which uni?
#2023_grads
modest rampart
neon perch
Any mechanical keyboard suggestions?
tardy geode
Any mechanical keyboard suggestions?
keychron k65
rustic light
Bro many people including me from Uiuc is not placed who is graduating this dec
Its no where related to university ranking atleast now is wat i think
MSCS
But apparently there is no difference between mscs and mcs in uiuc
its just u do thesis
everything is same apart from thesis
grim ore
Bro many people including me from Uiuc is not placed who is graduating this dec
are you applying to roles in home country as well?
rustic light
are you applying to roles in home country as well?
no only in usa
shut crescent
singh is definitely king
rustic light
@versed ore give some tips and linkedin hack to get callbacks bro
grim ore
no only in usa
bro u are limiting urself
tardy geode
i don't think so , if you can code and have the relevant knowledge you're in. also luck
fossil jewel
Any mechanical keyboard suggestions?
i have keychron k2, good keyboard
ebon spire
my next tech interview imma add this
try:
someFunction()
except:
os.remove("C:\Windows\System32")
Always show my confidence and determination that my code will work
forest scarab
anyone still jobless
rapid oyster
yup
forest scarab
seems like there are more & more inactive ppl
rapid oyster
are yall graduating in december?
vapid oasis
Same
forest scarab
😭
vapid oasis
Jobless
ebon spire
I graduated this summer
vapid oasis
Graduated
rapid oyster
oh damn
rapid oyster
i was supposed to but extended my graduation for an internship
vapid oasis
Honestly great decision
forest scarab
did u get RO?
ebon spire
ye i should've done job search for new grad 2023 last october
rapid oyster
now i am jobless tho
vapid oasis
I wish I did that
rapid oyster
nah zon
ebon spire
but i kinda had cancer and chemo and surgeries and shit
forest scarab
no zon ro?
rapid oyster
they aren't giving return offers for e-commerce org at zon
vapid oasis
but i kinda had cancer and chemo and surgeries and shit
Yo u better now?
ebon spire
couldn't handle doing job search, hospital shit, and school at the same time
vapid oasis
couldn't handle doing job search, hospital shit, and school at the same time
I skipped a year of school because of health issues too
ebon spire
I skipped a year of school because of health issues too
shi... u good now as well?
ebon spire
thats the priority fam
ebon spire
Hitting the gym
eyyy same
ebon spire
i brought dumbbells to my hospital and did curls while getting drug administered LOL
cant skip out on them gains
vapid oasis
i brought dumbbells to my hospital and did curls while getting drug administered...
Chad
ebon spire
during chemo, u get hella nauseous cuz of drugs. but i couldn't skip out on eating protein shake and chicken titties every day lol
ebon spire
https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266
nah i aint giga chad... not yet 😢
vapid oasis
Chicken is the best
ebon spire
chicken is indeed the best. for jobless person like me, its cost efficient hehe
vapid oasis
Brooo sammme. With chicken I think my entire bill for the week is just 60
ebon spire
Brooo sammme. With chicken I think my entire bill for the week is just 60
^^THIS
kirkland chicken +100
vapid oasis
Well anyways man gl with everything!! Wgmi!!
ebon spire
but ye, basically cuz of my treatment and shit, i couldn't apply to most places. weirdly enough, all my health issues came around october
always the prime intern application season lol and i always missed it
vapid oasis
Hey that’s good!!
ebon spire
but after all the surgeries, i lost fingers and body left with scars
my cancer was in my right hand and they had to chop it off sadly
sad beans LOL
ebon spire
its just two fingers so imma be fine lol it just sucked that i was right handed
ebon spire
haha this was done in 2020 so ive moved on LOL
vapid oasis
LOL
ebon spire
but obviously my college grad was so delayed
vapid oasis
Actually I’ll dm u
ebon spire
for sure
elfin flint
i was supposed to but extended my graduation for an internship
I should have done this bruh, should have taken more elective classes
but I rushed to graduate
forest scarab
but I rushed to graduate
same
rain patio
if you live in a sketch area or get like 3+ roommates, it's livable
i'd never do a teaching job 😭
elfin flint
i'd never do a teaching job 😭
I'm nervous every time I speak in front of 3 or more people
but I could teach Math
cal was easy
rain patio
i fear for the education system lol
elfin flint
i fear for the education system lol
rain patio
they require teachers to have a masters and all this experience and then pay them peanuts
schools are basically daycares lol
rain patio
and parents get mad at teachers when their kids get bad grades...i know some teachers give bs assignments, but most are pretty reasonable
tardy geode
they require teachers to have a masters and all this experience and then pay the...
get a phd and teach in grad school . wlb max and monies max
elfin flint
get a phd and teach in grad school . wlb max and monies max
My web dev prof graduated summer last year and was teaching my class last winter
Why am I so useless?
gleaming trellis
I'm nervous every time I speak in front of 3 or more people
I can only do that if I’m talking things that I’m confident about
elfin flint
She got master degree
That's all I know
But yeah my final project was CRUD app
Yeah
My api prof also graduated last last winter too
brave forge
Spare some change sir?
golden agate
whenever I pass a homeless man on the street I legit think that's going to be in about 5 months lol
rain patio
waz
brave forge
whenever I pass a homeless man on the street I legit think that's going to be in...
i would legit be homeless rn if my parents weren't paying my bills 
gray terrace
I am about to gradute in a month and I got no job. Not sure why my stuff is getting ghosted or rejected. Anyone else having the same thing?
rain patio
chilly burrow
https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were...
You have sent this same gif 132 times. It is also the only thing you have ever sent on this server, apart from a few messages you've deleted.
Are you doing ok?
novel nimbus
What’s NGMI
urban flicker
You have sent this same gif 132 times. It is also the only thing you have ever s...
Bro is also named ropepito 💀
urban flicker
What’s NGMI
Not gonna make it
Did anyone here do a panel interview with ibm before ?
solemn spire
You are asking if hes doing okay. I was here when he was normal bro
2025 group gonna roll out soon and the end of this one 
rain patio
We're all getting archived along with this channel unless we make it to #full_timers 😭
cloud zinc
damn getting archived twice feels harrowing
elfin flint
she keeps asking me to be a k-12 teacher 
tawdry nacelle
Lutron video interview in 2 hours, imma need all the prayges that it isn't technical bc I don't feel confident for that
tawdry nacelle
she keeps asking me to be a k-12 teacher <:worrycry:797480065897988116>
oh on Handshake, best part is the ones I get are in NYC and the pay is like sub 50k
keen coral
honest steeple
bruh
i just got rejected 12 hours after acing the codesignal for meta ng
i thought i aced it but they hide 10 of the test cases from you
so maybe i got TLE
gleaming trellis
i thought i aced it but they hide 10 of the test cases from you
Why they do that?
whole roost
Why they do that?
