#2023_grads
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i just need job 😭
Any job?
Isn’t that the ripple match spammer?
So annoying
How can they save us
have a retro meeting

yes please
is jpmc 2024 emerging talent OA auto?
yeah
is it hard
no
buy a bicycle
go on a long ride
then be useless the rest of the day
it's fun!

try to cut down on the leetcode and see if that helps
does everyone get the JPMC hire vue?
Rocket center WHAT!? 🤨📸
💀

Idk if this country will still be standing in 2025 lol
it will be invaded by alien
do you know if hirevue is also auto
better than ibm cock associate i imagine
No but they are saying in favor of the candidate
If you read the article
It's for consultancy internships, accounting majors.
I read that headline on LinkedIn too and was about to go cry/cope... and then read the actual blurb, it's about the big consultancy firms wanting to get to candidates before their competitors.
tried texting my ex but i think i got ghosted
your ex is a recruiter ig
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lmao i love how pissy the Starfield developers are
like bruh did you really expect your reputation to be good enough that fans ignore the glaring issues in your game?
i at least expected something as fun as skyrim...but this has to be one of the worst games i've ever played in years
it's like they wasted too much time working on stuff that doesn't even matter
i don't care about procedural generation if the characters and story are more bland than a middle school harry potter fanfic
i wanted skyrim in space
well It is basically skyrim in space
yeah but even skyrim has more stuff to do
it feels more alive
sounds like Bethesda spent too much time remastering skyrim 20,000 times and forgot how to make games lol
I think the game would been
cool if the expanded
on the multiverse
gameplay
part
yeah me too 😭
and it's horribly optimized too. When skyrim came out, i could play it on high settings on a freakin 2012 office laptop with integrated graphics. And it ran fine and i had a blast
if ur lucky
Now that I think about it, only every other game by bethesda has been pretty successful...not counting Fallout because I don't really follow or care about fallout lol
If u also think about it they really be following same formula
on making all their games
everything just modded skyrim
Arena was what kicked off bethesda in the first place, and it did well. Daggerfall was meh. Morrowind was so good it brought Bethesda back from the brink of bankruptcy and is still a gem to this day (why tf won't they remaster it!?). Oblivion was mid and people always make fun of it. Skyrim was overwhelmingly successful. Starfield mid....So elder scrolls 6 may be amazing?
Elder scroll 6 depends most likely they going use same engine and formula
really depend how good they make their rpg
aspect of their story
never will be on bg3 level
unless they really really try
I just want skyrim but with slightly better combat, a less generic fantasy setting, and maybe they can do something to make the perk system better cuz half the perks are useless
nah dont think they will change combat much
😦
I mean, combat has changed a lot from game to game
nah their game engine is fine...they just are lazy
well i only play fallout and skyrim and starfield before
you can mod skyrim to have dark souls level combat and it works great lol
all of them feel same
oh rip
sword combat in skyrim is so boring
just swing at each other and you can't really dodge
like most people say the only good things about their games
is their mod community
and mod engine support they give
and how they fix their bug for them
yeah the amount of bugs in elder scrolls games is absurd
wish they would patch them
like the modders who patch skyrim have everything so well documented
bethesda could just look up the list of fixes and ask the modders for their code so they can integrate the fixes directly into skyrim
my issue is that a lot of bugfixers take creative liberties with their mods that you can't download separately
it's really annoying
no $ for gym
im sad
to those who did the meta OA and moved onto the next round, did you have to get all questions correct on the OA?
waz
NGMI
does it actually work that well for you 😭
I take prozac (or is it Lexapro?) and all it does is make it so it takes a lot more for me to feel stressed
but if in a really stressful situation, it's like it does nothing
buy a bicycle
also therapy and SSRIs can help but its a process
if you need to get your shit in order quick, its moda time
but really, everyone needs time to sort through their feelings
inner peace and all that
if you can't devote time and effort towards that then anything else is going to be a bandaid
but if you're already on an SSRI or other anti-depressant, keep it up
better a bandaid than brain zaps from SSRI withdrawal
gym is therapy sure but have you considered the wind thru your hair and the crunch of macadam/dirt under the tires of your human-propelled machine
lol i bike around already because I can't afford a car yet

