2023_grads

[fair zephyr]

more like u should give context tbh

cuz it varies

[obsidian crater]

yeah

cause onsite = car

so probably need another 20K to compensate

[solemn spire]

EYUHH

[obsidian crater]

Honestly anything above 50K is technically good

Since it's above median wage

[arctic orchid]

i think the median new grad is 72 or 73

for CS

[arctic orchid]

This is still the funniest meme ever

[fair zephyr]

i agree w this

[arctic orchid]

depends on your budget

[obsidian crater]

There's probably some index

Some economist came up with

[arctic orchid]

HCOL should only include San fran and New york

[wispy mason]

How can you tell if a startup is actually real?

[arctic orchid]

100k in a MCOL and you're honestly living really comfortably

[obsidian crater]

crunchbase

[arctic orchid]

I have an 83k offer for washington DC/Balitmore

[obsidian crater]

DC is HCOL

[arctic orchid]

Damn

[whole berry]

take it bro

[arctic orchid]

I did

[whole berry]

ima be honest man take anything

[obsidian crater]

Baltimore is MCOL

[arctic orchid]

in a security clearance process

[obsidian crater]

Baltimore is not DC

[arctic orchid]

Baltimore DC area

[obsidian crater]

DC/NoVA is expensive

Baltimore the city is a hood

[arctic orchid]

thats how its referred to

[obsidian crater]

I mean what's the actual city

[arctic orchid]

its in that area

[obsidian crater]

Is it Baltimore or is it some rich place like Bethesda

[arctic orchid]

I could commute from both or anything surrounding

I can't disclose

[obsidian crater]

fair

[arctic orchid]

I feel like thats enough frame of reference

[obsidian crater]

Area immediately around DC is HCOL

Everything around that is probably MCOL

[arctic orchid]

I mean i still have to go through security clearance process

it takes a whole year

[obsidian crater]

That takes forever

[arctic orchid]

I'm not off the hook

and i did graduate 2023

[obsidian crater]

How can B. Chilling not get a job?

So cracked

[arctic orchid]

So 83k in DC makes me poor basically?

[rain patio]

Not really u can live nearby and commute

[obsidian crater]

83K in DC isn't poor

It's about average

[grizzled bronze]

He's already doing fine with internship offers, once new grad recruiting starts he's gonna get mad offers

[rain patio]

Rent 30-40 mins away from DC is around 1-2k a month

[arctic orchid]

but tbh i'd rather live in a nicer city

where like shit is happening

[rain patio]

DC is not bad there’s clubs and stuff if ur into that

[obsidian crater]

I promise shit happens in Baltimore

Theft, larceny, murder, drugs

[arctic orchid]

Yeah def taking DC

[rain patio]

Baltimore isn’t too bad either

[arctic orchid]

Heard a lot of nice things about the city

[rain patio]

@arctic orchid baltimore City or county?

[obsidian crater]

I can cook, clean and raise cat-dog children

Wife me up

[arctic orchid]

county

[rain patio]

Baltimore county is cheaper than DC

[split plaza]

Have you ever lived in Baltimore lol

[arctic orchid]

But why would i want to live in Baltimore

[obsidian crater]

I watched The Wire and that makes me have a PhD in Baltimore

[rain patio]

Baltimore is not a shithole lol

[split plaza]

^

[rain patio]

West baltimore is

Everywhere else is fine

[arctic orchid]

Its crazy john hopkins is in baltimore

[rain patio]

Ur not gonna be in west baltimore anyways

so ur chilling

[arctic orchid]

Like between washinton DC and balitmore

theres a shit ton of solid universities

[obsidian crater]

Europe was founded in 1848 by Walker Texas Ranger when he rode a horse across the Atlantic, he called it "Eastern USA" which was eventually abbreviated EU.

[arctic orchid]

from maryland, georgetown, george washinton, john hopkins

[rain patio]

Not there rn tho*

[fair zephyr]

id say seattle is mid point between mcol and hcol

cuz u cant put nyc and bay w seattle

[rain patio]

Bro my groceries in Seattle is like 2x what they usually were 😭

In cost

[obsidian crater]

Bellevue is a nice suburb

All Indian MSFT engineers

Same thing really

You gotta live in downtown Seattle with the homeless

[rain patio]

3rd Ave downtown

[obsidian crater]

my friend works for rainforest inc

[arctic orchid]

I never saw the appeal to San francisco or the bay area

[obsidian crater]

he said rainforest inc practically owns downtown

[arctic orchid]

until i went to a tech conference

In San fran

[fair zephyr]

i got a open 1 bdr for 1300

in seattle

[obsidian crater]

lol I just spoke to my friend in CAD

He said don't come to CAD cause the job market is ass

[arctic orchid]

Like the tech community and events you would have access to

is insane

[obsidian crater]

He became a politician

True

He said it's hard to find a job in tech though

Especially entry-mid level

[fair zephyr]

this is an anomaly but you could def find a good 500sqft studio for <1500

[arctic orchid]

whats CA

[obsidian crater]

Most Canadians just go to the US

[arctic orchid]

CAD

[obsidian crater]

Mapleland

[arctic orchid]

oh

[obsidian crater]

The place where tc is 50K but homes are 1.2 million

[fair zephyr]

just trust me

i dont lie

[arctic orchid]

Is Seattle any good

[obsidian crater]

yeah

[fair zephyr]

i thing its good

[obsidian crater]

Seattle is good but sausage fest + HCOL + high inequality

[fair zephyr]

i like seattle more than sf

[obsidian crater]

Can't marriage-maxx in Seattle

[arctic orchid]

Sf is a shithole

[obsidian crater]

Unless you wanna marry a dude

[arctic orchid]

But shithole with the best tech community

so i think that makes it so worth

[fair zephyr]

seattle has decent tech community what

[arctic orchid]

I'm sure it does

[rain patio]

It’s Amazon Microsoft and gcp

[arctic orchid]

but idk if anyhthing compares

to the SF/ Bay area

again I haven't been to seattle so I can't speak to it

[fair zephyr]

nyc is dream

i said it

[rain patio]

Yeah I wanna live in nyc

Sounds fun

[arctic orchid]

NYC is dream

Idk i like the beach

I wish there was more tech in Orange County

Not enough stuff for new grads

[fair zephyr]

i wanted bloomberg in nyc so bad i cant believe I fucked my last intv

forever doomed

[arctic orchid]

Is bloomberg opening new grad this year?

