2023_grads

[arctic orchid]

How did y’all do on optiver?

[grizzled bronze]

I didn't apply, they're not a fit for me

[shut thistle]

modern problems, require modern solutions

[rain patio]

Drw rejected me. Do they not hire international students?

[shut thistle]

dw abt it, they have like just 50-60 headcount

[lyric sparrow]

I was a 23 grad and got through for optiver, the assessment on the other hand 💀

[rain patio]

But they sponsor visas?

[shut thistle]

yes

Its

[arctic orchid]

I thought it was still worth a shot

[arctic orchid]

Very high Val move

I have pics from OA

[pine topaz]

can you help us build bulelt trains?

[wraith yew]

pls get me a ticket to one of those

I don't wanna be seen or heard from again 😍

[rancid owl]

Got a job offer today but salary is less than what i earn as a contractor. Any advice on what i should do

For context, i graduated this may and have been doing business analyst/developer contractor work for 2 weeks now. Today i got offered Associate software developer position on different company far away from home, LCOL but the salary is 10% less

[swift falcon]

what do you do as a business analyst vs the software dev position?

[rancid owl]

Thats the thing, i dont know what i'm supposed to do here at contractor job. it's been only 2 weeks. But right now, i'm working for Apple data center and use their filemaker tool. But during the hiring process they asked me about React, Javascript, SQL and spring

[manic wedge]

has anybody ever interviewed with MTA 💀

i was spam applying jobs a few months ago and they just emailed me, idek what they ask

[swift falcon]

idk bro Id do whatever is going to give you actually transferable skills but that’s just me

coz rn experience is valuable for when the market heats up right?

idk

[rain patio]

Mommy?

[meager wharf]

quick question, if you are a dec 2023 grad are you a 2024 new grad or a 2023 new grad?

[obsidian crater]

2024

[meager wharf]

can you still apply for 2023 new grad positions?

yes

[obsidian crater]

https://tenor.com/view/china-bu-bu-gao-erdio-gif-22121836

👮 🚔

[rain patio]

I’m Dec 23 and I’ve been applying to both 23 and 24 positions (usually get rejected for 23 but worth a shot)

[fallen fox]

gonna go watch talk to me and stop dooming for 3 hours

[obsidian crater]

3 hours?

impressive, more impressie than Nvidia or Sofi

[meager wharf]

ok thank you just wondering

i have to take an extra semester due to shit advising

[obsidian crater]

understandable

[meager wharf]

not 2023 btw just wondering

[obsidian crater]

Sending OA

[meager wharf]

im 2025

[fallen fox]

🚿 🧼 😶‍🌫️

👀

[obsidian crater]

We should make our own startup

So that we can be the ones laying people off and rescinding

[meager wharf]

hopefully

[obsidian crater]

Expired AI - We make your jobs expire by AI

lol

[solemn spire]

Ahh you a 2023, we 2022 bro

Idk whos we but I am

[obsidian crater]

haha

[hardy relic]

is this true?

i thought most 2023 grads can apply to 2024. ik it’s company dependent, but aren’t most companies looking for grads who graduated <1 year ago

[obsidian crater]

Gabagool factory job

[solemn spire]

bro i just apply to whatever i see

[narrow harbor]

apply everywhere that is related to software, looks entry level, and doesnt have a specific grad date requirement

[crystal barn]

Anyone having luck in 2023?

[autumn iris]

[pulsar mural]

:HimariSmug:

[autumn iris]

[autumn iris]

go back 2 leetcoding

[tardy geode]

hello

2022 grads also waiting for 2024

the amount of applications for ng 2024 will be insane

wtf is this . this role at spotify was posted today

do they keeping reposting shit ?

[tardy geode]

Entry level and 12+ years of exp

god save this economy

[bold pier]

Guys, stop applying to jobs!!
One week I took a break from applying I got 3 recruiter reach out by themselves

[bold pier]

Not really a break but more like I'd given up

[rain patio]

I’m about to apply for CEO

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[tacit grove]

its really messed up...they need to fix the algo

[split igloo]

Target school with sick as internship or projects

And not intl. Students ig

I mean ur international

No matter how awesome u r, being intl. insta left swipe bro

Faster than tinder chicks swipes left bro

Big n aint hiring unless u r in AI domaim

Naj

Nay

But got a job

And now I am working on my dating game

Imma in nyc

Oh its startup but they spomsor

But I am not betting on that

Try to meetup with girl

Better than lottrru

Nah

I am not from either of those

[trail tundra]

No they don't

this will sound stupid but China CCP culture and values really speak to me

[arctic orchid]

Bro what hella naw

I want a life

[shut crescent]

why bold

[arctic orchid]

Also you hella doxed yourself @median thistle

Like zero effort to John smith that res 😂

Did you put fake info?

I call you rn

[trail tundra]

💀

Do it no balls

[arctic orchid]

I didn’t go thru

[trail tundra]

[arctic orchid]

What’s the country extension

To china

Is it actually

[trail tundra]

Why not Google it

[arctic orchid]

I got some Asian lady in voicemail 🥲

[trail tundra]

[arctic orchid]

@lunar sonnet I have a question about containers

Let’s say I have a PY script right

[trail tundra]

Mhm

[arctic orchid]

With arguments that are going to vary

And I want these scripts to run like in parallel

Would this be a good application of containers

I have webscraper.py username password

[trail tundra]

I think he means he wants to run multiple scripts with different args at once

?

[arctic orchid]

Same script

[trail tundra]

yeah

[arctic orchid]

But just varying

[trail tundra]

Multiple of that same script

Varying args ?

[arctic orchid]

Different args tho

Because I want my linkedln scraper to have users to login with

Is this a practical usage

Or should scale up differently?

