2023_grads

[past hound]

Don't know if that offer is gonna come through now though. I'll know on Monday, since I talk with my recruiter again on Monday.

That 6% could be non-tech workers

[swift falcon]

[grizzled bronze]

layoffs are mostly non-tech, you should be good

[past hound]

Ok good

Hopefully not my recruiter

[pseudo wagon]

what company is that if ypu don't mind?

[pseudo wagon]

was it a cloud related role?

cus i got the same response for a cloud related role as well

@tardy geode

[shy dock]

what companies use codesignal? i just got a good score and want to send it to other places also

[willow sedge]

when you get a coding problem that you did last week 😌

[vague dune]

I have an unpaid/volunteer job offer. I can work as long as I want. The people are cool with me quitting once I get a paid job so I won't burn any bridges by taking it. This volunteer job was recommended to me by my former faculty advisor (I recently graduated with my masters) who is a great guy so I am highly considering taking it.

In this job, I will be working with AI and language learning models, something I am interested in.

The company could also very likely earn funding.

I'm thinking of taking this offer since it's so chill (I can easily work for a few hours A WEEK and spend the rest of my time applying for paid jobs) and so I can put something on my resume so that there isn't any experience gap (and my resume looks better too). I can quit once I get a full time paid job and not burn any bridges.

If I do accept this volunteer job, how should I put it on my resume to show I am still looking for paid jobs and am ready to start working a paid job immediately? I don't want to mention I am working unpaid on my resume, but at the same time, I want to make it clear that I am looking for something better urgently without badmouthing the current company.

[swift falcon]

sometimes it's ok to admit failure

if you got nothing to show me linkedin, then just say, "I HAVE NOTHING TO SHOW"

you don't gotta feed me some bullshit

smh 🤦‍♂️

[rain patio]

Windows engineer 😂

It's actually a job where ypu clean windows

[ornate cliff]

It definitely beats a resume gap... only thing is you could be making part time money or leetcoding dueing that time

but at some point it's better to start filling the resume

will it show up on your backgraound check or anything?

[ebon summit]

that's what I'm doing now

flexible hours and they just let me do w/e I want

I get paid a bit tho

[solemn spire]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-shocked-monkey-disappointed-disappointed-monkey-gif-25631537

[rigid sluice]

apple interview

[swift falcon]

bro my 8 ball said i would get interview today

it lied

probably invalidates the prophecies it has already foretold

[gleaming trellis]

Wait what?

[wraith yew]

stripe rejected me exactly 2 months later

https://tenor.com/view/rtfkt-clonex-nft-nfts-avatar-gif-23672179

[whole roost]

this is the age you shouldve started coding

[potent mason]

anyone know what sde at bechtel is like?

[swift falcon]

god i'm so exhausted by this shi

I don't think i'm gonna make it tbh

[fervent ruin]

Too relatable, it's been awful. Just when you think you made it you're back to square one

[vague dune]

How have you shown it on your resume? What do you put for the end date? or, how do you convey that you're ready to jump ship for a better opportunity without badmouthing the current company?

[ebon summit]

depends on role I'm applying for

[vague dune]

the company said once they secure money, they will pay me for ALL my work, including the work I do when I start next week.

[ebon summit]

new grad: I have it under volunteering

anything more senior

I have it as work experience

cause what I'm doing is considerable

[vague dune]

When you have it listed as work experience, do you put an end date for the job? How do you convey that you're willing to quit immediately for a better paying opportunity?

[ebon summit]

it's kinda assumed

if u apply for a job

my dude

[vague dune]

I guess. But the thing is, I will start working next week. So if my resume says "October 2023 - Present", employers might be wondering why I want to leave literally right after I joined. That could be a red flag/raise eyebrows. If you've worked a few months, it could be chalked up to a bad fit, but submitting a job application the same month as you joined another job? That doesn't look good.

[ebon summit]

could just leave it off

I have around a year of working there

so I've never seen it as an issue

I feel like sometimes people just get too worried about stuff

[vague dune]

I could, but I don't want to. I want employers to know I've been busy since I graduated. Having another job on my resume will also look good. But I don't want it to look like I've been doing unpaid work (even though that's the truth). I also don't want it seem like I am someone who job hops/applies for a new job right after I start working.

Maybe I want to show something on my resume thats impossible to show.

[vague dune]

Last month. So my resume would say "October 2023 - present" or "September 2023 - present". if i graduated in May, "May 2023 - present" wouldn't be that bad but that's not the case.

[fresh mango]

Interview w a company working with robots tomm, they said they might ask "calculus/linear algebra/physics"?

Anything particular I should be ready for if anyone has any exp with such interviews? I mean I know the basics but idk how intense the questions can be

[vague furnace]

I mean, you might as well leave it off and make sure you have decent projects on there lol

[swift falcon]

yaaaay you changed your pfp

thank god

dis one much better

[echo monolith]

did anyone got apple phone screen recruiter interview??

[rain swan]

team ?

[echo monolith]

MLE

if someone has given interview for apple can they share their experience ?

[fresh mango]

what's ur exp w ML like?

[echo monolith]

MS in Robotics and AI Top 30 School, undergrad in CS from IIIT-Delhi in India

3+ YOE

[vague furnace]

Hahaha the other one was hella chaotic

[tardy geode]

oh i read , IIT delhi . IIIT is different right ?

[echo monolith]

yeah apparently

its like IIIT Hyderabad, Delhi

Not in IIT league though

but still decent

[whole berry]

if theres a IIT and IIIT, by default logic implies that IIIIT also exists

[tardy geode]

got rejected by rippling in 3 hours wow

[gloomy terrace]

what position

[bold pier]

It should be IVT then

[echo monolith]

not good

it should be lower haha

[raven warren]

I go to iit
Just not one in India

[fallen fox]

rise and grind

[solemn spire]

@rain patio

[tardy geode]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[static quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/remember-wagmi-gif-24067442

[polar grail]

nah statistically there no such thing as WAGMI, in order for one to succeed there must be a loser

[static quarry]

you only lose when you give up

[willow sedge]

i made it to the final round! they are flying me out to their office for the final interview 🤩

[static quarry]

YOU GOT THIS

get off discord and study for it 24/7

[sturdy forge]

Sick I did one of those it’s so fun

Clutch up

[willow sedge]

did u get the job?

