2023_grads

[cold pawn]

a linked list is a list that is linked
no?

[narrow harbor]

maybe go a step back, do you have a good understanding of pointers

what i did in uni was draw out the the actually linked list with their pointers and drawing out whatever functions and helped a lot

[tardy geode]

oh good idead , i did that long back but yeah i can restart with that again

[elder narwhal]

First thing when I see that number I think availability percentage. My mind is so fucked

[narrow harbor]

you think the other linked list problems not worth learning?

[burnt orchid]

Did anyone else's Roblox OA get stuck on a loading screen

[narrow harbor]

gotcha makes sense

what do you think are the most common topics for lc oa?

[tribal fable]

Graphs

[past hound]

dp

strings

[pine topaz]

DPs are common now?

I checked algo monsters and they said a year ago or 2 ago and DP questions are statistically rare

[past hound]

Of the OAs that I have done, there has usually been at least 1.

DPs are much easier if you can solve them top down.

optimally

bottom up is what is hard

[pine topaz]

The hiring bar is higher now

[past hound]

top down follows the dp matrix and recursive function template that neetcode does

like most of the time

so once you know that, you have like half the code

[pine topaz]

What abt interviews?

Not OAs

[past hound]

It isn't 100% though. I have had a OA where all the problems were just like simple LC easy string stuff.

The problem isn't OA, I have gotten decent at them (LC hards still can be a pain if I haven't seen something like it before), the main issue is everyone sees my background, and just throws away my resume without giving me a chance.

I do

I just don't have a internship

Not in this market lol

[heavy reef]

I really hate the whole tech stack issue thing tbh. Unless you're doing something very niche or specific, literally everyone fucking learns on the job.

I was forced to do something in Angular and .NET for one project and I just learned it.

[rain patio]

100% luck i swear

[past hound]

I have applied to positions where I have had almost entire tech stack, and still reject. My GPA is near perfect. I have some experience, although it is TA experience (better than nothing I guess).

[heavy reef]

How are your personal projects?

[rain patio]

The only advice I can give is to apply for government jobs that only require a degree and no experience lol

[pine topaz]

@rain patio give referals

[past hound]

Could be I am just really early for 2024 jobs. I am a 2023 grad, so that may also not be helping, but I doubt it is a auto reject thing.

[pine topaz]

dont forget ur day 1s

[rain patio]

can i give a referal if i haven't technically started yet lol

[pine topaz]

naw

[rain patio]

rip

well, I start in about 2 weeks

[pine topaz]

when do u start

ooo nice

[past hound]

*May 2023

[pine topaz]

NO MORE BUFFET

!!

[past hound]

Anything

[rain patio]

same 😭

well....

[past hound]

I mean, no new grad is a master of anything.

[rain patio]

I would give advice, but I don't think I'm qualified lol

i just mass applied and then somehow got an interview 4 months later

Applied in March and got an interview a couple weeks ago. They asked a leetcode easy and then moved me to the next round lol

Yeah very lucky

true lol

I got lucky and ended up in a C++ role even tho I only took 1 class in C++ in college and haven't used it in over a year

i only remember how to do hello world in c++ 😂

[past hound]

They didn't make you use C++?

[rain patio]

Nope lol! My university primarily had us use Python and Java. I used C# in one class, but even that was optional

It was a game dev class, and we could use JavaScript or C#....I should have used JavaScript lol

[past hound]

I was talking about the interview

[rain patio]

oooohhh

They said I could use any language that I wanted, so I used Python

they cared more about how i explained stuff than the code I wrote lol

[past hound]

If the market wasn't so shitty, I am sure I'd have a least one offer by now. Doesn't mean I am going to give up, quite the opposite, but still fucking sucks that we have to work harder than previous grads by seemingly so much

Gotta disagree. There are experienced devs out there that are having a really hard time finding a job.

It is more a function of the market at the moment.

[rain patio]

they prolly have poor soft skills

[pine topaz]

I have to disagree. @pulsar mural got a job despite having aspergers

[rain patio]

nah yahkuna is jacked

[past hound]

I am aware. It isn't like I am trying to be like "market is fucked, there is nothing I can do", but you can't disagree that market forces have changed the supply and demand of swe labor. That raises in the bar compared to before. Sure, you have to take charge of your life, but there are forces out that you can't control no matter how good you may be.

[rain patio]

people respect that

he called me el sticco the other day

and i can't even say shti back

man was bodyshaming me haha

[pine topaz]

stick bug lookin ahhh

[rain patio]

lmfaoo

we need to make yahkuna gpt

[pine topaz]

no we dont

[past hound]

ye

[azure zephyr]

disagree, most companies are planning on teaching their new grads whatever it is they'll be working on

[past hound]

I don't think I have.

[obsidian crater]

Yoo my uncle said BB is hiring

..... Sr Engineers

[azure zephyr]

it is very unrealistic for HMs to expect new grads to 100% know what they wanna do

[obsidian crater]

No NGs

[azure zephyr]

or any entry level tbh

[obsidian crater]

[rain patio]

SDL has a Laboratory Technician job in Alberquerque New Mexico

[past hound]

[rain patio]

SDL has a Laboratory Technician job in Alberquerque New Mexico
https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-chemistry-experiment-scientific-walter-white-gif-17820266

[azure zephyr]

idk man, i have several friends who got jobs without being a fresh new grad and are doing something totally new. most skills you will learn on the job. for entry level they're looking for strong fundamentals more than anything else 🙂

[rain patio]

There is one in DC and in Alabama

[past hound]

Exactly my point. They are called "entry level" for a reason. If you want employees who know your entire stack day one and need almost no time to learn anything, you would hire a senior.

[jade seal]

Companies with junior positions still each new employees about new languages and frameworks all the time though

Either through udemy courses or some other form of paid course subscription

[unreal current]

Has anyone received OA for Barclay's Quantitative Analytics Analyst Graduate Program 2024 New York?

[ornate cliff]

only thing worth maining is C++

Unfortunately idk how pointers work

[jade seal]

true, but it's hard to just focus entirely on a small set of skills while in college and it's good to have exposure to different areas of SWE to see what you like the best and what you want your future career to be like

but yeah as you enter the market unless you start specializing in something it'll be gg

[rain patio]

so now that i'm basically forced to become a C++ main since that's all they use at my upcoming job....what industries can I go into that pay more once I have more experience?