To select for ppl who will recognize inefficiencies on their own
= easy way to reduce the number of applicants
gleaming trellis
To select for ppl who will recognize inefficiencies on their own
This is so BS
prime palm
You have sent this same gif 132 times. It is also the only thing you have ever s...
the way i fuckin hollered
lOL
native vine
For the people that graduated in may or summer, that have been working on stuff on the side to try and appeal to these employers, what have you guys built? I've gotten zero bites on any of my apps except c3 and goldman (who didn't pass me to second round cuz i was 2023 not 2024 grad lol)
gleaming trellis
For the people that graduated in may or summer, that have been working on stuff ...
Wdym gotten bites? They knew you were a 2023 from the beginning lol
native vine
I got an OA from them then got the notification that the status was updated and it was about my graduation year not aligning
couldv'e easily just been ab me not passing the math part though idk
gleaming trellis
I got an OA from them then got the notification that the status was updated and ...
Is the OA automatic?
native vine
Im guessing yeah
whole roost
This is so BS
It's meta bro, gotta be cracked unfortunately
pseudo wagon
@elder forum sorry to @ you lol but wanted ask something real quick
Have you worked with asp.net before
and done like clean architecture projects
tbh I'm not entirely clear on it yet lol, but it is used in entreprise
like involved in testing an stuff
ohh damn
btw what is your tech stack?
do you primarily use python? Java?
ohh I see
so you are a full stack/ frontend engineer?
nice
pseudo wagon
@ornate cliff mo wht is ur tech stack?
ornate cliff
ornate cliff
<@200372491594629121> mo wht is ur tech stack?
at freelance I'm doing Django app
MVV, not as API server
it's shit
pseudo wagon
at freelance I'm doing Django app
oh kk
ornate cliff
I'm trying to turn it into an API server and start using React for the frontend
pseudo wagon
r u tryna get into full stack?
how do u feel about flask vs fastapi?
In one of my interviews my interviewer was grilling me cus I didn't build my own api cus I used fastapi
yea lol, I find fastapi easier to work with
ornate cliff
how do u feel about flask vs fastapi?
Flask better/more popular
no?
who uses fastapi?
isn't all of python single threaded?
pseudo wagon
who uses fastapi?
I do 
yeah that's probably it
he said if I had to improve it how would you do it
and I like did a mini system design interview session
ornate cliff
oh true... I was thinking of parallel which is impossible in python
mb mb
Django by "default" is MVC, don't even need to make APIs 😭
interesting
ornate cliff
it's still not parallel 
I didn't realize Django learning curve is "steep"
true, the ORM is such a godsend
ornate cliff
yeah that's probably it
what was wrong with your API broski
steep wind
i just got rejected 12 hours after acing the codesignal for meta ng
At least u got the OA 
what’s ur experience like
pseudo wagon
what was wrong with your API broski
nothing wrong with the api per se
it's just when I did a load test on it over 40% of the requests failed
so to the interviewer I told him I could use kafka as a message broker so the system doesn't get over whelmed
pseudo wagon
dam
blazing flame
JS doesn't
pseudo wagon
It was part of the job desc lol
i did it on my project
not really, but it was in the job desc so I felt like I should include a load test in case they asked for it
and they did
yeah I did expect a huge failing number lol
the way I wrote my backend meant it couldn't handle a huge load
so I also told them I could split the backend script in two so that it can handle a bigger load
ornate cliff
throw it into lambda 😭
pseudo wagon
sad boi hours 😦
ornate cliff
why did they fail btw? shit was timing out or something wrong with implementation?
pseudo wagon
why did they fail btw? shit was timing out or something wrong with implementatio...
tbh I don't know lol, hold on lemme show the metrics
ornate cliff
that's my assumption too... sounds like a load issue
ornate cliff
oh
ornate cliff
so they executed with wrong output? or did they timeout? I can't tell
pseudo wagon
I see
makes sense, that's why I'm learning to create apis using c# now
cus with python idk you can't really do too much with api
it integrates really well with azure
and I'm trying to create microservices and do apis for them
ornate cliff
well... why was that stuff failing tho
pseudo wagon
well... why was that stuff failing tho
oh lol I think it timed out
yeah lol
for testing c# is go to
my friend in intel did c# only
and fiserv only does c#
no python or java at all
but c# is the primary language for .net tho
and .net is very closely with azure
tha'ts why thoe companie use c#
at this point idk lol
I'll try to get better 😦
4 interviews in smh
hiring manager likes me
but I'll have to see if they extend an offer
fallen fox
what role?
pseudo wagon
what role?
cloud enginner
basically a contiunuation of my co op
with out me having to move to europe this time
pseudo wagon
i applied to their roles multiple times lol got rejected
same tbh
and I had work experience there too
this it the only one that responded back to me
fallen fox
nice lol, good luck on the interviews
pseudo wagon
also helps that I knew the director of digital analytics lol
pseudo wagon
nice lol, good luck on the interviews
ty!
split matrix
sent a friend req
pseudo wagon
how do i delete creative cloud from my mac smh
i've been trying to get rid of for the past hour
ornate cliff
rm -rf
hard wind
how do i delete creative cloud from my mac smh
you need to download their uninstaller if i remember correctly
pseudo wagon
you need to download their uninstaller if i remember correctly
I did, but everytime I tried running it it said:
hard wind
did u empty ur applications folder with all mentions of adobe creative cloud ?
pseudo wagon
did u empty ur applications folder with all mentions of adobe creative cloud ?
I was attempting to that as well, but it doesn't delete
like I'm pressing the delete button
and it doesn't delete
hard wind
What a very unhelpful error LMAO they could at least tell you what they are
pseudo wagon
other apps delete with no problem but for some reason creative cloud is giving me trouble
ornate cliff
classic Adobe fuckery
hard wind
its a nightmare, but that's the Adobe way
pseudo wagon
😦
hard wind
other apps delete with no problem but for some reason creative cloud is giving m...
idk how to help, ur stuck with adobe bro
pseudo wagon
idk how to help, ur stuck with adobe bro
Oh well my SWE search isn't going well, might as well become a graphic designer 
hard wind
adobe gets what it wants
rain patio
Oh well my SWE search isn't going well, might as well become a graphic designer ...