girl on linkedin just posted she got software engineer job after graduating with her poetry degree. wtf man.
F my life
Under represented hire
maybe. She was asian and thanked a bunch of people
Maybe nepotism too
lol who knows
Where’s the post?
dont want to dox her. I just want to complain like a baby. I'll shut up now and work harder lol
No worries, which company did they get into though
Do you go to Vanderbilt ?
no
Did she have any SWE internships?
Shes built diff
Prob a troll.
If not she knows the way
Poetry rizz
Good code kind of is similar to poetry 🤔
3-5
I have pretty much the whole day though
i mean it depends how strong are you with the basics
like lets say you can solve any easies
Not really
so you can do like 5-7 mediums a day BUT if you are ass at easies then i would say start with easies
then get on mediums
Okay
Yeah got you
i learned a lot of tricks that helped in mediums from easies

15 days
bro its not a race
LC is like going to the gym
you get better as you do it
I only have 15 days for meta
if you are on a time crunch
oh wait
then do meta top tagged
like legit mug it up 💀
Yeah
I was playing Spider-Man on my Ps5 and it snowed in one of the missions
bro

go outside ffs
dont play games before interviews its a trap
touch yourself
find a girl to touch
touching is far away , first hurdle is to find a girl

Already have a girl 
bro we not talking about anime girls or waifus
Me neither
well then spend time with her
After 15 days
Taking inspiration from @forest scarab
is she virtual
No, she’s busy
It’s transitive
Get job -> Get rizz
Bro has 7 years experience and has to make such a post 
the reason he is unemployed is coz of Angular
ive been hearing a lot of mid level and seniors struggling to land a job but it's not a big deal for new grads. They are looking for higher level jobs with higher expecations then NG
💀
did homeland security not come for u yet?
yo thats racist
h o w?
so hard
i try to learn, but my C++ consists of copying someone elses project
That’s why folks get job
you can't "learn c++" there's too much
Cpp 8 rounds mf
Do you get paid?
Then it’s volunteering
but unpaid was approved
Why
idk
Isn’t it perfectly legal
it is either way
but
uni maybe wants to save money
idc
prof is nice , he knows my situation .
Is he the prof that i am thinking of
yes prof alex
Gz on job
Gz?

3 years
or u still lose hours
it stops for a while
oh
ye
no man
So u lose hours still
nooo
No?
Oh
How long??
i gotta get a paid 40 hour gig by march
until then i don't lose days
Otherwise? ……..
i will lose days
oh
Can you tell me why that is the case
3months is pretty long
Cause if I remember correctly, you graduated in May - OPT would’ve come by June or July
i will file for STEM OPT between Mar - May
for that i need a paid 40 hour gig
even to file it
so gotta find something by march
Is that a rule
yea

Kinda tight
pressure makes a person stronger
fk it , i will face it
but yeah sometimes the anxiety kicks in

Yeah I was under pressure this semester, almost failed a course
And one job offer rescinded
Other no return offer 
well its okay to have 3 offers and 1 get rescinded

and why was the rescind
yeah i think he talkin about that
why delete wtf

it was just friendly banter



noo
dw they will get back to you
with
an OFFFER

Unlimited PTO is the biggest scam
Depends on company to company
at walmart its a scam

your manager wouldn't give 2 shits about it

At my graduating ceremony
congrats
You’ll hear back mid January

Where are you working now

make some vaccine to get rizz
forever stuck doing research
bro is being humble
gunna get rejected
I feel stupid to get a phd
They barely accept anyone
I have to hope he accepts me


that's good, once they're back you'll hear from them
nice
accept me andy jassy , give me sde2

and 100k sign on
pls
and 500k TC
and a 911 gt3 rs
if possible
Warehouse and depression is best I can do
Hey, do we think we can still apply to new grad roles? Like for Microsoft?
Would you guys accept a SWE job that pays minimum wage? 😂
NGMI 😭

U survive for a yr and hop jobs with experience
just marry a greencard holder
i thought so
but idk
You working at a warehouse?
I am working mCdonalds 
Are u serious?
Yep
what role in McDonald’s?
Does not contain the word, software or developer
That's the only thing I am telling you lol
Manager?
Just do doordash or uber, still decent money
TC does not exceed 40k 
or a server job
I hate driving
I work at dominos as a delivery driver making on average $25 an hour
A bag is a bag
I used to deliver dominos, the shifts would fly by
Free food is also a fairly substantial perk

