2023_grads

[obsidian crater]

I do know some react

I have it on my resume

doxx

[fair zephyr]

lmao

[signal jewel]

loml

[fair zephyr]

yaml

[obsidian crater]

🪢

[rain patio]

Wot

[obsidian crater]

huh

You will though

Because your IP is 127.0.0.1

I'm showing up

Bro my aunt is principal at AT&T

She told me to put skills last

I don't know this world anymore

lol

[fair zephyr]

yea thats whatever

[pine topaz]

ask mom for referal

problem sovled

[obsidian crater]

ngmi

[signal jewel]

ngmi

[fallen fox]

🪢

[obsidian crater]

I can add more skills I guess

[arctic orchid]

I have cloud practioner lol

[obsidian crater]

Cause I know some react and shit

[fair zephyr]

f sure add react

[fallen fox]

add rope

https://pypi.org/project/rope/

[obsidian crater]

hahah

[fair zephyr]

lowkey

[obsidian crater]

lol yeah

my aunt told me to put jenkins

[fair zephyr]

yea do it

[obsidian crater]

just google it she said

[signal jewel]

lol. just google?

[signal jewel]

loll

[obsidian crater]

based

[fair zephyr]

yea maybe not during it

maybe do it before lol

[obsidian crater]

yeah wel

I didn't know what agile was during an interview

so I just talked about how waterfall is bad

[fair zephyr]

LOL

[obsidian crater]

so they gave me the job

[fair zephyr]

thats all u need to know bby

waterfall bad

[obsidian crater]

later they were like "sorry man we can only hire citizens/gc"

🪢

[rain patio]

Pretty colors??

I agree with bolding

[fair zephyr]

ok you also have an internship at twilio

tho

[arctic orchid]

This doesn't look that good tbh

[rain patio]

Rng bro it’s rng

[fair zephyr]

yea but at the same time twilio internship is massive

[arctic orchid]

thats cracked

[fair zephyr]

i failed their final round

!

[arctic orchid]

was this before the great layoff?

[signal jewel]

wait how do u do that?

[arctic orchid]

good shit

[obsidian crater]

I applied to an SWE 1 job that looked cool

It's frontend

ngmi

[vital meteor]

I'm still at ahoy stage with twilio

[obsidian crater]

Ahoy is a team?

yeah his resume is cracked af

[arctic orchid]

You have so many dif tech used

[fair zephyr]

wait r u usually supposed to list sde 1 and then sde 2 at the same company

[arctic orchid]

kind of crazy everything from contiainers front end frameworks, cloud

mf has kuber fucking netes

[fair zephyr]

LOL

[arctic orchid]

Ye i wanna be roasted

[fair zephyr]

the typos lol

[arctic orchid]

Bob maybe you should make it more narrow

for specifc roles

[fair zephyr]

ur chilling tho u still have your curr job as backup

[arctic orchid]

Idk how true it is but having too many languages or technologies and stuff not stated in the job description can back fire

[obsidian crater]

I wanna see bing chilling's resume

no shot bing chilling can't get an FT job

[fair zephyr]

just keep applying when market gets better

[obsidian crater]

no shot

I don't think I remember

[fair zephyr]

oh sry abt that

resume solid tho

[obsidian crater]

get me into Loo and I will get us both into Jane Street

[arctic orchid]

I personally do that

You def qualify for some DE roles too

with Snowflake and AWS

thats a pretty lethal combo

[fair zephyr]

you have no idea i had google final round by them sliding into my inbox when market was booming and I had no LC and failed it

i will never forgive myself

[obsidian crater]

[fair zephyr]

she got laid off

you shouldve tried at least

like me

[rain patio]

Apple hit me up in March after applying in august💀

[fair zephyr]

and failed rlly hard

[obsidian crater]

you got JS phone?

[marble ivy]

there’s some ex revature ppl at the company i’m at, like their contract got bought out by the company so they r fulltime now

[fair zephyr]

I literally had bloomberg come to my campus and ask me to interview and i failed their hiring manager round after passing 3 technicals

[obsidian crater]

ngl 2-3 year cooldown is insane

[fair zephyr]

JS is dream frfr

ayo

we seen that

[signal jewel]

how do you know that you got banned? lol

[vital meteor]

Js is too far I would be happy with linkedin or airbnb

[fallen fox]

[signal jewel]

you cant as well apply with a different mail id?

[fair zephyr]

r/confessions tim

[fair zephyr]

oh yea ofc lol any of those r dreams

[arctic orchid]

Whats work life balance even like at quant firms ?

[signal jewel]

thats sad

[obsidian crater]

not amazing iirc

[arctic orchid]

is it basically nonexistent?

[fair zephyr]

change your legal name?

[obsidian crater]

quant is 50-70 hours a week I think

but 400K tc

[rain patio]

I wanna pretend it’s like the wolf of Wall Street but I imagine it’s really bad

[arctic orchid]

I feel like you have to probably work befor the market opens

[signal jewel]

wtf lol

[arctic orchid]

and probably even after

[fair zephyr]

jeez tough crowd

[arctic orchid]

I've been doing OAs

just curious

Lol i've landed offers buddy

maybe not QUANT but offer nevertheless

[rain patio]

Amazon is hit or miss

mainly miss

[arctic orchid]

AWS would be dream

[rain patio]

depends on the service imo

[fair zephyr]

wlb can be really ass there

ive heard

[arctic orchid]

Yeah def does but working on that tech would be insane

[rain patio]

3 yrs at AWS is crazy

[obsidian crater]

the prestige is 400K

[rain patio]

Avoiding PIP and URA

[obsidian crater]

tc is 200

[fair zephyr]

and hair loss

[arctic orchid]

Its crazy how far behind other cloud providers are

[fair zephyr]

true actually nvm

i want aws

[rain patio]

jassy will drop ng apps after earnings call trust

[fair zephyr]

oncall is prolly bad there too

[raw plank]

thats the goal

[dense portal]

Does anyone know anyone hiring for L3 SWE in Google?
I have had it marked clear except my recruiter is on a long vacation. I'm on visa so time is important. Will appreciate any help.

