]

I'd say much longer interview procesess / longer rounds

Companies that do 1~2 rounds for intern can do 3~9 rounds for new grad

[cedar agate]

Does this mean more leeway if you perform bad on an interview in that case?

[chilly burrow]

Yes

[cedar agate]

is there an argument to say NG interviews are easier?

[chilly burrow]

I wouldn't say the difficulty is easier, but they're easier to pass. Since you have more room for error.

However, I'd say getting a new grad interview is more difficult.

[cedar agate]

I see, I assume referrals are very useful then

[fringe prawn]

new grad is definitely harder than intern IMO

just based on how many companies have posted intern roles and doing conversion instead of opening a broad NG role

[cedar agate]

Gotcha

[ornate cliff]

Do the ng OA for Ramp then do the 2YOE one. Ng you have 90mins and you probably won't finish. 2YOE you'll finish in 15 mins.

[quartz wolf]

No way ramp oa is that bad

[maiden parcel]

I’ll do anything for code related jobs lol

[rain patio]

Ok I think it’s time to give up on getting a tech job 💀 what’s something that’s easy to get but would we the least horrible on my resume while I keep tryna switch into tech

[warped cradle]

IT?

[brave forge]

McDonald’s

[elfin flint]

Same

[gusty jetty]

Does anyone interviewed with ASM america recently?

[crystal hollow]

bike shop mechanic

[tacit mortar]

are you guys getting OAs? cuz i sure ain't at all

[fierce eagle]

Fml I've been in the process with a company since October, and final step Gmail decides to randomly mark their reply as dangerous and move it to spam so I didn't see something time sensitive and they moved on with another candidate wtf

[jagged saffron]

gg

[rain patio]

holy shit dude

really hope you get something better, that sucks sm

[fierce eagle]

Thanks man 🙏🏻

Fuck it's so easy to just spiral into depression when you've put in so much time and effort and have nothing to show for it 😔

[rain patio]

i get it fs

[gleaming trellis]

yea one time I’ve decided not to check my email anymore cuz I don’t think I am gonna get any interviews but luckily I checked one time and they sent me an interview invite a week ago but I was left with only 3 days to prepare

[gleaming trellis]

Was that an offer waiting for you to accept in the spam folder?

[gleaming trellis]

What is your background and experience?

[fierce eagle]

Nah basically for MongoDB you need to allowlist IP address access, so I asked them to send me their IP address in the instructions for my take home assignment, and that email was them sending their address

[zealous sandal]

im about to do truck driving

[celest whale]

[rain patio]

has anyone graduated in December? What were the prospects like for you compared to others that graduated in May?

[maiden parcel]

i did

i mean not much has changed

some have entry

most are looking for more experience

[steep cove]

[gleaming trellis]

When did you graduate?

[fringe prawn]

i think may/june 2023 graduates had it a little easier at least for NG

i knew people getting offers without RO, as well as people with no internships

[rain patio]

not yet

[gleaming trellis]

I thought they had the worst time?

[grave canopy]

Yeah worst

[charred dawn]

Good if you Job hunt before December bad if you graduate without job hunting

[ionic swan]

me fr

[fringe prawn]

it's just in personal experience, the amount of people i knew who found something without RO after graduation (basically lined up) is much higher than for 2024 grads

and i know people who were able to find stuff without internships

[charred dawn]

I feel like only looking at 2024 January and forward

It's rough

[fringe prawn]

i also do feel like many of the companies that canceled or rescinded new grad for 2023 grads didn't even open them for 2024

[rain patio]

Not even IT bro, Im givin up on tech 💀 im legit getting rejected from even basic html/css coding jobs

[gleaming trellis]

What is ur background and experience?

[rain patio]

BS in CS, mobile app dev internship, data science internship, ML undergrad research, technical writing experience in a NASA program, a short term role (3 months) as a jr dev

[fringe prawn]

can i see resume?

[edgy sentinel]

Intl? I swear you will be swimming in offers this cycle don't worry

[rain patio]

No, from Cali. Wdym this cycle, isnt this year's cycle over 😭

[fringe prawn]

hmm T50+ uni?

could be a location issue depending on where you are applying

[edgy sentinel]

starts in july/august again

[gleaming trellis]

Since you got these experiences, why you say quit tech?

[brave forge]

If you are a us citizen defense jobs are a good path and hiring rn

[uneven niche]

Are u not getting offers or not getting offers that's >= 200k TC

[charred dawn]

I was not expecting you here 😆

[brave forge]

I’m not getting any offers > 200k 😭

[brave forge]

Truly a tragedy of our times

[rain swan]

skill issue

[rain patio]

Because I can’t get a job in tech

[rain patio]

Not even getting interviews let alone offers

[edgy sentinel]

Just wait to u will get, trust

[rain patio]

Class of 24 is about to graduate, my degree is about to become worthless

[edgy sentinel]

Nah people from 2023 applied for 2024

[rain patio]

If I can’t get a job now, I got no chance once the new grads get dumped into the market

[edgy sentinel]

So you can apply for 2025 ng

That’s just not true

[rain patio]

Applying for the 25 cycle as a 23 grad is not a good position to be in at all 💀 I won’t be considered a new grad anymore

[edgy sentinel]

don’t you have 2 or 3 internships?

