2023_grads

[delicate lantern]

And then

Reject with we proceeded with other candidates who are better aligned

Like huh

Startup company asked leetcode hard

40 mins

[foggy basin]

they might just be further in the pipeline to get hired @delicate lantern

[delicate lantern]

No it was legit the last interview

[foggy basin]

i feel like thats true

[delicate lantern]

So masters or nah?

[gloomy terrace]

Ok so wtf is the move

[pseudo wagon]

lmao I also got that rejection email rn 😔 ```
Thank you for your interest in the Associate Platform Developer - R1572229 at Bristol Myers Squibb. After careful deliberation, we have reevaluated the needs of the department and we regret to inform you that the position has been cancelled. In the future, if a new position opens up we encourage you to apply.

Thank you,

Talent Acquisition Team.

[gloomy terrace]

Is big tech gonna open this year

[delicate lantern]

I pray it goes well you got this brother

[lost ether]

2025

[gloomy terrace]

Rip

Won’t even be a new grad then

[polar grail]

🤷‍♂️

if amazon didnt post new grad

[gloomy terrace]

Fuck it I’ll cold email more bb recruiters

[polar grail]

it over

[delicate lantern]

And then when you get in and are interviewing me don’t ask me anything besides leetcode

[gloomy terrace]

Really could’ve done without this palantir reject

[delicate lantern]

Oh yeah I got first round of bb coming up

[static quarry]

@gloomy terrace who are u

[gloomy terrace]

dude idc i need to go back to big tech

im not at either rn 😭

[delicate lantern]

Oh yeah my friend who worked at Amazon said they fired to much and now are trying to rehire those people

So skip is reaching out to those people

Also lebum are you working or have other offers 👀?

[gloomy terrace]

yeah im working rn

but grind dont stop lmao

[gleaming trellis]

How long was the position posted?

[fallen fox]

july/august

[swift falcon]

dw they'll repost a new position tomorrow with 95% of same requirements

[delicate lantern]

What company?

[vague dune]

Google has a bunch of new grad/entry level roles for their offices in Taiwan, Mexico, and India. They also added a new grad PM role to their careers page today. if any of you are ok relocating to a new country in this horrible job market, Google might be a good company to apply to.

[frosty bison]

I looked it up in hopes of moving to Mexico, but it says I need a Mexican citizenship

[vague dune]

The job postings in Taiwan and India offer VISA sponsorship. Good catch about the Mexico one.

[tardy geode]

i am on severance until the end of this month so its okay to put Start Month - Oct 2023 as the date in my resume for my latest. firm(The sweatshop)?

[fossil jewel]

yes

bro can lie to a degreee

[tardy geode]

what ?

so this recruiter asked me "I see you worked until October , what happened" i just said I got laid off

she didnt ask me what my last date was

i had applied with that Oct 2023 end date resume

and she had that with her during the call

close to 5 months

[foggy basin]

what company if u dont mind

[tardy geode]

i can't reveal that tbh , but i can say its a sweatshop

[foggy basin]

okie, gl on ur search

[tardy geode]

i am getting better response if i put my end date already

coz

companies want someone who can join quickly

and I feel that being on severance even companies know the person can join immediately

i mean like big tech gives like 3 months of severance

so its def possible they can join before their end date right ?(which would be like the last day of severance)

or i can maybe say that my severance got extended if things go haywire

i mean i am thinking way too ahead

but just a thought

[mellow glade]

[tardy geode]

x 1000

[mellow glade]

need some copium. someone tell me its not joever

[rain patio]

2021 and pre pandemic was probably the best time to graduate 😭

It's kind of sad reading forum posts from the 2010s where people complain about being asked fizzbuzz or something 😭

Now we get leetcode hards

[mellow glade]

at least you guys are getting interviews 😭

[rain patio]

Not me 😭

[ornate cliff]

interviews?

what are those?

[rain patio]

Okay, I had 1 interview but that's it lol

[ornate cliff]

I had 1 in May

That's it

[minor lagoon]

what are you going to do

aren't we expired goods soon

[ornate cliff]

I think so

I'm not sure

kinda panicking

[vague dune]

Has anyone here completed the technical evaluation for Revature's entry level software engineer position? What was it like/how difficult was it? Is reviewing the study guide enough? https://sites.google.com/revature.com/studyguide/home?authuser=0

I know Revature has a bad rep (tons of name and shame posts on r/cscareerquestions) but the job market is so bad I'm willing to pursue a role there.

[tardy geode]

don't they bind you on some long ass contract?

also are you US or international?

[vague dune]

I don't think so? I think its just 1 year contract and then you decide if you wanna work more or not. I might just work there one year for the resume padding and then go somewhere else.

I'm US citizen

[tardy geode]

oh

[solemn spire]

dont they require you to do some weeks of training first?

[vague dune]

I think so. Since I have both a bachelor's and master's degree in technical areas and multiple internships, I will see if I can skip the training when I talk to my recruiter.

At any rate, if anyone has taken the technical evaluation for them, feel free to let me know how tough you found it (without revealing any of the questions and answers of course)

[solemn spire]

what year are you?

[vague dune]

Already graduated. Unemployed college graduate like many others here sadly

[solemn spire]

im actually considering this choice too. im down bad

[vague dune]

Yea. I've heard bad things about working at Revature, but honestly, being unemployed with a degree is worse.

Have you taken their technical evaluation yet?

[solemn spire]

I havent even applied. I heard they put you on a role and if you leave you gotta pay a fine or something

[minor lagoon]

also i think they make people sign an nda about the contract so stuff you read online about it might not be true

[vague dune]

My recruiter sent me a link to a Youtube playlist with revature testimonials earlier today - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeyCgZOveY59q-9vBhAf2WuEF3fURXIK-

[solemn spire]

So its like bootcamp?

[minor lagoon]

thats the first part

Revature is a recruiting company that takes college graduates (any degree) and trains them in a tech stack, IE web development, app development, salesforce, etc. They make money by having these trained individuals work for another company (many fortune 500 like banks and so on) and after 1-2 years, the company can hire the employee if the company so chooses.

I think this was a long time coming. If you read online, there's talk about a 'staging' place which is essentially limbo. Since you sign a contract, it costs tens of thousands to quit your job at Revature, so when you're stuck in staging (you failed to get your first job) you sit around for 2~ years making minimum wage until you either get mapped to a company, or Revature decides you are un-hireable

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1452928-revature-has-huge-hiring-freeze-and-fires-tons-of-workers-original-story/

[slender axle]

So for anyone who did on campus interviews, how did that work? I imagine they just sat outside of operating systems class and waited for people to walk out 🤣

Because I hear about people getting on campus interviews from my school, but I never saw these companies on campus when I was in school

[vague dune]

I had an on campus interview. I met the company at my university's career fair and the recruiter said he'd let me know if I got selected for an on campus interview. That night, he called me and we scheduled a time for the interview. The interview took place in a meeting room at my university's engineering building the very next day.

[solemn spire]

relocation to train with client?

[vague dune]

Relocation to work for the client. The training is done remotely

I was actually sent a 15 minute video about the interview and hiring/salary process. I can't access it anymore, otherwise I'd share it here

[slender axle]

Oof. I made the mistake of talking to the campus ambasador rather than the actual recruiter for Palantir at the career fair. Found out later he had no idea what the process was and he just got a free day off work when I asked him on linkedin

[solemn spire]

why can you access it anymore?

[slender axle]

I think they were doing it then too...

[vague dune]

idk the link is invalid. I will post it here if I can access it again.

[solemn spire]

I wonder at what point they will make you sign contract

[vague dune]

I interviewed at another place too and there's another career fair at my university next week. If I get anything other than revature, I'm gonna take it. I'll only take the revature offer if I get nothing else, which day by day seems more likely

[rain patio]

Revature sounds like a scam 😭

I was approached by them, but i could make more working at a buffet than what they were going to pay me for their full time training thing

[vague dune]

The training is only for a few weeks though. Once they pair you up with a client for full-time software dev work, you'll get paid a lot more.