[rain patio]

SLA for which company?

[vital meteor]

L3 is like dead rn, alot of people waiting to match

[autumn iris]

Google interview process is long af

[fair zephyr]

r u sure?

im p sure its coding assessment and then final

[obsidian crater]

ngmi rope it's over

I'm gonna LDAR

[autumn iris]

[rain patio]

oh ye enterprise customers have like 15 min expectations

[dense portal]

I'm stuck at team matching

[vital meteor]

I've been stuck for a year bro it's joever

[dense portal]

Google discord? Where can I find

[vital meteor]

I worked at aws

[fair zephyr]

wdym whos getting google

[autumn iris]

Just apply

[hidden scaffold]

Does anyone lie about gpa? I am starting to wonder whats the point of not lying when half of these companies do not even verify your gpa

[fair zephyr]

i dont include it

yea if its bad dont include it

and thats it

[hidden scaffold]

Well I am talking about for applications that require you to put your gpa on it

[vital meteor]

If you lie and it did matter you are fucked when they verify

[fallen fox]

just html edit unoffical if they ask

if they ask for official then rope

if ure international then you cant edit anyway

h1b requires official transcripts

[hidden scaffold]

smart idea

[fair zephyr]

risk for no reason

like actual no reason

[fallen fox]

i dont put my gpa on my resume

[hidden scaffold]

To get a job? Wym

[fair zephyr]

ok do it then

lol

know the risks and if you still wanna do it

[obsidian crater]

fk it man

[fair zephyr]

its on u

[obsidian crater]

I'm moving to Amazon CA

Amazon China

996 me

[fallen fox]

9-9-7?

[obsidian crater]

999

[fair zephyr]

i wanna join an amazonian tribe in south america

tho they prolly have an OA at this point idk

[obsidian crater]

you have to get stung by fire ants

🧢

[arctic orchid]

@median thistle won't approve need an offer from one first or you're not a human

I thought it was quant offer or die

[vital meteor]

You should be worrying about getting any job forget about quant

[arctic orchid]

is it just me or is everyone learning react all of the sudden

[fair zephyr]

i mean its used p much everywhere so i wouldnt be surprised

[cloud zinc]

is orientation generally required for grad students or not?

I've been asking three different resources in my uni this question and have yet to receive an answer since 1pm

the timing of everything sucks because the more I wait for any additional steps, the more they jack up plane ticket prices

[grizzled bronze]

If not August, then September

[swift falcon]

i'm learning react and realize that I'm not even close to being job ready with it

[grizzled bronze]

June and July people were amateurs

[swift falcon]

bruh I can't stand another 6 months at my job

[grizzled bronze]

then it's time to do a Masters and internship

[swift falcon]

not even 3 months

I can't be doing another holiday season

so u think, like in a week, job postings will pick up?

IT

[grizzled bronze]

In a week or two

or some more

[swift falcon]

what is the reasoning for that though?

and why not now?

[grizzled bronze]

More of the new grad listings usually happen closer to fall

companies also have a better idea of headcount after intern conversions and such

[fair zephyr]

how long u been there for

[swift falcon]

6+ years

[fair zephyr]

damn wtf

[arctic orchid]

I’ll be real last year there were a lot more new grad postings

People also forget that soem of the first people to go were HR who do all the hiring

[cloud zinc]

I will break some champaigne if the new grad job market recovers in August or October

Not like it'll happen with how limited these positions have shown up throughout the years

[pine topaz]

is august is for 24 pipeline....

@grizzled bronze

my fortune teller

tell me

[grizzled bronze]

Depends, some companies will not accept May 2023 grads, some will though

Hakuna matata! It means no worries, because we're all gonna make it

[pine topaz]

IT DOSENT MATTER IF U DONT HAVE 10 YOE U AINT GETING HIRED

[grizzled bronze]

which one do you recommend

[pine topaz]

we wouldve been in a beter position if we did code bootcamp instead of uni

could have like 4 yoe rn

[grizzled bronze]

Sucks to be a Bootcamper right now

[narrow harbor]

pivot where?

[grizzled bronze]

Give September a chance too

[narrow harbor]

id say give the rest of the year a chance

[grizzled bronze]

this, because August is when listings are just getting started, more of them start coming up throughout fall

[worthy aspen]

anyone attending the aws summit tomorrow in nyc?

[bold pier]

what summit

are registration still open?

Also, daily check in with my doomer gang

[autumn jolt]

Be positive, think positive

wagmi

[raw plank]

Idk if I want to go back to being a wagie or trying to live with 6 roommates

But I want to start living my life too

[swift falcon]

OH GOD PLEASEEEEEEE

I will simply perish if I get rejected for this position.

[wraith yew]

Good luck!

[tawny loom]

Good luck!

[obsidian crater]

what corp?

good luck

[swift falcon]

Still FlexTrade been like a month and a half since I applied

[obsidian crater]

they just ghosted me

[west pagoda]

Did decent across 4 stages, total 9 hours plus all the prep time for a reputed tech company, only for the company to ghost me for over a month now

Wtf am I even doing in this field 🥲

[solemn kite]

i got ghosted by a company over a month ago, and they recently reached out to me about the next round lmao

[vague furnace]

did anyone apply to Etsy? https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/search/?currentJobId=3675248390&f_C=67849&originToLandingJobPostings=3675248390%2C3673993871%2C3674693620%2C3675315447%2C3675249027%2C3645151445%2C3675244928

I wonder if they posted that job on accident, I get a 404 now when I try to click on Apply

I was able to apply while it was still up tho, and with a referral lol. hope they're looking for NGs :/

[obsidian crater]

Frontend

🤮

[vague furnace]

Anyone here considering becoming a CS teacher? Getting frustrated by the market and I’m debating whether to get my teaching license instead, while the market gets better

Making some money > no money…right? My old school district has part time positions bc CS is an elective so I’m consider doing that while Leetcoding 🤔

[potent lava]

That sounds like a pretty decent idea! Also I don’t think it would look bad to recruiters because you can frame it as wanting to give back to your community. Just my opinion though

[rain patio]

Get masters become adjunct professor

[vague furnace]

I have a friend who got into Google recently after only being a CS teacher fulltime post-college. So that’s why I’m considering doing the same 🤔

[vague furnace]

Honestly, I don’t wanna go for my masters yet lol, no money for that.

