2023_grads

[eager crag]

got same thing they just capping for a reject

[charred dawn]

lol that is kind of bad on them

whatever I got other stuff on the table anyways

[pliant hamlet]

they couldve sent the wrong rejection msg lol

[gloomy rain]

same thing happened to me. i figured they just playing games with me and tbh we just gotta keep moving forward.

[charred dawn]

I'm assuming so, just awful behavior imo. Gotta move on to the next one

[fervent drift]

Hello chat

Y’all should get some sleep

[brave forge]

i have to leetcode for another 12 hours

[golden agate]

The hallmark of my application journey. I sent them my transcript and they ghosted me. I can tell my family I almost got a job at Google.

[fervent drift]

Do it tomo rest up

[brave forge]

do u think veeva accepts people who rest

[fervent drift]

You gettin the offer 100%

[fervent drift]

No, I got rejected

Well ghosted actually

After a face to face talk

[brave forge]

yo what 💀

i had my face to face today

i didnt get oa yet

[fervent drift]

Career fair?

[brave forge]

no

[fervent drift]

Oh

This was at a career fair

Exchanged PERSONAL numbers with the recruiter

Still got ghosted

[brave forge]

well i did my best today hope they contact me soon 😭

[golden agate]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-cook-i-did-my-best-upset-disappointed-failure-gif-4958698

[cosmic latch]

Hope they do 🤞

[fallen fox]

@rain patio 🧤

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[simple osprey]

what was your question?

[vapid oasis]

How much time did the person give you to solve

[slender axle]

int to roman, 1 hour

but had to explain every single thing i did before allowed to code it

and the guy didn't really understand the solution I was writing, which slowed things down a lot

[brave forge]

wtf

[slender axle]

i mean clearly he was trying to guide me towards the typical solution. but it was pretty insulting to be "guided" towards a worse solution, while the interviewer acts like you're an idiot

[vapid oasis]

Yeah that sucks

Also I’m Ngl the o(1) solution is the first thing I thought of….what is the O(n) solution

Yeah so the recruiter just doesn’t know then?

Gotcha

[slender axle]

the maximum roman numeral in existance is 3999

There are no more roman numerals beyond that. I took the chance to explain how an O(n) solution could be written, but because of the limited range of representable charactears, an O(1) solution is optimal.

This is literally the conversation this question is designed to have

To show deeper knowledge about how certain problems may not benefit from a infinitely scalable solution.

And a LUT is optimal. A great example is trig on old video game consoles

The fact the interviewer didn't know this, wasn't familiar with the O(1) soluition, and couldn't converse about it on a deeper level doesn't give me confidence in the company

The solution the geico interviewer wanted me to write, he insisted it was O(n)

Whole thing just confirmed why F500 has no engineering prestiege

Yeah I mentioned it up front, and made it clear what I was doing. I asked what the max number was, he said 4000, I said yep roman numerals don't go above 3999. So therefore we can write a constant time solution. He said "hmm I don't think so but ok". Then I did it and he couldn't comprehend how it was constant time

so it's just kind of a joke

you can get an interviewer who doesn't know the concepts they are supposed to be testing you on

also: funny joke. 5 YOE for an associate

[cedar cairn]

If you wrote integer to roman in O(n) what are u even doing

[misty hawk]

wait did u get the offer or haven't heard back yet?

[slender axle]

didn't hear back yet

[misty hawk]

u prolly got the offer tbh

[slender axle]

just moaning about how dumb this interview process is

Also geico pays less then my current company so it doesn't matter

[misty hawk]

why bro interviewing😭

[slender axle]

I was hoping to practice interviews for FAANG

but it's just not a faang level interview

[past hound]

I mean, GEICO is 109k TC in LCOL and remote, so...

Pretty solid for remote

Most NGs make less while not being remote and in higher cost of living

People here just have a distorted sense of what the typical NG offer is. They think 200k TC is normal for NG when that is less than 1% of offers.

[past hound]

The algorithm is still O(n), it was just bounded to some integer, so it is O(1). If you bounded a exponetial algorithm by some n like n <= 1000, it is O(1).

Generalized algorithm vs bound specific algortihm

So, you are both correct in a way.

[past hound]

Optimal preformance isn't a key goal of software engineering anymore.

Only very specific fields within swe is that a goal these days

[edgy sentinel]

Wait what is the o(1) solution 💀

[slender axle]

the fact is that there are only 4 digits that can be one of 10 permutations. So you just get the correct string for each of those 4 digits and concatenate them.

[edgy sentinel]

Yeah geico fumbled you don’t trip 💀

[slender axle]

not yet i just had the interview

[edgy sentinel]

^

[cedar cairn]

I mean sure but for this problem the cleanest and most logical approach is to just handle the 4 place values

Anything else is excessively convoluted

[forest scarab]

any jobs 😭

[brave forge]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[grizzled bronze]

veeva in kansas is hiring

[brave forge]

false info, shoo away

[golden agate]

they are, I have interview there. Wait did you say Veeva, I thought you said Jamba

[grizzled bronze]

no, McLean is the new california

[grim ore]

no, Bentonville is the new california

[crystal hollow]

filled with rich white assholes?

[slender axle]

gives you the opportunity to try for grad-only internships, and another shot at new grad roles. But tbh you will see more of a pay increase from 2 years of SWE experience over 2 years of CS masters

tbh most companies don't give any pay increase for masters because their roles for masters candidates are actually a sneaky way to hire h1b

since many indian students do BS in india, then MS in USA

its an easy way to say "look there are no qualified US candidates with a masters degree, we need h1b"

personally I would do masters only if you can't find a role after 1-2 years of job searching

well they get screwed as much as anyone. the companies use the fact they need to be employed to keep h1b, knowing they can't quit

so they work em harder

yes

yes I am

same for everyone

thanks

internships are a multiplier on your success rate. But 3x chance on 0 jobs availible is still 0

not your fault. Its terrible political issues. The amortization of SWE taxes over 5 years was a bill that was supposed to be a barganing chip and they accidentally passed it, dumb politicians

and at the same time interest rates went up crazy

It's literally like 2008 for software engineers right now

nobody in other industries understands it

but its bad

Yeah no worries. This whole thing has made me realize how much our lives are controlled by these dumb numbers in banks and government

which opportunity do you have rn

those outcomes are historical. probably based on the past few years. so it was realistic then.

[tulip robin]

Those average pay metrics are collected by surveying alumni

Ppl without jobs just don't fill out the surveys

[slender axle]

yeah no that's a lot. def not worth it. Georgia tech MSCS will cost you 10k and be just as respected

alot of people at apple do MSCS while working there using the tuition assistance

online is what I'm referring to, don't know about in person

no way

google says 3 years

GA tech site says 3 years

and it's assuming you are a full time working person

[tulip robin]

3 years is if you do it part time

Most ppl doing OMSCS are part timers, so they have a ft job on the side

But you can get internships I'm pretty sure

I've seen people on LI with internships from OMSCS

Its meant for internationals and ppl without a cs background looking to pivot

[slender axle]

It's a private university in NYC lol

gonna be expensive

[tulip robin]

Idt it adds any value to your resume if you have a bachelors in cs

Not quant afaik

[slender axle]

Eh i don't see why not. Not quant, they want you to be perfect from birth so unless you had prestiege undergrad it wont count. But roblox for sure

but also roblox will take georgia tech too

[tulip robin]

Don't reject yourself before you apply

[slender axle]

so... not really gaining anything for the extra money

[tulip robin]

Tbh if you're just doing it for an extra shot at internships

And dont need sponsorship

get OMSCS

[slender axle]

yeah that was my problem. I never applied to any FAANG because I doubted myself. Now in hindsight I realize many FAANG people are way less capable than me but just have confidence and shoot for the moon

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[lavish inlet]

Guys does tiktok even reply after OA ???????

[chilly burrow]

Iirc tiktok oa is automated

So only after passing do they consider your resume

So its possible to pass the oa and not hear back

[formal swan]

Has anyone given smartsheet interview? Please dm

[fallen fox]

@rain patio

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[grim ore]

are you employed or still job hunting?

[pliant hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[fossil jewel]

huh thats wild

way higher than i expected

[grim ore]

it costs like 8k and is mostly prerecorded videos

they want to make as much money as they can

[fossil jewel]

i mean

tbh thats not the worst tuition

[grim ore]

yeah that’s why a lot of ppl do it

[fossil jewel]

and isnt georgia tech a top school?