:pepepizza:
it's pizza though, that gets tired fast
theres not even any nutrition lmao
eh it was pretty good, when youre broke and hungry youll eat pizza every fuckin day
ok
Bruh pizza is a nutritionally complete food if you make it right 😭
i was a big fan of the pacific veggie dominos had, had feta cheese, ton of veggies
just box the customers
Might as well, better relief than getting a solution right on leetcode
retail makes me hate americans i will never work it again after my short stint in high school
It’s the worst honestly, but bills are bills

Till I get a good full time
Where’d you work tho ?
at a musuem gift shop
Paused atm, I’m starting from next month. Need to grind out my last two courses to graduate
Good luck with that man! When are you graduating? 2024 ?
ya may 24

Crazy that they're paying linkedin more money to promote the job than the actual employee 💀
wild times we live in
is you're reddit account oklol?
#Nedreich
#GTASanAndreas
#GTA
Why gta look like Roblox
dont look at my post history 💀💀
thats the first thing i did

omw to 2026
need my prof to take me
Oh that’s who I am competing with
We shouldn’t be wasting time gaming
Georgia tech?
ok
take me in for phd
dont make me delete my cringe comments 💀
Good luck
Anybody here get Microsoft OA yet?
No they should not

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did you graduate darkrai?
Yes, the course I was gonna fail, I got an A in that so I’m safe 
What have you been up to in the meantime?
i just graduated 2 days ago, took 1 day break now doing LC
I’ll probably do the same, my official last day is on Tuesday
gg
Might work on a project or something to kill time for now
is anyones tiktok application still in resume screening
guys its acutaly over
this field is OVERSATURATED
why is toddler letccoding 💀
Is a good thing
Will stop new folks from coming in
2.73 s rubik cube solve by 9 year old
but can he reverse a linkedlist in 2.73s?
Bros a codeforces 1800
you forgot the dot between 8 and 0
i feel sad for him
you are spending your childhood LC'ing
I mean, what if they enjoy it
Just because you don’t
The cope in this video is wild https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLk-oKBUju4
I briefly worked at AWS as a junior SWE, and this was my experience. However, I can only speak about MY experience, and definitely do not want to invalidate others' experiences, as there are definitely some toxic teams out there.
Bro started LC this May 💀
Business major
still won't go to amazon

Amazon was good
Amazing work life balance for me
But no return offer 
cuz you gotta start young if you wanna get in CS in...2045? Oh man i don't even want to know how bad competition is in 2045 lol
there will be world war 3 in 2045
there is no leetcode
sooner than that for sure lol
my money is on 2026
gpt and chill 🔥
my prediction is climate chagne worsens and because of that world war 3 starts
He dropped another banger
gpt and chjll 🔥
Bro changed his nick for this server
my prediction is trump wins, we get a civil war because he;s basically Adolf 2.0, china and russia take over europe while they try to help us fight our civil war, then we get WW3
where is the bunnies in this scenario?
ded
u guys had him and theres no civil war
americans when fat orange man asks to vote for them:
🤡
that aint gonna hapen
yeah but that's because we didn't know how bad he was
ya most americans cant even make it to walmart without passing out from exhaustion
then they buy their sugar-infused foods
even tomato sauce has sugar 😭
and beans!!!
they add sugar to canned beans!!!
like bruh what
ok tomato sauce needs sugar because it is too acidic
nooooo
i like acidic tomato sauce
you guys think big tech and big pharma ruined ur life, but big food got u all to become complacment chinchilas to never start a civil war
if u think america is bad, look at mexico. They drink sugar coke for water, and they eat high calory food and everyone their looks like an inflated aired up human and can barely fight back against the endless gangs that take all their wealth
@rain patio are you from Georgia tech?
Can interns get pipped?
bro changed his name , before this it was something desai
they just don't get a return offer
Then why mention pip in video
@fallen fox 

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lmao isn't the onion all satire
waz

welcome to the club


PhD?