[rain patio]

yuh it’s additional debt for me as well but my school has a nice research -> masters -> professor pipeline

[solemn kite]

this is so shady yall

look at his email 💀

also have no idea when i applied to this

[arctic orchid]

Probably scammer

It’s happened to me a couple times

[fallen fox]

@gmail

[raw plank]

Fuck it I’ll do the interview for you

My first final interview stage

[solemn kite]

he sent me a 20-question questionnaire to fill out that i don't have the time to do today so i'm not doing this anyway

[fresh mango]

Bro apple has like a million positions but does anyone hear back or is it just 1/1000 chance?

[bold pier]

yeah it's a very long drawn out scam

[arctic orchid]

Def a scam literally happened to me before such a waste of time

Referrals get handed out like candy at Apple

I’m pretty sure if you get referred once it applies to all positions can anyone confirm?

[vague furnace]

I hear back a lot lol. I have worked for Apple doing customer support, plus I have 4 diff iOS internships, so my resume usually makes it thru screenings

[vague furnace]

The furthest I made it in was 3 interviews for one of the teams, Depending on the engineer(interviewer), sometimes they’ll give u trick questions.

It’s a big toss-up how your interviews go, teams decide how to interview. Could be Leetcode, knowledge based, trick questions, etc

[sterile vapor]

does anyone code in c/c++?

[jade rain]

I can have a look

[sterile vapor]

okay i will dm you

[rain patio]

I can’t read nvm

[obsidian crater]

Calling it C/C++ is an L

[bold pier]

SQL/CSS

[autumn jolt]

Python/Power Point

[fallen fox]

rope/cope

[grizzled bronze]

conduent /

[split igloo]

any 23 new grad down for yacht house music party in nyc this Friday?

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/ocean-rave-house-music-boat-party-mega-yacht-infinity-tickets-622037199007

[fallen fox]

imagine being employed and having money to go to parties

🪢

[signal jewel]

now stop imagining

[shut crescent]

yall ready for the economy to get even more fucked after they raise interest rates

[obsidian crater]

yes

[arctic orchid]

everythings been priced in

we knew rates were going to increase

[obsidian crater]

ngmi I need a startup idea

only way to not be poor

[arctic orchid]

just work for free for a start up

[swift falcon]

thats like 20 years tho

[pine topaz]

🫡

[swift falcon]

jfc

I gotta pay $250 to go to some conference for devs

even with a 50% off coupon that’s still $125 bucks for the possibility that I might make some connections and network?

[pine topaz]

you might meet ur wife there

or likely a bunch of dudes with long hair

[swift falcon]

why would she go there? then it would be another $150

[pine topaz]

congratualions on ur marrige

[arctic orchid]

what conference is it?

I went to one recently in SF very very worth it

[swift falcon]

u got a job?

its devcon in m’waukee

[arctic orchid]

No job but you def make a lot of strong connects

[arctic orchid]

I say go for it if you can i feel like its always worth the upside make sure you're interested in what the speakers have to say too

A lot of people go to these by themselves i did the same and hungout with an instagram engineer who worked on threads among other people

[swift falcon]

do you bring a resume or sth?

[arctic orchid]

Just a laptop

[arctic orchid]

Definetly don't treat it like a career fair

Techcrunch disrupt tho

[solemn spire]

The title tho lmao

[obsidian crater]

That's just a scam lol

They make you pay for training

[narrow harbor]

will getting a job as a systems analyst pigeonhole my career

[modest acorn]

I get those emails all the time

[fair zephyr]

kinda if u stay there too long i think

try to switch asap if thats not what u like

[shut crescent]

just you wait its going to get even worse

[bold pier]

Even if they don't make you pay they will make you sign a bond for year and a half
Source: I got an offer from one of these

[raw plank]

[tight shard]

Welp that’s my queue, switching fields for sure then

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[tight shard]

Already a terrible dev at my internship so 😅
Didn’t need a lot

[obsidian crater]

no

didn't you graduate already?

how can you intern after graduating?

[fair zephyr]

sofi return is phat tc no?

no 400k is alright

200k is mid tho u right

[grizzled bronze]

Would you want to move to either of those locations

Seattle is the best option out of those

[obsidian crater]

not bad

[rain patio]

whoever said that is faded

[obsidian crater]

200K is mid though

you haven't made it in life until 2 bil

NW

Honestly at that point

Doesn't make a difference lol

[grizzled bronze]

@median thistle choose remote Seattle and then live in Texas like a King

[obsidian crater]

Are you a dude?

[grizzled bronze]

same, I would go to Seattle for lower TC

rather than accept Texas

[obsidian crater]

Seattle is a sausage fest

Yahkuna is a girl

[lost ether]

Yakhuna is a cat

[grizzled bronze]

now kith

[obsidian crater]

https://tenor.com/view/pallas-pallas-cat-manul-cat-gif-20906933

[swift falcon]

I thought yakuna was a dude

[obsidian crater]

||He is||

[swift falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-leaving-turning-around-no-gif-21361019

[obsidian crater]

Caterpillar's NG SWE app link disappeared on their website

Did they cancel?

[grizzled bronze]

It's going, expecting some action next month

No I mean in general

I don't have anything at Amazon

nope

in the past I interned there

[obsidian crater]

guys

ngmi it seems

was nice knowing y'all

[grizzled bronze]

Anywhere and everywhere

[obsidian crater]

DN

[vital meteor]

[mystic vine]

How is getting a job in the market looking like rn? I haven’t applied to any in almost 2 months

[obsidian crater]

terrible

[shut thistle]

can I as well?

