2023_grads

[lost ether]

Means u cant call in sick

[rain patio]

sure!

[swift falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/ogvhs-woo-wooo-woooo-wooooo-gif-22674107

LETS GOOOOOOO

🚀 🚀 🚀

[narrow seal]

am i supposed to be doing something else

[leaden aspen]

Won’t work when you pass in n=1 right

It would divide to 0 then fail

[solemn spire]

Anyone have any article that explains how to design website

[narrow seal]

so would (n / 2) % 2 be better @leaden aspen

[dusty basin]

return true

Or false

Instead of print

[obsidian crater]

Another thing

n = n / 2 in python performs float division

so 5/2 is 2.5, not 2

For int division you want //

[rain patio]

I think it breaks because it divides the number before you check if it's equal to 1. If n is 1, then it divides it in half, then it returns false since 1 isn't equal to 1. But 1 is a power of 2 because 2 to the 0 power is 1

[obsidian crater]

For leetcode, return the answer instead of printing it

[narrow seal]

make sense

[rain patio]

@narrow seal I swapped around a few lines and got it to work lol:

class Solution:
    def isPowerOfTwo(self, n: int) -> bool:
        while n >= 1:   
            if n == 1:
                return True
            else:
                n = n / 2
        return False```

[narrow seal]

makes

[lost ether]

Do modulo + check for remainder 👀

[rain patio]

You can do wacky bit math too lol

Found this solution lol return n and not (n & n - 1)

some people are just cracked idk how they figured that out wtf

[narrow seal]

???

how

consider me stupified

no yeah i know this

that four and three

the -1 solution

i was looking for an alternative

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[brazen cave]

yo so what do u guys think about revature

[dense stag]

shit TC

[bold thorn]

250k a year as back up wtf 💀

[autumn iris]

only takes 3 yrs

oh

💀

[fallen fox]

[autumn iris]

even more doomed for new grads

[rain patio]

Idgi

why do people take time out of their day to fake stuff like this

how bored do u have to be

[solemn spire]

Bunch of kids who got time in their hand

[raw plank]

role playing as successful people to hide the pain

Fake it till you make it

[gloomy terrace]

cuz it's a complete no name so it'll tank my early career and i wanna go back to big tech

[vital meteor]

Is it conduent?

[gloomy terrace]

series A that just secured funding

idk bruh i didnt believe either until they told me

[halcyon topaz]

^

send postin

[gloomy terrace]

someone reached out

not if it means taking off other stuff i have

google, databricks, research at T5 uni

also quant

[vital meteor]

Feelings of rope rising

[halcyon topaz]

anyone here not have a cs undergrad degree?

[gloomy terrace]

im on a visa so company size/name matters in case i dont get h-1b

also having worked at a few places, i'd prioritize wlb/culture/security over potential money

the difference between 200k and 250k is less than u think and it's only valid for like the first year until u get promo

oh yeah same

but i also know my value

[vital meteor]

Are you waiting for other offers?

[gloomy terrace]

yeah

[gloomy terrace]

im interviewing

[vital meteor]

For L3? They took awhile for me last year due to delays

Yea took a couple weeks to schedule onsite then like 2-3 months to get result iirc

Then you wait for team match

Yea I've been stuck in tm

There's no hc for L3 atm though

Nah doesn't mean anything w/o an offer

Like 11 months

[swift falcon]

I forgot to send out the 24hr email thanking the hiring manager for interview after first screen, I hope it doesn't tank my chances, I can't help feel like I fucked myself because I geniunely wanted to follow-up. I'm trying to put on a brave face but I'm screaming inside.

[vital meteor]

yea recruiter said it will depend on hc

No, you only get offer after tm

Passing the onsite and hiring committee doesn't mean anything

[swift falcon]

damn, so like you may or may not be getting a job? like 1 month

[vital meteor]

Might need to do more interviews not sure yet

[halcyon topaz]

so no hope for google new grad

[swift falcon]

that just sounds out of control to me

like insane

utter madness

[vital meteor]

Recruiter said no L3 headcount at all

L4 just started moving again

[halcyon topaz]

gg

[urban gulch]

Oh wow u can just stay in team matching indefinitely like that?

[swift falcon]

what does l3 and l4 mean

is that level of experience or sth?

[halcyon topaz]

l3 is their entry level position

[brazen cave]

i mean most of us r unemployed, time is all they have 💀

[vital meteor]

Thanks wagmi

[fallen fox]

https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/15my5sh/just_got_a_job_offer_for_95k_fully_remote_i_am/

another one

[tacit oak]

What… someone can get a job without a degree and probably no experience but I can’t get even one interview?!?!?

[swift falcon]

ODIN PROJECT

wtf is that even

[hollow flicker]

It's epic

[fallen fox]

~17 interviews in the last two months apparently

ngl even a t10 grad would struggle to pull that off in this market

[hollow flicker]

Yeah literally how that's fake

[swift falcon]

um bruh I'd take anything at this point

[hollow flicker]

Yeah uh same

[swift falcon]

I got passed over at a consultant firm for a NANNY BOOTCAMPER

[hollow flicker]

I've applied to quite a few gov related things with 0 replies

[swift falcon]

I applied to general dynamics lol

[hollow flicker]

I am getting interviews though just working through em

And not that many lolol

[swift falcon]

i'm getting no interviews

[hollow flicker]

I'm applying literally anywhere

That is swe

At all

[swift falcon]

like literally the one I got on monday (was a phone screen tbh) was like from 2 months ago they finally got around to me

[hollow flicker]

Fuckin absurd

I have an offer but I really don't want to do it cause it's travel heavy

[swift falcon]

makes 0 sense tbh

[hollow flicker]

And I'm interviewing at a dope place

2 interviews in there

[rain patio]

Wait. If you work at a small company and have some experience. Can you try for FAANG for Mid-level?

[brazen cave]

yea im applying to everything n waiting for market to get better

[rain patio]

Most of the posts I see are just new grads

[brazen cave]

i tried for mid level too

im at a start up, implemented scrum n feature branches

[hollow flicker]

Is there any way to find start ups specifically to apply to

[rain patio]

Like 3 years. Let's say just a company that makes trucks locally in the state.