Ok I see

Yeah I would have write to the cloud

Like an S3 bucket or something

I’m going to have other arguments in the py script

To help descern naming conventions

Mhm mhm

Ok I’m going to deep dive rn

Ty for the tips

But yeah i wanted to run it on a container because of all the dependencies I would have to install

To run my webscraper

I thought it might be possible to scale it up this way

I have it running locally

But I want to automate things further

Have it write to the cloud

Or database

Yeah that’s what I was thinking

I’m tired of running stuff locally tho

I’m trying to get better of automating further

Right

With a. Cronin

Cronjob

That’s an idea too

The problem is all the dependencies

And like

Varying arguments

But I would need to like install a bunch of other crap

Like chrom

And set paths

Yes chrome driver

I mean

Like all that crap

Makes automating so much more tedious

Yeah forsure

I was thinking containerizing this process might help automate stuff and get all that bs installed

Yeah that’s main goal

Stuff also just gets so much more messy locally

Just keeping track of files

It’s never worth it in my opinion

Plus in a production environment I feel like it’s not as realistic?

Ok we’ll I’m going to give this a try

Ty sir 🙏🙏

[tardy geode]

meta is sus af

so a position that i asked referral for showed 2+ years of exp , but when the guy referred me and went on the referral portal to add the job it showed 7+ years of exp

WTF is happening

[fair epoch]

if we want to apply coursera intern do we need to apply in Rise site ?

is it the legit one ?

[shut crescent]

yup that happened to me too LOL

[solemn spire]

Anyone bagged offer this week

[autumn iris]

dont u have

0 exp

[fallen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-jump-death-suicidal-tendencies-toon-gif-25601212

[raw plank]

Diving into all the money I’ve made since graduating

[grizzled bronze]

Relaxing dive after a great week at Conduent

[swift falcon]

september?

what is that?

[narrow harbor]

wait whos Sue

oh fuck nvrmd

i just realized

[swift falcon]

bruh i stg me not having a better job is causing marital strife fr

i want to chill on weekends

[grizzled bronze]

What work is she doing that's only making $36 during the weekend?

[pine topaz]

I cna comfort her

[swift falcon]

she billing like 2 hrs, but dragging the actual work out to like, 8

[swift falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-press-la-noire-gif-18717264

like honestly I hate the weekends because no job offers, but hate it not being weekend because otherwise I gotta work at my non SWE job

im even on call this weekend which makes it worse

smh

[grizzled bronze]

It's August next week, hang in there

[tardy geode]

[swift falcon]

id literally do 24/7 on call for like a month at a time if I could have a SWE job

[signal jewel]

doesnt mean aug 1 is some kind of trigger.

but companies will eventually realise to post job openings because its aug already

[solemn kite]

i made a Google Form to try to get some data about application/interview ratios, and whether being ex-FAANG increases your chances of getting an interview! Here it is: https://forms.gle/MzW3rUyfhpqYi9Rr8 !

I thought it'd be interesting to see stats on what helps/what hinders people get interviews

I'm open to suggestions for any more questions it should include/general improvements.

[swift falcon]

like even writing like the 2 functions/30 LoC that I do get to write at my job, is like a breath of fresh air

[bold pier]

Friends, is second Masters good idea for international? Is it too late to apply for one?

[obsidian crater]

you do

you get 2 stem extensions lifetime

[solemn kite]

don't you only get 2 extensions if you do 1st masters -> opt -> stem extension -> 2nd masetrs -> 2nd opt -> 2nd stem extension and not 1st masters -> 2nd masters (without opt)->opt ?

[obsidian crater]

yes

I guess if Will does a PhD

You get OPT

During 2nd master's

You can get OPT for every degree, it's just 2 lifetime stem extensions

https://iso.mit.edu/knowledge-base/i-completed-a-previous-masters-degree-in-f-1-status-in-the-u-s-but-did-not-apply-for-and-have-approved-opt-based-on-that-degree-would-i-be-eligible-for-opt-during-after-completion-of-a-s/

you are correct

so rip Will O(n)

yeah lmao

but if you want it so badly

HFT

https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=drw+holdings+llc&job=&city=&year=all+years

They do sponsor

[bold pier]

Thanks for the debate guys, I'm now more confused

Yeah

[abstract wadi]

Damn so masters really doesn't help

[bold pier]

Masters helps to get OPT

[abstract wadi]

whats opt

[bold pier]

Yeah, I've had a few calls but got rejected after screening probably coz sponsorship

Not that my resume is bad, I did get a call back from Google before they went full freeze

[obsidian crater]

Bad year to be intl

Only firms really hiring are Quants or defense for a large part of this year

[abstract wadi]

but isn't it becuase new grad jobs haven't come out yet?

[obsidian crater]

no

during 2023 season most stuff froze by Sept/Oct

A lot of people I know got defense jobs

[abstract wadi]

ok so 2023 season isn't that when the mass layoffs happened?

[obsidian crater]

yeah

[abstract wadi]

shouldn't it be better this season?

[obsidian crater]

no

there's no guarantee companies will grow and need more employees

Amazon is hiring, but only SWE2 level

The only OAs out so far are quant firms

How

[halcyon topaz]

do you guys know how to see what different teams there are for google?

[obsidian crater]

How do you get resume rejected with Nvidia + SoFi wtf

[halcyon topaz]

connection i have there who is non technical told me that they want to get me in touch with a hiring manager for a team i would prefer

[humble juniper]

does drw insta reject may 23 and before grads

[obsidian crater]

maybe

[rain patio]

I think Amazon posted around end of July prior years?

[obsidian crater]

everything is

[pine topaz]

august is where its at

[grizzled bronze]

it's just you

[pine topaz]

ders gonna be massive jobs at august

[humble juniper]

is that true tho

[pine topaz]

if august is dry we can offiicaly rope

22 n 24 grads will be applying for 25 grad pipeline

[grizzled bronze]

yes, try harder

[obsidian crater]

TikTok is 996

[grizzled bronze]

don't forget about September

[shut thistle]

at this moment, I am up for doing 12127

[pine topaz]

rate cuts will happen at august and jobs qill be boomih

software is part of our lives we need SWEs!!!