I thought you did

[solemn spire]

I thought you had a role

[sullen hull]

The market isn't really open for interns/new grads at the moment

[solemn spire]

what year are you bro

the remote position was intern?

[cerulean basin]

You can only use this command in 2022_winter_intern_process, 2022_summer_intern_process, 2022_grad_process, 2022_fall_intern_process, 2023_summer_intern_process, 2024_summer_intern_process, 2023_winter_intern_process, 2023_fall_intern_process, 2023_grad_process

You can only use this command in 2022_winter_intern_process, 2022_summer_intern_process, 2022_grad_process, 2022_fall_intern_process, 2023_summer_intern_process, 2024_summer_intern_process, 2023_winter_intern_process, 2023_fall_intern_process, 2023_grad_process

[fair zephyr]

wdym before theyre gone

its so good

that it will never be gone

its just infinite

[mystic vine]

Dec 2022 grad

300+ applications only 1 interview

[wispy mason]

Are you international?

[static quarry]

job market is great rn

lots of replies and interviews

[fallen fox]

[static quarry]

[vital meteor]

I have 3 offers from rope companies

[autumn iris]

go do more leetcode

[static quarry]

just do blind 75 and you should be good!

i love these tik tokers who say to get a swe job do leetcode

[autumn iris]

[static quarry]

Mfer we cant even get interviews

[pulsar mural]

:PepeSmug:

[static quarry]

@pulsar mural stupid gatto

@mint badge come get ur cat

[ornate cliff]

dm me

[autumn iris]

made a ton of progress with AWS practice exams today

2 sections 100% so far

[autumn iris]

they dont exist anymore

its just people dooming about layoffs

but i think people actually underestimate the number of people who can do leetcode well in the first place

its very boring

[mint badge]

not my cat. he is homeless useless cat.

[pulsar mural]

@hy

@mint badge

[mint badge]

@pulsar mural

[autumn iris]

prob taking the exam next week

then back 2 studying+ more grinding

[mint badge]

u know that cat scared of dog right? @pulsar mural

[rain patio]

recruiters look at my profile but don’t connect ☹️

ngmi

[ornate cliff]

fuck them

[rain patio]

everything is rng bro

Im guessing you followed back and still no response?

[vital meteor]

Maybe he was looking for a delivery driver

[rain patio]

I’d press him

and then find his address and show up as a delivery man

drop off ur resume in person

[vital meteor]

Dasher to SWE pipeline

[static quarry]

NOOOOO

so mean

[hoary fern]

add to resume auto pass resume screening bc they see doordash

make the role names rly small in ur resume

nah apply to other companies that arent doordash

auto resume screen see doordash prestige gets to human and u get interview for other experiences that might not have big name

👍👍👍

[narrow harbor]

have you tried applying to like analyst jobs? i been applying to random business/system/operations/data analyst job that require just a bs degree in stem and have been getting good call backs

x analyst entry level or just analyst

on indeed

[rain patio]

Will delaying gradaution to Spring give me any advantage at all?

[narrow harbor]

pay isnt that great compared to swe but could be used as a stepping stone to swe or just good interview practice

[narrow harbor]

if you manage to secure an internship that givesu return offers i think

[arctic orchid]

I feel like it just buys you time

what would you be doing if you graduated early?

[rain patio]

applying to jobs

[solemn kite]

it does buy you leetcode prep time

[rain patio]

grad school probably, if i get a job I plan to do it online

[arctic orchid]

yeha i feel like internship is a better move

but delaying to fall

[rain patio]

I grad Dec 2023 but can’t delay any further :/

[narrow harbor]

also depends too if you're paying for your tuition or not

[rain patio]

I'm hoping Zon gives me return offer but it looks pretty bad now

[rain patio]

aws or amazon?

Amazon Retail

[arctic orchid]

lets all get masters in speech pathology

then shit on cs sophomores who barely just took dsa

[rain patio]

I’m guessing u guys will know in sept as well then

Yeah they said they will give me incline but have to wait a month or two

[arctic orchid]

not a bad plan lowkey 😂

like could you still qaulify if you go software internships

if your masters is in something not so related?

[rain patio]

prob

some of those guys have gotten offers rescinded

[arctic orchid]

i heard its hard

[rain patio]

my school masters program only research oriented

someone in that discord said they lost there offer

So if the Org has HC, they will get offers?

At which Level of organization is HC decided?

[arctic orchid]

wait are you guys saying orgs do headcount after the interns get there return offers?

and then they decide what the number they want to target for new grads?

[rain patio]

But then why didn't fall or winter interns get an offer? Was hiring totally freezed then?

[arctic orchid]

thats a really good take i feel like people dont bring this up enough

[rain patio]

Oh it was external new grad on waitlist I read wrong

Zon did lay off a lot of new grads recently

thats sad

really?

[arctic orchid]

side note anyone got good dynamic programming resources

I've been stuck on certain concepts

[rain patio]

1d or 2d

[arctic orchid]

both....

[rain patio]

Do the LC study plan it has the patterns on there

Usually there is a common template

[arctic orchid]

ok thanks

Dont bring this up enough**

everyone has ML and AI projects these

days

and can seemingly qualify for those roles

[rain patio]

Does school prestige matter?

[arctic orchid]

Yeah even in AI and ML people who study don't really have a mastery in the whole domain just specifc algorithms and models

At least thats my understanding of it from my CMU masters frined

Is it risky to be highly specialized in SWE tho?

like you could hypothethically pigeon hole yourself a little

I feel like its a bit of a gamble to an extent

like you're kind of betting on what skills will be in higher demand later on

But these days it seems like they want you to know everything under the sun

I think true DEs are going to be in such high demand

[hoary fern]

whats de

[arctic orchid]

all these models need proper pipelines that scale

Data engineering

[split igloo]

maybe cuz its master?