[rain patio]

Probably

[fair zephyr]

probably theyre kinda recession proof

[arctic orchid]

anyone remeber when they opened it last year?

[obsidian crater]

Gonna referral-maxx when they do

[fair zephyr]

a lot of ppl got BB offers in november

I had my process late oct

but they came to my campus so might be diff

[arctic orchid]

yeah i think its def different

Do referrals go a long way at bloomberg

[obsidian crater]

idk

my uncle is team lead there

so might as well

[arctic orchid]

Cus I could get some

[fair zephyr]

brother

[rain patio]

nepotism hire inbound

[fair zephyr]

nepo it

[arctic orchid]

Anyone down to trade referalls

[rain patio]

What do u have

[arctic orchid]

nepotism doesn't exist in SWE

[wispy mason]

Guysssss is it actually going to get better in August.

[fair zephyr]

surely

[autumn iris]

[autumn iris]

no

[fair zephyr]

wait r they rlly

[autumn iris]

we're all unemployed forever

[arctic orchid]

Meta, Apple, Adobe, Amazon

I have others as well

[autumn iris]

it depends on who the person who's refering you is

[rain patio]

Me wants Apple meta and Adobe if they are non intern

[autumn iris]

if its some random guy on blind

[fair zephyr]

i thought cold applying <<< referrals

[autumn iris]

it prob wont do anything

the person who's refering you can either say they know you 100%, or its some random guy u met

[arctic orchid]

It literally doesn't mean a thing

actually

lol

[rain patio]

Recruiter >>

[fair zephyr]

oh ic

[arctic orchid]

I got a referrall from the head of cybersecurity at microsoft

[autumn iris]

also it depends on how high the guy is refering u

refers dont mean anything if its in

[arctic orchid]

Hes a principle engineer

[autumn iris]

different departments

[wispy mason]

How high meaning?

[autumn iris]

unless ur gunna be working under that guy

[arctic orchid]

Meh

[autumn iris]

then i doubt it'll help for big companies

[wispy mason]

What really

[autumn iris]

maybe for screening

[arctic orchid]

Idk from what i've gathered

[fair zephyr]

yea hitting up old recruiters from previous cycles def works

if they havent gotten laid off yet lol

[arctic orchid]

theres such a big wall between engineering and hr at big companies

that I don't think it matters much

[autumn iris]

like usually even if u get refers

it depends on so many factors

refers barely help for new grads tbh

cause 0 exp

[arctic orchid]

Its better to probably have connects with recruiters

[autumn iris]

if ur already working n have experience, then its a lot easier

[arctic orchid]

I noticed for smaller companies tho

referalls kind of make a big difference

[autumn iris]

refer matters for smaller companies

they have less apps

and most of the time they would ratehr hire internal

[arctic orchid]

No even with lots of apps

[autumn iris]

big companies have a sht ton of qualified applicants

[arctic orchid]

i feel like it throws you higher on the queue

no doubt

[autumn iris]

idk, if ur a new grad i wouldn't worry about it

unless ur targetting a very specific position

then sure

yeah

but most of my friends are still working in big tech

so thats wat they all tell me

could take everything i say with a grain of salt, but people say mixed things

its sht

[fair zephyr]

i also want to know it

[autumn iris]

can we even post resumes in here

doxing each other

idk avg

[jaunty basalt]

Dude u gotta fix that

[autumn iris]

it looks bad cause i just copy on paint

so lots of white space

but idk, i gotten interviews this summer with this resume

and other people approved it

[jaunty basalt]

That explains it

I was gonna say

U on 200% zoom

[autumn iris]

yeah

idk why paint did that

[jaunty basalt]

I didn’t read the content

[autumn iris]

yeah idk why

[jaunty basalt]

I barely read the content cuz like even recruiter don’t care

[autumn iris]

it looks scuffed

but im fixing it in a few weeks

i need to remove 2 lines in research assistant

[obsidian crater]

your resume is too gekky

geeky

[autumn iris]

and add AWS dev ops pro

also add sht from my current lab

[obsidian crater]

I guess you are bioinfo

[jaunty basalt]

Drop the irrelevant skills

[autumn iris]

i'm applying for DS roles

[jaunty basalt]

Oh I guess excel is loosely related

[autumn iris]

yeah

everything i have is related to DS in some way

or if someone asks me about it

[jaunty basalt]

I used to want to do DS bro I gave up

[autumn iris]

i can tell them

its mainly stats/experimental sht

but yeah, just need to add AWS dev ops pro cert when i get it

data science is stats

and CS

but yeah idk

i think my resume is avg

we'll see next month when i start applying

idk i doubt it's gunna be that bad

[obsidian crater]

my only hope now is blackrock

[autumn iris]

plan is : apply to any big tech companies -> then fortune 500s -> insurance/healthcare related -> worse case i do phd in ML

[obsidian crater]

let's start a company

[autumn iris]

im too poor

[obsidian crater]

Who needs ML algos

[signal jewel]

and sell that company to elon musk

[obsidian crater]

Use Dall-E

[autumn iris]

[signal jewel]

Typical cs student:
simp
gaming
introvert
high screen time 💀

[rain patio]

fuck

That’s me

[signal jewel]

yeah we are all cs

[jaunty basalt]

insurance and healthcare is F500

one step closer to ml phd

[obsidian crater]

Hey I'm not a simp

True

also Juda

[autumn iris]

uh not really

some are

but theres plenty of those companies that are like F1000

or lower

healthcare pays lower, but high job security

[jaunty basalt]

and you happen to know their names too?

