2023_grads

[hollow flicker]

its noyt

i wont believe this

ill believe it

[rain patio]

300k cash

600k paper money

Netflix >

[hollow flicker]

netflix goated

im gonna be there if they doin ok

trust

i went to shit school, I GOT THIS

[rain patio]

Netflix will hire a grand total of 3 new grads

[rain patio]

1 of them will be Manish

The other 2 will be 6x FAANG’s

[hollow flicker]

8 years remember

[rain patio]

8 years?

[hollow flicker]

yeah after i get experience

cuz i suck

[rain patio]

This mf

[hollow flicker]

WHAT

RELAX

[rain patio]

Open AI is not gonna 100x ur smoking

[hollow flicker]

what does 100x mean

oh

idk i believe you seems reputable

[cold pawn]

openai will be killed by Google's bard

[rain patio]

no chance

I will chop off my balls if they hit a trillion

[hollow flicker]

ill be there doing the same

you guys think gpt gonna take all the dev jobs 🤓

fight over it

i mean thats facts

gpt 4 couldnt finish a hackerrank

that shih too verbose for it

[cold pawn]

which means that employers are crazy if they want new grads to solve problems that even a machine made by a multi billion dollar company can't solve

[hollow flicker]

mmmtrue

easy, simple, just get rich

[cold pawn]

just travel to south america and find gold
you're rich now

[hollow flicker]

do it

[obsidian crater]

wtf

isn't this illegal

[hollow flicker]

what q2?

[pine topaz]

not expired

[hollow flicker]

do you identify

just say no it dont matter if real

just dont identify

click this

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/the-divergent-series-divergent-tori-maggie-q-gif-5603983

i remember those movies

shame that they didn't finish the series cuz the lead actress got arrested or something

[hollow flicker]

for what

[halcyon topaz]

for not leetcoding on a plane

[rain patio]

protesting at the site of a future oil pipeline? I forget lol

[hollow flicker]

oh thats lame

[rain patio]

oh she didn't get jail time, but they did detain her

[hollow flicker]

even lamer

[rain patio]

I remember this was during the 2016 election season lol

[rain patio]

i don't think she did anything bad tho. She was just with a bunch of people standing and holding signs

[hollow flicker]

she shoulda done something cooler and really went to prison imo

[rain patio]

LOL

[halcyon topaz]

im hyped

me tonight

[vital meteor]

Have fun bro I'm going later this year

Did you book a ryokan

[halcyon topaz]

ya

in fujikawaguchigo

[vital meteor]

[halcyon topaz]

need a response past an OA from a company when i get back

or ropemax

[vital meteor]

Japan hotsprings

[halcyon topaz]

japan food

i think im going to a hotspring later

[vital meteor]

[hollow flicker]

fr

[hoary tendon]

Is anyone getting response from recruiters on LinkedIn?

[pine topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[willow sedge]

i just had one tell me that they aren’t hiring us citizens lmao

[burnt orchid]

what the

[past hound]

They probably want to import h1bs that they can treat like slaves

[obsidian crater]

maybe

that is illegal

report them

[past hound]

I mean, it is the same song and dance a lot of companies use.

[willow sedge]

nah then more people will be hunting for jobs

[past hound]

They know they got you by the balls if you are on a h1b visa.

[cold pawn]

techlead showed what it looks like in one of his videos (10 types of programmers)

[obsidian crater]

sigh.

fuck this economy.

[tacit grove]

No. Literally 0.

[obsidian crater]

It's probably not a real job

I've gotten contacted by these people before

[willow sedge]

yeah lmao

[obsidian crater]

What they do is they make you pay money so that they make a resume with fake experience and pimp you out to potential employers

[willow sedge]

at least i know why i got rejected this time 😭

[obsidian crater]

for real

[lost ether]

Did paypal recent grad close?

[obsidian crater]

Bro these OPT recruiters

They keep emailing me everyday

[halcyon topaz]

how do you find new grad recruiters for a company

[obsidian crater]

OSINT

[willow sedge]

i just scroll thru linkedin till i find someone

[past hound]

Did anyone even get a confirmation email for paypal? I applied super quick when it first dropped.

[cold pawn]

do they give out referrals just like that?

[past hound]

not got one

[willow sedge]

not yet lol

[cold pawn]

crud is the best

[rain patio]

No

[obsidian crater]

Crud is peak SWE

[past hound]

Ah, so they just have a bad system.

[obsidian crater]

All these Ai scientists think they're making new stuff when Roy Fielding solved all of SWE with his thesis

[bold pier]

roflmao

[past hound]

A job is a job in this economy.

Unemployment is the worst job out there

[willow sedge]

i got a referral for paypal so i’m hoping i can get an interview

[bold pier]

just get employed ffs
Not all of us gonna get into SpaceX fr

[rain patio]

They will ghost till the end of time lol idt I ever heard back from their internships in my local area

[cold pawn]

how do you get referrals?

[past hound]

F

[willow sedge]

my friend works there

[bold pier]

How the tables have turned

[cold pawn]

flipping burgers is also a job

[bold pier]

flip the burger in 0(n) time and constant space

what if the burger is null

or distributed

what if you only had 1 hand

[obsidian crater]

Doesn't matter

If you can't flip a burger in O(1) time and space

It's over

[past hound]

Just because I prefer other things doesn't mean I don't have the skills to do it.

[obsidian crater]

I like math

[past hound]

If someone wants to pay me for CRUD, I will do CRUD.

[obsidian crater]

I will beg parents for monies so I can become quant

[bold pier]

can you please CRUD me

[obsidian crater]

US citizens can delete you

[cold pawn]

in this market you can only apply to a job only if have 100 diseases and no arms, no legs

[obsidian crater]

Just go to a cop and act wild

[bold pier]

I can make that happen in the metaverse, will that work

[hollow flicker]

AAA

[rain patio]

Contract employee?