[rain patio]

Has Revature been able to get people jobs in these trying times?

[whole roost]

I've heard even these WITCH companies are struggling to secure contracts atm

idk about the situation specifically at Revature tho

[tardy geode]

bro what

[whole roost]

ive read a few comments on reddit/blind so dont take it as 100% true

[solemn spire]

yea WITCH cant find much contracts so im curious about when the revature will ask you to sign the contract with them. If its before we even know of client then its messed up.

[obsidian crater]

lol yeah my dad is a PM at TCS and he told me not to return to India because even his company is struggling to find contracts for entry level

He got some work but he also has ~30 yoe

[rain patio]

Revature was too sketchy for me lol. I read through the study guude that they gave me for Java, and there were so many spelling mistakes. Everything was terribly explained, too. If I hadn't known Java already, I'd be so lost

[mystic pollen]

sounds scammy

wheres the incentive for them to actually help u secure a job

[obsidian crater]

They take a cut of your pay I think

At least first year

[mystic pollen]

no way

that reminds me of music industry slave contracts 💀

obviously nowhere as bad but damn i've never heard of another company taking a share of ur pay like that before

[willow sedge]

music industry is fked

[whole roost]

time to become a musician

[proper violet]

hey I don't know if this the right channel, but I've been grinding for new grad roles as an August grad and like twice I've made it to the final(non-coding round at decent places and still haven't gotten an offer. I took a job in IT to pay the bills but idk what my strategy should be

got rejected from a really nice job after the final round, it just sucks

I switched into CS late in college, and idk if my lack of experience is pulling me down. I did an SRE internship and coded a lot, but it wasn't officially swe

[obsidian crater]

you are fine

the market is not

[dry viper]

Is there hope if your resume is really bad? I just need to get past the resume screening, and I think I can take it from there

[willow sedge]

i don’t recommend lmao

[tardy geode]

time to start OnlyFans

[mellow glade]

As I see it, grad school is a big reset button right now. Become fresh again, another chance to apply early if you were too lazy before. Also, hopefully a decent market when you graduate again.

[proper violet]

yeah its expensive tho ngl

but i wonder if the online programs like georgia tech would do the trick

[mellow glade]

Georgia tech is 10k if you do it online. I think that’s relatively affordable

[proper violet]

lol

[mellow glade]

Yup exactly

[proper violet]

whats the barrier to entry for gtech if you know?

[mellow glade]

No idea

[proper violet]

ok cool, I've heard (not so sure how true it is) that its like above a 3 with three recs is good

to do or get?

its def a tough school

[dry viper]

Same, I graduated and too burnt to do anything

no, mit, but similar

[mellow glade]

Damn!

[proper violet]

yeah damn

[dry viper]

not damn lol. still dying

[mellow glade]

Damn.

Just getting the CS degree with hard enough as is. Though tbf I could’ve worked way harder. I was burnt out from highschool IB

[radiant jewel]

#2023_grads message 🤨

[mellow glade]

I’ve gotten rejected from leidos like 5 times now, 4 of which I used a referral lmao

[dry viper]

gpa's poor and didnt do internships because way, way too dead. so my resumes doo doo.

[mellow glade]

Ur just like me fr

[radiant jewel]

same

[obsidian crater]

how are you MIT

but bad resume

you have imposter syndrome probably

[dry viper]

kinda too scared to even apply ngl, so if youre applying you've got that going for you

[mellow glade]

I used to think my GPA was holding me back. Now I realize everyone else is just way better than me at everything

[proper violet]

apply dude

[dry viper]

i dont think mit can just turn a doo doo resume into okay just because the name

[proper violet]

side projects help if you can code

at least try something

[dry viper]

yes, i can code. i just need to get past the resume screening

[gentle oriole]

Im in a similar-ish position but maybe slightly better

Dm me

[obsidian crater]

idk what you mean by trash resume

you have 0 internships?

0 projects?

[mellow glade]

I used to be like that. So I set a daily goal of like 5 a day which really helped. Imo even 5 a day is way way way too low atp

[proper violet]

even non-SWE stuff would be better than nothing

to put

[mellow glade]

@dry viper post ur resume in the resume channel :)

How many apps do y’all do a day?

[dry viper]

naw, thats embarassing bro 😂

[gentle oriole]

Do you really go to mit then or are you trolling?

[proper violet]

just cross ur name out or something

[dry viper]

not trolling, and graduated last month

[mellow glade]

Brother nobody knows you so it’s ok 😭

You are just another face on the internet

Wait did he do MASTERS at MIT or undergrad

[dry viper]

undergrad

unless youre not talking about me

[mellow glade]

Yea u

[dry viper]

no, i just did undergrad. and i never did masters

[mellow glade]

I don’t think he ever said he did masters lmao

He just popped in lmfaooo

And everyone assumed

[minor lagoon]

i have a lot of friends that are doing omscs at georgia tech but what do i do if i dont have any rec letters

[dry viper]

oh shoot, sorry is this wrong channel

[mellow glade]

Nah lmao

[minor lagoon]

my gpa is 3.2

[mellow glade]

Work at 7/11 and ask ur boss for one

Realistically just ask professors and such

[minor lagoon]

like just hit one up even if i barely talked to then in class

[dry viper]

What do you mean by projects? Like larger projects or just class projects?

[mellow glade]

Yup. Professors (especially the really well known ones) are pretty used to writing rec letters. They can write a one with whatever they know about you

[obsidian crater]

personal or class or anything

by MIT you mean the one in Massachussets and not Mickeymouse Institute of Trolling™️ right?

[mellow glade]

Surely MIT sets up their undergrads with at least 1-2 projects that they can put on their resume

[dry viper]

yes

[minor lagoon]

do you have any good rec for grad school that isnt omscs at georgia tech

[mellow glade]

What’s wrong with omscs at Georgia tech

[minor lagoon]

its fine but i was wondering if i could apply for spring 2024

since georgia tecg apps are closed for then

[mellow glade]

Any opinions on UCF as a grad school?

[minor lagoon]

only open for fall 2024

[obsidian crater]

spring 2024 stuff is closed

[minor lagoon]

oh

[obsidian crater]

grad admissions start super early

most in person for fall 2024 open in october

[minor lagoon]

ighto

[mellow glade]

One year from now ☹️

[obsidian crater]

well you get results by february or march typically

[proper violet]

if I drop my resume in the resume channel, would y'all mind critiquing it?

[ornate cliff]

tag me and I'll roast

[proper violet]

thanks

[tardy geode]

Google did another layoffs wtf

these folks will be on a 3 month severance i think

fuc

[swift falcon]

ima be real

what about me landing on my feet

[swift falcon]

when will i get a job?

https://tenor.com/view/nuts-anton-cigurh-no-country-for-old-men-gif-27499167

call it

[whole roost]

For what?

[swift falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/anton-chigurh-anton-javier-bardem-no-country-for-old-men-gif-22022371

[grizzled bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons8ball-deez-nuts-8ball-make-a-wish-merps-gif-26138412

[swift falcon]

don’t mess wit da 8 ball

i ardy asked it

[whole roost]

Such a goated movie man

Coen brothers are so good

[swift falcon]

for sure i just randomly watched it last week

it’s super vibe a licious

I want to be javier bardem

[golden agate]

what's the most you've ever lost in a job interview?

[proper violet]

A lot lol tbh especially after going through the final round

[golden agate]

you've been putting up with it your whole life, you just didn't know it

[fallen fox]

https://www.reddit.com/r/csMajors/comments/17aex6z/new_grad_job_hunt_helpadvice_needed/

[vapid oasis]

Nah I feel some ppl just troll

Either that or something is wrong with his resume

[proper violet]

I mean there are places that hire overqualified people

ahh fair

[swift falcon]

bro just like me fr

[ebon summit]

I've had some start ups get really pissed off at me

for wanting to work for them coming from big tech

had one yell at me

[proper violet]

why?

wouldn't they want big tech talent?

actually I can see both sides of that argument, but still experience is experience

[ebon summit]

idk

he just seemed to really not like the fact

and was really rude the whole time during the interview

[vague dune]

Quick question y'all. I'm applying for a job at a company. I applied for an internship at that same company three years ago. I interviewed but ultimately didn't get the job. I have the recruiter's name and email. But we haven't spoken since I got rejected from the internship.