[shut thistle]

24247

[obsidian crater]

I'd do 12127 for 200k tc

IB life

[abstract wadi]

ok realistically whos trying to hire 8 months in advance

I think that the postings for new grads will definitely just happen throughout the fall and we shouldn't worry

Also were over the worst of it

feels bad

[rain patio]

I’m so scared

[abstract wadi]

i dont think thats the case

many people at target schools do research for more prestigous things instead of grind internships

and theres a ton at avg schools who have great internships if they optimize for that

what ive notcied is that with high probability the cracked people pass interviews

and there are so amny mediocre students at top schools bc they are in it for the money

only bar for top school entry is hs performance

[obsidian crater]

@median thistle what's TC as Sofi intern?

$18/hr?

🥜 = 🧢

true but you're intern

not bad for intern

you sound like one of those

200K tc is mid

$8K a month is more than most Americans will make ever

true

[fallen fox]

[autumn iris]

[autumn iris]

theres

not that many people who actually do research

most CS labs don't really take undergrads

if its an established lab, usually like 10+ people, there might be 2-3 undergrads

but the majority of them r pretty hard to get into

[abstract wadi]

they definitely do! Many of my peers have done it

[autumn iris]

they do, but its a very small amount

[abstract wadi]

i think most ppl in my program did undergrad research

[autumn iris]

unless ur talking about research projects

then thats different

but most people don't really get into labs, its very competitive

if ur doing engineering/ any hard science, then theirs usually more undergrads

but most CS/CSE/ML labs r very hard to get into

[tardy geode]

wtf

[rain patio]

those have to be bots

[swift falcon]

@gentle peak whats the countdown for?

what happens sep 1st?

[autumn iris]

i think august 21st-30th is when it starts opening

usually mid sept though cause thats when

companies do career fair stuff

at least for NGs

our CS career fair is on sept 14th

[swift falcon]

gotcha same

[swift falcon]

mines around that too

i mean for my uni I just graduated from

[autumn iris]

[grizzled bronze]

Dark mode

just apply to whichever one pops up, some of them are gonna be understanding and lenient about grad date

[fallen fox]

this time last year NG was in full swing

🪢

[rain patio]

yo can one of yall pick a # from 1-4 rq plz

[grizzled bronze]

they sure jumped the gun last year, August is next week though

[rain patio]

just tuesday

3 days left

[swift falcon]

2

[grizzled bronze]

4

[autumn iris]

[grizzled bronze]

Some places have earlier starts, ex. JP Morgan and Capital One both allow Feb start

[tardy geode]

one of my friend joined conduent , is it that shitty shady company ?

[grizzled bronze]

Nice, congrats to your friend!

it's FAANG tier

[tardy geode]

💀

after this i was like "oh well"

[grizzled bronze]

Nice! What role?

[hidden scaffold]

Whats wrong with conduent?

[tardy geode]

data analyst or something

[tardy geode]

everything

[rain patio]

Is coudnent hiring bruh I might have to join

[tardy geode]

[grizzled bronze]

yes they have early career roles up https://conduent.phenompro.com/us/en/search-results?rk=l-early-career-development-program-2023&sortBy=Most relevant

[hidden scaffold]

Woah they got remote early career positions

I might have to apply to them later

[vital meteor]

Remote

[obsidian crater]

conduent ghosts me

🪢

[north sand]

Is it jsut me or are the postings very very dry

Hopefully, it picks up in August

Or I might be left stranded w/o a job

I'm considered a 2023 grad if I graduate in December 2023, right? Even tho it's the 2023-2024 school year?

[obsidian crater]

2024 grad

[raw plank]

What’s in 34 days

[north sand]

Thanks

https://jobs.ashbyhq.com/ramp/6ddcd218-c384-4559-b697-64b32cf3f9a8/application?utm_source=Simplify is this coding project worth it lmao

[wispy mason]

How long does it take to get a reply from conduent? Is everyone getting one?

[grizzled bronze]

I applied and never heard back

I'm assuming the recruiters are on vacay and I'll hear back anytime soon

[fallen fox]

conduent ghosts internal candidates

🪢

their remote pay is 104k i want that fucking job

[wispy mason]

But will they reply fs 😭

I don't have anything. Wanna die and I'm tired omg

I think it's the only company hiring new grads lmao

[grizzled bronze]

the next FAANG

[wispy mason]

Wait what really?

[humble juniper]

does it look bad if u work at conduent

oh lmfao

so its like the fast food/retail job of swe

[grizzled bronze]

As an up-and-coming FAANG company, Conduent has been making significant strides in the tech industry, positioning itself as a rising star among the established giants. Leveraging its expertise in business process services and technology-driven solutions, Conduent has shown promising potential in disrupting traditional industries and redefining how businesses operate.

With a strong focus on innovation, Conduent has introduced cutting-edge technologies that have caught the attention of investors and industry experts alike. Its ability to streamline processes, improve customer experiences, and harness data-driven insights has garnered praise, leading to substantial growth in market capitalization and attracting a new wave of interest from the tech community.

Conduent's expansion into various sectors, including healthcare, transportation, finance, and public services, has demonstrated its versatility and adaptability as a company. By diversifying its offerings and continuously pushing the boundaries of technological advancements, Conduent is well-positioned to compete with the traditional FAANG companies in terms of impact and influence.

Moreover, Conduent's visionary leadership and commitment to providing top-notch services have contributed to its up-and-coming status within the tech industry. As it continues to evolve and forge strategic partnerships with other major players, the company's potential to become a prominent member of the FAANG group cannot be overlooked.

[obsidian crater]

Conduent is a new meta

[humble juniper]

bro typed up the new testament

[obsidian crater]

It's part of CAANG

[tardy geode]

bruh

[obsidian crater]

The best performing and innovative tech corps

[tardy geode]

conduent is the mcdonalds of google

[fallen fox]

imma go watch nuclear man you guys have fun ❤️

[crystal steppe]

Does anyone have an idea if the hiring freeze will stop for this august?

[abstract wadi]

No one knows... everyone wants to know the answer to this question!

[crystal steppe]

we're all in this together !

[tacit grove]

in general or for a specific company?