[autumn iris]

i applied to a few for internships

[jaunty basalt]

the biggest insurance companies are in the F500

[autumn iris]

yeah

[jaunty basalt]

like near the top

[autumn iris]

im not only applying for big ones

but who knows, apply to everything

[jaunty basalt]

exactly

[autumn iris]

i really dont wanna do a phd though

so hopefully i get a few interviews

[jaunty basalt]

not sure why theres a hierarchy but then you would have to know about their existance

which means u could just hit apply

[lyric sparrow]

Have yall had more success applying to local smaller companies? The only thing is I've noticed they usually expect a couple of years of experience and their positions aren't new grad

[wispy mason]

Is there a place to check unemployment days or something?

[autumn iris]

smaller companies is a mix of things

main issue is that they would need a senior person to "mentor" new grads

also depends on how small, im pretty sure if they have hundreds of employees then they usually hire

[arctic orchid]

You can always just dip your phd program

if yo u get a good job offer

I heard thats pretty normal

[vital meteor]

Alof of experts here

[wispy mason]

So there's no official website that tells you how many days you have left?

[autumn iris]

its not worth it

people say that you can drop phd for masters

but most people dont unless ur advisor is just sht or research is sht

because u still have to make it to 2 yrs in the first place for masters

ur better off just getting ur phd, and you'll have a much easier time in the future

[jolly mist]

@gentle peak when did u grad

bruh u good

I graduated may 2022 and didnt get a job till march 2023

Just gotta keep going

[fallen fox]

[solemn spire]

@gentle peak you a FT?

Yea or like me?

[jaunty basalt]

How

[autumn iris]

dropping out of a phd?

[jaunty basalt]

Yes

[autumn iris]

idk, i feel like ur ROI is better longterm if u just

spend 2 more yrs to complete a phd if its from a top 10 uni

it opens way more doors

[jaunty basalt]

U have 2 year phds?

[autumn iris]

than just leaving with a masters

no 4yrs

[jaunty basalt]

Where do I sign up

[autumn iris]

u would never drop out a phd before ur masters (which is 2 yrs)

[jaunty basalt]

Why

Nobody mentioned that

[autumn iris]

i'd assume that most people who drop out phds

usually do it after masters

1st year is usually lab placements

[jaunty basalt]

What

[autumn iris]

idk also depends on what jobs ur applying to

i doubt you be able to get research related positions if u dont get at least a masters

like research scientist/applied scientists

[jaunty basalt]

Wasn’t the premise good job offer

Which doesn’t always mean research

[autumn iris]

then u shouldnt even apply to a phd in the first place

the process is extremely time consuming

wouldnt u be better off just

leetcoding

[narrow harbor]

were you going for swe?

[jaunty basalt]

Now that adds up

Makes sense

But what are you doing

[autumn iris]

wat u mean

[jaunty basalt]

Leetcoding ?

[autumn iris]

i currently do research in a ML lab

oh

yeah, applying to jobs

phd is like

my last resort

i'll see if i can stay in my lab post-graduation

[jaunty basalt]

Ok so let’s say you are in your first year phd would you still apply to the same type of jobs

[autumn iris]

yea

i mean the best thing to do when ur in a phd program

u just apply for internship in research related roles

but this is usually after ur 2nd year, once u actually start doing research (and publishing)

[jaunty basalt]

But your first year

What happens when you get a good job offer

[autumn iris]

yeah first year, ur the same as any other master student

i mean sure, u can apply

but idk i havent seen anyone who went into a phd program with the intention to drop out immediately

why do that, when u can get a phd related to ML at a top uni n it opens a lot of doors

[solemn kite]

yeah people do PhDs bc they're interested in research

[jolly mist]

I ran side hustle and would grind project and apps

[hoary fern]

getting into phd is actually hars

hard to do

[solemn kite]

^

[hoary fern]

its not a backup plan

[autumn iris]

the hard part is finding a lab who'll take u

i can stick with my current lab

[hoary fern]

swe is the backup plan for ppl into research lmao

[autumn iris]

main benefit for me is i dont have any loans once graduating

[hoary fern]

harvard art is really bad

[autumn iris]

so i can kinda do w/e

[hoary fern]

prob easy to get in through there

ok thats more luck than anything

[jaunty basalt]

I’m not saying u come in intending to drop out but if u happen to land a big gig it’d be worth it

[autumn iris]

i dont think people apply to jobs when they;re that early in anyways

usually they get burnt first, opt out

and then start applying

[solemn kite]

it's kinda weird to do that bc your advisor got research funding for the research you're doing for them

so it's kinda a commitment

[autumn iris]

yeah

ur kinda a dik if u do it

[solemn kite]

yeah

[autumn iris]

the only situations i seen people actually do it

is if advisor leaves/is fked, your research is fked (aka experiment went to sht)

lack of funding

or u just get burnt

and u opt out with masters

[pine topaz]

we are not ropijng

august is a bright future

only rope fi august is dry

[jaunty basalt]

Yeah that makes sense, now it’s morals

[jaunty basalt]

Do ppl reapply to another program

[autumn iris]

rarely

application cycle takes months

unless u really want a phd, then sure

but u generally just ask other labs in ur school to take u in

and a professor can take over ur research/project

just rope now so u dont have to rope later

[pine topaz]

honestly just switch to a writer

[autumn iris]

[pine topaz]

dis career aint for u

[autumn iris]