[brazen cave]

i found it thru my school

bc they were creating dev branches for everyone instead of making branches for feature

super unorganized start up

yea i had to

to improve the work process

it was bad

[rain patio]

Creating a trucking software that typically manages shipping logistics, dispatching trucks, route planning.

[swift falcon]

nah it's govt

but i'm sure competitive

[hollow flicker]

I applied to a ton of ARA shit

[brazen cave]

nah i do everything too, full stack

[narrow seal]

depends on your ethics tbh

[brazen cave]

what separates entry n mid

[swift falcon]

lol also this

[narrow seal]

would you be willing to work for a more obvious warfare corporation say lockheed or raytheon?

not that general dynamics isn’t a defense contractor itself

[swift falcon]

i was in the marines so idgaf at this point, i am alr going to hell

[rain patio]

C/C++ and Python. Damn so even if I grind leetcode and could potentially do well in interviews I have no shot?

Yeah embedded mostly

They have some Embedded positions at like Meta though. But damn it is what it is

Yeah cause I only see people trying to get to FAANG from a new-grad standpoint or internships.

Not someone that's currenly already working at a small company

[fierce orbit]

has anyone recently interviewed with chewy?

[rich prairie]

ngl APPLE > rest of FAANG

unironically

yes they do shady business shit too but not nearly as much as the rest

did anyone see google youtube's whole AD algo (literally their whole business) being trashed by that report

and honestly when i think of google i just think of a company that loves starting and cancelling projects after making them public

and meta is just a platform killer at this point

ofc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWJrsz_cmas

[serene nymph]

anyone has the link to the codesignal channel?

[hollow flicker]

I swear this place I have an offer from is worse than govt

I'd take less money for it to be less shit

[rich prairie]

money

idk but the report was independent so w/e

[burnt orchid]

u guys know where is the best place to find a govt job

[narrow seal]

i mean defense contractors

if you have a destroyed sense of ethics

or your wife cheated on you with your father and brother…

[fallen fox]

[narrow seal]

your name is pls one offer you can’t judge

but really

he did say gov yeah

and no public sector job is going to pay anywhere close to private

well maybe like 0.1%?

[jovial latch]

There are no ethical companies

Every company is shit

[narrow seal]

150k

which is average for a lot of people here ig

[narrow seal]

yeah but atleast most of them don’t try to outright kill

[jovial latch]

Defense contractors like the guy said, that's where it's usually at

Very annoying though

[narrow seal]

public government sector *

[burnt orchid]

where do i find these defense contractors, they got a site with a list of em?

[jovial latch]

Usually shitty app portals, relocate your ass to bumbfuck nowhere, eh pay

[narrow seal]

mf google them

[jovial latch]

But ya know, I hear works chill

[narrow seal]

no

not defense

i meant out of defense

like actual government

not just contractors to the government

[jovial latch]

Defense pay is low but benefits are good from what I hear

[narrow seal]

yeah

[rain patio]

wagner group

[narrow seal]

wagner group TC is you get to live

[jovial latch]

Raytheon, bae systems, Boeing, Lockheed, l3harris

That'll give you a good start for now

[jovial latch]

Be aware of this though

I'd generally use defense as a last resort, their security requirements make shit a pain in the ass compared to other industries

Also you better know c++/.net

[willow sedge]

sksksk i got rejected from a job because i’m not on a visa

[grizzled bronze]

just apply, they take anyone with a pulse

[wraith yew]

😳

fr

[swift falcon]

there's no way

[willow sedge]

idk why u wanna sell ur soul to the government thou

i know someone that works for the government and they are so paranoid

[swift falcon]

wdym

like scared someone is going to kidnap them?

[willow sedge]

yeah

or that they can’t talk to certain people

or do dna tests lmao

after

lmaoo

[autumn iris]

[pulsar mural]

:CLe_PeepoSleep:

[fresh mango]

guys lol I need some advice, got a hiring manager interview (local company) coming up, what should I expect?

[narrow seal]

just study your ass off and stay calm

if you can’t answer a question do not try to bs your way out

be truthful

[fresh mango]

explain my through whatever is in my head yeah?

[narrow seal]

if you explain how you would find out the answer to that question and thought process

[fresh mango]

way*

[narrow seal]

interviewer may have mercy

yeah

[fresh mango]

thanks, should continue to ask you for good advice🙏

[narrow seal]

only through unity do we create a foundation my brother 🙏

[bold pier]

Daily doomer gang midnight check in

[narrow seal]

at this point i feel as though i am both the homeless man and the cruel man

i already have a cow ready to go

my leather rope will be here in five years

hmm better way to guarantee JS interview

thanks

🙏

[halcyon topaz]

Is it normal to get ghosted by companies

[narrow seal]

i saw somebody in here who has apparently been waiting one year for youtube….

[halcyon topaz]

Holy shit

[narrow seal]

nah what 😂

this gotta be illegal or sum

[lost ether]

They might have laid off the recruiter in one of the past rounds

[wet jacinth]

Happened to me as well. Tiktok final HM didn't show up. They sent me a rejection the next day: 'HM decided to go a different direction'

[rich prairie]

oh WHAT

[rich prairie]

such bullshit, id literally file a complaint, that is just bad fucking manners and a shitty job

how can u not notify for a cancelled meeting

if an APPLICANT did that they'd be dropped from process immediately without question

[hollow flicker]

this but actually

I swear the people who hired me at Willow Tree finna be laid off by the time our massively delayed start dates come around

I think Im gonna take this other offer and bail on it if I get something better, or just stay there until willow tree hits me back, just keep applying

bru you need a roblox user name? lol

ig you dont need it but its a field

i hate auto OAs

[cloud zinc]

New associate software engineer roles at MITRE:

https://careers.mitre.org/us/en/job/MITRUSR111598EXTERNALENUS

I might fail to get this role, but you guys might be lucky

no clearance required, but you must get a clearance within a year after working

defense company focusing on cybersecurity

[rain patio]

MITRE is pretty reputable

[cloud zinc]

I've interned there before, and they also have some experimental projects that focus on other dev work

my most recent internship involved an Embrava clone that used REST APIs and databases

[bold pier]

so needs to be a citizen right?