All I think of when I think of C++ is government stuff

[obsidian crater]

Gaming if you hate yourself

[tardy geode]

okay this might be dumb but just wanna confirm , so in the function dfn S is the subroot tree and T is root tree right?

[rain patio]

no idea lol

[obsidian crater]

For me the arguments are root, subRoot

[tardy geode]

what ? fr?

[tardy geode]

what thee

[vague dune]

This is purely hypothetical. Given that the job market is so bad right now, if TechLead, Joma, Clement Mihailescu or some other YouTuber with a coding interview platform offered you a software job at their company, would you accept? Assume the salary is good... or not (since you may consider them to be scammers). Also assume that this is your only offer and you have to accept within a few days so you can't interview for other places before deciding.

[cold pawn]

[bold pier]

[burnt orchid]

[past hound]

[tardy geode]

[rain patio]

fuck cpp

neither

hope they mortally wound each other

[bold pier]

there should be just 1 language

JAVA

OOP

JVM

JRE

WORLD PEACE

[wet jacinth]

yeah, and everyone must talk in Java.

[bold pier]

System.out.println("Exactly");

[solemn spire]

can only do 3/75 for blind 75. What am i doing with my life

[wet jacinth]

enjoying it, obviously.

[ornate cliff]

Finish it by end of September

[ornate cliff]

I trust Clement more than tech lead

[vagrant rain]

Has anyone done TikTok ML app? (2024 start)

[vital meteor]

Same isn't clement canadian

[narrow harbor]

same bruh

[ornate cliff]

Romanian?

I trust Romanians

[narrow harbor]

clement makes it seem like he went from barely graduated hs to google swe

but mf majored in math at a good uni

[vital meteor]

I want to visit Rome one day, Romanians seem chill

[solemn spire]

nah I was just trying blind 75

[solemn spire]

you can do most of it?

[vagrant rain]

is there really no way around premium

i find it harder to believe

i was doing most of the Leetcode explore cards and then come to find out all of DP is for premium onlyyy

[solemn spire]

you can do most mediums ?

are you a full time bro ?

[bold pier]

No way, there are so many free DP problems. I never bought premium until I wanted to see company tagged questions.

[solemn spire]

damn 🔥

[vagrant rain]

i guess i was talking more about the Explore card to relearn it lol

[delicate lantern]

I got 310/600 on the Roblox new grad thing

What are the chances I hear back 🥲

[obsidian crater]

0

[delicate lantern]

Damn 😭

It was 1 fully right and then the other question I saw and was like with

Wth**

[obsidian crater]

pretty sure you gotta score close to perfect to even have your resume looked at

[delicate lantern]

Also don’t ask what the questions are I’m pretty sure they’re different for each candidate maybe

[solemn spire]

@elder forum neatcode is great

[ornate cliff]

LMAO fuck no

[delicate lantern]

For everything else I did pretty good

[willow sedge]

anyone else just kinda hate dp like i personally dont understand half them still

[delicate lantern]

That’s the point….

[vagrant rain]

i hear it only is for targeting the company specific ones, so what's a good way to relearn DP?

[rain patio]

ohyeah i forgot about the leetcode lessons

most of them are free

i'm gonna do the free ones first

[wet jacinth]

I'm tired of doing Leetcode, I just want a job.

I'm sick of it

[obsidian crater]

^

You have like 900+ LC?

@wet jacinth

[wet jacinth]

yea, 950+ now

[obsidian crater]

[solemn spire]

loan me some of that skill bro

[wet jacinth]

yea, nothing else to do

cry and do leetocde

mostly

[solemn spire]

im Rank 1,105,230 in leetcode

[wet jacinth]

yea, after 300 not much return on investment

[delicate lantern]

I’ve done 150+ leetcode

100 med~

40 easy

And then 10 hard

I just do 1 problem a day at this point

[wet jacinth]

220 easy, 620 med, 112 hard for me

[wet jacinth]

kinda same

I have no exp. Only 6 mos intern

[solemn spire]

are you a full timer @wet jacinth

[wet jacinth]

I did. MERN, Hadoop, Spark and Tensorflow projects

[delicate lantern]

I can do all the basic patterns 2 pointer, sliding window etc, trees are getting better, bfs dfs, are pretty easy but some advanced graphs problems and dp are still pretty bad

[wet jacinth]

no, May 2023 MS CS grad, still looking

[delicate lantern]

Like topological sort for alien dictionary

You want me to do that in 30 minutes 🥴

I feel like bfs is mad easy for some reason

[solemn spire]

[delicate lantern]

Are you international?

[wet jacinth]

yeah

Came to the US right after bachelors in 2021

[rain patio]

bro why does everyone like elasticsearch smh

[wet jacinth]

Java, very good at OOPs and design patterns, I know AWS, and DBs.

[rain patio]

u sure? I've never heard of it outside this discord

[wet jacinth]

MS from Northeastern

[rain patio]

data science industry?

bruh since when

oh i thought it was a database search tool or something

like SQL but parallel

[obsidian crater]

It's a NoSQL search engine

[bold pier]

Textual search, so any search box like Amazon or Best Buy search would be using elastic search underneath

Elasticsearch has one of the best API designs, one could learn a lot just by studying it

[obsidian crater]

Time to build something with elasticsearch

🪢

[delicate lantern]

Mhmm k just did ultimate strat for Roblox

Hopefully I hear back now 🫡

[neon perch]

Does tiktok mostly test graph knowledge? Like how palantir does

[obsidian crater]

no

[delicate lantern]

You have an interview at ticktock?

[obsidian crater]

tiktok tests everything lol

[rain patio]

if you end up working for roblox, please optimize their game engine plz

[obsidian crater]

from math to algo/ds to system design

insane hiring bar

[neon perch]

Ye

[obsidian crater]

only cracked people get in

[delicate lantern]

My interview with palatnir before were two graph questions

[neon perch]

Yeah I’ve heard

💀

[bold pier]

OG tech stack. If you had experience rn or it was 2021 you'd be getting calls left and right. Just coast it out

[delicate lantern]

I got one graph easy and the other I got almost done

But then I realized the problem would’ve been mad easy if I just did a dsu

And now I know dsu

I could’ve did palantir if I knew dsu before 😭

Or at least moved forward to the next round 😓

My motivation to do 1 leetcode a day is so that when I get that interview there is no way in gods am I failing

I’ll solve leetcode hard in 30 minutes if that’s what it takes 😤

[vague dune]

No, I said it is purely hypothetical. I might reach out to them and see if they have any roles available.