[cold pawn]

sounds familiar

[rain patio]

Not valid

[obsidian crater]

https://tenor.com/view/unemployment-unemployed-laid-off-layoffs-layoff-gif-17329141

[past hound]

All my projects on my resume are web apps

[obsidian crater]

tbh

how many new grads actually know how to use Kafka and Snowflake?

[past hound]

React, JS, etc.

[rain patio]

Literally no one except the geeky kind

[hollow flicker]

This

[obsidian crater]

I'm giving tbh

Going the academia route if I can lol

I guess rope is always an option

[rain patio]

Did u do masters already?

[obsidian crater]

no

[rain patio]

Join me at Stanford

We eat the debt

[obsidian crater]

No way I get in

[rain patio]

CMU masters?

[obsidian crater]

can I get in?

Idk if I have the money

It's like 200k

[rain patio]

CMU masters isn’t as hard as bachelors iirc

Yea hella debt

but worth

[obsidian crater]

I'd do MSCF at CMU probably

[rain patio]

I am contemplating grad school too

[obsidian crater]

Yeah same I also want to get out of the US if possible

[rain patio]

I wanted to do research before all this, I think that’s my plan B

[past hound]

Not like anyone else is getting bites anyway.

[hollow flicker]

Me too

[rain patio]

Wot

[hollow flicker]

I'll just go back to school until wt hires me then stop

[rain patio]

I promise u

If react js node is not on ur resume

I would throw it out

[hollow flicker]

No shit so would everyone

[rain patio]

This mf talking about Java

[hollow flicker]

I apply to those roles and get thrown out

[obsidian crater]

ngmi ngmi ngmi ngmi ngmi

[rain patio]

Java is like intro cs courses

[hollow flicker]

I have android shit and I get those

[obsidian crater]

Nah mane Java is like the enterprise language

[hollow flicker]

Dude people want specific shit on your resume

[obsidian crater]

AWS is built with Java

[rain patio]

Bro everyone has Java on their resume

[obsidian crater]

Fookin Nasdaq runs on Java

[rain patio]

there’s just no way u don’t

[hollow flicker]

Yeah like what

[cold pawn]

bro you don't know Java you say that
intro CS Java is like not even the tip of the iceberg that Java is

[past hound]

Scala > Java

[hollow flicker]

Kotlin > java

[obsidian crater]

Honestly I hate the Java ecosystem

The language is fine

But spring boot is

Or spring

[rain patio]

Java is not that intricate

[obsidian crater]

JDBC

🪢

[cold pawn]

spring boot is love

what

[rain patio]

99.9% of the applicant pool has Java under their belt

[hollow flicker]

Fuck java dude learn C# ecosystem

[rain patio]

50% has worked at AWS

[cold pawn]

java is trash
lombok is love lovembok is life

[obsidian crater]

lombok

[cold pawn]

lombok makes java look half decent

but scala better

[hollow flicker]

You're smoking if you think you're gonna apply to front end web based roles that ask for react etc, without react, and not get thrown out

[rain patio]

The most they ask u is OOP class design and inheritance/polymorphism concepts

[obsidian crater]

Java is better than Scala

Scala is confusing af and way less jobs

[cold pawn]

react is in the past
now it's svelte vue solidjs qwik

[obsidian crater]

Even big Scala users ditched it

AWS is just a linux wrapper

[hollow flicker]

Whatever the fuck. I don't have any of it and I do not apply to those

[obsidian crater]

Or script wrapper tbh

[hollow flicker]

And when I have it's instant reject no matter how small the company

Android roles I get interviews for

[cold pawn]

it's not
Scala is like if Java, Python, and Haskell had a child

[obsidian crater]

BAYSED

[rain patio]

Vue is ass idk why ppl use it

[obsidian crater]

DID SOMEONE SAY BAYSED

[hollow flicker]

Vue is terrible

[obsidian crater]

https://tenor.com/view/my-descent-into-madness-is-complete-madness-going-insane-insanity-mental-gif-22579930

I'VE BEEN UNEMPLOYED FOR SO LONG

I'M LOSING IT

[cold pawn]

you would probably find any functional programming language confusing
Scala is actually nice and allows you to be flexible

[past hound]

[obsidian crater]

Scala is alright

I had 2 classes in it

[hollow flicker]

Faith in what way longevity?

[cold pawn]

are you Roy Fielding

[obsidian crater]

Scala jobs are so rare though compared to Java

[cold pawn]

exposed

[obsidian crater]

exposed

[hollow flicker]

Kotlin better than java or Scala

[past hound]

Need job, need job soon

[obsidian crater]

I have no hobbies

I wake up and be depressed

No hope

Only darkness

[hollow flicker]

Lol cap

[rain patio]

Build ur own components

[swift falcon]

damn fr?

[hollow flicker]

This guy is smoking

[rain patio]

react + tailwind is all u need

[swift falcon]

only code in java

javafx

[cold pawn]

there's plenty of scala jobs out there
but comparing with Java isn't fair popularity =/= language or technology being good

React and Javascript and PHP and Ruby are popular but they're all trash

[hollow flicker]

Now this is true

Wasm is dope I made a wasm site at my internship with C#

[obsidian crater]

One man's trash is another man's paycheck

[loud sluice]

react and javascript 😈

[cold pawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo3cL4nrGOk&t=196s

[rain patio]

Angular is gross

[hollow flicker]

Yeah I ain't crippin

[loud sluice]

react > any other framework

[hollow flicker]

I wish there was something like Jetpack Compose but for the web and people actually used it

[swift falcon]

I wish I could get a job with my javafx skills

[cold pawn]

you can create frontend using scalajs which allows you to write scala code and it compiles to javascript

[hollow flicker]

Is there a web framework for kotlin yet

[cold pawn]

cause it worse than typescript
which is worse than a programming with a good static typing

[hollow flicker]

Just write plain js bro easy simple

[swift falcon]

oh damn is that why it's called typescript

[hollow flicker]

Im not doing this non static typing shit I'm sorry

Ts sucks balls

[swift falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/whoah-woah-gif-20545190

just realizing this now

[cold pawn]

javascript is a disease

[swift falcon]

wait is TS not static typed?