[rain patio]

Yeah I do

[edgy sentinel]

Maybe it’s something with your resume? I doubt it and how many jobs did you apply to this cycle

[rain patio]

Everyone who looks at my resume says it looks great

So idk what the issue is

[rain patio]

Hundreds

Probably like 240 manual apps and more easy apply apps on top

[charred dawn]

citizen?

[rain patio]

Yeah

[edgy sentinel]

Easy apps never work and I hate to say there is something missing did yiu apply only in state

[fringe prawn]

depends on the company

i've seen some take 2022 grads for NG

generally they get filtered out though

[molten knot]

Whats your tech stack?

[gleaming trellis]

Not even a return offer? How long have you been searching?

[rain patio]

Since i graduated last june

[fringe prawn]

could i see resume

[rain patio]

for sure

[fringe prawn]

just DM it to me i guess

[rain patio]

Yeah pretty much

[worthy summit]

Has anyone here interviewed for the Data Analyst University role at Microsoft?

[cloud zinc]

Does this seem like an appropriate openner for a linkedin user who is going to make a tech startup in the summer?

"Hello, my name is name I've heard from connection that you are planning to establish a tech startup in location. I want to express my interest and availability to join your startup team this upcoming summer.
For my background, I am currently attending Rochester Institute of Technology under the Masters of Software Engineering program. I have internship experience in frontend and backend development with Node.js, React.js, sql and python. Lastly, I have curricular Object Oriented Programming experience with Java.
I would like to learn more about this startup opportunity. If my experience seems to be a good fit, lets connect on Linkedin"

I've never done this before, and I don't want to fuck anything up. This experience is trash, but I'm hoping this appropriately expresses my interest in joining this person's startup.

[peak lagoon]

don't speak so formally if it's a startup-- my personal experience is that startups prefer personality

and say something particular about this person's startup

why r u mentioning the location?

[mellow glade]

https://x.com/andromeda74356/status/1778850195951784297?s=46&t=DQLKn48fL9HE2eYCo8yTIg

MachDiamonds (@andromeda74356) on X

Waterloo
6 internships
10k applications
1 offer

truly cooked market

Twitter · Apr 12, 2024, 6:18 PM

[maiden parcel]

any advice on what projects or certifications to do so that you can stand out more?

[rain patio]

wtf

10k apps?

[brave forge]

It’s intl I think

[maiden parcel]

after thinking about it

i feel like a bachelor's degree is enough to get any entry level job

sure internships would boost you a lot

but you can still make it

[brave forge]

What were you thinking about lol

[maiden parcel]

my mom told me i should go into cybersecurity

because she said my degree is useless

and im like that cant be

[brave forge]

What’s your degree

[maiden parcel]

bruh

computer science

im assuming every single one of us here is computer science

[brave forge]

Ya she wrong cyber security is easily entry able from CS and cyber sec is not a useful degree for no experience people

I work in cyber sec as a CS major

[maiden parcel]

oh really?

thats cool

yeah i heard that

you cant just go into cybersecurity

[brave forge]

It’s kinda easy to get into

[maiden parcel]

even if you go to a bootcamp or get a comptia security

[brave forge]

Tbh I got asked like one question about one class I took in uni called software security

You could do a minor in it and be fine

[celest whale]

Bro go back to the hellhole u came from

#2024_grads

^

[maiden parcel]

is cybersecurity really in demand rn?

[brave forge]

Maybe I got an offer last week

[charred dawn]

depends

entry is easy for some places though to be effective I think you will need a decent amount of skill to have some impact

if you want to do cyber I will recommend going to some contest, either red vs blue, ctf or things related

there are a decent amount of beginner welcoming contest that are pretty good

[fringe prawn]

security isnt that easy because you are up against people with a lot of certs

[charred dawn]

not only certs, you will need to always stay up to date on infos and depending on which area you do it takes a lot of time to understand the inner working of things

but I do know people getting oscp in high school

[wraith yew]

tf does this mean

[mellow glade]

HARD disagree

[mellow glade]

lol thats what im doing

[mellow glade]

when looking for entry cyber jobs what kind of titles should i be looking for? Like for CS I would look for software developer, software engineer, etc.

[charred dawn]

usually entry will work, I will just look at the expirences required selection

I will check dods for entries first since there are usually entry year round

[mellow glade]

My friends recommended CompTIA security+ CE and CompTIA Network+. He also said ICS2 certified in cyber is really easy to get (only a week) and helps a lot

[charred dawn]

yup these certs are easy

[maiden parcel]

but

costly

[charred dawn]

recuirter also know them as well

[charred dawn]

yup, paying for certs when you don't have a job is risky

if you don't have any fin support

[mellow glade]

ICS2 certified in cyber is free

[maiden parcel]

oh really?

ok ill check it out

[tawdry nacelle]

Isn’t it security engineer?

