2023_grads

[heavy reef]

Naw man, you ain't got three fucking Bachelor's, now that's a waste of time. LOOL.

[shut crescent]

i got 2

SWE & econ thats it

i wanted CS masters

never went for it

[cloud zinc]

how hard is it to get a role at stripe?

damn

[shut crescent]

any unicorn is prob gonna be harder than faang

im pretty sure when the market picks up faang is going to be the easiest if u did leetcode lol

[cloud zinc]

I saw that they encouraged anyone outside of recent grads to apply for their entry level role, so I applied immediately

rip

[shut crescent]

i cant wait until this market picks up

[ornate cliff]

Apple is great if your resume matches the job description... they're very particular

[cold pawn]

easy
just know http and crud and you have the offer

[ornate cliff]

not sure how crazy resume screen is, and they basically invented their own interview style which most stratups kinda try to copy

pair programming/debugging/practical API/http etc

[cloud zinc]

its a unicorn, so I'll just move on to something else

[ornate cliff]

move on to Jane Street, leave the scraps for the rest of us

[cloud zinc]

A recruiter DM'd me about a QA role at an unspecified company. If things don't work out in tech, I'd hopefully get something with this guy

I know. I just found out and ate there the day before moving in to Rochester

[bold pier]

lmao the implication that QA is not tech

[cloud zinc]

Starting my Masters within a week. Planning on making projects and finding roles with my old resume so I can drop out

There are tons of entreprenuership/startup opportunities at RIT, so I'm hoping to work with someone in the business college to get more experience

swen

When my parents and I went into the restaurant, the owner noticed we were latino and met with us directly. Little did he know, we frequently ate at his restaurant when it was in our town.

[rough quail]

Is there Github link for new grad SWE posting?

[tacit grove]

how did your interview go??

[bold pier]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[bold pier]

checked pinned github link in #2024_grads for latest, there's nothing for 2023 grads now

[heavy reef]

Wow, that's great to hear.

😭

[bold pier]

Went well according to me, hope they think the same

[tacit grove]

👍👍

[hollow flicker]

This guy's got it

[obsidian crater]

This guy is astro dev

[hollow flicker]

Why aren't we all making 7 figures in 2 days?

Explain

This is really just words to live by tbh

[obsidian crater]

troll post?

AI Director Quant Researcher @ Two Sigma

[woven berry]

at 20 I can see why he wouldnt wanna go

[hollow flicker]

No I think it's a real post

He says he's 20

[obsidian crater]

You can probably make over a million as a senior/staff level quant at a big hedge fund

[woven berry]

i mean hes super young

but most new grads are out by 21

usually

[hollow flicker]

I went to college at 21

L mindset

[woven berry]

Im not saying he cant go cuz of age but I see why he would feel that way

its never too late

[hollow flicker]

I had my gen eds done tho so not apt comparison

Nah ik I thought the same but it's an L mindset

You aren't gonna just sneak around it these days that's fasho

[woven berry]

yeah, I think college is a good investment. You dont only get the knowledge but the network too tbh

[hollow flicker]

Yeah fr

[woven berry]

I wouldnt have all the connections I have today if it wasnt for college

both in academia and industry

[hollow flicker]

Also having the self discipline to learn a lot of fundamental shit isn't really in a lot of people I feel

I'd like to see the guy who made that post actually dedicate 6 hours a day to learning

[woven berry]

true, at some point tho it turns into "Ive spent too much money to quit now" 😂

so even if you wanted to, financially speaking it would be the dumbest move

but discipline and comminitment are def a big part of it too

[heavy reef]

Tbh, those are the true geniuses.

Grinding is the equivalent of Netflix/YouTube for them.

[oblique harbor]

Are any of you applying to jobs in countries outside of the US like this guy, because the job market is so bad Right now? https://reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/s/nsjJmD2SPf

[obsidian crater]

I applied to JPMC in the UK

They sent me an OA which I did 100% on and then they ghosted me lol

[burnt orchid]

leetcode is down

guess no practicing for me tn

[bold pier]

leetcode is cancer

[valid flame]

ohhhh nooooooo

[obsidian crater]

[cloud zinc]

I thought it was harder to get a job outside of your country.

If you're in the US

[bold pier]

If you're us citizen, it's not harder necessarily but kind of not worth it because US is one of the strongest currency

You can't really do better

But then europe has free healthcare

[swift falcon]

bro just https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMbx0dTWJIQ

[past hound]

can confirm

[swift falcon]

I saw a reddit comment saying sth to the effect of “you’re dead in the water 1 year out of school as a new cs grad”

chat is this true?

[chilly burrow]

idk

its def hard

[past hound]

After 12 months, you aren't considered a new grad anymore.

[chilly burrow]

but i kno som1 personally who got a job 1.5 yrs after grad

not at a gr8 company

but he transitioned to a midsize after

and then a big tech

[chilly burrow]

v tru

[swift falcon]

I mean they have to be lenient right?

since it’s a shit market

[past hound]

lol no

[swift falcon]

goddman

[past hound]

They don't care

[swift falcon]

it’s over for the little guy

[past hound]

which why I will take the first offer I get

I don't want to be a new grad with no experience

[chilly burrow]

y woud they care lol

its a shit market

they're also prob not doin gr8

its not charity

its a corporation

[swift falcon]

yeah well

[honest estuary]

frfr

[swift falcon]

they can charideez nutz

[chilly burrow]

honestly u 100% shoud

u can always keep lookin

but accept what u get

[past hound]

If I only had one

[chilly burrow]

yea tbh dats ur best bet

keep lookin casually

[swift falcon]

I don’t want to be dead in the water

[placid lake]

😔

nobody does

[swift falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-glitch-water-drowning-drown-gif-26132865

[turbid shadow]

Question: I got into Rice and UT for MSCS online and pursuing masters degree primarily in hopes of securing f500 job (might be a dumb move but felt it was my only opportunity). Torn between the two atm and can’t decide. Anyone know which would have a better roi in terms of breaking into f500/faang?

[ornate cliff]

which has a better co-op?

and isn't UT like top tier?