For the question that asks how I heard about the company, should I put the recruiter's name down even though we haven't spoke in ages? or should I just say I found about the job from the company careers page? Either way, i will be emailing the recruiter once I've applied. The dropdown option I'd be selecting is "Referred by Recruiter" and I wasn't technically referred to the position by the recruiter, but I do know the recruiter.

[burnt pendant]

The question, how did you find about this job, doesn’t affect your application much. It is only a datapoint for analysis within the company… like where are people coming from, how can they do better, etc.

It doesn’t matter if you select “Careers Page” or put your old recruiter’s name down.

Even if it does make a difference, when you’ll email your recruiter, it will already get the attention it needs. So either way, you’ll be okay

[rain patio]

I’m getting some wicked ideas at this point lol

time to mass post jobs on Linkedin and auto reject all candidates to make them rage quit

time to find a tech professional with the same name as me and copy their experience

time to stage a mugging of hiring managers and CEOs to save the day and get a job as thanks

[swift falcon]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=35&v=Y1da8PaR7Wk&feature=youtu.be

[pine topaz]

u should watch there will be blood n fargo

i think ull enjoy it

no country for old men is so good

[tardy geode]

when will this end

i am fed up

[proper violet]

Hey yagyastvooty of
)9-55 tub -$ gla ySA9 Au-$.g
The v

[rain patio]

u good big bro

[whole roost]

ya great films

[gentle oriole]

do companies realistically blacklist u if you renege?

[past hound]

I wouldn't be surprised

[gentle oriole]

im scared my offers will get rescinded in this market

and if i get more than one

i wanna accpet them all the renege

[past hound]

Accept only 2 then?

[gentle oriole]

im acting like i have any offers in hand

lmaooo

[past hound]

lol

[gentle oriole]

also

can u explain what

blahaj is

[past hound]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blåhaj

[tardy geode]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sad-gif-26415220

[fallen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/depression-sad-gif-14865417

[tardy geode]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/899113266909970432/1055386296564056085/cat.gif

[past hound]

You all will get offers, trust.

I never thought I would get one

in this market

until I did

[radiant jewel]

thats cuz you built diff

[obsidian crater]

I don't really believe I will get a good offer anymore

My current one is terrible

[past hound]

I just rolled enough dice to get lucky.

The biggest problem was getting companies to interview me

[radiant jewel]

same

[cloud zinc]

I am so fucking pissed over the lack of direction and results that I'm going to be jobless by my 24th birthday, two years after graduating

[gentle oriole]

Damn

Have you had a job since graduating

Or did you get laid off

[cloud zinc]

No job since graduating in 2022. There was an internship that was supposed to turn into a job but they went back on their word and kicked me out after the summer contract due to budget cuts

Thats how fucked this whole situation is

Like I can physically feel my employability and worth withering away by the second. The "resume" projects that I'm currently participating in won't be finished until the end of spring 2024

Which means I cannot reference this on my dusty resume until its completion.

[past hound]

Holy, I though I had it bad with 5 months after graduation finally getting a job. Two years and still no job? That is a big F.

[gentle oriole]

sounds likeits time for

omscs

[cloud zinc]

I am currently one year unemployed because I technically graduated in August 2022. But I can't seem to find any route that would guarentee a role

[cloud zinc]

Whats that

[gentle oriole]

ur doing ur masters rn?

[cloud zinc]

I had no other choice

[gentle oriole]

ur not in that bad a position then

and ur applying to new grad roles?

[cloud zinc]

But I need to consider crafting a research project that a company would be interested in. They scout for students a year in advance but my academic objectives are too vague to hook them

[gentle oriole]

bro just list ur projects as 2023-present

and list them anyway

[cloud zinc]

I cannot not apply for grad roles. And yet the team projects I'm participating in cannot be referenced until next year spring

So I'm applying for 2023/2024 fulltime roles with a resume that hasn't changed since 2022

I cannot change the dates because my resume only contains internships from 2020 and 2021

I am hunting for both full time and internships but have yet to hear back from my application

[past hound]

Yea, I gonna say, after a year, you have expired. You gotta do a masters at that point.

[cloud zinc]

But that fucking sucks tho because there is a guarentee that I'll be in the same boat after graduation from masters since the project would not garner any company attraction

[past hound]

Are you applying right now?

I didn't have any internships, but I had a project I created for actual clients. I think my interviewers liked to hear that.

[cloud zinc]

The side project might not be worth it tho because I already have internships that have teamwork experience. Plus I have no clients

Like the overall weight of the project would have to match up in order to be presentable

I would have to find someone interested in a personal project to be a stakeholder that I could reference to add it to my resume

[past hound]

To be fair, mine wasn't a personal project. I did a special swe class that was only offered that one semester (I don't think they are doing it again) where we created a project for actual clients who came to the university with ideas.

[cloud zinc]

Another reminder that my university ain't shit

[past hound]

We had like meetings weekly with our clients

whole agile type shit

I talked that project up so much

because I didn't have a internship to carry me

[cloud zinc]

Its such a shitty situation where I need work experience to get a job, but said experience HAS to reflect a literal job regardless of pay due to the nature of the masters program difficulty

But nobody is hiring a washed up grad.

[past hound]

Yea, it is seriously fucked.

Catch 22

[cloud zinc]

I can't even ask for advice with the university because they are botb clueless and want me to burn more money

I was thinking about dropping from the masters after the spring if I don't get an offer because of the student loan debt, but then what

[past hound]

^

Don't give up.

[cloud zinc]

A masters is much different from an undergrad degree though. Merely completing the masters doesn't satisfy the bare minimum for employment

Not as in "a degree will guarentee a job" sort of entitlement, but it is more like "companies expect more from a masters student's degree than just completing the program" like there are an endless amount of factors and variables from the capstone that will make or break a job offer post completion

Asides from learning NextJS and Prisma, none.

Couldn't find the time to learn it.

[gentle oriole]

What school did you go to that offers such insane classes

[past hound]

Flagship public school in my state, and no, not Berkeley.

[gentle oriole]

Ut Austin? Ga tech? Ann Arbor? Uiuc?

[past hound]

Nope

Nope of them

[gentle oriole]

Dm?

[unreal rampart]

Just saw someone post their summer 2025 internship 💀

[fierce wasp]

wtf

[fresh mango]

Nah sounds like a UCI thing

[past hound]

Nope.

[fresh mango]

They have some local companies come in and work on projects for a good 3 months too

[past hound]

Yea, that is basically what we did.

Different uni thiugh

it was a semester long project

[tardy geode]

All of this is happening coz of COVID

[narrow harbor]

im a dec 22 new grad getting rejected due to grad date

i didn't make it

im sorry mom and dad

[neon panther]

where u working?

[narrow harbor]

unemployed lol

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[fallen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[swift falcon]

WE ARE DEAD IN THE WATER

[past hound]

23 grads aren't expired good

< 1 year

[proper violet]

I made it to the final round for Ocient and thought I did really well on the process to be rejected at the end. Kinda sucks ngl

[past hound]

That OA was crazy

[plain bronze]

Definitely seems like all roles, especially entry level, are moving overseas

[solemn spire]

“we highly encourage you to apply for other opportunities” but as soon as I apply im auto rejected

https://tenor.com/view/clown-clown-meme-clown-makeup-clown-makeup-meme-gif-24590297

[plain bronze]

@swift falcon LOVE your icon 😭 love that movie

[proper violet]

I got a perfect score on the OA and they still rejected me at the end sad

I thought that would count for something

[past hound]

I ate reject after OA

[raven warren]

How many apps have you sent out?

