2023_grads

[bold pier]

yes

I just feel used given I've 3yoe of good experience. Why the fuck do I have to go through traning :3

[marble ivy]

how was ur jpmc interview

[bold pier]

Is the 1 year bond enforceable in the US?

[marble ivy]

nice

[marble ivy]

u have 3 yoe??

[bold pier]

Yes, plus 4 months of internship

[marble ivy]

So ur a 2019 grad?

[bold pier]

2018

[marble ivy]

wow wtf

laid off?

[bold pier]

Just finished Masters

[marble ivy]

R u international?

[bold pier]

yus

[marble ivy]

ah ok

like how were u a tech lead and now L4

[bold pier]

That's just bullshit, I lead projects where half the team was working in the US, servers were in US, customers were in US :\

[marble ivy]

Ya ik but like u should easily be L5 then with that exp

Like idt companies even care

[marble ivy]

Ya it is

[bold pier]

ideally yeah, but like you said companies will do anything to pay internationals less

[split igloo]

I mean if u need to maintain the status, prob u don’t have any options ig

[bold pier]

How do I go for Canada?

[split igloo]

unless ur PR

[marble ivy]

Dang if banks aren’t sponsoring now it’s prolly so hard to get a job as an international

I’ve literally only heard back from banks in the past 7 months of unemployment

[bold pier]

Can anybody here marry me? I will cook for 1 year

[marble ivy]

I just got an interview request for Deustche Bank today too

Na 2

[bold pier]

By the time I graduate from a second masters I'll start hitting new grad age limits also

Thats the plan

Options are to go back and live in debt, or stay and live in misery

[arctic orchid]

The doom and gloom is crazy in this server

Server

I’ve been searching for 10 months

[autumn iris]

[fallen fox]

🪢

[autumn iris]

Just get a job

[arctic orchid]

I have an offer for a government job

But it’s going to take 6 months minimum to get through clearance

[autumn iris]

Thats normal

[arctic orchid]

I can’t say

[autumn iris]

If u get clearance, ur set for any private defense company

[arctic orchid]

But it could take upwards of year too

[autumn iris]

thats also normal

[arctic orchid]

So it’s as if I’ve been searching for 2 years post grad

[autumn iris]

But u wont ever be unemployed

Wat

Ifu sign the offer, u get the job

u just take a 1yr off n do watever u want

[arctic orchid]

We’ll I wouldn’t start till like

I get clearance

[autumn iris]

Usually u sign the offer, they get u clearance

And then u start

[arctic orchid]

Right that’s what I did

I got offer

I’m doing the clearance process

[autumn iris]

so ur just waiting on clearance

So why u here

ur employed basically

[arctic orchid]

Right but I’m saying it’s going to take almost year

I mean

I’m also broke

And it’s hard to wait a year

[autumn iris]

[arctic orchid]

With loans

There not

[autumn iris]

U usually do some sort of work i think

Thats not required by clearance

[arctic orchid]

Yeah

No work

[autumn iris]

depends on company

It might be a contracter to government

theres tons of them in florida

[arctic orchid]

I literally can’t tell you

[autumn iris]

U can tell us if its small or big

[arctic orchid]

But I can say it’s federal

[autumn iris]

If its big, they always have work

[arctic orchid]

At the very least not defense contractor

[autumn iris]

Idk id just

Go chill

[arctic orchid]

I get hired once I get clearance

[autumn iris]

U cant really do anything about it, esp if they started clearance process

[arctic orchid]

I signed a conditional offer

[autumn iris]

Oh

okay thats different

[arctic orchid]

Yeah

They filed for me?

[autumn iris]

If they filed, he just goes afka

[arctic orchid]

I had todo a bunch of paperwork through them

[autumn iris]

Idk id just go back home n do watever u want for a year

This process is super normal

[arctic orchid]

What doesn’t add up

[autumn iris]

I did my internship at one of these companies

[arctic orchid]

I’m pretty sure it’s very normal for federal

[autumn iris]

if ur track history is clean

[arctic orchid]

But I still want to get better offer

[autumn iris]

Then i wouldnt worry about anything

[arctic orchid]

It is

Yeah

Or shoudl I jsut chill?

[autumn iris]

Just chill

its impossible to get rejected for clearance unless u went to jail or something

Smoked weed, etc

no

They file work for him cause new grads

This process is normal

cause the company prob has all projects that require clearance

[arctic orchid]

What’s your background with clearance then?

[autumn iris]

So they cant even do work until clearence

[arctic orchid]

Yeah I guess I’ll chill and work on projects in the meantime

[autumn iris]

[arctic orchid]

But I also want to get as much interview experience as I can it’s going to be hard later in life to get this stuff

Cus eventually I do want to be at FANNG or some unicorn startup etc.

Like AWS and stuff?

That’s a dream

[pulsar mural]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/681737713535549502/895350583693832252/ayaya.gif

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/681737713535549502/895350583693832252/ayaya.gif

[arctic orchid]

What roles at AWS do you know so I could research further??

[autumn iris]

[arctic orchid]

Thank you Bob 🙏🙏🙏

I would kiss you if weren’t separated by computers(jk)

[pulsar mural]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/681737713535549502/895350583693832252/ayaya.gif

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/681737713535549502/895350583693832252/ayaya.gif

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/681737713535549502/895350583693832252/ayaya.gif

👉

@elder forum

[arctic orchid]

I might have referalls for you

DM me

[rain patio]

Got rejected by them

idk why

[neon perch]

are you international?

