#2023_grads
loud star
pseudo wagon
do you guys think saying "I'm passionate about insert technology/field " is a red flag?
or should you just talk about what value you can bring to the company, and completely leave out the passion talk
pseudo wagon
Like as an entry level person you don't have too much relevant skills and you'll need to be trained, but idk if recruiter's or hiring managers like me using the word passionate
pseudo wagon
https://tenor.com/view/hang-suizide-desgosto-suicide-rope-gif-15405316
no lie this is the most ominous looking rope I've seen in a while
Also when describing the delays from my manager in one of my internships, I used the word "frustrating" and I saw the recruiter writing something down after saying that
I feel like that deducted points from my application
next time I think I'm gonna use a softer sounding word
pseudo wagon
I think saying discouraging instead of frustrating will be good
I'll try that out in my recruiter call tomorrow
coarse locust
neon grove
GUYS WILL I EVER GET HIRED
pseudo wagon
😦
coarse locust
I dont get why companies ask for 3+ YOE like thats such an odd number
pseudo wagon
why'd I even major in computer engineering
neon grove
YOOOOOO I HAVE 3 years of experience and they ask for 5
pseudo wagon
but then again what would be a better major?
neon grove
but then again what would be a better major?
BIO MAJOR
BE A DOCTOR
GO TO MED SCHOOL
neon grove
IMAGINE
pseudo wagon
no need to imagine 🥲
neon grove
BRO ITS LIKE THE SAME DAY EVERYDAY
neon grove
imaging going to school for 8 years ☠️
imagine going for 5 and being unemployed
pseudo wagon
ALSO WHY ARE YOU WRITING IN ALL CAPS
neon grove
oh idk
pseudo wagon
lol
pseudo wagon
word same sometimes i do that too
neon grove
I have so many rejection emails, I cant even type them all into 2023 grad process
they think its a scam
coarse locust
And who tf has 10+ YOE in whatever niche stack some companies use lol like why would a person with 10+ YOE want to code in your niche stack instead of becoming a team lead or go for a senior position
pseudo wagon
And who tf has 10+ YOE in whatever niche stack some companies use lol like why w...
exactly lmao
I just saw a position asking for 19 years of experience
like wtf
lost ether
GO TO MED SCHOOL
Trade school, med school, engineering school 
lost ether
Child labor 
polar grail
NEW GRAD ROLE - "10 years of experience"
comeon you werent programming when you came out of your mother womb?
that where it comes from
pseudo wagon
Do you think this is fair for an entry level backend engineer applying for a startup: ``` Would you be open to half cash pay + half equity pay?
I'm tempted but I think I'll just put down no
mystic pollen
Do you think this is fair for an entry level backend engineer applying for a sta...
what stage startup?
earlier startups usually give you a lot more equity/options and they probably won't budge much
mystic pollen
oh so its probably very early stage
pseudo wagon
yeah
mystic pollen
what's the alternative to half cash half equity?
pseudo wagon
interview will directly be with ceo
pseudo wagon
what's the alternative to half cash half equity?
no alternative given
mystic pollen
interesting
neon grove
I'm tempted but I think I'll just put down no
ya take it
say yes and then discuss in the interview
what even is the half of the salary
pseudo wagon
say yes and then discuss in the interview
makes sense
mystic pollen
yeah it seems like they're asking if ur comfortable with that pay structure bc it's the one they have
peak comet
depends if its enough cash to live
pseudo wagon
what even is the half of the salary
lol idk this was the salary range: $20k – $91k
neon grove
if the half is a good amount of $$$ I am okay with it
neon grove
lol idk this was the salary range: $20k – $91k
WHAAAA
20k in a year
thats like pennies
pseudo wagon
word
rustic glacier
Guys i cant even find a minimum wage job
pseudo wagon
I owe more in student loans
rustic glacier
what do i do, i need money for rent
pseudo wagon
what do i do, i need money for rent
are you still in school?
neon grove
move in with ur parents
pseudo wagon
^^ or this
pseudo wagon
damn
mystic pollen
if u have a car then doordash
neon grove
rip
ornate cliff
Guys i cant even find a minimum wage job
lots of places hiring seasonal, hit up your best buy
rustic glacier
i cant my insurance doesnt cover it i tried
pseudo wagon
i went to every store around me and handed my resume and still no callbacks
don't give them your engineering resume
rustic glacier
i have a retail resume
pseudo wagon
oh kk
rustic glacier
i worked like 5 retail jobs these past couple years
ornate cliff
bruh my retail resume > my swe resume
mystic pollen
if u dont mind which geographical area do u live in?
rustic glacier
yea
pseudo wagon
shoprite is always hiring for seasonal roles
im not sure if they exist in toronto
maybe an equivalent store
rustic glacier
i gave up applying for swe roles its been 3 months no replies
pseudo wagon
or a warehouse
rustic glacier
i cant
mystic pollen
i gave up applying for swe roles its been 3 months no replies
you should keep applying on the side
mystic pollen
even if you're not getting callbacks rn its better to have ur foot in the door
pseudo wagon
are you international @rustic glacier
mystic pollen
yeah like minimal effort applying
pseudo wagon
damn
rustic glacier
lived in the us for 14 years tho
quartz wolf
what do i do, i need money for rent
Contact an employment agency theyll put you in a local labour job
rustic glacier
yea thats true ^
mystic pollen
even fast food places not hiring?
rustic glacier
tried it before but not hard enough gonna try again now
quartz wolf
But thats if ur real doen bad
mystic pollen
damn canadian economy is really diff from us economy huh
rustic glacier
you have 300 internationals applying for 1 mcdonalds job...
quartz wolf
If ur reasonably skilled with computers u could work as a technician somewhere
rustic glacier
If ur reasonably skilled with computers u could work as a technician somewhere
what roles would i look for?
mystic pollen
retail employers here are desperate to find workers
pseudo wagon
If ur reasonably skilled with computers u could work as a technician somewhere
that hard to find in notheast as well
so it might be worse in canada
quartz wolf
damn canadian economy is really diff from us economy huh
We accepted 4x more immigrants per our population than the US
pseudo wagon
HVAC technician roles require like atleast 2 years experience
quartz wolf
what roles would i look for?