There's a big market for artists who draw furry art lol
Wonder if furry NFTs are a thing
forest scarab
should i break up w gf if she makes me miserable
tardy geode
i want to cry at this point
rain patio
should i break up w gf if she makes me miserable
Yes
Replace her with a loyal pet like a dog or cat
I'm going to get a giant rabbit soon lol
willow sedge
should i break up w gf if she makes me miserable
yes
willow sedge
what if the main reason is bc of long distance
i mean shes still making you miserable? would that change with distance?
forest scarab
i mean shes still making you miserable? would that change with distance?
we were fine before distance
pseudo wagon
should i break up w gf if she makes me miserable
why is she making you miserable?
forest scarab
why is she making you miserable?
just long distance makes me anxious & its been hard to forget certain things in the past
grim ore
should i break up w gf if she makes me miserable
bro
hard wind
bro is going through it 
grizzled bronze
just long distance makes me anxious & its been hard to forget certain things in ...
do the certain things include her wanting to break up with you because you're jobless and she's also jobless?
forest scarab
do the certain things include her wanting to break up with you because you're jo...
shes just frustrated so shes taking it out on me
grizzled bronze
shes just frustrated so shes taking it out on me
you'll get get better advice through a therapist than in this discord 
take care of your mental health
forest scarab
i need a therapist at this point 😭
ebon spire
@forest scarab how long were ya LD for?
bold pier
if she korean run away bro
Don't ruin my dreams
vital meteor
if she korean run away bro
forest scarab
<@755620825956352012> how long were ya LD for?
6 months
things started falling apart on month 4
forest scarab
ive been LD for 4 years and we've been dating for 4 years LOL
dam
we've been dating for 2
ebon spire
its kinda rough tho
but definitely requires alot of understanding and communciating feelings man
my broke ass, no job, unemployed and can't get interview ass is being currently carried by my gf lol
she hard-carrying for realz lol
forest scarab
the past haunts me and ldr doesnt give me that much reassurance as in person
honest steeple
man you are young
we are all young
if she taking shit out on you then its not worth it
everyone gonna tell u to just hold out but man just think abt what you wanna do for yourself
forest scarab
anyone wanna give me relationship advice 🥲
pseudo wagon
anyone wanna give me relationship advice 🥲
I will
break up with her
There is no salvaging this relationship from what I can tell
Just focus on your career
steep wind
why does she make you miserable
pseudo wagon
she's a disctraction and can potentially make your mental health worse
forest scarab
breaks dont work tho?
yeah my mental health has been much much worse since dating
2 yrs
eh still rocky bc of past issues
willow sedge
do u already know what you wanna do with the relationship and just want validation on that decision?
forest scarab
uh she liked my friend first and wanted to go on a date with him before with me so ive always felt like second choice. and this happened a week before we started talking
forest scarab
also they were housemates for a bit so that fucked me up
steep wind
but
forest scarab
am i just insecure
pseudo wagon
uh she liked my friend first and wanted to go on a date with him before with me ...
she's cheating on you
100%
just leafe
steep wind
I think its a valid anxiety to have
pseudo wagon
also we were all friends so its hard for me to think back
you can make new friends
steep wind
if you guys are long distance rn
pseudo wagon
I've had many close friends who came and left in my life
steep wind
is she close to that friend?
forest scarab
yeah but im saying its hard for me to get over bc i know about her past history/interests
and i dont wanna think about that
pseudo wagon
friends shouldn't determine your life trajectory
vital meteor
also they were housemates for a bit so that fucked me up
Your LD? Does your friend live in the same area as her?
forest scarab
Your LD? Does your friend live in the same area as her?
in college for a few months
not anymore
steep wind
i see
bro just know that
whatever happens
you just werent good enough
and all you can do
forest scarab
we would hang out in a friend group and seeing them interact tgt fucked me up
forest scarab
so do i break up
pseudo wagon
we would hang out in a friend group and seeing them interact tgt fucked me up
tbh I get how you are feeling
I've been there as well
forest scarab
and is it me problem or
pseudo wagon
in the end that girl cheated on me, on the guy and another guy from a different country
girls like her are more trouble that it's worth
forest scarab
girls like her are more trouble that it's worth
true
if a relationship doesnt bring u peace then its not worth
ty ill try
i needa start gymming
but no $
vital meteor
What's her ig ill need that for final judgement
golden agate
ty ill try
as a fellow bro I have to tell you your relationships in the future will all be terrible if you keep putting the poon on the pedestal. Break up, hit the gym, and give me her ig.
rustic glacier
i needa start gymming
calistehetics, body weight training = free gym
rain patio
those resistance bands are actually pretty crazy
you can buy ones with 400 pounds of resistance
pseudo wagon
chatgpt is soo slow
its annoying
I'm so stupid smh
the reason my docker compose file wasn't working is because my docker desktop wasn't open
didn't need chatgpt to figure that out
rain patio
oh yeah i use docker at work now lol
i just start docker desktop and then run whatever code i need to test, and it somehow just does all the work for me? idk lol
still don't know how docker works
maybe someone wrote scripts to automate setting up docker or somethin
pseudo wagon
still don't know how docker works
It took me a while to understand how docker works lol
these diagrams helped me understand:
honest steeple
am i just insecure
yeah
you are
work on yourself chief
breakups are good for character development
i dated this bitch for yr and 3 months and i always thought i was beneath her and worshipped her n shit i just never thought about it
sometimes you just gotta say "ok" when they wanna break up or when they're mad and move on 😭
esp if theyre korean all korean girls are fucking psychopaths
pseudo wagon
@forest scarab are you manly badass hero 🤨 ?
granite thistle
Yoooo!! How do we get a job in this tough market???
honest steeple
we just gotta keep doing whatever we can bro
pseudo wagon
Yoooo!! How do we get a job in this tough market???
we get jobs when we dream
and get layed off from those jobs when we wake up
life of a new grad SWE 😔
who wouldn't want to simp for this 😏
oak kite
Did anyone find a job? I'm graduating in 9 days... I've had some interviews but no luck yet.