[opal iron]

Rice is really good, they’re just small

[ornate cliff]

bro I applied in January

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[swift falcon]

beautiful, woke up to a rejection for position that I had a phone screen scheduled for?

[turbid shadow]

Not too sure about co-op if I were to guess though I’d probably say UT

[turbid shadow]

It is but I think rice seems more focused on their students, but then again it’s 5x more expensive

[solemn spire]

Damn yall fearing being dead in the water

Im neck deep.

https://tenor.com/view/kaptorga-terminator-thumbs-up-ok-alright-gif-12321108

[swift falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/suicide-noose-rope-sewercide-imdone-gif-24206679

[fallen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-kermit-the-frog-i-cant-take-this-shh-no-more-jump-off-suicide-gif-15872103

[obsidian crater]

Is this UCLA?

I made it to 2nd round and fucked up some LC question

[neon perch]

How long after they send the profile to the hiring manager?

[obsidian crater]

I think I applied in December, my interviews were in February

That position is probably filled/closed by now anyways

[neon perch]

I see

I got that email this Sunday from UCLA

[obsidian crater]

I can't apply to that position

[heavy reef]

Time to earn my 15 bucks a day in court while I do LC hards in my brain.

[neon perch]

Anyone interviewed with akuna capital?

[cloud zinc]

already passed the 1 year post-grad limit and now I'm doing everything possible to escape this hole

[solemn spire]

Miracle is the only thing that can save me

[cloud zinc]

I tried to find a job within that year and ended up taking the masters route

[hollow flicker]

Damn so I really should take this shitty offer

[bold pier]

https://tenor.com/view/this-cat-i-have-hired-this-cat-to-stare-at-you-hired-cat-cat-stare-gif-26392360

[halcyon topaz]

How’s the palantir OA?

[vital meteor]

its same as fdse

[willow sedge]

was gonna take an oa today but headache said nope

[halcyon topaz]

i didnt take the fdse one

is it hard

[hollow flicker]

Me rn

Bros this offer got me sketched out

I talked to them more today and they basically said it's mostly SQL which just...bruh

[jade seal]

you have an offer?

[hollow flicker]

its pretty bad lol

yall think i should take it and just hope for the best?

tc is bad but idc about that its more the SQL shit

idk how marketable it is

[jade seal]

Did you graduate already?

[hollow flicker]

yes I did this month

[tacit grove]

Has anyone seen anything open up today/this past week?

[hollow flicker]

i feel like I should take it given i dont want to have a gap

rather than wait for something better

[jade seal]

Take it keep applying to jobs but if you cannot renege soon then just keep working for like a yr and embellish the shit out of those resume bullet points

[hollow flicker]

yeah

i might get to leave in 4-5 months for something

(delayed offer)

[jade seal]

pretty obvious advice but don't leave until you have another offer in hand

Niceeee

yaah just fill in the gap thats much better than straight up not working right after graduating

[hollow flicker]

alr lol ill probably do it, just seems kinda ass experience wise so im nervous lol

[willow sedge]

sql is fun thou

[jade seal]

ass experience > no experience

[hollow flicker]

yes its fun but is it good experience

[hollow flicker]

true true

cant forget

yeah i definitely will be trying to do that if i take it

like just go hard so they put me on the more heavy shit

❤️

for sure, thanks guys

[cold pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-again-rly-really-gif-24837012

Writing in Squeal for 6 months for 65k would make anyone squeal

[hollow flicker]

its better than $0

[cold pawn]

don't you have few other options or are they worse

[hollow flicker]

nothing like solid solid

just the delayed offer and an interview

thats why O(N!) says 6 months

[autumn iris]

u guys have jobs yet

[hollow flicker]

im contemplating an offer does that count?

[autumn iris]

[cold pawn]

would anyone here work for a job that pays 100k but the culture is very toxic?

[swift falcon]

yeah if I didn't have a commute

there is a job "near" me that is like a 1hr 40min away, known for being super toxic + high turn over

but it would be a stepping stone

and I'd take it if I lived closer

[hollow flicker]

Should I move to avoid 45 min commute

[cold pawn]

45 commute is pretty good

[hollow flicker]

I'm the beginning, full time

After some time they let you do hybrid

I think probably I will

Honestly the reason I'm so sketched about this job is it doesn't sound like they're doing a lot of new dev work

Do you think I should take something that is SQL and old .NET?

Or keep applying and hope

[autumn iris]

gtech omscs is a meme

its worthless if ur not employed

because it takes way too long to complete

[hollow flicker]

I have an interview lined up at another place but you never know

[bold pier]

That's why it's targeted specifically at the ones who are employed

[bold pier]

Poverty, feed my cat

[hollow flicker]

I graduated this month

I just have to decide tomorrow.

[gleaming trellis]

what happens when new grads can’t find a job within a year after they graduated?

[autumn iris]

depends

if ur international, u get deported

if ur not, u just go back home to parents

if ur parents dont want you, u gotta find some sort of employment

[bold pier]

My man woke up and chose to spit facts

[autumn iris]

but it just becomes significantly hard to get a job the more time u spend unemployed after college

[cold pawn]

create a company of 1 person (you) and put that on resume
work for yourself

[gleaming trellis]

what if I’m working on a side job that is somewhat relevant

[autumn iris]

isnt that still a job lol

how is that unemployment

[valid flame]

im in the same situation

[gleaming trellis]

like tutoring math to college students

[pine topaz]

yeah this is why i advocate for mroe layoffs and more wage supression yall wages are drivinginflation up

[valid flame]

i have a nice part time job tutoring CS but ofc actual swe jobs dont gaf because it's not "professional experience"

[valid flame]

my man

[hollow flicker]

Am I underestimating how cool SQL can be

[cold pawn]

usually the students themselves do that (upperclassmen)

[gleaming trellis]

if tutoring is not experience than being a CS TA isn’t experience too?