[hollow flicker]

It's shit

Yeah

[swift falcon]

ah

[hollow flicker]

And it has tons of bizarre quirks

[swift falcon]

but it is meant to be statically typed

[hollow flicker]

Kinda

[swift falcon]

when u read it

bruh honestly if it's not java i don't want it

[cold pawn]

code is analyzed for errors at compile time, before you run it

[hollow flicker]

Isn't it more like python types than statically typed

Idk this shit I only write actual statically typed languages

[cold pawn]

I'm not talking about typescript

[crystal steppe]

is it worse to be ghosted than rejected lol?

[swift falcon]

yes

[past hound]

yes

[obsidian crater]

no

[bold pier]

depends after which round

after applying no, after 9 rounds yes

[swift falcon]

nah fam any type of ghosting is disrespectful

like I literally take offense

can't shoot off a damn auto email in a timely manner says a lot

[past hound]

^

[bold pier]

brave of you to assume I have any self respect left

[hollow flicker]

I don't mind ghosting at all if I'm not rounds in

It's the same to me

[burnt orchid]

if im doing an OA and get ghosted, thats disrespectful

if I just throw my resume and get ghosted, it is what it is

[hollow flicker]

Nah if it's an auto OA ghost away

[cold pawn]

last year I was selected for an OA, did it, no response
reached out to the person who posted the OA
no response

[bold pier]

but my views are probably different than your because this is the only hiring season I've actively participated in and ghosting is like so normalized rn

[obsidian crater]

🪢

[hollow flicker]

I participated last year and ghosting was the reg then too

I just am numb

[swift falcon]

bruh I have literally gotten ghosted, after I have been reassured that I wasn't going to be ghosted

like I was specifically told, you'll find out wednesday in TWO cases

[bold pier]

wish I was born during ww2 and died on normandy instead

[obsidian crater]

wish I was born rich

[hollow flicker]

Nah that's crazy I've never had that

[obsidian crater]

then I'd be Sr. Partner at a hedge fund

[hollow flicker]

What's crazier is they never replied to your follow up @swift falcon

Now that's ass

[static quarry]

@bold pier how did ur interviews go

[bold pier]

hi gib job

[bold pier]

they're next week

[obsidian crater]

how are you sane

[static quarry]

glgl

[obsidian crater]

or are you sane

[bold pier]

pray for me if you want referrals

[static quarry]

i have final round (i think it is) next round as well

[obsidian crater]

[static quarry]

praying for us all

[obsidian crater]

remember me will O(n)

[hollow flicker]

My final is tomorrow

Kill me

[static quarry]

And @rain patio

[hollow flicker]

God help us all

[static quarry]

pray for us all

[static quarry]

U got this

[hollow flicker]

You too 100

[static quarry]

just remember right before it starts

and ur nervous

use that energy

to perform

🙏🙏🙏

[hollow flicker]

I smash interviews generally I'm just being dramatic

[static quarry]

LOLOL

[hollow flicker]

It's a no name also

[static quarry]

BAHAHAHHA

STILL

[bold pier]

Just remember how @pulsar mural has a RO but you're jobless and use that energy

[static quarry]

U GOT THIS

[hollow flicker]

So like what are they gonna do ask me alien dictionary?

Thanks!! Regardless

I'll be more paranoid about someone else taking my spot than bombing. I have like 0 anxiety ever in them shits

[obsidian crater]

@pulsar mural

[vital meteor]

[hollow flicker]

If I really don't know something I'm just like "idk brother you want me to try?" To the interviewer and it works aight

Just being chilled asf helps you win them shits I swear

[rain patio]

Wut this is out of ur control

[bold pier]

yeah, and always remember to use hashmaps

[hollow flicker]

How

[obsidian crater]

I'm actually gonna go insane

[rain patio]

Yes being honest 99.9% of the time is the play

[obsidian crater]

Develop psychosis from this unemployment

[rain patio]

U should always assume there is someone better than u out there

[hollow flicker]

Yeah just being measured and having a good time with your interviewers is insanely key tho

[rain patio]

And not have unreasonable hopes

[hollow flicker]

Oh there for sure is but maybe not on this company

[bold pier]

have to entertained the possibility that you have done so already

[obsidian crater]

no

[hollow flicker]

I would hope they have better places to go 💀💀

Than the local mom and pop software store

[rain patio]

Ur good bro I’m like a part time schizo cause I’ve been dreading this entire market for the last year lol

[obsidian crater]

I'm not good

Not schizo yet

[hollow flicker]

What do you guys think this TC might be if I get it? I'm thinking 75k at BEST

I'll take it tho

[fallen fox]

any ropers

[hollow flicker]

I'm so bored

[bold pier]

this is a literal psych ward

[obsidian crater]

ropers

[hollow flicker]

Nah fr tho I'm gonna rope if I have to copy my resume into workday again

That's gonna be the decider

[bold pier]

bruh use Simplify

@signal trellis please convert this man

[hollow flicker]

Simplify fixes that.....

......

.........

Mmmmm I'll go rope now

[rain patio]

Wait until Simplify+ drops

[fallen fox]

simplify + textexpander = gg

[rain patio]

entire game is changed

[hollow flicker]

NO ONE mentioned that the last time someone bitched about workday

[bold pier]

I will take a life if someone talks shit about Simplify (3yoe, can start immediately)

[obsidian crater]

PAIN

[rain patio]

I don’t mind workday

[hollow flicker]

Why do you need to copy resume on work day tho

It's just odd

[rain patio]

I fill it out with my resume but I’ve gotten hella fast at it 💀

[swift falcon]

it like duplicated some autofill stuff like 8 times in a row last time I used it, was super weird (probably user error on my part)

[hollow flicker]

Does simplify track your apps cuz I don't want to know

[bold pier]

yes skill issue, you need to do better (Can work on weekends also)

[hollow flicker]

What or how many I've applied to

I might rope

[rain patio]

They have an app tracker

But I use Google sheets 🤓

[willow sedge]

same but my google sheet ain’t getting me a job any faster 😭 it’s all just red

[hollow flicker]

Why do you track do you like mental anguish

I just have a place I wrote OA due dates

[bold pier]

I track applications through my blood pressure, more applications higher the bp

[swift falcon]

bruh same

all my rejections

[rain patio]

Hella red bro

[neon perch]

Does EY sponsor?