Computer repair technician on indeed
mystic pollen
We accepted 4x more immigrants per our population than the US
damn we americans have no right to complain 💀
quartz wolf
They get like 16-18 per hiur
mystic pollen
i still love complaining though
quartz wolf
For start
pseudo wagon
They get like 16-18 per hiur
CAD ?
quartz wolf
You might need comptia+ cert tho
pseudo wagon
that's like 12 per hour in the us
quartz wolf
But its not exactly hard labour
rustic glacier
how do i go from being an intern making lots of money 3 months ago and having expeirnce and connections to literally begging for money to pay for food..
quartz wolf
Trudeaus canada
mystic pollen
the economy's tough 😦
pseudo wagon
neon grove
LMAOOOOOOOOO
rustic glacier
16$ is nothing here, big mac meal is like 18$ here
quartz wolf
This idiot is taxing everything
quartz wolf
Omg 😭😭😭😭😭
quartz wolf
I might as well play the H1B lottery
neon grove
its so cold and depression is everywhere
pseudo wagon
It's worse in the UK from what I heard
neon grove
I might as well play the H1B lottery
how do you do that
pseudo wagon
than canada
rustic glacier
nah sometimes party lit in toronto
neon grove
nah sometimes party lit in toronto
ya party with what money
quartz wolf
how do you do that
Just apply for an H1B US work permit and hope that I get one
😭😭😭😭
neon grove
its like $16 to uber to a club
rustic glacier
when u have money its good party not without
rustic glacier
that why i drive everywhere
neon grove
when u have money its good party not without
facts
rustic glacier
get a bottle and a baggie and ur good
neon grove
that why i drive everywhere
you have a car
rustic glacier
yes
neon grove
you pay for parking
rustic glacier
daddies car but i took it
neon grove
thats like more
rustic glacier
no i dont
mystic pollen
doordash/uber eats makes u prove insurance in canada?
quartz wolf
no bruh
pseudo wagon
idk
pseudo wagon
ooof
neon grove
NOOOOO
rustic glacier
doordash/uber eats makes u prove insurance in canada?
not only prove but u have to be covered under commerical insurance
neon grove
CAR INURANCE IS LIKE $$$$$$
rustic glacier
which mine doesnt and if i tried doing uber they would cancel me
mystic pollen
not only prove but u have to be covered under commerical insurance
bro that's so wack
when i doordashed in the past they just made me prove it was my car
quartz wolf
which mine doesnt and if i tried doing uber they would cancel me
Efffff
mystic pollen
no insurance no nothing
neon grove
Just apply for an H1B US work permit and hope that I get one
H-1B Specialty Occupations visa living in the US can apply?
quartz wolf
no insurance no nothing
Its illegal as hell to drive without insurance too lol
mystic pollen
here too
neon grove
Its illegal as hell to drive without insurance too lol
just dont speed
and then dont get caught
mystic pollen
but i dont think food delivery cares about whether u have insurance or not here LOL
quartz wolf
My boy rear ended somebody but they didnt have insurance so he got off scot free hahahahaha
pseudo wagon
maybe some jail
really???
quartz wolf
maybe some jail
If ur doing fraud probly
pseudo wagon
I thought canada's justice system is very lenient
quartz wolf
Lol no
pseudo wagon
dang
quartz wolf
U can even get jailed if somebody breaks into ur house and u defend urself
Its so stupid
rustic glacier
in a way yes cause all their cases are backed up itll take a year or 2 to be in court
i got speeding ticket in janurary and still waiting for court date
quartz wolf
Im so paranoid abt that now
rustic glacier
if not date by next janurary then it gets written off lmao
quartz wolf
For federal cases its 30 months for it to get thrown out for provincial its 18
mystic pollen
U can even get jailed if somebody breaks into ur house and u defend urself
kinda reminds me of a law in the US where basically if a squatter lives in ur house for long enough you're not allowed to kick them out
quartz wolf
Yea I heard abt that
But home invasion warrants me beating the shit outta somebody ngl
😂😂😂
pseudo wagon
kinda reminds me of a law in the US where basically if a squatter lives in ur ho...
no that was a loophole
mystic pollen
yeah
mystic pollen
But home invasion warrants me beating the shit outta somebody ngl
defending urself in a home invasion is peak america
mystic pollen
it got closed now
oh dang i didn't know
quartz wolf
defending urself in a home invasion is peak america
Imma make that move then
Catch me in the middle of nowhere in illinois 🔜🔜
mystic pollen
im getting to the point in my life where im starting to like america
it sucks here but it sucks even more everywhere else
pseudo wagon
wtf does this have to do with a new grad cloud engineer role
why do my grades in hs matter for a college new grad role
past hound
Don't bother with Canonical.
pseudo wagon
realy are they bad?
past hound
Yes
pseudo wagon
I was gonna put this down I scored a 5 on AP calculus AB, 4 on AP calculus BC and my mathematics SAT score was around 680
past hound
I am just sitting here having "fun" with HireRight.
pseudo wagon
how long do background checks take anyway?
should be done in a week I'm sure
then again my last background check took like 2 weeks 
past hound
Yea, about 2 weeks.
pseudo wagon
you were born in the US right?
past hound
Yea, US citizen.
pseudo wagon
I was born in a different country so my background check had trouble verifying when I was born in
past hound
They are being a pain in the ass about a unpaid IT position I did in High School.
past hound
I wasn't paid, so I never got a W2 or 1099 or any other tax form for it. And, they kept trying to have me submit those non-existent forms.
pseudo wagon
I wasn't paid, so I never got a W2 or 1099 or any other tax form for it. And, th...
did you sign an nda?
you can use that as a substitute
past hound
did you sign an nda?