[hollow flicker]

Wdym bc market is bad

[autumn iris]

idk i feel like

CS TA just looks better

[hollow flicker]

I think it'll be incredibly uncool

[autumn iris]

because people know if ur a CS TA at a uni, then its real + commonly seen

but anyone can BS "tutoring"

[hollow flicker]

That's facts and really is my main hangup here

[cold pawn]

if a company still uses raw SQL and needs somebody to work only with SQL all the time, that's a sign that you should run away as quickly as possible
smells like legacy codebases and/or written by people who took bootcamps

[swift falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-shoot-me-gif-14188290

[autumn iris]

those are called data analysts

[obsidian crater]

Idk SoFi asks SQl

I've heard of SQL queries being asked on OAs and stuff

[cold pawn]

they do get asked, and you might have to use them from time to time but most modern places use ORMs instead of raw SQL

[hollow flicker]

They're saying writing stores procedures and shit

I really just don't have the knowledge here

They kinda just gave me a weird vibe in the interview lmfao but the market is ass and I'm somewhat geo locked

[cold pawn]

sounds like they use PHP or 10 year old Java codebase or something

[hollow flicker]

It's VB .net

[swift falcon]

[cold pawn]

bruh

VB

[swift falcon]

VB

[hollow flicker]

Mhm

[swift falcon]

Veneral Bisease

[hollow flicker]

Someone with industry experience tell me what to do

[swift falcon]

don’t

[cold pawn]

if they use Visual Basic and raw SQL
run

not to mention 65k salary

[hollow flicker]

bruh i feel like youre not the one to be giving advice, youre not done with college even

and yes lol

like

i have only this internship

and i have a delayed offer

and i graduated

so ig its not so cut and dry in my mind as "they use old shit run"

either way it makes me nervous

[swift falcon]

idk whats worse

[cold pawn]

I used VS basic in high school
rare disease

[swift falcon]

having no job

or having shit job

[hollow flicker]

i do have a safety net in willow tree but its not certain

[swift falcon]

thats what you have to ask urself

[hollow flicker]

pain

[cold pawn]

idk the best way to decide it is for you to do some sort of small quick VS.Net project and see if you are ok with working with things like that

[valid flame]

at least while having a shit job u can look for something else while making money

[hollow flicker]

this is undeniably harder and i have to move first

i live at my dads rn so im financially ok

hmmm

yeah like man fuck

[swift falcon]

oh true

[hollow flicker]

i wish it was like 1 caveat less

and id go for it easy

the salary is not even a thought in my mind tbh

[cold pawn]

what

[hollow flicker]

for the first bit

😦

[cold pawn]

@hollow flicker when did you graduate

[hollow flicker]

technically, this aug 15 was my grad date, but i havent taken classes since spring

[cold pawn]

so did you graduate or no im confused

[hollow flicker]

yes

aug 15 so like a week ago

im leaning this way

sql and vb.net scares me tbh

[swift falcon]

I vote you don’t take it

[hollow flicker]

not that id hate it but that its unmarketable

[cold pawn]

so you are a fresh grad
I thought you were unemployed for 1-2 years after graduating
you will have a lot of opportunities later since most ocmpanies don't start recruiting before Fall

[hollow flicker]

Hey guys

Is this a sign

This just went up in the WT NG slack

[swift falcon]

it’s a sign

[hollow flicker]

i think its a sign

[cold pawn]

I've been trying to find this Willow Tree company the only results are actual willow trees

[hollow flicker]

hmmmmm

haha

are you fr?

i find it right away

[hollow flicker]

https://www.willowtreeapps.com/

[cold pawn]

oh it has over 1k employees
looks not bad

[hollow flicker]

its like, right up my alley

anyone else wanna vote on if I should take iffy offer 9000
TheUltimateOne: votes no
Big Pierre: votes NO
bob174d: votes maybe no

do you vote yes @gentle peak

given all the caveats:
5 days onsite
VB .NET
SQL MOSTLY

[shut thistle]

no

[hollow flicker]

are you declining to vote or voting no

[past hound]

If you don't have another offer, don't decline your only offer.

[cold pawn]

I vote yes

or no

wait

yes

or

[hollow flicker]

well they voted i dont take it because I have delayed offer

did you see the sign

[past hound]

How delayed?

[hollow flicker]

jan @past hound

5 days onsite in the beginning
tons of SQL
VB .NET
Their training consists of making grant forms using their software

the guy literally said "youll be doing a lot of SQL, we all do a lot of SQL, so if thats not what you want to be doing i dont recommend you take it"

yeah i mean he was super straight up

im really just relaying what he told me

also the glass door is iffy and i dont even really care but ig thats one other thing

it seems like a lot of non-devs dont fuck with it

devs seem meh

indifferent

[cold pawn]

you can take the offer and then leave after a couple months if it's unbearable

[hollow flicker]

yeah ig so

could do month leases

im fairly confident I may get something else, I got 2 mid asf offers in 5 weeks

i didnt even send out an application until July 20th or something

in the chamber asf now like

did you see that thing i posted?

that they just sent in the slack

its just far enough id move cuz 5 days

month leases are a thing id just come back on the weekends to hang out with my girlfriend

kinda d e p r e s s i n g

but dont want her to quit her fun job

ill think on it, overall there are just a lot of caveats but i feel insecure not working atm

right right true

visual basic balls

i just dont get how theyre writing soooo much sql

it sounds slightly insane

they have a propriety grant software

no

wooooo yeah fuckin TOMORROW

these fuckin cucks bro

im gonna talk to my parents about it

i just dont understand why theyre having to do all this shit in SQL

like fixing database inconsistencies

i highly highly doubt thats possible

right now, im leaning towards not taking it and just sending it

lol

cuz my grad date was in august

so im about 1 week out of my grad date

[cold pawn]

why did you not ask them

why they use SQL

[hollow flicker]

im gonna email em lol

what should I ask him

its .net vb and sql sir

[cold pawn]

better to call
cuz your deadline is tomorrow

[hollow flicker]

he'll hit me back

idk feels sketch and ancient

not learning sql

VB

[cold pawn]

ask whether they use any ORMs and why do they use SQL so much instead of other options like ORM

[hollow flicker]

bet i will

lemme get you up to speed cuz i do want your opinion

i have a delayed offer thats way better
Id have to move cuz this one is 5 days onsite in the beginning and 45 mins away
the TC is 65k 💀

ok so go for it

i graduated this month

Willow Tree Apps 90k

it was delayed in July

like i signed

they delayed all NGs

cool thanks for the input fr

im just collecting input rn

you have more experience so youd know better if the VB + SQL is like a moronic thing to do

month to month lease or drive

[bold pier]