[grizzled bronze]

@pulsar mural is a genius, probably has Top Secret clearance from Lockheed and now he's gonna make bank at Microsoft

[arctic orchid]

I am not international

[pine topaz]

Yes, yes she did

[eager aurora]

Ancient defense company C with classes

[marble ivy]

now u can’t get anything

[arctic orchid]

I know people from CMU who couldn’t get offers

I think strong work experience is the new target school

[autumn iris]

its not that bad

wat do we define as a target school though

adobe gave me a free shirt + metal water bottles when i went to their info sessions

idk, dont think

those ones matter

people who got laid off at meta also complained about jobs

and if u got laid off at quant, companies cant match salaries unless its also another big tech

[arctic orchid]

I mean there’s a lot of good companies I personally wouldn’t exclude Reddit seems to think it’s Faang or die tho

I know someone at meta who got laid off and he had no trouble getting offers from other Fanng

[autumn iris]

[vital meteor]

Facebook Apple Google

[shut thistle]

cap

[swift falcon]

like apple offered after you had accepted startup?

ouch

[rain patio]

I apply to Apple in like September and these mfs respond back in March for an interview

[pine topaz]

GUYS

no more dooming

https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/155rwda/huge_increase_in_tech_job_openings_this_week/

[obsidian crater]

[wraith yew]

anyone applied to optiver for 2024 new grad?

[fallen fox]

0 interviews in june

0 interviews in july

[tacit grove]

did you end up interviewing for Akamai?

[grizzled bronze]

Still employed with Conduent though

[narrow harbor]

just received an examination for 'associate application developer' for the city i live in, should i email them to ask what questions they would ask

or do you guys thing it will be basic cs fundamentals like basic programming and oop

[arctic orchid]

Ngl I called it another server today I saw hella mid level- senior Amazon, meta, microsoft and Apple job openings because LinkedIns sucks and apparently that’s entry level

[severe pendant]

same

[rain patio]

Probably be basic trivia

[light oxide]

Can u even apply if you alrdy graduated this year

[wraith yew]

prob not 💀

I put the wrong timeframe for graduation date and applied anyway

[narrow harbor]

example?

[rain patio]

What language does it mention in description?

[narrow harbor]

they took down the job posting but no languages listed even for the senior role

[rain patio]

If it says OOP, probably gonna be the usual stuff access modifiers, polymorphism, inheritance, class design, etc

idk how local the company is but check Glassdoor or ask old employees

[arctic orchid]

I ain’t gonna lie

I got rocked by mathworks a little

[rain patio]

Not until Bezos pip’s Jassy and opens NG apps

[grave hawk]

NG?

[arctic orchid]

Ye

[grave hawk]

haha yeah it was kinda hard

But did that and did the video too

I have heard their next rounds are kinda medium-hard too

[rain patio]

Did u ace OA

is matlab optional

[grave hawk]

Matlab optional yeah

[grave hawk]

I passed 14 in both and di 5 math too but lets see

Last year they invited people who solved one full and other 10/14 too

[rain patio]

is math easy

[grave hawk]

Oh its very easy

Probability, Venn Diagram, BFS, Chart reading

And the other one is word problem. 5 people sitting in a circle. X is to the left of Y bla bla

[arctic orchid]

Math was so easy

Programming wasn’t terrible, but def time consuming I took way to long on the first problem

[pure flame]

Does anyone know how to negotiate salary over email with the recruiters?

Thanks boss

[autumn iris]

also be careful cause

if u only have 1 offer, it can be a lot harder to negotitate

[fallen fox]

✍️ 🤔

[autumn iris]

bruh

[pure flame]

Yeah I don’t have a lot of leverage but that’s because apps aren’t really open (fall grad)

[autumn iris]

this website is ass

lmao

the easiest way tbh

is just go to glassdoor, look up the average salary

and say ur number above it

then they lowball, and u take it

[pure flame]

Yeah that’s what I’m doing lol

[grave hawk]

graduating in dec 2023?

[rain patio]

bro has an offer

bro is him

[grave hawk]

lol yeah

[pure flame]

Yes

[grave hawk]

Where, if you don't mind answering

[pure flame]

It’s the department of Air Force💀 trashy pay but considering working while going to school so I can get an early bag and dip after a year

[rain patio]

a bag is a bag, congrats brother pour yourself a drink

[pure flame]

Thanks fam

[cerulean basin]

You can only use this command in 2022_winter_intern_process, 2022_summer_intern_process, 2022_grad_process, 2022_fall_intern_process, 2023_summer_intern_process, 2024_summer_intern_process, 2023_winter_intern_process, 2023_fall_intern_process, 2023_grad_process

[vital meteor]

Congratz

Are you gonna be doing weapons shortest path problems

[pure flame]

Hope not 💀

[narrow kernel]

Did anyone watch Oppenheimer or barbie?

Margot Robbie is so hot

[obsidian crater]

Margot Robbie is a 5

Juda

[split igloo]

Zac Efron and Timothée Chalamet are kinda hot. Trust me, I am a straight guy, but those guys looking good.