[sturdy forge]

Waiting on Results

[swift falcon]

when?

like next week?

[willow sedge]

in next two weeks sometime

[fresh mango]

Daaamn which company this? @willow sedge

[willow sedge]

a smaller one so i dont feel comfy sharing the name rn

[swift falcon]

exciting

[fresh mango]

Good luck

[solemn spire]

[fallen fox]

@rain patio

[pine topaz]

wrong gif

@rain patio

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[pine topaz]

[swift falcon]

it’s not wagmi it’s tagmi

[rustic light]

Anyone gave interview for Aviatrix New grad role?

[tacit grove]

Nice!!! Which company?

[brisk jetty]

What is the hiring process of Data Scientist position at Amazon?

[swift falcon]

🥲

[unreal current]

Guys, does Wells Fargo sponsor H1B?

[gleaming trellis]

After which round did you receive this?

[swift falcon]

0th

[shut thistle]

no they dont

[shut thistle]

did you get an interview?

[unreal current]

Then why in the world did the recruiter scheduled a call with me. Wth 🙂

[grizzled bronze]

ask the recruiter directly and begin with letting them know

[shut thistle]

🙂

[whole roost]

they really out here practicing their creative writing skills

just send a blank email with subject "Rejected"

[unreal rampart]

Goodbye all for now. I finally got an offer after my original NG offer got pushed back a year. It’s not development work but it’s close enough for now. Thanks to anyone who helped me out and good luck to you all! #youaregoingtomakeit

[swift falcon]

tempting tbh

[vague slate]

what a beautiful sight to see, another one makes it out. Congrats and good luck!

[cinder lake]

Has anyone heard anything back from morgan stanley technology FT? I haven't seen anyone discussing it. No rejections or offers yet.

[pseudo wagon]

are linkedin recruiters even useful?

I've had two reach out to me and I've promptly responded

[dusty frost]

recruiters are always insane hit or miss

[pseudo wagon]

but they never followed up after

[pseudo wagon]

word

[dusty frost]

id say out of every recruiter i reach out to, its usually very little

are helpful

But i generally am like:
Interested, resume, next steps

I think out of 3 years, ive had 3 recruiters actually helpful

sometimes just gotta know more and more ppl till u find a responsive recruiter / prompt recruiter

Its more of a side optimization if u got nothing else to do

Like when I wanted to interview for meta, cause i had my google offer, i just emailed like 5 meta recruiters

and one of them was responsive

and i got an interview process from start to end within 2 to 3 weeks

[ornate cliff]

@swift falcon https://www.wellsfargojobs.com/en/jobs/r-298781/2024-technology-early-career-development-program-software-or-data-engineer/

military experience

[swift falcon]

thanks, I will definitely apply, but the locations CHARLOTTE MINNEAPOLIS NEW YORK PHOENIX SAINT LOUIS SAN FRANCISCO

[ornate cliff]

the kids will love st louis

😭

come on wifey

maybe when she sees the new TC 😈

[swift falcon]

I've joked in the past that I am just going to move us, with or without her blessing, might make it a reality tbh

or I'll just get the damn job and move myself

[fallen fox]

Unfortunately, we cannot consider your application for this position any further. We have received applications that meet our requirements even better.

[proper violet]

Bruh

[grizzled bronze]

delete this

[fallen fox]

ghosted by hm

[swift falcon]

Must be pursuing a bachelor’s degree in Computer Science, Computer Engineering or other Technology STEM related majors with an expected graduation date between December 2023-June 2024
- applied anyways tho

[grizzled bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/denied-saquinon-adjoua-lath-atito-gif-12052139

[willow sedge]

yall i got another final round interview

[brisk jetty]

Yeah recruiter reached out to me

[vapid oasis]

I’m just tryna get an interview

[willow sedge]

i’ve only gotten interviews from my colleges career fair

i drove my ass back to ohio to go lmao

[pseudo wagon]

lmao wtf is linkedin on crack

literally 80% of the entry level jobs require 5+ years of experience or more

so dumb

This is an entry level job according to linkedin

[chilly burrow]

I think that entry level may be the default

But idk tbh

[gleaming trellis]

What’s the title of this position?

[pseudo wagon]

I don't remember

software engineering i think

[swift falcon]

i don’t even look at it as a filter

it’s useless

[gentle oriole]

stripe just sent me hackerrank

joever

[sly igloo]

has anyone heard anything back from pfizer for second rounds? it's been a bit since my first round and i asked for a follow-up a week ago and they said "we'll be shortlisting applicants within the next few weeks"

which is kind of vague

[bold furnace]

i hate it when they lock you into a number

[pseudo wagon]

shit someone recomended me to watch this one horror game, but i forgot what its called

they reccomended it in this server too

oh here it is #general message

gonna be watching withes house now lol @torpid birch

[torpid birch]

Bro

[pseudo wagon]

also what tech stack do u use btw

[torpid birch]

It all leads up to the end

[pseudo wagon]

i watched the first 15 minutes last time

it reminds me of ib

but in a haunted house setting

[torpid birch]

Yes

Same year

2012

Rpg maker

[pseudo wagon]

ooooh

no wonder i like it

[torpid birch]

If u saw ib I'm surprised u Haven't seen this

[pseudo wagon]

crooked man came that year too right?

[torpid birch]

Ya

[pseudo wagon]

my 13 year old self might have been too traumatized to watch more horror games lol

crooked man was preety sad ngl, i went to sleep so depressed when i finished in 13 year old

[willow sedge]

i must be the luckiest human today

a third company reached out to schedule a final interview

[pseudo wagon]

congrats 🥳

[mystic pollen]

today's like any other day for me

no rejects, no interviews, just ghost

👻

[willow sedge]

i have another option other than rope finally 😭

[pseudo wagon]

I don't even know which stage on the interview process im on 😭

3 interviews in and there might still be more

@willow sedge can I know what u are specializing in?

front end, cloud, networking?