[rain patio]

idk if i'd ever want to work for tiktok....basically chinese spyware that's brainwashing kids

even the defense industry is more ethical imo

surprising since it comes from china lol

[rain patio]

the bjp?

how do i join

[willow sedge]

idk id personally take tiktik over the us government

[wet jacinth]

I was ghosted in TikTok Final HM for summer intern last year.

It was waste of my freakin time

[whole roost]

Forward Deploy Engineer @ TechLead

Duties:
(i) edit and deploy videos
(ii) create and deploy comments

[delicate lantern]

I asked for feedback and they said that my variables names could’ve been better

Like instead of x and y which is probably my fault I could’ve used parent, child to make it clear

[rain patio]

bro

the bjp charges a membership fee

fuck this

[delicate lantern]

Ya 😭

But I was too focused on the algorithm part

[delicate lantern]

And completely forgot about that 😭😭

[rain patio]

bruh

wat the fuck is the pincode

oh fuck

what zip code should i put

im more indian than you lmao

bruh

i have friends from india

like international student friends

from college

how do i pay the membership fee?

im applying to the bjp

duh

wait how would i pay the membership fee

oh what the fuck

what year is this

they said they want me to mail a check to them

fuck

i'll pay more for shipping

its literally bjp.org

chads

whose the other guy

the handsome dude on the right

but they based

then why the fuck are they making me mail in a chekc to them

oh im dumb

@lunar sonnet

i didn't even pay

@obsidian crater

bruh im not invited to events

[analog sigil]

L

[rain patio]

what should i say

[analog sigil]

[analog sigil]

put the lyrics to "look at me!"

fascist one tbh

thas fine

BJP larper

lol

🇮🇳

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-spiderman-spiderverse-across-the-spider-verse-chai-tea-gif-14428002463126744265

[rain patio]

Mumbattan

My fave crossover

[analog sigil]

same

https://tenor.com/view/spiderverse-india-spiderman-india-pavitr-prabhakar-across-the-spiderverse-gif-564270905314145467

[rain patio]

Yes

Yep

[analog sigil]

its rly rly good

was it that bad?

[rain patio]

Music, art, everything so good

I like Nolan

[analog sigil]

i like nolans

[rain patio]

Worse than Tenet?

I coped so hard with Tenet

Nolan 4 life

had to fend off the haters

while being disappointed

wait tenet isn't good?

i thought it was pretty cool

[analog sigil]

tenet u needa watch many times to appreciate

[rain patio]

bro…

[analog sigil]

they had this one indian actress in tenet

[rain patio]

Tenet concept good, plot mid

[analog sigil]

TDK is my fav movie

of all time

[analog sigil]

REAL

[rain patio]

The old lady?

[analog sigil]

ya

[rain patio]

She’s a side character ngl

they just kinda introduced her

and then left her

Haven’t watched I want to watch

[analog sigil]

It’s rly good

Riddlers so good

[analog sigil]

Tru

[willow sedge]

im at the point that i might buy some crystals and start manifesting a job for myself

[torpid crown]

If a LinkedIn job post has a specific recruiter attached to that post, does it make sense to reach out to them to tell them I applied to that position or should I just wait without reaching out?

[bold pier]

Reach out and express interest, everyone else is cold applying anyway. Based on personal experience, 9 out of 10 times they won't even look at your messages, but the 1 time they do could potentially mean employment.

[willow sedge]

i’ve gotten one to reply to me and so far that job only has 40 applicants 🥺

[tame hamlet]

hello everyone

does anyone have reccs for good masters of cs programs

preferably funded lol :(

[distant pike]

Anyone got Walmart SE III interview? pls ping me? I need help.

[oblique harbor]

You guys are getting interviews? Lucky...

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[tardy geode]

Leetcode down ?

[bold pier]

What's a leetcode

[tardy geode]

https://tenor.com/view/rakeitoop-rokeitup-dj-khaled-surf-gif-21792750

LC down so gonna go touch grass ^^

[remote sail]

Yeah LC submissions not working

[tardy geode]

https://tenor.com/view/caos-bob-esponja-crisis-patricio-gif-23199341

shit

i have no clue what to do now

connection timed out smh

[woven berry]

do you guys literally leetcode all day...

[tardy geode]

i woke up and after 15 mins opened LC and did 2 problems that i did yesterday

[remote sail]

Either get busy living or get busy dying ya know..and LC makes me want to do the latter 😹

Where r u guys from

[woven berry]

From the West

literally lmao

[tardy geode]

i don't get the time to do that as i am in a shitty sweatshop and wanna get out asap

so i am desperate to gtfo here

if i had a stable job then i wouldn't be at home doing LC and applying like crazy on weekends

on weekdays i sleep for 4 hours thats it

[tacit grove]

exact same situation

[tardy geode]

would rather work on some project today than do LC , LC seems fried today

[tardy geode]

yea , that too with intern pay but i am learning nothing . sometimes they make me do sales stuff , random shit too . also its very toxic

i took it just to stop my clock and they don't sponsor also

and i have a student loan so whatever i get i put that money to pay off my loan . its basically survival money

but then i hardly get time to prep OR apply . so i have to sleep for 4 hours during weekdays

also no work from home policy makes it more tough

and overcontrolling ceo

mental health has gone south , stress levels and panic are imminent 5 days a week

btw did anyone hear back from stripe? ng position

https://tenor.com/view/rakeitoop-rokeitup-dj-khaled-surf-gif-21792750

[opaque basin]

Stripe sent out OA yesterday if you didn’t get it you probably got rejected

[tardy geode]

F

[cold pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-sad-cry-gif-26388159

[tardy geode]

also is it only me or even y'all see no new jobs posted on linkedin since yesterday

[vital meteor]

What came out this week, stripe qualtrics anyscale?