Not gonna make it
Yeah this channel about to be archived soon
Hello my archived friends
Yes but I'm still a 2023 grad 🫡

Damn I feel like we archived 2022 just yesterday, and now it’s 2023
Tomorrow it will be 2024 
Then 2030

You guys think this is enough?
50 feet might be a bit to long
u got do some math
look for good spot to tie up first
25 feet ?
then estimate the height
The Archive is coming
Is this material sustainable?
I see they have good reviews
Yeah but not a corpse with a non-decomposable rope

just cuz you're roping doesn't mean u can't splurge
get a softer material
Softer less pain ?
Damn I applied at 10 am and they rejected at 12:30 pm
why are you guys obssesed with rope when there's other painless ways
stop it with the anime spoilers
first it was @rain patio spoilign AoT
now its u??

@slate bobcat back me up lil bro
idk either i just want to have beef with you

jpmc been done for a while
There's no next szn for us
Yeah we're gonna be too busy fighting in the next american civil war in late 2024 or early 2025


@jagged ravine
in this market you need sigma hire

jokes aside , no one can say
if someone gets all strong hire , then you are out ig
this is wild

nah lots of companies dont care, if the market improves and the 2023 grads continue to improve their skills and resume(freelance/open souce etc) they can get hired.
Is that his guess or interviewers actually gave him feedback?
where is my warehouse and depression jassy

hc filled, wait for next season 
No ifs and buts at the moment
Facts is what matters
You shouldnt expect any replies or interviews until the new year
no point in stressing
facts are people are getting hired every day
enjoy ur winter break
this tbh
I have an interview tomorow, and I'm stressing cause I'm gonna fail 99% likely and its high paying lol

good luck brother
True, but specifically for NG roles 2023 grads are out of contention
What’s the TC?
there arent many NG roles anyways
Is it an internship? That’s intern salary
its a mid level role lol
Oh damn
They’re underpaying you
they are able to underpay in this market
55$/hr is intern salary bro
but am broke and jobless so I'll take anything over 30/hr
🥲
Okay this is fair
and job hop after a few months if I get a better offer
companies don't usually count internship in YOE 
true, I got lucky and got a fulltime role during peak hiring
Wyoming?
no inyerview needed besides a short chat with the CTO after a referral lol
@modest rampart
NGMI NGMI NGMI
Did you break up yet?
what happens to us if this channel gets deleted
Is that why the breakdown
Ouch
apparently its not confirmed yet. seems to be leading towards it tho
Bruh wut, this is the same thing that happened with me
Ayy congrats
Uw madison?
They way you say it, almost feels like a recruiter reply
And i used to live in wisconsin
yea and it paid $80 an hour lmao
gf keeps on making excuses and never takes responsibility
I was working from Thailand making 80/hr at a chill job, now I am broke and unemployed in cold wisconsin lmao
so your doing better than me haha
Where is the gf from? Ethnicity?
where in wisco
Focus on LC
Madison
Nice, I study there too
now in toronto canada lol
why lol
I study at a shit online school, grew up in Madison
Yeah very pretty city
I often spend less than 4 hours a week on my CS classes combines lol
Curiosity
i dont think my relationship is salvageable
any 23 graduate who is unemployed and still looking for jobs ?
@tardy geode
bro tagging me as if i am the only 23 grad unemployed

No no, first person to come in mind
I’m sure there are others
Hope WAGMI
dm
Are you international
chil chill
YGMI
IM NGMI
What’s Y
You’re
yahkuna
NGMI NGMI
Happy to see less people on here sad about not getting an interview. I think this means majority were able to find employment, I hope ☺️👏 yay
not me 😦
You miss the rope gifs this morning 
nah i bet a few of us roped
Is there any free ats available ?

Had less time to doom since I had to pick up a minimum wage job
Yeah are there any ats sites available?
I don't think resume worded is exactly ats
roped = jump roping
NGMI means Nurturing Growth, Maximizing Impact 
Bing chilling


hi
hi
hi
hello
hello thomas
choo choo mf
thomas need no rail tracks
bro be gliding

