idk
#2023_grads
tawdry snow
That's what I thought
autumn iris
its MLops but companies call their employees Machine learning engineers
people who make the models are usually phd level
or they did research somewhere
something related to this
cloud zinc
jesus christ that surge of 2023 grad postings got me acting up
solemn kite
surge? where?
cloud zinc
idk I just saw a bunch of new grad postings on #grad_postings_old at 7:23
graceful sigil
lfg senior data engineer, just the opening i was looking for
solemn kite
^
cloud zinc
yeah who the hell posted a senior role onto simplify
bold pier
These are very basic questions, what is the issue here o.O
No that's DE
MLE is taking a data scientists dumb ass Jupyter Notebook code and writing it in PySpark 
autumn iris
bold pier
would still smash
autumn iris
Gib job
compact sundial
tawdry snow
where is this from
i feel like from job descriptions there's no where near this level of clarity
autumn iris
where is this from
databricks
autumn iris
i feel like from job descriptions there's no where near this level of clarity
wat u mean
they want someone who can do SWE, DE, MLE, and DS
bold pier
Tech job requirements in todays day and age
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KefznccsY0&ab_channel=Programmersarealsohuman
wet jacinth
are Meta referrals working?
tawdry snow
so is this just a weird communal therapy group now
obsidian crater
cloud zinc
anyone else experience this weird UI layout when applying to draft kings?
It was normal at one point. It then froze, and changed into this UI upon refreshing the page
solemn spire
they rejected me after phone interview so never been to their career site
marble ivy
they rejected me after the tech screen even tho i answered it correctly
cloud zinc
Draftkings' application contains a yes/no question if applicants know Docker/K8
we do a little trolling
lilac siren
Is draftkings still hiring? lol
They rejected me with a scheduled call (I postponed another interview to receive their recruiter's call of reject)
tacit grove
who is hiring now? everything still seems to be stalled :/
modest rampart
jesus christ that surge of 2023 grad postings got me acting up
many senior stuff
even linkedin is filled to brim with these kinds of postings
bold pier
Had anyone ever heard back from Adobe? It feels like all my applications are going in a black hole
rustic vessel
What’s the strats for job searching for new grads now?
ebon moat
Prayer
grim canyon
What’s the strats for job searching for new grads now?
2021 grad here from t3 still unemplyed
I recently reached out to a former prof. (times most influential people, founded his own hf, invented a cornerstone theory in finance) and he says he's unable to offer anything
I probably knew this before but this is mega-deep big time danger zone for me
I might have to do a masters but I don't see how that will help
(and also land 130k in debt)
I'm getting interviews but just not moving forward/getting offers
so big tech/swe companies is resume stage
quant/hft getting first-round, but not going past it
rain patio
My resume doesn't pass the screen because I have 0 yoe smh
There's an oversupply of experienced software developers. No one wants to hire fresh grads
grim canyon
There's an oversupply of experienced software developers. No one wants to hire f...
this is probably it
rain patio
I hate my life smh. Just my luck to graduate at the woest time ever
grim canyon
I also didn't have a junior internship (this was 2020 when covid hit)
I would do a 1 year masters but even that's not guaranteed to land a job
all it does is open more interviews
rain patio
I hate the people who say job hunting is easy when they literally have 5+ yoe smh. They didn't exlerience what we're going through
Why would someone hire a masters with 0 experience over a bachelors with 1-2 yoe?
grim canyon
yes
traditional swe is too oversaturated now imo
it's either you have faang on your res already or no job
grim canyon
I hate the people who say job hunting is easy when they literally have 5+ yoe sm...
or 5+ yoe
graceful sigil
Why would someone hire a masters with 0 experience over a bachelors with 1-2 yoe...
how tf we gon get 1-2 yoe 😭 😭
bro im spooked about this zoom assessment, they gon see me googling how to write a for loop in swift
night maple
What’s a for loop?
quiet mauve
Anyone working out of New York at TikTok/Bytedance? Currently working in TikTok but got reorged, would really love some help getting to another team.
gusty geode
That’s what I’m doing. Should be fine since we’re still new
gusty geode
they don’t always start that late
I think so yeah. It’s up to them whether they want to hire you
I don’t see the problem if you are less than 2 years out of college
U don’t have enough experience for a senior position
gusty geode
Those aren’t hopping those make sense. Sometimes companies respond back if u apply for those
solemn spire
So embarrassing for being the only one without job when other friends got it
fallen fox
So embarrassing for being the only one without job when other friends got it
yes its rope fuel
cant even go out or do anything because of the embarassment
should just rope tbh
brave forge
At least I went to online school so I don’t really have any friends besides the few people I get answers from on discord im kind of acquaintances with
One of them is going to get me into PayPal someday cause he’s a project manager there 
gusty geode
cant even go out or do anything because of the embarassment
Just enjoy other things in your life. You’ll find something
Not embarrassing, you got the rest of your life to spend 8+ hours a day in front of a computer
solemn spire
Yea I literally had to tell one guy that when you want to use custom class, you have to put the file path not just “import filename”. He pulled a job and im jobless
spare hinge
are any companies hiring rn? it's a desert afaik
brave forge
Nothing yet but Goldman Sachs should drop a new grad role on July 1st if the market isn’t screwed up
prisma flax
Is this a reject?