I think Bachelor is like a real deal

[arctic orchid]

Yeah probably

[rain patio]

It wasn't a few years ago

[arctic orchid]

bachelors at CMU looks like hell i know someone else who goes there for a BS in CS

Shes went to those high schools where they teach you compiler desgin

and she had internships in high school

shes like getting cooked

basically those private bay area schools where they prime your kids for CS

Its fucked can't tell whats a wishlist and whats not

[split igloo]

I have an impression of only master degree from prestigious institution feels like monetizing their brand name ngl, unless ppl have their bachelor from the same school

[arctic orchid]

Its mostly a really good way for internationals to get into the US

[split igloo]

smth like cash cow, kinda sad. education got capitalized

all hail communism 🔥

[arctic orchid]

Yeah sounds about right

I think people are just now forced to try harder too

becasue theres a higher demand for more skills

[rain patio]

Not true. Market was way better, so many people got jobs. Now, barely anyone does

[arctic orchid]

Everyone learning or knows JS now

It was already really popular

[split igloo]

maybe problem is everyone is too entitled to get easy 6 figure jobs or smth

with degree in CS

[arctic orchid]

but now everyone whos half competive has react and js under their belt

regardless i think this is good for us long term

I think its the markets way of triming the fat

[rain patio]

True, this will probably stop lots of morons trying to major in CS

[arctic orchid]

and washing a bit of this CS hype

[hoary fern]

the tiktokers

[rain patio]

Bruh I still see tiktoks of ppl saying SWE is ez 200k

[hoary fern]

maybe u all shud switch to tiktok

👍🔥

[arctic orchid]

I feel attacked...

What would you say are the skills needed on top of that

[rain patio]

How much is one supposed to learn in 4 years of studying with no actual experience building anything?

[split igloo]

use bunch of buzzwords to@cash out VC wallet 🔥

join startup for ez money then dip

[rain patio]

Where do u work at rn

[arctic orchid]

you're literally chirsy

[split igloo]

let’s marry someone who makes 7 figures and raise childs. thats my dream

[hoary fern]

what bars are u all going to recently

[arctic orchid]

im was still listening not to sound impatient tho

[pine topaz]

my gf @pulsar mural wont allow me to go to bars because shes afraid ppl will flirt with me

[hoary fern]

it means ur too sexy

[pine topaz]

but i want to go to bars

[hoary fern]

get a fake wedding ring

👍🔥

[pine topaz]

oh thank u so much!!!

[hoary fern]

np np

[arctic orchid]

Whats the fooking matter with ya 🤌🏻

[pulsar mural]

yo

[arctic orchid]

naw i had a friend go through 7 rounds for an internship

only to get denied

this was like 2018ish?

[hoary fern]

what year was this lmao

[arctic orchid]

if you had 50wpm

[shadow pecan]

@trail tundra it’s spreading

[arctic orchid]

you were a 10x developer

[trail tundra]

i stole it from marriage pact guy

[arctic orchid]

thanks dad this means so much

[fair zephyr]

yo what do i apply for w 1 yoe? new grad or sde 2 or what>

[rain patio]

Idk why Amazon even thought that was a good idea
Really irresponsible hiring

[rain patio]

Need people to pip to make L10’s happy!

[arctic orchid]

I screenshotted this thanks again

tbh shit was more boring anyways

now theres far more value in landing a position

and engineers are becoming better

I feel like im doing far better work these days

[wispy mason]

Guys I see a few more posting from big companies today

Does this mean the markets getting better omg

[trail tundra]

for me i know what i did wrong

[hoary fern]

where

[wispy mason]

LinkedIn

Not for new grads tho

But maybe they will soon for new grad I'm hoping

Like even Amazon is posting stuff

[rain patio]

I think companies are still hiring mid-level / senior engineers so that's nothing new

[fallen fox]

no faang ng until next year

they laid way too many people off recently

[arctic orchid]

I heard a rumor about that too^

I’m sure a lot of S&P 500 will need to hire still tho

[grizzled bronze]

Conduent still hiring though

[fallen fox]

oh no ev0s is typing

knew it

[arctic orchid]

Theyre tech infrastructure is still a bit behind probably

Revature

[hoary fern]

👍

👍

👍

[rain patio]

Now someone needs to send that conduent faang meme

[wispy mason]

Wait so everyone's getting replies from conduent?

[hoary fern]

anyone saw the ufo news today

ty

[pine topaz]

simpler times....

real

[autumn jolt]

any SREs/ex-SREs here? Need help to crack an upcoming interview

[raw plank]

Yes so we can die for our peers working as SWEs making 6 figures

My friends with jobs legit suggested this to me

[autumn jolt]

it's a startup not very big. Are you thee SRE guy?

ohh cool cool..can I dm you? need suggestions what to prepare for the interview

gotcha making a list

ou nice. can I dm you?

[tardy geode]

bruh feds are on crack

[shut thistle]

but he did mention no recession

[tardy geode]

you believe that ?

[shut thistle]

he is the creator of the game

he might know the rules

[trail tundra]

no tell me

[arctic orchid]

All I’m saying is nobody really sees coming recession

They normally kind of happen and surprise everyone

[bold pier]

Any good news today friends?

[vital meteor]

[bold pier]

ok I'll go first, I am one more day closer to roping so that's nice

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-cat-pain-big-chungus-chungus-gif-20705095

[vital meteor]

Hold until Aug 2024

[tardy geode]

bruh moment

[autumn iris]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1133094684772810812.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

[fallen fox]

[wraith yew]

[pulsar mural]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1133094684772810812.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

[pine topaz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1133094684772810812.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

[swift falcon]

proof a cover letter doesn’t matter

[raw plank]

maybe ur cover letter was cringe

[potent mason]

just got an offer rescinded after trying to negotiate 😅

[solemn kite]

Wait wtf thats crazy

I've never heard of offers being rescinded for that reason though. That's ridiculous

[potent mason]

I do have another it’s just usually companies will just say no

[solemn kite]

The worst they can tell you should always be "no, we cant pay you that"

Yeah no this is hella out of line tbh

Employees are always expected to negotiate. And you should know your value

[grizzled bronze]

That's dumb of them, which company?