[grim ore]

it’s an online masters

so some ppl don’t like that

[fossil jewel]

fair enough ig

[grim ore]

most MS programs are like 70k cash cow anyways

[fossil jewel]

yeah

unless its a higher prestige place like mit and cmu

because those have some top notch research

[grim ore]

MIT doesn’t have masters for non MIT undergrads

CMU does but it also has a ton of cs-adjacent cash cow masters

only ones that are worth are the masters that give you an RA and you can waive tuition

[fossil jewel]

yeah so no value in actually doing a masters

phd or nothing

i mean why is that a bad thing?

do you wanna do a research based grad degree?

[tulip robin]

Nothing is free buddy

[fossil jewel]

yeah

job is good

tbh a basic mscs isnt gonna get you that much more money

[fallen fox]

found a job

i might finally be employed

[crimson delta]

congrats

[tulip robin]

Thanks! Just applied!

[fossil jewel]

yeah its weird since you did have multiple internships

so resume isnt the issue

unless you just dont know how to talk about that exp

[grim ore]

you have to be careful cause some cash cow also have terrible course offering and instruction, or low ranked

[gilded forum]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MSCS/comments/1awxtmj/a_warning_to_columbia_applicants_from_current/

I am banking on UIUC acceptance

If not I'll do GTech

[forest scarab]

any jobs ?!!

[rain patio]

That’s amazing man. Congrats!

cause meta offer is: 137k base, 18k sign on, 150k/4 years stock, 10% target bonus

17.5k reloc, 12k E3 refresher, 2k wellness benefit, up to 11.5k 401k match,

Free breakfast, lunch, dinner, snacks and ammenities in office, free transporation (ex metrocard)

no cliff of stock, larger refreshers with perf multiplier

[gilded forum]

I’ve debated applying to Columbia but im not 1000% sure yet, I think if I don’t hear back from UIUC in 2-3 weeks I’ll apply

Columbia for online has rolling admissions, Georgia techs deadline for online is March 15

[gilded forum]

No not yet, I’m hoping UIUC MCS in Chicago gets back to me soon but I’ll apply if I need to

[forest scarab]

do u need personal statement & letters of rec for UIUC?

[gilded forum]

Personal statement yes, letters of recommendation no but I think they help

Latest decision date is mid April but I’m hoping for sometime early-mid march

[forest scarab]

when was it due

[gilded forum]

2 weeks ago

I think GTech is your best bet if you haven’t applied to anything yet

[whole shadow]

That’s amazing man. Congrats!

cause meta offer is: 137k base, 18k sign on, 150k/4 years stock, 10% target bonus

17.5k reloc, 12k E3 refresher, 2k wellness benefit, up to 11.5k 401k match,

Free breakfast, lunch, dinner, snacks and ammenities in office, free transporation (ex metrocard)

no cliff of stock, larger refreshers with perf multiplier

[forest scarab]

anyone know if deloitte reached HC

[tulip robin]

Are you doing it part-time?

If you aren't working in chicago while doing it, its way better to do it oncampus

[gilded forum]

yeah part time, I got a full time remote offer and I wish i wouldve applied to regular on campus but oh well I think being in the city will be fun (hopefully)

Company where I got full time offer tho has hq in Chicago and free food and things so thats nice

[misty hawk]

Why part time ms if u got full time job already?

[gilded forum]

I find distributed systems really interesting and they have a good program for it LMFAOOO but not a huge reason

[wet kernel]

can attest distributed systems with indy is epic

[fallen fox]

@rain patio 🧤

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[pliant hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[fallen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[solemn spire]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[humble narwhal]

how much time do we 23ng have left?

[polar grail]

There still time

[humble narwhal]

You can do interns while pursuing omscs I knw a lot of ppl are doing that, but tbh most of them are working FT alongside this program It's a part time program takes 3 yrs to finish wasting too much time if you want to study for ft

[tulip robin]

Not Gonna Make It

[humble narwhal]

have u done the gre exam?

u live in ny, how about nyu ?

[tulip robin]

"settling for Columbia"

Search for the GIF

[grim ore]

columbia MSCS is 70% international students 💀

https://opir.columbia.edu/sites/default/files/content/Statistical Abstract/opir_enrollment_ethnicity.pdf

[humble narwhal]

is it the accelarated program? 5 years undergrad + master

[safe dawn]

yeah u would think

[grim ore]

@fallen fox

[glass apex]

@tame knoll not interested

[golden agate]

then, this is the end

https://tenor.com/view/madturnip-this-is-the-end-gif-19571372

[fallen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/suicide-jump-pink-pantern-gif-14045004

[humble narwhal]

we won't die there're tons of other jobs we can do

[pine topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-the-end-jonah-gif-21841553

u become dead n become a zombie

[humble narwhal]

There are other tech related jobs sdet, sqa, it engineer, it support. or maybe just work in another field. I know ppl who could get any CS job back in 2013 and then transitioned to the marketing/business field. his career is pretty good now

[pliant hamlet]

🪢

[dull wyvern]

Anyone received Amazon assessment recently?

[elfin flint]

[vivid wyvern]

whats the best way to ask manager whether I am getting RO or not without looking needy

[humble narwhal]

if sde doesn't make that much do you still want to work for this?

[pine topaz]

/r/cscareerquestions said that you should be homeless u r not pasisonate about it

[chilly burrow]

My mom wanted me to be a dr, so she told me swe doesnt make good money lol

But the only thing im decent at is coding so 🤷‍♂️

[molten knot]

https://seanprashad.com/leetcode-patterns/
Try practising these questions

[quiet copper]

Do u guys know anything about meta qualification screening interview? I feel like I’ve never heard of it before it’s usually just technical interviews

[ornate cliff]

is this the third interview?

[quiet copper]

No first after recruiter screen

[chilly burrow]

Autocorrect mb

[ornate cliff]

Strange I've never heard of that one. Assume it's just going over your background etc.

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[craggy wadi]

Hey, is there a chat somewhere for Bloomberg London New Grads that start working this year?

[dull wyvern]

Anyone has the Amazon assessment guide? That covers the 'Work Simulation' and 'Work style surveys'?

[chilly burrow]

Check #server-links

[polar grail]

Just say yes to over time

As effective strategy

U should be fine

I said no

And never got an interview

[dull wyvern]

damn, seriously?

[polar grail]

Only reason i can think of

And base off few other people response that didnt get interview who got perfect oa score

They also didnt put overtime as most effective strategies

When dealing with deadlines

[dull wyvern]

thanks for those tips!!

[mental nimbus]

When recruiters ask "are there any other interviews or offers you are anticipating in the meantime"

what should I say? What is there intention with the question?

[cloud zinc]

you lie (rot) in the bed that you've made yourself. That can either be living with your parents or getting a job in retail

[fluid idol]

Anyone having luck with applying to new

im a dec 22 new grad getting rejected

[oblique harbor]

This is a purely hypothetical question and has nothing to do with me right now.

But if a company gave you the option between working in Chicago and NYC, What would you pick? Assume you have no family or friends in either place and are from the west coast so would be relocating far away either way. Also assume that the projects/work in both places are equally interesting and the salary is also the same when considering cost of living. The only difference is location.

[gilded forum]

Chicago > NYC if car

Else NYC

[oblique harbor]

No car in either location for this hypothetical

[golden agate]

chicago. I hate NYC. Depends on the kind of environment you enjoy I'd say.

[shut crescent]

nyc

thats an easy choice come on

[split igloo]

nyc period. finding a sugar mommy running her own biz empire or dating trust fund baddies then marry, retire before 30, being full time house husband. was joke but I love the social scene here in the city. Parties, shows, entertainment

[tulip robin]

Depends. How good are you at handling winter?

Also, I disagree. NYC isn't that good lmao

Doesn't make it a "good world city" lol

Also its probably close with LA

[cedar cairn]

comes down to preference at some point

if your life/family is closer to NYC like if u live on the east coast you may have reasons to be there

I think I personally like chicago, but I probably wouldn't have chosen it before interning there and experiencing it bc I just didn't know

[olive magnet]

has anyone done panel interviews at Cloudflare?
What should I expect/prep for?

[oblique harbor]

Yes

Went to college in a snowy place

[tulip robin]

Then you can consider Chicago. Its a lot more laid back than NYC (I've only been to NYC for a week tho)

[oblique harbor]

It really comes down to the pizza for me - do I want to eat Chicago deep dish pizza or new York style pizza?

[tulip robin]

People in Chicago don't eat deep dish that much from what I've seen

Its more like a once a year meal

Unless you want to only live till 30

[oblique harbor]

Well I've never had deep dish pizza before. I'd like to try it once. And authentic ones, not the frozen ones you get at Walmart.