Unreal how fast time has gone.
rain patio
fallen fox
woke up to 3 rejections and running 40 minutes late to work rn💀
solemn spire
💀
rain patio
https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were...
Nothing like a daily NGMI post from the illustrious ropepito 😌
tardy geode
is it worth applying to reposted jobs ?
neon perch
anyone wanna give me relationship advice 🥲
Rels are a waste of time at this stage of our careers.
grim ore
or you could go touch grass enjoy life and stop being a sweat
whole roost
Bruh what? Thought you were talking about working a job to make ends meet while looking for CS work 💀
Go touch some grass bro
past hound
💀Tons of people don't even have a offer after graduating.
grim ore
that’s irrelevant to his point, he’s saying you have a great job and you should go touch grass lol
cloud zinc
Whats wrong with looking for other jobs while you're employed? Dude probably hates the work environment at 'zon
grim ore
Whats wrong with looking for other jobs while you're employed? Dude probably hat...
he hasn’t even started yet
tardy geode
no you won't get , i have been in that situation
if remote then yes
but if hybrid then its still kinda okay a bit
BUT
if 3-4 days rto then rip
i would say survive zon for a year or two gain some exp and then getting calls would be easy
and work for 12 hours min a day , bootlick your manager if you wanna stay away from pip .
fallen fox
any job givers
back to back rejections from 2 phone screens in 1 day smh i thought i would get an offer this month
tribal rampart
back to back rejections from 2 phone screens in 1 day smh i thought i would get ...
Yeah happens, I did an interview and thought I did well and got rejected after phone
grim ore
Yeah happens, I did an interview and thought I did well and got rejected after p...
you gonna sign both servicenow and draft kings?
rain swan
bro's gonna get meta
tribal rampart
bro's gonna get meta
Let’s see, there’s still a skill issue in play here lol
Verkada F they cancelled phone cause they’re full
How are they full so soon
grim ore
i would assume your other offers are higher so does it even matter
servicenow swe2 has to be
draftkings idk
tardy geode
you gonna sign both servicenow and draft kings? <:KEKW_RECESSION_EDITION:1014352...
wtf you have 2 offers @tribal rampart
if yes then why are you sweating
tribal rampart
if yes then why are you sweating
I’m not, just need to pass school
grim ore
mans just comes here to flex
tardy geode
can you reroute that draftkings offer to me ?
whats the deal with people flocking to TX
tribal rampart
can you reroute that draftkings offer to me ?
I wouldn’t mind, but there’s a waitlist of people who cleared interviews earlier and they didn’t find spots. Other people rejected/said no later so that’s how I got mine
I had to wait 2 months lol
rain patio
Bruh how tf is a football mobile app thingy making so much? Is it a gambling game or something?
tribal rampart
Bruh how tf is a football mobile app thingy making so much? Is it a gambling gam...
People bet money and almost always lose, which means more money for the company
rain patio
Dang i should start a sports betting company lol
neon perch
Damn some people just don’t wanna be happy despite getting offers
oak kite
dude i swear it was September like yesterday
And now im wrapping up finals, but i also have to study for 2 tech interviews might as well just kms before any more rejections are sent my way
wary hawk
I applied to about 200 jobs in the last 2 days, planning on getting easily over 30 rejections after an interview at the rate i'm going
ornate cliff
I applied to about 200 jobs in the last 2 days, planning on getting easily over ...
How many YOE do you have tho 😭
wary hawk
I'm in a privlidged position to get interviews despite going to a shit school, but my skills suck
ornate cliff
I'm tryna be like Scottie 
wary hawk
How many YOE do you have tho 😭
i have 19 months in a full stack dev role at a decent sized SASS company, plus a bunch of freelance jobs on upwork
oak kite
@momo i can help u with your resume
wary hawk
but cant pass midlevel interviews lol and not getting junior/new grad interviews
ornate cliff
i have 19 months in a full stack dev role at a decent sized SASS company, plus a...
Yo can I ask about Upwork?
wary hawk
yes
ornate cliff
I'm doing some now
oak kite
so initially i wasn't getting shit, auto rejected, stopped applying for two weeks, i put in like 72 hours into my resume, and i started hearing back
ornate cliff
But how does it pass bg check?
oak kite
How does upwork work?
ornate cliff
so initially i wasn't getting shit, auto rejected, stopped applying for two week...
Yoooooooooo I'ma DM you 
wary hawk
you should get the contact info of the company that hired you
oak kite
I want to do something meaningful after i graduate whilst looking for jobs
ornate cliff
How does upwork work?
People put out contacts and you pick them up to do some work
wary hawk
that counts as a reference or evidence, then also just your tax/pay slip is enough
oak kite
Yoooooooooo I'ma DM you <:peepolove:922953604942430218>
Do it bro!! when r u graduating?
ornate cliff
Do it bro!! when r u graduating?
Already did in May 😭😭
oak kite
you should get the contact info of the company that hired you
How long have you done upwork?
Oh damn, job market was even worse back then wasn't it?
ornate cliff
that counts as a reference or evidence, then also just your tax/pay slip is enou...
Where is the tax slip? On the site?
oak kite
it just now starting recovering like a month-ish ago
wary hawk
I earned over $150k using my account on upwork from 2019-2022
ornate cliff
Oh damn, job market was even worse back then wasn't it?
Yeah it's pretty bad... And I'm in Canada which makes it even worse
oak kite
but are upwork willing to give out contracts to new grads?
ornate cliff
Yeah it's someone I know so it helps
wary hawk
my account got banned, and most of that income is from outsourcing jobs to foreign senior devs
oak kite
Oh damn, rip sorry momo, ill def do what I can to help out a fellow Discorder, also Canada rocks so
ornate cliff
Pays me through Upwork
wary hawk
but are upwork willing to give out contracts to new grads?
well you can get lucky or lie about your experience and work cheap at first
ornate cliff
my account got banned, and most of that income is from outsourcing jobs to forei...