[autumn iris]

layoffs/freezes kinda stopped

its mainly if companies are looking to reexpand teams/positions

[crystal steppe]

Since, most tech companies were able to beat their estimated earnings I don't see why they won't expand...especially since now the race for AI is the most triggered topic around.

[autumn iris]

AI means nothing

if ur a phd/ masters with research then sure

its not gunna affect normal SWE positions

[tacit grove]

but I'm not seeing roles for 0-2 yoe...just senior level positions. Have you noticed any ones in specific that have opened their roles?

[autumn iris]

idk im learning MLE sht atm

its defo not entry lvl, u need experience in it

the hard part is trying to deploy models and messing around with dependencies,etc

[tacit grove]

do you think things will open up in the next month?

[crystal steppe]

I'm as clueless as you, mate.

[autumn iris]

i'm pretty sure NG cycle is starting in early sept

unless no companies is coming to the career fair

[tacit grove]

hiring freeze has def stopped but not seeing openings for 0-2 yoe people

[crystal steppe]

Totally agree, but they're still can be new technical/software jobs that can be created because of it (like cloud, web applications, mobile for AI), etc..

[autumn iris]

reqirement: phd in CS

400k in debt

idk, i was on path for dental/med

and left it

grass is greener

need 3.8 gpa+ insane hours+ tons of volunteer/leadership positions to get in

and it happened during covid

[crystal steppe]

Speaking of which, wouldn't they prioritize previous interns that were told that they won't get return offers for new grad positions than new applicants?

[autumn iris]

covid made it so people literally left the healthcare field

nope, theres still a sht ton

the issue with medical schools is that they will never increase the number of seats

like they only accept 100 students/year regardless of applicants

[crystal steppe]

new grads?

[autumn iris]

if ur talking about MD

then no

DO then maybe

the hard part is getting in, so unless ur undergrad was super cracked

then sure

but even then, grass is greener

[obsidian crater]

should've become a doctah

[autumn iris]

everythings a risk

theres only 155 MD schools in the US, and most only accept 75-125ish seats

then take into account every single person who majored in science

yeah, idk its bad

[jaunty basalt]

med school insane to get into

dont matter about how good the school is

thats why ppl go carribean

[autumn iris]

[jaunty basalt]

like imagine leaving country like bro

[grizzled bronze]

oh we don't need to imagine it

[autumn iris]

[rain patio]

If MD doesn’t work you can also do DO

I know a lot of ppl who went from cs degree to med school

[autumn iris]

idk i feel like

the effort to get into medical school, unless u really want to

u can just spend that much time n gitgud

[rain patio]

I agree

Not worth studying for MCAT and taking extra debt

[abstract wadi]

You just need to learn enough to score on the mcat and take required courses like org chem

They actually simp for math/eng majors if u can also ace the mcat

[autumn iris]

u also need a strong background

[abstract wadi]

I know someone who did mec eng then became a heart surgeon

[autumn iris]

lots of extracullicars, volunteering,etc

but also those guys would have done just fine if they stayed in engineering/CS anyways

med school is no joke

[abstract wadi]

@autumn iris wyd ur grad degree in

[autumn iris]

[abstract wadi]

Oh damn

What techniques do u use for that

[autumn iris]

i dont do anything bio related

[abstract wadi]

Has that been engulfed by deep learning too

[autumn iris]

uh

kinda

[elder forum]

They tried to do that with covid but it didn’t work out

[autumn iris]

yeah

well its still part of bioinfomatics

deep learning is just one aspect of it

[abstract wadi]

Is it more statistical or like algorithms based?

[autumn iris]

both

theres 2 types of people, one who build the algos/models etc for other bio people

or the bio people who use other CS people stuff

[abstract wadi]

Is it something that mainly exists i in an academic setting?

[autumn iris]

no

if it has to do something with drug discovery

its prob bioinformatics

aka lots of biotech companies

[abstract wadi]

Interesting

[autumn iris]

[obsidian crater]

druggies

[shut thistle]

yes using bfs

[bold pier]

🪢

[rain patio]

yup

anyone wanna detail their job applying process?
for me I mainly look @ linkedin,indeed, and handshake for stuff within 100 miles of me and remote

[grizzled bronze]

Same, but I don't put any restriction on location

[rain patio]

I'm thinking about removing that restriction. Initially I didn't want to incase i had to relocate but it's getting into desperate territory now

[abstract wadi]

I’m planning to go relocate anywhere for a first job

Even stay in Canada

[rain patio]

it just irks me how linkedin can have 1000 results but only show you a maximum of 40 pages

[abstract wadi]

It’s really bad if you get fired from google and own a house next to google hq I think most of us are actually fortunate to spend some time in a random state for a bit

[rain patio]

that's a nice way to think about it

[abstract wadi]

I watch the primagen as I’m sure most of us do too, and he worked for a trash company for 1 year than another slightly better for 2 before landing Netflix

[pine topaz]

nahh dont. ull be paying 1.5k in rent juat to have a 50k wage which gets taxed to 30k

[abstract wadi]

Doesn’t matter realistically I won’t keep much money from my first job anyways

And I’m lucky to have Canadian work visa so I get a second country of potential opportunities

[rain patio]

student loans: allow us to introduce ourselves

I'm definitely going to make the effort to be more open minded when it comes to location. it'd probably be an extra 2 hours a day but whatever

[abstract wadi]

2 hours meaning commute?

[rain patio]

nah, 2 hours a day staring at linkedin

[autumn iris]

Did u already graduate

[rain patio]

yeah a few months ago

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[solemn spire]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-rafa-lisa-the-simpsons-gif-14878429

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-sitting-in-rain-sad-pain-is-everywhere-gif-21677897

[humble juniper]

is there an estimate of how many dec 22/may 23 cs grads from like t15ish schools that are still unemployed

[abstract wadi]

were you applying throughout last year?

[rain patio]

not nearly as much

[abstract wadi]

how did the job boards look? more promising then than now?