[golden agate]

I spent the night in a Chicago airport once

nearly killed me

[cedar cairn]

Huh

It's never that serious 😭

[quartz wolf]

Bro thought ohare was oblock

[snow drift]

Chicago would be my ideal job location id really like to stay east coast

[cedar cairn]

It's on neither 😭

It's in the Midwest

[harsh crow]

Has anyone interviewed for Apple Health team?

[fallen fox]

@rain patio 🪢

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[humble narwhal]

It really depends. I personally really like living in NYC. I used to live in NYC back in 2017 it was nice, and I had a lot of good memories. But I don't know what it's like now in NYC.

[fossil jewel]

not too good

things kinda got worse after covid

[forest scarab]

any 23 grads still looking lol

[hot steppe]

I graduated in December, so yes

It’s rough

[polar grail]

At least

Were not fuck as china job market

[crystal hollow]

yeah, working but still looking

[forest scarab]

wat kinda job

[crystal hollow]

web dev in a marketing dept

[forest scarab]

what happens if i dont find job after 2 yrs

[gleaming trellis]

you know what to do

[inner cedar]

You join militaru

[craggy jacinth]

yep no entry level jobs here

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[fallen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/suicide-jump-pink-pantern-gif-14045004

[ionic swan]

yes

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/we-finally-made-it-cheers-congratulations-celebration-toast-gif-13778673

[forest scarab]

feels like my life has no meaning rn

[timid gust]

Social construct

[hot steppe]

Same

[forest scarab]

r u still job searching also

[spring hazel]

Where are people looking for new grad jobs? I feel like linked in has been very empty this month

[prime palm]

when do you graduate?

[spring hazel]

I graduated lol

[prime palm]

Oh I read “where” as “when” I’m sorry

[prime palm]

LinkedIn, word of mouth, friends of friends tbh, that pitt scs thing

Surprisingly a lot of my friends found jobs from knowing the right person

E.g someone they interned with a summer or two ago was working at a company and they were hiring -> they referred / let someone know to apply -> apply and get job

I found my current job bc I had a friend interning there and they told me I should apply to be a new grad

And I said k

And that’s it

[spring hazel]

Ahh ok cool cool thanks !

[forest scarab]

when did u graduate

[spring hazel]

Well if u know someone dm me haha

[spring hazel]

May 2023 ://

[forest scarab]

same can i dm

[prime palm]

I think these days with a declining market your network is probably the best way you get a job

like back in 2020 / 2021 you could get jobs from applying to whatever on LinkedIn

[elfin flint]

Same here

[elfin flint]

So I will just pm random people and ask for references?

[hot steppe]

Of course

Feel like I wasted my time doing cs tbh

[prime palm]

i wouldn’t say that’s very beneficial. I think I was just very fortunate to have met a lot of people in internships so we had rapport

I’m not sure if randoms would’ve done the same favors for me

[elfin flint]

[tawdry nacelle]

Best guess would be career fairs in your area to find people to network with

[forest scarab]

i feel pathetic. to those still job searching, what keeps u guys going

[vital meteor]

[rain patio]

giving up is cringe

[hot steppe]

Student loans

Plus I want to make money to travel

[forest scarab]

how do u fill ur time to not feel depressed tho

[hot steppe]

Usually play a video game, hang out with gf/friends, or watch some show or movie on a streaming service

Can’t code/prep for technical interviews all day

[charred dawn]

where you get these money from

[hot steppe]

Wdym

[charred dawn]

rent, bills etc

[hot steppe]

Oh I live back home

[charred dawn]

ah

[hot steppe]

Yea I can’t imagine how it is for people who can’t do that

[charred dawn]

work 3 jobs afas I know

[hot steppe]

Bruh

[rain patio]

leave house, grind lc at library, coffee-shop, drive somewhere new, try new things

[vagrant haven]

where am I even supposed to apply to jobs, it feels like more than half the postings are garbage all around the common sites

[chilly burrow]

• walking
• gym
• biking
• music
• hanging out with friends
• eating
• watching movies

[rain patio]

naw, if ur like in dire circumstances (no interviews for months), its reasonable

also if ur a career switcher or u really want some niche position

idk go do omscs while applying for internships

welp figure out if there's another path b/w u and ur goal that doesn't involve an expensive 2-year commitment

if that's all u can think of or there's some other experience to be had you can't get elsewhere then go 4 it

(i say this as someone finishing their masters this sem)

[blazing flame]

jus not be depressed dawg ez

[brave forge]

im so depressed all i can focus on is leetcode to make more money

(I'm not really depressed)

but i might as well be nothing good happens 😔 just grind for leetcode to fail at interviews to wonder why i suck and then grind more leetcode

[grim ore]

[fallen fox]

@rain patio

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[fallen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[sour epoch]

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[cobalt bane]

.

[fallen fox]

@rain patio

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[hardy relic]

used to come here for info, now it’s just filled with the same few people spreading negativity everywhere 💀

[rain patio]

facts

this server is gone to shit lmao

and spamming ngmi gifs

[hardy relic]

deadass like maybe if you spend more time off discord you’ll see better results

[rain patio]

what no job does to a mf

[blazing flame]

if u think this is bad don't go on r/csmajors

the doom there is like

this server better even tho everyone spams ngmi and dooms

[tulip robin]

WAGMI

[obsidian crater]

wagmi copium hopium dopium

[blazing flame]

pepperidge farm remembers when doom posting was called spreading FUD

[tawdry nacelle]

Nah fax, it’s just making this place depressing seeing everyone spam that stupid ngmi gif everyday

[brave forge]

Hey I still spread positivity and stream the grind 24/7

[brave forge]

The thing is ng is closing up and there’s not much to be excited for in March. First it was wait till the new year , now it is wait till summer for December jobs

The most exciting thing this month has been Amazon sending OA to some people

[tawdry nacelle]

I mean I get it, I'm a may2023 grad and it's march and no job, but seeing people spreading that doomer mentality isn't gonna help anyone and just makes it hella depressing to look in here

[brave forge]

Also why would you read 2023 grads this is a dead channel for people that haven’t gotten a job coming up on a year they are expired, reduced, gone, you should mute this channel and move to #2024 grads

[tawdry nacelle]

bruh

I just said I'm a may 2023 grad

also good job spreading that positivity like you said a couple messages prior

[brave forge]

I’m a 2024 grad

I don’t need to be positive about 2023 grads

If I’m still here in 2025 I’ll be right there with everyone else dooming

That’s 12 straight months of leetcode grind, enough to cause brain damage

I actually don’t even know how I ended up on this channel

[tawdry nacelle]

so you just come in here to spread that doomer shit for shits and giggles

[brave forge]

Na just reminder to grind harder so I don’t end up roaming #2024 grads half way into 2025 😭

But I’m sure you’ll make it the jobs just around the corner, maybe.

Tbh nobody on a job search server is happy they would be enjoying life not here fking grinding leetcode 24/7 and applying to whatever scraps of jobs release

[hardy relic]

what year you graduated shouldn’t matter. it’s as simple as if you don’t have anything good to say, don’t say it. i get that some people are losing hope, and it’s obviously ok to be negative every once in a while, but making it ur daily routine to spam ngmi gifs is pathetic

[tawdry nacelle]

There’s literally a dude in here who every message is that stupid gif he sends like once a day

[tawdry nacelle]

That’s true, but the idea of this channel is to help each other, not just sit here and cry everyday over not making six figures at faang or over every rejection.

Also coming in here saying using people in here as motivation to not become “expired” is hella fucked.

[grim ore]

@fallen fox

[polar grail]

Positive note it allow us to know he still alive and grinding and not 🪢

[tawdry nacelle]

Doesn’t excuse him to put others down

[grizzled bronze]

less competition

[sour epoch]

ive seen much worse shit in this server than the ngmi spam

[tulip robin]

[chilly burrow]

Plz report it next time you see it

@rain patio from now on spamming ngmi will not be allowed

[vital meteor]

truly the end of an era

[brave forge]

time to spam wagmi

https://tenor.com/view/bittensor-tao-crypto-moon-dog-gif-8932729609339863877

[mellow glade]

yo just curious

[brave forge]

the answer is:

cause meta offer is: 137k base, 18k sign on, 150k/4 years stock, 10% target bonus

17.5k reloc, 12k E3 refresher, 2k wellness benefit, up to 11.5k 401k match,

Free breakfast, lunch, dinner, snacks and ammenities in office, free transporation (ex metrocard)

no cliff of stock, larger refreshers with perf multiplier

[indigo storm]

this is for junior positions like 2 yoe right

[mellow glade]

how often do yall feel like you did well on a technical interview and then get rejected?

[brave forge]

nope, actual new grads lol

[mellow glade]

lmfaoo

[indigo storm]

reinterview for like 2022 interns?