[burnt orchid]

i started keeping a spreadsheet for all my apps

the Rejections are growing

[neon perch]

I tracked like the first 100 then stopped

Just bulk applying ever since

It’s been 728182 years

[swift falcon]

hey at least it's friday tomorrow

still 1 day left of the week to get a response

maybe I will be able to enjoy my weekend

[crystal steppe]

Which company

[hollow flicker]

local pizza store

hi

[tacit grove]

this is too funny

[burnt orchid]

anyone got experience with Actalent

had a phone call with them today

[past hound]

Contract work

[hollow flicker]

is it shite

[past hound]

From what I have heard, it is only good if you have no other option (like WITCH).

[whole berry]

experience dealing with them? yes

can get contracts

decent

hard to land a job thru them even

the recruiters put their commission first

so hammer them with emails and calls

and dont let them forget about you

[burnt orchid]

gotcha, thx

[whole berry]

the ikm assessments are somewhat medium difficulty

C was a bit on the medium hard side

so i needed to use chatgpt for that shit

but python was easy

[swift falcon]

ouid

[willow sedge]

only thing keeping my mood up with all the rejections is the new skrillex music 🥲

[swift falcon]

send it

[past hound]

Strillex is ok. I more of a fan of stuff on Monstercat and other people: https://youtu.be/6MkS_CCYIaI

One of my favorites

[willow sedge]

i’m liking his new stuff more tbh

it’s much more uk style and like got some weird bass stuff

[lost ether]

Is Veeva > Witch 👀

[rain patio]

Yes

[gleaming trellis]

what is this channel about?

[willow sedge]

suffering

[gleaming trellis]

suffering of what?

[hollow flicker]

Yeah they rejected me

[pearl swan]

Anyone done CMIC's online assessment?

[pine topaz]

Nah, this tops it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDU_Txk06tM

[past hound]

I like Crab Rave also for the memes.

Another one is: https://youtu.be/DECxluN8OZM

[pine topaz]

Good old tiems when Mosntercat was v popular

I used to listen to proxmity's stuff a lot too

[marble ivy]

what’s jpmc new grad salary in nyc

[rain patio]

120-130?

not 200k

[past hound]

NCS is also really solid:

https://youtu.be/U9pGr6KMdyg

[marble ivy]

Rly? i’m seeing 110k base

[rain patio]

Idk I was guessing, levels is accurate

[bold pier]

https://tenor.com/view/jiggin-head-bob-jay-z-gif-9224170

[marble ivy]

ya it says 110k base and the bonus is random for everyone

it’s alright

i don’t like working from a virtual machine i get like nothing done cuz of how slow and laggy it is

[bold pier]

Do you get free access to ATMs?

[marble ivy]

unlimited talk text data in every single country for $17/month

[bold pier]

damn, so no local development?

[marble ivy]

Nope all on virtual machine

Yeah free roaming

I’m out of the country rn and using it, it works great

[bold pier]

I'm so sorry, hope you pull through this

[marble ivy]

the good thing is basically no one gets any work done, most ppl here r working like 3 hours a day max

[bold pier]

also, citi referral when

[marble ivy]

link me job i’ll refer

Yes like 1 line code changes

[bold pier]

dream job, it's in nyc right?

[marble ivy]

Yeah nyc

[bold pier]

I can work here forever and focus on bodybuilding

[marble ivy]

like 1 pm to 3 pm

[pine topaz]

do u wait for code to compile for 7 hrs

jim 1 hr

rinse repeat

dream

[bold pier]

That's why all bankers are so fit

[marble ivy]

the project im working on takes 4 5 hours to fully test

[bold pier]

lmao, is it a 30 year old Java monolith

or pascal

[marble ivy]

4 to 5

[pine topaz]

Enjoy it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujJQyhB0dws

[halcyon topaz]

Made it to japan

[halcyon topaz]

So much cleaner than the Bay Area

[marble ivy]

it’s very dumb, even to test a 1 line change i have to wait like 5 hours to see if it even worked

they just end up taking everyone’s changes for the day and running it over night to see if ur fix worked for ur task

[solemn spire]

Damn Ranger is living my dream

[lost ether]

Which company is this? Sounds like a bank

[halcyon topaz]

i accidently bought a $150 wagyu fillet

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[delicate lantern]

Has anyone heard back from JPMorgan Chase Feb 2024 start date?

[halcyon topaz]

another sam banger

[delicate lantern]

I got their hackerrank passed both test cases perfectly and heard nothing back yet

[lost ether]

Still hiring recruiters I guess

[solemn spire]

It’s tomorrow. Tomorrow is the family gathering at our house. I gotta brace all the unemployment questions

[vital meteor]

which company?

[vast mica]

its quite reasonable process, for a really good tc. I got rejected from apple after 7-8 interviews. I bet they weren't giving that much

[blazing oar]

For 250k remote that process isnt even bad

[vital meteor]

250k remote bro

im willing to drag my nuts through broken glass for that

[blazing oar]

Standard is 4+ now

[vast mica]

you will surely regret after that

naa, just virtual.

this is nothing, i have given 5 rounds for internship. But it was tesla autopilot tho, so I didnt mind

[vital meteor]

was it good

[vital meteor]

tbh mental state -> $$, for most people here a job/$$ would fix their mental state but in your case it sounds like just chilling and spending time on your hobbies or w/e would be better

[arctic orchid]

Bro just snag a chill job and coast more probably something remote. Then just like do other shit throughout the day. Sometimes money ain’t worth it for the work.