[solemn spire]

Me too bro me too

[jaunty basalt]

Yeah that’s what I was curious about, how fast is that process

[autumn iris]

idk

never done it

[jaunty basalt]

Cuz that do be stressful

It’s like a job

[autumn iris]

phd literally is a job

u get paid to do research

[jaunty basalt]

Ok

[arctic orchid]

Yeah that’s the nice part

People forget you’re getting paid to get higher credentials

It’s kind of a win win

[swift falcon]

p sure you get like 30k a year and can’t work anywhere else without ur schools permission and u have to TA

ur like the colleges slave bitch

[lost ether]

Exit opportunities though 👀

[autumn iris]

ur talking about internationals

[swift falcon]

nah

[autumn iris]

u can do co-ops/internships as a phd student

[swift falcon]

i think it was everyone that wanted to do some kind if TA funded position

[autumn iris]

if anything its encouraged, esp if ur not planning on going to academia

well yeah

u just TA during school year

summers = internships

and u can do co-ops if u want to

[swift falcon]

how tf u gonna support a family like that

[autumn iris]

ur in school

wat u mean supporting a family

[swift falcon]

u have to be sweaty no lifer basically

[autumn iris]

ur just doing college v2.0

if u already have a family, then ur kinda fked

[swift falcon]

what do I know tbh I was just a masters student

[autumn iris]

gotta decide on opportunity costs

i mean

are u online masters

[swift falcon]

hybrid

[autumn iris]

if ur already working, then phd is generally not worth it

unless u wanna switch careers

like specialize in ML

[swift falcon]

thinking back the “lab” I went to for my advisor was like, 5 cubicles in a row where we all sat on laptops and nobody talked

[hoary fern]

if ur good at marketing anything can be a job

hot tub streams can be a job

[autumn iris]

[swift falcon]

be an NPC on timton

probably make more than phd

[hoary fern]

👍🔥👍🔥👍🔥

[cloud zinc]

as a grad student, are you limited to grad-only internships or do most companies not give a shit between undergrad applicants and grad applicants for their internship roles?

Only asking because my most recent internship had both undergrads and grads working in the same team

if august is the definitive recovery month for new grad roles, would an offer be worth dropping out of grad school over?

If there are no entry level roles in Rochester by then, then I'm boned

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/aight-imma-fuck-witchu-aight-imma-fwu-fist-bump-gif-15148502

Me after getting an offer

[swift falcon]

That's life
(That's life)
That's life and I can't deny it
Many times I thought of cutting out but my heart won't buy it
But if there's nothing shaking come this here July
I'm gonna roll myself up
In a big ball and die
My, my

Frank Sinatra says it best

if nothing shakes out by end of july

I rope

fine if nothing shakes out in august it’s ashes to ashes dust to dust

[grizzled bronze]

August is when the recruiting season is really getting started, September is gonna be lit

[vital meteor]

we should group buy rope to save $

[cloud zinc]

we 2022 grads gotta take that offer first. To at least end the year with some sort of dignity.

[autumn jolt]

nowadays even consultancy taking interviews before pumping up your resume to 8+ years and take 50% salary. Just gib a job

[signal jewel]

November will be fire

[pine topaz]

if august is terrible

we will have so much mental reslience in life

nothing can ever stop us ever in life

we are called gen z because the world ends with us

[vast mica]

contact your school IPO, and they will be able to help professionally

[wispy mason]

IPO? Meaning?

[vast mica]

and it would be much better than asking here, coz its gonna get rejected if you dont fix it

International program office

just check on google, type IPO, and your school name

[grim creek]

any updates on this? i dont see it either

[arctic orchid]

Shit probably got like 20k applicants

Fucking caterpillar

Not even a tech company

[grim creek]

yeah lol, the mandem is desperate fr

[arctic orchid]

Citadel with 65k was up surd already

[vital meteor]

i think it even reached 69k

[arctic orchid]

No chance 65 k motherfuckers thought they had a chance to work at citadel

The gull to even apply

[rain patio]

65k? Where u see these stats

[unreal ruin]

30k applied for Goldman for this summer internship so I wouldn’t be surprised

[swift falcon]

bro if I gotta compete with 65k people for a job I might as well 🪢

no way there are 65k job openings for all of us

[timber rock]

just be the best candidate

[bold pier]

How dafaq they comb best candidates from 60k applications, resumes can be deceptive.

It just incentivezes selecting T5 and ex-faang to make their life easier

[glossy shard]

Anyone knows how the interview will be a Goldman sachs? through Infosys as vendor ?
they told they use slang(their internal db language ), java, python, C++

dont know how to prepare for this

[swift falcon]

yeah but realistically you aint in that top 5 tho

and even if you are the analogy is like, you in the top 500 who are actually competitive

[wanton hamlet]

that's just copium, if u want it bad enough and r willing to grind, u can make it

[raw plank]

Nah I’ve been crumbling and everyone in my life knows it

[jaunty basalt]

You can get 50 kills and lose

[spark bay]

nah the reality is more like you know jerry down the street from accounting and he introduces you to the hiring manager "hey sharon this is little jimmy who you've heard me talk about over the years, little jimmy went to school to learn how to code, won't you take a look at his resume? oh you'll interview him right now? excellent, excellet, great, wonderful."

that's how the game is played to think that the hiring process is pure meritocracy is (slightly) delusional

[wanton hamlet]

lol i have zero connections

and tons of other ppl too

[spark bay]

I said delusional no stop but its only to some extent it be like that hence my (slightly) qualifer

I mean just reading about different companies and talking to SWE's in the industry apparently no one actually knows how to interview- some companies like amazon iirc have more standardized and trained their employees on the process but most are just ad hoc from what I've heard

[spark bay]

not even internet ppl?