@fallen fox someone from conduent called me and asked for my ssn
💀💀💀
Did you give it
yeah
Why not, wasn’t it asked by a reputed company
yeah conduent is what Sam Altman founded before Open AI
how do u even have an ssn
you think only citizens get SSN ?
anyone got meta hr reachout lately?
first of all stop showing the finger
this
This is the god I am worshiping
oh well , fair enough
someone yesterday posted about them getting feedback from meta after a final
Who is Sam Altman
@jolly leaf
also @bold ether you were asking for yourself , now i see you edited it as "asking for a friend" 
Lesser known cousin of Sam Bankman Freid
Probably going to go to prison after the news gets out that ChatGPT is just a bunch of kids in his basement who answer questions and stuff
hahaha
does that mean writing prompts is akin to babysitting? wheres my $20 bucks an hour?
hey guys. I pushed my meta oa to two weeks later, will this have a negative impact on me?
It is holiday break right
Who is this bankman
Some guy who founded a cryptocurrency exchange business called FTX. A ton of people invested in his company because they thought he was making people tons of money and they wanted to join in in the fun. I think he lied about his financial info and also hid a bunch of crypto in some kind of offshore account that no one can find. He's definitely going to jail for decades or maybe even the rest of his life...but if he gets out he's gonna have a ton of money he can use to disappear
Funny how you can straight up murder someone and get 5 yeara of jail, but the guy who made rich people lose tons of money is probably never getting out of prison
he basically definition of fake it till you make it
how realistic is first job 110k remote (unicorn) -> FAANG pipeline? i believe i have the lc skills but really just lacking experience to land interviews since i didnt give much attention to internships during college. im thinking of taking this offer but afraid a "low paying" first job will make getting a high paying second job harder
thats why i put quotes. im speaking in relative terms
im living in nyc w my parents rn so i dont worry about hcol that much but 110k in nyc for swe is considered low
U are bugging
remote + 110K offer and you got it lacking internship experience sound like my type of dream job
i mean tax it nyc is on higher end...,but ur living with ur parents
so...
dosent really matter
- no office transportation costs
right but objectively speaking, my goal is way higher TC. i am afraid of the consequences of job hopping in whats potentially a few months time if i happen to land a job in the coming months (as hiring is going to be active again).
Even if it’s not a crazy cost
its a bad look on taking a job and hopping a few months later, but is it really as bad as people make it seem? or if my goal is higher tc, would u guys even consider taking the risker route of not taking the offer for this goal
wouldnt it show up in background checks as im paying taxes
I have a feeling: a lot of big companies that had hiring freeze will reopen new grad hiring
really?
so i could just continue applying without updating my resume of this new job when i start and the company im applying to wont find out
o shit
^
u might burn a bridge
to company u just hopped off on
but who cares
i wouldnt care about that
my biggest concern was just getting an interview and the company deciding to cancel it bc they found out im a job hopper
No one would say that in this market
the only thing u should be concern about is that are u actually getting experience you want from the job and helping grow the career u want
Countless experienced people got laid off bc company administration sucks
This
just wondering what kinda interview process did u go through and how much prep did u do? how do people even find these jobs right out of uni
i found it on linkedin. it wasnt in the github repo. interview process was 1 hour (30 min behavioral + 30 min tech) followed by 3 hour final (four 45 minute rounds)
i have 250lc
what questions did they go through? just leetcode stuff you knew? guess that's reasonable ive been through interview loops like that i just suck and get rejected 
the tech was typical leetcode. i did have a 45 min system design round which i prepped through one of my brothers friends who works at faang
glassdoor shared that everyone was asked to design venmo specifically, so i just focused on that and that was what i got
well
that's great stuff
my interview i knew the leetcode question they would ask off glassdoor but i overcomplicated the shit out of it because i thought they were Java only but they didnt care and i tried to cram learn java in 3 days and wasted my time
also the system design wiped me because i have no clue about that
i only got like 2 interviews off companies posted in the github repo, with most of my interviews being jobs i find on linkedin. since i dont have much internship experience, im guessing linkedin jobs are prob a better bet for me
ya. im a may 24 grad so guess ill just keep that in mind while i job search and try and better prep off glassdoor next time i land an interview somewhere
Jobs january incoming