I feel like it is from postings I’ve seen while applying for swe roles

But I could be wrong

[edgy sentinel]

if i am not wrong i think u low key need em for cybersecurity

unless you major in it

[celest whale]

Nah

[edgy sentinel]

nah

[celest whale]

Nah bro

That’s all?

That’s ez

[edgy sentinel]

yeah thats easy no?

[celest whale]

I thought it would be more

[edgy sentinel]

^

[celest whale]

Nah bro

[edgy sentinel]

nah

[celest whale]

nah

[charred dawn]

^ basiclly that

[celest whale]

Nah

[charred dawn]

I spent a lot of time running my own blog

[edgy sentinel]

whats cve real talk

[edgy sentinel]

link

[celest whale]

Was it weeb blog?

[charred dawn]

Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures

no tf

[edgy sentinel]

ahhh

[celest whale]

Link to blog or cap

[charred dawn]

then pretend I'm capping

[celest whale]

Next time send some my way

[charred dawn]

I got no fanng interview

no one hiriing

[edgy sentinel]

did you have internships or not really?

you have a job

did you do cybersecurity or?

[charred dawn]

when did you graduate?

I got no faang reach out

[celest whale]

The age of the jobs

[charred dawn]

unless you cout cfaang

[celest whale]

This is the age of darkness

[edgy sentinel]

yeah u said you had a brand name did you mean school?

LOOOOOL

🐐

ahh kk

[gleaming trellis]

Did you make the cut? Do you have 0 internships and working at faang?

[charred dawn]

hopefully I will get dm by them one day

https://tenor.com/view/anime-typing-on-computer-smiling-online-gif-11961164

[edgy sentinel]

wait so you would for zuk 💀

reverse uno ahh

well i mean with ur stats i am sure you could reapply

[celest whale]

Manifesting Google 2021 intern reach out

[charred dawn]

recuiter will find my new email address

by using google search

[edgy sentinel]

damn ur stacked i think my career is ganna be in the shitter 💀

[celest whale]

NGMI

[ornate cliff]

spill the tea we wanna be like you

[mellow glade]

yo been a while, hows the job search coming along?

[blazing flame]

the process of job search will result in anyone looking like ur profile picture

[brave forge]

Lmao u got emm

[brave forge]

No joke the job search destroyed my mind when I finally got the offer I felt more relieved but also veryy empty then I have in the last 3 years

I printed that paper out and was like all this for this one paper

[blazing flame]

same

[gleaming trellis]

What is your coping mechanism? I feel like it’s a roller coaster

[blazing flame]

for me it was shit posting on discord

[celest whale]

Only drugs for me

[uncut marten]

can't find sex

not drugs too

[fallen fox]

no interviews for two months

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-26881270

[uncut marten]

[steep cove]

[uncut marten]

Hey is there any internal opening role at your YT channel?

for job

in need of it

@steep cove

[steep cove]

Bros taking a chance💀

[steep cove]

unpaid intern role

[uncut marten]

[grim ore]

yield protect, conduent engineers demand too high TC

[gleaming trellis]

Isn’t that normal these days?

[fallen fox]

yep

[sleek leaf]

I'll be applying for 2025 NG I was wondering if those who already went through the process could share their experience. Aside from the traditional OA and the phone call DSA interviews and Behavioral's. What else will I be need to prepare for? Is it common for them to ask System Design questions

[fringe prawn]

system design is more common for new grad although there's usually some leniency with this just because of how complicated it can be
main thing is that new grad usually has more rounds than intern and at least for the time being is kind of a war zone unless you have a ton of internships (or prev interned there, etc). RO is still the best way to go

[ornate cliff]

What's common is you won't get as many OAs as previous years, let alone interviews because of how bad the market is. So make sure your leetcode is solid so you'll be ready when the opportunity. A few companies ask system design now but it's still rare.

[glass apex]

do it

u don't even know if u'll get another job

[edgy sentinel]

@thick arch I am doing that now and thank god I did cu I don’t know if I would have got something else

What’s about having something is you are guranteed to be working and you can still look. Having something is better for you than having nothing

[fallen fox]

Thank you for the interest you have expressed in the Associate Software Engineer opportunity with iCIMS. We're writing to let you know that we've recently closed this position due to the needs of the business changing.

We acknowledge this is disappointing news but we are consistently posting new and exciting roles and hope to see you apply to anything that may align with your experience and goals!

[gleaming trellis]

They’ve posted more senior, staff, senior staff, and manager roles instead

[fair zephyr]

where did you get a job? I need to get anything at all asap

[trim onyx]

why not just volunteer to stop the clock

[fair zephyr]

my opt is running out

need stem ext

[trim onyx]

ahh

[fringe prawn]

from what i've seen some internationals can extend the OPT by working full time as a research assistant at their university

pay sucks but you can generally reset the clock that way

[zenith salmon]

Which office you asking about?