[cloud zinc]

unfortunately, yeah

[bold pier]

nice

[swift falcon]

damn and no RO?

[bold pier]

Also, does capital one not sponsor? I got auto rejected for 3 roles instantly even though I had perfect profile for them :3

[cloud zinc]

nah. They never told me, but the hiring freeze also prevented them from taking some interns back as full-timers

[blazing oar]

yeah cap1 doesnt sponsor

[cloud zinc]

I was super pissed at first, and my introduction to this server involved me freaking out about it

but it looks like this was beyond their control as well

[cloud zinc]

Shit was falling apart right when my internship was over

[fallen fox]

nope

95%+ of NG 2024 dont sponsor

🪢

[wet jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/mha-heart-mah-sole-soul-gif-10805626

[fallen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-rope-loop-gif-25246066

[bold pier]

lmao somebody kill me lol

[wet jacinth]

No, you must suffer before you die!

and pay bills

[hollow flicker]

I swear dude i feel like this company is gonna just give me NOTHING to put on my resume

is my concern

its all like software for machines

dynometers and shit

[wet jacinth]

so, you have a job? The audacity of some people.

[hollow flicker]

no

its an offer

that i have to move for

i may do it but I have other interviews in process that are 10x better

[wet jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-happy-showoff-jazz-hands-jim-halpert-gif-12770931

[hollow flicker]

I mean is that not a valid concern though? I would rather not get stuck working at a shit machine manufacturer

[wet jacinth]

it is, I'm jk.

[hollow flicker]

ok just checking

cause like the money is good enough I just dont want to get trapped

lmfao some are definitely more trap like than others

I just dont want to do solo travel to go fix machines bruhh

[autumn jolt]

how did your interview with MS go?

[bold pier]

went well, onsite in 2 weeks

[autumn jolt]

wohho! Good luck!

[bold pier]

thanks!

[hollow flicker]

thats awesome fr

[swift falcon]

damn it aint lookin good guys

10:33 AM no response from company abt 2nd round

[hollow flicker]

yeah same here

[halcyon topaz]

wtf roblox dropped

thats hype

anyone take the assessment yet?

[bold pier]

Yes, it's 2 sum and reverse a string

[halcyon topaz]

That’s too true

[fallen fox]

yes also add two integers

wagmi

[halcyon topaz]

How do you add two integers

[fallen fox]

by roping

[halcyon topaz]

Fuck

[fallen fox]

🪢

[bold pier]

You think about it

[halcyon topaz]

You think the decision making part will be playing east brickton

[hollow flicker]

damn thats fuckin easy

gonna do that later

[west pagoda]

Is 500/600 codesignal alright -> or is it worth aiming for 600?

[static quarry]

thats tough

is it 500 on the dot?

[west pagoda]

Yeah

[static quarry]

damn

codesignal is so rng

like you can get a really hard quesiton and just be fked

[hollow flicker]

O it's a meme lol

I was like wtf

I didn't even know add two ints was an actual LC question that's funny

[west pagoda]

Yeah I feel like I got lucky even with the questions for 500, so I am nervous to re-take it and screw myself

[static quarry]

ehhhhh yeah idk thats a coin toss

[hollow flicker]

You have to to get it to pass?

Cuz with c++ it just passes with the obvious incredibly naive solution

Yeah their benchmarking suks

[rich prairie]

hate bit manipulation

wrote that shit in native python

xD

my best LC Py solution was a one liner minus the return statement

[hollow flicker]

Has anyone here done the absurd Epic medical systems oa

I just did it and it was like dumb

Extremely dumb

[rich prairie]

f

[rain patio]

Yep

I did it a few days ago lol

[hollow flicker]

lol i swear the coding questions were just weird

i did ok probably but not being able to run code just sucks

[rich prairie]

sometimes coding questions become overcomplicated with context

meanwhile the actual ASK is actually quite simple

[hollow flicker]

well also like they were not very specific about certain constaints

[rich prairie]

and sometimes it's the opposite

o

[hollow flicker]

there was one where they wanted you to transpose a word to another one by swapping adjacent letters which is easy if you know letters will just need to be swapped with the one next to them

but they didnt specify either way lol

[rain patio]

I made sure to write down all of my assumptions

[hollow flicker]

yeah i did too

[rain patio]

I also commented my approach and general thinking process

[rich prairie]

wtf

[hollow flicker]

the math portion was like absurdly stupid lol

[rain patio]

I thought the 2 min section would show us a timer lmao

[hollow flicker]

no shit lol

[vapid oasis]

Did anyone take the J.P. Morgan oa

I just took it and they asked me some very weird questions

I was under the impression that they would be ez question

[rain patio]

I did JPMorgan oa

[vapid oasis]

Or medium

[rain patio]

I forgot my questions

[vapid oasis]

I just took it

I screwed it up

Ngl

[hollow flicker]

Mfw I screw it up

[vapid oasis]

One question was like a math problem. The other was a greedy. I solved both of them but in the hidden test cases they were giving tle. I looked at the constraints and normally in lc it would pass. It was my bad to assume that hacker rank had the same online judge as leetcode.

[hollow flicker]

This company I have an offer from just asked me about OOP for an hour 💀

[vapid oasis]

Damn

[hollow flicker]

Actually like such a red flag but yeah

They had me print out a multiplication table lolol

[vapid oasis]

What’s the Glassdoor review

[hollow flicker]

Literally 2 loops

[vapid oasis]

Bruh

Tf

[hollow flicker]

Not good

[vapid oasis]

Oooh

[hollow flicker]

It's not TERRIBLE but

Yeah

[vapid oasis]

I’m so desperate fr anything. I need my foot in the door

[hollow flicker]

I'm like very unsure on accepting

They only gave me 5 days too haha

[vapid oasis]

Damn is the pay atleast good

[hollow flicker]

Wdym tc

[hollow flicker]

75 which is ok

But it's more like the experience may not be there at all

Grand Rapids

On site every day from what they said

[willow sedge]

thats a nice area

[arctic orchid]

Take it

[hollow flicker]

Yeah I wanted to finish these interviews with this other company

[arctic orchid]

Yeah Iowa is so cheap

[hollow flicker]

But I also think I might take it

It's not iowa it's mi

MI is less cheap but still ok

[arctic orchid]

Oh

Where’s Grand Rapids

[hollow flicker]

Mi

I just am like actually scared cuz the interview was so stupid

Like they made me do a multiplication table that is absurdly dumb

Like can they not find anyone I don't get it ye know?