[narrow kernel]

Zac Efron is typical frat boy

[narrow kernel]

Bro, then most of us are negative Avogadro's number 😭

[vital meteor]

[pine topaz]

add in brad pitt, matt mcanaugheihh, tom cruise and christian bale

why r ubguys on discord in a fri night

[narrow kernel]

Cuz no bitches in life

[rain patio]

I’m broke, jobless, and bitchless

probably gonna end up as a drunk atp

[vital meteor]

are you ropeless

[rain patio]

there’s a noose with my name on it, just gotta find it

[final ore]

Gpt on copium

[pine topaz]

why r ubguys on discord in a fri night

[arctic orchid]

Watching tm

[arctic orchid]

Says you

[bold pier]

Daily check in with my fellow doomers

[hardy cypress]

Anybody got any ideas as to what non-SWE job I could get in the meantime as I wait? currently applying for some entry level IT/help desk stuff......

[narrow kernel]

Taco Bell

[bold pier]

I'm told by multiple people that there's a lot of help desk jobs

[oblique harbor]

Is there a masterlist of companies accepting applications for those graduating this fall (between September and December)? I remember there was a github page for new grads (or maybe it was for interns) with a list of job postings a few years back. Not sure if its still around for this year.

[rain patio]

idk abt master list, there’s a list that has openings as they come out if you search up new grad 2024 repo

[fallen fox]

https://i.redd.it/7injipyfqidb1.png

anyone know what font* this is?

[grizzled bronze]

Jake's resume font

https://www.overleaf.com/latex/templates/jakes-resume/syzfjbzwjncs

view the source

[fallen fox]

[grizzled bronze]

@pulsar mural how did you and Hannah meet each other?

[sonic wharf]

they didnt

they grew up together

cuz theyre siblings

[worthy aspen]

are u an international and how did you manage the help desk job you got

[tardy geode]

i stopped using this resume as its hard to customise it

flowcv is better

[obsidian crater]

how are you doing prayge buddy

[fossil jewel]

how u been man

[tardy geode]

tryna stay sane brother

i took some RA thing under my prof but its till august end only , if he gets funding he will extend

went to a job fair this week , most don't sponsor but some seem interested BUT again they won't sponsor with which i am okay for now . will keep my search on

how u been ? @fossil jewel

[fossil jewel]

same old same old

[shut crescent]

are you international?

[signal jewel]

Job fair where?

[autumn iris]

[tacit grove]

Does it seem mission impossible to secure something in the next month or 2?

[fossil jewel]

something big yes, but smaller places, not really

big as in one of the places that have a long pre-employment onboarding process and placements

[tacit grove]

gotcha. could you name a few if possible that are hiring? In a dire situation

[tardy geode]

yea

[fossil jewel]

oh idk, those are generally local places within states

look for IT roles too

[tacit grove]

oh you mean ones in MCOL states/suburb locations?

[fossil jewel]

yeah

[tacit grove]

which ones?

[tacit grove]

did you hear back from Akamai tech?

[autumn iris]

Depends

R u already getting any responses

interview process takes a while, idk if u mean getting an offer in 2 months

[tacit grove]

yes this

[distant pebble]

y combinator

usually has a decent list

[tacit grove]

is it taking around 2 months? kind of in an odd position atm so that's why I said 1 month

[tacit grove]

thanks will check

[autumn iris]

Wat u mean odd

Did u file opt or something

[tacit grove]

no it's different. Just looking atm to secure something within the next 1 - 1.5 months

[autumn iris]

Oh

Uh if u dont need sponsership, i dont think its impossible

But depends on ur resume+ have u been getting callbacks

1month is hard af tbh

[tacit grove]

okay I'll keep applying and see what happens

[autumn iris]

[grizzled bronze]

No shame in working in retail or other jobs if you have to

[autumn jolt]

@fallen fox what did Conduent ask you in interviews? I've got an upcoming interview for a support engineer role need advice guys

[rain patio]

What does the description for that role say?

If it’s Linux related expect typical Linux troubleshooting commands, OSI model, tdp/udp, dns resolution, etc

[oblique wasp]

Update: My EAD just got approved. Filing date was April 20. International students can use this as a reference to estimate their approval date

[obsidian crater]

hmm

I filed may beginning

[grizzled bronze]

good luck!

[blissful sonnet]

Damn so long

I applied Feb 25, got it approved Mar 15 xd

[oblique wasp]

yea. the ones who applied in late april got f**d XD

[glossy shard]

I got it early
Still no job

[pine topaz]

the market is RECOVERING

yayyy we finanly didnt stagnate and we are going up

[obsidian crater]

[autumn iris]

i wanna see the

actual stats for how many of those jobs are

senior vs entry

[cloud zinc]

let me know when things get better in the future. Hopefully, I can snag an offer during grad school

[autumn iris]

cause like idk if we can see how many

entry jobs are posted every year

also the total amount of graduates

[pine topaz]

yeah would be nice if we have data for that

[tardy geode]

💀

most of those jobs require 5+ years of exp

[narrow harbor]

the only way to fill out those senior roles is to hire every new grad possible right now so that they will eventually become seniors

😁

[tardy geode]

[swift falcon]

I was sayin this the other day and no one believed me

[obsidian crater]