Austin is 110k base + 5k joining

Nope unfortunately

Which office you interviewing for?

Yeah, ask them which location you’re being considered for

Which university are you from

[edgy sentinel]

I thought I had an offer

[fair zephyr]

I have one but its looking like it might fall through cuz of intl

yea just bad luck after bad luck for me unfortunately

[grim ore]

did you check no to needing sponsorship and got fkd?

[halcyon prairie]

maybe im missing out on obvious ones so asking, best sites to find new grad swe roles? currently use pitt csc github, untapped, handshake, glassdoor, simplifyJobs, and linkedIn.. missing any good ones?

[ornate cliff]

That's pretty much it. Grind cold email and message to recruiters/manager/engineers as well. That's how I got my interviews after over a year of searching.

[fallen fox]

where job

[celest whale]

In dn

[gleaming trellis]

You got a SWE job offer yet?

[ornate cliff]

I just finished some interviews. Hoping for the best. 🙏🏼

[gleaming trellis]

How many job applications you submitted and how many interviews you got so far?

[ornate cliff]

past 15 months maybe like 300 apps and 4 interviews only

Im in Canada thats why its so bad

[gleaming trellis]

Are you applying for US or Canada jobs?

[ornate cliff]

both

[elfin flint]

I'm so over

[celest whale]

How r u over bro?

[gleaming trellis]

Do you need H1B visa to work in the US? You got H1B already?

[quartz wolf]

May 2023 grad?

From which uni in canada

[chilly burrow]

If Canadian, no

[gleaming trellis]

Why if Canadian, no?

[celest whale]

Diplomatic relations

[chilly burrow]

If Canadian, you can get a TN visa

[celest whale]

Oh

I legit thought it was something coz of diplomatic relations lol

[ornate cliff]

Calgary

[ionic swan]

im intl in canada, mega fucked

[gleaming trellis]

15 months and only 300 apps?

[celest whale]

300 apps is less?

Damn market must really be fucked

[gilded forum]

Debating a move to chicago for good walkablity and low COL. But, I have remote job and I feel like job opportunities in Seattle would be better?

[ornate cliff]

Yes only to new grad positions

[fringe prawn]

honestly most of my apps haven't been to new grad roles

[stone stratus]

has anyone had their recruiter schedule a call just to say you're at the hiring committee stage? i thought it was an offer call :(

[vital meteor]

Yea google does this

[ornate cliff]

I didn't bother there's no point in doing those

[ornate cliff]

Yeah I've gotten this, it's good news no?

[steep cove]

[stone stratus]

possibly, not as good as a solid offer tho 😂

[vital meteor]

when you see a new grad app with grad date requirement

[ornate cliff]

Next call will be offer 😈

[stone stratus]

also i've gotten many interviews from non-new grad positions, doesn't hurt to try

obviously not the roles with 5+ years exp tho

[ornate cliff]

At the end you'll get rejected tho there's no point there are so many people with 2+ yoe in the market from all the layoffs

[ornate cliff]

2023 grads are expired goods 😞😞😞

[stone stratus]

idk man you can get lucky, i only had one internship back when i started applying

[fringe prawn]

also having specialized knowledge (most people will just spam resume with unrelated skills)

[ornate cliff]

Yeah true

If it's a good match I would go for it tbh you're right

[fringe prawn]

think the highest YOE that i got interview for was 3-5 with masters (i only had bachelors)

[ornate cliff]

How well would you have to do in the interview for them to pick you over someone with 5yoe and masters

To me it's not realistic

But sometimes they have hidden openings and they might try to fit you in that does happen

[fringe prawn]

depends how much specialized knowledge the other guy has

[elfin flint]

life is over

[quartz wolf]

Dude you should not be having a hard time lmaooo

[ornate cliff]

why not?

[quartz wolf]

Cuz ucalgary is a good school I thought

[ornate cliff]

Not sure where you heard that. CS program there is low tier.

[celest whale]

Being a Canadian is a skill issue

I think we can all agree on that

[quartz wolf]

Rlly?

Maybe for eng

The ones I know in engineering at ucalgary arent doing bad

[ornate cliff]

where they working?

[quartz wolf]

Oil and gas

[ornate cliff]

I thought you meant software engineering lol

[fair zinc]

Has anyone interviewed for DoorDash NG SDE (Winter 2022 - 23) role? Not 2024 NG

[gleaming trellis]

Why you asking?

[sturdy night]

nah i think they have sys design?