We’re always looking for talented people who want to make a difference, aren’t satisfied with “good enough,” and are excited about imagining the future and making it happen.
Your resume has been sent to a recruiter, who will reach out to you if your background is found to be a match for this position. In the meantime, we encourage you to review other openings on HP Careers and apply for the roles you believe meet your career interests and expertise.
fallen fox
Just enjoy other things in your life. You’ll find something
i just want a decent job and be able to enjoy life after 5 years of torture in school 
2024 
gusty geode
i just want a decent job and be able to enjoy life after 5 years of torture in s...
Dude I get it. But you can’t let it consume you and not enjoy life until then. Keep applying but do other things as well.
fallen fox
yeah something will work out
gusty geode
u can take advantage of the time off you have now. Travel, hobbies, anything. Working isn’t all that you’ll miss some of the time you have now
timber rock
Is this a reject?
We’re always looking for talented people who want to make a ...
It’s just an application confirmation
pine topaz
u can take advantage of the time off you have now. Travel, hobbies, anything. Wo...
I vouch for traveling until the market recovers
grizzled bronze
I vouch for traveling until the market recovers
With what money
rain patio
I was part time retail for like 6 months
And used credit cards, those are a hoe
luckily working full time now and paying it off
bold pier
If I max out my CC and get deported, I don't have to pay it back right? They can't chase me to asia I hope
prisma flax
It’s just an application confirmation
I applied to it 3 days back
worthy aspen
If I max out my CC and get deported, I don't have to pay it back right? They can...
u'll just have a hard time getting a visa later on since it will show up in your records that u ended up in collections which in many ways is a term of ur status that u don't take any sort of federal financial assistance. Assuming that whereever the money is coming for to settle collections has some sort of federal agency involved
solemn kite
so what im hearing is i won't have to pay it back
nimble wren
Would it be rude or weird to ask someone on LinkedIn for a referral to their company if they're an alumn who graduated a couple years before you
nimble wren
i've never talked to them before, so it just feels weird being like "can i get a referral" lmao
solemn kite
nah i've asked a lot of people
^ yeah, you can do that. but most people don't have time and will just end up being like "yeah let me refer you" lol
but it is more polite
This is my connection request template: Hi! I am a recent grad with xx months of internship experience, and was looking into the XXXX job at XXXX, and noticed that you are a Software Engg there! Could I ask you a few questions and get a few tips on getting a full-time role there? Thank you, and have a great day!
nimble wren
This is my connection request template: `Hi! I am a recent grad with xx months o...
that's a good idea
solemn kite
^ kiinda same, but it's hard to quantify. because it's not like applying online is helping much. I would say just exhaust all avenues. the little interviews i've gotten, i have done so through many different channels
not much, unless recruiters are reaching out to you i would say
but who cares. the numbers make brain feel good, so take the W and keep pushing
tardy geode
applied to a role at anyscale 2 hours ago just a few mins back got a reject
wtf is this market or its my resume or its what. 
wind drum
tbf anyscale is kinda top tier
tardy geode
oh
nvm then
why is there a sudden rush of layoffs
i mean linkedins kinda flooded
with it
brave forge
wtf is this market or its my resume or its what. <a:SadCat:716615267328720897> <...
For summer 2023 when I was applying late 2022 I had so many interviews I couldn’t even find time for all of them so they don’t overlap and I got an offer in 10 days
But now, I can’t even land ONE SINGLE INTERVIEW for fall 2023 and my resume is so much better now with my new experience
wind drum
lol was it really that easy for interns this cycle
brave forge
Idk if new grad will be different
wind drum
they were saying it was hard
brave forge
lol was it really that easy for interns this cycle
Yea if u could code hello world there were companies DM to hire you
wind drum
Yea if u could code hello world there were companies DM to hire you
what's ur prev exp like
brave forge
what's ur prev exp like
I had a year working at a start up on full stack dev and I was half way through my online degree and I had a bunch of full stack projects, a game, and a mobile app
My resumes right here
I mean summer 2023 had so many companies hiring you had tons of chances to land something
Fall is tough is what I’m saying rn
I’ve gotten a total of two OAs so far is about all my progress . Snowflake and Cisco yesterday need to take that today
wind drum
fall and spring are always hella competitive
brave forge
And Cisco is also so it’s not much
wind drum
https://discord.com/channels/698366411864670250/1123448453717053440/112346432989...
what does building a kubernetes server mean in your resume
brave forge
fall and spring are always hella competitive
I’m probably not going to be unemployed for fall/spring though, im just going to get my current intern extended
wind drum
like you hosted the cluster on the raspberry pi?
brave forge
like you hosted the cluster on the raspberry pi?