[raven warren]

This is a true. The amazing market in years past, the huge layoffs and the slow market now

[proper violet]

Is it worth to apply to startups that ask you to email one of their employees on LinkedIn? Like would I even hear back?

Like they said they’re hiring

So I sent an email

[raven warren]

It’s okay. Eventually the cs grads will run out.
The average act score in the us has dropped to 19.5. Kids are getting dumber day by day

[sturdy forge]

Dang

[static quarry]

but more kids as population grows

so more cracked kids

[proper violet]

yeah that’s also fair ^

[raven warren]

Except pop growth is slowing down major

[rain patio]

Bro i think one of my roommates stole some of my milk. Time to buy a high precision scale and log the weight of all food items that I own lol

[proper violet]

So we wait , take any tech job we get and switch to swe when the ops open?

[raven warren]

I know for a fact my roomates have been using my utensils

[rain patio]

I hate roommmates 😭

[proper violet]

same

[rain patio]

I found a cheap place to live, but I have 8 roommates lol

[proper violet]

damn that’s a whole squadron

[rain patio]

Yeah lol

We have 2 fridges, but they're always full of stuff like soda and orange juice. One of my roommates gets 3 gallons of orange juice a week and drinks it all evwry week 😭

[proper violet]

that’s how u speedrun diabetes

[rain patio]

Bro probably thinks orange juice is a good substitute for vegetables

[proper violet]

there are 18 year olds writing good Rust, insane

[frozen thistle]

I heard that companies are detecting AI generated language in resumes, is this true?

[raven warren]

Most people are able to tell if it is ai generated or not anyway lol

[frozen thistle]

okay. I did not put fake bullet points but rewrote them in more impactful manner. lol

[proper violet]

yeah I’d be wary of copy pasting that even if just rewriting existing bullet points

But def use it to ur advantage

[swift falcon]

my teeth could never

the thought of drinking that much orange juice

jesus

[swift falcon]

my kids, if I can't make it as a SWE maybe I can give them a fighting chance for when they grow up 🥲

i hate to say this

but it's all about the parents

they need to take an active role in their child's education

[proper violet]

yup

[past hound]

Yea, my parents had the "school will teach me everything attitude", so they were super hands off on my education. I had to learn shit on my own.

Didn't even wanna teach me before grade K

[swift falcon]

I've already got my 9 year old thinking about college

[past hound]

Lol I wish my parents did that.

[grizzled bronze]

I feel more optimistic, they still have to take tests and teachers will be able to adapt and identify chatgpt cheaters

[past hound]

Cat and mouse game all over again

[swift falcon]

honestly, my parents were the same way, even though they were both college educated, they basically said 'as long as you're not a deadbeat idc' and then it hit me in my junior year of HS that I wasn't going to be able to go to the private college I wanted to for music because my grades were shit and my 'decent' act score wasn't going to matter (they wanted high grade point)

I feel like if they had a conversation with me in middle school like, "YOU NEED TO GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER AND TAKE SCHOOL SERIOUSLY" I wouldn't be where I am today

so trying to correct that for my kids, without being super overbearing

[proper violet]

tbh I feel like I’m relatively successful compared to the rest of my cohort; I have a job but not a swe one and can pay the bills. I blame this solely on not applying earlier last year and grinding leetcode

[past hound]

I didn't care about school until like middle school to early high school when I realized I wanted to do something with my life. They never taught me work ethic, I had to learn it myself. I don't plan to have kids, so I probably wouldn't pass on anything.

[swift falcon]

work ethic is key for sure

[raven warren]

It sounds like you are doing a good job.
My goal is for them to not be awful people

[swift falcon]

talent is helpful, but work ethic will get you places

[past hound]

I turned out ok

But still

Imagine if I had that drive earlier in my life

[proper violet]

That’s how I feel just wish I had the hunger earlier on not just grades

[spark nova]

My parents kept me on track till HS and then my drive disintegrated during UG, so idk what's right for a parent to do

[past hound]

I guess the good thing that came out of it is I can figure shit out for myself

Which is a important skill

[raven warren]

One of the most important, but hardest things is not to keep a child on track, but make it so they stay on track themselves

[spark nova]

Theory on this - very long context stuff will be hard and expensive for AI

By long context I mean where you have to key in inputs from multiple sources across 3-4 years on a problem to make progress.

[whole roost]

Yeah parental-induced work ethic doesnt really help if the inner drive isn't there. My parents were very strict so I was always scared of getting bad grades.

I put in a minimal amount of effort through elementary and high school, graduated valedictorian (my high school wasn't rigorous at all) and fell apart in uni when I realized I needed to work hard everyday and couldn't just wing it anymore.

My friends who were more intrinsically motivated did fine.

[raven warren]

I feel like innovation would slow greatly if that is the case.
All ai basically is a giant probability model. That might tend to learn to established solutions

[proper violet]

In theory, you could eliminate most jobs which would reduce overall consumption thereby actually causing a decrease in GDP paradoxically

like people would not be be agents in the market except for those who own the models

Yup

[spark nova]

sounds expensive to me xD
You would have agents solving sub probems but iterating on let's say some marketing tool for mining companies where you need to talk to 800 diff customers to figure out what to build, not sure how an LLM would do that

[proper violet]

There’s an incentive to make better models

That scale better

[raven warren]

This sounds like hell because we live in a capitalist world.
In a perfect world, ai would do everything, and people can do whatever they want. 100 per percent lesiure time. But as of rn, that won’t happen

[spark nova]

Problems like these are un-promptable imo, the solution grows from years of iteration with a bunch of customers in the loop.

[proper violet]

LLMs are the latifundia of the 21st century

[raven warren]

Absolutely cannot. I could imagine like 100 years if we are lucky and aren’t extinct by then

[pine topaz]

realistcaly our technoclical needs have advanced so much but we work longer thenpeasents in the feudal age

[spark nova]

I disagree with intelligence being the only bottleneck to do everything.
Most problem solving is about massive iteration on problems and a powerful AI will only speed up/increase the scope of an iteration cycle.
You would still need a human to conceptualize and orchestrate the problem solving.

[proper violet]

yeah but at some point who will be making the decisions

Humans will only be guiding AI

[whole roost]

Big Brother

[proper violet]

Is watching you

[spark nova]

Only guiding AI, is also a job xD

[raven warren]

Yeah. Shits bad.
Really really bad. Like French Revolution bad

[whole roost]

If anyone wants a good AI horror story check out

I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream

[raven warren]

I just want my life to be made perfect by a sentient yogurt

[proper violet]

The situation is akin to the late Roman Republic where the average farmer was out of job due to large industrial estates being filled by slaves. Only those with rights to the models win

[pine topaz]

we've also entered the worst wealth inequality since the gilded age

[whole roost]

I have no mouth and I must scream - Harlan Ellison - WJCC Schools https://wjccschools.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/01/I-Have-No-Mouth-But-I-Must-Scream-by-Harlan-Ellison.pdf

[raven warren]

I’m disappointed no one got the reference

[pine topaz]

Im at episode 3 of love death and robots, give me 3 more episodes

[spark nova]

Every time an AI achieves sota on task K, there will be a task K prime that contains K, which can only be currently orchestrated by a human.

This continues ad infinitum; it is always possible to abstract outwards and the number of tasks to be completed are infinite.

Wagmi

[raven warren]

Yesssss
It’s so good

[swift falcon]

this is like in 1999 (3rd grade) when our teachers asked us "what do you think the year 2000 will be like?" and we all come up with some mars rover, intergalactic, floating cities and flying cars shit - 2000 rolls around and we all like

https://tenor.com/view/confused-john-travolta-what-gif-5114829

[gleaming trellis]

2000 = Y2K

[swift falcon]

it was a wild time

[slender axle]

A recruiter at roblox asked me to post about myself on their career networking site like 20 mins ago. I got the rejection email while writing a post about why I want to work there 😭

[rain patio]

Roblox probably sucks to work at anyway

Idk what they even do besides push updates that most people don't like lol

[proper violet]

Doing that OA was so dumb

Lol

[raven warren]

Literally.
Idk why it’s considered so prestigious.