[bronze heath]

scale ai also came out this week

[tardy geode]

those companies prefer T5 schools

[bronze heath]

which specifically?

[vital meteor]

I'm guessing all except qualtrics

[cold pawn]

study node and react

[bronze heath]

based on my experience a large proportion of scale is definitely from top schools but they also will pass candidates from lesser known schools too

stripe seems to look at school a bit less

[vital meteor]

That's good to hear, so there's a chance

[bronze heath]

it sort of does for your first gig but after that not really

[tardy geode]

whose?

for first it does

[ornate cliff]

it does lmao... it's not everything but it's the biggest filter

[tardy geode]

hope so brother

gonna do 1d - dp today wish me luck fellas

[candid gyro]

Not the biggest filter tbh if you’re not in the ivies

Or some top tier uni

[tardy geode]

is it because i don't have much java/springboot experience , thats why i am getting lot of rejects ?

i am confused af

or is it that i am international thats why

JS and its frameworks , Python and its frameworks , GraphQL , Docker , jenkins , kubernetes , aws and stuff

in db i have worked with both relational and non relational

wdym ? can you elaborate more

[rain patio]

@tardy geode it’s cause ur intl

[tardy geode]

fml

[rain patio]

U will find a spot trust

[tardy geode]

yeah probably

[tardy geode]

brother i have been at this shit since a year , its been an exact year today. last year today i got a no for my return offer and have been grinding since

well let me share my resume

[rain patio]

Pm resume

[tardy geode]

i will post it in #1019675142248468601

and tag you guys

[rain patio]

^

[tardy geode]

i have a lot of react exp

like its what i started my career with

i posted my resume , tagged you there

it makes it worse

i feel lost

[past hound]

Big mood

[tardy geode]

this my mood everyday at the EOD ^

[past hound]

Me when I wake up and see the rejection emails

[autumn iris]

[past hound]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-cry-reading-pepe-the-frog-sad-gif-17607942

[hardy cypress]

I know I am still human...because I can still feel the pain from the daily morning rejection emails...

[tardy geode]

four phases everyday
Morning :
Afternoon :
Evening :
Night :

[cloud zinc]

If I were to focus on CRUD projects, would that be considered more of a backend skillset or "fullstack"

I know most of the work involves databases and API's, but could I spin the layout of the website as displaying "frontend skills"?

[obsidian crater]

If you use react

[tardy geode]

Express , Node , Springboot , Django , Flask

frontend would be react or may be angular or something

[cloud zinc]

Haven't had a language in mind, but I need to do as much as possible within a month so I can find an offer in my uni's career fair

also to prepare for October which is Vermont's Tech Jam

[tardy geode]

it depends on which language you are comfy with ? if you like Java, for the backend go for springboot

if you like js then express

if python then djangoREST , django or flask

fast api

[cloud zinc]

For the love of god, I need to be cracked before the end of this year. I cannot begin my 24th birthday unemployed again

[tardy geode]

if c# then .net is the fw

[cold pawn]

C# is just Java but from Microsoft

[wet jacinth]

How many 24th birthdays did you have?

[cloud zinc]

Apologies for the poor choice of words, What I meant was that I started this year and the years before that unemployed.

[tardy geode]

is anyone here into mongodb ? I have worked a lot in realtional databases so i am aware of designing and developing them (er diagram and stuff) but I have less knowledge of non relational db specifically MongoDB . what could be a great start for learning data modelling /desigining in NoSQL DB's like mongodb

its for work sadly

i just wanna survive somehow at work so gotta learn it

the people in there are dumb af and think i am some staff swe

and have that level of expectations

[obsidian crater]

[tardy geode]

its a fucking sweatshop

i cannot i am international

it has stopped my unemployment clock

i need to have something lined up , like another offer to get oout

otherwise if i just walk away then i have 90 days to find something or get kicked out of US

[obsidian crater]

Learn elasticsearch

[tardy geode]

the ceo likes mongodb coz their stocks are doing good , i fucking told him sql is way better for a billing system not a nosql db

what a fucking idiot

[obsidian crater]

Today's LC contest is guaranteed quant interview if you do top 5 or 10 or something

[ornate cliff]

i just did a project with mongo and python

I used the mongo tutorials they're decent

one choice you have to make is have documents within documents, or documents separately and store IDs as sort of foreign keys

[fresh mango]

@tardy geode how'd you go about learning SQL?

[ornate cliff]

and I made classes to enforce data modelling otherwise it would have been a mess lmao

using pymodm

[tardy geode]

i learnt it during my undergrad and then at work i used to work with relational db's like sql ,postgresql etc

so i am good at it but nosql i just did it for a mern project which just involved making models using mongoose

[ornate cliff]

I wish I used mongoose lmao

[tardy geode]

i can do ER diagrams , normalizations etc but in mongo i have no clue about data modelling , what's the equivalent of joins in nosql etc

[tardy geode]

mongoose i think is when you are using node as a backend , with python its something called pymongo ig

[ornate cliff]

I think the whole point of nosql is to use it for non normalized data

so don't have to worry about that stuff?

some modelling to enforce data structure and access I guess?

[ornate cliff]

Oh I see I thought it's the object document mapping library

[bold pier]

Store logs in Linux file system and discard them, who needs telemetry anyway

[obsidian crater]

wtf is pl/sql

why do all boomer companies use it

[ornate cliff]

nosql is goated at scaling tho

amazon pushing everyone to use dynamodb internally

what about the others? same just not aws?

I think with a solid model it's not that bad?

im a noob idk

does anyone actually use mongo

i thought everyone's on cassandra

[tardy geode]

i mean lets say we have 2 tables invoice and customer so i want to link both of them using the customer id which would be the PK in customer and a foreign key in invoice . how do we do this in mongo

ik there are no relations or keys in mongo

[ornate cliff]

yeah it's all manual

or... you store the invoices nested within the customer table 😂

[tardy geode]

seems like mongo is shit

smh

[ornate cliff]

I like it for ease of use

no hassle setup

[grizzled bronze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vPt7GI-2kc

[arctic orchid]

Yeee like Postgre

I know Redis is really popular too never used it tho

[tardy geode]

🤮

mongodb has a great marketing and sales team though , they sold off the ceo . now the ceo is paying them 80k to build a sample app

💀

and i am pretty sure its gonna be shit

he was like "instead of paying y'all salaries why not ask them to build themselves they are experts"

bro thought mongo would build an entire billing system for him

he is a senior citizen , should rather sell the company and enjoy his life instead of breaking his head into tech which he clearly doesn't understand

[jaunty basalt]

Meetup says to not use it as such bc distributed can lose writes

[ornate cliff]

nah it's postgres for transactions

[ornate cliff]

ohhh I see

Discord dumped Cassandra https://discord.com/blog/how-discord-stores-trillions-of-messages

so save fetch time for repeat queries? what are the other benefits?