[willow sedge]

wym

mostly back end. i’m really good with sql

[pseudo wagon]

oh kk like android development, koitlin, data cleaning?

data engineering

[willow sedge]

nothing in particular

[pseudo wagon]

yeah makes sense, you are a new grad

[shy mason]

hi asking for tiktok referral

[pseudo wagon]

you'll need to get to know people first lol

I don't think people give out referals like that

[willow sedge]

idk anyone in here who works at tiktok even lmao

[pseudo wagon]

word

[ebon summit]

I know a few

but they just lurk

[tacit oak]

Same

[mystic pollen]

i stand corrected just got a reject

[final ore]

https://www.businessinsider.com/ups-salary-increase-transparency-journey-2023-10

[rain swan]

Just search “tiktok referral” in linkedin search

You will see a bunch of names popping up with referral codes in the headlines

[rain patio]

20 years!?

Wtf i replied to a comment way above what i tapped on....

New discord ui trash

[outer radish]

Man took rest and vest too seriously

[swift falcon]

ok no doubt abt it you’re cracked af

[willow sedge]

my main problem was getting to talk to a real human lmao

[rain patio]

I, too, prefer solitude to socializing 😔

[willow sedge]

no i like talking to people. i just could never get that far lmao

[solemn spire]

https://tenor.com/view/put-on-uniform-mc-donalds-crew-put-hat-on-stare-at-mirror-gif-15688152

[rain patio]

"I feed hundreds of people a day with my labor"

[rustic light]

Anyone gave interview for Aviatrix New grad role?

[tardy geode]

another sad weekend

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sad-gif-26415220

#2024_grad_process already has so many offers

#2023_grad_process was dry this time last year

[oblique harbor]

Starting my first job as a college graduate on Monday. Its at a small startup with no funding (yet) and the pay will be peanuts, but its something to put on my resume until I find something better. The work and the product also seems super interesting so I am excited.

[swift falcon]

Im starting some tech college classes next week, man are they a clusterfuck. The canvas courses have like, different teacher bios and a bunch of other typos and date errors. One has an assignment due yesterday??! The class starts on Tuesday

boutta introduce myself in the intro discussion like

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-more-than-you-i-know-you-smarter-smarty-pants-glaring-gif-15654642

[tardy geode]

https://tenor.com/view/rakeitoop-rokeitup-dj-khaled-surf-gif-21792750

ghc 24 is the only way

[gleaming trellis]

They need to hire you as the developer

[grizzled bronze]

you're forgetting about WE 23, their conference opens up next week https://we23.swe.org/

[native mango]

Did anyone here had Bloomberg technical round?

[pine topaz]

can any1 join technicaly

[grizzled bronze]

yes, they welcome any gender

[pine topaz]

time to be tiktok famous

[tardy geode]

bruh what

its for women

@grizzled bronze

[bold pier]

I attended one of their virtual career fairs before, no one even asked why I care about SWE and why I am there

[grizzled bronze]

they allow men technically, but it's still frowned upon because it's meant for women

[whole roost]

only frowned upon?

Time for cscd meetup (boys only)

[willow sedge]

when i’ve been interviewing with 4 companies and haven’t talked to a single female yet ya know there’s a problem lmao

[burnt orchid]

I swear there was media coverage on the last women career fair cuz of how many men there were, even more than women almost i think

[tardy geode]

oh

[tardy geode]

LFGOOO

[vital meteor]

My wig is ready

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/dwight-disguise-office-wig-what-gif-15820367

[oblique harbor]

Rainn Wilson looks like a girl in that gif

[bold pier]

pull up to nyc

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[fallen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/devil-is-a-part-timer-anime-boorger-gif-19367173

[spring frost]

4 years ago, they told me that CS has the best oppotunities in the market

wtf is going on

[past hound]

Once you hear it on the news or through school, it is old news.

[tardy geode]

FFS

i was debugging the entire code for 1 hour only to find. that i had to keep the password field empty so that data could get inserted

💀

[fallen fox]

@expired 2023 graduates

[tired thicket]

Y’all, I was able to get this 3 month contract for this small company (remote)

It’s not an offer, but will it be useful down the stretch? Haven’t heard back, likely been ghosted, from any of my interviews about full time

[tardy geode]

if you are a citizen go ahead with it

if international then no

[tired thicket]

Citizen

Ok then

Ohh got it

[tardy geode]

why would contract look bad?

[tired thicket]

Ig I’m a lil happy to have something like this for a bit, but idk where to go from it when it ends

[rain patio]

What do y'all eat for breakfast most of the time? I like oatmeal with peanut butter powder, milk, and a bunch of frozen fruit on top. I mix everything up and put it in the microwave for 4 minutes. Super tasty

[cloud zinc]

Is it advantagous to learn whether a company will migrate to tools you're familiar with 5 years in the future?

Talked to a recruiter at PCC and they told me while they're looking for someone with ruby on rails experience, the company will migrate to Web App tools like NodeJS and stuff 5 years down the road

Im moreso concerned whether they will be looking for my skills when the time comes or if they'll just train their employees on the new stack

[ornate cliff]

I hope you're not staying in the same place for the next 5 years

Also will Node be relevant in 5 years?

[hardy relic]

anyone hear back from IBM

[north relic]

Did anyone get OA from visa for Senior Software Engineer, New College Grad - 2024 role?

[willow sedge]

that title makes no sense lmao

[burnt orchid]

i read that title and had to reread it to make sure

[mystic pollen]

i got OA for Staff Software Engineer, New College Grad - 2024

[pallid sapphire]

Anyone here who has given a technical interview with Navan?

[slender axle]

Uhhh is that supposed to be someone who did 10 years experience in India, came to Us for masters on a visa, then becomes staff at a us company

?

My sense of humor is dead at this point

Got 3 more rejects on Friday

[lone adder]

Has anyone gave new grad tiktok interview? Let me know what type of questions they are asking

[frigid basin]

It was for Master students

[tropic ice]

They ain’t sponsoring I believe?

[mystic pollen]

oh wow u werent joking

senior software engineer just bc someones a masters student sounds like insane title inflation though

unless senior at visa != senior everywhere else

[fresh mango]

What does zoox want

[tawny talon]

Anyone here interview with Hubspot?

[rain swan]

They have new grad openin?

[fresh mango]

They have requirements like Masters and python type stuff open since months but idk anyone who’s heard back

[static quarry]

✌️

[swift falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/wanna-kill-myself-the-office-michael-scott-steve-carell-frustrated-gif-13414030

[rain swan]

Link ?