Glad you have another offer

[potent mason]

Yea kinda ridiculous and I was rlly gnna choose them, but ig I dodged a bullet if they’re gnna be like that

[spark bay]

you should anonymously post about it on their company glassdoor or levels.fyi

[potent mason]

A small government contracting company, TDA

[solemn kite]

Companies will lowball on purpose to keep costs low. A lot of people don't realize how much they can and should push for

[solemn kite]

Yeah you should

Yhis is the first time im hearing an offer be rescinded for that tbh

[spark bay]

its negotiating- not coercion 😐

[solemn kite]

That's crazy

[grizzled bronze]

That sucks, negotiating is supposed to be fun

[spark bay]

you're kidding me

[potent mason]

I didn’t even ask for a crazy increase it was like 7-8% and was rlly polite about it lol

[spark bay]

😰 why would they do this

[solemn kite]

Yeah exactly. Rescinding for that reason feels punitive - like "how dare you ask for more, peasant? Off with your head "

[grizzled bronze]

Wtf, I wouldn't have expected it from Google

[spark bay]

yeah, so what you're saying is it might be the meta now to accept entry level roles at face value (or try and negotiate the weaker salaried position higher if you recieve multiple offers, since nothing ventured = nothing gained)

and then negotiate at mid/senior level roles since you'll have more leverage/experience

good to know

[fair zephyr]

wait how does that dialogue even go?

yo can i be paid more

[spark bay]

fair enough, that's their prerogative.

[fair zephyr]

no, in fact we are rescinding ur offer

[pine topaz]

what happened

[fair zephyr]

like how does the dialogue go

[pine topaz]

bruhh

when i own a company like yahkuanzon, im gona give out fake offers and rescind them despite emoployees not negotiating

[spark bay]

yeah I think it'll make more sense in the future when the competition bottoms out

the higher & more specialized your skills = the more leverage you have as an employee to negotiate

[potent mason]

it was a associate software developer role and tc was 65k how was i not going to negotiate😭

[fair zephyr]

wait im super curious how was the wording of how they rescinded after ur nego attempt

[spark bay]

well if cost of living was decent enough that would be fine to start out with, you could always start another cycle of interviews at other companies in 6-12mo. I've seen people go from that salary to the promised six digits in several years, its not impossible

[grizzled bronze]

that company is literally your username 💩

[potent mason]

dear x
TDA has decided to move onto another candidate.

[solemn kite]

Be that as it may, rescinding is jusy very odd. They're willing to go for the second best candidate rather than tell you we can't pay you that much?

[spark bay]

its probably a matter of time, they needed someone in the meatgrinder asap

[grizzled bronze]

lowest I'd go is $75K at Conduent, remote

[spark bay]

I don't know what negotiating says about loyalty per se

the other canidate might have been like good enough for now but im dipping as soon as I get a better offer

[potent mason]

lowkey dodged a bullet tho cuz one of the interviews the lead engineer was straight up yelling at me asking why i wanted this job and why i couldnt start yesterday and shit then asked a gotcha brain teaser at the end💀

[spark bay]

hahaha I'd accept a low offer to start but make my way as soon as a better one presents itself

[pine topaz]

do overmeployed

[spark bay]

sounds like the company was problematic to begin with, feels like you won't have been there long even if you'd accepted their offer

[potent mason]

yea i saw a lot of red flags but with this market ppl r desperate for anything lol

[spark bay]

well best of luck with your other offer(s) and future endeavors. thanks for sharing for the rest of us job-seeking bots so we can learn from your experience

[potent mason]

ofc & i’ve read ab this scenario happening and didn’t think it would happen to me but its def possible! 😅

[grizzled bronze]

Salesforce is hiring graduates with 6 months of experience https://salesforce.wd12.myworkdayjobs.com/en-US/External_Career_Site/job/AMTS--Software-Engineer_JR208172

[fallen fox]

why do companies never mention if internship experience count towards those "6" months

🪢

true 🪢

[fair zephyr]

associate mts

its what they call entry level swes

i think

according to levels

[outer radish]

Thank god u posted this im in that category rn

[fair zephyr]

6 months?

[solemn kite]

Just apply anyway. 6 months is a ridiculously low amount and im sure you qualify if you have that much internship exp in this case

[fallen fox]

true

[solemn kite]

Y'all should just apply to anything you see without counting yourself out before even applying

It's a numbers game

[bold pier]

Yeah, but like BigInt instead of byte now

[solemn kite]

True true. Im just saying because I did notice myself getting more interviews recently and i dont want you guys to lose faith lmao

[fallen fox]

🪢

[solemn kite]

Too much info can be the devil sometimes, bc everyone here knows just as much you about wtf is happening in the job market. Just apply blindly unless it's completely asinine to

[marble ivy]

tysm for that job posting, i hope i hear back

[manic wedge]

bros

i finally got an interview after a 2 month drought 😭

[fallen fox]

even internal recruiters ghost me

🪢

[wispy mason]

Omg whereeeee congrats

[manic wedge]

some ticket management company in NYC. low TC but atp im just happy to hear anything positive

[wispy mason]

I haven't gotten a interview since last summer. Really unmotivating. And losing all hope honestly

Good luck to youuuuu tho

[obsidian crater]

StubHub?

[manic wedge]

ty bro, don’t give up. good things are coming for all of us

[manic wedge]

i wish 💀

[wispy mason]

Do defense companies take international students?

[bold pier]

Their products do take international students (life)

[fallen fox]

imagine getting ghosted by two internal recruiters

maybe i should hard call those mfers

🪢

[rain patio]

I heard back from 1 recruiter today after messaging like 8 lmao

[fallen fox]

true

[bold pier]

I got reached out by a recuiter yesterday, first time after years

earth is healing

lmao you live on newark airport runway or what

[raw plank]

Walk up to their desk and be like hey you ignored my emails haha must have been a mistake haha

[fallen fox]

I did email the recruiter asking him if I had to stay in my current role for a certain amount of time or if I have to inform my manager:

To answer your question, not necessarily. The hiring team is seeking ambitious graduates who have exposure and eager to learn.