Oh I see I see

are redis writes automatic? like are your DB calls auto-cached?

[tardy geode]

my ceo wants discord like system to be built in 2 weeks solely by me wtf

[burnt orchid]

If u aint have that 90 day deadline without a job, id tell u get outa there

[ornate cliff]

WTF

[fossil jewel]

ur ceo?

u got a job my homie?

[tardy geode]

i mean i don't consider man , they don't sponsor and pay is absolute bs . it stopped my clock tho

[tardy geode]

na mate , i have that shit otherwise would have walked away

its a dumpster fire tbh

[cloud zinc]

then you better pull up /s

[tardy geode]

?

[cloud zinc]

be the next steve jobs and build him that system

cs grindset

[tardy geode]

bruh

[cloud zinc]

I'm kidding that sounds ridiculous.

[tardy geode]

ikr

[burnt orchid]

Break off and start a company in a garage

[tardy geode]

lol

[cloud zinc]

sounds like one of those eyes-in-the-sky family members that heard you were pursuing tech

[tardy geode]

dude thinks software is magic

and is impatient af

doesn't wanna hire in the US as you gotta pay a lot

💀

yea sadly just 7 people here(i am the only SDE here) and the other 10-in south asia who are not even qualified .

shitty sweatshop

wanna gtfo asap

its like a factory with slaves

and no ethics at all

the cto is dumb af and she is related to CEO which is another red flah

*flag

she would teams call people in south asia and wake em up in the middle of the night if she wants something from them

[past hound]

And, they know they can treat you that way. The company has you by the balls with how work visas work.

[tardy geode]

well

[past hound]

Psuedo indentured servitude

[tardy geode]

i can get a volunteer job which would stop my clock but volunteer jobs don't pay

i am just making bank(shit pay but some money is also money ) here till it lasts , these people don't have work for me i can see that sometimes hence they keep giving me random shit so its like either i get laid off or i walk away with something lined up OR worst case i walk away with a volunteer job and survive on savings

[past hound]

I mean, yea, even shitty swe job is better than no job.

espically in your case

[cold pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/poor-no-money-gif-24226168

[tardy geode]

bro but theres no swe thing here , you know yesterday the dude told me to fix some random ass barcode issue and then asked me to talk to some IT company in Austria to get a quotation on API usage 💀 and infact the real issue was sending GB's of data to lambda functions that cannot sustain that quantity of data

but dude wouldn't understand it and says just fix it .

[cold pawn]

mortals think that SWEs are omniscient magicians but look down on them

[chilly burrow]

No 1 thinks swes are magicians

[tacit grove]

but this issue is you can't sustain long in a toxic temp job for long - so you are juggling both searching for a job and a temp job. It's quite a task.

[chilly burrow]

Is it?

How many hours a day do you spend searching?

[cold pawn]

whenever somebody can't turn on their computer they ask a SWE to "fix it" like magic wizards

[rich prairie]

my internship is over

am now unemployed

need to become a magic SWE wizard

[tacit grove]

if you are working in a toxic env and need to move out soon as poss it's just mentally draining that's the point I was trying to make

[chilly burrow]

Oh fair

[tardy geode]

this this

[tardy geode]

i wake up at 4am go to work at 9 come at 6 then sleep at 12-1am . and in between 1 and 2 when no ones at work i apply for jobs by sitting in a cafe

[tacit grove]

I have a similar schedule - it's incredibly painful

[chilly burrow]

Actually

[neon perch]

Any great system design prep resources apart from bytebytego?

[chilly burrow]

Damn that is tuff

I take back what I said then

[tacit grove]

alex yu's book

[chilly burrow]

System Design Primer, Grokking (pirate it)

[tardy geode]

yo long time no see , how you doing mate

[neon perch]

Yooo just hanging in there man, preparing for TikTok

[tardy geode]

damn you got an interview with em

[neon perch]

How are you bud?

[tardy geode]

hope you get in brother

[bold pier]

Everyone will get in

[tardy geode]

just surviving , each week feels like a survival

[neon perch]

0.1% chance but we go 🙌

[tacit grove]

we 3 are floating on the same boat @tardy geode @neon perch

[tardy geode]

how long will this shit go , ffs i am frustrated

[tacit grove]

once Thursday hits im just like okay have to wait for the next week for new things to open up + responses come through

[neon perch]

I swearrr

[tardy geode]

yea fri-sun linkedin is cold

[neon perch]

Hopefully just 2 more months max 🙏

[tardy geode]

i did like 7 LC probs today . combinations ,subsets and 1d dp . my brain is fried for the day

i can't think anymore for today

[tacit grove]

yes please 🙏😭

[tacit grove]

do you have a template set up for subsets and combinations?

[neon perch]

In a week it’s gonna be 1 year of applying for me 💀

[tardy geode]

at this point i have mugged it 💀 , don't judge

yes , very unstable

bro if i make it till december , i will drown in champagne

mon-fri is a chaotic and full of panic

[neon perch]

This is the free pdf yea?

[tardy geode]

as there is not structure here and dumb people around

[neon perch]

Thanks dude!

[tacit grove]

no we are trying to get something in the next month or 2. 1 year is not even what we are thinking

[vital meteor]

Damn why wake up so early, long transit?

[tardy geode]

4 to 8 i study and apply

since these fuckers keep random ass calls even after work

[pine topaz]

996

[rich prairie]

holy fuck

[tacit grove]

Yes. I ordered the hard copy from Amazon but I'm pretty sure I have seen pdfs online

[tardy geode]

and that bitch of a cto has no value about other peoples time. she would keep a 15 min call and drag it to 1.5 hours with no fucking outcome

[rich prairie]

i was up 445 for 6-230 still home by 345

[bold pier]

Someone make a documentary on my guy here

[rich prairie]

but that job ended

[tardy geode]

like she would fucking keep a call at 8:45pm in the night and drag it till 10pm .