[fresh mango]

Check their website, travel planning/motion planning stuff, even the garage tools one

That’s what I’ve heard, they take in people from zon

[grizzled bronze]

idk, but always thought their name was pronounced Zoo X, until I heard the real pronunciation in a YouTube vid recently

[fresh mango]

Zooks

[swift falcon]

https://youtu.be/YonukB9yPAs?si=nbO2HzYMuQrzxbwY

[gloomy terrace]

Anyone in vanta process

[final ore]

I got rejected after referral... they are not sponsoring

[cloud zinc]

Got rejected from the draftkings summer internship

[tired flint]

what role are you interviewing for?

[shut thistle]

for this role as well?

[solemn spire]

Looks like im ngmi, gotta start looking for other plan

[lucid fossil]

is withdrawing from one course ok?

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[fallen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-shocked-monkey-disappointed-disappointed-monkey-gif-25631537

[solemn spire]

https://tenor.com/view/put-on-uniform-mc-donalds-crew-put-hat-on-stare-at-mirror-gif-15688152

[vapid oasis]

Same I’m starting to feel the same way

Uhhh the dooming is coming to me

[whole roost]

When did you grad?

[solemn spire]

2022

[gleaming trellis]

What’s ur other plan?

[solemn spire]

🪢

[gleaming trellis]

I mean for real?

[vital meteor]

He's not joking bro

[wet kernel]

i believe in u bro

u got this

[swift falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/wanna-kill-myself-the-office-michael-scott-steve-carell-frustrated-gif-13414030

[slender axle]

So is this it guys? We're gonna spend the next 2 years begging companies to let us demonstrate our skills? And then the market will recover and we'll get passed up for the next batch of fresh 2026 grads?

[polar grail]

yes

they going be like how come you didnt get job for past 2 yearsa

[slender axle]

why shouldn't I be frustrated that my career trajectory isn't going into FAANG due to market forces outside of my control rather than my own skills?

[gloomy terrace]

Well did u ever work at faang

Cuz if not then skill issue, market was good before

[wet kernel]

tbh u have the right to be feel the way you feel b it ask urself why u want faang lol. what happens next ? it’s normal to want more but ig what i’m tryna say is that if u are unhappy at every step of ur careers, when will u ever be happy?

it’s just gonna be a continuous cycle of this shit

[slender axle]

I had an offer from bloomberg last year that got dropped. I know I'm capable of this

It's not being able to move to the city you want in your 20s. Not being able to put aside savings. Not being able to help my family out financially

I'm allowed to be frustrated by this

[slender axle]

I interned at Amazon but it’s not a real faang anymore

Why do you think we can’t both vent about it? We’re up against the same problem, that the market is down and jobs are harder to get

[midnight robin]

Wasnt bloomberg giving out 200k for ng?

[slender axle]

It was around 180

[whole roost]

fr

[whole roost]

this mindset right here is poison

keep thinking like that and you're not gonna be happy even if you do get faang later on

cuz your friends who got into faang earlier will be higher promo level then you or w.e. and you'll be dooming about that

[neon panther]

i need faang

[vital meteor]

[slender axle]

Also this tiny company has me working 60 hour weeks. It’s hard not to feel stressed when you’re overworked and underpaid

[midnight robin]

@slender axle what company

[slender axle]

I don’t want to say because I don’t want them to know my discord. But it’s one of the companies on the simplify GitHub jobs list

[midnight robin]

How much do they pay tho

[slender axle]

135k+20k bonus that you have to return if you quit within 2 years

So 145k basically if you stay

Which I won’t

Also 25k of that is stock which is going to drop massively because our product sucks and there is a bigger name who is entering the market

[fresh mango]

Don't wanna say it but weirdly sounds like magic leap type company

Apple entering AR/VR is how I see it

[willow sedge]

i’d be happy with a job that pays 60k rn lmao

[vital meteor]

I would be happy with wife who made 80k

[ebon summit]

I feel like you're a bit entitled rn my dude, I feel for you that you might not like where you work, but at the same time there's 1000s of people still struggling to get a job and you have. Most people would never break the 100k mark.

[cloud zinc]

Its like dying of thirst while watching another man drown

where do you live where $145k isn't enough

I was out here jonesing for $70k before returning to uni

[rain patio]

60 hour week is a legitimate reason to leave fr

Fuck that

I'll take a pay cut for less hours

I don't want to be a revenue producing bot

[cloud zinc]

thats fair

[swift falcon]

is it 60hrs every week?

[slender axle]

See people keep ignoring this. If it were hourly and adjusted by hour it would be 90k (to a 40 hour week)

[slender axle]

Yes

[swift falcon]

u still making $16 more an hour than I am

even with the overtime

which sucks for sure

[slender axle]

I am salaried. But I’m saying if you divided my salary by hour, from 60 down to a normal 40 hour week, that is 2/3

Just because they are allowed to doesn’t make it any better for my mental health. And no not all swe jobs are like that

It’s not sometimes. It’s the minimum expectation. Sometimes it can be more

It’s almost like TikTok 9 9 6 culture

Dr crud why are you such a bootlicker

And if I’m gonna work these hours it better be for a company with clout. I can grind here and still go nowhere in 5 years

Why would I do that

Did I say 20 hour workweeks? No. 40-50 is fine. Beyond that is diminishing returns

You’re tired and make more mistakes

Plus don’t see family etc

Since June

[neon panther]

how many interviews have you gotten

[slender axle]

2 this season

Compared to like 20 last year

[neon panther]

its joever

[gleaming trellis]

Tech layoffs started last June right?

[slender axle]

Even still I got more interviews

[swift falcon]

you’re all getting interviews?!?

[vapid oasis]

Bruh

I want job

[wintry prawn]

Does anyone know about expedia RO rate

[mystic pollen]

they didnt give ROs last year i think

[ebon summit]

shit

[ornate cliff]

@lunar sonnet is it impressive if I use redis in a personal project?

or is it kinda basic

I have API calls that do some expensive GPT calls that take 20+ seconds... I want to cache those results for the request parameters have been used before

Would that be good use of caching?

or should I be doing something different

kkkk sweet I'ma do it

thank you crud god

OK that's what I was wondering

store results in mongo

or just use redis

...or both?