No.
pseudo wagon
Idek where my w2 is for my 2021 internship
so if I ever get an offer im in trouble
maybe I can show them my adp payment records
like my weekly paycheck
idk
past hound
It is listed as "complete - discrepancy" as of right now. Live support person said to wait 48 hours to see what they do.
pseudo wagon
It is listed as "complete - discrepancy" as of right now. Live support person sa...
live support was useless for me
I was talking with them for 2 hours
and I basically gave up
past hound
They left a note and cancelled the request
But, he can't change it to verify, since that is a different team.
All they can do is call the place.
I don't have records because I wasn't ever given any.
pseudo wagon
oh yeah if you don't send a w2 they call the place
I still have my manager's email
hopefully he hasn't forgotton me lol
pseudo wagon
dam
fallen fox
They are being a pain in the ass about a unpaid IT position I did in High School...
did hireright make you list all previous employment?
past hound
did hireright make you list all previous employment?
I included everything that was on my resume.
I don't remember if it was required or not
100% taking that shit off for future versions of my resume.
Because I don't wanna deal with the hassle for such a insignificant position
My interviewers didn't even talk about it
pseudo wagon
what name did you use tho for that resume?
*position
did you change the job title
cus I did
to make my resume more impressive
past hound
It was a internship, so I said IT intern
pseudo wagon
hopefully it doens' t bit me in the future
fallen fox
i also have an unpaid role listed on my resume lol, not sure how much that'll bite me in the ass if i manage to get an offer
pseudo wagon
It was a internship, so I said IT intern
for my IT internship, I said it was a network engineering internship
fallen fox
i do have the offer letter + reference
past hound
I don't have any of that shit. I only got the position because I knew someone who worked there and I needed it for a graduation requirement for high school.
tardy geode
wtf does this have to do with a new grad cloud engineer role
is this canonical ?
if yes you can pass them
pseudo wagon
is this canonical ?
yes
tardy geode
not worth it
tardy geode
any ML interns or engineers here ?
pseudo wagon
used to be cloud automation which is similar to data engineer which is similar to ml engineer
pseudo wagon
any ML interns or engineers here ?
make sure you know scripting and mlflow
mlflow is an industry standard
for ml jobs
and look through chip hyuen's book
@tardy geode
dense swan
Tell us the link brother
Lets make it 1000 applicants
Pls dm the link to make it 9 applicants
pseudo wagon
Pls dm the link to make it 9 applicants
have fun
slender axle
Linkedin premium is telling me that 10 people from capital one looked at my profile today... guess interview review board is looking at my profile 
mystic pollen
why are new grads getting fired
from where? 👀
pseudo wagon
@elder forum you are working in a devops role right?
or a cloud related role?
can I know where you are locatioed
cus a few recruiters I talked to are asking junior engineers to relocate to ohio or texas
oh nice
damn, sucks that I'm not getting any responses from any companies here in NJ
ooof
I just don't want to
I mean I'm fine with commuting
but for the next two years I can't more out for rent and family reasons
just need to wait until my sister graduates college, then I can move out
neon grove
from where? 👀
bell
pseudo wagon
should I jump ship and apply to google?
One of my distant relatives is a senior engineer at google
so he could give me a referal
but all the jobs I have used referals for never materialized
pseudo wagon
One of my distant relatives is a senior engineer at google
dude works at google and inherited the tall genes 😢
he's like 6' and I'm 5'8" 😔
ornate cliff
does Apple referral do anything?
tardy geode
does Apple referral do anything?
if a EM refers you then yes
ornate cliff
fuck
tardy geode
obsidian crater
it's joever for manlets
ornate cliff
LMFAO
gg
😭
yeah the referral isn't even for a team
it's for the rotational program
FML
gg boys
religious minority af
but that doesn't count
yeah I am
gg
middle eastern man 📉
I'm applying to mcdonalds
seasonal hire
ez
LMFAO
why is rotational dei
😭
i could use some rotation
bold pier
https://tenor.com/view/cat-sad-blade-runner-gif-27204562
I drive
vague slate
how often are you guys getting interviews, it feels like the closer I get to christmas the less responses I get
fathom dagger
does Apple referral do anything?
They don't do shit
fathom dagger
I got referred by a friend who works in the same office where I applied to
Not same team but another team that works with his team
And I had my resume tailored for the position
fathom dagger
And I never heard back
My resume says graduated dec 2022
Imma remove month and put 2023
bold pier
<a:aPES_CryLaptop:672161498776469518>
Rope interlocked
golden agate
My resume says graduated dec 2022
That's waht I did
fathom dagger
Did it change anything
fathom dagger
That's waht I did
You put 2023 instead of 2022?
ornate cliff
wtf
apple referral is just "this person thinks you're great"
and nothing else
LMAO
gg
narrow harbor
My resume says graduated dec 2022
im about to do the same and i guess on my transcript it was rewarded in 2023
really out here worrying about my grade date on resume when i should probably be leetcoding or networking lmao
fathom dagger
Lmfaooooo
fathom dagger
really out here worrying about my grade date on resume when i should probably be...