Take it, 45 mins is actually not too bad people do much more, it's a little inconvenience vs your future

[hollow flicker]

bruh its 45 at best

ILL MOVE

[rain patio]

45 minutes isn’t bad

[hollow flicker]

what the fuck

bro ive commuted heavy and i despise it traffic is SO bad here, im sure its bad where you are too tho

[rain patio]

I used public transportation and it was like 30-45 minutes per day depending on delays

[hollow flicker]

id rather get a studio

ill probably drive for the first bit maybe

[cold pawn]

nope
it's the other way around
most people either don't know SQL or know it poorly
using raw SQL introduces more possibility for making a mistake or get SQL injection
ORM is much simpler to learn and use and ORM methods are also usually far more readable and compact and can be equivalent to a long SQL query

ever worked with a codebase where they have a single SQL query that spans multiple dozen/hundred lines and you have no idea if it works or not or what it does? I have and the experience was not pleasant

[bold pier]

If you don't have any financial issues with renting do that, if you can drive.. do that. But take the job, its a minor inconvenience for sometime but it ensures you don't fuck up your career with a gap in resume

[hollow flicker]

id definitely sign a short ass month to month lease

and i know it really isnt about perfect anything, its just i dont want to wall myself into a shit area, so hearing that actually does help.

also to this point, if it actually is just a boring company role im kinda more than ok with it, im just so paranoid about spending my time on the wrong shit

[cold pawn]

@hollow flicker ask chatgpt what it thinks about the tech stack and the benefits vs tradeoffs
maybe it will say something helpful

[hollow flicker]

no yeah thats why im like most likely going to do it

cuz i can just suck it up and go harder

VB .NET and SQL here i come

[bold pier]

Join and tell them you wanna move everything to Python

[hollow flicker]

i wanna move everything to C#

[rain patio]

Anyone have link the the csmajors discord?

Pls

[hollow flicker]

so you really think it being fuckin VB isnt going to fuck me in the future

like given I dont get willow tree (worst case)

[rain patio]

Thanks

[hollow flicker]

if i get willow back its just all water under the bridge frankly

ok for sure i mean i agree, but recruiters are goofies

they just run MVC like it sounds like pretty normie .NET shit

can i dm

[cold pawn]

sure if you have a smart and experienced team that's good
but most places and people aren't like that, and people often leave and new come with different experience and strengths

it's true that raw SQL is faster than ORM, but that kind of performance difference only matters when you're doing some low latency stuff like trading, again for the majority of use cases ORM is more than enough

Different SQL databases use different SQL dialects so that means if you want to migrate to another database you would usually need to rewrite your SQL code, whereas ORMs are usually universal and you can migrate to different database without such problems

[hollow flicker]

DM'd but no rush

[hollow flicker]

im gonna ask gpt about it fr

[cold pawn]

if you want to become SQL god this is a good opportunity
but it probnably won't be pleasant

[hollow flicker]

the people seem nice

i just want some money

[bold pier]

what is this about?

[rain patio]

Internships

It’s like this discord

Same thing but previously affiliated with. R/csmajors

It has company discord servers

[hollow flicker]

ok i think im gonna take it and drive for the first few weeks

[swift falcon]

File type matters

Use a .doc or .docx when submitting your resume. Scanning software can sometimes combine or miss words in a PDF and will not scan an image properly.

Chat is this real?

[obsidian crater]

Workday?

I've almost always seen the opposite recommendation

[swift falcon]

same

the company uses workday, but it is not workday

[obsidian crater]

Yeah workday app

[swift falcon]

then yes

here's the thing though

is this suggestion just for uploading your resume into the application, or is there a separate screening step still happening?

[obsidian crater]

idk

[swift falcon]

I'm probably just reaching, this is a competitive company

[hollow flicker]

im gonna take the offer, the dev who interviewed me just sent me an email that got me convinced

[swift falcon]

what did they say?

[hollow flicker]

i asked why they dont use an ORM and he said this

Not 100% sure if that answers your question but if not let me know and I can try again ```

also starlust convinced me that this > unemployment

given i graduated last week

[swift falcon]

I can agree with that

[hollow flicker]

im gonna be wakin up early but its pog

just gonna keep shopping for jobs while i work there lol

wish i could search for jobs and LC while driving

[swift falcon]

honestly, I'd be ok with a commute as long as I'm never bitched at for being late

[pine topaz]

kids in NYC do leetcodde on the subway

same here in toronto

[hollow flicker]

believe me im fucking EXTREMELY

jealous

of public transpo

the fact that I have to personally drive myself everywhere has me seething

[pine topaz]

one day america will be great again

[hollow flicker]

but i want money and experience

[pine topaz]

we will have public transports

[hollow flicker]

so im takin it

you probably think i should accept this offer yeah @pine topaz ?

[pine topaz]

i would take and keep job searhcing

[rain patio]

never! we love our cars here

[hollow flicker]

thats the plan

[pine topaz]

how long is ur comute

[hollow flicker]

45

[pine topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-just-stop-please-stop-stop-it-meme-gif-26307878

[rain patio]

We will have 10 lane highways nationwide

[hollow flicker]

considering an airbnb for a month lol

[pine topaz]

45 back n forht

or 45 there

[hollow flicker]

45 there

45 back

[pine topaz]

[vital meteor]

@hollow flicker congratz!

[hollow flicker]

it goes remote eventually

or hybrid 3 days remote

[pine topaz]

yeah i rememebr u said hybird

[hollow flicker]

thanks lol

ill be doing VB.NET and SQL

here is the job description

@vital meteor what you think of this lolol

[swift falcon]

wouldn't this mean you're doing some front end?

like JS or some shit

[hollow flicker]

its just all over the place, not in the begining

cuz im on a specific team

but obv it opens up

but ill probably leave for Willow Tree before that 💀

[vital meteor]

even if its not the language you are interested in you will learn skills that will carry over and you can always keep applying

[pine topaz]

or just slack off till you get PIP

[hollow flicker]

i like .net too i just havent done VB

[pine topaz]

byt hat time ull find a job

💀

[hollow flicker]

hahaha

.net rocks tho

[swift falcon]

it seems a lot better than what you described

like you're not gonna write anything new in VB probably?