[willow sedge]

i wouldnt complain lol

[hollow flicker]

is that not a red flag though

[vapid oasis]

I understand your worries

Tbh it is up to u

[hollow flicker]

they didnt even ask about any of my projects OR my internship

[vapid oasis]

I feel like if I was in your situation I would do more research

Maybe contact someone in the company

[hollow flicker]

yeah dude

thats not a bad idea

[vapid oasis]

Yeah that’s kinda ez….tooo ez

In this market

[hollow flicker]

ok ill update

[vapid oasis]

Did anyone take the optiver oa

I mean the deadline passed

But just wondering everyone’s thought

Still kinda pissed about J.P. Morgan’s is tbh…but we live and learn

[hollow flicker]

what should i be like looking for here in your opinion

[rich prairie]

shitty oa?

[hollow flicker]

i know for a fact that there is minimal mentorship

Basically it entails a 3 month training period, then you get a project team of some kind and you do a lot of customer interaction

the training period they said is you just go do a project

Their team lead that i met with has 0 experience outside of this place

a lot of these people have never worked anywhere else or have worked at this place for decades lmfao

yeah i havent seen a single guy who worked at a bigger/more well known company

i think im gonna tell them i need another week because I have a final at this other company next week and want to do it.

all these dudes have worked here since 2001 fuck this place

[vapid oasis]

bruh even with the effiecient solution, I was getting a tle. I had a nlogn solution, which was better than O(n^2) amd O(n^3)

[hollow flicker]

its generally a bad sign if these people havent switched jobs in 20 years right

also a bunch of these SWEs just have electrical engineering degrees?

[rich prairie]

damn, i still barely understand efficiency

but that sucks

smh

[hollow flicker]

is this a meme i genuinely have no idea what they do in school

thats insane haha

hmmmm is it a bad sign they have been at this place for 20 years or a good sign hmmm

yeah its not embedded apparently but like right above

i wanna hop around : (

[arctic orchid]

Bro just take offer don’t risk getting rescinded

If anything push your start date

[hollow flicker]

i could just take the offfer an push start date

its not like im beholden to it

[arctic orchid]

Def not worth risking in this market

[hollow flicker]

i feel like ive been actually getting interviews at local places its weird

[hollow flicker]

i should also be clear that i do still have an offer from Willow Tree albeit it is delayed

[arctic orchid]

Hmmm I mean until you’re writing code for a company I wouldn’t be gun ho about anything

[hollow flicker]

did you see what i said earlier about their interview process

cause i wanna know what people think abt that

[arctic orchid]

The interview process is shady?

[hollow flicker]

they asked me about oop for 1 hour and then had me "print a multiplication table"

so two for loops

[rich prairie]

who did this?

so i can avoid them permanently

ty

[arctic orchid]

Um tbh idk

[hollow flicker]

yeah i mean its an offer but like it might just be fucked based on that dude

[arctic orchid]

You’re in a weird spot

[hollow flicker]

like its not a simple decision for me lol

yeah and id move for it, and move my girlfriend with me

[arctic orchid]

You also don’t want to kick yourself a few months down the line incase you have no offer to fall back on

[rain patio]

Local positions usually have chill interviews

[hollow flicker]

no doubt bruh

this other interview process is going A+ but you never know

[hollow flicker]

it was almost like "have you programmed anything" lol

[arctic orchid]

Yeah you literally never know

[hollow flicker]

case in point is my willow tree offer getting pushed mere weeks before start

[rich prairie]

i did a local pos interview

rejected without notif after in person int

😦

[arctic orchid]

Do you go to Umich?

[rich prairie]

me no

[hollow flicker]

no

[rain patio]

does that place have other swe’s?

[hollow flicker]

yes they do

they basically all have only worked THERE

[arctic orchid]

SWE at a local company can be an ambiguous title

Idk personally I would take offer and just keep pushing back start date 😂😂

[hollow flicker]

they were incredibly not specific about actual job responsibilities even when i asked

so youre probably right

[rain patio]

what’s the pay like?

[hollow flicker]

75

[rain patio]

do u know when the start date is

[hollow flicker]

I floated a month and they were like ok

[arctic orchid]

And they gave you 5 days to accept offer?

[hollow flicker]

yeah

[rain patio]

Go on LinkedIn and look for former employees at that place

Anything on Glassdoor?

[arctic orchid]

Not the worst I got two days

[hollow flicker]

negative

[arctic orchid]

Sounds like a chill place to work lol

[hollow flicker]

i can dm you the name of the company if you want to look

[arctic orchid]

How big is the dev team?

[hollow flicker]

it seems like 15 ish swes?

[rain patio]

Definitely look for ppl that used to work there and try to talk with them

[hollow flicker]

yeah i dont but am obviously incredibly sketch about not taking an offer

even though ive only been searching for 3 weeks, you literally never know.

[arctic orchid]

Sounds like a bunch of guys who’ve written a bunch of shit code no one understands to stay employed

But I could be very wrong

[rain patio]

What type of company is it?

[hollow flicker]

I grad in august technically

but im done with school

[hollow flicker]

they make machines, primarily vehicle testing shit

[arctic orchid]

Personally I would accept and push start date until you have a more concrete answer from other companies

[rain patio]

Prob not that sus then, I was worried it was a WITCH or something

[hollow flicker]

whats a WITCH lol

[rain patio]

Contracting firms like revature

[hollow flicker]

ohhh

[arctic orchid]

Cognizant

[hollow flicker]

i definitely dont want to stay here long its heavy travel

which wont start until 6 months in but yeah

honestly i have no idea, ill think about it for the next 3 hours and decide.