Real
gleaming trellis
really out here worrying about my grade date on resume when i should probably be...
Anything you did software related since graduated?
narrow harbor
Anything you did software related since graduated?
0 relevant experience
solemn spire
My friend after referring me and getting my resume
swift falcon
They are being a pain in the ass about a unpaid IT position I did in High School...
who are, geico or canonical?
past hound
who are, geico or canonical?
HireRight for GEICO
swift falcon
HireRight for GEICO
oh noooo
so what's goin on then?
is it preventing you from starting job?
past hound
I don't know yet.
Just hoping they don't pull my offer because of their terrible background checking company.
swift falcon
smh my head
past hound
I would hope they won't becasue it is a insignificant position I only included on my resume because I had nothing else to put there.
grizzled bronze
Just hoping they don't pull my offer because of their terrible background checki...
nah you're keeping your offer, worse that'll happen is the background company will reach out again if they need further clarification
past hound
nah you're keeping your offer, worse that'll happen is the background company wi...
It is currently marked as "Complete - Discrepancy", which worries me so much.
mystic pollen
ive had problems with background checks before
ended up never being a real problem
past hound
They verified my TA experience and degree just fine
mystic pollen
unless you blatantly lied about a position you will be fine
tall cedar
anyone kow anything about spacex interview process?
past hound
Ok, thanks. I hope they have the same attitude. I didn't lie about it, and it is such a insignificant position, I'd be devasted if I lost the job over something like this.
grizzled bronze
anyone kow anything about spacex interview process?
it's not in space, that's for sure
tall cedar
it's not in space, that's for sure
lol
my friend
he's interviewing for a application swe position and was wondering how many rounds
pure flower
who else dying out here
bold pier
he's interviewing for a application swe position and was wondering how many roun...
No, earth is flat not round
pure flower
My resume says graduated dec 2022
🤝
swift falcon
who else dying out here
me
tall cedar
anyone know if delaying spacex interview diminishes chances?
pure flower
anyone know if delaying spacex interview diminishes chances?
how long delay
they might interview someone they like if you delay and hire them instead who knows
tall cedar
it's not me it's my friend
he can't interview for around 2 weeks at least
and he wants to start in january but I'm assuming that's not happening
because background checks and the whole interview timeline
would take a month he's frst round
pure flower
i think bigger companies dont mind since their interview process is long usually
tall cedar
ok gotcha I wasn't sure if they would reject bc of headcount if he started interviewing later and they filled
pure flower
the sooner the better imo. and i think thats a good rule of thumb for most companies but i think itll be ok since its spacex
tall cedar
the sooner the better imo. and i think thats a good rule of thumb for most compa...
that's what I figured but just wated some confirmation
also anyone know difficulty of spacex questions on average?
halcyon topaz
@past hound I miss you
past hound
<@368213099192516609> I miss you
Ate kick
heavy reef
Feelsstupid.
First technical interview ever and I couldn't implement a leftview for a binary tree.
Brain totally froze.
fathom dagger
First technical interview ever and I couldn't implement a leftview for a binary ...
wich company
heavy reef
ServiceNow.
I feel like they wanted someone more experienced though, he was asking me if I was working already.
fathom dagger
oh ok
fresh mango
Prepping for a C++ technical, what should I know
It’s not Lc, gonna be implementing something around given code
Also anywhere you can practice shit like that or should just grind some LC and imprint C++ in my brain 😭
rustic glacier
u guys know of any resources or guides to make better linkedin?
ornate cliff
u guys know of any resources or guides to make better linkedin?
I look at people who are cracked an copy
there ain't much to it
just have a nice photo
rustic glacier
alr thanks
What are some jobs that i could have a better chance at landing or even getting an interview. Im getting nothing from swe and backend, c#/.net dev with a year itern experience working with c# and sql.
ornate cliff
Go for it man
ornate cliff
What are some jobs that i could have a better chance at landing or even getting ...
My bruddah we're in Canada, the driest country on earth
limpid monolith
My bruddah we're in Canada, the driest country on earth
indigo storm
move to India
im p sure india has the hardest process of any country in the world
ok maybe tied with china
(for getting new grad from college)
obsidian crater
not really
In India it is the norm for companies to come to college to recruit
Unless you go to some actual shitter college
indigo storm
In India it is the norm for companies to come to college to recruit
yeah but you need to pass lc hards to get past first round and then grind codeforces
obsidian crater
depends what companies you're trying for
indigo storm
even like banks were asking bitmask dp and eulerian circuits for early rounds i heard
???
earnest summit
These are some great statistics backed by reliable sources (source is believe me)
indigo storm
for amazon if you got past resume screen and knew number of islands you got an internship in the US
indigo storm
maybe in 2022
last year lol
obsidian crater
it was easy before the bubble burst
indigo storm
ok fine internships might be a bad gauge
but india def does not have 4x the number of good software jobs while still having 4x the population of the US
indigo storm
us has mid jobs but they think theyre superstars
ok getting top bank swe job in india is not easy
ok maybe i am skewed by the top 1-2 bank options
idk at this point, swe recruiting everywhere seems very random
excluding trading swe right
plain goblet
I hate this +50 applicants thing, like just give it to me straight how many people am I actually competing with
cedar cairn
The first person they accept may not actually take the job tho
If ur that top chances are multiple companies are interviewing u and giving offers
It goes both ways, tho is biased to employer in this market ofc
pseudo wagon
a senior engineer ik said that while consulting pays a lot technically, the consulting agency takes the bulk of it so your take home is significantly less
than a non consulting company
swift falcon
The first person they accept may not actually take the job tho
what I wonder about this, is do they just go down the line, or after a certain point do they re-interview/restart the entire process over again?
cedar cairn
what I wonder about this, is do they just go down the line, or after a certain p...