[brave forge]

nope external new grads

[indigo storm]

or not traditional swe ng?

[brave forge]

the guy i was coding with on my stream got it

[indigo storm]

not university swe ng right

[brave forge]

external new grad university swe 2024 graduates

[indigo storm]

or was it recruiter reachout

[brave forge]

it was a real new grad job

[indigo storm]

oh

[brave forge]

no not recruiter

they are actually hiring for ng, externally without previous intern

[indigo storm]

or could be intern conversion

jk

wait

[mellow glade]

asking because i had what i feel like was a really good technical interview, a few days ago but im anxious that theyll still reject me cause someone else is a genius or something

[indigo storm]

how come it wasnt in the #grad_postings_old channel then

also wouldnt this server have exploded if zon was hiring bunch of external ng

[brave forge]

yes it basically did

all 10 people that got the OA invite 😭

[indigo storm]

i think they gonna hire like 1 just to meet federal laws

since they are federal contracter so they have to post ng swe link if they do intern conversion

but after hiring their 3 cracked candidates who end up all reneging bc they all were cracked enough to get something better then zon wont bother much i think

[brave forge]

what happened to not dooming

amazon will hire everbody here

[indigo storm]

what when did i say i was not dooming

[brave forge]

we had an emotional speech to convert the server to a positive vibes only space

[indigo storm]

well everyone missed it

[vital meteor]

not US it looks like

[brave forge]

scroll up then

[indigo storm]

oh

[vital meteor]

someone who got it was ireland

[indigo storm]

too lazy

[brave forge]

no it is usa lol

the guy i leetcode with literally got an invite to the DynamoDB role and so did other americans here

hes international also

[vital meteor]

ng?

[brave forge]

yes

he grads may

[indigo storm]

isnt that "Software Development Engineer, DynamoDB"

[vital meteor]

thats industry role

[brave forge]

https://tenor.com/view/bittensor-tao-crypto-moon-dog-gif-8932729609339863877

[vital meteor]

ng means specifically through student program and they arent hiring externally rn

[brave forge]

they aree

i just applied today

[vital meteor]

link? i dont see anyone mentioning it on zon discord

[brave forge]

#2024_grads message

[indigo storm]

did you not read his message

"ng means specifically through student program"

[brave forge]

im illiterate dont blame me

[mellow glade]

https://tenor.com/view/talking-wall-gif-5021467

[tulip robin]

No point thinking about it now

Youve already finished the interview, right?

Its out of your hands now

[brave forge]

there is a point

[indigo storm]

never

[tulip robin]

Move onto the next application

[brave forge]

it causes elevated heart stress so he ropes sooner

[indigo storm]

bc i had almost no technical interviews

[brave forge]

and gets grey hairs

[indigo storm]

[brave forge]

that is useful

[tulip robin]

Stay PMA

[mellow glade]

yea youre right

im just gonna keep my hopes low so i dont get dissappointed

[blazing flame]

https://tenor.com/view/andy-samberg-zoom-in-burn-point-played-yourself-gif-12281170

[quartz wolf]

its more like the interviews i feel like i did bad on i get good news back

[tulip robin]

Reported

[fallen fox]

[untold fjord]

anyone have exp with 402d software engineering group - robins afb? How is it like?

[chilly burrow]

@rain patio and @pliant hamlet we no longer allow the spamming of those gifs

[vapid oasis]

Niiice

[blazing flame]

damn i missed out

[pine topaz]

what was the lore

dang i keep missing out on cscsd lores

[pliant hamlet]

Bro has some sort of personal vendetta against me

[chilly burrow]

Some ppl complained

[lean carbon]

maybe its time to hang up the towel

[chilly burrow]

Thats basically it

[polar grail]

Damn might as well archive this channels

[grim ore]

@chilly burrow do you know when this channel is gonna be archived

[chilly burrow]

Yea prob around when 2025 hiring picks up

[cobalt lake]

literally 1984

[pliant hamlet]

real

[grizzled bronze]

ngmi gif spamming banned means we're all gonna make it going forward!

[mellow glade]

The ngmi gif reminded me that I’m not alone in suffering

[rain patio]

JOBS

repos

• https://github.com/coderQuad/New-Grad-Positions
• https://github.com/ReaVNaiL/New-Grad-2024
• https://github.com/AlanChen4/2024-SWE-New-Grad

sites

• https://simplify.jobs/l/Top-New-Grad
• https://hiring.cafe/
• https://www.governmentjobs.com/jobs/
• https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/
• https://www.indeed.com/
• https://ripplematch.com/
• https://app.joinhandshake.com/login
• https://www.levels.fyi/jobs
• https://www.codenjobs.com/jobs/
• https://www.clearancejobs.com
• https://leap.microsoft.com/en-US/application-process/
• https://www.metacareers.com/careerprograms/pathways/re

startups

• https://builtin.com
• https://johngannonblog.com
• https://wellfound.com
• https://www.startupers.com
• https://www.ycombinator.com/jobs

advice

• https://hachiyuki8.github.io/tech/job-hunt-advice
• https://www.techinterviewhandbook.org/
• https://justinlinpersonal.notion.site/Written-Guide-ad5593333b0540c2b9a4fab8a07f4365

resume

• https://thetechresume.com/
• https://www.overleaf.com/latex/templates/jakes-resume/syzfjbzwjncs

job tracker

• https://www.notion.so/templates/job-hunt-tracker

recruiters

• https://recruiterdb.web.app/
• https://www.careershift.com/

CLOUD

cloud resume project

• https://cloudresumechallenge.dev/docs/the-challenge/aws/

devops

• https://roadmap.sh/devops
• https://roadmap.sh/docker
• https://roadmap.sh/kubernetes
• https://github.com/100daysofdevops/100daysofdevops
• The Phoenix Project => The Unicorn Project

aws

• https://skillbuilder.aws/
• https://aws.amazon.com/certification/

aws saa

• https://learn.cantrill.io/p/aws-certified-solutions-architect-associate-saa-c03
• https://www.udemy.com/course/aws-certified-solutions-architect-associate-saa-c03/

aws ccp

• https://www.udemy.com/course/aws-certified-cloud-practitioner-new/
• https://d1.awsstatic.com/training-and-certification/docs-cloud-practitioner/AWS-Certified-Cloud-Practitioner_Exam-Guide.pdf
• https://d1.awsstatic.com/training-and-certification/docs-cloud-practitioner/AWS-Certified-Cloud-Practitioner_Sample-Questions.pdf
• https://explore.skillbuilder.aws/learn/course/external/view/elearning/12483/aws-certified-cloud-practitioner-practice-question-set-clf-c01-english
• https://amazonmr.au1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_eyBlfVF4Sloz1zL?CPEPowerHour=APR21IntroAWSCloud
• https://tutorialsdojo.com/aws-cloud-practitioner-clf-c01-exam-guide/#common-exam-scenarios
• https://portal.tutorialsdojo.com/courses/aws-cloud-practitioner-essentials/

extra certs

• https://www.comptia.org/training/by-certification/a
• https://www.comptia.org/certifications/network
• https://www.comptia.org/certifications/security
• https://www.comptia.org/certifications/linux
• https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/training-events/training-certifications/certifications/associate/ccna.html
• https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/credentials/certifications/exams/az-900/
• https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/credentials/certifications/exams/az-104/

TECHNICAL

lc

• https://leetcode-company-tagged.vercel.app/
• https://hachiyuki8.github.io/assets/Leetcode.pdf
• https://seanprashad.com/leetcode-patterns/
  blind75
• https://leetcode.com/list/oizxjoit/
  grind75
• https://leetcode.com/list/rab78cw1/
  grind169
• https://leetcode.com/list/rabvlt31/
  neetcode150
• https://leetcode.com/list/rr2ss0g5/
  sql45
• https://leetcode.com/list/o2qifkts/

lc (cont.)