[bold pier]

I challenge you to CS GO lobby

[hoary fern]

id fight yall for a job

👍🔥

love battle royal

rather that over lc

[swift falcon]

bull shit 😂

[solemn spire]

Bro thats population of my whole town

[split plaza]

probably >80% of these massive applicant pools couldn’t solve an LC medium tbh

this is delusional

The average CS major hasn’t even heard of LC

[raw plank]

Wish I could get a LC medium in an interview

Those are only on pre OAs now and getting 100% = resume reject

[split plaza]

this channel collectively needs to touch some grass

[pine topaz]

a literal battle royale

only the strongest survive

[solemn kite]

^ that's just because it's a new field lol

also 18-24 is when 95% of people go to college so that's going to be stacked for any industry imo

[swift falcon]

it's over for the little guy

[pine topaz]

stop it, this is doom_grads

stop the hopium

[wet jacinth]

The one after 65 yr old is longer than 65 yr old. Hehe.

[fallen fox]

would you reapply again after getting recruiter rejected ~1 month ago?

idk if worth

[solemn kite]

ye

could be a diff recruiter viewing your resume this time

it's a very subjective selection process. plus company requirements are diff for each position

[swift falcon]

what is the point of Uni if you have to spend another 3-5 months getting up to speed grinding and doing LC and shi (and that's just to be competitive), I literally could have spent the last 2 years doing that instead of degree instead I'm in the same damn boat I was in 4 years ago even before I got undergrad degree

[fallen fox]

thanks

[swift falcon]

maybe

but from my experience, there needs to be like INDUSTRY101 like where you learn what you have to do to get a job and what stacks are in the area and what you need to know

because the core curriculum (at least at my uni) is not what people are hiring for

[raw plank]

Those already exist as electives

[swift falcon]

show me

[raw plank]

True, but you already need some of these skills to get those internships

[swift falcon]

neither of my universities had anything like that

yeah, my point is that Unis should be preppin you/making you aware of this

[wet jacinth]

for most SDE jobs.

[swift falcon]

it might be self study, but like I said, even if they just make you aware of it

[solemn kite]

yeah i feel like i learned a lot about databases, OS, software principles, algorithms etc which has helped me at work

but ofc it's ridiculously overpriced

[wet jacinth]

he jesus

[swift falcon]

mb I'm not getting my point across here

i'm talking about a 1 credit class that's like "THINGS YOU NEED TO STUDY/PREPARE FOR TO GET HIRED"

[solemn kite]

def agree with this. or even better, change these dumb hiring practices

[swift falcon]

that outlines, take these electives, study this shit on the side, plan to make a project in this stack for your capstone etc.

[solemn kite]

wish there was a 1-credit course every semester where you get taught some leetcode. slow and steady pace.

[swift falcon]

it can and should

[wet jacinth]

wish I win 1 mil in lottery

[swift falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[split plaza]

end result is the same, the average CS major is bad at LC

[solemn kite]

it's really not that crazy an idea 😭

[wet jacinth]

It's not. I was just wishing.

yeh, even better

[pine topaz]

work is fun imo, just wish its not almost our entire lives

more ptos, 4 dayu work week, dont have to stress abt job search when u get unemployed
would love to work till i die

[solemn kite]

yeah 4 day work week would fix all my problems

[fallen fox]

do you think i should use a different email?

[solemn kite]

sure!

[fallen fox]

thanks

[raw plank]

Not all are great, so u have a point kinda

I needed 1 credit my last semester so I took a college to career elective

[swift falcon]

damn so u had an actual class like that nice

[raw plank]

Basically asynchronous weekly discussion boards where u get feedback from other students barely learned anything

[swift falcon]

I know my computer architecture instructor was like "they're teaching you outdated stuff" but he never actually went into any detail

[solemn kite]

in the past, when i've seen a job i really want, i apply immediately <2 days after it's posted. then i cold message asking for a referral. then i apply with another email after getting the referral. only did this sometimes tho

[raw plank]

I guess if u didn’t have resume/LinkedIn before it would be helpful but didn’t teach me anything further

[swift falcon]

was it general or CS centric?

[raw plank]

General

So u have a point

[potent mason]

anyone know when c1 new grad hiring starts?

[split plaza]

do you have to fit 40 hours into those four days though

[pine topaz]

I want full remote

[grizzled bronze]

Recruiter confirmed it's opening September

[deep wasp]

any chance I can get a resume review? #1134514386980053094 message ty in advance

[wraith yew]

any resume templates for new grads w no experience?

[grizzled bronze]

Yahkuna's resume template

dm him for it

[pine topaz]

@pulsar mural been quiet recently

packing bags to phonexis I guess

[hoary fern]

they gotta go somewhere after the layoffs

[grizzled bronze]

Having 2x/3x FAANG doesn't make them any better than you

[rain patio]

I got rejected by Lockheed

I still don’t understand why

[raw plank]

I got rejected by Lockheed like 10 times now

Each time adding one more lie to resume

Probably blacklisted

Low key worried about starting the process now , been dooming too much online

Gonna find out I’m mentally unstable

[rain patio]

don’t think so

If they do I’m roping

[raw plank]

Yea they do

Thanks bro

[cloud zinc]

there's gotta be a server-wide anouncement if things really do pick up on August

[raw plank]

No announcements pls until I get offer

[swift falcon]

the question is, is it just NG postings gonna pick up in august, or is everyone going to hire?