They have spot(s) to fill so yes
golden agate
I got pinged. Was that an everyone ping or a Nolan ping?
cedar cairn
If someone rejects the offer they need to keep interviewing
If someone renegs the offer they may reopen the role
golden agate
I tried to reneg when I got my last job and they called me a renegga
swift falcon
If someone rejects the offer they need to keep interviewing
from the pool of their vetted candidates though?
cedar cairn
Nah sometimes vetted candidates get screwed bc they were rejected a month ago when someone accepted the offer
I didn't make that one 💀
swift falcon
I can't believe I went through 5 years of school and not one professor stopped to talk to us about "Hey, here are some things you might want to do to get hired"
"here's how the industry process works"
cedar cairn
They don't rly know how it works
As professors
For the most part
They've never had to deal with it
swift falcon
I had one lecture say "They're teaching you obsolete tech here" and then never elaborated on anything or made a point to teach anything beyond what was in the course lool
cedar cairn
Your schools career center should be taking on that responsibility but they're outdated as fuck
And don't know shit
swift falcon
Your schools career center should be taking on that responsibility but they're o...
I feel like career centers are just handshake shills at this point
cedar cairn
Yeah
U go to a career center for a resume review and they'll make u make a 3 column and put ur face on it with a huge personal statement
swift falcon
if there was ever an actual role that would be useful, it could be some kind of "professional liaison" for each department or group of departments within university
swift falcon
i mean yeah, but that's the whole point
cedar cairn
Chances are it'd end up the same as college advisors now
swift falcon
like hire some middle manager with actual experience with hiring devs in last 2-3 years
and is capable of keeping up with trends
could give like a few seminars per semester on career prep
golden agate
spent the whole day trying to do backtracking problems but no progress. I keep reverting to straight dfs
golden agate
Yeah I know, just got to put in the reps with finding the right constraints
pallid kernel
i had two (2*60min) rounds
polar grail
I had **one** lecture say "They're teaching you obsolete tech here" and then nev...
Most likely those professors never really have swe experience and more into research side or people who went to masters and cant find job and just went into teaching in their university
heavy trout
I had **one** lecture say "They're teaching you obsolete tech here" and then nev...
Ex Google senior engineers are even worse
They think everything works perfectly when it usually doesnt
cobalt bane
Is palantir swe or fdse closer to filling up for ng?
swift falcon
Ex Google senior engineers are even worse
guess i'm living in copium land haha
crystal igloo
hey! just dm'd u about roblox pm
rain patio
solemn spire
SEND HELP
slender axle
I just got a "your appication was accepted" email for databricks that I applied to in August 💀
like the confirmation email you're supposed to get within 5 minutes
timelines have really slowed down huh
slender axle
Anyone know if typing in the grad process channel, when you put in "reject" does that auto fill all the earlier stages? Or do you have to do them all manually
peak comet
pretty sure theyre all independant
reject doesnt specify if you were resume rejected or got to final or what
slender axle
gotcha
radiant moon
can international students do W2 jobs?
oblique harbor
My internet is down and will be for a few hours. I can't leetcode and I have a leetcode interview tomorrow 😭
fathom dagger
My internet is down and will be for a few hours. I can't leetcode and I have a l...
Go out to a cafe
Chill there and leetcode
oblique harbor
Go out to a cafe
Internet's back
fathom dagger
Who are you interviewing with
dense swan
Back in 10 mins lol
swift falcon
How did it go
felt prr good tbh, good vibes, excited to see how it turns out
fathom dagger
Wich company
fathom dagger
Best of luck buddy
Still no phone shit for me 
Idk where I'm supposed to find job postings
I only go on linkedin
Idk where else to look
If I get a job I'm deleting linkedin and burning all devices that were contaminated with this stessful ass app
lean carbon
Am scared to get into faang cause of layoffs trends
past hound
If I get a job I'm deleting linkedin and burning all devices that were contamina...
Nah, stay in the market.
Even when you have a job
Obviously, take a break though.
fathom dagger
I'm just saying that out of frustration
I guarantee you my first job (if I get it before dying) will be shitty
So yeah of course I would be on the hunt for another job
But like I'm just dying to get a job
Pls
rain patio
I guarantee you my first job (if I get it before dying) will be shitty
My first job out of college was at a buffet lol
rain patio
I graduated in may 2023 😭
fathom dagger
December 2022 here
It's a shit show
U got anything other than Geico? @past hound
past hound
U got anything other than Geico? <@368213099192516609>
Nope. Vanguard wanted to interview me, but I decided not to interview them because my current offer with GEICO is way way better.
past hound
Jan 22
past hound
109k + 5k sign on in LCOL basically.
Applied - August 15
Questionnaire - September 6
Completed Questionnaire - September 7
Recruiter Call - September 14
Interview - September 29
Verbal Offer - October 13
Written Offer - October 25
Background Check (there is no drug test) - November 6
@fathom dagger
fathom dagger
U in LI?
past hound
It is based on location
past hound
U in LI?