Idk

Some companies would rather keep it open than hire an NG

[static quarry]

They are in no rush

They dont need to be

[swift falcon]

imagine if they took a chance tho

like realistically it wouldn’t be that hard to be productive

there’s no way EVERY single posting needs some SE if they don’t need to fill it right away

[obsidian crater]

a lot of postings are fake

[swift falcon]

its like the current software engineers are just pulling the ladder up behind them and saying fuck you to all of us

[autumn iris]

[autumn jolt]

[autumn iris]

the thing is no senior will even take it

im pretty sure most companies salary is close to market, but just not faang lvl pay

the only way they underpay is if its a startup

or super tiny company

thats normal

at least for JPM salaries

its literally comparing apple to oranges

[pallid vine]

has anyone heard back from Capital One after getting waitlisted?

for TDP-2023

[obsidian crater]

rope ngmi

[autumn iris]

wait

wtf

The number of bachelor's degrees awarded in this field was 104,874 in 2021, an increase of 8% from 2020, 47% from 2017, and 143% from 2011.

thats way higher than i thought

These numbers are for the US. Each year the Department of Education publishes the number of degrees conferred in various fields, including the field of "computer and information sciences".

The number of master's degrees awarded was 54,174

i mean i knew there were more grads than entry lvl

but i didnt think it be this bad

[fallen fox]

rope

[autumn iris]

AI aint replacing sht

maybe graphic developers

its still too early for AI to do anything, lots of regulations n sht

no

theres just a sht ton of new grads

and federal rates

yeah thats not happening

mba is useless without experience

need 15 yrs of exp

good luck getting in

they dont even require GRE

i think

gotta check it

their acceptance rate is still like

5%

lol

The MS programs at Stanford University witnessed better results, with an acceptance rate of 8% in 2022

i was wrong

its 8%

just gib job

idk grad school depends on the person

if ur already employed, u can do part-time grad courses just to have a masters

but to make the most out of it, a lot of people do research

but thats if u wanna go into a specific field

idk, i just do research in an ML lab

at least i can tell people im doing something

i thought amazon hires like

anyone

if u pass the interview

wat about data science

just dont be dumb

im only doing DS

1 DS internship

and over yr in an ML lab

oh not getting RO

DS internship was last summer

data science masters

is a meme

if they did that, then they r bad

most people have stat/CS masters

data science masters in general

are just really poorly made

if his background wasnt math heavy

then that might be why

but who knows

[narrow harbor]

im committing suicide by going for data analyst, data engineer, swe in data science/ml

[autumn iris]

[narrow harbor]

with the goal of being a machine learning engineer kind of without a masters

unless a company pays it for me

[autumn iris]

just do a masters

its only 100k

[narrow harbor]

goals

[autumn iris]

u dont need a grad degree

for MLE

most of the time its MLOps

[narrow harbor]

yeah thats what ive heard

[autumn iris]

just be a SWE and work on an ML team

then hes just that cracked

i should be studying more

[narrow harbor]

no days off

jk that not healthy

but imma do it anywas to feel better about myself

[autumn iris]

only 3 weeks til im applying to jobs

need to do more leetcode

[narrow harbor]

trusing the process of learning new technologies, lc, and job apps is the hardest thing ever

it's giving me trust issues

[narrow harbor]

why not now?

[autumn iris]

theres not that many job openings

also i still got time

i did like half of neetcode 150

need to review it and start doing more problems

not DP

i think the main thing i learned so far is

Just knowing patterns

But i did it earlier on so when i start doing it again

It wont be that bad

yeah

I struggled was just understanding the topic/problem

But if i see a question, i can prob guess how u should start it

But i prob forgot how 2 code

[wispy mason]

Guys. Is there hope? I'm reading here on discord that there is hope end of August and then on the news it says recession is till the first quarter of 2024. I'm tired of applying man

[vital meteor]

No

[wispy mason]

No for?

[vital meteor]

No hope

[obsidian crater]

no

[wispy mason]

But someone was saying it should pick up in August 😭

[obsidian crater]

no hope

[wispy mason]

Is that not true omg

[rain patio]

prob hiring more experience ppl not us noobs

[wispy mason]

Oh no

[autumn iris]

CS is doomed

[fallen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-copium-meme-ezreal-league-of-legends-starguardians-gif-26095110

[obsidian crater]

ngmi

[autumn iris]

[pulsar mural]

:ablobwobwork:

[distant pebble]

[solemn spire]

https://tenor.com/view/boglio-laureneboglio-hanging-on-a-tree-falling-waiting-for-godot-gif-18739013

[grizzled bronze]

More listings should be posted into August and onwards, filter out the news and doomers and just keep applying to whatever comes up on LinkedIn latest

[shadow pecan]

dooming

dooming

[autumn iris]

[autumn iris]

Gib job

I can write "hello world", so i should be employed

[obsidian crater]

yes

[cloud zinc]

would you be fucked over in the entry-level job market if you graduate a masters program?

[autumn iris]

why would u

[obsidian crater]

no

[autumn iris]

im graduating with a masters in december

[cloud zinc]

like once they see your educational background, do companies auto-reject you from new grad roles?