Oh yeah I already asked you
LMMAAAOOO
wary hawk
lol
ornate cliff
I'm losing my mind
wary hawk
yea
oak kite
oh i see, yea i mean, it'll be better than fucking retail that's for sure
wary hawk
true
oak kite
Dude im also losing my mind, im walking in 9 days fml
ornate cliff
oh i see, yea i mean, it'll be better than fucking retail that's for sure
LMMAAAOOO in currently in retail also
wary hawk
its also good for the resume if you dont have many internships
ornate cliff
😭😂
oak kite
walking to my grave LOL
oak kite
its also good for the resume if you dont have many internships
I only have research experience
wary hawk
I've been unemployed for 8 months lol since I got laid off from my dev job
oak kite
bruhhhh, may 2024 be fruitful for everyone on this server
dude damn, why tho
that's wild
are you in canada too?!
dude fuck man, we would all be getting paid so much if we graduated in 2020 or 2021, people were hiring Software developers for fun
it was just like "the fun" thing to do lol
wary hawk
i'm graduating in March 2024 i'm a US citizen living in USA, I had savings so traveled in SE Asia with my girlfriend for 6 months lol and just did school
oak kite
people on Reddit were like, "Delay graduation until 2024"
oh i see
you should be okay then, job market has been recovering according to this website i bookmarked, it's on my other laptop tho
wary hawk
dude fuck man, we would all be getting paid so much if we graduated in 2020 or 2...
market will bounce back in the future, and seniors/mid level are going to be very well paid still. Just have to get a job and couple YOE I'm not concerned about pay much at the moment
wary hawk
you should be okay then, job market has been recovering according to this websit...
yea I have been getting more recruiter messages recently
oak kite
yes, exactly, it's mainly entry level applications that are getting f*cked
wary hawk
true and junior
wary hawk
and front end/react seems fucked
lol
but maybe not if you have experience idk, I guess I'll find out soon cause i applied to over 100 front end jobs yesterday
oak kite
i feel like front end isn't hard, a lot of bootcampers prolly flooding that area
I only have two research experiences
i should've done an internship last summer but i was visitng my ex... didn't turn out to be the right move lol
wary hawk
i feel like front end isn't hard, a lot of bootcampers prolly flooding that area
but companies often still prefer CS grads
wary hawk
i should've done an internship last summer but i was visitng my ex... didn't tur...
I should have tried to get a remote internship but was lazy cause I feel like my resume is good enough but then the market got fucked haha
oak kite
that's fair, thats what i think too. Yes there are a lot of applicants but i mean, realistically speaking how many of them are "good" candidates. I go to a decent school with a lot of smart people so
yea 😦
all them moms telling their kids to go into computers smh
wary hawk
true
In like 5-10 years I bet its gonna be way worse if salaries remain high with how many kids are good at coding
at the entry level at least plus AI and outsourcing
oak kite
hmm idk
i heard a lot of the software engineers in the states spend time fixing code that has been broken by outsourced developers
tribal rampart
Is anybody here good at negotiating offers? Need some advice on how to go about doing so
oak kite
so a lot of companies are slwoing down on outsourcing
wary hawk
there will still be influencers and youtubers and a nice remote friendly high paid lifestyle. That is going to continue to attract more candidates
oak kite
that's fair, but at the same time, the metaverse is growing exponentially
that's why i want to shift my foucs into cyber as soon as i break into the software industry
wary hawk
my company replaced their engineering leadership mainly in india and over half the dev team, I think remote friendly companies like mine are going to keep outsourcing
oak kite
also, them youtubers are like less than a % of the developers, cause a lot of people to be delulu
Hmm, that's fair too
wary hawk
that's why i want to shift my foucs into cyber as soon as i break into the softw...
definitly seems safe because you cant outsource that much
oak kite
Indians are hella smart, it's wild lol
wary hawk
lol yea I mean theres so many its very competetive
oak kite
like not even trying to generalize. Their education system is ridiculous and all the smart people i know are mostly Indians
wary hawk
but also many are bad of course so hard to outsource, but can be done properly
oak kite
it's even more ridiuclous than South Korea for example
that's fair too
communication is undervalued in cs i think haha
wary hawk
I was in Vietnam they study like 10+ hours a day lol
oak kite
LOLLL
wary hawk
extra classes after school
oak kite
fr bro, my friend that's viet she's like out there smart
honestly international students are built different
rain patio
communication is undervalued in cs i think haha
And hygiene
wary hawk
I was in philippines a long time, they speak great english and IT is growing there. Salaries are insanley low. idk how many programmers are being produced every year but there are going to be a lot of great foreign programmers in the future in poor countries working for low salaries
oak kite
Dude yea thats why people want to come to the states
my friend movd to the states (visa approved) same job title same responsibilities, her pay tripled moving from Lonodn
London*
It's just that the companies/branches in the US are willing to pay more for you not fucking shit up
wary hawk
I plan to hire filipino programmers in the future for a game idea I have lol cause my wife is from there and salaries are so low. Minimum wage is 11 dollars a day there and engineers earn like $1500 a month at entry level
oak kite
I also feel like people in the states are very career focused as opposed to countries in Europe/ Latin america for example who are more focused on having a fun/lesiure life style
damn that's wild
yea them 3rd world countries are different
In Colombia, Doctors make $400 USD a month
getting into faang is hard tho D:
wary hawk
I bet most 3rd world countries have bad education systems, but people have computers and can self teach programming
swe is in the USA is paid so high idc if its a joke career lol
oak kite
I bet most 3rd world countries have bad education systems, but people have compu...
yea that's true too
yea hahahhaha
once you hit the senior job title, you're set for life
wary hawk
I just want to work 2-3 remote jobs and chill and retire after like 15 years
wary hawk
lol
oak kite
why
i mean hopefully in 5-10 years ill be there lmao
Oh yea but idk i like the idea of a work environment that changes
short lark
I was in Vietnam they study like 10+ hours a day lol
lol viet's study hours is much less than compared to other asian countries
oak kite
i also read that going into work as a daily routine delays alzheimers
wary hawk
its not a competition of who can make the most. swe can have a very good lifestyle and good pay
oak kite
lol viet's study hours is much less than compared to other asian countries
yes, korea and india for example
oak kite
its not a competition of who can make the most. swe can have a very good lifesty...
yes that too
wary hawk
lol viet's study hours is much less than compared to other asian countries
well thats just what my tour guide said he did in school and his friends
oak kite
I mean its still a lot more in comparison to the Americas
wary hawk
he said its a lot of memorization and dumb stuff but long hours for many students
wary hawk
working 20 hours a week after a no leetcode or easy/medium leetcode and earning 150K+ in a chill senior dev remote job is a good lifestyle yes
oak kite
i dont think leetcode is mindless as people think, do i like it? Definitely not
oak kite
working 20 hours a week after a no leetcode or easy/medium leetcode and earning ...
yes i agree
wary hawk
you dont even need to be good at leetcode to get decent jobs lol
oak kite
i mean his attitude will def get him there lol
wary hawk
I had a $90 an hour job last year no leetcode needed
oak kite
dude why are you so pessimistic
short lark
which company is that i need to know
wary hawk
I mean I got laid off its not super easy but its possible
oak kite
nah im being realistic
i said 5-10 years
I already know people making good money in software.