Nope.
Other part of NY that is way cheaper
Lower than the national average type of cheaper
fathom dagger
Oh u in NY?
Some guy was telling me that parts of ny are really cheap
But how about taxes
past hound
But how about taxes
Federal + state is like 21%. There are other stuff, but that is hard to calculate. Rent is less than 1k here for a studio.
past hound
That is why I didn't take the Long Island offer.
fathom dagger
Any internships? Yoe?
past hound
120k in Long Island is less than 109k in my current area, since it is remote.
fathom dagger
I've probably asked u this million times
fathom dagger
120k in Long Island is less than 109k in my current area, since it is remote.
Oh your offer is remote?
past hound
Oh your offer is remote?
Fully remote, but once a quarter I need to come into their local office like 15 minutes way from me.
past hound
Any internships? Yoe?
Not counting the unpaid IT internship I did in high school, 0. I just have TA experience and some ok projects.
fathom dagger
Same here
past hound
Although, one of those projects had real clients.
fathom dagger
One TA and projects
fathom dagger
Although, one of those projects had real clients.
That's good
Where u like first 10 to apply?
past hound
To GEICO?
fathom dagger
Yeahhh
past hound
I think I was really early, yea.
fathom dagger
I'm pretty sure there are hundreds of people with better xp
That tried to apply
So it's actually good that you got it
past hound
I got lucky, my resume is mid.
fathom dagger
Pleasee I wanna blessed with a job like diss 
Trying to put in some apps everyday
Like you recommended
U never know when one bites
past hound
Yea, that is what I was doing after I graduated.
fathom dagger
When did you graduate?
past hound
May 2023
fathom dagger
Oh ok
past hound
Graduated without a job, took 5 months to land GEICO.
fathom dagger
I changed my graduation date to 2023
No month
Although I graduated in Dec 2022
But fuck it
Hopefully they don't catch me lol
past hound
HireRight is giving me trouble over that unpaid internship I did in high school
for example
because I didn't have a W2 or 1099 or other tax forms because I was never paid. Lol, I can't provide documents that never existed.
Degrees are automatic
They will instantly know your graduation date
fathom dagger
Yeahh
Even my transcript says Dec 2022
Gonna have to change it then
Or keep it
Idfk 
gloomy terrace
Ur fucked
slender axle
Anyone know how long it takes for Meta to remove the rate limit? I uploaded my resume too many times and I'm blocked for some number of hours
golden agate
I changed my graduation date to 2023
I did the same. I say Grad year
gloomy terrace
Would u guys take palantir rn or wait for anthropic on-site results
I feel like 250k isn’t enough
Anthropic is 525k fwiw
fathom dagger
Lmfaooo I just went on here to type that
Is it auto?
It seems like everyone got it
nova coyote
Is there anyone who would like to practice LeetCode consistently for a period of time?
ocean timber
na im good
fathom dagger
only recruiter that gets back to me without asking is brenan delsing
Lmfaoooooooooo
I had to unsubscribe or do something about it
I was done
Fed up with the emails/linkedin dms
Lmao
rain patio
Anthropic is 525k fwiw
Wtf...that's almost 8x what i make
fathom dagger
Wtf...that's almost 8x what i make
Where at
pine minnow
Hey did you interview at fetch? I have one coming up soon and was wondering if you could share what the process looks like
mental nimbus
Broskis goldman sachs oa auto????
What do you mean by auto?
fathom dagger
Automatic after submitting application
mental nimbus
Do some companies do that for oa? I submitted my app like 2 weeks ago
fathom dagger
Do some companies do that for oa? I submitted my app like 2 weeks ago
For goldman sachs?
mental nimbus
yea
mental nimbus
I think it was just software engineer
tardy geode
ornate cliff
is dr crud around?
has anyone heard from him lately?
I need project critique
wtf
how many accounts does he have
@elder forum is this him? 👉🏼 @lunar sonnet
i swear his username was somethign else too 🤣
ok sorry I will do that next time
bold pier
Hi @ornate cliff I'm Dr. Crud
ornate cliff
Hi <@200372491594629121> I'm Dr. Crud
hello
bold pier
hello <:dogesmile:922937091195797514>
Pls venmo me $50 I lost all money on Spring boot tutorial
ornate cliff
Spring boot? what a waste of time
ornate cliff
Pls venmo me $50 I lost all money on Spring boot tutorial
doesn't Apple use spring boot? you should apply
bold pier
learn go and flask
Give $100 then for your shitty opinion
ornate cliff
wanna see a system design diagram I made for my portfolio?
kk I will dm cuz I'm shy
bold pier
Show us, I wanna laugh too
cloud zinc
Dr Crud is like the wise Teaching Assistant to thousands of students in this server. If he's taking a break, he deserves it.
heavy trout
What's a yahkunian moment?
heavy trout
Whose yahkina
forest elk
yakhina
bold pier
No, why do you think
golden agate
it means no worries
heavy trout
That's Hakuna matata
golden agate
yahkuna matata
heavy trout
It's Hakuna though
golden agate
i know, it's a joke
bold pier
Is he cracked?