[obsidian crater]

a master's in CS is almost always an advantage

[autumn iris]

masters count for new grads wut

if ur graduating in that cycle, its a plus

[leaden aspen]

Lol I got way more interviews for all new grad after I did my masters

[cloud zinc]

heard from a seedy source (campus source) that master grads apply to senior roles

[autumn iris]

no

[leaden aspen]

Nope

[cloud zinc]

in hindsight, they are decades behind the modern market

[autumn iris]

also it depends on wat u did during ur masters

im applying to ML related roles

grad degree is a requirement

[leaden aspen]

there is obviously the exception of people who work for years first then do a masters

But fresh masters grads are new grads all the same

[autumn iris]

but generally if u did a masters and had some sort of experience, u might be put in a role

[obsidian crater]

MS is an advantage, don't worry about it

[autumn iris]

L1 higher

than a new grad

or u might have a slightly higher starting salary

but again it depends

[cloud zinc]

in fact, the Society of Software Engineers, a student engineering club at RIT aimed to find jobs and stuff, actively advocates against seeking advice from the campus career center

[autumn iris]

the only downside about a masters is the cost

thats it

[cloud zinc]

pretty messed up stuff on the institution's end

[autumn iris]

everyone knows the campus career center is always bad

noone in industry is giving u advise there, unless u ask a prof who already worked in industry

[cloud zinc]

rad

[autumn iris]

[cloud zinc]

I knew they were dodgy

thanks for the input

[autumn iris]

also masters is very situational for a lot of people

internationals do masters for the visa

some want to specialize in stuff like computer vision/ML/etc

[cloud zinc]

gonna be real with you, my only motivation for the masters is to gain a background in cloud development while I stop the unemployment clock

[autumn iris]

wat u mean cloud development

isnt that data engineering sht

[cloud zinc]

Like exploring devops with AWS and K8's or something. Thought that objective was not sufficient for grad school, but they accepted me nonetheless

[autumn iris]

thats just the AWS certificates

[cloud zinc]

Its funny because I asked them if this was the right school to get that background but they said that they wanted to expand the curriculum on that topic

[autumn iris]

u already got accepted into a masters?

[cloud zinc]

getting a certificate doesn't stop the clock tho

[autumn iris]

wat u mean clock

[cloud zinc]

yeah like last week

[cloud zinc]

I haven't found a new grad role since August of 2022. The more time I spend job-hunting, the more it damages my employability. By going back into college, I am essentially "pausing" my unemployment and will be reconsidered for new grad roles upon graduating

[autumn iris]

do u have any internships

[cloud zinc]

yeah, but my last internship ended in August of 2022

[autumn iris]

did u get any interviews since august

[cloud zinc]

took that in tandem with some online courses

[autumn iris]

or in general since graduation

[cloud zinc]

got plenty, and fucked up a few of them. To be fair, I was extremely ignorant of the market and entry-level expectations back then

[autumn iris]

do u have any current student loans

[cloud zinc]

plus some of my interviews were cancelled due to hiring freezes

[autumn iris]

a masters will technically consider u for new-grads but like

its very very situational

its also expensive+ time consuming

[cloud zinc]

there is a 45% tuition scholarship for the school where I would be doing my masters, since I'm also an alumni

[autumn iris]

okay so its in-state

wait isnt that still like

50k

or something'

[obsidian crater]

RIT is private

So in-state doesn't matter

[cloud zinc]

pretty expensive, but I don't mind paying loans if it means getting a job

[autumn iris]

wats rit

[obsidian crater]

a uni

[cloud zinc]

Rochester Institute of Tech. Pretty mid tech school

[autumn iris]

oh

[cloud zinc]

neither a no name nor cream of the crop

[autumn iris]

rank 77

wait ur in NYC

isnt job market there

okayish

i thought boston always has sht

[cloud zinc]

some of the startups there fucked up their budget and had to cancel new grad roles

Its more upstate NY. Closer to Buffalo than NYC

[autumn iris]

wait

wtf

its 85k for tuition

for 3 semesters

[obsidian crater]

45% off for him though

frank

[cloud zinc]

bro I do not care at the state where I'm at

[autumn iris]

42k+ cost of living

[cloud zinc]

it's honestly my only choice before permanent unemployment

[obsidian crater]

just go to a public school?

[autumn iris]

wait u also went undergrad there?

arent u swimming in loans

[cloud zinc]

only a 35k loan due to some scholarships here and there

[autumn iris]

okay not that bad but

this financial situation just seems fked

[cloud zinc]

plus, the loan interest was paused throughout 2022.

[autumn iris]

interest starting again in a month or so

[cloud zinc]

I know it will suck in the long run, but I will face this financial issue head-on

[autumn iris]

wait so u go back to school next month?

i'd suggest getting into a research lab

idk how hard it be to join one at that uni

[cloud zinc]

It will start in October, but I can find some co-ops/campus employment that will tackle some of those loans

[autumn iris]

[cloud zinc]

I would rather stay in permanent debt than leave this world without a tech job

[autumn iris]

80k+ is a lot

yeah

but still sucks

i got funded for my masters

[cloud zinc]

That's the plan. Also, its a capstone masters not a research masters. I could not get a research gig even if I wanted to

[autumn iris]

no

u can do research for credit

[obsidian crater]

how did you get funded?

undergrad research?