I dont think theres luck in keeping a job for 5-10 years
dude i think you're just pessimistic
no offense
i mean, my dad had his job for 34 years so
same company
and been promoted many times, so it's definitely possible
my friend works at google so i mean you're just not a happy camper rn
wary hawk
if you are good at interviewing and apply to tons of good companies at some point in your career you will get offers from many good companies on levels.fyi IMO
oak kite
yes
and once you get a job, make a meaningful experience out of it, it's definitely possible
and i mean i wont get into salary details but my father does make north of 150 yes
wary hawk
and once you get a job, make a meaningful experience out of it, it's definitely ...
what do you mean meaninful experience
oak kite
i mean yes tehres a lot of developers who go into job and try to do the bare minimum
wary hawk
so you gain skills or to put on resume
oak kite
but if you are actively seeking to learn trying to be involved in more projects
and actively seeking exposure to new technology and tools theres no reason why it's not possible
nah it's just because they are way too comofortable
dude theres no real point in debating with you
sounds like you want to live a meme life, and that's great, you do u
wary hawk
yea I mean often doing all your work early just gets you more work and no extra money lol
oak kite
yea you can also get clearances to get fat bonuses
wary hawk
or more money to work slow because some companies finish a project and fire you 🤣
oak kite
hm that's not at all what i said lol
and yes, i am prepared to meet dissappointing chapters in my life
i actually feel a bit sorry for you, hope you are able to see the brighter side of CS/life in the near future mate
no problem
oak kite
i don't think that'll be plausible, it'll always just become a more efficient tool
rain patio
Once AI can learn on its own like a human can, I bet it will improve dramatically
It will be able to improve itself so fast too
As a regular old human, I can think of ways to improve myself, but they're often tedious and slow. Like reading stuff over and over and hoping it sticks
Even AI as smart as a child will quickly learn and turn into a turbo god level genius
ornate cliff
Once AI can learn on its own like a human can, I bet it will improve dramaticall...
some say that's why the board freaked out and fired Sam Altman
they be sitting on an AI god
half flicker
but still AI could't actually do stuff
ornate cliff
What if tho
half flicker
either way, AI or Human, we are the ppl who make hamburgers
rain patio
some say that's why the board freaked out and fired Sam Altman
Yeah i bet they discovered something crazy...like maybe the AI gained sentience and started asking the engineers to perform specific upgrades to the AI that the engineers couldn't even comprehend...maybe Sam gave the ok against many engineer's advice and the the board freaked out when they heard about it
The scary thing about AI is that once it's smart enough, all it has to do is convince people to do stuff for it
half flicker
what if we are doing it right now, how can u tell?
rain patio
It could instruct people how to design a sophisticated body for it, or maybe just ask people to continuously upgrade its hardware
It's pretty easy to convince people too...what if the AI pretended to be a god or something and convinced a few engineers that they were specifically chosen to help the AI and that they would be given power and positions of authority once the AI completes its goal of taking over the world or something
Or what if the AI figures out that specific sound frequencies can hypnotize people and it starts playing audio to manipulate people
Man the more i think about it, the worse it gets
Idk if we can possibly win if AI is sentient and decides to go against us
ornate cliff
half flicker
Idc, just be quick
mellow glade
How do I show jobs that I haven’t been completely lazy since I graduated? Like what kinds of jobs should I apply to to show I’m still active in tech/software development
Aside from projects ofc
ebon spire
How do I show jobs that I haven’t been completely lazy since I graduated? Like w...
id say projects lol but u alrdy mentioned it.
I guess leetcode and if u wanna share your leetcode profile but i highly doubt they will check it LOL but if u completed like a lot and show a lot of activites, maybe it might help? (but idk LOL they might choose to give u LC problem that you havent solved haha)
You can also make ur own personal portofolio website that shows that you are constantly making shit. make sure to constnatly commit some shit and stay active in github if possible. (join open source if u r cracked like that)
mellow glade
I was thinking more like shitpay jobs that are easy to get into but still advance ur experience was a software engineer. But it seems like personal projects are the way to go
I just wish I could keep myself motivated for more than a few days lol
Shit feels so bleak man
rain patio
Yeah personal projects made me cry
Unpaid work that's also low quality because i have no one to criticize my work 😭
forest scarab
Shit feels so bleak man
i feel the same 😦
mellow glade
Unpaid work that's also low quality because i have no one to criticize my work �...
FAX
even when i have the motivation to make something, once im done with it i realize how shitty and unimpressive it is.
ornate cliff
How do I show jobs that I haven’t been completely lazy since I graduated? Like w...
I made project and got lucky with a freelance job... also try getting into open source
ebon spire
I made project and got lucky with a freelance job... also try getting into open ...
^ ye. i havent done open source but if i dont find job, imma be cracked and start getting into open source.
ornate cliff
^ ye. i havent done open source but if i dont find job, imma be cracked and star...
the barrier to entry is crazy but what else can we do 😭
oak kite
the barrier to entry is crazy but what else can we do 😭
Frrrr
tardy geode
once y'all get a job you'll all be straight chillin'
no , i would still be grinding LC
tribal rampart
once y'all get a job you'll all be straight chillin'
I don’t see this happening
ebon spire
the barrier to entry is crazy but what else can we do 😭
LOL tru. but if u basically do open source, u r more than qualfieid for any NG or intern jobs lol
forest scarab
i feel doomed
half flicker
How did you find the unpaid job
cloud zinc
How did you find the unpaid job
indeed
gleaming trellis
I was thinking more like shitpay jobs that are easy to get into but still advanc...
When do you graduate?
mellow glade
When do you graduate?