They can just pay allot because they scam kids

[rain patio]

Roblox can't even optimize their engine properly lol

Oh yeah and there are so many roleplay games where kids do cringe stuff

I remember a popular game on roblox getting shut down because multiple parents witnessed and reported cases of their kids being groomed by other online players in that game 💀

[slender axle]

it has 5 stars on blind

[slender axle]

i got perfect scores on everything except I flubbed OA number 2

[gentle oriole]

Bro I never played Roblox games in my life

[rain patio]

There are a few hidden gems on roblox, but most of the games are trash lol

The one game I still care about is Fantastic Frontier. It's a really cool fantasy game that's unlike anything I've ever played, and it has super deep lore and is hard like the dsrk souls games. It's being worked on by two guys who are also brothers, and they've been working on a massive update for the past 5 years. I'm getting tired of waiting for the update tho

[gentle oriole]

But the memes on instagram of Roblox

Are hilarious

“Oh oh oh oh oh oh”

[rain patio]

I'm sad that they removed the "Oof" sound lol

[gentle oriole]

“Get back tuh werkkkk. Get back tuh werkkkk blud”

[rain patio]

Turns out that Roblox stole the audio and had to remove it before they got sued

[swift falcon]

linkedin dry af

[proper violet]

will companies wanna hire 23 grads next year?

[swift falcon]

do you guys put willing to travel 100%?

i put up to 25%

that's not killing me is it?

[raven warren]

I used to play one game that was a semi realistic flight sim. Pretty cool

[swift falcon]

well no, but ig like should I be putting more than 25%?

what is the industry norm for someone with kids

[raven warren]

You put the absolute max you are willing to.

[slender axle]

microsoft puts 25% for a normal software engineer

which really just means, you need to come to the office, and you may need to go to a conference every once in a while

[gentle oriole]

No half of them don’t wanna hire 23 grads this year

[proper violet]

Yeah exactly

How hard is a lateral move in tech? Like from devops/sre to SWE. Cuz would I apply to an experienced or entry role if I’m kinda writing some software but not as a SWE?

[gentle oriole]

Probably easier at a smaller company than a larger one

[tardy geode]

how long after a resume round should one follow up

its been 2 days and theres no update on weather i am being moved forward or not

today is the 2nd day

i gave on monday

so should i wait one more day ?

or hit a followup today ?

fr ?

monday , is like next week

it was a 30 mins resume round

was with a tech lead and a prod manager

wdym

yeah

yeah

noo

bro there was no coding , only trivia and past experiences

[mystic pollen]

wait yeah resume round with the tech lead is odd

[tardy geode]

ik lol

[mystic pollen]

but it's not unheard of, for apple i had the exact same thing with the eng lead

resume + trivia

[tardy geode]

yeah in trivia he went like so basic , asked me advantage of X

and i kinda blanked out , i said the advantages but missed out on optimization 😦

i prepd for the worst thinking who would ask advantages and shit lol

[mystic pollen]

has anyone went through the process in #2023_grad_process or #2024_grad_process

maybe u could follow along their timeline there

but i still think it's too early for a general followup and too late for a "i really enjoyed talking to x!" email

[tardy geode]

i put that email to the prod manager (since i had only his email) right after

not the leads email

[mystic pollen]

that's fine then

[tardy geode]

but dude didn't open nor reply back 💀

[mystic pollen]

this is for the position where it's been a week and they said they'll reply within 2 weeks right

[mystic pollen]

they usually dont reply to those types of emails from my experience

oh wait do u have an email tracker on it

[willow sedge]

is it wrong to use an exact leetcode solution on a test if i’ve done it before lmao. it kinda feels like cheating

[tardy geode]

no no , i gave the round like 2 days back this monday . they said recruiter would get back on further steps

[tardy geode]

yea lol

[mystic pollen]

ohhh i got it mixed up

yeah definitely way too early -- wait at least a week or even more

[mystic pollen]

i dont think its out of the ordinary that they haven't gotten to it yet

[mystic pollen]

well in a perfect world you'd tell them that you've seen the question before

but it's not a perfect world and as long as you build up to the answer in a convincing way they will never know

just don't copy the solution word for word even if you know it lol chances are they have the same optimal solution answer from leetcode too

[swift falcon]

@lunar sonnet do you know if the concepts I am picking up with AWS are going to transfer over to Azure/GCP? Like do they all have similar products/functionality?

if I have the AWS cert on my resume and apply to a bunch of azure or gcp based positions, will it count for something?

alr cool, probably azure if I'm being honest

I'm assuming if they're .net shops they use azure

[gleaming trellis]

Do you new grads have this anxiety that you can get the SWE job offer but afraid that you aren’t competent enough to do the job?

[whole roost]

No that's a potential worry for future me

[swift falcon]

at this point if I get a job I'll know I'm qualified because I beat out everyone else

they must really have fuckin wanted me

[slender axle]

Anyone have advice for this situation? I have a good GPA (3.6) but also on my transcript I got a C+ on algorithms class. This was due to COVID and the class just being bad. Since then I have way improved my algorithms knowledge and can do leetcode hard questions. If it comes up in an interview what should I say?

[ebon summit]

who cares

[gleaming trellis]

But becoming competent in completing the assigned the tasks is another hurdle to contemplate while you guys are seeking the job?

[ebon summit]

I doubt they'll ask you in all honestly

I have an F

and I have never been asked about it

[slender axle]

The quant firm that just rejected me after I passed interview and gave my transcript

[ebon summit]

quant is different

they're anal

but overal most people dont care

[slender axle]

yeah, really sucks

[ebon summit]

I still get some interviews with quants

just not all

albeit I wouldn't take them in the first place

[swift falcon]

if anything, I am frustrated because I know if I get hired, I could do whatever they ask me to

also, I would enjoy being challenged and forced to actually problem solve over what I currently do

[proper violet]

When do you think companies start hiring more people as to less? Like when is the inflection point

yikes

I really don’t want to stay at my current job all I do is click buttons

[rain patio]

when inflation is finally back to around 2% and federal reserve borrowing rates go down

[raven warren]

Projects

[proper violet]

Yeah I’m working a lisp implemented in Rust rn

Hopefully that looks good

[bold furnace]

Would you guys take a 48k software test position in MCOL assuming rent is ~700-800

(sharing apartment)

[slender axle]

The inflection point is when ever interest rates fall. Take your best guess based on historical trends, my guess is whenever the next presidential election is over. So January 2025 :/

Alternatively they will realize they are not training new grads, and as mid-level people get promoted they realize they have no juniors to promote to mid level and start hiring early. But at that point they will be looking for 2025 new grads anyways

[raven warren]

Basically a year

[slender axle]

if you don't have another job then is there really any option? You can take the job and just keep applying to what you really want

[proper violet]

sad

[vapid oasis]

Any new postings today

October overflow

[slender axle]

IDK but I'm seeing people post capital one internship acceptances and praying they are still interviewing for new grad...

[proper violet]

I haven’t heard back from capital one after the codesignal

[slender axle]

i talked to a recruiter and they said I passed but never heard back either

I applied for Feb start date too

[proper violet]

same here

Do I just reach out to a recruiter?

[slender axle]

ehh I would say it wasn't really helpful and some people on here suggested it made me seem desperate

so I wouldn't do it imo

We just need to hope and pray we get a call

[proper violet]

Bet thanks

[hardy relic]

what do u mean u "passed"? like the threshold of ur OA score

[slender axle]

My score was 506. I think the cutoff is 500

[hardy relic]

bc i also got a 506 but i recently got rejected. i had a referral as well 😦

[proper violet]

I got a 516 not sure if that’ll put me through

[clear tusk]

600 ghosted

[proper violet]

yeah I wonder if they raised the threshold somehow

[radiant jewel]

same

[solemn spire]

https://tenor.com/view/jps-truck-car-heffernan-sitcom-gif-15097841

[vague dune]

Given the horrible state of the job market, would you guys be willing to relocate to a new city/state far away on your own dime without a stipend/assistance from the company?