[steep cove]

another day another rejection email

[grim ore]

why you applying when you can just be a full time influencer

the coding sloth FAANG in 6 weeks bootcamp

[steep cove]

the backup plan

[gloomy terrace]

@brave forge found a job

[pine topaz]

u cucked @brave forge

[gloomy terrace]

i'll send him the application link

[mellow glade]

whoever said that amazon has a super low bar was capping man. they reject me so fast

for intern/junior roles

[vital meteor]

Passing resume screen always has rng factor

[fringe prawn]

i don't think it's that hard to get the OA for intern

[mellow glade]

Nah these are all explicitly like junior level roles, some internships. Idk if it’s considered an auto rejection because the response is within 24-48 hours. Never interviewed with them before though

Idk what it means to get pipped

[covert kindle]

its hard to get interviews( due to rng and other factors) but easy to pass them

[fringe prawn]

i thought the "Jr." roles were part time for people still enrolled in school

[mellow glade]

That makes a lot more sense. I just need ONE (1) interview with them

[mellow glade]

I don’t think junior roles are ever part time

[covert kindle]

jr sde in amazon means full time in summer , part time during school

sde 1 is the entry role for fulltime

[mellow glade]

wow, I actually had no idea. Thats actually even better for me since i'll be starting my masters soon

[ornate cliff]

Junior level? like SDE1?

or are you talking about the "Jr. SDE" role?

Jr SDE is for people getting into 3rd year

[coarse token]

can june 2025 passouts do it ?

is it ok to change the graduation date on resume and tell them later ?

[mellow glade]

all junior

[ornate cliff]

Junior is for undergrads to do until they graduate so auto reject makes sense

[vital meteor]

amazon has a role specifically called jr sde thats part time for students: https://www.amazon.jobs/en/jobs/2530694/jr-software-development-engineer

[true parrot]

so uh offers. Anyone got any so far?

[halcyon prairie]

nope, only one interview next week (my first this season, ~250 apps). im a dec 2023

[scenic canopy]

Question for those who Graduated in December or in general. Are we still Elgible for applying to new grad positions?

[torpid cove]

whats the alternative

keep applying king/queen

[scenic canopy]

Work help desk

[brave forge]

What role bruh can’t find anything nowadays

[next dust]

WS

Was

[summer ether]

Yeah u could prob even apply next cycle to a lot

[past cave]

For those who recently got offers, how's the comp compared to last year?

[brave forge]

Peanuts

[ornate cliff]

Just apply

[gloomy terrace]

Changed company but in general it’s a little bit lower

[pine topaz]

congrats on cucking @brave forge

u r him

[mellow glade]

I'm gonna off myself and blame it on recruitment companies

[mellow glade]

why are there so many skull reacts to this 🤨

[molten knot]

"Junior SWE" roles are scam. Try to refine your search

[fringe prawn]

IMO just avoid stuff that says staffing and recruiting

i don't trust those companies

[lost ether]

Any tips for the LI query?

[fringe prawn]

although be aware that some companies outsource their HR operations to these firms anyway

i think i've discovered this twice

both after someone from the department reaches out to me and then it becomes obvious

[mellow glade]

what would you recommend?

[molten knot]

Just normal Software Engineer roles with entry and mid. Ofcourse you will get 5+ yrs roles

But you will get some good job roles. Also try creating daily job alerts in Indeed, it goves you atleast 60% of the jobs which satisfies your filters

Also try to follow (linkedin)as many recruiters as possible. They often like other recruiters posts and yoy can find some good job roles which are availabke on in their company careers page

I am seeing jobs that align with my skills and exp but.... I am Intl and I am fucked

[brave forge]

Rly send some over lol

I can’t find anything to apply to

[molten knot]

Do you have 2-3 YOE

[gloomy terrace]

cuck master

[fringe prawn]

i have a final round tomorrow so hopefully i can clutch it out

comp i doubt will be amazing and neither will the stability but i'll probably have enough flexibility to ride it out with my current non-SWE job

[gleaming trellis]

What non-SWE job you got? How many years of experience?

[dense swan]

How are u intl 23 grad with no job still? Or are yoi working some other job to stop the clock?

[fringe prawn]

sales and supply chain with a company that makes gaming machines (i have enough presence in gaming scene and we have some more technical products which my CS degree can help me with)

[molten knot]

Working under my professor. I had RA so continuing the same work till I get job

[tulip robin]

How much does RA pay?

[molten knot]

Peanuts. $2K for 22hrs a week

[dense swan]

Not bad as a means to stop the clock

[molten knot]

Yeah

[gleaming trellis]

2K for 22hrs/wk? That is $90/hr lol. Haven’t seen any RA that pays that much.

[brave forge]

Maybe he means per month not per week

[molten knot]

Yeah my bad. Its like Stipend

22hrs is the working hours a week

[grim ore]

why not apply for jobs in your home country at this point

[humble narwhal]

i saw some data science jobs on upwork like asking you to build model and writing 5 pages research papers... what's that?

[steep cove]

[tawdry nacelle]

How bad does it look if I schedule an appointment with a recruiter and accidentally cancel and then reschedule immediately

[fallen fox]

I hope this email finds you safe and well!