You are welcome to apply and not required to notify your hiring manager that you applied.

👻 after

🪢

[obsidian crater]

Conduent ghosts me

Rope time

[raw plank]

Need to chill with the ropes

[narrow harbor]

im gonna sell my soul to revature

[raw plank]

Imagine u get dream offer and u fail background check for doomposting

I got an interview for random local company that requires 3 years of exp

Do I totally lie in the interview or just not show up?

No

[narrow harbor]

do you have 3 years of experience listed on your resume?

[raw plank]

Tbh my first actual dev interview since January im kinda nervous

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/canticos-not-gonna-make-it-not-going-to-make-it-ngmi-were-not-going-to-make-it-gif-25635049

[wispy mason]

What questions do they usually ask in a startup?

For front end positions

😂

[shut thistle]

how? what lie did you put on resume?

[narrow harbor]

and your last cause you're gonna get that offer

[unique bronze]

Amen^

[raw plank]

Idk

No lies

At least, not to this company

[solemn kite]

yeah they inflate how many years of exp they require on job postings all the time. similar thing happened to me. and dw, they've seen your resume, they know how much exp you have, and they think you're a good candidate

best of luck!

[rain patio]

if it’s JS related there’s a couple of YouTube vids with common quwstions

[plush lily]

so what's the 99%

[vivid glacier]

Seeking BA entry level job currently !!! Any references or tips for me guys??

[solemn spire]

Comment it bro. Do ittt

[bold pier]

spoke too fast, call got moved to next week last minute

[autumn iris]

[autumn iris]

i mean kinda true

going through thousands of resumes, giving it to head person if they like it

then scheduling sht

[wet jacinth]

No. Recruiter bad.

[autumn iris]

and its even worse if its 6+ interviews

[rain patio]

I wanna be like that one trucker guy in TikTok

Idk what country bro is from but he’s cooking eggs and shit in his truck

pan frying it from the heat

[autumn iris]

[south sable]

is it still profitable tho?

[narrow harbor]

no time for relationships with anyone if you're driving a truck for your whole day

[rain patio]

have you looked into sys admin/help desk?

usually hiring in the school systems around

it is

there are IT roles in FAANG that u can work in temporarily and hop after either internally or externally

But if ur looking for upwards progression in IT, might as well rope

[arctic orchid]

I disagree a lot with this take I feel like people are always transitioning out of IT helpdesk

You can go into a lot of cloud based roles with the right certs

[fair zephyr]

i mean its def easier to transition from IT ->SWE than min wage job ->SWE lol what

[arctic orchid]

I feel like its equally as hard

why would it be easier

[fair zephyr]

cuz there are specializations within swe that are IT adjacent

[arctic orchid]

if not easier

[fair zephyr]

like SRE

devops

[rain patio]

cloud based roles at aws are all IT/solutions architecture for the most part

[arctic orchid]

Yeah i mean i guess but even in those roles i've heard you had to wear a lot of hats

[rain patio]

Pay is pretty low + wlb is bad + path upwards is hell (they make it seem like adjacent transfer is easier than it is)

[arctic orchid]

I thought SREs get very good pay

[fair zephyr]

they mean IT i think

[rain patio]

Idk abt sre

[arctic orchid]

just have to work weird hours

[fair zephyr]

yea SRE is same pay as SWE for the most part

just bad oncall

[arctic orchid]

yeah forsure that

[fair zephyr]

though depending on the company oncall can be chill or devastating

[arctic orchid]

I mean I started as help desk for a local company when i was in school

I feel like its def helped me transition so far

But still nothing can triumph solid SWE experience

[rain patio]

agreed

[arctic orchid]

Idk my point is don't let yourself think you can get pigeonholed

If your reslient and want it enough you can still make a transition

people make career transitions all the time

[south sable]

I think @arctic orchid is somewhat right but it's just that unexpectedness of life factor that make that transition harder

[vital meteor]

Is it helpdesk direct to sre really that common

[fair zephyr]

i cant imagine it being common

[arctic orchid]

My buddy did helpdesk into SRE at charles schwab

granted it was in school

But generally people don't have CS degrees and software development experience

who are in helpdesk roles

[arctic orchid]

I mean theres always going to be stuff thats out of your control

[arctic orchid]

Its better to ignore the noise and shoot your free throws

A lot better than working at chipotle lol

Ive done both

Help desk > fast food

[rain patio]

Tf working at chipotle is awesome

Free food every 2 hours

[arctic orchid]

I thought the same exact thing

but eat a burrito everyday for lunch

for 2 weeks

and tell me it doesn't get old

[fair zephyr]

bro i do that

and its not even free

[arctic orchid]

but you're a golem so

[fair zephyr]

not wrong

[arctic orchid]

I will say chipotle is a very clean kitchen environment

and the food seems to be decent quality for the price point

so it has my stamp of my apporval of all fast foods

[south sable]

well, i mean that's because you can literally put any food either a bowl or tortilla

[obsidian crater]

I disagree

Little Caesar's is better

Or Dominos

[south sable]

they literally have the most leeway to do make that optimization

[obsidian crater]

$6.99 pizza, >= 2k calories at Little Caesars

Little C's is amazing when you don't have a bitch in your ear whispering how bad it is

we're talking about establishment chains I suppose?

[arctic orchid]

little ceasers will make you fat tho

[obsidian crater]

depends

I burn more than 2k calories a day just by existing

So I can eat a whole pizza everyday and still lose weight

[arctic orchid]

Id rather eat chicken and rice

far more nutrional value there

its not really about calories

[obsidian crater]

agreed

but he said calories/$

[arctic orchid]

Fair enough

[raw plank]

Taco Bell has highest calories per dollar value

[obsidian crater]

I mean

I think coke has the highest in that case

[pine topaz]

Hello

[fair zephyr]

chipotle is goated for lifting imo

[pine topaz]

We will take all the jobs from 24 grads. No longer expired goods

[obsidian crater]

hello bing

[south sable]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-ice-cream-eating-crying-gif-20932572

[fair zephyr]

ye fs

[pine topaz]

august will tell

this will end on august

ur job searhc will end

u will become an entry level dev

i believe in u

[south sable]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-chandler-joey-good-job-great-job-gif-12374537

[arctic orchid]

Its not if you eat to like stay alive tho

and like look good

I feel better when I eat healthier so it for me its worth it

[swift falcon]

oh is we talmbout meal prep?