[rain patio]

well i'm applying more but i'm also getting aaaallloottt more 'we went with another canidate' no interview or anything

[swift falcon]

jus a lil bit

[raw plank]

They probably have jobs

Lots of people flew over this completely

[solemn kite]

i made a form that (if enough people fill) will give us a little bit of an idea about this! https://forms.gle/aATqdkj3z55Nwh7HA

[humble juniper]

hey thats dope are u planning on showing results if enough ppl fill it?

[humble juniper]

yeah cuz like i am one of those ppl and i just feel so miserable and it would make me feel a little better if i knew ppl were in the same boat as i was

[neon perch]

When did you graduate?

[humble juniper]

i grad dec 22 but im putting may 23 on my resume

[neon perch]

I’m also Dec 22

[humble juniper]

t15?

[neon perch]

T30 and 4 internships

[humble juniper]

dayum

i only hsve 1 at like a random one

[abstract wadi]

Have you been getting interviews?

And did you apply during your final year?

[solemn kite]

Yeah, i am! You can see a results summary at the end of the form as well, but i will organize it better if enough people fill it.

[neon perch]

I was getting a few in my last sem after that I didn’t get a single call from March

[neon perch]

Yes

[abstract wadi]

Sounds like hiring freeze affected the callbacks during that time

[fallen fox]

background check?

[autumn iris]

Depends on a lot of stuff

i feel like if u have at least 1 internship, resume not sht, and u dont need visa

Im sure u got some sort of interview

Most people ik who did get offers though got them around sept last yr

So it was kinda be4 layoff

[valid flame]

at least 1 (me)

[humble juniper]

like top 15 cs school

[valid flame]

ucla

so more like t20 if u wanna be picky

[autumn iris]

[autumn iris]

if ur at these type of schools it be easier if u gave a name

also do u need sponsership

Idk what t15 are, i mainly know the schools right under t4

[obsidian crater]

ngmi

[fallen fox]

bottom 15 cs school does that count

[ornate cliff]

Hello fellow jobless ppl

[grizzled bronze]

thought you got a job selling Chromebooks

[ornate cliff]

[arctic orchid]

Doctors have the worst work life balance also medical school is very very hard to get into these days

The grass isn’t always greener

Healthcare has some of the highest burnout rates

[raw plank]

Facts, lucky we’re in cs

[arctic orchid]

Most my family is in healthcare

[raw plank]

Can’t burnout if you never start

Jk but still facts

[severe pendant]

Omg fellow bruins.

[narrow harbor]

I have faith in you that you'll secure a job

[grizzled bronze]

are they disappointed in you

[arctic orchid]

Yes but your mom wasn’t disappointed last night 😉

[regal violet]

How hard is it to get a remote job?

cause I've tried and it feels impossible.

[grizzled bronze]

Very, apply to remote but forget about it

[regal violet]

lol

[rain patio]

@grizzled bronze why is conduent ghosting me

[grizzled bronze]

Same reason they're ghosting me

remote jobs are super competitive

[tardy geode]

everything got fked after dec 2022

[neon perch]

Totally man, it’s been awful ever since 2023 started

[tardy geode]

before nov 2022 there were oas interviews etc

[tardy geode]

on a scale of 1 to 100 . 10000

[narrow harbor]

bro wtf I was taking a proctored exam for a job

and i accidentally clicked submit exam at the start of my exam

im fucking stupid

[tardy geode]

imo tech is gone

this shits gonna take years to clear

its gonna be shit competitive until 2-3 years

due to layoffs , scarcity of jobs etc

feds are on cocaine increasing rates , generating fear amongst employers investors etc

bruh

[regal violet]

https://tenor.com/view/jump-out-window-suicide-quit-gif-14954656

[tardy geode]

well i have a friend who has goog and appl internship on his resume . He is struggling to get something

let that sink in

goog and appl fkd him by not giving rto

no

[obsidian crater]

make yourself competitive is a meme

[regal violet]

2-3 years!? wow

[obsidian crater]

the only way to do that is get years of experience

[tardy geode]

well 2-3 yoe ain't getting shit too tbh

5+ people getting interviews is what i see

its an employers market

[regal violet]

So then what do we do? McDonalds?

[tardy geode]

yeah

if not that then wendy's

[regal violet]

[tardy geode]

what if they also require 2-3 YOE

[regal violet]

at that point, Imma dive

[tardy geode]

Ex-Staff SWE @ Meta -> Staff-Patty maker

[tardy geode]

bruh imagine mcdonalds having layoffs

that would be the death of economy officially

[regal violet]

Do franchises have layoffs? lol

[tardy geode]

well they don't put more people on shifts

so that they can minimize costs

so theres a mcdonalds near my place that has only 4 people who are managing both drive thru and counter orders

and its pretty busy in the evening

[regal violet]

Maybe you can join and share the load

[bold pier]

Would you like fries with that?

[autumn iris]

[pulsar mural]

:worry:

[solemn kite]

i'd take it tbh. if they don't switch you after 6 months, you can leave. it's not too short a period of time at a company

[grizzled bronze]

bro, you got a job you have nothing to worry about

other than the Arizona heat

[solemn kite]

i applied for opt back in May and it still hasn't been approved. If I get an offer before it's approved, do I still have the option to pay for Premium processing? Wouldn't want to lose out in case a company wants an ASAP start

[tardy geode]

this .

[tardy geode]

yeah you can do premium processing

[pulsar mural]

st

stop

[tardy geode]

[solemn kite]

oh ok good

thanks

[tardy geode]

@pulsar mural

@pulsar mural

[pulsar mural]

yo

yo

stop

[rain patio]

Amazon sending "no headcount" emails to the earliest batch of interns who completed fml

[signal jewel]

fcuk

[tardy geode]

you mean people who completed their internship in august 2022 , got their offers delayed to dec 2023?