😭
wow
@polar grail been real quiet since this dropped
Real question. Are august 2023 grads cooked
hmm
In terms of job searching
im may 2023 grad so not jover ig
why would they be it havent even been 1 year
Idk bro my experience has been weird to say the least
Some consider me too old, others not. Very random
too old? how old are you
Too old as in my grad year is considered class of 2023 but it doesn’t feel that way
i dont see how 6 months post grad would be old
That’s what I’m sayin
they usually give you one year
Maybe I’m overthinking idk
probably misallocating why you got rejected
unless they specifically asked you "why dont u have a job yet"
I graduated in may with 0 swe internships, and I got a swe offer (which I accepted) 5 months after graduation.
W
I just never gave up
Yea maybe they just said this kid ass fr
personally i want to job search harder once i graduate. idk how people balance school + job search + leetcode
i guess they job search over the summer break i just never have that
Fr bruh. It’s so much easier after grad
I have an offer but it’s so far from home and idk anyone in the state
I am remote
W
i am thinking of job searching far from my state tho
my state of missouri sort of sucks. there are jobs sometimes but its always "low pay" and they are rare to begin with
Go for it
was it easier landing a random job when u started searching nation wide
I agree
I was searching nation wide, ended up not needing to move at all.
Still plan to move at some point after getting some experience. My area is terrible for tech.
Just realized I read this wrong. I’m on no sleep. It’s easier nationwide
I just want to get out of this place so bad but part of me feels like I’m rushing it
na you should get used to moving to new places. it is how u grow your career the fastest
End goal for me is probably a tech hub like nyc or bay area or seattle.
same
living in these low income states just isn't worth it
I am going to stay in my current area because the cost of living is dirt cheap and I am making six figures while remote, but once I get some years of experience, for sure going to try to see if I can move. I live in a state (NY) with a tech hub (nyc), but I live no where near it, so the tech jobs here are terrible.
move to austin , irving , dallas ... these are becoming tech hubs
they live in a big mansion and work remote for big tech making soo much compared to avg income here
austin and dallas are the same place lmao
Not moving to Texas.
also texas is just meh i lived there once i just dont think it's it.
its cheap apart from the rent ig
and you can fly to either of the coast any time
i mean flights are cheap since its in the middle
ya texas is such a mix. You got strong mexican american influence, lots of very conservative people, huge sprawling concrete urban areas, and just idk. lots of stuff that doesnt make it really appealing
My issues are more "politicial".
i c
hes a tran
people live in dallas and travel to austin for work coz austin becoming expensive
oh i see
Boston is nice but then boston rent is through the roof
shit apartments and high rents
Yea
i dont mind rent while im single and young, u can always find a room mate or somewhere small to stay
not that ive ever tried it but
my friend stays in Kansas city , pays like 900 for a studio
i pay 1600/mo right now for a 3 bedroom house with a garage, basement, and back/front yard in KC split between 3 people so about 800 for me
Rent is less than 1k here

kansas city is a great place but i cant land a fking job at the local companies
my internship here ended with me banned from the company lol
and theres only so many software companies in this city, you can easily count them probably under 20
Did you grad
how tf do you get a banned from a company
yeah
i just mean i got rejected for return offer with a poor review from my manager
they would obviously never want to see my application there again
what did u major in again like data science?
bioinformatics
but i would be doing a phd in machine learning
benchling hit u up yet
bruh what how do u even find these weird ass degrees
its literally the oldest type of degre
wtf u on about
what is wrong with "computer science" like normal person
oh
bioinformatics is cool u trippin
its becaue i did bachelors in biomedical science, so bioinformatics made sense to me
its literally data science in bio
why dont u land a bio informatics job then
oh u went that route
no
why didnt u just apply to med school wtf
fk that
u could have been doctor making 300k-500k first year
doing a phd so i can be an applied scientist
its so hard to get into med school nowadays
phd is the only smart move
also fk that

i went comp eng cause i just didnt want to learn about assays for the 30th time
so u get a useless degree instead of just getting a computer science degree u can get a job with?
then why doesnt he get a job with the useful bioinformatics degree
idk theres a ton of reasons
job market sucks, also if i can get into a phd in ML
then i'd do it
its so hard to get accepted nowadays
after phd in ML cant u work at nvidia
u can work everywhere
Ong?
i was in bioinformatics/neurotech (not major, just career path) and it's a tough road to go
@autumn iris why dont u apply here with bio informatics
I feel like the bio side is easier to pick up than the informatics side tho
U will prob be okay
working is bad

also it really depends on ur situation
do they pay u well for research?
ya ive heard that from every bio major
65k after debt is so bad
I was talking with our admissions and they took in way too many people
u could of been a truck driver making 100k out of training