[autumn iris]

joined ML lab, prof liked me, i sent a research proposal to department, they liked it

and gave me money

[obsidian crater]

oh so after you joined

[autumn iris]

well tuiton waiver+ tuiton stipend

[pulsar mural]

MONEY MONEY MONEY

[autumn iris]

i joined the lab a month before school start

[obsidian crater]

[autumn iris]

[obsidian crater]

I should jsut rope

[pulsar mural]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-money-kissing-money-kisses-gif-10015711

kiss

money kiss

[cloud zinc]

I didn't. I enrolled in a professional capstone masters for cloud development as a project-based research topic

[autumn iris]

no

u can literally

email a professor asking if u can do research for credit

if ur uni offers it (which they should)

[obsidian crater]

ngmi

rope

[autumn iris]

and u just do research aka experience

[pulsar mural]

the way mr krabs puckers his lips finna make me act up @obsidian crater

[autumn iris]

noone does a thesis masters though

[obsidian crater]

https://tenor.com/view/manul-gif-20108972

[autumn iris]

im doing a capstone my last semester with research

mr krabs is broke

[obsidian crater]

knot

[cloud zinc]

I would have to find a professor who is interested in pursuing this topic. It would be easier to join research projects outside of my goals but I'm not sure if they allow that

[autumn iris]

wut

just join any CS lab, doesnt matter wat it is

and just help them on their projects

[cloud zinc]

Sounds doable. I'll def look into that

[autumn iris]

its pretty competitive though

so gotta check around

[cloud zinc]

what I'm not gonna do is fuck over my job prospects by overloading my final semester before graduating

[autumn iris]

[cloud zinc]

that shit was the most humiliating, counter-productive thing I've conducted in my life

[autumn iris]

[cloud zinc]

Rather than spend the final semester looking for jobs and finishing my degree easy, I took 28 credits in order to graduate early.

[autumn iris]

at least u got to graduate early

[cloud zinc]

Completely fucked over my availability to job hunt outside of class and the benefits did not outweigh the detriments.

A degree is worthless if it cannot fetch you a job.

[autumn iris]

dw we'll all be unemployed

[cloud zinc]

I would've rather graduated in 2023

even with the state that we're in

[autumn iris]

[cloud zinc]

only upside is my total loans on FSA is $35k as opposed to something like $45k-$55k

[autumn iris]

get into big tech and pay it off in a year

[cloud zinc]

exactly why I'm not stressing over loans

even with a 70k starting salary, I should be able to tackle the loans within 3 years of paying more than necessary a month

[autumn iris]

[final ore]

If my gpa is 3.14 should i say it as pi on my resume?

[bold pier]

Daily check in with my fellow doomers

[rain patio]

we all get offers

soon

[shut thistle]

instead leave gpa out

[raw plank]

All gonna make it

[fallen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-copium-meme-ezreal-league-of-legends-starguardians-gif-26095110

[autumn jolt]

https://jpmc.fa.oraclecloud.com/hcmUI/CandidateExperience/en/sites/CX_1001/job/210429330/?keyword=2024+SOFTWARE+ENGINEER+PROGRAM+%25E2%2580%2593+FULL-TIME+OPPORTUNITY+%2528February+2024+Start+Only%2529&mode=location

[autumn jolt]

no sponsorship though

you guys remember Techie? is it this guy?

[rain patio]

Is that jpmc listing diff from the others?

[autumn jolt]

hmmmm....Don't know I saw it I shared it

[obsidian crater]

That is not techie

I have techie on LinkedIn

[timber rock]

No lmao techie works at comcast

[obsidian crater]

Looks like Google opened up some early career jobs

In Bangalore though

[hidden scaffold]

All the new grad roles are probably all gonna go to foreigners

[obsidian crater]

makes business sense though

[bold pier]

off to bangalore I go

[obsidian crater]

google can pay engineers in India $45K a year and that's basically top 0.1% of wages in India

[chilly burrow]

Probably not

[obsidian crater]

$45K a year in India you can basically buy a house every few years

[west pagoda]

Eh idk if that percentage really given there’s thousands of big tech engineers there lol, but it’s a good salary

[obsidian crater]

there's over a billion people there

google pays top notch

[west pagoda]

Goldman Sachs’ largest office outside NY is in India

Kinda wild

But makes sense

[obsidian crater]

2nd largest country in the world by people, probably #1 in terms of total English speakers

[fallen fox]

rope

[raw plank]

my positivity high has run out, back to dooming

[rain patio]

Yes

If u get a RO from an existing internship ig u don’t need to push it further back, depends on what you wanna do tbh

[tardy geode]

is codecademy good?

[fossil jewel]

eh

[shut thistle]

are you indian?

[fossil jewel]

i only used it when they gave 6months(or 3?) free during covid

didnt really learn much

the platform itself is fine tbh

[native mango]

So

There is one of my "friend", already doing job since 7 months, knowing i am searching for job and all. Just secretly got an interview. didn't tell me regarding the opportunity even knowng I am searching for a job since few months.

the Just wanted to grab opportunity for themself.

And not even share anything regarding any opportunity.

Seeing that i am struggling myself.

What my point is. People who got job since a year will just go for switching the jobs in silence after enjoying their time whereas you were struggling. And now when market will be better you will still face the challenges and competiition

Struggle is just struggle not fruitful.