[hollow flicker]

i was going off my interviewers description

[swift falcon]

ah

[hollow flicker]

yeah its unclear, i think they write tools in it

but yeah they are clearly moving ppast it

[hollow flicker]

he just REALLY stressed the SQL like lmfao

im convinced its a move now

im probably gonna just be a try hard so they give me cool stuff

[vital meteor]

was the onsite questions sql based

[hollow flicker]

also COL is so low here 65k goes a long way

[hollow flicker]

The OA was SQL

Then just talking experience

Tbh the OA being SQL was anxiety provoking for me cuz it's unusual

[vital meteor]

is it chill and relax time

[hollow flicker]

Ig it is for me

[cloud zinc]

What is the balance between quality and quantity of projects? I need as much experience as possible. And of that experience, there needs to be solid metrics that satisfy the recruiters at vermont's tech jam

I have until october 21st to be worthy

Don't know if 5 simple crud projects or two multi-person extracurricular projects are the way to go

There is also my university career fair on september 27th

[ornate cliff]

Make one or two that don't look like tutorial stuff and you're chilling

[cloud zinc]

Is the criteria of worthy projects just "non-tutorial"?

I have an inkling that there should be more

[ornate cliff]

Minimum: follow YouTube
Nice: better than tutorial
Amazing: high quality and it's published/live

[rain patio]

Could I possibly get an IBM referral? Can share my resume and chat!

[heavy reef]

Might be the wrong place to ask.

[ornate cliff]

Sir this is a forum for the unemployed

[whole berry]

you gotta hunt #full_timers

[solemn spire]

Didnt do shit whole day. Hows everyones

[fallen fox]

[abstract solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/wheniwasolder-gif-20838458

[pine topaz]

if anyone needs motivation:

[jade seal]

therapy do be expensive af so you need a job for it anyways

[hollow flicker]

Therapy is such a waste of money if you don't find a solid therapist sorry to say

Maybe that's me being brainwashed by having a supportive partner tho

[pine topaz]

do you guys tell your therapist that you make more TC then them

and work 1 hour a day

[hollow flicker]

They make more tc than me atm 😭

[willow sedge]

i got an assessment from ibm

they say it should take 25 min??

[rain patio]

which role?

[willow sedge]

oh it’s a personality test lmfao

uhh backend

[heavy reef]

LMAO.

Damn.

Personality test.

[hollow flicker]

is it a new grad role

[willow sedge]

idk lmao

[hollow flicker]

lmfao fuck

[willow sedge]

i don’t remember 😆

[hollow flicker]

im lookin rn

i think i found it

[willow sedge]

if you steal my job 🙃

[hollow flicker]

i will not steal it

[rain patio]

my therapy is food and soft animals that don't mind being hugged

like my dog

[past hound]

I have a blahaj

[rain patio]

what's that lol

[past hound]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blåhaj

[burnt orchid]

Is it worth doing a contract job where they train u and then send u off wherever for X years

[past hound]

The shark is very cuddlable

[heavy reef]

I mean, hey, any experience is better than none.

[solemn spire]

Therapist

[vital meteor]

I have that too but its human shaped

[narrow harbor]

do yall put revelant coursework in your resume

i know it's kinda redundant cause degree but also heard for optimizing ats

[ornate cliff]

I don't

Not sure it's even necessary

[obsidian crater]

What do companies want?

I don't get it

I have 100% on Color OA but they're ghosting me and promoting their job posting on LinkedIn

[hollow flicker]

They want the perfect candidate for the role sir

And nothing less

If you don't live and breath their exact stack fuck you

[obsidian crater]

The funny thing is I do

I have intern exp with Django

[hollow flicker]

Ok well then they are evil

[obsidian crater]

🪢

[hollow flicker]

Or slow

[past hound]

Non-unicorns need not apply

[hollow flicker]

Has anyone heard back from color?

[obsidian crater]

Idk why they're promoting it though

[hollow flicker]

They just ghosted me before OA haha

[obsidian crater]

It costs money to promote a job on LinkedIn

There's over 2k applicants

How many even got OAs?

[hollow flicker]

Lol yeah promoting in this market seems unneeded bro

It doesn't make sense

[past hound]

peanuts to them

[hollow flicker]

I'm in the same boat as you thinking it's insane. Only tiny no names have a sane process

[obsidian crater]

Tbh Color kind of is a tiny no name

Their TC is FAANG tier but they are a no name

[hollow flicker]

Let's say mid size no name

Like willow tree

[obsidian crater]

never even heard of them

apparently Telus owns Willow tree

Telus is one of the 3 Canadian telecom oligopolies

[hollow flicker]

Yes lol

Exactly why I'm stoked to have my delayed offer there still

[obsidian crater]

offer delay = rescind

[hollow flicker]

And yeah Telus is why it got delayed

[hollow flicker]

Idk they just updated saying it looks promising.

So sugma

I'm not certain on it but that's definitely good news

[obsidian crater]

Telus just cut 6K jobs

I wouldn't keep your hopes up tbh

[burnt orchid]

Would u guys take a contract where the company that got you that contract takes 30% of what u earn

[hollow flicker]

Also they delayed ALL NGs not just me

[hollow flicker]

No shit lol those happened when the Willow layoffs happened

I'll lyk if it comes through tho

[obsidian crater]

[hollow flicker]

But literally today they said it's looking good to start bringing people on soon sooooooo

Sooooo

My hopes are officially rising

And I got a shitty offer for the meantime

[past hound]

shitty offer >>>> no offer

[burnt orchid]

Not sure, that depends on the company that will get me the contract and their client

[hollow flicker]

Yeah I'm taking it

[cold pawn]

same
but I didn't apply cuz heard that Color is above Palantir lvl in difficulty

and is a health company

[burnt orchid]

I think so
They said they would train me for 6 weeks, then after that id get a contract with 70-30 split for 6 months and then 80-20 for the remainder of the contract. I have to go wherever the contract sends me

^

[obsidian crater]

Their OA was not bad

But they seem to have ghosted almost everyone from here

[cold pawn]

Anyone Done Ramp NG OA? what is it like? LC style or CTF?