• https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pEzcVLdj7T4fv5mrNhsOvffBnsUH07GZk7c2jD-adE0/edit#gid=0
• https://github.com/wisdompeak/LeetCode

sliding window

• https://leetcode.com/problems/frequency-of-the-most-frequent-element/solutions/1175088/C++-Maximum-Sliding-Window-Cheatsheet-Template/

two pointers

• https://leetcode.com/discuss/study-guide/1688903/Solved-all-two-pointers-problems-in-100-days

substring

• https://leetcode.com/problems/minimum-window-substring/solutions/26808/Here-is-a-10-line-template-that-can-solve-most-'substring'-problems/

binary search

• https://leetcode.com/discuss/study-guide/786126/Python-Powerful-Ultimate-Binary-Search-Template.-Solved-many-problems

tree

• https://leetcode.com/discuss/study-guide/937307/Iterative-or-Recursive-or-DFS-and-BFS-Tree-Traversal-or-In-Pre-Post-and-LevelOrder-or-Views

backtracking

• https://leetcode.com/problems/permutations/solutions/18239/A-general-approach-to-backtracking-questions-in-Java-(Subsets-Permutations-Combination-Sum-Palindrome-Partioning)/

graph

• https://leetcode.com/discuss/study-guide/655708/Graph-For-Beginners-Problems-or-Pattern-or-Sample-Solutions

dp

• https://leetcode.com/discuss/general-discussion/458695/dynamic-programming-patterns#Minimum-(Maximum)-Path-to-Reach-a-Target
• https://leetcode.com/discuss/study-guide/458695/Dynamic-Programming-Patterns
• https://leetcode.com/discuss/study-guide/1437879/Dynamic-Programming-Patterns

TECHNICAL (CONT.)

dev

• https://github.com/kamranahmedse/developer-roadmap

data science

• https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1CgN7DE3pNRNh_4BA_zrrMLqWz6KquwuD

networking

• https://gaia.cs.umass.edu/kurose_ross/lectures.php
• https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLo80JwUm6hSSwGLJmS_quaeJgx9SILLiI
• https://csc-knu.github.io/sys-prog/books/Andrew S. Tanenbaum - Computer Networks.pdf
• Networking All-in-One For Dummies (8th edition)

oop

• https://www.edureka.co/blog/interview-questions/oops-interview-questions/

cheat sheet

• https://www.overleaf.com/read/xwffbbzmrhtr

system design

• https://github.com/donnemartin/system-design-primer
• Designing Data-Intensive Applications: The Big Ideas Behind Reliable, Scalable, and Maintainable Systems (1st edition)
  URL shortener
• https://www.codekarle.com
• https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCRMIe5FDPsd0gVs500xeOewfySTsmEjf
• https://www.educative.io/courses/grokking-modern-system-design-interview-for-engineers-managers/system-design-tinyurl
  Twitter
• https://github.com/karanpratapsingh/system-design#twitter
  Dropbox
• https://systemdesignprimer.com/dropbox-system-design/
  Netflix
• https://github.com/karanpratapsingh/system-design#netflix
  Autocomplete (Google)
• https://www.enjoyalgorithms.com/blog/design-typeahead-system
  WhatsApp
• https://github.com/karanpratapsingh/system-design#whatsapp
  Google Docs
• https://medium.com/@sureshpodeti/system-design-google-docs-93e12133a979
  Uber
• https://github.com/karanpratapsingh/system-design#uber
  AirBNB
• https://www.nexsoftsys.com/articles/how-to-design-backend-system-of-an-online-hotel-booking-app-using-java.html
  Web Crawler
• https://www.enjoyalgorithms.com/blog/web-crawler

os

• https://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~remzi/OSTEP/

[pine topaz]

FROM DOOMER TO BLOOMER

is this what ropepito gonna post everyday now

[grizzled bronze]

dang, who hacked into your account

loving the new ropepito

[earnest summit]

https://tenor.com/view/zeek-terminator-gif-12107387595328647180

[grizzled bronze]

who hacked your account

[elfin flint]

Give this man an award, or a trophy

[fossil jewel]

give him a job

[pliant hamlet]

is this worth doing? I can't seem to find any personal projects where all this is actually necessary
#personal_projects message

[tawdry nacelle]

how do we pin this?

[molten knot]

+1

[vague dune]

I need y'all's opinions. I am a new grad with a masters degree.

CURRENT ROLE:

• Employee at a small company at the Bay Area since start of this year.
• I have been contracted to work at a F500 company (store that sells things at cheap prices, locations in US and Canada) but the small company is my employer.
• Salary is $80k/year (Bay Area). No benefits, no PTO (paid time off), no sick days, no vacation days.
• Living with my parents so don't need to pay rent and my expenses are very minimal
• There is a shuttle near my home that takes me to the office for free so I don't need to pay for transportation/gas.

NEW ROLE:

• Offer from MBI backwards (don't want to say the actual name and have people search the company and see my message)
• Salary is between $105-110k a year. Way more benefits (sick days, vacation days, PTOs, you name it).
  Better name brand and not a contract employee
• Will need to relocate to Chicago, pay for rent, food, maybe transportation depending on where I get housing and if the company offers free shuttles to the office. I am ok with a small, simple place. All I need is a roof over my head, a bed to sleep on, and a bathroom to shower/do business in.

So while the new role is paying more, I will have a lot more expenses too. I imagine rent in Chicago isn't low. I wouldn't be surprised if after rent, food, etc. I am saving less than what I would be saving in my current role.

What would you do in my shoes? Assume that the work/projects are equally interesting/appealing in both companies and approach this from a pure financial/benefits standpoint.

Thanks guys

[fallen fox]

Option #2 actually lets you build a career at a solid company

[quartz wolf]

#2

You are taking a gamble at ur current place

With the new offer u can get ur exp up then maybe even move back home if theres a better place on the table

[grizzled bronze]

Easy, Chicago. Getting no PTO/no sick days/no vacation days is insanity

[vague dune]

Thanks guys. I was leaning towards the Chicago job and you guys have made me more confident that it's the way to go.
I hope the rent in Chicago isn't crazy. I am a simple guy so don't need anything fancy when it comes to housing or food. I won't party or spend lavishly. Hope that helps me save more than what I'm saving in my current job even with the added expenses.

[quartz wolf]

Rent is pre high but youll make it back

[mellow glade]

my biggest regret is not being born 4-5 years earlier. smh.

[timid gust]

May the lord bless you with warm pillows

[merry timber]

Chicago is the city that I’ve always not been to fond of

but it’s an excellent place to live in many regards

there’s so many jobs there and CoL is pretty low

You can find a nice apartment for under $1,300 which is hard these days

It won’t be downtown but it’s not in the slums. And there’s a train

[edgy sentinel]

Can’t you get a studio for like 1600 in downtown Chicago?

[tulip robin]

No one really lives in downtown Chicago, but in the most expensive areas studios start at 1500-1600

But those are really small/old units

[cedar cairn]

I'm sure u can find a more expensive area

If u look in like river north gold coast you get around 2k studio

But yea there's affordable places too ofc

[elfin flint]

back in NY I lived in a basement 700$ a month

[tulip robin]

Goald coast has a lot of cheapish units near the clark stop

Like 1300-1500

[cedar cairn]

Nice

[tulip robin]

River North usually units start from 1600. Ive seen 1 or 2 for under that but theyre extremely bad lol

[cedar cairn]

Ya ofc, probably not worth if it's too cheap in the nicest area

[grizzled bronze]

oracle loved to do layoffs though afaik

[vague dune]

Yessir

[vague dune]

Thank you. I don't even care if the apartment is nice. A small 1 bed 1 bath is fine. Don't need a living room or kitchen, just a bed, table/chair, and a drawer to keep some clothes. That's all. I'll take the cheapest one I can get that's not too far from the office

[tulip robin]

No kitchen is mad

[vague dune]

I can get by with an instant pot and microwave. I'm not going to be baking or cooking elaborate dishes. Maybe just some pasta or rice.

I'll wash the dishes by hand in the bathroom. I'll use soap and be thorough.

Won't have a lot of dishes as just one person - no more than 2/3 plates/bowls/spoons/forks per day

Now that's a fine idea. Thanks for sharing it

[tulip robin]

I've never seen an apartment without a kitchen

But if your only objective is saving money then find roommates

You can find places for ~ 500-600 in my neighbourhood with roommates

Probably can go even cheaper

Also, don't just sort by minimum price when finding apartments in Chicago
Some areas are cheaper for a reason 💀

[brave forge]

wait he makes 100k and wants to live like this

[vague dune]

Thanks for the advice. Yea, roommates seem like a good idea if I can't find a cheap 1 bed 1 bath place for myself. I would want a room to myself, don't want to share a room with someone.

[blazing flame]

clearly you aren't look at the slum lord listings

[blazing flame]

only 4-5?

what are u a loser? u should've been born like wayyy earlier so u can buy property and stocks for dirt cheap and ride out the wave

[tulip robin]

Wants a room to himself but doesnt want a kitchen

[unreal current]

Does anyone here work in the Controllers division at Goldman Sachs? Please DM!

[crystal hollow]

I wish I was my older sister's age so I could do tech better than her

[sullen hornet]

Hey guys, i will be giving my coderpad assessment for goldman sachs this week. Can you anyone help me with what sort of questions they would be asking and any previous questions are also appreciated

[narrow harbor]

it's kinda shitty how some companies have roles posted publicly

but will only look at referrals or internal transfers

[fallen fox]

@rain patio

[gleaming trellis]

You got a SWE job yet?