[arctic orchid]

I thot revature trained you too tho

[hollow flicker]

yeah for min wage

[rain patio]

Yeah they have a training period

U can get lucky with a WITCH and get do work for a FAANG

[arctic orchid]

Better than nothing it def sounds sketch but reading up on people’s experiences still sounds better than a boot camp

[hollow flicker]

thats WHAT IM SAYING

[arctic orchid]

Like at least they match you with work

[rain patio]

Do you know anything abt the languages or tools they use?

[hollow flicker]

they literally stressed so hard that customer service and travel are main elements

[hollow flicker]

C++

i know

thanks

cuz i think i have time too

but i like getting all the perspectives

to this point, they said SWEs even call customers

and like we have to go ALONE to customer sites to bug fix

like just one poor jr engineer

to mexico or wherever

yeah it felt like one when i visited in person

[rain patio]

Consultancy vibes

[hollow flicker]

tfw they want you to print a multiplication table for the interview and thats it

[rain patio]

maybe IT

[hollow flicker]

dont ask you about your internship OR your projects

yes dude

this unironically would be me

[arctic orchid]

you'd be surprised how many big companies basically hire CS kids to basically be consultants

[hollow flicker]

its not a big company really

[arctic orchid]

under the title of SWE

[hollow flicker]

they have big clients but its not big

[arctic orchid]

Like IBM for example

[hollow flicker]

id rather do fuckin IT

or infrastructure shit at an insurance company

[arctic orchid]

I just feel like getting the first bit of experience is all that matters

doing side projects on the side matters a lot

[hollow flicker]

its literally dynometers mostly

you know those giant things for car testing

those

and i havent even hit my grad date yet

so im gonna stay away

i have a place to live for a long time even if its not ideal

ok good, see im trying to measure my desperation

like i know i should be desperate but how desperate

going from a Willow Tree offer for my specialty to working at some random dynometer company is just

really demoralizing

and i only got the WT news mid july so have not even been grinding long at ALLL

yeah i mean thats facts

id take way less money if this job had even one green flag

it was just a barrage of red flags

[arctic orchid]

If you guys want to know sketch I "work" for a full remote start up rn until I either get another offer or I finish my security clearance process with antoher place

[hollow flicker]

One of the SWEs interviewing me did not remember how to read binary numbers

[arctic orchid]

Also I forgot to mention I work for free

[hollow flicker]

and they asked me some bit flipping question and he was like wtf

[arctic orchid]

which sucks

[hollow flicker]

bro said "isnt it left to right"

[hollow flicker]

thats terrible yeah

but its remote so that is something kinda fun at least

just to do in the meantime (if you have living situation sorted obv)

[arctic orchid]

yeah its pretty good I get to just basically stat pad work on projects and learn shit

[hollow flicker]

id do free remote work atm dude

like fr

[arctic orchid]

the bad part is I have to make time todo odd jobs for beer money

[hollow flicker]

where i dont get ALCOHOL TESTED

if i accept this offer, im on probation now.

[arctic orchid]

and making time to leetcode is a burn plust applying to places

alchohol tested?

[hollow flicker]

no thats ass. I aint doing shit but leetcoding

[hollow flicker]

yes its a fucking machinery place so of courseeeee

[arctic orchid]

lol thats hilarious

[hollow flicker]

YES
LIKE IM ON PROBATION

that type of test

yeah ok thanks G

just had to list all the flags

im more than happy to be broke grinding LC for the next 4 months

woopsies i splipped up and had a beer

probably just fixing them alone which is WORSE

they said

engineers stay on site till its fixed so up to a month

basically i gotta run

THATS WHAT IM SAYING i swear i wish i took a pic of the inside of it

it was like going back in time

their laptops were like ancient thinkpads

and everything looked straight out the year 2000

LMFAO

they said sometimes they go overseas too

imagine being alone getting yelled at in asia for some code you didnt write

yeah fuck this fucking shit, id rather get a part time job at Starbucks and grind LC for 4 months

I KNOW

i was like is this an ME job??

and i kept asking them questions to only get these very roundabout responses

just felt like the SWEs didnt do shit

fucking hell bro thats horrible maybe i should take this it isnt that bad 😂 😂

yea id be driving if it was close ish

alone, cause obviously it makes sense for me, a new SWE, to go alone

did he have a base location??

ok i was like wtf

yeah i feel like this job will fuck me with travelling 30% of my time

thats so crazy lol

yeah thats kinda devastating lol

haha

see this is why i have a hard fucking time rejecting this offer

cause I know I had this great offer from WT for almost 6 figs so im like ew this sounds very boring and dead endy in comparison

but really people are getting fucked 2billion times harder

it just isnt about money for me rn which is privilege talking in some way, I just want experience that can actually get me into cooler companies

i almost wish this offer was more shit monetarily, 75k is more than enough for the COL

same yeah, if they were even able to outline the work to a greater degree id be more secure

it just sounds like a mech engineering job and a shitty one at that.

yeah

its absurd, there are.

yeah i hate it here

trying to get picked up and thought i had it all sorted basically this entire year

but willow tree sucks

the place I was hired at and supposed to start at

its not local

they delayed

indefinitely

for all NGs

in mid july

after saying EVERYTHING IS OKAAAY in june

so i wasted a ton of time just working on projects and doing less LC and NOT APPLYING

hurts the soul, i had to break a lease too 👍 YES YES

bro some people wer 1.5 weeks out from their dates

and theyre like hey yeah you guys aint coming in

like how does this happen at a pretty established place lmfao

well they got acquired by telus

so like

that is why, no idea how the decision came so late but yea

yeah and apparently telus has been in a "rough" spot

Do you know why they might claim that its just delayed

cause like i dont have any confidence that its JUST delayed

yeah they said they would update us quarterly and that the terms of our offers werent] changed hahaha

a month and 2 days

they had us all meet with some exec over zoom on the 20th

nope not yet

oh i am i just dont want to take something that is insanely shitty

im literally way more open to this other company because they could actually describe the work and software