I know its different for everyone, just curious what you all would do on an individual level.

[fossil jewel]

me personally no, it would be hard to start over by yourself without assistance

if you are international, i dont see you have a choice

[static quarry]

In this market you have to

Just gotta survive and get experience

[solemn kite]

Pain

Pain of sucking at leetcode

Pain of this job market 😭

[proper violet]

is moving laterally in tech gonna be easier to get into swe when things get better

Cuz otherwise it seems like I’ll have to wait

[gleaming trellis]

Even moving laterally requires experience lol

[proper violet]

yeah

That’s what I’m saying it just seems like a catch 22

[gleaming trellis]

I would just focus on SWE

[slender axle]

Only if the comp is worth it. I'll move myself to NYC to work for bloomberg no questions asked. But startups, low-tier shops, non tech companies that need web devs, etc, no way.

[slender axle]

doesn't matter. leetcode is a multiplier on your interviews. I'm great at leetcode but 0 interviews x 99999 leetcode skills = 0

so just grind for the future

[proper violet]

I kinda had to take a devops job to pay the bills and other pressure, I’m only applying to swe

[gleaming trellis]

I had the assumption you meant something like IT support lol

[solemn kite]

That is true. I actually might get another interview but have fallen behind in leetcode 😭

[gleaming trellis]

I think DevOps is close

[solemn kite]

@fallen fox how are you doing bud? Any luck?

[slender axle]

it's really so much easier than you think. I thought I couldn't do it and after a month or two i was good

[proper violet]

Close enough to move into swe?

[solemn kite]

Yeah i gotta get back into it. Idk why, but i find it overwhelming lol. I started doing neetcode 150 in may and only like halfway done

[proper violet]

Yeah I started grinding leetcode like only two months ago and it’s made a world of a difference just in my confidence

[slender axle]

I did less than half of the blind 75 before I got it. Learn the patterns not the problems

[solemn kite]

Yeah devops gives you a lot of directlt transferable skills. (Assuming you're using state of the art tools and not some legacy shit)

[proper violet]

Grafana, Jenkins, Python, etc. I work at an options exchange hopefully that helps my case

[solemn kite]

🙏 yeah i keep thinking I've got it but there's so many questions where i have no idea

[rich prairie]

nonsense the economy is completely stable

[solemn kite]

Yeah it gives you a lot of interesting experience. You can def talk it up in interviews about how it improved your problem solving skills and big picture thinking

But ultimately it depends on how the economy is doing at the time imo

[mystic pollen]

stability != good economy

i wouldnt call the economy completely stable though

[swift falcon]

it needs to either crash or get better

im tired of this pussyfooting

[rich prairie]

i was being sarcastic

nothing about the current economy is stable
nor good

lol

laughs in 7$ gas

[mystic pollen]

probably recession -> interest rate cut

[rich prairie]

waits for housing market to collapse

fr tho watching all the bitching about commercial real estate occupancy rates

[mystic pollen]

i doubt housing market will crash any time soon

[rich prairie]

im really hoping some people will lose millions on some dumbass shitty office buildings

[mystic pollen]

i think big stonk market correction is inevitable tho

[slender axle]

Honestly, I don't even care abot being in a big tech company now. I just worry that I spent all this effort to be ready for big tech and in the future it will be harder to get in as a mid level

especially if tiny tech companies don't train as well

[mystic pollen]

easy money is def over

hopefully its not too hard 😳

[slender axle]

thing is that I worked hard. I want my difficult money rn pls

hate that the economy can just throw off millions of people's lives

[mystic pollen]

yeah

makes me wonder what being in tech in 2000 felt like

probably like any tech career prospect is over

[willow sedge]

tbh if ur not in the tech industry you don’t know how bad it is rn

[fallen fox]

it's over lol cant get anything

there's nothing in my inbox

[bold furnace]

Two recruiters, one at a somewhat reputable company reached out to me today. I’ve never received any sign of interest in the past 5 months so this is really bizarre lol. I guess it isn’t too strange though considering how many apps I sent out in the past few weeks

[lost ether]

Youre gonna have to train yourself im afraid

[slender axle]

It just sucks because you know that when we finally get into faang in 2 years, we're gonna be put at the same level we could be at now

as a new grad

[tardy geode]

fr i feel its all a numbers game

ik its a cliched statement but yea

[swift falcon]

I just am tired of waiting for one thing or the other

https://tenor.com/view/javier-bardem-anton-got-it-think-about-it-ok-gif-17428218

[whole roost]

https://tenor.com/view/big-lebowski-gif-19182821

[gleaming trellis]

Got a message from a TikTok Recruiter from Global Talent Acquisition Team wanting to discuss the prospects with me for a team lead position lol

[swift falcon]

how many yoe u got?

[gleaming trellis]

new grad lol

Not sure how legit it is

[swift falcon]

mb its a new grad team

and ur the bes

and will be squad leader

[solemn kite]

we gotta take what we can rn and just soldier on tbh

[slender axle]

Or we can grind even harder and walk into the CEO’s office (he works from home) demand a job, drop off your resume, and leave before you are arrested for breaking and entering

[spark bay]

All these unemployed #2023_grads got to start their own LLC company and start grinding YOE while they wait for “real” job offers

That’s my grand solution

[swift falcon]

47 pages

and no companies

this is why we’re ngmi

[whole roost]

startup is more work than shit posting on disc

gimme job for shit post

[cloud zinc]

I brought this up numerous times and it was shot down for reasonable reasons

you could make an "LLC" that would create professional-looking websites for fake startups

[tardy geode]

does anybody know this youtuber called Bro Code , i am unable to find his github repos

[solemn kite]

ok let's do it then

[spark bay]

I actually fell out of my seat laughing this is too good

[vague slate]

do you guys think sre experience would be close enough to move to swe?

[tardy geode]

anyone ?

😦

[proper violet]

Python, Bash, Prometheus , AWS, K8s, kafka etc

[bold furnace]

LinkedIn seem kind of “bountiful” today to you guys?

So many entry level openings

[bold pier]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxLqtYbgmrx/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

Us, eventually all of us

barstoolu

And it’s minimum wage 🫠 @tokenceo

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[tardy geode]

Method overriding is same method name but different class name
Method overloading is same method name but different parameters

right ?

[tardy geode]

how ? i see only 1.5k openings for swe US and past 24 hours

its like nothing new same as shit , most of this bs would be reposted shit

[bold furnace]

Idk I found like 20 openings in 5 mins could be my imagination

[tardy geode]

july aug was bountiful , i used to see 5k - 7k openings each day

swe us past 24h

[bold furnace]

Yeah

[raven warren]

I love method overloading
Allows for backwards compatibility in a clean way

Idk if it’s good practice though

[slender axle]

So roblox just canceled their technical interview workshop that I was registered for. And now I'm rejected so I can't go to another one 😔

so demotivating

[swift falcon]

p sure it’s like a core concept of oop

an example of bad practice would be using optionals as a parameter as a way of getting around passing null into a method, instead of just writing overloaded methods

[shut crescent]

i think linkedin is bugged

it always just says 1.5k for some reason

[solemn spire]

1.5k 'platform engineer' roles

[whole roost]

They probs hard coded it cuz the real numbers too depression 💀

[shut crescent]

nah i saw a post if u mess with the location or something it fixes

maybe on the mobile app when u click like show jobs only in the u.s or something

i saw it on tiktok lmao

[shut crescent]

...but what if that number is also hard coded too

i dont trust numbers atm ngl

[whole roost]

It's hard coded all the way down

Including us, the universe is a simulation

[rain patio]

linkedin keeps showing irrelevant jobs smh

[shut crescent]

i believe it

[mellow glade]

i keep seeing fuckin revature and other low pay contract jobs

[swift falcon]

no way are you telling me that CNC and FANUC jobs are not a part of the Software Engineering field?