[raw plank]

Stealth drop job postings

[cloud zinc]

I'm only referring to a complete recovery of new grad roles. Stealth postings are nothing exciting

[grizzled bronze]

there shouldn't, we don't need more competition

[rain patio]

Hell nah, I’m all for everyone winning but this shit gonna increase competition

[cloud zinc]

fair point

I'll just keep my eyes peeled 24/7 for august

[grizzled bronze]

although anyone paying attention will be able to tell from the channels that it's picking up

most people are lurking and taking advantage of all the info here

👀

[chilly burrow]

We have a channel for new grad postings

So imo it wouldnt b necessary

Wat does dis mean 🤔

[obsidian crater]

Someone who graduated but didn't get a job

So a lot of 2024 NG positions aren't available because of graduation date, but 2023 is closed

[chilly burrow]

I don't think jokes about suicidal ideation are funny

[chilly burrow]

Some companies consider you a new grad up to a year after grad

So you can apply to some 2024 new grad roles

[obsidian crater]

True

[void bear]

anyone knows what Akuna easyhire interview looks like?

[obsidian crater]

How's the job market up in Canada?

[chilly burrow]

Not great

[obsidian crater]

My friend is running as politician in some riding

[chilly burrow]

Thanks for your valuable input 😃👍

[chilly burrow]

In Canada?

[obsidian crater]

Yeah

Calgary

Do you guys do hackathons?

[chilly burrow]

I did a few

They can be fun

I also won a small prize at one

[obsidian crater]

Oh nice

What was the project?

[chilly burrow]

But if you one, I'd recommend having a few team members already

[chilly burrow]

It was some ai project lol

Not rlly impressive

It won a sponsor prize

[obsidian crater]

haha use a buzzword and it gets the judges' attention

Go with me

Expired Goods Hackathon™️

[chilly burrow]

@median thistle have u started at snowflake yet?

You're gonna learn so much

Plus Snowflake will make resume screens easy

[obsidian crater]

cracked

[pine topaz]

let me vote for ur friend

[chilly burrow]

Bing chiling is big chilling lol

[obsidian crater]

He already lost

He is NDP in Alberta

[chilly burrow]

Snowflake is prob one of the best companies out there's

[obsidian crater]

[chilly burrow]

Yea, thats tuff...

[pine topaz]

wait he has a set in the NDP?

seat*

[obsidian crater]

I think he was running for some small position

But iirc Alberta is conservative

[pine topaz]

isnt alberta ran by the conservative rn

[chilly burrow]

Yea

[obsidian crater]

I've been told it's Canada's Texas

But not as insane

[chilly burrow]

That's a great team

[fair zephyr]

new here?

[obsidian crater]

I think he runs the server

[pine topaz]

us poltiics is leaking to canadians

[chilly burrow]

I'm a moderator 😭

[pine topaz]

yall makign us more insane

[obsidian crater]

Dude

Infra is amazing

You're bing chilling

[chilly burrow]

Infra at Snow is gr8 lol

[fair zephyr]

is there oncall?

[chilly burrow]

One of the higest impact orgs

[chilly burrow]

For moderator? Yeah

[obsidian crater]

Infra is high TC + High Impact + High Learning

[fair zephyr]

lol

[fair zephyr]

and oncall and generally harder work

[obsidian crater]

true but you learn so much

People like you are why the layoffs happened

Resting + vesting

/s

[solemn kite]

that's all anyone on here talks about. it's a bit unfortunate honestly

[fair zephyr]

D:

[obsidian crater]

Jerome Powell got us acting unwise

[solemn kite]

i feel bad for yall 😦

Infra gives you great systems knowledge esp at new grad level

[fair zephyr]

yea but you dont get to code as much

[obsidian crater]

I wish I graduated last year

Now all the companies are only hiring seniors

[solemn kite]

in interviews u can impress easily by how much you know bc it gives you high-level conceptualization of how everything works

[fair zephyr]

idk i jsut feel like a lot of companies' 'infra' roles quickly turns into ops

except for like big tech

[grizzled bronze]

When you see Canonical in your LinkedIn job feed

https://tenor.com/view/fire-kill-fuego-matar-incendiar-gif-5307315

[obsidian crater]

I have some advice for you

Next life, pick rich parents

[grizzled bronze]

Then you want to work in defense, @pulsar mural has connections at Lockheed

[swift falcon]

should I use experimental resume on a long shot? could be kind of funny if I get the job

it's kinda clean ngl

[obsidian crater]

intern

heh

He's at Sofi right now

Snowflake lined up for fall

I respect him

Cause he's cracked

I only respect power

[grizzled bronze]

This guy really needs to stop whining lol, he's really fortunate with those offers

[swift falcon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c54Z0rVBUt8

[grizzled bronze]

Bro, just stop keep on whining you're already doing good with what you have now

or keep whining, but don't use rope emoji

so many people here are pre-roping and recruiting season hasn't really begun yet

[fair zephyr]

pre-roping lol

[raw plank]

Pre roping

If u think about it all roping is pre roping cuz it can always get better

[lyric sparrow]

I applied anyways 💀

[solemn kite]

man said don't culturally appropriate the rope emoji

[chilly burrow]

I understand that the job search is tough

But suicide jokes aren't nice 😕

[fallen fox]

bing chlling has nvidia + sofi + snowflake idk why he coping

[chilly burrow]

Bruh 💀

They got 2 top tier companies and SoFi 😭

[solemn kite]

yeah it could really trigger/upset some people who just come on here for advice and info

[chilly burrow]

What're they complaining abt

[grizzled bronze]

fr lol

[raw plank]

They are not jokes

[solemn kite]

If they're not jokes then you need actual help and being on this server is destroying your mental health even more lol

[rain patio]

Literally this^

[solemn kite]

sure, but talking about roping on this server is probably the worst thing you can do for your mental health

[lyric sparrow]

Have yall tried mental health apps in the meanwhile

[rain patio]

I use rope as a way to cope

abt future

[raw plank]

100% true

[pallid kernel]

what sites besides LinkedIn are you guys using for applying to jobs?