Oh I see

what's the point of redis then?

nah API call spits out GPT result

I was thinking store results in mongo, and then if a call is made with already used params, I check if the result is stored first

right right

so what did you mean by store to disk?

what would be the point of storing to disk? in case the cache expires?

oh shoot

I didn't think about that

so what happens if server shuts down?

Redis will load the txt file?

not sure what to do with the file

Ohhhh I see

That's like standard practice? Have redis backups on disk?

all my shit is on GCP atm

so I'll setup redis then see how it goes

how long does redis even last

LMAO you're a funny dude you know that?

nah... API is on app engine

like lambda

so backend is on lambda, mongo is hosted on mongo atlas, redis will probably be its own instance on GCP?

I've had literally one interview all year 😭

so store results in mongo and next time there's a similar API call check mongo first?

that would probably be a better design :/

if the request parameters are the same

api call takes a bunch of UIDs

privacy nightmare but i dont really care lol

yes exact match

Damn OK mongo it is... I kinda wanted an excuse to put redis on my resume 😂

ya basically

flask backend opens DB connections as needed

uh... yah

maybe I should cache DB calls instead?

lol.......

[glossy gust]

u can use local caching if the requests are p similar

[ornate cliff]

true

[glossy gust]

takes like one line

[ornate cliff]

they're gonna be different DB calls

Basically it goes:

• API call: generate_report(doc_id, case_id)
  then, in the backend:
• pull doc by doc_id from mongo
• pull case by case_id from mongo
• GPT call with doc and case information that we just pulled
• output GPT return as JSON

I was gonna cache if there's exact match for doc_id and case_id

[glossy gust]

same docs get called over and over again?

u can just add @cache.cached to the DB call

but i dont see how getting a doc from DB takes so long

[ornate cliff]

DB is quick, the GPT call is the bottleneck

[glossy gust]

should take miliseconds

[ornate cliff]

I'm not sure tbh

API would return error

no retry or anything

What would be best practice in that case?

if GPT call fails... but I guess mongo calls could fail too but less likely

doc_id and case_id are verified to be correct and exist in DB beforehand

so unless mongo 404s or something

yeah but that would be a prompt issue

not a "backend" problem really

ya

true lol, haven't hit it so far

it was on Vercel before and it's only 20 seconds on free tier

never worked

I think GCP is 30 seconds...

shit

hooooolyyyyyyyy

shoulda just done lambda FML

It's not?

Oh I see

Cloud Run, Cloud Functions, and App Engine are all serverless platforms offered by Google Cloud

no clue what the difference is

app engine is a "platform" I guess?

So app engine scales by spinning up more servers instead of more function instances?

wait wtf... should I actually be using cloud run instead

for a flask backend

nah

ya app engine has a local cache

so I guess app engine handles a lot of the config for you since it supports Python

whereas in cloud run I'd have to setup the docker

the env/runtime and all that is abstracted in app engine

it's like AWS Elastic Beanstalk

it's just a teeny weeny python file

so no issues there

so anyway... how should I be handling failures in the steps of my API calls?

auto retry?

or just error out and pls try again?

idk what's best practice

personal project lol

how do people implement retry? Count retry attempts?

that means everthing in my backend should be in a try catch block 😮

or should the abstracted DB methods have the retries built in

Oh I didn't know that

Sweet

I should probably do that..................

or gg to my credit card

fuck... openAI calls eat up my credit card too LMAOOOOOOOO

nah just for fun

no scale

just a demo

to show I can make a nice backend 🙂

the project has a backend

😅

it's a whole thing where you upload big law cases and fact sheets and you (hopefully) you get a nice report

[ornate cliff]

☝🏼 @cedar nebula

ye ye

it's like a research tool

ya some law PDFs are fkn huge and I'm embedding them and querying against them

yeah that's why I have my own vector DB and embeddings

[swift falcon]

this shit right here tbh

[ornate cliff]

yeah pinecone LMAO

yeah it would be crazy and there is no way to save a pdf you've already parsed.. that's why I'm using embeddings in a vector db

last thing my partner and I are trying to do is make rock solid prompts so it's actually useful... right now the outputs are like 60% useful

I have another API call for ingesting docs

where the input is a pdf

what kind of req?

splits the doc into text blocks and stores them into pinecone

oh nothing you just upload your PDF

and then you have an option to select it by filename and query against it

so text is converted to numbers essentially and stored as vectors

so that you can ask questions about it using gpt

yeah happens in the backend

and it takes a while

separate functions for all of those

and they're all called in the API call

yeah

everything is on app engine

wdym? pinecone is cloud hosted

nah embeddings are generated using opanai API

like starlust said

yee

👌🏼 👌🏼 👌🏼

great explanation that's exactly right

yeah book embedding is one and done, then you can do as many future queries as you want

instead of putting the whole book's text into every query

just embed

yeah and I have integrations tests as well

it works 👌🏼

yee

it works end to end

yeah it's the new meta LOOOOL

Chroma is cool too

finetuning is sort of a "continuation" of everything it's trained on already

whereas I want to "restrict" it to the book

[rain patio]

same lol

we got blockchain and now lang chain? what's lang chain!?

[ornate cliff]

Ohhhhh i see what you mean

ya I have no fkn clue how to do that

but also I'm using GPT 4 since in theory it's the "best"

in case real lawyers were to use this

I actually wanted to do soemthing similar

download every case file ever

and train a model

but legal docs are gatekept super hard

ya but there's no open standard or API to download them

or access them

in Canada it's impossible

[obsidian crater]

Canuckistan

[ornate cliff]

couple of firms run the most popular legal DBs and they gatekeep hard

LMAO canlii

goodluck

I've tried trust me

the issue is a big part of a lawyers workflow is looking at previous cases

depending on the field it's a BIG part

well one of the inputs is previous/relevant law cases... lawyers have to download manually

🙃

[obsidian crater]

when you guys start this company

I'll be your CEO

[ornate cliff]

yeah could easily work for clients as well

LOOOOOOOOOOOL facts

well that database would be useless

I need a db of court cases 😂

ok ok I see

make the clients do the work 😍

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[obsidian crater]

you'll finally be able to buy a home in Canada

[ornate cliff]

watchu making

[ornate cliff]

I'm trying to escape canada

[obsidian crater]

Is Canada that bad?