[cold pawn]

I make some money at my current internship but I feel tortured because of culture, communication, lack of competency in engineers around me, and being forced to do 99% of the work they don't want to do and just shift on me
I can't wait to leave (1 week left) and wouldn't come back even for big bucks offer

and also I'm working from us remotely and the other 4 people on my team work remotely from India and the Teams connection is laggy with terrible sound

💀

[arctic orchid]

That’s really important as well if you’re not getting rewarded for your good work that’s pretty big red flag

[pine topaz]

I thought you SWE's are fuly remote, play vidya games all day, make 1 line of code chagne and bring home 6 figs? Why are you complaining?

[cold pawn]

1 line of code per day is how engineers at my current company make six figures

me after 2 month of the internship had more Github commits and lines of code written than full time guys who have worked in the company for 8 month already💀

[bold pier]

Rise and shine doomers

[hollow flicker]

Rise and shine

[fallen fox]

[hollow flicker]

Me literally every day

Also guys reddit told me I'm not a programmer if I like leetcode, I'm a coder.....

[pine topaz]

thats right this is why we need mass layuoffs

[cold pawn]

that guy likely got his Bachelor degree at Udemy

[hollow flicker]

No it's real

He's senior at pizza store

[hollow flicker]

You're a coderrrrr

CODERRRR

shits derogatory

[bold pier]

You're not a chef if you cut onions, you're just a cook

[solemn kite]

i got cisco reject. i thought it was auto oa?

is it because i'm international?

they said this

[fallen fox]

ye cisco isnt sponsoring rn

[hollow flicker]

Wtf??

Oh no

Shitsco

[bold pier]

Fuck cisco

Fuck me

[swift falcon]

bro what if we just start our own company

[hollow flicker]

Hmu let's do it

No capital needed

[swift falcon]

software is capital

make money from nothing

ezpz

[hollow flicker]

Nah but fr if swe don't work out I'm joining the legions of homeless in SF or LA

I'm gonna go there and bring the value down

Smoke crack etc

[raw plank]

Now is the time to start a business tbh

Hire a bunch of code monkeys for cheap and sell nukes or whatever to the government while you chill in your office

[hollow flicker]

Yeah selling crack

[raw plank]

Or just sell crack lol

[swift falcon]

damn that's a good idea

nobody gets paid until everyone gets paid

[raw plank]

Seriously tho if ur a business major or whatever nows the time to recruit coders for your startup

[marble ivy]

did u ever do ur revature training @raw plank

[raw plank]

No, so I got kicked out of the program lol

[final ore]

how do you get an entry-level job when everyone asks for 2-5 years of experience?

can I apply for min 2 years experience jobs?

[raw plank]

have you watched Forrest Gump?

[cold pawn]

paradox

[final ore]

no

[raw plank]

Remember how he gets into school?

[final ore]

need watch it though...

[final ore]

will it work?

when i talk to one of the walmart recruiter she is like as long as I am having 60% of the skills... I can apply....

[cold pawn]

people apply for 0 years of experience and can't get it
and you want to apply to 1-2 years...

[final ore]

i got my current job that way....

referrals aint working... OAs aint working..... and recently fed is like we may see recession in early 2024.....

[burnt orchid]

already were in one till they decided to change the definition of a recession

[final ore]

agreed!

[pine topaz]

i thought infaltion is cooling down

waht

[wet jacinth]

Yeah, all I hear on the news is that it's improving. Is it not?

[final ore]

surely inflation is at 3% now but fed wanted it to 2% again.... like back in 80's but after recent rate hike to 5.25% inflation roused above 3% again...

[pine topaz]

oh yeah it did

more rate hikes

[final ore]

which means fewer jobs

[wet jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-oh-no-no-gif-22181468

https://www.linkedin.com/news/story/oversight-sparks-hiring-at-goldman-5741964/

meant to share this

[final ore]

one of my friend gave 6 rounds for a w2 role that pays 65k in atlanta

[cold pawn]

not if you are being asked to code in Ocaml when you only know HTML

[final ore]

3 coding 1 sys design 1 recruiter phone and 1 behavioral

[cold pawn]

amazon?

[final ore]

no oracle but its w2 role

you will not be an actual employee

its like hiring only for a particular project

[fallen fox]

was it through of those "consulting" firms?

[final ore]

yep "Scamming" firms

[fallen fox]

[swift falcon]

figma bawls

[final ore]

do you guys think playing cyberpunk 2077 really worth it?

[swift falcon]

yeah

it's pretty fun tbh

[bold pier]

I heard you can adjust characters dodo size, is that true

[final ore]

Yeahh u can😂😂

[swift falcon]

dodo?

like dong?

or doodoo?

[hollow flicker]

dong

huge dong

[bold pier]

dooodoooodododododo

[swift falcon]

can you? I thought you could just change the look

[hollow flicker]

i wish i could mentally play vidya anymore but it makes me feel like lame

[bold pier]

ah bless your innocent soul

[final ore]

Dlss makes it better but still no where near GTA5's smoothness

[swift falcon]

pls 🖐️ I am not innocent

[vital meteor]

how big can it go

[bold pier]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-its-over9000-dbz-dragon-ball-z-gif-22240874

[bold pier]

that's what an innocent soul would say

[final ore]

Anti aliasing is sooooooooooooo good in gta5

[swift falcon]

I've played conan exiles

[wet jacinth]

A maximum of 5 inches. Just like in the real world.

[swift falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/jumanji-robin-williams-nightmare-seen-things-gif-17585973

[bold pier]

5? that's unrealistic

[vital meteor]

thats better than i expected

[wet jacinth]

video games tend to exaggerate

[bold pier]

so does the size have any effect on the gameplay?

[raw plank]

Depends on who you ask

[bold pier]

It didn't affect mine in anyway so I dunno

[cold pawn]

extra finger

[vital meteor]

yea my current build is tank cock build

[wet jacinth]

maybe you were rich in the game.