[pine topaz]

your boss?

is she lonely

[tacit grove]

no wayyyy

[rain patio]

She cute?

[pine topaz]

i can comfort her, send her my way

[tardy geode]

dude these fuckers made me make reports for 3 weeks , told me to learn tableau

[tardy geode]

idgaf about her nor i look up to her as the CTO , titles are bs here

[tardy geode]

no not at all

[tacit grove]

when you are searching for a job/in a job that is mentally draining you become oblivious to how attractive someone is 😭 literally

[pine topaz]

what happens if you tell her that it soutside of working hrs,s o ur not gonna respond

[rain patio]

Depends on how fancy u want it to be

[tardy geode]

everybody hates her and bitches about her . she is childish

[pine topaz]

is she hot though

[tacit grove]

I close my laptop at 4:30pm sharp

[tardy geode]

i am not saying its hard but its not what i want to do ,

[bold pier]

Hold a mutiny

Attack at night

[rain patio]

Deadass my fantasy

[neon perch]

@tardy geode you got this man, I’m sure it’s not long before you land a great offer 💯

[ornate cliff]

this guy makes neat sys design videos https://www.youtube.com/@jordanhasnolife5163/videos specifically about the tech and its pros/cons

[pine topaz]

u like hot crazy girls?

[tardy geode]

she forces by saying "no no you will attend"

💀

[rain patio]

Lmfaooooooooo

[pine topaz]

bruhhhh

[rain patio]

You alr know

[neon perch]

Thank you!

[rain patio]

But no not yahkuna

[pine topaz]

im so sorry to hear about ur wlb

[bold pier]

atleast 3 people in chat got hard to this

[pine topaz]

that sounds awful

[tardy geode]

i attended the first time then i would just join for namesake and don't give a shit about it

[rain patio]

Yahkuna already publically rejected me

[rain patio]

Answer with "yes mommy" and see how she reacts

[tardy geode]

[rain patio]

I tried sliding into yahkunas dms

bro missed a golden opportunity

[pine topaz]

stop she has a bf

how about u move on

[tardy geode]

she thinks SQL db is non relational

💀

[rain patio]

Who you?

[rain patio]

u must assert your dominance and become her new and improved bf

[pine topaz]

no hannah

[bold pier]

she could do with 2 :3

[pine topaz]

sttop it im not a home wrecker

stop it g usy

[pine topaz]

how is she CTO

whog ave her the title

[tardy geode]

coz her dad is the ceo

💀

[rain patio]

cough cough NEPOTISM

Mf like me wife’s the CTO

Result of me sliding to yahkuna

bro this is a golden opportunity

[past hound]

Are you paid for work outside of hours?

[tardy geode]

no

[neon perch]

I’m just using my current firm to stop my clock and told my manager I won’t be able to commit much due to applying and networking and he allowed

[bold pier]

sue them, make bank

[rain patio]

tell her you require payment for after hours work and that you don't accept money

ask her to take you to dinner

[past hound]

Wage theft

[ornate cliff]

nice save

[tacit grove]

guys we got this. let's stay positive

[tardy geode]

smh , my life is fucked and i want to get out of this . everyday i have headaches stress and anxiety

[rain patio]

Slide into her slack messages

[tardy geode]

[rain patio]

And pull a 90 day fiance

[rain patio]

oh that's no save lol. After the dinner, you know what comes next

[ornate cliff]

** W A G M I **

[ornate cliff]

actually i don't i never made it that far

[tacit grove]

same here. I literally say the exact same thing everyday 😭

[pine topaz]

I think the best way is to date her, and then you become the CTO after her dad sees your value

[rain patio]

@tardy geode u are intl? This is ur path to citizenship

[neon perch]

WERE GONNA MAKE IT SEPTEMBER IS ALMOST HERE LFGGG

[tardy geode]

in all seriousness , i want to gtfo here asap hence i am desperately applying studying and what not

[pine topaz]

for realll

[tacit grove]

YES!!! 🙏🌟

[ornate cliff]

LET THE SEPTEMBER COPE COMMENCE

🚀

[tardy geode]

dude she is married smh

[pine topaz]

frig is he in the company

[bold pier]

WAKE ME UP WHEN AUGUST ENDS

[tardy geode]

no man

[rain patio]

That’s good

90 day fiance

Time

It’s a 1v1

[tardy geode]

ffs

[rain patio]

I think big ed is single

[pine topaz]

life is unfair

[past hound]

https://tenor.com/view/wake-me-up-when-september-ends-gif-18645420

[rain patio]

Life is unfair for el sticcos

[pine topaz]

yahkuna is like a beetle

u look liek a stick bug

[tardy geode]

bruh

[rain patio]

I prefer to be a praying mantis

Fuck it im posting the photo

[pine topaz]

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-mantis-animals-praying-mantis-chewing-gif-3387411

[tardy geode]

https://tenor.com/view/rakeitoop-rokeitup-dj-khaled-surf-gif-21792750

[bold pier]

THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE IN US

[pine topaz]

i believe in friend, this is only temporarry

[tardy geode]

BUT GOD DID

[pine topaz]

[tardy geode]

https://tenor.com/view/i-did-it-dj-khaled-released-youtube-originals-new-music-gif-1294281749636121830

[rain patio]

@pulsar mural your bodyshame don't work

[ornate cliff]

so everyone here is graduated and panicking like me right?

[pine topaz]

nah. septermbers gonna be good

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/to-this-day-deontay-wilder-meme-to-this-day-meme-angry-gif-13030766

[rain patio]

thought u said she has a boyfriend 🤨

[neon perch]

https://tenor.com/view/blow-job-no-job-logo-gif-13658834

[pine topaz]

this time its different

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs069dndIYk

for real

everyoens here probs too broke to go clubbing

on a sat night

[pulsar cloud]

wow dog keep it up

[pine topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/john-dance-heart-smooth-boy-gif-16765850

[rain patio]

These jeans make my legs look small

[ornate cliff]

throw away your skinny jeans

[rain patio]

Body shamer

Ik

My legs aren't that small

But ima cross country runner

So maybe

They aren't big

[ornate cliff]

attach that photo as cover letter

and enjoy 2sig

[rain patio]

Quant Bros are big tho

They got the designer shit

[ornate cliff]

you almost there sticko bro

[tardy geode]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/585758820102569984.gif?size=240&quality=lossless

[fossil jewel]

[tardy geode]

[rain patio]

My company has a bench press meetup

[tardy geode]

are you in 2sig?