Isn't it one of the best countries to live in?

[ornate cliff]

no jobs no homes no future gg

LETS

FUCKING

GOOOOO

LOOOOOOOL but youre still getting user input?

wtf that's sick

Facts 😭

[ornate cliff]

it is... but the meta for home buying right now is wait till you hit some inheritance money.... not good

[rain patio]

bro why can't they just build more homes in canada. they have tons of land...and trees...and it would create jobs too

[obsidian crater]

They don't want to

^

Literally same thing going on in Australia

[rain patio]

i can't wait for the market to crash again 😂

[ornate cliff]

that would decrease GDP and fuck people's retirement plans (their homes)

[obsidian crater]

Big af country with barely 30 million people

But housing shortage and median home price is like 800K AUD

Nah even Europe has a huge housing shortage, Germany eastern europe et al

[ornate cliff]

similar to Canada everyone wants to live in 2 maybe 3 cities

[obsidian crater]

But Asia has a lot of public housing for sure I agree

Aus has more big cities than Canada though

When I think of Canada, I think of Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, Calgary and Edmonton maybe

Aus I think of Sydney, Brisbane, Canberra, Perth, Melbourne

So I guess it's not much better LOL

[rain patio]

the idea of housing as an investment is dumb smh

[obsidian crater]

Aus is richer than Canada though

Because they actually use their natural resources and export them

Unlike Trudeau who is like Nooo we can't export oil from Alberta cause we are environmentalists

tbf

only English speaking countries are experiencing immigration

Ain't nobody but refugees moving to Italy or Spain

They have 30% youth unemployment

South Europe economy is basically in the gutter

Ageing population, low salaries and low productivity

I mean it does though

Canada takes in 250K PRs + TFWs and other immigrants per year

They don't build anywhere enough housing

[ornate cliff]

Germany is kinda fucked

[obsidian crater]

zoning laws suck yeah

even netherlands has a huge housing crisis

something like 35% of all homes in Utretcht were bought by investors

🪢

probably because investors

people don't have to live in homes for people to bid for them

how

If there are 500K people in a city and 500K homes

If blackrock buys 300K homes

boom

housing shortage

a lot

in vancouver iirc

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/housing-investors-canada-bc-1.6743083

something like 1/3rd of all vancouver homes are investor owned

It's under 1%

Because demand is so high

Canada's population growth rate is close to African countries

2.9% in 2023

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/230927/dq230927a-eng.htm

well yeah and Canada isn't able to build enough

they never will with how much immigration there is

ehh 7% of Canadian labor force works in construction, twice than that of the US

either they suck or something else lol

cause home prices are lower in the US

I mean I agree zoning is a problem

But it's not gonna change lol

Politicians are owned by corpos

how do corpos not benefit

if I am a corpo and I own 500 homes and they go from $500K each to $2 million each, how do I not benefit?

Most of Canadian industry is oligopolies anyway with 0 innovation or competition

they already pay peanuts in Canada

true

non real estate corpos want cheaper housing

we should place a bet on whether housing prices in Canada continue to increase

I'm not sure

they're not affordable at all though

home prices have to drop by 800K to be affordable in GTA

They're like 1.3 million

they're not gonna drop by 800k though

it's gonna be like manhattan

expensive

hmm

[swift falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/wanna-kill-myself-the-office-michael-scott-steve-carell-frustrated-gif-13414030

[obsidian crater]

yeah rip them

[swift falcon]

they it deserve tbh

[obsidian crater]

good if it improves

[unreal rampart]

2 months ago

[willow sedge]

anyone got advice for an interview with a coo?

[cloud zinc]

are you interviewing a pigeon?

[willow sedge]

bruh 😭

[fallen fox]

most sane 2023 ng posting

[obsidian crater]

lmao

I mean I think that's ok

But the other stuff is nuts

[ebon summit]

such as?

[obsidian crater]

Proven track record building highly available and highly scalable systems

[burnt orchid]

"founded a company"

[ebon summit]

I know people who have done it

theh founded a company is a bit much tho

[grizzled bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-a-scam-bitconnect-coin-cryptocurrency-mining-the-bitconnectcoin-community-gif-14481965

[obsidian crater]

They basically want a senior engineer

Depends on what "complex" design really is

[fallen fox]

https://boards.greenhouse.io/alchemy/jobs/4330447005

"new grad"

[grizzled bronze]

description says "new grab engineer"

[fallen fox]

[obsidian crater]

It's Alchemy

[grizzled bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-dwight-alchemy-gif-5324352

[obsidian crater]

It's the de facto web3 dev platform

aka the 10 billion evaluation is just hype

I used their wallet for a few projects

It's so slow

They want a new grad to design a low latency system cause they can't make it themselves

[pure flower]

wheres the 2022 new grads who havent gotten a job yet

[bold pier]

New?

[pure flower]

yeah!

lmao

[bold pier]

Bro you're expired and decomposed

[pure flower]

thank you man i know

[bold pier]

all jk, hope you get something soon

[pure flower]

dec 2022 so basically 2023

took a few months off of applying. which was a mistake apparently

[limpid monolith]

rofl this is actually me

[craggy jacinth]

gpa?

High gpa: overqualified, will likely leave after 2 months -> reject
Low gpa: probably has bad work ethics -> reject
Medium gpa: nothing stood out from this candidate -> reject

[burnt orchid]

no gpa: risk taker, might make a new menu item -> hired

[craggy jacinth]

Whoever came up with the Grimace Milkshake was a marketing genius

[quartz snow]

we're all here

all 3 of us

[pure flower]

stay strong bro

[quartz snow]

im tryin

we gotta catch a break at some point

surely

[tardy geode]

OR

[pulsar mural]

[pure flower]

https://tenor.com/view/never-give-up-fist-pump-motivation-motivational-gif-4892451

[forest elk]

yakhina

[oblique harbor]

Starting my first job as a college grad in the morning. Fully remote too. Can't wait.