Mentally yes
obsidian crater
yahkuna is my CEO
heavy trout
@yahkuna what's your tc?
obsidian crater
24 million
obsidian crater
@pulsar mural
you lack the powers
only his slaves can ping him after they have finished their 17th hour of work for the day.
heavy trout
Is this a cult or sum?
obsidian crater
It is a family
deep dagger
Does anyone know what kinds of design questions Bloomberg asks during the hiring manager round?
solemn spire
cloud zinc
What's a yahkunian moment?
honestly no clue, I only changed my server name to follow a trend
lean carbon
the brother from lion king
tardy geode
whole roost
https://tenor.com/view/mood-heart-beat-wolf-of-wall-street-matthew-mcconaughey-good-one-gif-16087071
fallen fox
rain patio
Most of those can be answered in 1 sentence, and you can use chatgpt for the rest lol
pseudo wagon
Do you guys think writing medium articles will impress recruiters/hiring managers?
I've written a couple but they barely have had any traction, like I think the most likes I got was 7 likes
dense swan
Nah personally i would just cold email one more hiring manager instead of that
But thats just me
pseudo wagon
maybe
I think I just wanted to show that I know how to translate complex code into understandable text
pseudo wagon
i haven't written on medium in like 3 months
heavy reef
Rejections even with referrals.
pseudo wagon
Rejections even with referrals.
lol I got no responses even with referals
heavy reef
Same too.
Knowing that I could have graduated earlier and already be employed.
KMS.
Kms so hard.
pseudo wagon
having depression and getting rejected doesn't help
pseudo wagon
I literraly stopped doing lc
heavy reef
Hitting that Run button with blurry version.
pseudo wagon
I'll just grind it once I get a coding interview
heavy reef
It's not enough, gotta know the mediums and those take times.
pseudo wagon
do you think taking certs can be experience?
thanks lol
oh kk sounds good
i was thinking of taking the CKAD
hopefully lol
damn
I see, thanks for the pointers!
gleaming trellis
Don’t even know why I receive these messages from recruiters on LinkedIn asking me whether I’m interested in a software lead developer position when I don’t have experience leading teams …
heavy trout
certs are awesome, I have a friend who spams certs and he's getting to senior dev in a year
What's so funny?
heavy reef
Me learning K8 and and how to build my own CI/CD anyways.
neon grove
Guys I am acc like so scared
What if we never get a job
And are unemployed forever
What happens then
bold pier
What happens then
shut crescent
Me learning K8 and and how to build my own CI/CD anyways.
yeah ci/cd, IaC, pipelines are a good learn, especially for data engineering if ur interested in that
rain patio
sonic violet
Can anyone who received a Stripe Torotno NG offer message me? Or if you know anyone who did, lmk their dc
fallen fox
is it joever?
plain goblet
So… see you all in January hopefully 🥲😂
lean carbon
The rope is eyeing me
Idk if I will give in 😥
Yep same thing happened to me with samsara
I got 513 and tbh first time I ever felt good about an OA
But they said they never recieved it 😭
And refused to give me another
Yea
But I didn't do anything sus tho
The questions were easy to medium lc
And code signal did verify it
willow sedge
how do i turn down an offer 👉👈
swift falcon
how do i turn down an offer 👉👈
😭
lean carbon
how do i turn down an offer 👉👈
💀💀💀💀💀
peak comet
refer me
willow sedge
it was a good offer though
rain swan
which company ?
minor lagoon
give the offer to me
tardy geode
willow sedge
i would love to but idk if i could
willow sedge
feels bad cause i was their top candidate:/
tardy geode
whole roost
how do i turn down an offer 👉👈
the duality of man
neon grove
feels bad cause i was their top candidate:/
damnnn
swift falcon
feels bad cause i was their top candidate:/
u cracked af no other way to put it
willow sedge
u cracked af no other way to put it
i’ve worked my ass off for this 😂 legit did nothing but study for months
swift falcon
i’ve worked my ass off for this 😂 legit did nothing but study for months
LIES YOU JUST NATURALLY CRACKED
vague slate
i’ve worked my ass off for this 😂 legit did nothing but study for months
was your study regiment mostly neetcode/leetcode or was there something you felt that had more impact
willow sedge
was your study regiment mostly neetcode/leetcode or was there something you felt...
leetcode/generic interview questions/sql/some personal projects
vague slate
leetcode/generic interview questions/sql/some personal projects
thanks for the reply! and having two offers is huge, it must've been hard work, congragulations!
grizzled bronze
how do i turn down an offer 👉👈
email them ASAP and let them know so they can extend the offer to the next candidate, no need to feel bad they got someone else they can extend to
it's business
willow sedge
email them ASAP and let them know so they can extend the offer to the next candi...
yeah ima email tomorrow i just need to look everything over and make sure this is the right decision
vague dune
I have a leetcode interview in ~45 minutes. Wish me luck y'all. I failed a previous Leetcode interview at this company and don't want to fail again now that I have a second chance. I've been studying harder this time around.
And good luck to those with interviews as well.
burnt pendant
I have a leetcode interview in ~45 minutes. Wish me luck y'all. I failed a previ...
Go with the flow, discuss your approaches and speak your mind out… if the interviewer is good, they will help and guide you through… but only if they can understand where you’re headed with the solution
Wish you all the best!!
pine topaz
I have a leetcode interview in ~45 minutes. Wish me luck y'all. I failed a previ...
@elder forum
ur oni sama 
tardy geode
I have a leetcode interview in ~45 minutes. Wish me luck y'all. I failed a previ...
you got this brother
versed surge
did everyone get tiktok yesterday?
wraith yew
Anyone heard from meta?
drifting talon
anyone have access to 1point3acres?
fathom dagger
slightly less money but i don’t have to sign nda or non compete
Wait why is it bad to sign nda
willow sedge
Wait why is it bad to sign nda
i mean nda isn’t terrible but the non compete kinda sucks
vague dune
Go with the flow, discuss your approaches and speak your mind out… if the interv...