It will always remain difficult

No matter what

Your friends can;t be trusted.\

Difficult times reveal good people

And they are rare.

[shadow pecan]

i mean tbh no one wants to talk about job searching 24/7 lmfao

[native mango]

Job is not just a parameter here

I don't think you understood the story here

Not able to really explain my point here

[rain patio]

Don't expect your friends to help you if they don't see anything in you

[native mango]

It's just that yeah xyz can switch job and all be successful. But things you do will be there with you always.

Job is just part of life

[rain patio]

Nah but deadass

[native mango]

What even man

[rain patio]

The quality of a person usually reflects the quality of their friends

[native mango]

Can't you understand my point

they are not real ones

That i can tell

😄

[winter arrow]

There is some logical fallacy where you think just because you are friends, you are at equal levels.

[rain patio]

Why would they wanna be real ones with you?

They prolly have real ones who are actually employed

[native mango]

Lol

[rain patio]

I cut of some of my bum high school friends who were weighing me down

Best decision ever

[pine topaz]

ur friends just trying to put food on their table

dont hate the playa

hate the game

[native mango]

Lol they had food on their table man. It's just fake I can say

[shadow pecan]

the super react bro 💀

[rain patio]

Your friend prolly be playing no scrubs by tlc rn

[native mango]

Lol

[autumn iris]

[native mango]

You can't be all sweet on the ouside and bad on the inside

[pine topaz]

they wont have food on t heir tbale if he don secure that job

[rain patio]

What do you have to offer him as a friend

i dont actually get the original post

i cant transcribe it

[autumn iris]

wat is this conversation

Noone tells anyone if ur applying to jobs

[native mango]

they have a job!!!!!!! For god sakes

[rain patio]

I grind by myself

[native mango]

The had job in the first place

[rain patio]

What did you expect from your friend @native mango what are you upset that he didn't do

[autumn iris]

They can just apply to another one for better pay

No the friend

Or w/e

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/tlc-no-scrubs-90s-music-i-dont-want-dancing-gif-17860658

His friend be like

[native mango]

Why should i make tea for them when they ask me, why should i invite them for meal and make them meal for them giving my time

[shadow pecan]

i mean also to get interviews u gotta actually apply lol

[native mango]

I will also be selfish

[blazing oar]

just make better friends

[native mango]

yes

[shadow pecan]

just bc one person u know got an interview for that company doesn't mean u will get that interview

[autumn iris]

just gitgud n get a job

[rain patio]

Then dont

[autumn iris]

Not that hard

[winter arrow]

If you are just using your friends to get free handouts to progress in life, you are not the good friend

[rain patio]

Nobody cares

Get good and get job

[rain patio]

Can you explan what you think your friend should have done? Most of these problems are from unfulfilled expectations

[native mango]

Yeah i will not from today

[autumn iris]

r u even getting any callbacks

[native mango]

Why should i enterain and talk to them investting my time \

[rain patio]

Friends are useless.

nah lets not kick someone while they're down bro

Work on yourself and have no friends

[elder forum]

[winter arrow]

bro only has friends to get jobs

[autumn iris]

Okay just ate food, more grinding

[native mango]

Dude everyone gets a low point

[rain patio]

Can you answer my q plz

[rain patio]

Dude just have no friends

It's not middle school anymore

I don't think he's mad he got a job I lowkey doubt that

[pulsar mural]

:ablobwobwork:

[rain patio]

More friends != Better

Yahkuna has no friends and used the time to gym

Now he's huge

[pulsar mural]

@elder forum

[autumn iris]

[native mango]

I have the real ones just cuting the dake ones

[rain patio]

what did you expect your friend to do when he got the job

[pine topaz]

yuahkuna has no friends and is still failure

[rain patio]

Are the "real ones" employed or are they chilling in the trenches with you?

[native mango]

For more than that I have earned pretty good people just cutting fake ones

[autumn iris]

[native mango]

Employed lol

[autumn iris]

man its really doom n gloom today

[rain patio]

alright im just gonna assume hes trolling

[autumn iris]

u guys should be leetcoding

[rain patio]

Ngl that's a good troll job

[river thorn]

Give up

Drop out

Do drugs

Be homeless

[rain patio]

Why simp for citadel lmfao

[native mango]

Nope. It's just the hiding which is not great.

Lol

Cool

[autumn iris]

go do some leetcode

[rain patio]

some people just don't like to talk about their interviews bro. Because then, if I don't get it, and you ask again how it went, I risk social shame

Most people don't share that. I think

Getting a job tho is ensured (kinda 😦 )

[autumn iris]

[native mango]

Yeah right. what i can summarize from all the chat is : do your leetcode and let it be

Don't care about anyone. because everyone is selfish as i is and be that,

[rain patio]

And cut off friends that weigh you down

[rain patio]

Based

[river thorn]

Doomer arc

[autumn iris]

[native mango]

Yes, be selfish and apply and don't give your precious time and priotize yourself

always

[autumn iris]

getting a job isnt that hard

just apply

[rain patio]

i cannot understand

alright bro gl keep ur head up and grind away

[raw plank]

@native mango don’t go back to doomer arc pls

[winter arrow]

you will have a very sad life if you dont change your mindset @native mango

[raw plank]

We need your strength

[river thorn]

His life is already sad

[native mango]

Lol, only if job was the factor tof your earning

[autumn iris]

grinding for job is all that matters

[native mango]

do you have a job ? I assume you have?