2 weeks ago I prepped like 32 burritos, like $1.68 each @ 640 cals

last week I prepped 12 lasagna soups for $2.20 each @ 488 cals

might prep some crispy skin on chicken thighs this sunday

not sure yet, but I’ve also lost 10lbs cause I’m counting calories and eating like 1k-1.2k a day

gonna try and just meal prep a bunch each sunday and freeze it, hopefully in like 3-4 weeks Ill have a bunch of healthy choices to choose from for dinner and reduce eating out as well

[marble ivy]

isn’t that rly low? how tall r u

[lyric sparrow]

1k is anorexic vibes 🥲

[obsidian crater]

I think 400

My groceries are ~80 a week and the rest is eating out

You know where I am

I accidently doxxed myself

[wispy mason]

NYC?

[obsidian crater]

I can neither confirm nor deny

I shop exclusively at Aldi

[arctic orchid]

way too much

[obsidian crater]

delete

[arctic orchid]

i need to cook more

[obsidian crater]

LCOL

[rain patio]

Aldi is clutch

[arctic orchid]

Food bank is clutch

[rain patio]

We don’t have those over here ☹️

[obsidian crater]

I currently share a house with some of my friends, so my rent is quite low

[swift falcon]

6’

but im a chungus

[arctic orchid]

easier than the grocery store

[obsidian crater]

I'd say I spend around 1.1K yeah at my old apartment

[arctic orchid]

and its free

[obsidian crater]

horser

[arctic orchid]

jk its reserved for people who actually need it

[obsidian crater]

yeah

[rain patio]

I’m the opposite, I need to gain weight

[arctic orchid]

Wait you're in NY?

[obsidian crater]

not in the city

I'd be lucky to find a dumpster for 1.1K in NYC

[swift falcon]

lucky

[arctic orchid]

Ok gotcha im in orange county

my rent and utilities combined are 1500

[obsidian crater]

LA is basically NYC cost

[lyric sparrow]

I got a one month educative subscription to force myself to be motivated 💀 I hope it lasts

[arctic orchid]

But theres so many shitty parts in LA

LA isn't even close

to NYC

[obsidian crater]

You need a car in LA

[arctic orchid]

San fran and NYC sure

I mean yeah but were talkign rent

[obsidian crater]

rent alone yeah

you can pay $0 on skid row

[arctic orchid]

LA's also huge geographically

like shit spreads out like 30-40 miles

[arctic orchid]

I once volunteered there in high school biggest mistake

[obsidian crater]

There's a song called Sharp Dressed Man by ZZ Top

We should make a song called "High TC Man"

[signal jewel]

thats 30-40 months rent

[obsidian crater]

vanlife sounds bad

I am chronically addicted to the internet, so I need a lot of mobile data

[arctic orchid]

That sounds so miserable

Cars have like no sound proofing

lol

[obsidian crater]

I'm not huge but a sedan sounds miserable to sleep in

[lyric sparrow]

Yeah that, I didn't know it existed maybe next month thanks for letting me know

[arctic orchid]

That prius is hella sexy

wtf

shits still probably 35k tho

with tax

like after everything is said and done

plus you're gonna want warranties

do you get a tax credit?

hmmmm

220 horse power isn't bad

Isn't it including the tax credit you're getting tho?

or am i wrong

priuss lietrally never die tho

those motherfuckers can drive around the world quite a few times

I rented a prius once to drive from LA to San fran

i spent like less than 80 bucks on gas both ways

the fuel effeciency is crazy

so fucking nice

[hidden scaffold]

google new grad role ?

https://www.google.com/about/careers/applications/jobs/results/98028885498569414-network-operations-residency-program/?src=Online/LinkedIn/linkedin_us&utm_source=linkedin&utm_medium=jobposting&utm_campaign=contract

[rain patio]

Customer service ish?

[hidden scaffold]

similar area

[arctic orchid]

i feel like I've never seen google job with university grad next to it

[hidden scaffold]

I mean it says it requires coding(c++, java) and tcp experience

[obsidian crater]

It's customer service lite

[arctic orchid]

its been so long

[obsidian crater]

It's cloud resident

My friend does that

[rain patio]

Not customer service as in normal ppl it’s like cloud stuff

[obsidian crater]

It's mostly support for GCP

But transfer to TPM sounds nice

[rain patio]

Isn’t that contingent on bonus

[arctic orchid]

Wait you can't be forreal

[obsidian crater]

Yeah sales people make a fuckton of $$$

[arctic orchid]

AWS basically sells itself

[obsidian crater]

Why do you think IBs make so much money

[arctic orchid]

go to any other cloud platfrom

[obsidian crater]

Commission == $$$

[rain patio]

failed SWE to telemarketer pipeline

[arctic orchid]

I see

are we talking sales engineers here tho?

[rain patio]

gcp is pretty good imo

[arctic orchid]

yeah except you're like more technically knowledgable

you're expected to comminucate with engineers on the software on a low level

[obsidian crater]

money is cool

but I don't wanna be a salesman

I wanna build shit

Or I guess if your TC is high enough to not work anymore

works out

[arctic orchid]

I mean if its a good product

and it still takes a decent amount of technical knowledge

Its not like your going door to door selling solar panels

[obsidian crater]

true

[grizzled bronze]

$80K

[obsidian crater]

LCOL - 80K
MCOL - 100K
HCOL - 140K

[grizzled bronze]

$75K+. Conduent starts at $75K.