[bold pier]

oh I wasn't talking about the game

[wet jacinth]

ok, so you're rich irl 💸

[bold pier]

https://tenor.com/view/soulection-vibe-mood-mind-wealth-gif-18357932

[wet jacinth]

and where has this landed you? with no job. You should be more mean.

it's gotten you no where

[vital meteor]

[solemn spire]

@final ore so less jobs in 2024?

[final ore]

employment begins in the month in which fed starts reducing loan interest rates... which is not going to happen this year

[gleaming trellis]

what is this channel about?

[fallen fox]

ayaya onee-chan

[bold pier]

How to get motivation to study, I so sleepy

[willow sedge]

am i the only one who liked roblox game’s assessment

[wet jacinth]

Yes

[fallen fox]

[tacit grove]

Do you guys attach your resume when cold-emailing?

oh I don't thats prob why I don't get a response

Honestly I do that so i can schedule a call at least...to get things moving forward

[gleaming trellis]

Is this channel for ranting and lamenting about not getting a SWE job?

[rain patio]

yes

[rain patio]

can i have the story behind your username?

[past hound]

F.

More rejections.

without a interview

Seems like I am just fucked in this market

Like, I hit every bullet point, but they still reject me.

[rain patio]

Cuz all those positions are already filled, but they keep them up anyway for some stupid reason

[past hound]

I mean, I am talking like new grad positions that I applied for almost as soon as they released.

[vapid oasis]

Hang in there!!!

[gleaming trellis]

not necessarily bc interviewing and scheduling take time

[rain patio]

Probably filled internally already, but there's a legal requirement to post job postings publically or something

I'm super sceptical about the market because I got way more responses in 2022, but now it's just radio silence.

[past hound]

Same, it is just radio silence or reject for me.

[hollow flicker]

bruh this tho fr

[obsidian crater]

I didn't hear back from Color

🪢

SWE is dead

[rain patio]

I doubt things have suddenly gotten so competitive that we're not worth considering anymore. I bet it's because of fake job postings

[rain patio]

For now lol. It's seasonal, just like the oil industry

[obsidian crater]

Things have gotten competitive

You're competing with ~400k laid off people

Think about how many people 400k is

[cold pawn]

hardware engineering letz go

[cloud zinc]

got rejected from athenahealth

[chilly burrow]

I think color is competitive

They pay v well afaik

[obsidian crater]

everything is competitive now

[past hound]

literally though

[fallen fox]

you have like thousands of 100% OAs to chose from

[past hound]

if you aren't 3x faang, nobody wants you.

[fallen fox]

need T10 school + faang

[rain patio]

Change my mind: patent lawyer > code monkey

[cold pawn]

you can write a book about how to grind leetcode or your sad story about 4000 apps and no interview
the book will make millions

[chilly burrow]

Nah

I agree 😃👍

[rain patio]

Based

[chilly burrow]

If someone has applied to 4k jobs and hasn't gotten any interviews they should be focusing on their resume

[past hound]

Nobody is gonna want to read about my depression

[cold pawn]

ironic how sub-faang tier companies want you to have faang level internships

[hollow flicker]

hahaha yo

fr tho

[low scroll]

@rain patio how did you schedule your oa for epic

[hollow flicker]

well first of all its a fake job posting

(joking but me and @rain patio think it is)

but you just go to the original email they sent you and you scheedule it babyyy

[willow sedge]

were roblox coding questions rough?

[hollow flicker]

its roblix

even if they arent you not passing the game

[willow sedge]

i did the game already

was kinda fun tbh

[hollow flicker]

OA def not easy

but rng is a factor as always

[rain patio]

It’s 2 questions 50 min

[hollow flicker]

@low scroll please do the epic oa so we can confirm it's fake

Did your phone screener think you shouldnt have OA until post phone screen also? I literally got OA email before phone screen and they were like hmmmm weird

[swift falcon]

You will receive a follow up email from our team by the end of the month inviting you to complete your full application.
Is this an empty promise?

[hollow flicker]

is this from those ghosting fucks??

[swift falcon]

no

a new app i just submitted

[hollow flicker]

idk lol thats weird as hail

this why i set and forget

i just check my email

for goodies

[swift falcon]

another hopium opportunity

[hollow flicker]

they will keep coming

have faith

[swift falcon]

technically it's a good sign, it's an early career straight SE role

but who knows, this might be the only one that opens up for this company

let's see how many apps it has on linkedin

[hollow flicker]

do not

like dawg, the Willow Tree position i applied to last year had over 1000 applicants

i still got the dub with my shit school, shit internship, and middling projects

[swift falcon]

is it just me or is linkedin slow af rn

[raw plank]

I think epic gives everyone phone + oa if u pass initial screen

[hollow flicker]

what initial screen

also me and @rain patio were rejected and he is resume maxing

also he smashed the OA

[rain patio]

The app filter probably

[hollow flicker]

how did you get rejected tho? shits FAKE asf

[raw plank]

When you apply and have a degree and shit

[hollow flicker]

and you said someone was ssaying there was no HC at epic?

[swift falcon]

damn 122 applicants

its over

im doomed

won’t even get screen probably

[past hound]

only 122?

[hollow flicker]

dude thats low

what is this man on his brain broke from the ghosting

[swift falcon]

bro that’s like 50 ppl i gotta compete with

[obsidian crater]

looks like I'm gonna get ghosted again

....

[fallen fox]

[hollow flicker]

if its local 95 of them have only a bootcamp and no projects

[swift falcon]

aint no way

[swift falcon]

i reject this logic

[hollow flicker]

dude

im not pulling this out of my ass

i have heard from multiple people who work swe in small locals say this

and im near good schools

[cold pawn]

I competed with 500 people for a single position for my current internship
don't give up

[hollow flicker]

seriously its something you can take as a confidence boost

[swift falcon]

we’ll see

[hollow flicker]

literally just today guy i interviewed with basically said this

[swift falcon]

if I don’t hear back by sept 1st from this company it’s over

[swift falcon]

u had interview?

final right?