[rain patio]

Those who completed in July 21st are getting these emails, they probly started their Summer internship in late april / early may

Even one of the interns who completed early from my org got that email, so I know I'm fucked

[tardy geode]

well , start applying

[rain patio]

I mean I apply no matter what, doesn't mean I get interviews

Yeah, and I know this is legit because another intern on my team got the same thing

No I wouldn't expect anything

Definitely not if they aren't even hiring interns

[pine topaz]

august is dead

septermber is wen jobs are booming

[rain patio]

I guess the ones who graduated May 23 are the luckiest they got the last hires

[pine topaz]

we will be epxired goods by then

[fallen fox]

💀💀💀

[signal jewel]

wdym?

[neon perch]

https://discord.com/channels/698366411864670250/1135353086412591255

[autumn iris]

[pine topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/whats-up-gif-meme-toy-story-whats-good-buzz-lightyear-gif-26344526

[rain patio]

damm

[wispy mason]

Howww???? There's so many unemployed may 23 grads

[rain patio]

Hmm I meant more in terms of intern conversions I guess

[wispy mason]

No def not. I think may grads were the most effective.

Effected*

Most conversions didn't even happen :/ for may 23

[obsidian crater]

I'm NGMI

Looking for rope

honestly give up at this point

no point in trying anymore

[fallen fox]

2024 will be the best year of my life

you all just graduated

only the gigachads who graduated < december 2022 should think about roping

[obsidian crater]

no

I am finna

find

[tacit oak]

I’m feeling really sad and just frustrated. New grads like me are getting at least a few interviews or just positive responses, some with no internships, but I’m not getting any interviews or screens. Just getting ghosted or rejections. I posted my resume in this channel recently and someone said it’s fine and there’s nothing to really change. But that user suddenly deleted that comment and I haven’t gotten any comment on it ever since. So I’m thinking my resume is fine but I can’t figure why I’m not getting anything. Am I just unlucky? Or what should I do to get interviews?

[main condor]

inshallah

[grizzled bronze]

bullshit, you're not even close to being expired

you got nvidia + snowflake + sofi

[grizzled bronze]

your resume looks good, the market is just bad and no one is really receiving any interviews because recruiting hasn't started yet for new grad

August and September is when more companies start posting

[abstract wadi]

Nothing is out rn don’t worry

[rain patio]

Link resume

[grizzled bronze]

statistically there's 87% chances you get either Snowflake or SoFi FT return offer

[grizzled bronze]

they barely hire any new grads, but we can dream

[wispy mason]

hey guys can you review my resume

#1135379777965006868 message

[pine topaz]

guys sotp dooing

its not even august yet

its literaly still july

[split igloo]

time to archive 2023_grads, 2024 grads succeeding dooming

[wispy mason]

.................... would really appreciate it. Genuinely any help is appreciated.

[fallen fox]

you should post a screenshot

[wispy mason]

oh

pleasee review resume: #1135384175990538290 message

I put it at the top because i dont have experience so i thought it would be better, would you suggest moving it?

[bold pier]

What's the depression helpline

That's the number of rejections I've received

[wispy mason]

yes makes sense. Thank you!

[autumn iris]

its doomed

[vital meteor]

[autumn iris]

tech is dead, noone will ever hire ever again

[rain patio]

whats the deal with ng jobs anyways

[night marsh]

It is very tough right now. It's true when people say "it's not you, it's this market" because the market is picking up but companies are tightening on their HC

Also Chrissy what are you doing here

[night marsh]

Too many NG, not enough jobs to go around

[rain patio]

i dont have a good resume, im not fucked for may 2024 am I?

How much time do I realistically have to prepare one

[crystal steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/sopranos-drink-drinking-whiskey-gif-8759005

[solemn kite]

i gave some feedback on you resume thread btw

[night marsh]

Nosa Arc?

*Noah's

Yeah, and nothin did

so what?

[cloud zinc]

one must imagine Sisyphus happy

ngl it's helping me cope with unemployment

[swift falcon]

yeah and nothing did, so what

[grizzled bronze]

you got a wife though, that's a big deal

August be like

https://tenor.com/view/shaquille-o-neal-cat-shake-shaking-wiggle-gif-4628548

[rain patio]

so...has anyone here gotten a job?

i still haven't lol

[neon perch]

Everyone here is making bank

[rain patio]

I had my offer rescinded a month before graduation (I'm a May 2023 grad). Can't even get interviews now

I feel like I missed the metaphorical train for getting into software

[bold pier]

[rain patio]

I'm trying to teach myself web dev because it seems like there are more web developer jobs than anything else. I took 1 web dev class my freshman year of college, and I kind of forgot everything I learned lol

[pine topaz]

hi @rain patio

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/chin-gif-18094339

[marble ivy]

just learn java spring and apply to insurance + banks

[neon perch]

Fkin faang

[wispy mason]

Guys does html, css come under programming languages in the resume.

Because they technically aren't programming languages right

[swift falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/john-travolta-confused-gif-18637110

[vital meteor]

It's only up from here right

[swift falcon]

i remember thinking me having a masters (i wrote a thesis) would make me competitive (instead I lose out to a nanny turned software developer bootcamper with 6 mos experience)

sometimes you just gotta laugh at the ridiculousnesses of the situation

[swift falcon]

what happened to ur current IT job

[rain patio]

Oh I'm still working there, but it doesn't count as a SWE job 😭

[swift falcon]

oh, hows that goin tho

[rain patio]

it's ok i guess. Kinda boring

[grizzled bronze]

I didn't get past the first round for a remote SWE role, just noticed the company extended offers to two bootcampers

To be fair the role did encourage non-traditional candidates to apply and they had experience with a lot of the relevant technologies they were looking for

Some bootcampers are cracked

Then I'd have to explain my internships

[rain patio]

That feel when you wake up in the morning and all the feelings of failure because you can't get a job come rushing back:

https://tenor.com/view/tyler1rage-tyler1-loltyler1-league-of-legends-lol-gif-17905699

[grizzled bronze]

I don't want people identifying who was hired so I'll keep it a secret. Pay was low anyway so it's a blessing I got rejected.