[lyric sparrow]

Indeed is all over the place for me with experiences needed for roles

[pallid kernel]

yeah indeed is a fishy website for me plus i've heard that there are a lot of scam postings on there

[rain patio]

Indeed is ass

Not worth using

[pallid kernel]

damn theres not many jobs on simplify either

[swift falcon]

I got 0 in my area

[pallid kernel]

how many jobs are you guys applying to per day

i wanted to do 10 a day but there arent even that many 😭

[narrow harbor]

LinkedIn, Simplify, Otta, Indeed, and I'll just google a list of companies and manually go to their careers page

[rain patio]

I don’t apply everyday

But I look around keep note of places to apply to later when ng opens or if there’s app that requires 1-3 yoe

[pine topaz]

are you applying to tech hubs everywehre

i didnt know it was *that * dry

[pallid kernel]

yeah im not picky, literally anything goes

any location in canada/usa

there were only 3 new grad positions for the entirety of canada on simplify kek

[chilly burrow]

Bing chilling has internships lined up though?

[chilly burrow]

If you're not joking you should try and get help. https://www.cdc.gov/suicide/resources/index.html

[pine topaz]

are you canadian?

[pallid kernel]

yeah

[pine topaz]

oh my gosh how many does toronto has

[raw plank]

what do you guys think of Dice

[pallid kernel]

idk i havent been looking at specifically toronto, just all of canada in general

i dont even look at location or requirements when i apply anymore

[obsidian crater]

I hate this job market so much

[fresh mango]

anyone hear back from the Pinterest software 1 position or nothing?

[obsidian crater]

rejection

[pine topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-christ-kid-crying-gif-15837766

[obsidian crater]

which makes no sense lol

resume rejct

[fresh mango]

same lol

[obsidian crater]

probably just a fake job posting

[fresh mango]

but software 1 what do they want

[obsidian crater]

someone with 5 yoe

[fresh mango]

job desc looked like does not need mad yoe and all that

[pallid kernel]

probably like 4k+ applicants

[fresh mango]

tf man when will my email look like - next steps 😭

[pine topaz]

[pallid kernel]

i dont even know why im trying anymore

[obsidian crater]

not even OA

[pine topaz]

thats actualy insane

239 results wtff

[rain patio]

90% of those applicants are not qualified, you’ll be fine

[obsidian crater]

So sick of this market lol

Every job posting is either senior

Or ghost

[pallid kernel]

i mean i thought i had a decent resume (internships at SAP and Unity), but i havent gotten a single OA nevermind an interview yet

[fresh mango]

OA return rate is 1/10000 or something or just me

[pallid kernel]

and ive been applying for two months

[fresh mango]

alteast send us an OA se we can know we fucked up🤣🤣

[rain patio]

Are u applying to the 2024 ng positions as well

[signal trellis]

We're going to add a bunch of companies soon, been extremely slammed with new feature releases

Lots of new Simplify Customers as well

[pallid kernel]

they havent opened up, i mean the 2024 github link has like 5 postings on it

[static quarry]

The matches feature is so bad i cant lie

[rain patio]

reavail’s has a couple, test out ur resume on those cause there’s a bunch that hand out OA’s after resume screen (ex: IXL)

[static quarry]

it barely gives any matches ever

so many job postings missed on it

[pallid kernel]

does it matter if theyre for american postings and im a canadian citizen

i think i need the company to sponsor me

which sucks

[rain patio]

oh yeah sponsorship makes it harder, his GitHub repo specifies if they sponsor or not

[pallid kernel]

i had a bloomberg interview last year, pretty pissed that i bombed that, they probably wouldve sponsored me

[trail tundra]

bing chiling is not bing chilling

[grizzled bronze]

username is inaccurate

[lunar hatch]

what quant places have opened for 2024

[rain patio]

A whole lot

[ornate cliff]

Hello fellow jobless folk

[grizzled bronze]

These good offers will help you when new grad companies start recruiting. You're just worrying for nothing, honestly. Try to see a counselor about your anxiety tbh.

[ornate cliff]

Nvidia > goog

Next week

[pallid kernel]

i had a ft job offer from amazon but they delayed me to january

[ornate cliff]

Hit me up for the latest and greatest in Chromebooks

[bold pier]

Does Spotify sponsor in US?

[ornate cliff]

#1 thing that matters is an American passport... More than any faang on resume

[pallid kernel]

maybe canadian job market is more dry than the american one

[signal jewel]

you live in bay area?

[ornate cliff]

Canadian market is non-existent

[pallid kernel]

well fuck

[ornate cliff]

Unless you wanna make 60k

Change filter to "milky way" don't limit yourself

[grizzled bronze]

Which chromebook do you recommend?

[pallid kernel]

u should do all of the US, sometimes remote jobs pop up

[signal jewel]

i guess thats why you get better filters? am i wrong?

[ornate cliff]

Off the record, none of them

Someone find USA gf and hook us up

[pallid kernel]

danganronpa OST is good background music for job hunting, it matches the depressing and hopeless mood

[signal jewel]

mid level is like 2-3 yrs?

and junior is 1-2? lmao

[ornate cliff]

Waste of time you're competing with seniors

[signal jewel]

isnt that just entry level

[ornate cliff]

You have USA passport?

[pallid kernel]

it takes two years for that to go through at this rate

[ornate cliff]

All the sudden I'm bi curious

[pallid kernel]

ive actually been looking into it

since my fiance is american and im trying to get a green card

[ornate cliff]

Facts

[pallid kernel]

but with current visa processing its taking 2 years

[ornate cliff]

Holy fuck... What about green card?

[pallid kernel]

thats the same thing, 2 years

[ornate cliff]

That's faster?

Omg

[signal jewel]

simplify has both separate filters. trust me. lol

[pallid kernel]

thats why im trying to get an american job to sponsor me so we can live together earlier than 2 years

[narrow harbor]

I can't wait for the day I secure a job, I know that shits gonna happen soon

[pallid kernel]

but it looks like thats not happening

[ornate cliff]

Where does Simplify get job posts from?