[rain patio]

wanna hear a scary theory? I forget what it's called, but there's a theory that the universe is actually all made of virtual particles. Something about black holes and everything being made of real and virtual particles. So we may not be real but somehow still exist?? idk lol

[mellow glade]

i wish i could block them !!!!

[shut crescent]

2023 has to be the worst year out of the last 10 to get a job as a SWE right lmao

[swift falcon]

just x them out oh wait that doesn't work nevermind

[mellow glade]

yes

[rain patio]

yeah it's like the 2008 recession but only tech is affected

[shut crescent]

We spent 15+ years going in and out of the school system to land on a year like this

Isnt that crazy

[mellow glade]

grad 2023 is my 9/11

[mellow glade]

actually ultra unlucky

[swift falcon]

i went in the marines and then to college afterwards to dodge that shit and still ended up here

in fact you all are probably suffering because I didn't accept it in 2009

[mellow glade]

so many opportunities to graduate early or late, but no i graduate at the worst year possible

[shut crescent]

lmfao bruh

[rain patio]

I should have started college earlier 😭

[mellow glade]

not gonna lie tho its partially my own fault for not applying earlier, as in when i just started senior year

[rain patio]

I could have graduated in 2021, during the golden age

[shut crescent]

bro imagine those kids that graduated a year early in 2022...

god dammit

[rain patio]

One leetcode easy problem, and then I'd be rich

[swift falcon]

my god, in 2010-2013 there were all those "be a game developer" commercials, imagine if I had gone to one of those programs or at least some sort of bootcamp

[shut crescent]

bro theres some two sum solvers that are earning 200k somewhere right now

[rain patio]

Fast forward to today, and i'd have 2 years of experience and probably over 100k saved up and a nice gaming pc 😭

[swift falcon]

i'd be a fucking principal architect by now

[shut crescent]

lolol

[whole roost]

the funny thing for me is a lot of my friends from my 1st degree did CS and have been in FAANG for years and I did a second degree into this market

[shut crescent]

holy shit how did we actually get this fucked i dont understand

[rain patio]

Big Pierre I think I’ve asked u this before but what did u do prior to cs?

[rain patio]

It sucks, but I don't think this will last forever. We'll get another boom eventually

[swift falcon]

just IT

[mellow glade]

or u might be one of those guys that get laid off around this time and take up the entry level jobs LMAO

[swift falcon]

hey but I'd still be a SWE

[rain patio]

Oh sick, like sys admin stuff?

[swift falcon]

helpdesk & BI

[whole roost]

Yeah just gotta make the best of our situation, amor fati

[rain patio]

@swift falcon what is your profile picture? I swear I've seen that guy a lot online today

[swift falcon]

Anton Chigurrh

[whole roost]

That is Anton Chigurh, a character from No Country for Old Men

[shut crescent]

whats a good show to watch

[swift falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/anton-chigurh-milk-no-country-for-old-men-gif-5612838

[mellow glade]

its actually so unlucky that we graduate when theres TOO MANY SWE grads AND theres hella tech lay offs

[whole roost]

A movie by the Coen brothers, adaptation of the novel by Cormac McCarthy

[shut crescent]

thats what im saying like all those days, hours, minutes....to just land here

crazy

[mellow glade]

NOT TO MENTION the fact that AI is likely taking up a lot of jobs

[swift falcon]

which, if you read the wikipedia, was actually written as a screenplay btw

[shut crescent]

Nah i dont think its an AI issue

i dont think we're there yet

its just economy man people have to cut costs like crazy

no one wants to train new grads why would they

when they can just pick up a senior that got laid off from google

[swift falcon]

WHERE'D ALL THE FUCKIN MONEY GO THO

[whole roost]

I did not know that, interesting. I've only read The Road by him, great book but depressing. Going to read Blood Meridian next.

[rain patio]

the economy has to suck now so inflation goes down....but soon it will be our time to shine!

[median adder]

to the super rich, where else

[shut crescent]

everyones hording it

cash = purchasing power like crazy rn

have u not seen these big ass companies spend billions

cisco and microsoft?

[mellow glade]

during my internship, my boss was saying that AI was the reason for a lot of the layoffs, because a lot of the jobs turned out could be easily automated. IDK how accurate he is considering its an AI startup so hes obviously biased

[swift falcon]

honestly, I haven't, what are they spending shit on?

BING?

[shut crescent]

On January 18, 2022, Microsoft announced its intent to acquire Activision Blizzard for $68.7 billion. The deal was finalized on October 13, 2023.

[swift falcon]

oh ffs

[shut crescent]

Partners dealmakers has scored a big win by advising Cisco Systems on its $28 billion acquisition of cybersecurity firm Splunk.

[swift falcon]

blood meridian is definitely on my to read list

[shut crescent]

Activision and Splunk got bought out

Thats crazy...

[mellow glade]

I think for most of us, the only way to get a job rn is to have a REALLY impressive resume with a bunch of experience AND hella connections just to get an entry level job

[swift falcon]

I thought it was actually like 'capital' or R&D

but it's just buying other big companies

[shut crescent]

yeah they're bullshitting

why wouldnt they save their money and buy when economys falling down

they get everything for cheap

are u also seeing all this bs news in locations like nyc, miami, bay area lol

fake ass news just to get people to sell so they can buy

politics is where the real moneys at tbh

[swift falcon]

like sell properties?

[shut crescent]

yeah commercial and real estate

forcing high interest rates on commercial buildings too so the people who have nnn leases who acquired their tenants on low rent get fucked too lol

alot of people cant handle their monthly payments and they know that so they're forced to sell

[swift falcon]

I got so much shit riding on getting a new job with a pay bump

it's tight now

[shut crescent]

yeah i want a new job too the only reason i got mine is because i did intern -> part time luckily lol

[swift falcon]

been feeling it last few months - we used to have a bunch of money saved up but it's like 1/3 of what it was now

[shut crescent]

getting nothing back with like 6 months FT experience

[shut crescent]

yeah man shit time, hopefully its over soon

[swift falcon]

yeah, OR we just go on welfare

(i'm joking, sort of)

[marsh harbor]

has anyone had an interview with Starbuck Software engineering

[mystic pollen]

i made sm money on this

i got super lucky and opened a big position on atvi right before microsoft said they'd buy it

[slender axle]

Bloomberg is done

[rain patio]

Wym is done @slender axle

Elaborate

[slender axle]

They removed everyone who applied with the leaked link

Unless you had a connection with a recruiter

[mystic pollen]

including ppl who applied today?

[slender axle]

idk

[mystic pollen]

i applied today but haven't heard anything

assuming they haven't gotten to ppl who applied today yet

[lost ether]

did they blacklist ?

[rain patio]

How many data points do you have to support this?

[slender axle]

I don't know. I hope not

[slender axle]

34 people at my university who all applied in a group chat

[rain patio]

What round were you in elektrotrap

[slender axle]

all got rejects today

[rain patio]

Do they have campus recruitment at ur school?

[slender axle]

Yes. But everyone in that groupchat got the link given to them

[slender axle]

Out of all of us, none got even a phone call except the one guy who actually got the on campus interview.

So disappointing. I made it through to the final with bloomberg last year but they hit head count. I worked so hard to get into these places and its just not happening

[glossy gust]

didnt lots of ppl get interviews thru leaked link?

im in the process rn thru leaked link

[vital meteor]

Which part?

[radiant moon]

many ppl got , link was hidden earlier , now public 😄

[slender axle]

Well 34 of us got rejected at the same time. So something is going on

I made the assumption that’s what happened

[glossy gust]

tech1

havent heard back tho

[vital meteor]

OK I apply

[vapid oasis]

It’s joever

[radiant moon]

isn't too late to apply?