[hollow flicker]

yeeah it was great im prolly set

[swift falcon]

so the person who interviewed said what exactly?

they got X apps and only Y were viable?

[hollow flicker]

they were like: a lot of people apply to these roles that are totally unqualified

and my manager at my internship was literally lamenting this for montjhs

he works at a place hiring SWEs right by UMich

and it was still ass tier boot campers half the time

[swift falcon]

did he say how many candidates there were at the final round?

[hollow flicker]

he said a few

[swift falcon]

well i pray for you

[hollow flicker]

thank you brotha

i rizzed them up i got this

and if i dont, oh well

i had bro giggling tho i got it ez

[willow sedge]

did roblox

lmao got one question but just ran out of time to finish the second one smh

[tacit grove]

@gentle peak anything lined up yet?

[gleaming trellis]

I wonder why some companies wanted you to do OA before looking at your resume

[hollow flicker]

its just to limit resumes

[low scroll]

the recruiter kept hitting me up to do the oa

surely it cant be fake

[hollow flicker]

ok what the fuck?

mine never did

and i pushed it till last second

[hard mist]

For people who graduated in fall semesters, does it matter if you list your graduation date as December 2022 instead of January 2023 if you're applying for entry roles?

Was wondering if having it listed as December would lead to auto-rejects from ATS since the grad date wouldnt be in the same year

[tacit grove]

Okay 👍

[jade seal]

pretty sure you're supposed to list it as december otherwise it'll look very sus

[burnt orchid]

how difficult was the coding

[valid flame]

their first coding questions arent to obad

[willow sedge]

it wasn’t like hard

it’s just too little time

[valid flame]

yeah

the questions would be easy, maybe medium on leetcode

but you have 45 mins to do 2 which is kind of a time crunch

[burnt orchid]

any recommendations on what to prep before taking it

[valid flame]

theyre pretty generic

if ur good at leetcode youll be fine

[willow sedge]

there’s just not enough time lol

[valid flame]

finding a job is so fucking frustrating

[tacit grove]

Does simplify work for workday? @bold pier

[bold pier]

Yes of course

[valid flame]

i got an interview at one place and i was doing well, then for the last interview they had me do a live coding problem in 30 mins

i couldnt do it

looked it up afterwards and it was a Hard on leetcode, and they had changed the problem to make it even more difficult

i couldve done it in a few hours, but 30 minutes. . . fuck that shit dawg

[willow sedge]

who did that 😆

[valid flame]

nimble robotics was the company name

[hollow flicker]

Bro are these fuckin small companies on crack

The smaller places I do have like easy ass shit

[valid flame]

i guess they get enough applicants to justify it

[hollow flicker]

Not a fuckin LC hard

Nah bruh that's crazy asking hards I swear

How did they make it harder??

[valid flame]

it was a problem where you had to do some fucky shit with an integer list. the leetcode problem would give you a list of length 4 with ints ranging from 1-9

the problem they gave me was the same, but with lists of lengths ranging from 3-6 with ints ranging from 1-13

[willow sedge]

i got asked obscure java knowledge during an interview

[halcyon topaz]

i got a lc hard for my first question on the roblox oa

fucked me up

[hollow flicker]

Dude they smokin

Some places think they hot shit and can give LC hards now

I genuinely think it's not gonna work that well

[valid flame]

the kicker is that i already had to do a difficult coding project before the LC hard

that one i actually passed though

[obsidian crater]

it's over

[valid flame]

ong

[hollow flicker]

Bruh what is this company the second coming of christ

Did they have tons of applicants

Like whats the TC bruh it better be crazy

[heavy reef]

I think Blind75 is just the expectation now regardless of company.

I remember when LC hard/mediums were practically unheard of outside of FAANG.

Dafuq you doing here.

LOL, hell no, I bet you have job already./

Let's rope together.

You 2023 new grad too?

You been applying?

Bet your LC game is top tier.

[hollow flicker]

Hards are hilarious tho fr

[heavy reef]

LOL, yeah, they're definitely hilarious when I'm trying to perfect Blind75, juggle three personal projects, and learn new technologies/system design/DevOps. 😭

[hollow flicker]

Wb nc150 too I mean that's what I'm doin

[heavy reef]

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy LeetCode, but goddamn, I feel so spread thin with the amount of prep and knowledge I need to meet the bar for interviews.

[hollow flicker]

But yeah perfecting it is tough

Yeah same I fw leetcode but yeah..

[heavy reef]

Yeah, I can see myself freezing up during an actual interview.

The theory comes easy, but I keep forgetting minute details for the syntax.

[hollow flicker]

Bruh I just wanna be a DP god

[heavy reef]

How's the market been for you so far? I'm trying to get a good gauge how true all the doom and gloom posts are.

[heavy reef]

Same tbh. ICPC someday.

LOL jk, I don't think I have the brain cells for that.

Oh shittttt, that resume probably be looking real hot.

Hope you get an offer soon, .

[delicate lantern]

Unless it’s something where you have to fill out a drop down it’s not gonna be an ats auto rejection most of the stuff you hear about ats is bs, but some person might look at your resume and reject for that, but still better to put Jan 2023 I guess

[heavy reef]

Naw, I actually only started applying two days ago. Was overseas for family things and just came back recently.

Woke up to an unexpected phone screen today though and I have two OAs I need to fail.

My LC game is hella weak, spent too long on other technologies.

New grad positions gon open more and more so I want to be prepared for that.

Never. LOL. I only just learned how to reverse a linked list yesterday.

Lmk when your big brain gets that offer though, ICS 51 and Stats 67 god, frfr.