I don't trust

[rain patio]

Simplify is decent

[ornate cliff]

LinkedIn faster

[rain patio]

I look for jobs and apply directly on their site tho

[signal jewel]

do they just not scrap?

[ornate cliff]

I see I see

[signal jewel]

lets join sde team at simplify and see. lol

[pallid kernel]

maybe i havent been getting OAs because i check the "do not want to answer" box for if i have a disibility or not

[grizzled bronze]

No, it's the current market

[pallid kernel]

also i just installed simplify and holy shit filling out workday applications isnt a pain in the ass anymore

[grizzled bronze]

well we're approaching August

[vital meteor]

Just hodl

[signal jewel]

eye sight should also be considered as disabled fr 😭

[rain patio]

Make sure u hit no to disabilities, my dumbass was putting down yes cause impaired vision freshman year 😂

[pallid kernel]

but then again ifthey want more diversity hires they might want to hire someone who's more disabled

[signal jewel]

Rope.exe

[rain patio]

Nah diversity hire comes from the Hispanic/black part

[narrow harbor]

those disability/gender/race things have no affect on hiring what so ever lmao

[signal jewel]

fr???

[autumn iris]

gender does

ur more likely to get an interview if ur a girl

[rain patio]

Let me cope with my conspiracies

[autumn iris]

also not indian/chinese

[narrow harbor]

LMAO sorry my b

[pallid kernel]

im a girl

[autumn iris]

[pulsar mural]

[fallen fox]

[signal jewel]

i identify as transparent... who/where

[autumn iris]

[rain patio]

Qualcomm trying to shill me into taking their AI course 💀

Do I do it

[vital meteor]

Do you wear programming socks

[autumn iris]

wats qualcomm

wait

wtf is an ai course

[narrow harbor]

actually i have no idea if those gender/race/diability things have an affect on hring

i got no source

[lyric sparrow]

Does it make them more likely to give an offer 😭

[grizzled bronze]

Waste of time, grind leetcode

[autumn iris]

Waste of time, grind leetcode

[vital meteor]

There are programs like meta university that mention underrepresented groups though

[rain patio]

deadass abt to take it just to get rejected from them

[autumn iris]

it literally says

checkout on the bottom

they r selling a product

[lyric sparrow]

They said it's free on the top

[rain patio]

Surely that discount code covers the cost

[autumn iris]

free beta

idk AI courses are honestly a waste of time

[rain patio]

Yeah I don’t see myself learning anything or gaining anything

[autumn iris]

most AI/ML courses i seen

taken most of the math out

basically explaining it in layman terms to people

[rain patio]

Bro is a colonizer

[obsidian crater]

I'm black too based on that

[trail tundra]

Just say mixed race

[signal jewel]

im related to elon musk. since we are all related

[ornate cliff]

I always answer two or more races

It's true

[raw plank]

im black and it doesnt do anything

[grizzled cipher]

how long do people usually wait before giving an interview and getting an offer

[fallen fox]

i'll let you know when that happens

[obsidian crater]

ngmi

[fallen fox]

[obsidian crater]

used goods channel

expired

[fallen fox]

🪢

[signal jewel]

Can someone review this pls? #1134356503403450378 message

[obsidian crater]

rename to ngmi channel

pain

[rain patio]

Dude

[signal jewel]

sounds trauma

[rain patio]

DRW OA was pretty easy and then I get rejected next day 💀

life diff

No sponsorship

[obsidian crater]

lang?

[marble ivy]

java

[rain patio]

I forgot that stuff

[obsidian crater]

I mean the other options don't make any sense

Idk lol

What company is this for?

CAANG Sr. Eng is here

[fallen fox]

nvm

[cloud zinc]

Is it vital to understand big data in this job market?

[solemn kite]

am i dumb or all of them are valid

i mean it's weird as to why adding two ints would produce a double but it's technically a valid overload

[cloud zinc]

thanks to my ass-backwards university, I am unable to enroll in a cloud computing course, which was something I mentioned in my admission application. While google claims there is some sort of relationship between cloud development and big data, I'm not sure if learning more about this topic would be useful or just some pipeline to data analytics

[solemn kite]

what do you mean by "study cloud computing"? You could do one of those AWS certs and gain pretty foundational knowledge about cloud stuff. But a lot of people on Reddit say (and I agree) that a lot of it is already gained through work experience.

If you mean you want theoretical knowledge about distributed systems, then those would be the courses to target.

Cloud development can be used for big data analytics. It can be used for a lot of other things. Would studying big data topics help you get more specialized data analytics/data science roles? Sure. Would it help you in a typical software engg role? Not really

[cloud zinc]

gotcha

[solemn kite]

There are some big data courses like data warehousing/big data analytics that are good topics to have under your belt though

since all companies obv have a lot of data to deal with and understanding how it's organized is useful (though not essential to get a full time role)

[bold pier]

Feeling sadge today, all my roommates finally moved out. End of grad school experience

[wispy mason]

Is there a limit on the number of hours that you can work on in opt? I heard there's a limit of 40 hours/per week. Is this true? Where can I verify this

[solemn kite]

looks like you can, based on these university websites https://www.google.com/search?q=can+you+work+overtime+on+opt&oq=can+you+work+overtime+on+opt

[rain patio]

On the payslip, maybe it is

But what can you do what your manager ask you do extra

[solemn kite]

probably just ask your university international students office to confirm

studying system design stuff is actually so interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5n85GRKuzk finally understood wtf sharding is

[verbal ore]

When you poop and fart

[rain patio]

When u fart and piece of dookie comes out

[swift falcon]

hello darkness my old friend