[grizzled bronze]

it's not you, it's the market

August is coming though, hang in there

this server is fake news, I don't support it

[shut thistle]

wagmi

[shrewd ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/wagmi-gif-24204847

[valid flame]

i group html/css/js together

cuz it at least lets em know u know some frontend

[valid flame]

studying computer archetecture and assembly in college while a girl on tiktok who took a 3 month python bootcamp is making 6 figs

[shut thistle]

change to wagmi

[wispy mason]

Where are you guys applying to IT Jobs?

[shut thistle]

nice username

[wispy mason]

I like yours more 😂

I genuinely thought I sent the message when I first read it

[signal jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/game-of-thrones-ready-lets-do-this-jon-snow-gif-18550034

[pine topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/got-jon-snow-test081725-winter-yes-gif-19997083

[night marsh]

indeed

[rare lodge]

hey so i graduate soon

last summer i had an internship at ibm, no return offer tho and no ft offer currently lined up

rn im planning on taking literally the first offer that comes my way, but i'm wondering about resume -- will it be better to put some effort in to try and land a bigger name so that i don't lose the momentum from ibm

i have the funds to lie low and grind applications for a few months if need be

[grave drum]

Anybody in Canada get 6 figure job after graduation? In Canada

[obsidian crater]

😭 😢 🪢 😭 😭

[rare lodge]

ok amazon here i come

[obsidian crater]

The good old days

😢

[rare lodge]

i don't know what you're talking about. today is july (sike no timezone dox) 2021

[grave drum]

where these recruiters at?

ill take that job rn

[rare lodge]

this is where

[rare lodge]

can i get opinions / "ur stupid that doesnt matter" reassurance on this plox

[grave drum]

take what u can get use IBM to negotiate a higher salary then take ur time searching for a bigger name

[rare lodge]

i appreciate that thank u (i completely forgot about negotiation tactics!!)

how much time do you think "take ur time" should be?

[grave drum]

idk man lmao im in the same boat as u

[rare lodge]

lowkey one of my friends said he got like

[grave drum]

im kinda cheesed about the salaries in canada

[rare lodge]

a random $65k job at a bs consultancy firm just to pay the bills for a bit

[obsidian crater]

why are canadian salaries so low?

[rare lodge]

and he kept up the job hunt and quit for a better offer after like 2 months lmfao

[grave drum]

cuz not as much business is done here

american economy is just too massive compared to us

[obsidian crater]

[rare lodge]

can you work remote across the border or do companies not like that?

[obsidian crater]

some jobs do that

[grave drum]

u still need visa i think

[obsidian crater]

but it's probably harder with taxes and stuff

[rare lodge]

rip tru

[grave drum]

my current job is a nyc based company with a sattelite office in canada

feel like they do that cuz they can underpay us here lol

why do all these mfs want 3 years experience tho

do i just apply anyways?

[rain patio]

Yes

[rare lodge]

no literally yes

[rain patio]

I’ve been doing that

[rare lodge]

the experience they request doesn't matter

[vital meteor]

Just apply, I apply to every position from junior to techlead

[rare lodge]

i apply ceo

[grave drum]

ill apply for janitor too lol

[rare lodge]

("don't say no to you, make them say no to you")

if you want you can write (or chatgpt but its writing style is a little obvious so try at ur own risk) a cover letter that calls that out and assures the recruiter that u have the experience required

but afaict it's no huge deal

[grave drum]

fuck that if they ask for CV i dont bother

[swift falcon]

this me rn fr

[grave drum]

thats mad annoying adds like an extra 30mins to the application

[swift falcon]

its like all this work was for shit

[rare lodge]

do we go bootcamp

[rain patio]

Yeah I don’t do CV’s

r/cscareerquestions has to be t10 most brain dead things I’ve seen

Morons in there talking about “your not applying the right way” 💀

[rare lodge]

ur telling me im a member of something t10 🧠

where did the why go

[rain patio]

idk

I got pranked

[grave drum]

lol my bad

[rare lodge]

i keep reading this as mormons

[rain patio]

It’s just a bunch of ppl who either have a job or aren’t even graduates saying nonsense

[rare lodge]

whats the utah market like

[grave drum]

yo thoughts on putting my 16 month intenrship as fulltime?

[rare lodge]

honestly 16 months lol yes

[rain patio]

SWE for Mormon Church

[rare lodge]

thats a whole job

ohw ait im stupid was it part time during school

[grave drum]

what if they call my manager tho?

[rare lodge]

hmm

[rain patio]

Just say it was an internship

[grave drum]

nah i was part timing school

[rain patio]

Are u applying for ng?

[rare lodge]

yeah don't need to specify if it was part time or full time just say internship

[grave drum]

yeah

[rain patio]

It’s a co-op then but idk if ppl care abt the diff

[vital meteor]

Some ng apps specifiy <1 YOE so they might reject you be careful

[grave drum]

every app i seen they want atleast 2 years smh

[vital meteor]

Those are junior/entry level, ng apps soon

[rare lodge]

yeah no dw literally give zero shits abt requested experience

i mean

years

[rain patio]

Bro the worst thing that can happen is u getting rejected

[rare lodge]

not true. they can kill u

[grave drum]

Imagine recruiter emails back calling me a dumbass 🤣

[rain patio]

Lmfao

rejected cause can’t read job description

[lyric sparrow]

If it's 16 months part time then it would be 8 months ft experience

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[shut thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/shaquille-o-neal-cat-shake-shaking-wiggle-gif-4628548

[tacit grove]

has anyone noticed any place actively hiring atm?

[rain patio]

Wait until 2025 brother

[solemn spire]

Rope today?

[fallen fox]

yes

[split igloo]

got damn

finally my EAD got approved this morning

ffs

I lost few days of my OPT

[split igloo]

prob sweat shop and local wendy's

[pine topaz]

dream job if they increase PTO time more

[manic wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-so-sad-gif-25352430

[pine topaz]

give me the company naem

[manic wedge]

what did we do to deserve this

[pine topaz]

being born in the wrong itme

[obsidian crater]

@median thistle Change from CS to marketing

BRUH

Goldman sent me an email about application status

I login to their portal and all it says is application received

ngmi

[fallen fox]

🪢

[grave drum]

What does ngmi mean?