In the phone screen

no lol there are so many companies

i have internship exper at an insurance management company which is shitty but not terrible i def learned stuff

ahaha yeah dude this place im interested in does saas for grand management solutions

which is nieche but sounds cool and they were able to describe what id be doing

[obsidian crater]

why ping

[hollow flicker]

they dont have anythign atm

[obsidian crater]

Shamrock only has data engineer

ngmi

[hollow flicker]

@lunar sonnet do you mind if i DM you the glass door to this machine place i want to get a second opinion

sent

[pine topaz]

@pulsar mural

[static quarry]

@static quarry

who pinged me

[pure mauve]

https://job.toutiao.com/s/iJSYwpv4

[static quarry]

its all in mandarin

and no US locations

oh nvm i see

[arctic orchid]

Was roblox OA automatic i didnt get one

[shut thistle]

are you SDE or Senior SDE at TikTok?

[halcyon topaz]

Roblox oa should be auto

[cloud zinc]

finished my interview with BETA Technologies. Felt super confused because it had nothing to do with the Test Equipment Software Engineer role

I even told the interviewer that I have no experience in Matlab, CAN Networking and C++. I was expecting to get canned early, but he went on about how I'd be a good fit in other areas of the company

At the end of the interview, he told me that he would pass my resume among the software team to find a better fit.

Hopefully good things will come from this 👀

[static quarry]

Thats weird

[halcyon topaz]

Applied to the Amazon internship as a may 23 grad and didn’t get auto rejected (yet)

Whichever one they posted

I said I could start at the earliest date

And end at the latest

Maybe idk

If it’s my only option why not

I already have about 9 months of experience

I just couldn’t keep working at the place I was sadly so now I’m looking for a new grad role

No funding

I see people getting rejected by Amazon and I haven’t heard anything yet

[hollow flicker]

i swear id be so paranoid to even wait more than 2 months now

[halcyon topaz]

I doubt they aren’t just gonna reject me

[hollow flicker]

Lol yeah obviously I'm just lamenting

About at will employment

Yeah same lol

Like idk what I'd do that isn't swe but sometimes I envy my friends who have normal routines doing boring shit

I just really like programming and I feel like I'm just starting to get good (read good as not-shitty)

I'm out here trying to improve to the nth degree, landing a job and then still getting fucked over

[dusty basin]

Ur living somewhere now

Are you dead

[hollow flicker]

Yeah dawg I'm just a shit programmer and I wanna improve but it's just so hard to actually utilize my time perfectly

I'm dead at my dad's house

[narrow harbor]

What makes you think you can't get your life started right now? I don't mean this in a rude way also, I'm just curious cause I also sometimes feel this way and I got a friend that does too

[hollow flicker]

Not having steady income

That isn't just a dead end

Ultimately the feeling of "you should be programming" will just eclipse all

Yeah literally same

I'm gonna get a regular job soon cuz I can't take the pure grind

I'm right there with you, I did uni late ish

Turning 24 on monday

I swear just doing some dumb shit will make me feel better. Waking up early to do leetcode is ok but waking up to do leetcode and then job search for hours with nothing else to break it up sucks

Lol does anyone else feel like they just made dog shit progress in programming until like 1.5 years in

[narrow harbor]

I wish my school had more actual programming classes, I know it's cs and cs != programming but still lol

[hollow flicker]

Mine had a lot and they didn't help me get better.

Internship did

[narrow harbor]

i just had two main programming classes and rest was theory

[hollow flicker]

And just exposure over time

Yeah idk I wish I just went to a better school for the name

I feel like I'm so ass still at sussing out leetcode problems. I can sometimes solve mediums ez it just depends lmfao

This is true but I think sometimes I just get confused and don't see how to apply a pattern

Like there was an easy question on the epic systems thing that confused me significantly, partially cause couldn't run code.

I feel this so fucking hard lol

[swift falcon]

who wants to rope?

3:45 no response

it's over

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-drown-drown-sink-gif-21546876

[hollow flicker]

same

[narrow harbor]

let's group rope

groupe

grope

lets grope each other

[autumn iris]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/451631560827994112/1084897907494354994/cuter_cat_story.gif

[cloud zinc]

Holy shit. MITRE's summer internship salary dropped from $65k to $43k

They're getting COOKED

[fallen fox]

[pine topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/remember-wagmi-gif-24067442

[fallen fox]

it's over for a lot of internationals like me

ngmi time to pack bags

[warm locust]

How to check if this is a verified company : vivoverse

https://www.Vivoverse.com

[pine topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/noah-neck-noah-beck-noah-beck-tiktok-gif-18881760

https://tenor.com/view/addisonre-brycehall-gif-19814330

@rain patio @adisonrae

[hollow flicker]

lets just become tik tokers

[pine topaz]

whats stoping u?

it funded me and my parents retirement accounts

[hollow flicker]

i just dont have the mindset

bruh i accidentally just said i was a veteran on an application im dead

never did that before

[wet jacinth]

fake it till you make it

tell them about your experience in the vietnam war

[jovial latch]

How's that fuckin work lmao

Beeg drop

[obsidian crater]

That was over 50 years ago

show up with grey hair and bad skin and a cane

[arctic orchid]

Why do that when theres discord!

jk definitely do it even if its more expensive

better to be broke in nicer area than rich in a shitty one

[jovial latch]

Yea definitely do that
I kinda fucked myself by getting used to a certain quality of life in the nyc area and I gotta get my salary up to a good amount to make it work lmao

Lifestyle creep I believe they call it

A lot of my paycheck goes to rent lol

Kinda scary

[hollow flicker]

i too am probably gonna move and get a shitty job while continuing to search soon

[halcyon topaz]

anyone do the roblox kaiju cats game

[arctic orchid]

Yeah NYC rent is crazy tho other places in the US you can find much cheaper rent

[hollow flicker]