[obsidian crater]

It was CTF but I heard they send an LC one now

[cold pawn]

plz I need a definite answer cuz I want to apply just to practice free OA

[shut thistle]

its a OOPs question in codesignal now

4 level question

[hollow flicker]

Do you have to do the ctf for that ?

[narrow harbor]

Revature?

[shut thistle]

no

[hollow flicker]

Fuckin swag

[shut thistle]

but hold you horses

the codesignal is trash as well

[hollow flicker]

Hahaha

Just wanna practice tbh

[shut thistle]

it has 4 levels of questions

[burnt orchid]

nah, Digital iTechnology

[hollow flicker]

Reva gotta be the worst of those types of places

Like there are ok ones I've heard

[hollow flicker]

What do people who've used them say btw?

[burnt orchid]

couldnt find much tbh

[vast mica]

is Ramp OA auto ?

[vast mica]

Is Ramp OA auto? same question.

[shut thistle]

yes

[vast mica]

Thank you so much 🙂

Got something to pass time with

[obsidian crater]

Kinda getting tired of CS with the whole job search + leetcode burnout

Maybe I should just quit and switch careers lol

[cold pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-thor-avengers-funny-chris-hemsworth-gif-14558486

[obsidian crater]

If I have to interview again in my life I'm probably gonna go insane

[past hound]

Imagine getting interviews

couldn't be me

[obsidian crater]

Did SoFi OA today

I'm so tired man

There are so many rounds for everything lol, even if I go to the next round there's 2-3 more rounds

🪢

[vast mica]

they are hiring?

coz I dont see any opening tho

[obsidian crater]

maybe app closed

cause recruiter told me they're not hiring for one they posted in Salt Lake City

If I get a rejection email tomorrow I'm gonna be so mad lol

Doing well on OA then reject is worst pipeline

For me it's the whole leetcode shit

No matter how many you do there's no guarantee you can solve them on the spot under pressure

They create new problems

On top of that you're expected to solve them 100% with optimal time/space complexity

[vast mica]

Thanks bro for helping me out earlier. Can I DM once? Wanna discuss if I should even continue to search job or not. I feel like I cant stop and feel its kinda messed up thing

Thanks bro

[obsidian crater]

just waiting for that sofi reject

[hollow flicker]

wtf sofi opening did you even apply to

it all looks senior

[obsidian crater]

one in montana

with referral a few days ago

[hollow flicker]

nah this is the part that makes me mad asf

like me just barely solving a hard asf problem isnt enough, I have to be such a turbo genius that i can do it OPTIMAL

like what is the point?

also this shit just sucks too, why cant they do just 1 huge interview if you want it fr fr

jk

but fr i dont think i will be able to solve LC hards with any consistency unless i keep at it for literally years on end and dont take breaks.

[cold pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/john-travolta-avengers-confused-im-lost-john-gif-15325846

[hollow flicker]

thats fockin fire

[rain patio]

I hate 1 big on-site, they drag it on for 4-5 hrs

[past hound]

They want to wear you down so you slip up

They can act all nice and friendly, but deep down, all interviews are interrogations.

[halcyon topaz]

API oas > leetcode

[obsidian crater]

True

[halcyon topaz]

So much easier to tell if someone is a good programmer by giving them a real life situation instead of just an algo a question

[swift falcon]

I made a cheesecake

hopefully will help with depression

[halcyon topaz]

Unfortunately technicals are leetcode

[past hound]

I don't mind leetcode if they are eases and easy-mediums.

When you start getting to the hards........then we have problems

It should really be about: Can you do basic programming and can you explain your solution to someon else

Not....can solve this LC hard that almost nobody could solve if they haven't seen it before

[obsidian crater]

LC hards are uncommon unless Quant

[past hound]

mathworks 100% gave me a LC hard difficulty problem

couldn't even brute force it

because I couldn't even understand what they hell they wanted me to do

[obsidian crater]

lame

[hollow flicker]

yeah this bro, walmart literally IS giving hards afaik

yeah lol my OA for them was insane

i love how hards literally would take me a week to figure out on my own

and companies are like, seems good for a NG role

[cold pawn]

I love LC hards
especially when they are not given

[pulsar cloud]

I took a cp class and the prof said he sits down for 2-3 days trying to figure out how to solve harder problems

you aren't meant to come up with a soln to those problems in 1 hour

[cold pawn]

not every professor is meant for 150k+ TC salary

[hollow flicker]

ok then why do they give them as if we can pull the solution from our brain

who is making these hiring decisions

im just confused\

[pulsar cloud]

like the top top cp guys are the only 1s capable

[hollow flicker]

so ig companies like walmart want top top CP guys

[pulsar cloud]

it is legit just checking if uve seen the q before

[hollow flicker]

who will leave in an instant

[cold pawn]

these leetcode contest leaders who solve LC hards in under 10 min lol

[hollow flicker]

but whyyyyyyyyywywywyayfaefjslfj

[cold pawn]

you just haven't done enough LC or have weak basics
I remember being unable to solve a single hard problem but after taking a 6 months break came back and could solve multiple LC hard problems albeit in 60 minutes or longer

I'm sure anyone would find LC hards easy after doing 500-700 problems

[pulsar cloud]

some of them sure

but there are some really hard problems out there

I just think if you see a completely foreign hard problem, there's no reasonble way you're coming up with a solution in 1 hour

unless you are a codeforces gm

and on top of coming up with a means of solving the problem, now you need to get past bullshit testcases and figure out unintutive ways to optimize your soln

[autumn iris]

pretty sure barely anyone gives LC hards to NGs

its very rare

[hollow flicker]

walmart

does

[cold pawn]

my local pizza shop asked Burst Balloons

[hollow flicker]

walmart

[pulsar cloud]

It's hard to tell rn there's only been quant and some autos

but the sentry OA was definitely hard imo

[past hound]

I will mathworks was the exception, the rest of the OAs I have done are eases or mediums.