[willow sedge]

hehe

[hollow flicker]

Don't cri

[willow sedge]

Software Engineer - Site Reliability

[hollow flicker]

Lmk when you get in I need a referral

[willow sedge]

i hope i get in oml

[hollow flicker]

Get dub

[obsidian crater]

I got rejected from msft too

it's over

[hollow flicker]

go apply to citi bank

[obsidian crater]

they always ghost

[cold pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-gates-gif-22015131

at least enjoy bill gates getting caked

[vapid oasis]

How did u get the referral

[bold pier]

Just look at your username for answer

[willow sedge]

my uncles god daughter lol

[tacit grove]

okay...yeah just checked it works. Saves ample amount of time 🙏

[tacit grove]

@bold pier def find you the funniest on this server 😂

[bold pier]

thanks a lot you get the first referral after I'm employed

[fresh mango]

Nah this UCI?

[heavy reef]

Ofc.

There are only dozens of us.

[vapid oasis]

perhaps I did not phrase the question correctly. I just wanted to know how people reach out to people in companies. Like what do they write in the message to convince someone to refer them to a job.

[fresh mango]

I TA'd 31-46 💀

and took them as a student💀💀

[fresh mango]

humble zot zot zot to my fellows

[hollow flicker]

Tell us a little bit about you and why you think you would be a good fit at Stripe? ???

mmmmdesperate

[vapid oasis]

honestly I kind of use chatgpt for that. I just hope they don't have any AI checker.

[delicate lantern]

Why do I feel that anyone you for a referral from TikTok they give that to you for free

Like they even just put it in their bio

So you don’t even have to ask and connect with them

It’s like so suspiciously easy to get a referral from them

Is the referral bonus like huge

[rain patio]

Referral bonus is nice

[delicate lantern]

Like how much they getting for each referral bonus

Ya I know there’s something like a referral bonus but like damn bro

[heavy reef]

Damn, good days.

[tiny leaf]

for databricks grad date is Spring 2024 or Summer 2024? I graduate in May 2024

[heavy reef]

I respect that. TAs work hard.

[vast mica]

stripe app says-> A Bachelor’s, Master’s, or PhD degree in computer science or a directly related field, obtained by summer 2024, or equivalent work experience. if one is graduating dec 2023/jan 2024, can they apply?

[chilly burrow]

Just apply

And hope

[vast mica]

i see, I will :))

cool, thanks :))

[shut thistle]

T - 13 for what?

[blazing flame]

is this new grad?

[blazing flame]

yh obviously

[manic wedge]

okay the cisco oa enivornment is horrible

[blazing flame]

what kinda question is this lol

[grizzled bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[manic wedge]

and i got a frickin dp question

[blazing flame]

says "obtained by"

[past hound]

The dp question I got was like the easiest LC dp question

[vast mica]

yes, just wanted to confirm, english is not my first language

[vast mica]

thank you :))

[blazing flame]

yes, but did the real hasbulla complain about his dwarfism? no, he made it his bitch and he's rich and famous. u need to make this dp questions ur bitch and solve it

[willow sedge]

not specifically lol

[blazing flame]

oh shit sorry didn't mean to be rude or anything

[manic wedge]

i did 😭 , took a while but we got it. all test cases passed

[blazing flame]

(but also i feel ur pain fuck dp)

[vast mica]

naa bro, you didnt sound rude to me :))

[manic wedge]

need to brush up tho, that's the part of blind/NC that i bullshitted lol

[past hound]

yea

[ornate cliff]

Sooooo August came and went... Where are the jobs?????????

[bold pier]

I got 0 new calls in aug, total 3 actual non-ghosted calls this year 1 in march and 2 in july

[chilly burrow]

Stripe just opened

also its only halfway thru the month

[ornate cliff]

For real or troll like last night?

[chilly burrow]

#grad_postings_old

[grizzled bronze]

They've been coming, Qualtrics next week and Capital One next month

More of the jobs are gonna be posted in September

[ornate cliff]

LFG

[willow sedge]

how do you know when they are gonna be posted?

[grizzled bronze]

From recruiters

[willow sedge]

u have recruiters talking to u?

[grizzled bronze]

No, I found out through Handshake and reaching out

[willow sedge]

ah

[grizzled bronze]

Only people reaching out to me are from Revature

[willow sedge]

lmao

[heavy reef]

I might be stupid, but what does this mean on Stripe's app?

The "start date."

Does it mean when I started my degree or when I can start working?

[blazing flame]

first year of skool

since it's under education

[heavy reef]

Ah.

[vital meteor]

lol

[polar grail]

Better than my stats

[bold pier]

come on, let it out!

[marble flower]

received verbal offer today for local fintech company . I'll be leaving you guys

[rain patio]

Congrats bro

[marble flower]

Thanks man

Feel so relieved

I hope all you guys make it

[vital meteor]

Congratz and enjoy your life

[past hound]

tips?

[cold pawn]

verbal money

[past hound]

Idk your experience

[exotic crest]

For real LOL

it just freezes like every couple minutes

[past hound]

It was. Although, the questions were really easy

[cold pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/jjj-laugh-gif-14902144

it's funny because so true

[marble flower]

just keep applying and grinding lc. I was unemployed since may 2023. Took 241 Applications, 259 LC questions. Got asked LC medium during final round which I was prepared for

[past hound]

How much experience did you have before?

[marble flower]

4 internships. 2 no-name private and 2 at university

[bold pier]

congrats, never come back hopefully

[past hound]

I really only have uta experience under my belt, so it seems like I am just flat out fucked.

[marble flower]

I have a deep fear of getting laid off so I'm gonna keep grinding LC . Plus TC isn't great at all

[rain patio]

@lunar sonnet yoo how about a test prep app

have open ai train on like online sat test prep resources

and devise a test plan

based on a guy's moke test

[marble flower]

cash out on your referalls if you have any pending

Like if you have friends who you can ask favors from

[rain patio]

and then undercut the test prep centers

we can do that for lc too

[bold pier]

if you are citizen and don't have big financial obligations, get some (paid or unpaid) experience in startups and go from there

and ofcourse that's till market improves

[bold pier]

it's a start, you can switch once you get those years of experience in