I have 2 people to accompany me we could make rent ez

[fallen fox]

what if youre broke in a shitty area

like me

[hollow flicker]

i think rope

thats what im thinking atm

why i want to move

[jovial latch]

I ain't even in NYC I live across the river in Hoboken NJ

The whole areas just pricey though hehe

[hollow flicker]

SF kinda sucks idk

its ok

[arctic orchid]

Too expensive if you're not in tech

[hollow flicker]

i just wouldnt want to actually live there

its so expensive

[arctic orchid]

go to san diego

[hollow flicker]

just be homeless

[jovial latch]

Rn my salary will suffice but ah, gotta get something good in a year or two before capitalism catches up to me

[arctic orchid]

but tbh SF is worth it jsut having access to all the tech connects and events so maybe worth it

[jovial latch]

SF is kinda fuckin hell tbh

[arctic orchid]

I feel like theres a lot of young people but idk the statistics

[jovial latch]

Rent crisis, homelessness, all the fuckin weather problems in California to start

Car centric hell

That one's a big one fir me personally

The fact that no one exceot tech people can afford the bay area

That's definitely not sustainable

And it's not like it's gonna get better

Nice to visit I suppose, definitely not idea to live in

[arctic orchid]

honestly

[jovial latch]

Slidebean has a pretty good video on why the bay area is a modern dystopia

[arctic orchid]

if you get involved in the tech scene over there

its probably wayyyyy easier to find a job

for our career aspirations its probably the best city no doubt

[jovial latch]

SF tech culture can go fuck itself

[wary garnet]

I've lived in Cali for 3-4 months for an Internship and honestly like the car situation is annoying af. Like I get all the big tech people there can afford it. But if you don't make a certain amount of TC it's really really difficult to sustain.

Not to mention you are always gonna be surrounded by techie people(which is not exactly a bad thing, I just don't prefer my social circle being only from big tech)

[arctic orchid]

It literally impossible

to live wihtout a car in california

[swift falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/wheniwasolder-gif-20838458

[arctic orchid]

most people around me arent in tech so its nice to be around people with similar interests

[wary garnet]

Agreed. With a car though it's fun coz lot of places to visit around

[hollow flicker]

im so fucking sick of driving

[swift falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-sad-toy-story-woody-so-long-partner-gif-9797730

so long partners

see you on the other side

[wary garnet]

Bruh I swear the last Summer that I went there i was randomly walking around near my friend's apartment and out of nowhere the road ended on to a freeway. It's not walkable at all xD

[hollow flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/rope-primal-survivor-carrying-getting-ready-bunch-of-ropes-gif-19434444

[swift falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-depp-pirate-pirate-salute-salute-intergalactic-pirates-of-the-caribbean-gif-25016099

[wary garnet]

I'm kinda biased but I do like the walkability of nyc, however yeah rent situation is not ideal lol

[swift falcon]

imagine telling someone you’d get back to them by a certain day because you know they’ll be applying around and you don’t want to yank their chain

and then not telling them on the day you promised to leave then in limbo

[pine topaz]

why r u compring tokyo to a 3rd world country infrastructure

[hollow flicker]

well that LITERALLY happened to me today too

i dont think im rejected for sure tho cuz its a small company

either way im numb

how frequently do you guys revisit leetcode problems

i feel like i might be doing too soon for me

[arctic orchid]

its definitely important to revisit espicially if there good for reinforcing the core concept of whatever ds or algo your using

[hollow flicker]

yeah i do it a lot

what are the best problems for like easily overlooked patterns

im feeling more and more ok with graph problems

[abstract wadi]

I hate the questions graph questions which are modify dijkstra

https://leetcode.com/problems/cheapest-flights-within-k-stops/

https://leetcode.com/problems/number-of-ways-to-arrive-at-destination/

[swift falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/training-stomach-punch-ouch-pained-hit-gif-13566796

this is what I feel every time I think about it

[hollow flicker]

ooo thanks these are hard

im also looking for easy mediums that are really weird af

[hollow flicker]

me thinking about it rn. MAYBE THEYLL EMAIL US TOMORROW BRO CMON

[vital meteor]

Tiktok roblox today

[hollow flicker]

good thing i can only do graph problems

and tree problems

lost my ability to do any easy shit

like DUDE i am still so bad at realizing how to apply sliding windows in ANYTHING i swear to godddd

[fallen fox]

[narrow seal]

startup?

[hollow flicker]

oh i guess ill take my internship to the rope

no exact number, please waste your time applying!

[narrow seal]

these sort of jobs are the kind that require 20 years of experience from a 21 year old

[swift falcon]

God I fricken hope so

[hollow flicker]

just take it one minute at a time G itll work out

im still surprised Epic Systems OA had an easy graph problem on it

[paper python]

anyone took the Veeva OA? wonder how many questions do they have? is it tricky?

[hollow flicker]

VEEVE, no

I'll go apply

And then...

[vital meteor]

i think even expired goods can apply to roblox

[grizzled bronze]

veeva la viva!

[hollow flicker]

once im an expired good ill just go move to LA with all my friends and work in a bar

[narrow seal]

all your money gonna burn up so fast

[hollow flicker]

its ok

my friend works 2 days a week and makes rent

cuz he lives with 4 people

[narrow seal]

lmao

4 people

bruh

6 if its u and friend

[tardy geode]

how do i prep for a frontend swe interview ? i mean what all should i prep on specifically in JS

[hollow flicker]

nah nah id just go with 2 others

(my money would still be low, its low rn tho)

[river thorn]

closures, event loop, hard to tell without more info

[tardy geode]

what more info do you need

[hollow flicker]

where does one FIND front end swe interviews (joking)

[river thorn]

what kinda stack do they use

[hollow flicker]

i only see SENIOR NEEDS 1 BILLION YEARS IN REACT fr

[tardy geode]

ReactJS , GraphQL , Express , Node and Vanilla JS

[river thorn]

i guess they will also test u on react stuff, so study up on react.dev and learn the concepts well

[tardy geode]

gotcha

[river thorn]

context

useMemo and useCallback

etc. c:

[tardy geode]

noted

[hollow flicker]

A UWM recruiter reached out to me do you guys have any experience wit them

[tardy geode]

@river thorn can i DM you ?