I don't know where are people who were givin rope memes here

[autumn iris]

no

graduating december

[native mango]

I think you should tell them this.

[native mango]

That is why. I see

[winter arrow]

No, but it seems you only view your friends as vessels to benefit yourself. Then when they dont do that, you get upset. This mindset is very bad

[native mango]

Lol.

Good assumption

[autumn iris]

[native mango]

I wish to call people who graduated and are finding jobs

[autumn iris]

theres a lot in here

[native mango]

Not the one graduating in few months

They may empathize more

[autumn iris]

but why does it matter

im still applying to the same jobs as u

[native mango]

You are just not able to understand

[autumn iris]

[native mango]

You are not in same situation

lol

Good for you

[raw plank]

Bro changed his name back too relapse arc

[native mango]

What is my mindset?

[autumn iris]

idk prep early, dont have a sht resume, apply to jobs, get rejected, apply to more

not that hard

[rain patio]

Hi

[native mango]

Loool

Good for your understanding brro

[autumn iris]

when did u even graduate

may?

[native mango]

when did i say sacrificing

i didn't say that

Everything is cool

[autumn iris]

[native mango]

Keep up the grind

lol

[rain patio]

i think a healthy thing would be being happy and supporting your friend, and maybe later down the line you can ask for a referral or something if you want to view it as transactional

[autumn iris]

[winter arrow]

[native mango]

Lol

Lol you mean be a philanthropist being poor

Lol

[native mango]

By this

[autumn iris]

[rain patio]

just pull back on your expectations of others bro you will have better relationships w/ people idk what to tell you

[native mango]

Yeah

[rain patio]

they're your friends ebcause you like spending time with them right? dont expect favors

[native mango]

This is when a person is not that giving. If you are a giver yourself. one day you can't pour from empty vessel

[autumn iris]

wtf is this conversation

[native mango]

Lol

Chill man

[rain patio]

well idk man seems transactional to me, you want to give only to receive

if you want to be mutual then again just pull back

[native mango]

Cool man. Got it

[autumn iris]

just go take

a vacation

fk job hunting then

[native mango]

Just seem you are targeting one person lol.

[autumn iris]

[native mango]

Seems like you all have never been dissapointed

i guess

Or sad

[autumn iris]

wats there to be sad about

[rain patio]

im speaking from experience bro, been there done that

[native mango]

Ok bro

[autumn iris]

[native mango]

Yeah bro

I just got from this that invest your time griding and invest time in yourself

[autumn iris]

wat else to do

[rain patio]

Same

[dusty raven]

hi everyone! I'm looking for some negotiation advice as a new grad with only one job offer and was hoping for some advice from others

[autumn iris]

dont risk it unless u have another offer

u can negogiate relocation if they are requring u to move

[dusty raven]

is it normal for offers to get rescinded because of negotiation?

[autumn iris]

u need like a really good reason for them to give u more

[dusty raven]

I'm not looking for a hard amount, I was just hoping to ask

[autumn iris]

but also u gotta be careful cause they can rescind

[rain patio]

if you highball them yeah

[dusty raven]

:0

[autumn iris]

the only reason to negogiate in this economy is if u have another competiting offer

[dusty raven]

I'm not.looking to highball just 5k more

[dusty raven]

you're right

[autumn iris]

so unless u really wanna risk it

then go for it

^

[rain patio]

5k is a risk, up to u

[dusty raven]

okie dokie ty for the advice guys

I rather not risk it tbh

just wanted to know if it's normal to rescind after asking for more

[autumn iris]

it is

[rain patio]

if you get a competing offer then you can look into that

[dusty raven]

oofing

[autumn iris]

cause most likely they can just go with their secondary candidate

[dusty raven]

:0

[rain patio]

Congrats, btw. Hope you enjoy it

Sounds like a great start

[vital meteor]

I ran out of salt @native mango can i borrow some

[native mango]

lol good one

[autumn iris]

[grizzled bronze]

Elon Musk is rebranding Twitter to "X" https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-twitter-logo-x-bird-d58758cdd3f8441e7d2c8d3ac827ba90

[rain patio]

[dusty raven]

thanks!

it's a late in the game grab tbh but I'm super grateful and I don't want to try more luck too much

if I didn't have so much debt I wouldn't have contemplated getting more money

[rain patio]

totally get it, am in a similar situation rn but I pray i'll be as fortunate

you might like sf(?) tho, never been there personally but i hear the food is great

[hidden scaffold]

Super proud of you bro. Yeah in this ass market, I wouldn't want to risk anything especially as a new grad. Use this opportunity and be one of those ppl that go from making 40k a year to 250k+ in a couple of years. Its all an investment

[vital meteor]

Congratz!

[dusty raven]

it's actually a Canadian job

I interned there last year and then I saw they had an opening so I reached out and went through the interviews again and got it thankfully

all my other internships have hiring freezes

[obsidian crater]

He filled it

[dusty raven]

I'm actually not Canadian so my debt be crazy

lol

[vital meteor]

He took our jerb

[dusty raven]

graduating from a Canadian university though

[dusty raven]

[rain patio]

not sure why i made that assumption but ca is chill too. gl 🙏