[rain patio]

Who’s still lookin for a job

[cobalt bane]

has anyone taken doordash ng oa? how was it?

[fierce eagle]

me 🙂

[narrow harbor]

nah but got interview through referall

asked the person who gave me referal why they rejected me first, then sent me an interview invitation

cause their public job posting for the position is only for interal or referal only

which makes me wonder how many positions ive applied to that were like that

[fierce eagle]

Oh wtf which company?

[quiet copper]

What percentage of 2023 grads do you guys think have a full time swe job rn?

I feel like this channel it’s mostly just a few active people

While the server has like 100k members

[chilly burrow]

While the server has 100k members

A good chunk of them are inactive

[quiet copper]

Yeah true

[quiet copper]

I’m just wondering what ur guy’s guesstimate is

[chilly burrow]

Honestly its almost impossible to say

I have no clue 😊

[quiet copper]

Cuz all this job hunting for nearly a year is getting me so depressed and burnt out

And I’m just wondering how bad it is for everyone else

[vital meteor]

It's so over

[gleaming trellis]

They rejected you first and sent you an invitation for interview?

[blazing flame]

it's only you who's unemployed

everyone else and their mom and dog got offers

only you

jk no dawg it's tough for everyone

[humble narwhal]

rent a room as you don't need living room and kitchen. that save a lot.

[blazing flame]

why a room?

just get a cardboard box

actually no that's too low, just get a casket and rent a morgue drawer

[humble narwhal]

but chicago is cold. if he is going to south california that might works

[blazing flame]

just get an insulated card baord box then lol

[humble narwhal]

Chigaco is rainy? cardboard doesnt work

[blazing flame]

waxed, insulated cardboard box

there

dont say now that chitown is also called chiraq so the box wont stop bullets

then i'll say kevlar lined, waxed, insulated card board box

there

any more objections

[humble narwhal]

get a cybertruck and live in the car is better

[fallen fox]

[stone crystal]

what job boards do u guys use?

is there a dedicated job board for entry level positions?

[fallen fox]

check pinned

[stone crystal]

o word thank you

[tulip robin]

Chicago is windy
Changing to a wooden box will help protect against the wind

[blazing flame]

this sounds like the pigs with the 3 houses and the big bad scawy wolf

thing

[steady spindle]

can anyone help me with discord groups/repos for Data Analyst roles, please?

[crystal hollow]

wooden box with insulation

i.e. a house

[tulip robin]

[crystal hollow]

a boy can dream

[fossil jewel]

from roping to hoping

[tulip robin]

Banned word alert

[fossil jewel]

[rain patio]

Bro getting timed out

[fossil jewel]

was i?

idk i got back to work

[placid rain]

anyone given frontend technical interview for tesla?

[ionic swan]

Is this a bad thing

[fierce eagle]

nah everyone got this,, you can see people in 2024_grads/process chat talking about it

but we got it after them so maybe they don't care about 2023 grads as much 🤨

[ionic swan]

💀

[grizzled bronze]

totally bad, i'm sorry

[pulsar nebula]

any tips for Verkada Embedded SWE?

[ornate cliff]

Better than a rejection fam

[ionic swan]

True, ive already had so many

[cobalt bane]

When do you graduate btw?

[ionic swan]

I already did which is why im in this channel lol

June 2023 i graduated

[cobalt bane]

the position you applied for was this right: Software Engineer I, New Graduate (Graduation Date: Spring 2024-Summer 2024)

I graduated in dec 2023 and got rejected after getting the oa a few days ago (haven't taken it yet)

So I thought maybe it was a graduation thing but ig not

[ionic swan]

Yes

I didnt get the oa though yet

Just that email

[cobalt bane]

cool thanks

[elfin flint]

They just rejected me right away

That's something

[ionic swan]

😭

Thats how its been for most of my applications

[molten knot]

Since we are 2023 grads and this email is related to 2024 grad posting which means we are fkd anyways

[polar grail]

U just gotta be lucky

If u applied when it was posted or referred u will mostly likely be reviewed and maybe get interviews

If late most likely not get reviewed and be ghosted

[polar grail]

Nah they had a job posting

Including 2023

New grad along with 2024

But new grad position requires min 2 internships experience

For filtering out people

[molten knot]

[misty hawk]

dmed!

[radiant wedge]

Did anyone here ever interview with Vermont Information Processing? Kinda urgent

[sour epoch]

remember everyone if you're smart, hard working, and consistent you'll eventually land a job, trust the process

i am unfortunately none of those things

[brave forge]

this is what im doing. i am no longer focused on the job search process, i study algos to prepare for my Machine learning masters, i apply to a few new jobs everyday, and i dont mind giving interviews. I have 0 interest in the process, or do i care what happens after i interview. if they send a job they do but otherwise i keep studying to go through my ML degree and then hopefully be able to apply to Machine learning software engineer jobs'

[ionic swan]

I am also studying iOS development rn working freelance as well while i search for jobs

[molten knot]

No but they saw my resume, linkedin amd they reached out to me saying that your location is not Vermont. I said I am open for relocation and....... Ghosted!

[humble narwhal]

if you want to be MLE make sure you choose thesis based program
I just grad with course-based MSCS with a spec in ML and now I'm focusing on cloud and hopefully I will get a cloud job

[fierce eagle]

so you're saying course based didn't help you at all?

[humble narwhal]

I wouldn't say it's useless, as I've seen people who went for course-based ml track still landing MLE jobs in 2022 . But considering the job market most MLE positions I've come across prefer candidates with publications / research experiences.

[fierce eagle]

Fair enough, everything is dependant on the state of the market 🙃🙃

[humble narwhal]

the best route is to get the return offer from your ML intern. Generally it's even more challenging than landing a sde job even the job market is good.
Firstly, there are fewer openings for ML roles compared to SDE positions. Secondly, the bar is set higher and the interviews tend to be more difficult (sde interview prep + ml concepts/algo + ml model design).

[fierce eagle]

Makes sense - Do ML intern interviews also have the same 3 aspects, just with a lower bar?

[humble narwhal]

In general the intern interviews still touch on ML concepts and algorithms but the expectations are a bit lower. There are fewer interview rounds and they typically won't require you to write algorithms like LSTM for example during the interview.

[fierce eagle]

Ah okok, thanks for answering my questions 🙂

[gleaming trellis]

How do you know all this?

[humble narwhal]

my own exp + my frds (new grad and senior mle) exp

[gleaming trellis]

I thought project based program is better instead of thesis based program because don’t companies want real-world project experience?

[humble narwhal]

project-based also works. Don't choose course-based

[gleaming trellis]

What is course-based?

[humble narwhal]

Coursework Based. You only have to take the required amount of classes to graduate

[fallen fox]

[slender axle]

Which role did you get it for? I applied for backend eng 1 and never got this email

[fierce eagle]

Either the general new grad or Toronto role

It doesn't specify which role they're sending it for

[slender axle]

Did they have a general new grad role targeting 2023?

I though their 2023 roles require experience

6 months

[fierce eagle]

They did, even 2022 grads had a posting

[slender axle]

Huh ok

[mellow glade]

its been a week since i did my technical and have not heard anything back since. am i cooked?

[mellow glade]

Yup sent an email today. Hopefully something by like Monday

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-rope-not-happy-depression-pet-gif-14391513

[fair zephyr]

do we know if msft has a cap on applications? there r a lot of openings on their site but idk if can just apply to all

[slender axle]

Yeah that just looks like the default confirmation email

[ionic swan]

yes, i was just highlighting the role i applied for since you asked

[slender axle]

Ahh gotcha

[gleaming trellis]

They still have position for grad date dating to Spring 2022?

[ionic swan]

https://careers.doordash.com/jobs/5695380

[elfin flint]

Applied

[fair zephyr]

does palantir send “app received” emails i havent gotten any

[elfin flint]

No they don't

I haven't received any email

[rain swan]

Yes

[fair zephyr]

lol

i didnt get anything

[forest scarab]

if during the interview they mention they'll get back in 2 weeks and its first round, thats prob a rejection huh

[fair zephyr]

not rly

it means theyll get back in 2 wks

[misty hawk]

depends on company

[edgy sentinel]

for hirevue prerecorded interviews have you guys finished a question, left and then came back to finish the rest. Is that bad?
it says I can resume where I left off

[fierce eagle]

don't think they have an official cap, but usual rule of thumb is 3 applications in a short time period, otherwise it looks bad

[fair zephyr]

ok ty

[vivid wyvern]

how long does it take to get EAD by premium processing? (can my intl friends ans this, thanks!)