[rain patio]

No

I'm in cali

[tardy geode]

oh

[cold pawn]

in 2024 companies will require you to record yourself answering HireVue questions while you're benching 300 lbs

[pine topaz]

Nah AI will replace all of us by then

[neon perch]

This is all happening because of a dumb pangolin

💀

[tardy geode]

what is pangolin

[rain patio]

Are you at 2sig?

[tardy geode]

i bench 69lb

[neon perch]

Suspect for spreading Covid

[tardy geode]

oh ok

[tardy geode]

covid was spread by bats right ?

[cold pawn]

Citadel only doing GHC now

[tardy geode]

[neon perch]

They went from bats to pangolin to raccoon dogs

Keeps changing

[tardy geode]

💀

[neon perch]

LOOOLLLL

[rich prairie]

opens NG app

"must be graduated by may 2023"

"must still be in school"

!!?!??!

[pulsar cloud]

guess I'll apply

[rich prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/capoo-sad-gif-13270548

[vital meteor]

Do they check if you went to ghc

[rain patio]

If I can't even rizz yahkuna am I ngmi @pine topaz

[ornate cliff]

Will there be more posts on Monday?

I like getting ghosted

and would like to get more ghosted

[tardy geode]

ng 2024 is no better than ng 2023 coz of the amount of applicants

[heavy reef]

ng serve?

😭

[tardy geode]

whats mg serve?

[pulsar cloud]

i think they meant ng serve

pretty gross...

[tardy geode]

?

[heavy reef]

Yeah, my brain is rotting from no job.

[tardy geode]

meh angular

the most bs framework ever

[heavy reef]

Thoughts on it VS Next.js?

[pine topaz]

next.js is amazing

[tardy geode]

oh fr ?

[pine topaz]

angular is 🤮

[heavy reef]

Where are you seeing this?

[tardy geode]

angular is shitty af

[pine topaz]

yeah its prety nice if u need ur app to be an SSR

[heavy reef]

Nice, I just swapped from Angular to Next.js for a personal project.

Trying to do that with Django backend.

[pine topaz]

yeah good choice

[pulsar cloud]

lol u should only touch angular if ur job forces u to

[tardy geode]

fidelity has shit ton of angular and java

[heavy reef]

Oop, I had to do it for a working experience.

It wasn't bad.

[cold pawn]

it's on Optivers website

[neon perch]

Idk man I feel it’s really unfortunate. Without being a new grad now gotta apply to 1-2 YOE roles to get call backs

Cause not many consider me a new grad anyone

[heavy reef]

Fucking hell, shouldn't need grad roles be for 2023 people, not 2024.

[cold pawn]

bruh Revature spams their entry level positions all over LinkedIn

[heavy reef]

Like at least include June 2023.

Fucking hell.

[neon perch]

They’re idiots

[heavy reef]

Beginning to feel I need to know the entire CS field at this point or I'm not good enough.

[neon perch]

Exactlyyy

[heavy reef]

Where the fuck is that from?

[cold pawn]

some random entry level job from LinkedIn for 70k TC

[heavy reef]

LMAO.

I refuse to settle for less when I see friends in TDP programs making base six figures with zero LeetCode.

[cold pawn]

https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/3601382675/?alternateChannel=search&refId=KzpuPVNb4Obarw7UyQBefQ%3D%3D&trackingId=vBbTe6zNk80lyvyL0CWTiQ%3D%3D&trk=d_flagship3_search_srp_jobs

[heavy reef]

Like Optum and Wells Fargo.

It's a rotational program.

Hearing mtfs over there jacking off and making six figs makes me mald.

But they're making good money and getting experience while I have jack shit rn.

Ugh.

I just need some light at the end of this tunnel. I'm a 2023 June grad and I can't help but feel if I don't get a job by the end of the year.

I'm like unwanted trash.

[rain patio]

Bro chud is gone

You can come back now

That's a philosophy to midness

[heavy reef]

Don't think I'm aiming that high, but I want to at least have a decent base in SoCal.

Like I said, if people are jacking off and making base 112k in SoCal through rotational programs.

I can do better.

Literally heard from a friend in a rotational program that a lot of his co-workers are just partying and drinking every night.

And I can think of at least a dozen people more qualified than that.

Who actually care about and are passionate about code.

I just hope it does.

[rain patio]

Still come back

And block chud

[heavy reef]

Because I'm not seeing the light at the end of tunnel with this job market.

[rich prairie]

I JUST HAD A APP

ASK ME FOR A SAT/ACT SCORE

?????????

[heavy reef]

Why not.

LOL.

Do it.

[rain patio]

Quant?

[rich prairie]

actually yea it was a finance firm

but it was a NG SWE jr pos

ALSO

ALSO

THE SIMPLIFY JOB APP AUTO FILLER

IS CRACKED AF

[heavy reef]

Worth?

[rich prairie]

INSTALL THAT SHIT

[heavy reef]

Okay, time to do it.

[arctic orchid]

My business major friends were absolutely mind blown by Simplify

[swift falcon]

sup fellow doomers

[arctic orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

[swift falcon]

what are we doing this fine saturday eve

[arctic orchid]

Eating a breakfast burrito for dinner

[swift falcon]

nice

i just had a footlong

[heavy reef]

Anyone in this group chat feeling as desperate as I am and want to form a support group where we grind the fuck out of this job market and share in our progress?

[swift falcon]

is that not what this chat is?

[past hound]

That is already this chat

[swift falcon]

we laugh we cry we live we die

[pulsar cloud]

newsflash pal

[swift falcon]

never split the party

[past hound]

There is so much dooming here for a reason. A lot of people are struggling more than usual.

[heavy reef]

Lol.