[pulsar cloud]

like no NG can solve that in 1 hour. it was fucking ridiculous.

[hollow flicker]

sent didnt even give me an OA

[autumn iris]

quants give hards, but we all know unless ur going to a top school already, we prob arent seeing those guys

[hollow flicker]

SAME HERE walmart was the exception

[autumn iris]

[hollow flicker]

wal fucking mart

[autumn iris]

my friends who worked at walmart only got easies/mediums

idk unlucky then

[hollow flicker]

maybe it was a med hard for me

but it felt like a hard

it sure felt rock solid hard as a rock

[cold pawn]

imagine a supermarket asking you LC hards 💀
next we would have Domino's asking LC hards for SWEs

[hollow flicker]

bro lets see if dominos is hirng

tbh what about lil caesars

[cold pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-pizza-gif-18983003

[solemn spire]

AOT goated

[cold pawn]

Fun fact, after this scene hundreds of people started throwing pizzas at that house root and on the street

[arctic orchid]

I got DP hard for my live coding interview

[cold pawn]

company

[arctic orchid]

Walmart

[cold pawn]

when

[arctic orchid]

February

This year

[cold pawn]

damn

walmart savage

their salaries are also mid

for intern

[arctic orchid]

They had some audacity

The interviewer didn’t even know how to solve it

HR just handed him a question

[cold pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-goodman-gif-24305672

[hollow flicker]

nah im seething

WHAT THE FUCK IS THE POINT

THEY DONT EVEN KNOW???

LIKE BRO

how does that help the interviewer

they cant even hint or know where youre at in solution

[arctic orchid]

I was his first interview of the day

[hollow flicker]

nah bruh they cant just make LC harder and harder at fucking walmart

its fucking walmart

[autumn iris]

[arctic orchid]

And he started guiding me by trying to use two pointer to solve the problem

It was so fuckign Joever

[hollow flicker]

bro he shoulda passed you he didnt even know

[arctic orchid]

I will say TC was 120K in Bentonville Arkansas

[hollow flicker]

what a fuckin cuck

[hollow flicker]

nah that does go crazy fr

[arctic orchid]

Bentonville is like the Malibu of Arkansas

But yes essentially like a king

[rain patio]

Walmart is really good tho

[arctic orchid]

Walmart is headquartered out of there

[hollow flicker]

is it thoooooo

[arctic orchid]

Tbh it’s really picking up

[rain patio]

Like Walmart Global Tech is hella respectable imo

it’s not like Papa John’s

[arctic orchid]

This sounds like doctors with out borders but SWE

[hollow flicker]

is papa johns open

[arctic orchid]

Love the idea tho

[arctic orchid]

Their tech stack is pretty modern too

HOLY FUCK

boys

New start up

[hollow flicker]

my dream is to break into walmart

[arctic orchid]

Load the jet!

[arctic orchid]

I never thought those words would come out of my mouth

[meager mica]

When do y’all put languages in the skills section of resumes?

[hollow flicker]

its real tho

[meager mica]

Once you make a project with it or once you hella good with it

[rain patio]

I only put things im good at

[arctic orchid]

But yes the dream is Walmart now

These days

[meager mica]

I’m secured if they ask me a complex question about it lol

screwed

[hollow flicker]

nah fr tho that salary in bentonville is insane

[cold pawn]

if the interview asks you deep questions about a language that you just put because you looked at cheat sheet it's joever

[hollow flicker]

yeah fr joever

[meager mica]

Oof

[hollow flicker]

ive never gotten grilled on it but even langs im familiar with i could prolly take an L on

[meager mica]

time to take some languages out

[hollow flicker]

only shit i use every day is super familiar

[swift falcon]

english

[meager mica]

^

And sign language

I got cpp JavaScript and python

[hollow flicker]

i literally just have kotlin, and C#

[meager mica]

I might just put cpp on there 🥶

[swift falcon]

I put Java C# and Python

[hollow flicker]

if anyone grilled me on python id puke

[swift falcon]

I'm good with Java, C# is basically Java and I feel confident enough in all the python I've used that I could hack shit together if grilled on it

[meager mica]

I only started programming 1 and half year ago so they better go easy

[cold pawn]

I put SQL, CSS, HTML, and Scratch

[meager mica]

I also realized I’m in the wrong channel in I’m 2025 grad

[hollow flicker]

C# not really "basically" java im really not gonna lie

[swift falcon]

ur lying

[rain patio]

Bro 💀💀💀

[swift falcon]

it's literally java

[hollow flicker]

no im not dude

it literally is not

[meager mica]

That’s what I’m saying dawg

[hollow flicker]

there are so many features in it from .NET that interviewers expect you to know

[swift falcon]

like what

[hollow flicker]

linq

[meager mica]

My college just did all lower div in cpp

[cold pawn]

they're very different
only their syntax is kinda simlar but could say the same about C and C++

[meager mica]

So that’s all I know but not at great level lol

[swift falcon]

they're both OOP and have basic same shit

[hollow flicker]

linq and also the namespace structure and project structure is totally different

go do a project in .NET and lemme know if you still think that

[meager mica]

yeah

[swift falcon]

gimme a month at a job and I could be as proficient in C# as I am in java

[swift falcon]

nty I don't want to

[meager mica]

I’ve made plenty project in cpp but are they advance heck no

[hollow flicker]

but thats not what we are talking about we are saying how you can perform in interview

can you actually write a c# program without looking anything up?

or even referentially know what linq is?

[meager mica]

This question made me sweat

[swift falcon]

it's how you talk to databases right?

[meager mica]

I’ll load it to GitHub and you clone it

[swift falcon]

java has some shit like that too

[hollow flicker]

its a QL for the entire .NET architecture

it works everywhere basically

[cold pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-goodman-gif-24305672

[swift falcon]

[hollow flicker]

query data structs, databases, EF stuff

id just really do a project in C# if you have it on your resume bruh

[swift falcon]

nah

[meager mica]

Hahaa

[hollow flicker]

lmfao L mindset

[meager mica]

leave it on and risk it brotha

[swift falcon]

bruh

[meager mica]

Growth comes from fear

[swift falcon]

I applied to a .net job and they asked me basic OOP shit

nothing specifically c#

i got rejected anyways, probably because I didn't have specific .net/cloud/midlevel swe experience but that's outside the interview

[meager mica]

I can cleaner hella good

I hand wash my dishes till they squeak

[swift falcon]

but like, they could tell that from my resume

[meager mica]

janitor I could do for sure

[swift falcon]

tbh C# != .net

[meager mica]

isn’t .net a framework ?