[fair zephyr]

couple of weeks i think

[short lark]

within 30 days

[umbral laurel]

Any companies that are currently hiring for early career/new grad roles?

[signal grotto]

Does anyone know of recruiting websites where you can contact a recruiter to help find a job?

[modest rampart]

linkedin?

[vivid wyvern]

Hi, did anyone here do GS superday before?

[fossil jewel]

anyone actually hear back for this

other than the confirmation email

[ionic swan]

Just this

[fossil jewel]

damn

[fair zephyr]

i didnt get that

only confirmation

[fair zephyr]

bro im getting no interviews at all this is wild

[gleaming trellis]

How many applications did you submit?

[fierce eagle]

Lmk if you find a good one

The ones my friends use aren't willing to help a new grad 💀💀

[signal grotto]

Can I ask what one’s your friends use?

[fierce eagle]

They won't help unless you have at least 2 YOE, cause even with intro they ghosted me

If you do tho then DM me and I can share email

[signal grotto]

I send a DM to ya

[dawn plume]

Is anyone aware of Hire Success assessment pattern?

[golden agate]

Anyone know of websites that ask you to make http requests and get manipulate the data in some way? Trying to simulate what this job interview is going to ask me to do. Like:

"fetch this data from this API"
"create array with only values in data that are this"
"then return the array that looks like this"

[grizzled bronze]

hackerrank has a couple problems https://www.hackerrank.com/skills-verification/rest_api_intermediate

[golden agate]

nice, thanks for the link!

[dusk hedge]

thanks!

[dawn plume]

Is anyone aware of the Hire Success assessment pattern?

[runic shard]

Anyone interviewed with Confluent for FE role? How did it go? Were you asked FE specific questions or leetcode?

[safe dawn]

are you talking about the talroo one?

[grim ore]

@fallen fox @rain patio

[dawn plume]

Yess, for Talroo only. Its like a 35 mins assessment. No idea what is expect

[safe dawn]

it’s 4 math questions

[dawn plume]

ohh thanks! plus behavioral ques?

[safe dawn]

no just 4 math

[dawn plume]

Nice. Thanks for sharing!

[mellow glade]

Got rejected from the only place that bothered to interview me 🥲

[vapid oasis]

Oof well u gotta keep on pushing

I got rejected two times in the last five months

Even though I aced technical

But we just gotta push thru friend

[mellow glade]

It’s too late for me. At this point I gotta give up and do grad school. Nobody wants to hire a guy who’s been unemployed for 9 months. At least this time around I’ll make sure to do more internships while I’m in school.

2 more years of my life to be eaten up by school. I will never make 6 figures. Mediocrity is my destiny

[fair zephyr]

dude i feel the same its like i spent 4 years at a t1 cs school that cost my parents a fortune and just got laid off after 7 months as a new grad, and cant get a single interview and am on visa so am on a clock. Probably will have to go to apply to a grad school to stay in the US (all my savings) i just feel bad for my parents and truly ended up being a complete bum fml im just thinking what if i cant get a job even after grad school then what lmao

[fierce eagle]

Many things are out of our control, all we should and can do is continue to strive forward 🫡

[grim ore]

have you tried applying to jobs in your home country

[gleaming trellis]

Why?

[mellow glade]

Yea if I can’t get a job after grad school then I am genuinely lost in life like there’s actually no hope. I have to work at McDonald’s or something. I’ll be poor like the rest of my family tree. Fml

[mellow glade]

I don’t even know. I thought I did well in the technical. Then they hit me with “your skills aren’t what we’re looking for”

[gleaming trellis]

After which round?

[mellow glade]

Technical

[gleaming trellis]

I think they already have someone else in mind

Sometimes it has less to do with the interview than the resume

[errant hinge]

they sent me that too last year, i know it may not sounds like much but it does get better.

i still look at their email and laugh especially since i aced my interview too

[gleaming trellis]

At least you got 7 months of experience

[fair zephyr]

no ill do that once my clock in the US runs out until then ill keep trying here. obviously its a third world country so wouldnt be great

[fair zephyr]

isnt helping me get interviews sadly

[proud sparrow]

It feels like we all ended up in the worst possible timeline for our careers

[lavish inlet]

damn

[humble narwhal]

anyone heard about Outlier? Is it scam?

The remote job for AI model training, like the DataAnnotation and RemoteTask

[lavish inlet]

DataAnnotation and RemoteTask are i think scams

[humble narwhal]

rele? I read on reddit a lot of ppl are working for them

but im not sure about this "Outlier" company

[crystal hollow]

RemoTasks kept spamming me with "complete your signup!" emails every day for a month, even after CCing their legal and privacy inboxes

finally stopped after I CC'd legal at scale AI

was about to get Rob Bonta on their ass

[obsidian crater]

did you go to MIT?

[fair zephyr]

i meant to write t10

[jovial sentinel]

omg really 😦

[gloomy terrace]

Can you have multiple companies give h1b apps

[remote bobcat]

New rule makes it so that you will only have a single petition for all the companies.

[gloomy terrace]

What if I haven’t started work somewhere

As in multiple offers

[fair zephyr]

still starting this year its one per person not one per company i think

[remote bobcat]

Afaik, you can have multiple registrations but only one entry will be in lottery. If picked, all the registrations will be notified and you can select one. Once again, not an expert on this so check with the companies.

[maiden parcel]

got rejected with the only company that got me a second round

with summer approaching

not sure what to do at this point

[lilac token]

Anyone interviewed with yellowbrick data?

[blazing flame]

Is this knock off data bricks based in Kansas?

[lilac token]

hahaha.. doesn't look like that.

[gleaming trellis]

When did you graduate?

[maiden parcel]

dec 2023

[gleaming trellis]

How many applications you submitted? How many interviews so far?

[maiden parcel]

500

2 phones

3 video

lamo

this is so depressing

im going to cry

[gleaming trellis]

Any internships or experience?

[maiden parcel]

Sadly no

Just unfortunate that I couldn’t get any

[spark bay]

lads we did it. graduated May 2023 but didn't start applying full time until September. applied to approx. 25 jobs across various job boards/recruiting firms in 6 months, 4 interviews, 4 rejections (3 at first round, 1 at take-home in between 1st/2nd). ended up getting a data analyst role from a connection with a friend. was not aiming solely at SDE, at first I spent most of my time grinding LC, reading programming books and attempting to build projects since I had zero internship experience. the interviews were all after 4 months of nothing so it is possible. 3 interviews came through connection with a friend, only 1 was through job site. I was pretty good about applying / grinding the first two months and then I fell into a deep pit of despair through November/December only to start to gain traction once jan/feb rolled around. the deepest pit of despair I felt was when i failed a simple take-home screener after the first interview of my dream job a couple weeks back that i could have used ChatGPT to get the right answers for. if I take away anything from this its that human connection >> anything else, while you're living you've got to find a group of people you invest deeply in and who invest deeply into you. Now I didn't like make new connections with people once I graduated- I had a lot of friends who sent me job opportunities and encouraged me, but if I could go back I would continue to connect with people and I intend to do so moving forward. I also didn't graduate with a full cs degree (just a minor) and no relevant experience, so I didn't apply for many junior/entry-level SDE positions, mostly SDE adjacent positions since that would cut down on competition.

TL;DR take aways

• if you're interested in entry-level SDE adjacent roles, I would apply for them since they have less competition at the moment.
• connect with people in real life as much as possible, even if you're an introvert, find a group of people in the industry who share your hobbies (like board games, running or lifting) and spend time with them (a mentor suggested using MeetUp.com to find specific programming language groups). this may not lead to you finding a job per say but it will improve your mentals immensely.
• don't lose hope, even if you can barely get out of bed or bear the thought of looking at another job posting, just keep putting in the reps.

[gleaming trellis]

What experience you have on your resume?

[spark bay]

I helped a local company with their Excel files and edited some of their HTML for two years while I was a student to help pay for college. I worked at a major shipping company (Amazon, FedEx, UPS) the two COVID summers since I didn't have luck finding internships. 🤡 so worse than nothing. And I never took the classes for CS that have big projects associated with them/did any hackathons, it was quite literally the kind of resume that would get instantly rejected by any good ATS.