Thanks. The interview is over. It went well. The question wasn't too difficult and I could figure out the question. The interviewer did guide me a bit, but I ultimately got to the solution on my own.
It wasn't a leetcode medium interview either, like my previous one at this company which I failed; it was super simple and done in an IDE without any test cases.
vague dune
Fingers crossed.
fathom dagger
What is non compete exactly
fathom dagger
i mean nda isn’t terrible but the non compete kinda sucks
Sorry I have no clue
willow sedge
Sorry I have no clue
they gave me a list of companies that i couldn’t work for. it lasts a year after i leave the company
and the list isn’t all inclusive
willow sedge
i won’t say cause it’s a small one
fathom dagger
Ok no worries
urban flicker
did people get rejections from affirm? i didnt get oa or a rejection email. just got ghosted : (
grizzled bronze
did people get rejections from affirm? i didnt get oa or a rejection email. just...
they're sending it in batches, you'll get yours soon too
urban flicker
oh i see so i just gotta wait
analog wind
I have a leetcode interview in ~45 minutes. Wish me luck y'all. I failed a previ...
Do your best 
elfin flint
new grad here and been 4 months I have 0 interview 
I don't know if I should keep going
earnest summit
keep going.
lyric flare
Anyone of you tryin to search a new grad without internship?
plain goblet
did everyone get tiktok yesterday?
I got one, was going to take it today, then it auto-rejected before I got to try it
narrow harbor
Anyone of you tryin to search a new grad without internship?
me lol, 600+ apps 4 interviews 0 offers
past hound
new grad here and been 4 months I have 0 interview <:cryge:852421832106573834>
Keep going, I got my first offer 5 months in.
plain goblet
Anyone of you tryin to search a new grad without internship?
yes, and it is brutal
narrow harbor
Keep going, I got my first offer 5 months in.
whats your background?
past hound
whats your background?
TA experience and some ok projects, no SWE internships
lyric flare
yes, and it is brutal
if this is the job market for the next year as well the new grad tag is gonna be removed from me if i dont get a job
past hound
I applied to literally everything I could find
fresh mango
what kinda company you got an offer from, big tech or local?
past hound
GEICO
Remote SWE job
So, basically "big insurance" I guess
Just apply and apply
You will find something eventually
plain goblet
if this is the job market for the next year as well the new grad tag is gonna be...
yeah pretty much, just keep at it, either something will stick or it won't, and when we know it won't well just pivot to another industry, just supply&demand of world
solemn spire
TA experience and some ok projects, no SWE internships
whats TA
past hound
whats TA
Teaching Assistant
I held office hours, labs, and other stuff for a professor's course.
past hound
Have hope
It was just as depressed as you probably right now. You need to keep going and going until you get it.
elfin flint
And my parents think I'm useless and lazy 
golden agate
And my parents think I'm useless and lazy <:worryCryHands:785708915953369098>
haha exact same
vague dune
Thanks. The interview is over. It went well. The question wasn't too difficult a...
UPDATE: I have a follow-up second interview on Monday. That means this interview went well! NGL, I'm not really digging this role (it's focused on the backend while I am more of a frontend/full-stack guy) but its my first job and at least I won't be an unemployed new grad anymore if I get the gig.
mental nimbus
Anyone ever done the Costco Coderbyte?
vague dune
UPDATE: I have a follow-up second interview on Monday. That means this interview...
The follow-up interview is another Leetcode interview too. I succeeded in this first one but I hated every minute spent preparing for it. This weekend is going to be hell grinding more Leetcode. Leetcode Mediums especially are the bane of my existence and I'm scared shitless I'll get a medium question in the interview that I haven't practiced before. Today's was a Leetcode easy but it might get progressively harder in the next interview and I am super worried.
mellow glade
foaming at the mouth
mellow glade
You will find something eventually
shoutout to everyone that feeds me hopium. yall keep me going fr 
steep cove
lean carbon
foaming at the mouth
what sort of genjustu is this
halcyon topaz
@past hound I’m waiting for interview
past hound
<@368213099192516609> I’m waiting for interview
@halcyon topaz For GEICO?
Or what company?
halcyon topaz
Yes
past hound
Ah, scheduled interview?
grave drum
Keep going, I got my first offer 5 months in.
Could I ask how many interviews you went thru before getting your first offer?
past hound
Could I ask how many interviews you went thru before getting your first offer?
I was lucky. First interview in the season.
grave drum
Nah that's awesome frfr congrats
grave drum
So many applications
I feel that
past hound
To say I treated it like my one and only chance is a underestimate.
grave drum
haha that's how I feel, I have my first onsite coming up on teusday and I've been grinding
elfin flint
haha that's how I feel, I have my first onsite coming up on teusday and I've bee...
leetcode grinding ?
gleaming trellis
To say I treated it like my one and only chance is a underestimate.
Getting an offer from just one interview is a phenomenon lol
past hound
Getting an offer from just one interview is a phenomenon lol
Yea, one and done is quite nice considering how good the offer is itself.
Background check finished, so now I gotta hope GEICO disregards HireRight marking my unpaid IT internship from high school as "Complete - Discrepancy" in red because I couldn't provide non-existent tax documents to prove my employment (unpaid employees don't get tax documents for their job).
swift falcon
Background check finished, so now I gotta hope GEICO disregards HireRight markin...
alright it’s time to go to war
past hound
alright it’s time to go to war
I don't even think they bothered calling them.
System said they called for my TA position
but not that internship
whole roost
ya tell em to background check deez nuts