[vital meteor]

No

I just applied and got recruiter call

[gloomy terrace]

Big mood

[ebon summit]

dam

that was fast

hopefully I'll hear soon

[vital meteor]

O

I was joking

[whole roost]

LMAO

[ebon summit]

T_T

I've bene baited

T_T

[whole roost]

30 min for recruiter callback

[ebon summit]

I've had it happen

within an hour

[whole roost]

Damn

I am not that guy, never experienced that

[radiant moon]

I just applied and got recruiter call

[tardy geode]

https://tenor.com/view/rakeitoop-rokeitup-dj-khaled-surf-gif-21792750

[outer finch]

Anyone know TC details for ZipRecruiter New Grad position?

[final scaffold]

Have anyone got any interview from data recently

[slender axle]

this is a company that exists on the company list. congrats on the offer 🤐

[tardy geode]

???

wdy,

*wdym

[past hound]

Rope reject

[cloud zinc]

got rejected from all of the MITRE positions in one swoop

three rejection emails, less than a second in between.

I have a feeling that I might have been blacklisted from the company for god knows what, so I'm probably gonna stop sending future applications to their roles from now on

[grizzled bronze]

if it's less than a second, surely it's something like grad date/citizenship that's the issue?

[cloud zinc]

Don't know what the point of the internship was, other than cheap labor from a recent grad. But if my past experience won't give me an advantage over other candidates then fuck 'em

MKS I can excuse because they want embedded dev experience, and MarginEdge is a startup company that wants nothing but senior devs, but MITRE just seems shitty towards certain interns for no reason.

[pulsar mural]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/981754288508375150/1164419421901684838/73a3613d-d2ea-4338-9cf5-0816a37c96b6.png?ex=65432518&is=6530b018&hm=288243ac3dfc15139e8bec664ac1edb98f689a61d9327f21ad8c3eeb4b51c924&

[cloud zinc]

Like back during the spring career fair, I met a coworker of mine who also did an internship at MITRE, and he was roughly on the same boat as me: "Couldn't get an offer from MITRE post internship and had to look elsewhere". Unlike my full-stack intern project, his project involved a heavy use of AI/ML with language models and shit.

For the sake of progress, I'm gonna stop ranting over this response. But I'll end it with this question: What was the point of the internship at MITRE if there is no competitive edge in internal hiring?

[grizzled bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/worryfrogburn-gif-26023487

[neon panther]

🪢

[grizzled bronze]

fuck MITRE, they're worse than droughts fargo

[burnt orchid]

What do u do if even the rope rejects you

[cloud zinc]

drown

\s

[spark nova]

Water Inc reject https://waterinc.com/

[cloud zinc]

damn

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[fallen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/devil-is-a-part-timer-anime-boorger-gif-19367173

[static quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/remember-wagmi-gif-24067442

[cloud zinc]

stupid question

can you scout for a research/capstone/thesis project in a job fair?

Like if I were to go to a job booth and mention "I won't be graduating until 2025, but I am thinking about projects for my thesis, what area of research would your company be interested in?", would that be deranged?

[swift falcon]

yes

drop everything before “what area of research”

[cloud zinc]

but what if the company doesn't know what I want from them? Like I could end it on thesis, and they could be like "good luck with finding something" and dip

oh you said before, not after

[swift falcon]

yeah

and then reword that statement

[cloud zinc]

wouldn't that be too vague though?

[swift falcon]

idk 🤷‍♂️ imagine you’re a recrooter or seasoned SWE having some rando come and be like “what kind of ideas do you have for me for my thesis?”

i am not trying to be mean

[cloud zinc]

you're being objective, which is good

I'm just trying to see if I can use this upcoming job fair to find companies interested in a specific thesis topic.

[swift falcon]

do you have a thesis topic in mind already?

[cloud zinc]

no, which is why I'm trying to find something on the get-go

I don't have to conduct the thesis until fall 2024

but that doesn't mean I can sit on my ass

[swift falcon]

I think a better route for that would be to ask a professor with a research lab

and I am speaking from experience here, I regret not asking “do you have anything that I could work on” instead of coming up with my own shit

[cloud zinc]

you're allowed to ask for pre-existing projects?

I thought the requirement was making something up

I was breaking down over the prospects of making stuff up this whole time

[swift falcon]

it wouldn’t be pre existing

it’d be like some side research maybe

idk

even if they’re like “no usually you’re supposed to come up with sth” at least you have an answer

there may be different expectations because its a masters thesis

for example, my advisor only ever had phd students, so was expecting me to have a bunch of original shit to present (which I would say I kind of did) but then when I went to do the presentation and saw the discussion on whether to accept it, my program director said something along the lines of “he didn’t have to have original work, this is more than enough, he could have repeated sth already done”

so long story short

I’d maybe talk to a few profs in depth before picking advisor and then ask them about research topics they might want to see (maybe have a few ideas to bring)

[gleaming trellis]

Wait you going to grad school?

[solemn spire]

https://tenor.com/view/your-package-is-here-viralhog-delivery-dropping-packages-bad-delivery-man-gif-25547440

[fallen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/burger-flipper-gif-23720676

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/skyrim-intro-awake-finally-awake-gif-22633549

[boreal knoll]

if my geico portal say screen should i expect an email about the questionnaire soon?

[willow sedge]

i got a 33% chance of getting this job

[swift falcon]

like you're down to the final three?!??!

[willow sedge]

8 people. they hiring 2-3

[gleaming trellis]

That is very high chance

[swift falcon]

shiet

that is nerve wracking

[willow sedge]

yup

im in the same boat with antoher company rn i think

[swift falcon]

dayum u must be cracked

[glossy gust]

anyone know what meta tc is this year for new grad?

[glossy gust]

damn meta still giving raises in this economy

tyty

[tardy geode]

just got to know that one of my friends(i spoke to him) got hired for that position was the same recruiter and team

should i even follow up

[mystic pollen]

oh nice, maybe ask how long it took for him? and whether/when he sent a followup

[tardy geode]

he told they scheduled the 2nd round quickly like recruiter reached out within a day aftr the first

@mystic pollen

but is it even worth it now ? since that position got filled by him already

i feel sad 😦

[mystic pollen]

this is the one where it's been like 3-4 days now since ur interview right?

[mystic pollen]

there's a small possibility that headcount got filled up but i don't think you should give up hope unless they explicitly tell you

it hasn't been that long since your interview so i dont think a followup rn is worth it

maybe send it early next monday if they don't get back to you till then

[tardy geode]

yeah

[mystic pollen]

maybe someone else might disagree w/ my approach but i've never sent a followup sooner than 1-2 weeks after bc i dont think it's worth it

[tardy geode]

[mystic pollen]

ive come to accept the fact that recruiters take a long ass time for no reason pretty often

[oblique harbor]

I just had an interview with the scam company Revature. That company has tons of "name and shame" posts on r/cscareerquestions.

Basically, they said I will need to go through a 10-12 week UNPAID training. After I complete the training, I'll have to take a technical interview with a client. If I pass that, I need to go through another 10-12 week MINIMUM WAGE training before finally getting hired.

I get that being an unemployed new grad sucks, but even I don't want to go through with this. Feels exploitative.

[mystic pollen]

we were discussing revature in this chat a few days ago and we all basically agreed it's not worth it

[autumn iris]

Geico just announced layoffs

[oblique harbor]

Good to know. I asked if I could skip the unpaid training and they said no.

[autumn iris]

6% is a lot isnt it

[oblique harbor]

And now the job market is even harder for us new grads 😭

[autumn iris]

[swift falcon]

I hate all of these companies but I hate revature in particular

[swift falcon]

didn't someone just get hired at geico?

[whole roost]

ya they're the one who planned and announced the layoffs

[swift falcon]

it was @past hound

[past hound]

Yea, I got a offer from Geico.