[past hound]

There are people here with FAANG level internships without a offer.

[heavy reef]

I guess.

[past hound]

Market is crazy

[swift falcon]

we’re dead in the water

[cloud zinc]

you're allowed to lie about the "customer" of a software passion project, right?

[swift falcon]

no

unless it’s true

[cloud zinc]

Like if I claimed that my app would apply to a real-world problem, and I state in an interview that the customer was too stubborn to accept my project, would that be viable?

[swift falcon]

bad look tbh

never shit talk in interview

[heavy reef]

Would they even ask you that?

I'd just lie tbh.

Not like they could verify anything.

[swift falcon]

could just say you’re working on finding customers

or sth

[cloud zinc]

Earlier this summer, I had a plan to modernize the scheduling system of a local auto repair shop. Since they haven't responded to my project proposal, I've decided to work on the project anyways and tell recruiters that "this was going to be a freelancing project, but the client changed their mind" or something like that

Because it is a real-world problem, and some of the employees at that location are tired of recording appointments in pen and paper.

[swift falcon]

they care about yoe tbh

[pine topaz]

eveyrone talks about to always grind

but no one asks how are you

[heavy reef]

I'm sure everyone is feeling like pure shit.

I know my mental state has been in the dumps for like two weeks.

And it's only going to get worse.

[swift falcon]

try 2 years

[heavy reef]

Yep.

[swift falcon]

[past hound]

About 2 years as well. Mental health as been in the toliet since at least junior year.

Way worse now that I am unemployed

[swift falcon]

I am the frog in boiling water

covid and chill was fun at first

[pine topaz]

thank you for sharing how you feel guys

[swift falcon]

but I was shut off from the world in wfh and now I have stagnated

[heavy reef]

Oh dw man, I'm only just living alone in a country where none of my family is here at all and I took care of my mom until she died from cancer not long ago and I'm questioning why I live every day while I grind LeetCode and personal projects with no direction.

[swift falcon]

ok fr that is sad bro

im sorry 😔

[heavy reef]

I could die right now and be okay, but I want to give back to this world somehow.

LOOL, nw, such is life.

So now I must grind.

For what reason, idfk, but I have to.

She ain't here to see me get an actual career going, but I gotta grind. Let's do this, brothers.

[swift falcon]

I am thinking of sending another email on monday

like a lover who can’t get over their ex

“why didn’t you choose me baby, pls I just want to make things work”

[heavy reef]

LOOL.

[pine topaz]

this is why ur ex broke up with u

[swift falcon]

I think that will go over well

i have no exes

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-spongebob-meme-dab-gif-24208634

[pine topaz]

u have achieved one true love

ur wife msut be very special

[heavy reef]

Exes?

Wives?

[past hound]

Or just never dated anyone

[heavy reef]

What are those?

I only know LeetCode.

[past hound]

[pine topaz]

its okay, ur time willc ome

[swift falcon]

ok fr tho

[ornate cliff]

if they ask say it's still a work in progress otherwise don't mention it

[swift falcon]

september when jobs cum

got to be

༼ つ ◕◕ ༽つ ༼ つ ◕◕ ༽つ

[ornate cliff]

you're a top tier son, you'll make her proud whichever direction you take in life

[heavy reef]

I hope I can do NeetCode 150 by heart by then.

[ornate cliff]

you'll bounce back just give yourself time

slow and steady

[heavy reef]

Thank you, I appreciate the kind words. Feels like the grief will never quite go away, but I take it day by day.

LeetCode cures depression.

LOL jk.

[swift falcon]

imagine getting rejected for a position after a recruiter contacts you to set up a phone screen, the recruiter still calls you so you’re kind of unprepared, then tells you “I’ve got a a front end and back end position open, which do you prefer” you say either but back end, then the recruiter asks how many yoe and you say like 1.5 sort of but have a lot of experience in academics (casually drop the master’s thesis) and the recruiter says “sorry buddy, I wish you said 2 years” but “I love that you’re a vet so let me put you in my mainframe programmer training list in a month” and you look at the job reqs and it’s basically some job for ppl with no skills/experience whatsoever

like imagine that

[heavy reef]

Wtf?

Do recruiters even know what they want anymore?

[ornate cliff]

recruiters are honestly bots

that's amazing

[swift falcon]

like there’s jobs out there for unskilled ppl, and there’s jobs for 2-3 yoe+ ppl, but there is nothing for ppl that just have a damn degree

like bro, what is the point

[ornate cliff]

lessons learned: lie to recruiters

[heavy reef]

I really wish we didn't have to go through all this bullshit to get a job. I'm the type where if someone hands me a task, I'll get it done. I just need that task to push me, which is why I've done the most amount of learning in my Hackathons.

[cold pawn]

the point is that degree is useless

[swift falcon]

like if ur a nobody you basically have to create some big ass production level shit just to be able to have a crumb of a chance

[rich prairie]

NO

[swift falcon]

I ain’t got the time for that shit

[heavy reef]

In addition to having top tier DSA knowledge.

[cold pawn]

that you're most likely not gonna even use ever

[swift falcon]

remember when degrees mattered!?!?

jfc

[past hound]

Mood

[limber lake]

mood

[rich prairie]

mood

[past hound]

Give me a task to do, and even if I don't know what the hell to do from the start, I'll figure it out.

That is problem solving

[ornate cliff]

well everyone has one...

they mattered even less

you could do bootcamp and get into faang

covid times were so good

[rich prairie]

my bootcamp is going to be downloading all the Standford CS Lecture PPTs and going thru that shit myself

[neon perch]

A recruiter asked me which do you prefer I said either but backend and I got rejected right away lol

[wet jacinth]

[tacit grove]

Oh! Is it better to say full-stack then on the safe side?

[swift falcon]

I think the point is that it doesn't matter

[dusky folio]

My recruiter asked me when can I start at the end of the meeting and next day I received a rejection email.

[solemn kite]

Feel like all hope is lost nowadays

How do you guys get through this

[obsidian crater]

ropium

[cold pawn]

ropium
time to move to india and earn 14k/yr and enjoy your wealth

[heavy reef]

Wake up and cry.

Live and breathe more LeetCode.

[torpid crown]

Now even masters loses it's value because everyone goes to grad out of desperation