[neon panther]

what company

[rain patio]

Fr his birthday apparently lasted two months

[oblique harbor]

I'd rather not say here. It's a super small startup with no funding. DM me if you're really curious.

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[solemn spire]

Tc?

[ornate cliff]

Where did dr crud go

[swift falcon]

he cums and goes

linkedin dry af today

[swift falcon]

it has spoken

[vapid oasis]

Rise and grind everyone

Wait what position

Also what’s ur experience

To get the apple phone

Damn

U gotta be cracked

I think u can look at the threads

In the 2023 and 2024

[tribal rampart]

Got you thanks

[vapid oasis]

Gl!!

[pulsar mural]

[fossil jewel]

idiota

[grizzled bronze]

genio

[pulsar mural]

geniota

[pine topaz]

injitinious

[pulsar mural]

bwc (big white c-)

[grizzled bronze]

geniota is not a word 🤦‍♂️

[tardy geode]

Man fuck recruiters who tell you "oh nice , thhats great blah blah and shit . then also oh we want someone to join early . sends an update saying hey we want to move forward i will setup/schedule your first round soon... then goes on to ghost" . Its so demotivating

it breaks my heart , as an international student such things break our souls

i had a similar situation and was grinding very very hard since the past few days

today i feel anxious scared and sad. i feel like crying

[ebon summit]

dude I've had that happen so many time

[ebon summit]

you can cry bestie

sometimes it's ok to

no shame in it

[raven warren]

I will always stand by this, crying is good for you

I always feel better after crying

[tardy geode]

suppose you get a recruiters email , you know you are looking for SWE positions but you don't find the matching ones on their careers page . So how would you draft an emai l ?

like i am in a situation where i don't know what position is the recruiter recruiting for but i wanna shoot an email to them

[grizzled bronze]

you could ask them nicely if they could forward your email to the right person if they're not recruiting for that role

[tardy geode]

oh okay and subject line could be this ? - Seeking SWE roles at X | Available Immediately

and also attach my resume ?

[grizzled bronze]

that's good

always attach resume

[gaunt forum]

Hey anyone has idea about tiktok backend sde role interview? Whats the level of leetcode questions asked and overall difficulty ??

[rustic light]

lc hard

[steep cove]

[willow sedge]

none of the companies that reached out to me to schedule an interview have responded with a time yet 😭 i know its only monday morning but..

[oblique harbor]

First day of work is going great! Got my work email and my project assignment. I'm going to be working with AI which is very exciting.

Only downside of this job is that there is no funding and I'll be paid in "future money" once the company gets funding, but other than that, I'm excited to learn and contribute to a product I genuinely believe in.

[neon panther]

are you paid in cash at all?

[gleaming trellis]

Sounds like a volunteer position?

[oblique harbor]

For the time being. I will get paid eventually. They said they're going into debt by hiring me but that they will repay me one way or the other, just not now.

I'm looking for other jobs but this should hold me over until then.

[foggy basin]

how are they going into debt if they arent even paying you yet

[rain swan]

apple and tesla ?? damnnn bro is cracked

[tribal rampart]

not really bro

[oblique harbor]

Because they owe me money. If your friend buys you lunch because you left your credit card at home and have no cash on you, you are in debt to them - you will need to repay them when you have access to your money.

Same analogy here. I am working for this company but they don't have money to pay me so they're in debt - they will need to repay me when they get the money.

[willow sedge]

wut if they don’t?

[foggy basin]

did you sign a contract for a certain number being given to you eventually?

startups have a tendecy to fuck ppl over if theres no contracts

[round lake]

Anyone had interview with Walmart for SDEII position?

[whole roost]

The collective wrath of cscd shall descend upon them

[glossy gust]

bro slowly discovering hes being scammed

[rain patio]

Unless what they promised u is in paper, u are getting robbed my boy

[forest elk]

these guys are haters dont believe them

yuo will be paid in the future

no one knows when

but one day for sure

[slender axle]

Anyone know why companies leave their applications open so long after they're done hiring? Like netflix got enough applications in week 1, so why is the post still up?

[oblique harbor]

Yes.

[oblique harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/lazy-people-beavis-mike-judge's-beavis-and-butt-head-s2-e4-inefficient-individuals-gif-5426475236853891324

[slender axle]

yeah but i don't think people have gotten OA's from past a certain point

they must still have thousands of candidates

[oblique harbor]

Then I will take legal action because I signed a contract that says they will pay me eventually.

[foggy basin]

i really do hope it works out for you, its just these contracts are never written to favor you

it typically ends up being an elborate to get free labor

they shouldnt be hiring ppl if they dont have money, like thats the first red flag in a compant

expending resources they dont even own?

[tardy geode]

is linkedin extremely dry today? filled with only dice , robert half shit?

[ornate cliff]

already? did they JUST post?

[fallen fox]

why do recruiters reject using their personal emails

[grizzled bronze]

in september

[fallen fox]

i thought i got an interview but naah

[slender axle]

imagine this is the top qualification of the recruiter who denied you ^

[fallen fox]

got rejected by a ex front desk supervisor

sadge i should really rope

[grizzled bronze]

it's just a rejection, doesn't matter what their prior experience was

[swift falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/wanna-kill-myself-the-office-michael-scott-steve-carell-frustrated-gif-13414030

[swift falcon]

dry af

I can’t go through this much longer

I might die of heartbreak

[obsidian crater]

same buddy

it's so joe ver

[grizzled bronze]

Salesforce opened new grad for 12/2022 and 5/2023 grads https://salesforce.wd12.myworkdayjobs.com/en-US/Futureforce_NewGradRoles/job/Software-Engineering-AMTS_JR223439

[fallen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/delete-erase-not-worth-forget-it-clean-slate-gif-8510937

[hollow flicker]

It's crazy how joever it is

[fallen fox]

haven't seen you in a while

you're working FT though right

[hollow flicker]

indeed i am just grinding in hell

[hollow flicker]

turned out to be a slave job where you dont program and just work with their terrible software for building grant forms. I am working on signing up for omcs

[obsidian crater]

rip

[fallen fox]

[hollow flicker]

its all good omcs will save me

UIUC will saveme

[fallen fox]

instantly rejected

[hollow flicker]

howw

JOEVER
JOEVER

[obsidian crater]

JOEVER

[grizzled bronze]

oh because you're international

[hollow flicker]

intl is fucking joever im so sorry

[past hound]

International is actually joever, I am so sorry for you.