I’m reaching out to provide an update on your application for the role of Application Developer. It is with regret that I have to inform you that IBM is no longer actively hiring for this position. I understand this will be disappointing news, especially during these uncertain times. I would like to reassure you that this is not a reflection on the quality of your application.

[edgy sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/classic-back-to-the-future-bttf-marty-mcfly-ive-seen-this-one-gif-19802188

[gleaming trellis]

Common reasons of rejecting candidates these days

[blazing flame]

Immediately?

Hmm

Are you telling them you accidentally cancelled it?

Just lie

[tawdry nacelle]

Yea it was me accidentally fat thumbing the cancel button when closing out of safari

And yea it was immediate

[fierce eagle]

They probably don't care, just truthfully explain why if they even care enough to ask

[blazing flame]

Do you want the same time?

[fierce eagle]

We've all fat fingered before

[blazing flame]

If so explain honestly

[tawdry nacelle]

Yea

[blazing flame]

Yea then just do it

[tawdry nacelle]

I rescheduled for the same time right after

[blazing flame]

If you want to seem smart or whatever say you're switching email clients and wasn't used to the new UI

[lean carbon]

can anyone refer me to a company in the states that pays well? DM me

[fringe prawn]

should have an offer finally

good lord

[edgy sentinel]

@fringe prawn gz where from

[gleaming trellis]

You? What position?

[fringe prawn]

SWE at an internet SaaS startup

people here are cracked

i'm probably going to try to keep it on top of my current position because the outsourcing risk is high

but i should be able to do it

[forest scarab]

did u get verbal offer?

[gleaming trellis]

@forest scarab how is your job search?

[forest scarab]

not good wbu

[fierce eagle]

Can anyone refer me to any company in the states or Canada with livable wage 🙃

[obsidian crater]

I can refer you to a job @ Indian sweatshop for $3500 tc

[obsidian crater]

are you a canadian citizen

can't you work IT for ottawa or something

[fierce eagle]

Yes

[fierce eagle]

Oh like you mean government?

[obsidian crater]

yes

[fierce eagle]

They said my bioinformatics degree doesn't qualify for IT roles, even though I've taken 12 coding courses and had 2 internships 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

[obsidian crater]

F in chat

[quartz wolf]

Where did u apply

Or did you reach out

[fierce eagle]

CRA, told me I didn't qualify after I did the OA, after months of being in the process 💀

So yeah would appreciate anything, anywhere 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[quartz wolf]

Damn 😭😭😭

Are you in Ottawa?

[brave forge]

No

[fierce eagle]

Nah Calgary/Vancouver, but open to relocating

[bold tulip]

does meta ng accept >1 years out of school but <2 yoe

[quartz wolf]

Yea

[maiden parcel]

is production support a good place to get your foot on the door?

[quartz wolf]

Depends where

[maiden parcel]

how so

[fringe prawn]

i've realized how screwed up the market is

interviewer says their daughter was a CS major and quit SWE 😂

[pine topaz]

why would they tell u that 💀

[gleaming trellis]

Looking for son-in-law

[golden agate]

Tell him she may have quit SWE but her SWEETIE will never quit on her. Now did I get the job or what??

[grim ore]

@fallen fox

[maiden parcel]

Any tips on not feeling sad

[brave forge]

Nope none here

Embrace the sad

[shut mountain]

anyone here got a job?

[brave forge]

Nope nobody 😭

[fallen fox]

[golden agate]

do you all put university at top of resume? I went to a middle tier school

[fringe prawn]

i do, i'll probably stuff it at the bottom once i get a couple of years full time

[edgy sentinel]

anyone do deliotte interviews for buisness technology?

[elfin flint]

Wazzzup

[untold flint]

If you have work experience after university then I’ll put work experience over education else education goes on top

[rigid lintel]

thoughts on doing a master's? i've been looking for a year+ with nothing

[brave forge]

Prob focus on ML if you take it

[fallen fox]

average 2024 swe job posting

[glass apex]

[grim ore]

have you given up on internal transfer to swe

[fallen fox]

yes

all internal swe roles are in bangalore

[oblique harbor]

Bangalore is a nice place though. It's the tech hub of India.

[molten knot]

Heavy traffic and water crisis

[oblique harbor]

The same can be said about any mid/major city in America.

[gleaming trellis]

No way 12 yoe did you pick a staff SWE position?

[fallen fox]

No just SWE. Their pay is 💩 for 12 yoe in CA lol esp with those insane requirements

[grim ore]

if ur from india, easy way to get job

[obsidian crater]

homie US traffic is heaven compared to Indian traffic

[obsidian crater]

oci or bust

[oblique harbor]

Yea but in India, lots of people travel by train. There are local trains and even trains that go to different cities. I can't think of a single city in India without a train station. Metros are also becoming popular. If you live in NYC, you have the subway, but in other cities, traffic is inevitable here in the US

also, Indians have autorickshaws which makes road travel 100x better no matter how bad traffic is

[obsidian crater]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AytQEpwQUo

@oblique harbor I would rather sit in my car than this tbh

[pine topaz]

lmao

[obsidian crater]

hi yahk

[fallen fox]

got ghosted by two recruiters after asking for availability

🪢

[glass apex]

if u use mail tracker at least u'll know if they read it

[molten knot]

You find one video and think whole country is like this .