[fallen fox]

🪢 🚿

[grave drum]

I can’t Piece it tg bro 🤣

[obsidian crater]

not gonna make it @grave drum

[coarse current]

is there any brand prestige with tiktok

like is it easy to jump to other companies lets say u work at tiktok as a first job

[prisma flax]

If u can crack tiktok interview than u can crack 90% of the companies

[coarse current]

i think tiktok interviews are easy to grind

as compared to novel interviews like palantir etc

since tiktok mainly just test leetcode, sys design, and those computing foundamentals

so not sure if the diffculty of interview will correlate to greater mobility

[grizzled bronze]

Imagine making $122K TC as a new grad but then getting fired for complaining on Reddit
https://reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/15e635y/how_posting_here_cost_me_my_job_a_lesson_to_new/

[vital meteor]

are you considering tiktok now? iirc from before i thought you were accepting trading firm offer

[fallen fox]

122k tc, LCOL area

complains about job being "bad"

gets fired on 4th day

i would rope ngl

🪢

[obsidian crater]

🤡

[fallen fox]

original post: https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/15alryf/sometimes_having_no_job_is_better_than_a_job_as_a/

[coarse current]

yeap cuz the trading firm requires relocation and i cant rlly relocate for the next one year

so i am considering going back to tiktok

but not sure if its the smartest move lol

[signal jewel]

This was very recent. Damn

[fallen fox]

he got fired instantly lmao

[coarse current]

damn

[obsidian crater]

lmao

rip

[coarse current]

lmao

[signal jewel]

Why was he not anon?

[fallen fox]

bruh imagine losing a 122k TC job in a LOW COL area in this current economy because you complained on reddit about the job being "bad"

[coarse current]

maybe they only hired a few ppl

so easy to pin him out

or he was the only one

lol

that gotta hurt

[fallen fox]

he was using a throwaway i think; but he was very detailed in his post...he mentioned he was from "Indiana" and currently makes "122k in Sacramento" and "currently 3 days into my job"

[coarse current]

damn

the details

[obsidian crater]

rip

[coarse current]

[vital meteor]

whats the alternative, i think tiktok is great for resume and exp imo

[coarse current]

if not its some database start up lmao

but kind of interesting too

[vital meteor]

@pure mauve is currently working there you could ask him his experiences

[coarse current]

where is he based at?

tiktok US?

[vital meteor]

yea i believe so

[coarse current]

cool cool thanks man

lemme hit him up

[hot steppe]

Didn’t he also include the actual name of the company?

[fallen fox]

yeah

[obsidian crater]

lmao

[hot steppe]

What an idiot

[obsidian crater]

getting paid 122k

complaining

KEKW

[fallen fox]

tackle_willing is a coworker and reported him i think

probably mad he makes more

[obsidian crater]

lmao

[hot steppe]

I think part of him wanted to get fired, but didn’t really think things through when posting

[obsidian crater]

bruh

[pine topaz]

Which one of you is going to take his spot ?

[fallen fox]

not me, i'm expired goods

[pine topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/mcdonalds-ronald-mcdonald-clown-makeup-costume-gif-15607170

[hot steppe]

I’m going to

Then complain a day later

[halcyon topaz]

jobs

[rain patio]

Bro I'm making $18/hr at an IT job even tho I just graduated with a CS degree. And this guy was complaining about $122k? I don't care how toxic that place was, I'd stay at that place and keep my mouth shut until I found a better job

[static quarry]

welcome back king

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/you-could-not-live-with-your-own-failure-thanos-endgame-iron-man-captain-america-gif-16931969

This sub when i come back after rage quitting

[narrow harbor]

what was he complaining about? just the tc was low?

[fallen fox]

he was complaining about the job "not being very SWE heavy"

[narrow harbor]

guess they made a follow up post

https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/15e635y/how_posting_here_cost_me_my_job_a_lesson_to_new/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1

[obsidian crater]

How did you learn Spring?

It's quite hard for me

[bold pier]

Make something lol, Baeldung tutorials will get you hired

[obsidian crater]

hmming

[bold pier]

Stop complaining

[obsidian crater]

it's $200+

lol

[dire carbon]

has anyone here got the call from infostride

?

[arctic orchid]

Complaining ain’t gonna help you compete against cracked ass MIT & CMU fobs

[dire carbon]

I recently received a message from Akidev stating that they will offer a 3-month training and provide a 1-year contract. One thing about them is that they require me to put down a refundable deposit of 899, which will be returned after 6 months. Should I avoid them?

[vital meteor]

you have to pay them to work?

[shut thistle]

yes

[dire carbon]

she said. " As we are offering the training for free you have to pay an admin fee of $899 which is for your documentation and legal purpose and we will refund that amount once you complete 6 months of work with us (Everything is legally documented). "

[shut thistle]

you get paid ?

[dire carbon]

yes 75000 /yr

after training

[shut thistle]

position?

[dire carbon]

salesforce software developer

[shut thistle]

talk to previous employees on linkedin and find out

[dire carbon]

okie seems they are legit but just wondering if it's normal to be asked for deposit 😦

[shut thistle]

not normal at all

[dire carbon]

thanks tho

lol

[fallen fox]

scam

run

[dire carbon]

she said do some research about their compnay

[valid flame]

deserved

[dire carbon]

lmao

[valid flame]

count ur blessings

[obsidian crater]

rope

what usually they give you a sign on bonus

[rain patio]

Bruh I was messaged by a similar company. They asked for a $1500 deposit for training. Seemed kinda sus to me

I guess I only get responses from scams

[dusky folio]

I’m a summer graduate, graduating on 12th august have no offers yet😞

ATP I don’t even know where to apply. Entry level positions want me to have like 1-2 years of professional experience 💀

[rain patio]

From what I've seen, new grad recruiting peaks in the Fall. More positions should open soon!

[dusky folio]

I’m an international 😭

I need sponsorship