I've lurked on this discord for a while but didn't post a lot since my severe lack of experience/skills. there were so many people applying to hundreds of positions with resumes/portfolios lightyears ahead of mine that I had to stop reading this channel since every time I did I'd come away thinking "if these CS gods can't land a position there's no shot I get anything. and they're joking about working a menial job instead when I'm like 'been there, done that'." So if whoever's reading this in a similar boat to me (lurking and/or severely underqualified), I recommend you stop reading this channel and don't come back until you land something. also, if you're considering quitting for a while to either go back and get your masters (if you have money) or working an unrelated role (if you don't), set yourself a hard deadline based on your financials/situation and do your best until then. (mine was May 2024) But unless your soul is somehow unaffected by societal expectations, I think based on my experience you will feel better working any job than none at all.

[forest scarab]

what should i do if im 1 yr post grad and still searching?

[feral crest]

the answers always leetcode and pray at any level

[fair zephyr]

maybe consider grad school

[forest scarab]

what if i dont get into grad school

[gleaming trellis]

What is your undergraduate GPA?

[forest scarab]

3.4 😵‍💫

[polar grail]

Might as well try if u got money

U prob can get into the non prestigious one and take online courses

One

[maiden parcel]

I might consider being tech support in bestbuy lol

[gleaming trellis]

You got experience or certification?

[maiden parcel]

No

Personal experience building my pc I guess lol

[hollow vortex]

CS -> Best Buy kinda valid for now

Never thought about that

[nova gazelle]

i feel like just applying every opportunity/entry level/associate/etc and side projects but a whole ass year. so im applying for masters so u get the "advantage" of being eligible for internships. theres a couple that range from $7k ish -$20k

[ionic swan]

doordash just send me the exact same email again tf is happening

[polar grail]

Dont worry about it

Most likely a reply all

[spark bay]

I’d suggest looking for SDE-adjacent role, small/local companies/startups those usually don’t have the same level of competition but the playbook varies wildly

[crystal hollow]

Micro Center would be tight

[ionic swan]

Yeah got the same one

[fair zephyr]

ya they sent that in mass rn

got it too

[celest whale]

Just withdraw bro

End ur misery

[ionic swan]

This is the second time i got it

For the same role

[elfin flint]

[charred dawn]

I withdraw and they are still senting me

[fair zephyr]

it means they rrlly want u bro

[charred dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/burger-eating-frieren-frieren-beyond-journey's-end-sousou-no-frieren-gif-13425073513713719938

[elfin flint]

I saw that

[celest whale]

Bruh I thought u were @charred dawn

[elfin flint]

[celest whale]

[charred dawn]

smh

[ionic swan]

Today my grandparents called me to tell me how everyone else has a job my cousins , friends and how i should just get one too they said do labor job its fine

I hear everyday from parents but grandparents was a new one

[hollow vortex]

I pray for you man 🙏

That was 70% of my stress hearing it from family

[ionic swan]

Same another big stress factor is im international so i might have to go back if i dont get a job by mid 2025

If i go back the stuff they said is gonna get worse and even more relatives will be saying things being asian sucks

[crystal hollow]

is there a reason you can't get any old job like serving or coffee?

or are you still in school

[ionic swan]

I wont get citizenship from a coffee shop job unfortunately although ig that would stop my parents and grandparents from saying stuff

And no i graduated june 2023

[fair zephyr]

how do u have so much time??

[ionic swan]

In canada you get 2 or 3 years of work permit depending on your duration of study mine is 3 years so till 2026

And you need a year of experience in a skilled job within these 3 years then you can apply for citizenship

[fringe prawn]

i haven't found anything yet in SWE although i've been working on the side earning decent money. means i can be pickier about which companies i decide to go forward with for SWE.

[ionic swan]

Ive been working sorta freelance contract stuff not earning a lot but it counts as swe experience

But i only earn like 800 ish per project and ive done 2 so far

[fringe prawn]

my big mistake was lack of SWE internship experience, although i've collaborated with media outlets and such with tech-related demos and projects, and also done some game dev which was somewhat successful

[ionic swan]

Yeah i wasnt able to get internships in uni, i joined coop at my uni in third year but it was 2020 and so yeah

[fringe prawn]

even had influence over some big open source projects (this server has like 100k members i'm sure at least someone here has used it)

[ionic swan]

Im currently learning ios dev on the side

[ionic swan]

Damn thats pretty good

[fringe prawn]

but it has still been difficult

[ionic swan]

😔

I just feel bad abt my parents too they spent so much money on my education as an international student theyve even moved here to support me now and yeah

Im just still living on their salary and cant get a job myself it sucks

[crystal hollow]

yo get a job as a bike mechanic

its TEER3

[ionic swan]

Oh

Is that easy to get without experience?

[crystal hollow]

yeah

[ionic swan]

Okay ill search up jobs near me

[crystal hollow]

if you can show you can put together a bike

you're golden

interview is usually like "here is a bike in a box, build it"

[ionic swan]

I dont know how to build a bike tho

[fringe prawn]

the problem is that HR doesn't know much about SWE besides well known US companies

[crystal hollow]

its easy just watch youtube

[ionic swan]

Bet

[hollow vortex]

I had 3x internship, 2 F500 ones and just got my first offer last week 💀

[fringe prawn]

so i have that hurdle to go through

[hollow vortex]

No return fucked me over so bad

[fringe prawn]

wait when did you graduate

[crystal hollow]

also read sheldon brown's old ass site

[hollow vortex]

In my last semester rn

[ionic swan]

I had a call yesterday for a tech support job and the recruiter said she will call me back to explain the interview process

Hoping i get that call

One of the people who i was supposed to work with for my third contract project basically wanted to take advantage of my situation, he told me to build him a sample project for free and then he will hire me if he likes me work

I worked for a few days but it quickly became apparent he wanted me to work for free

So i left

[fringe prawn]

i got a takehome that just looked like free work

[ionic swan]

It wasnt even an interview, if he wanted to hire me for a project he could have told me so

I asked him for a job and he basically told me to make this project for him for free

Like i walked in to his shop and asked since it seemed like they do web dev

[fringe prawn]

all i know is that i've really tried to diversify my resume so i'm not a one trick pony

[ionic swan]

Yeah

[fringe prawn]

i don't want to be stuck fighting for my life in web dev

because that's what most people target

so i diversified into embedded, computer graphics and games, HPC, etc.

i'm pretty much a guaranteed hire at a startup if they are in a position to bring someone new in but they have uncertainties with their contracts

doesn't make my life easier though

[ionic swan]

Hope everyone makes it

[fringe prawn]

i would also take a look at software sales if possible

or high-tech sales

the CS and engineering background can be a tremendous help although you need decent communication and public speaking skills above average

[crystal hollow]

Application support is decent $$ if you can talk to people

Its pretty salesy tho

i'm telling all you Canuck wannabes gunning for citizenship, go buy a bike for $50 off kijiji or whatever its called and learn how to fix it

the pay sucks but at least you can stay in the country

sometimes you get beer tips

and riding a bike is good for mental health

[fringe prawn]

it's rough though, i know you don't have to have a godlike resume for an internship or new grad but it does feel like that sometimes

[crystal hollow]

doesn't sound fun anyway

[maiden parcel]

Mood on that give me a job

Tech support like in bestbuy??

[ionic swan]

nah for a fortune 500 company

9 month contract

[blazing flame]

Neal Wu is there too

[blazing flame]

Ngmi

[pure plank]

Is meta freezing hiring for new grad now?? Hearing a lot from reddit and discord and wanted to confirm.

[autumn iris]

i mean it's probably correct

i heard a big issue is team matching

[frigid basin]

I thought they abandoned it

For the recent peeps

[autumn iris]

abandoned what

i dont think i heard anyone who got offers from meta+ got past team matching stage

[frigid basin]

Team matching

[grim ore]

they froze E4 hiring according to reddit

have like 1k in team match rn

crazy

[pure plank]

Woah.. Ohh Okay.

[mellow glade]

i would have just clocked in rn if i had managed to land a job post graduation 🥲

Since I havent landed a job since may im gonna go for my masters. I need advice on what to do it on though.

[shadow radish]

has anyone had an onsite with Microsoft recently? I was looking for some insight on whether to expect sys design or what to expect from the behaviorals. seems like the coding questions are rng

[muted atlas]

Do 2023 grad still qualify as new grads for 2025 recruiting

[rain patio]

Your just like me fr

[muted atlas]

I’m not a 2023 grad

I’m a 2025 grad wondering if I’m gonna have to deal with ngmi’s

[rain patio]

Yeah u are

I’m snatching those 2025 new grad spots

[muted atlas]

[muted atlas]

You’re cooked btw

Ready for my 2025 NG doom arc to begin

[rain patio]

I got a job rn

im gunning for those 2025 new grad roles as soon as they open

[celest whale]

At subway?

[muted atlas]

Where let’s go offer for offer rn

[timid gust]

Has anyone done the Verizon Leadership development program interview ?