[obsidian crater]

most of India is a shithole

source: am literally Indian

like 90% of Indian swe work shit pay jobs at witch

[tulip robin]

Gotta love the 5lpa frontend Angular dev roles

[fallen fox]

just installed it lol

[glass egret]

Me and yes SD was in the final.

I finished DoorDash final. Dm if you are waiting for result. I am too Dont spam me.

[gleaming trellis]

Did you get the job?

[glass egret]

No…

[tawdry nacelle]

what does witch stand for?

[glass egret]

“Waiting for result”

[vernal jungle]

Any international who graduated in May'23 still looking for a job? I can't be the only one

[gleaming trellis]

Depends on what kind of job

[vernal jungle]

software engineer

i graduated with a masters in CS from ASU

[fallen fox]

dec 2022

[gleaming trellis]

What chu been up to?

[glass egret]

I can help you to do interviews and job hunt👀👀👀 if you 💰 me.

[glass egret]

DW I know a few… some are back to their sweet home already. You are standing strong if you are still inside the U.S. 🫂

[gleaming trellis]

Can you stay in the US by marrying a US citizen?

[glass egret]

Yes…

Google is your friend:)

[grim ore]

he has a job he just likes larping as unemployed

[obsidian crater]

wipro infosys tcs capegimini hcl

5 shithole outsourcing corpos

they mass hire people for like $3500/yr

in India andmake you work like a slave

[glass egret]

3500 a year is mad

[obsidian crater]

the crazy thing is they used to pay that much in the early 2000s

they haven't changed entry level salary in 20 years

[tawdry nacelle]

Oh I heard some of those names but the acronym was wimp

and to my knowledge they're still shit here

Revature keeps trying to reach out to me for a position, and I'm like "pass"

[obsidian crater]

they are trash

don't work there unless you are desperate

[tawdry nacelle]

well I'm almost a year out since graduating and no swe job so maybe

not that desperate tho

hopefully this interview in like 10 min will fix that

[glass egret]

lol gl

[oblique harbor]

Getting in the train is chaotic but once you're in it's smooth sailing. With a car, it's easy to get in but morning traffic is painful. Take your pick

[brave forge]

Where are u interviewing

[ionic swan]

me but im in canada

[obsidian crater]

intl is auto loss

[tawdry nacelle]

not trying to jinx it, so you'll find out if I get an offer

[brave forge]

What roles

[void prawn]

Those who started their Full time role as new grads and made the jump to a new company after a few months. Did the new company ask you the reasons of leaving your new company??

[fallen fox]

they will always ask you why you're looking for a new opportunity....even after you've worked at your company for years

nvm lol i misunderstood your question lmao

[halcyon prairie]

curious about this too. Specifically 'new grads who made the jump to a new company after a few months.'

[void prawn]

you planning to do this too?

[halcyon prairie]

@void prawn no not necessarily, I'm just curious about how those ventures have gone for those who decide to do so. Im a dec 23 grad still applying/interviewing right now actually

[void prawn]

oh gotcha

[fierce eagle]

This is an awkward question to answer so I know a lot of people just leave their most recent role off their resume if they're still job searching, and that way you don't have to answer this question

I have an interview coming up on Ruby on Rails,, except I've never used it before. Anyone have good recommendations for learning resources?

[glass egret]

Make up any reason

I never put my most recent if it’s under a year.

Other than intern.

[grim ore]

the hardest part is finding a new job with only a few months experience

the rest is moot

[mellow glade]

For unemployed may ‘23 grads who aren’t going for a masters: why?

[thick sundial]

sorry for cross-posting but figured I'd mention it here too, for any fall 2023 grads who haven't had luck finding a job lol. I work for UCF as an Applications Programmer I and we're hiring. Before you say anything, yes, the pay is not great. But it's also quite lax (nearly no deadlines at AP1) and the people here are great to work with. Here's the link!
https://ucf.wd1.myworkdayjobs.com/careers/job/Orlando-FL-Main-Campus/Applications-Programmer-I_R107942-1

[mellow glade]

Hasn’t there been a bunch of stuff going around about UCF not paying their employees that well? 💀 but ngl I’ll give it a shot

[thick sundial]

Also it may seem like they're asking for 4 years experience on TOP of bachelor's, but I got in with just my CS bachelor and showing my webdev senior design project, so. As long as you have webdev experience, you're on good standing to get to final interviews

[mellow glade]

I used to work for UCF as a techranger actually

[thick sundial]

dude what!! that's awesome!

[thick sundial]

and yeah lol we don't get paid all that much compared to corporate or FAANG in general, but it's far more relaxing and you get dental/medical/vision benefits so it's a decent trade-off.