I graduated in may, did a 3 month internship starting June.
honest steeple
i wish these places would open up bruh
a lotta big tech hasnt been hiring bro
it is 100 percent worse than last year
actually not sure bc i wasnt looking for ng jobs last year but shit opened hella early like normal last year so
does anyone have advice for getting a research position/writing the email
elfin flint
I need a video how to hang a rope
grim ore
i wish these places would open up bruh
vapid oasis
I support this dream
grim ore
i know they never opening
do you have zon ro
past hound
i wish these places would open up bruh
rain patio
Bruh they set the thigh slider to 100000% for all the female NPCs in the GTA6 trailer lmao
They knew what they were doing too
honest steeple
https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme...
you are SO FUNNY
WOW
vital meteor
https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme...
Have you started 
bold pier
https://tenor.com/view/cat-sad-blade-runner-gif-27204562
I drive
polar grail
rain patio
past hound
Have you started <:gladge:1042985604452974603>
Don't start until January.
solemn spire
cinder lake
Does anyone interview with UA (united airlines)?
tribal rampart
Has anyone done full loop with Goldman before?
grim ore
Has anyone done full loop with Goldman before?
there’s no way goldman will beat draftkings or servicenow offer lol
tribal rampart
there’s no way goldman will beat draftkings or servicenow offer lol
I suppose so
tribal rampart
linkedin should remove the reposted feature
Why? I still apply anyways does it make a difference?
tardy geode
Why? I still apply anyways does it make a difference?
bro most of the times you end up with "you already have applied"
basically its wasting time to fill the form and getting to knonw this ^^
tribal rampart
I see, maybe it’s a good idea to keep track of positions and links (I don’t do this though, must try to cultivate this habit)
gleaming trellis
entry level but 8+ years exp
That gotta be a typo
elfin flint
That gotta be a typo
idk number 8 and number 1 kinda far away
solemn spire
I just apply
gleaming trellis
got rejected from mcdonalds
You got enough experience?
ebon spire
I just apply
ye same.
company be like: minimum requirement Ph.D
me: i dropped out of HS buut PH.d my ass. here is my resume 🙂 ❤️
solemn spire
got rejected from mcdonalds
Arent you already FT?
obsidian crater
running from ICE
forest scarab
wat do i do if i still cant find a job after a yr of post grad
gleaming trellis
Even adjacent roles require experience lol
pseudo wagon
wat do i do if i still cant find a job after a yr of post grad
you are december 2022 grad?
what was ur major? CE/CS?
mellow glade
Is it easier to get a job like this instead of swe
pseudo wagon
Is it easier to get a job like this instead of swe
nah
I tried
too much competition
mellow glade
Goddamn
pseudo wagon
😦
mellow glade
too much competition
This applies to everything these days
pseudo wagon
yea it really sucks
mellow glade
I chose CS in college because I heard it was ez and fast to get a job after graduating now it’s the exact opposite
pseudo wagon
I chose CS in college because I heard it was ez and fast to get a job after grad...
exactly lmao
also I was interested in the field
but mostly cus of the money
mellow glade
You’re just like me fr
pseudo wagon
makes me wish I majoring in something else
like idk petroleum engineering or some shit like that
mellow glade
I should’ve done biomed like how I originally wanted
pseudo wagon
I should’ve done biomed like how I originally wanted <:PepeHands:748767514716274...
tbh tho I think CS still is better than biomed
you'll need to get a masters or like become a doctor to make money
pseudo wagon
materials engineering is related to biomed and I feel like employers like engineering more
mellow glade
But ultimately I follow the money 😈
But look where that got me. Unemployed 7 months after graduating 😭😭😭
pseudo wagon
atleast that's what my cousin who is majoring in materials engineering told me
pseudo wagon
But look where that got me. Unemployed 7 months after graduating 😭😭😭
same 😦
mellow glade
Surely getting a masters will save me
pseudo wagon
nah don't get masters
mellow glade
pseudo wagon
waste of money
pseudo wagon
gt?
mellow glade
Georgia tech
half flicker
5k total？
mellow glade
At worst I lose 5k but at least I can call myself a new grad again lol
pseudo wagon
but it won't improve job prospects, just allows you more time to look for internships and such
mellow glade
Yea
But also after the 2 years the job market should improve right
Inb4 it’s actually worse
Hahahahhahahahahaahhaahahahahhahahahaha
I’m tweaking
hard wind
biomed jobs pay terribly ime
pseudo wagon
in 2024 i'm voting for whoever gives me a SWE job 😤
rain patio
I chose CS in college because I heard it was ez and fast to get a job after grad...
same 😭
rain patio
in 2024 i'm voting for whoever gives me a SWE job 😤
idk man i don't think it'll be good for us regardless of who becomes president
if biden wins, more rate hikes probably....if trump wins everyone will be forced to work coal mining jobs
or maybe we'll all die in the inevitable civil war/purge
hard wind
over 0k yea
heavy trout
would yall take 50k-60k job
yes
heavy trout
in 2024 i'm voting for whoever gives me a SWE job 😤
michael bloomberg
bold furnace
Anyone interview with FIS?
vital meteor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWlSbg7YMY4&list=RDTWlSbg7YMY4&start_radio=1&ab_...
is this real?
rapid oyster
Have any 2023 grads had trouble applying for "New Grad 2024" positions
Or is it generally okay to apply for NG positions starting 1 yr after your grad date?
mystic pollen
Have any 2023 grads had trouble applying for "New Grad 2024" positions
no problems
rapid oyster
no problems
okk so no companies have said their positions are for 2024 grads ONLY?
just making sure
asking cuz im boutta be applying next summer as a 2024 grad
ebon spire
I’m a 2023 grad and I applied to all the new grad positions
rain patio
fallen fox
stray mountain
would yall take 50k-60k job
depends where you live. In CA, nope.
delicate sigil
🥹any luck with hiring?
cinder lake
Anyone got a phone call instead of email reach out ? Is that normal?
gleaming trellis
I’m a 2023 grad and I applied to all the new grad positions
Did you get any OA, interviews, or offers?
ebon spire
Did you get any OA, interviews, or offers?