Or am I trippen

Wrong words

[hollow flicker]

yes but it literally goes hand in hand with C#

[meager mica]

Is .net like node js

[swift falcon]

it's like saying Java = spring boot

[hollow flicker]

no it isnt lol

[swift falcon]

yeah

it is

[hollow flicker]

ok man

[meager mica]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-blob-gif-23105869

[hollow flicker]

.net has tons of shit that does not line up with spring boot

i have literally done work in these frameworks and languages like

[cold pawn]

you can't run C# without .net framework
can't say the same about Spring Boot

[hollow flicker]

they go hand in hand

[hollow flicker]

LITERALLY BRO

its not an apt comparison AT ALL

[swift falcon]

they're functionally the same

at the core

[hollow flicker]

ok buddy tell that to the next .net interviewer you have

say "isnt .net just like springboot?"

youll get the job FOR SURE

[swift falcon]

I'll be sure to mention Linq and all that shit

[cold pawn]

.NET is more like both JVM and Spring Boot combined or something

[meager mica]

y’all working currently or applying for jobs

[hollow flicker]

yes bro

[hollow flicker]

both soon

[meager mica]

Ayeee congrats dawg

[hollow flicker]

.NET is INTEGRAL to C# even functioning

[hollow flicker]

thanks is it still congrats if you know its 65k

[swift falcon]

yeah well, you don't have be an expert on the JVM to know Java

[meager mica]

In this market yes

65k better than homeless

[hollow flicker]

it has tons of structures and libraries that C# uses

[meager mica]

Great stepping stone at least

[hollow flicker]

like tons

tons of data types youll see everywhere in C# that arent C#

[swift falcon]

nah they're separate things

[hollow flicker]

yes bro its an API framework, a web framework, an SPA framework

its everything

LINQ is .net too

there is also .NET Core

which is different yet again

[meager mica]

So what’s asp.net

[hollow flicker]

ASP.NET and ASP.NET Core are frameworks for APIs and web apps

[meager mica]

gotcha

Joined 5 mins ago and already learning

Boom thank ya

[swift falcon]

idk bro these look like they got a lot of overlap

[meager mica]

Damn

Will make sure to get familiar with it

[swift falcon]

if you're fluent in java it aint hard to work in C#, that's all I'm saying

[meager mica]

Fluent is a powerful word

Well damn

I been just making web apps for my resume using react

[rain patio]

wut 😂

[meager mica]

I’m not picky

All I care about is experience

Don’t matter where for me

[rain patio]

What good job is looking for a Java aficionado 💀

[swift falcon]

and I've literally used both, obviously I "specialized" in Java, but I've done an EA class which used C# and it's not like python or javascript where everything is done ass backwards

[rain patio]

ok that’s fair 💀

[grizzled bronze]

Banks

[rain patio]

Outside of basic OOP they are not pressing u on Java

[hollow flicker]

literally every company

[meager mica]

I’ll make sure to take a Java course offered at my school

That’s actually not a bad idea. Never hurts to know I guess

[cold pawn]

I highly doubt to his claim that he can easily learn C# in one month
maybe a little bit of syntax perhaps but not the fundamentals

[swift falcon]

[cold pawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXzTXD_OJo0

[swift falcon]

many a true word is spoken in jest

[bold pier]

Did someone say Java?

Let me tell you about our Lord and Savior Object Oriented Programming

[willow sedge]

ibm personality test was hella difficult

[vapid oasis]

Wait

What did they ask you

I don’t rlly get it…wouldn’t it just be behavioral question

[burnt orchid]

Do u get to choose the language for Roblox's OA

[valid flame]

this is hella fuckin true

i constantly get the two mixed up

one is ArrayList the other is List

one is Console.WriteLine the other is System.out.println

etc

[signal jewel]

i had java but was rejected after final because i didnt had c# . that was shit

[willow sedge]

it was a slider one but you couldn’t stay in the middle and i disliked both of them at times

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[tender edge]

anyone up for peer mock interviews - ( dsa , cp, system design, machine coding ) -DM
mainly looking for system design

[tardy geode]

no new jobs posted on linkedin since past 1-1.5 days , did anyone else notice this too?

[past hound]

[solemn spire]

DCU bank rejected me cause I got no C#, but I had java

[cloud zinc]

Jesus christ my masters program is a combination of software engineering and data science.

They claim that we need both to get into industry.

This sucks

[past hound]

"Looking for software enginner who has embedded, devopssec, cloud, full-stack, QA, UI/UX, machine learning, and computer vision experience".

[cloud zinc]

I just want a developer job, why the fuck do I need to model data

[past hound]

A lot of positions basically list the experience an entire team would have

[lost ether]

Uni name? 👀

[cloud zinc]

Rochester Institute of Technology

Mid tier renouned uni

[vapid oasis]

Ahhh gotchu

[solemn spire]

Wake up -> Gym -> shower -> Side project -> Anime -> Sleep

I need to get my shit together

[marble ivy]

atleast u goto gym

[cold pawn]

and this is for entry level
and nowadays entry level requires 1-3 years of experience btw

[past hound]

Also, internships don't count.

[burnt orchid]

i love our job market

[past hound]

I funny thing is I have literally seen that before

[cold pawn]

seen what

[past hound]

Internships don't count

for experience at a entry level position

[cold pawn]

I saw that 5-10 times already

[past hound]

"Funny because it is true"

[cold pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/where-looking-gif-7613065

[hollow flicker]

Internships definitely count to some degree but oh well

[rain patio]

Most places don’t count internships

[cloud zinc]

How the fuck are you suppose to get an entry level role then?

[marble ivy]

Referral