[river thorn]

yeah

[hollow flicker]

even if uwm isnt great they better than nothing

Of life

?

i love that veeva only wants 2024 grads

thats so epic

thank you willowtree for revoking my offer when allllllll the new grad offers for 23 are out the window!

[obsidian crater]

can you become DoD slave?

[hollow flicker]

i could

ive been applying to some of that stuff

[obsidian crater]

nice

I'm so jelly

[hollow flicker]

oh yeah youre jelly

[obsidian crater]

of your passport yes

[hollow flicker]

oh fuck true yeah

im jealous of past me who thought i had everything sorted

[obsidian crater]

fair enough

willow tree did do you bad

[hollow flicker]

did me so so dirty mang

but everyones getting done bad, there are like 35 other NGs from there, some of which are definitely more fucked than me

https://tenor.com/view/suicide-noose-rope-sewercide-imdone-gif-24206679

but we all missed the fuckin bus it feels like

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[hollow flicker]

what is ngmi lol

ill make it g

ill just be working in a bar : ) ) )

[narrow seal]

ngmi more like Quant or ropemaxx

💯

[sullen hull]

I think it’s acronym for “not gonna make it”

The amount of acronyms i had to search from reading chats in this server

[wraith yew]

I think they know

anyways

how to into roblox?

job get?

they are the hiring

and am try to job get

[blazing oar]

https://www.google.com/about/careers/applications/jobs/results/101936747526398662-software-engineer?src=Online%2FLinkedIn%2Flinkedin_us&utm_source=linkedin&utm_medium=jobposting&utm_campaign=contract&q=Software Engineer&target_level=INTERN_AND_APPRENTICE&target_level=EARLY&page=2 maybe y’all aren’t expired yet

[grave hawk]

Is this new grad from google?

[blazing oar]

idk

[grave hawk]

There is no date too

[blazing oar]

Seems like something for the 23 grads

[grave hawk]

Why google do us like this

[blazing oar]

idk lol

[grave hawk]

You can apply for 3 roles in 30 days

So make sure you do that

[fresh mango]

anybody getting any HM calls, send tips?😪

[vital meteor]

Looks like an industry/experienced role

[blazing oar]

yea but 6 months of exp, some of you probably qualify

[arctic orchid]

I’m pretty sure apprentice means like boot camp

[blazing oar]

It asks for a bs

[vital meteor]

Thanks I'll msg my recruiter

[blazing oar]

Idk what it is lol

[arctic orchid]

Or like nontraditional background

[blazing oar]

Maybe? Just thought it would be relevant lol

[arctic orchid]

Does it ask for BS in CS?

[blazing oar]

Yea

[arctic orchid]

Ok wait nvm then good find

[blazing oar]

Actually also for CS adjacent so idk

[rain patio]

Is it newgrad or nah

[arctic orchid]

That’s basically google new grad then

[rain patio]

Imma ask a recruiter

[blazing oar]

Yea idk I’m 24’ so I’m not applying to that lol

[vital meteor]

Yea msg my recruiter, if I can use my hc to get in this I'll probably cry

[arctic orchid]

Become a DP engineer

You’ll pass all interviews

You’ll be fine jsut won’t qualify for quant lol

[willow sedge]

maybe i need to turn into a crystal girl in order to summon a job for myself at this point

[hollow flicker]

I'm gonna be a crystal guy soon

Gonna get into holistic medicine

Hmm same yeah

How do you actually git gud at DP is it literally just doing it for years

[halcyon topaz]

that google position is fire

[hollow flicker]

Unknown Google roles b like

Oh fr? Im literally just looking for a better way so

I'll look into that

Just discrete math broadly or what?

Mhm ill start studying for it rn

Lol

ok : (

[halcyon topaz]

anyone applying for that role?

theres a masters required one too omg

its like they made the posting just for me

[hollow flicker]

I did but don't worry I'm no competition

Just did it for shids

[halcyon topaz]

waiting for my referal to respond

never thought id see such a beautiful posting

[vital meteor]

referral didnt rly help me for G

first time i applied with referral i got ghosted, 2nd time w/o referral i got a response

[halcyon topaz]

doesnt hurt to have one

[vital meteor]

true

[halcyon topaz]

crazy tho i got a bs in physics and a masters in nuclear engineering in may 2023 but did a swe internship on the side and ive been dying seeing people requiring cs degrees or dec 23 and on grad dates

and google drops this

i thought it was doomed

[vital meteor]

wagmi

[swift falcon]

currently browsing r/cscareerquestions, big mistake, put me in a doom spiral

[signal jewel]

nuclear engg

[halcyon topaz]

im oppenheimer

[abstract wadi]

they all say or relevant quantitative degree

isnt physics more prestigous than cs

[halcyon topaz]

ya maybe

maybe the cscareers reddit is just getting to my head

everyone says non cs degree people shouldnt be hired or considered

[abstract wadi]

even this discord is really toxic

dont worry

Physics degree is for you

All most ppl know is some cs bc theyre anxious about job market

now you have the physics brain

[halcyon topaz]

ya ive always thought math physics and computer science were pretty similar

as far as thought process and problem solving goes pretty much identical

[abstract wadi]

i did math and i think that theyre really different

[halcyon topaz]

maybe physics is more similar since its applied

[swift falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/screwed-we-are-screwed-dunder-mifflin-the-office-office-gif-5800784

[abstract wadi]

the only thing that was similar was the one graph theory course I took

[halcyon topaz]

maybe not the course work or subject matter but id say the problem solving skills are the same

[abstract wadi]

Yeah thats definitely true

but i think u can get better at it just by doing pure cs

i feel like i can do math and cs but theyre orthogonal skills to each other

[halcyon topaz]

fundamentally math is using abstract variables that are assigned and defined by the writer and they are used to pull out information fom a system using derived functions and relationships

physics too

[abstract wadi]

oh yeah tbh i think phyiscs might be more helpful