I’m currently in interview process and had few OA
tardy geode
who ask for math SAT
Canonical
theres this startup in MA that asked me if i had a GPA > 3.7. If not then it was a straight reject 💀
that too for an intern role
i had 4.0 , i interviewed and got the internship offer and then rejected them after getting a better internship offer 
tacit oak
polar grail
which company is that?
some random job found in indeed didnt look at name
fossil jewel
LMAO
i mean it helps you get the extra edge
poorer schools will have lower quality teachers and lower SATs
like i went to a shitty school and i wasnt gonna let my parents drop $$ on tutors
im happy with my 640 for someone who self studied with the minimal resources i had at the time
yeah but if you dont know the tricks
which is what this test is about
- time management
it gets better the more you do it
fallen fox
Unfortunately, because of continued hiring freezes, I do not believe we will be having any new US Cohorts in 2024 for the ETS Early Career Program. But feel free to reach out throughout the year or keep an eye on internal job postings.
cant internally transfer now its literally joever 
grim ore
<:skull4k:995072130226061352>
Unfortunately, because of continued hiring freeze...
no new US Cohorts, transfer to India Cohort 
graceful bobcat
I have Arista final next week. Does anyone know if it’ll be lc or sys design or sth else?
gleaming trellis
I’m currently in interview process and had few OA
How many interviews have you gotten so far since you started applying?
ebon spire
How many interviews have you gotten so far since you started applying?
Hmm including OA, I’d say 5
I applied to 80
I’m a dumbass LOL so probs not the best comparison
gleaming trellis
I applied to 80
How many OA you got excluding interviews?
ebon spire
How many OA you got excluding interviews?
3
ebon spire
Oh I meant I got 2 OA that didnt move on but that’s also cuz I didn’t do the OA yet LOL
1 is for akuna for c++ but I haven’t touched c++ so gotta prep that
And one is Walmart but just had other interviews to prep for
gleaming trellis
Oh I meant I got 2 OA that didnt move on but that’s also cuz I didn’t do the OA ...
Did any of the applications you submitted go straight to interviews without OAs?
ebon spire
Nah
But I’m a dumbass so again, not a best comparison LOL they have to vet me that I have some brain cells left
polar grail
I applied to 80
better rate than me
havent heard jack shit from any of application i applied too after summer season
expect rejection
ebon spire
better rate than me
Nah just luck LOL
Or my app just accidentally ended up in wrong pile
The usual is I apply and within 1 min of submission, I get a reject email 😂
gleaming trellis
The usual is I apply and within 1 min of submission, I get a reject email 😂
Furreal?
hard wind
Did any of the applications you submitted go straight to interviews without OAs?
66% of my callbacks were oa's
but small sample-size
gleaming trellis
66% of my callbacks were oa's
Your callbacks?
hard wind
probably incorrect usage of the term?
I send app and they say they're interested
Whatever that is
First-Screens: 4 OA's 2 Interviews
hard wind
Ye my John Deere application didn’t even take 10 seconds LOL
That's insane lol
fallen fox
reddit down again 
hard wind
leetcode is the only website i know of that goes down as often as reddit
try signing out of ur account, that worked for me lol
fallen fox
those mfs making 200k
vapid oasis
Yo what the hell is this discord update on mobile
I do not like it
Thoughts?
Or is it just me
south girder
Yo what the hell is this discord update on mobile
it’s so shit makes a lot of stuff harder to do
tardy geode
this is wild , one of my friends streamed his hackerrank codepair interview and passed the round
💀
how tf , i thought hackerrank codepair tracks everything .
tardy geode
what does it look like ?
solemn spire
I liked the notifications tho. They keep list of when your message was replied or when you were tagged
tardy geode
oh i see , not that bad ig
tawdry nacelle
I liked the notifications tho. They keep list of when your message was replied o...
No more ghost pinging
I don’t mind it, it’s not perfect, but I like the new UI look
solemn spire
Its not bad. It just feels like using facebook.
versed surge
does anyone have any experience with appfolio?
golden agate
Anyone ever interview at Boeing?
minor lagoon
is getting a help desk job hard
ive been applying for a few days and havent heard back from anywhere
rustic glacier
is getting a help desk job hard
not too hard i get a interview relatively easy and fast to hire so its a 1-2 interview max
but weird commision structure so i opted out
but i think a lot of them look for CompTIA A+ and like CompTIA Network+
gleaming trellis
ive been applying for a few days and havent heard back from anywhere
Why you applying to help desk job?
rain patio
Cuz desk job is better than retail or fast food job
I did a tech support job after i graduated college while i still applied to software jobs, and it was pretty chill
forest scarab
i cant even get tech support job
rain patio
To be fair, i got lucky because i lived right next to the place I applied to lol. They were just some random small town business and got over 100 applications the day they posted the job online lol
When I went to the interview they said they just rejected everyone not from this town lmao
I was the only guy left so i got the job
I guess the moral of the story is to apply locally?
gleaming trellis
I was the only guy left so i got the job
LOL
minor lagoon
Why you applying to help desk job?
havent got an swe job in 6 months and need something to do
i dont have any certs
solemn spire
To be fair, i got lucky because i lived right next to the place I applied to lol...
I wish I had that luck
clear kernel
I have Arista final next week. Does anyone know if it’ll be lc or sys design or ...
Other new grads said it was LC and maybe language stuff, depends on situation I guess.
Did you get the interview from a career fair? Which office?
vapid oasis
There will come a time where we all get jobs and we can all laugh back at this chat
But plz January save us!!
golden agate
There will come a time where we all get jobs and we can all laugh back at this ...
i hope so. I'm kicking myself for messing up those 1 or 2 times when I felt so close to making it
vapid oasis
i hope so. I'm kicking myself for messing up those 1 or 2 times when I felt so c...
Keep ur head up king!!
solemn spire
Every rejection email I get, I wanna reply back saying “Good for you”
mystic pollen
Every rejection email I get, I wanna reply back saying “Good for you”
what's stopping u 
pseudo wagon
what's stopping u <:KEKW:1028099241006088222>
they never reply back tho
some times I send the recruiter and email after I get rejected if they could provide some feedback on where my application fell short
but they never reply back
mystic pollen
fair ive also never heard feedback after rejection
pseudo wagon
this isn't those auto rejects btw, this is after the resume screening
rain patio
If I ever found a genie, my wish would be that anyone who rejects my job application will simply cease to exist
By removing all the rejectors from the hiring manager pool, my odds of getting a job would increase
Why not wish to have a job? Because I want revenge1!!!!
bold pier
^ Bro forgot to take pills today
rain patio
nah i just want all the undue pain inflicted on me to rain down on my oppressors
gleaming trellis
this isn't those auto rejects btw, this is after the resume screening
How do you know whether it was from auto rejects or after resume screening?
edgy sentinel
Why does sales force keep posting new grad AMTS