[hollow flicker]

fr fr i pray for you

even tho i not religious

[obsidian crater]

Idk if it's international

Salesforce sponsors

[past hound]

That has been open tbf

[grizzled bronze]

it was restricted to salesforce interns/alumni the last time I saw it, this one doesn't have that restriction

[fallen fox]

did you application go through

[obsidian crater]

yes

[fallen fox]

[obsidian crater]

Maybe graduation date?

[fallen fox]

says dec 2022/may 2023 so i put 2022 as my grad date

im going to reapply with a different email

[obsidian crater]

eh

probably just gonna get ghosted

[past hound]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Always worth it to apply

[obsidian crater]

yup

already did

[fallen fox]

REJECTED AGAIN

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-shocked-monkey-disappointed-disappointed-monkey-gif-25631537

[willow sedge]

ur gonna get blacklsited with differnt emails lmao

[past hound]

nvm, they auto reject based on grad date

[hollow flicker]

yeah this is diff actually i didnt have apps in it

and i had apps in other ones

[past hound]

They reposted it

[hollow flicker]

shit really

ugh

[past hound]

I applied to it again, and ate auto reject

For grad date probably

[hollow flicker]

No auto reject for me

guess cuz my grad date is techinically august

must be

[obsidian crater]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-26881270

[past hound]

At this point, I am just praying my offer pans out

Don't really expect to get another one

but still gonna apply more because whatever, you never know

[slender axle]

Google really playing with me. Got an ad on youtube for google SWE roles that don't exist 🥲

[mystic pollen]

i keep getting these too 😂

[past hound]

psyops

[vapid oasis]

damn I got auto rejected

[fathom dagger]

Folks it's been a year since I graduated with a bachelor's in comp sci

Starting to give up

[vapid oasis]

I graduated on june 15

[vapid oasis]

going to be in the same boat soon

uhhhhh

[whole roost]

Just gotta find something else and keep grinding skills/projects on the side

Basically stay ready for any opportunity, esp when the market improves in the future

[fossil jewel]

instant reject, guess its bc i already work or bc i put nyc

[whole roost]

The only way you won't get your foot in the door at some point is if you give up completely

[cloud zinc]

Anyone got sent an "invite" to amazon's internship OA but never received the official OA link?

[tardy geode]

💀

[cloud zinc]

I got an email on October 3rd from amazon about an OA that would be sent on the same day, but I never got it.

Now I'm getting another invite to an amazon OA that will supposively be sent out this week.

Anyone else experienced this tomfoolery?

[grizzled bronze]

or maybe when they reposted they forgot to add it's still only for prior interns/alumni

[fathom dagger]

The thing is it's been a year since I graduated and I see no light at the end of the tunnel

[gleaming trellis]

Did you recruiter get back to you regarding your offer?

[gloomy terrace]

wait so is it not a legit posting?

[past hound]

Meeting got pushed to tomorrow

[gleaming trellis]

Oh my, that is not a good sign

[gleaming trellis]

They probably discussing whether to give you the offer in the last minute

[whole roost]

I feel you, can always take a break and try again. But the alternative is doing nothing and never breaking into the industry. Best of luck my friend

[pulsar mural]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-shush-shh-ok-bird-gif-17679708

[fossil jewel]

[past hound]

Idk

Given I already have a verbal offer, and I have yet to heard anyone else get a offer, I think the chances are low they will rescind.

[grizzled bronze]

yeah ignore that person tbh

[past hound]

Yea, recruiter keeps saying they really want me

Like not even indirectly

Literally "They want you"

[grizzled bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/shh-cats-gif-10955612

[gleaming trellis]

Another possibility is that they decided not hire anyone

[grizzled bronze]

bro, why do you just keep spreading fud

[past hound]

🔫 No negative thoughts, only positivity.

[vague dune]

I have an interview in 2 days for a software position at a big store that ends in "Mart". Got the interview through nepotism/daddy's connections.

Wish me luck

[gleaming trellis]

Ok I do hope you get the offer

[forest elk]

bro is a menace

[mystic pollen]

technically a verbal offer isn't a real offer

i wouldn't worry about it though since it won't change anything but be prepared for anything

good luck 🙏

[forest elk]

you'll get the offer dw

[tardy geode]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-19410756

[slender axle]

Yeah it’s nothing till you sign the paper. Same thing happened to my Bloomberg last year

Got verbal then it fell through

[mystic pollen]

yeah i just don't like giving people false hope cuz i got the actual letter and signed it but im still having problems with it and haven't started so i'd imagine it's even worse if they're delaying the official offer

better to expect the worst and hope for the best

i was expecting everything to be fine and now i'm behind in recruiting

[slender axle]

Yes. And it gives you a reason to keep applying

Better than not applying and deadlines pass to apply

[mystic pollen]

yeah exactly

[vital meteor]

I want you too

[gleaming trellis]

So basically you even signed the offer letter but no start date has been given?

[mystic pollen]

i did have a start date but team matching failed and ive since perpetually been in team matching because there's no new grad hc

[vapid oasis]

Nah u got the offer!!!! It’ll come tmrw.

[hollow flicker]

this is me

just some solidarity

[indigo storm]

Dont count on it

I learned this the hard way

[swift falcon]

dead in the water tbh

we all dead in the water

[fathom dagger]

It's so depressing

Going on linkedin is fucked

Oh my

For a split second, I was like oh damn okay

[swift falcon]

associates 😎

[slender axle]

Anybody know some people who cheated on their OA’s? I know a CS fraternity that did their OA’s as a group last year and they are all now working at FAANG+ companies. Idk I’m just feeling resentful that some people did that and beat out people who put in honest effort

[oblique harbor]

Karma will catch up to the cheaters

[swift falcon]

no it won’t

[fathom dagger]

They got in

It doesn't matter

[slender axle]

Will it though? Because let’s say they get piped in 6 months. At that point they have faang on their resume and 100k In the bank

[fathom dagger]

We're just whining here jobless

While they actually have a job and living their lives

[slender axle]

Also FAANG trains new grads probably better than someone grinding at a small company