[mellow glade]

True. Back when I was a techrangers I was getting paid like 13 an hour 💀 but at least I got some work experience for my resume

[thick sundial]

for those uninformed, the Techrangers are our parttimer team! Our team is set up of fulltimers and also parttime UCF students. Feel free to check out our site: https://techrangers.cdl.ucf.edu/

[fringe prawn]

i wouldn't relocate to florida for a position that could be canceled on a minutes notice

[thick sundial]

yeahhh we've been trying to get them paid more since. We've bumped it to 15 now, which isn't fantastic either but it def does help get you through the door when you graduate. Some of the TRs leaving our team when they graduate already have Google and Microsoft offers

[thick sundial]

Fair enough. I mostly send it for those that already live here since we unfortunately don't cover relocation. I will say the job security here is crazy good. We've only fired people that were purposely being horrible at their job or not showing up at all ever

[mellow glade]

I actually asked Jacob Bates (pretty sure he still works there and you might know him) write me a rec letter recently. Great team to work with for sure

[thick sundial]

He actually left our team in March 🥲 he was essentially an AP4. He ended up with a lot of managerial duties, and he wanted to get back to doing more dev work (understandably) so he migrated to working as a Lead Director of Dev tools for a company for which we helped build an app for (UDOIT)

But agreed, the team is great and there's a lot of opportunities to collab and make solid changes to apps that both faculty and students will see live at UCF. You end up doing less dev work the more you move up, but if you want dev experience for a couple years or so, it's not a bad spot to start

sorry for clogging the channel y'all. if you have any questions about the position, you can email [e-mail] and one of us fulltimers can answer any questions you have

[tawdry nacelle]

Bc I’m stubborn and ran out of tuition aid so idk wanna pay for grad school tuition

[void prawn]

im trying to see if its worth interviewing after i start my new grad role in september

or wait another year to try to jump

what i fear is they (new companies) asking why you wanna leave after 1-3 months of being at the company. At the time of applying maybe I shouldnt write my current new grad position in the resume at the time??

[steep cove]

[grim ore]

basically nobody is hiring new grads with 1-3 months of experience

it’s effectively worse than not having a job because it looks really bad to leave that soon

you should either stick at your job for 1 year (better, 2+ years) and then leave, or leave your company off your resume

[void prawn]

makes sense, I think I'll just leetcode and practise system design and recruit from 2026

[forest scarab]

how do u kno if u've been rejected after final? recruiter hasn't replied to my follow up

[raw pulsar]

if not response:
return

[mellow glade]

🫡 stand strong soldier i have a lot of respect for you for resisting the defense industry

[fringe prawn]

eh

thing with defense is that quite a few of those jobs actually want you to have a current clearance

and not even that

TS/SCI

i really don't think it's as easy as people say

[tawdry nacelle]

Thanks interview today went well and hopefully this will lead to an offer

[tawdry nacelle]

It’s not that, the university basically has a pipeline into defense

[mellow glade]

^^

[tawdry nacelle]

So people at our uni have a really easy time getting into Lockheed, L3Harris, etc.

[mellow glade]

bruh my dad really wanted me to apply to lockheed and l3harris but i guess I was just being rebellious but I refused to apply to them and now here I am. I sold man smh

[forest scarab]

uh finished final last week and saw on linkedin they created a new post yday for the role i applied. does this mean i got rejected lol

[fringe prawn]

in the cases i've had this happen to me i've been rejected

[forest scarab]

why cant they just reject right away 😭

[bleak raven]

im employed and doing a masters in fear of layoffs 😭

[brave forge]

Praise defense, only reason I’m not still unemployed

[tawdry nacelle]

Nah I'm with @mellow glade on this, defense is a no go and thats for moral reasons

[mellow glade]

My sense of morality is no longer stronger than my desperation for a tech job 🫠

I just can’t land a defense job anymore hahahahahahahaha

[brave forge]

Bro my sense of morality went out the window when I have to work wage jobs for 16/Hr

I’ll gladly take blood money for 45/Hr

[gloomy terrace]

Do you even make 45/hour rn

[crystal hollow]

defense is for boomers and boomer mindset nerds

[fallen fox]

recruiter asked for my availability on wednesday and they still haven't gotten back to me 2 days later

is it over?

looks like its over

[true parrot]

For what company?

[fallen fox]

random f500 in NJ

[boreal cloak]

Prudential :)))))))))))))

[maiden parcel]

a floridian

im a gator

[olive magnet]

Are December 23 grads at a disadvantage/risk of being gapped compared to May 24 grads rn, or is it still considered the same from a hiring pov?

[fallen fox]

dec 23 - may 24 all count as 2024 grads

[earnest summit]

Depends on the company

But if you are eligible then there is no diff

[gloomy terrace]

Ur fucked it’s over

[gleaming trellis]

Your conferred year of graduation is your grad year

[rain patio]

How do I know if she likes me? She hasn't responded since the first date