Pretty much it was a random project I worked on for a few months. We did a lot of Linux server stuff trying to get it configured and running. Idk if I should bother mentioning it but I just added it
wind drum
Pretty much it was a random project I worked on for a few months. We did a lot o...
I would word it a bit differently, like "configured stood up a kubernetes cluster on a raspberry pi cluster using go bash etc"
idk like build and server are kinda weird in the context of kube
let me see if i have an anon one that is recent
brave forge
I would word it a bit differently, like "configured stood up a kubernetes cluste...
Ok ya I’ll do that
autumn iris
https://discord.com/channels/698366411864670250/1123448453717053440/112346432989...
how is ur bachelors 2yrs
did u do community college/AP credits
brave forge
how is ur bachelors 2yrs
i speed ran it
autumn iris
grizzled bronze
sol gud man
brave forge
oh
🤷🏼♂️ worked out for me, im going to be getting 80k/yr or more at 20 while all the other 20 yr olds are stuck in debt in uni for another 2 years. ive only got 3,500 dollars of student loans.
sure but even if this place don't hire i can land a different new grad job
autumn iris
Idk graduating college early is meh
brave forge
main thing is i got the degree. i can learn LC on my own and get better to land something
autumn iris
like sure you'll prob make more money but economy is pretty sht
Also 1-2 yrs isnt gunna kill u, but 
brave forge
Idk graduating college early is meh
depends on your life, if it's good then ya but if u aren't in a good situation then drawing out university for 4 years is so slow and bad for your own mental health
autumn iris
Yeah
Lots of people i know delay college out on purpose
For experience/connections
average graduation at my uni is 5-6yrs
Almost noone graduates in 4
brave forge
how much debt do they have 
autumn iris
Like none
school in florida/georgia is basically free tuiton if u have the required gpa/sat score
and the requirements to get into the school exceed that
brave forge
school in florida/georgia is basically free tuiton if u have the required gpa/sa...
oh ya it would have been free for me too when my dad was working in Alabama
tacit grove
wait for which role? I can only see the intern one
autumn iris
how much debt do they have <:KEKW_RECESSION_EDITION:1014352624335728760>
Also most people just intern during summer for money
Or co-ops
brave forge
Ya but u only say that because i guess you didnt get a job (aren't you employed though)? I've got a perfectly good return offer likely waiting for me once im out of school so there's nothing to worry about
i like coding and i get to do that 8hrs a day with a cool team im friends with and a work-from-home job that i sometimes visit the office for once a week
id take 100k over 0k though
if your still in uni. is there any reason you couldn't of left that company for the 200k offer?
it's a wfh job and i do like as much work as i want. they haven't ever really been demanding i get stuff done in a certain time period, but that may be because im an intern. One of the devs on my team said they usually dont get much work so it's pretty slow so i dont think it's too bad, i will probably have one of those work 10-20 hours a week dev jobs
im totally getting interview ready though. i got a ton of downtime in the day so im just leetcode prepping
interviewing is kind of fun to me especially the getting an offer part
mystic cosmos
average graduation at my uni is 5-6yrs
breh canada energy
mystic cosmos
autumn iris
rain patio
Must be nice to get interviews. I hope 1 year at this security camera company gives me that coveted "1 year of SWE experience" that jobs want
And then maybe people will actually not auto reject me
Lol
coarse charm
no joke i think the benchmark is actually already at 2 yoe
market is flooded with 1 yoe rn
rain patio
Guess I'll just stay at my current job forever then. If they keep growing and I get a 10% raise each year, I'll hit $90k tc in 10 years 😩
rain patio
I hate this market
autumn iris
pulsar mural
:TriplePepeCross:
brave forge
dood wtf why do u get blackberry offer but not me 😭
marble ivy
Blackberry is still around??
frigid oriole
Small goals help. Focus on making each day slightly better.
What is your goal today?
We are in the same boat.
Same
What is your area of experience
Mine is full stack web development
Same
Message me. We will turn our lives around
autumn iris
rain patio
Anyone have Yogi's discord. I'm literally his biggest fan. Sincerely yours this is stan
frigid oriole
I mean it. Message me. It would help me.
marble ivy
R u class of 22 or 23?
dude u just graduated like a few months ago, ur chillin, u can still apply to new grad roles too
nocturne monolith
Guys, I'm new here, was just wondering If anyone knew the companies that are hiring rn.
obsidian crater
Wendy's
outer radish
Someone say wendys?
nocturne monolith
@obsidian crater How do you know, do you work there?
outer radish
Yeah we need more ppl to flip our fresh never frozen burgers
Must know kube and cobol tho
vivid mango
Guys, my OPT grace period is ending soon, so I'm considering doing voluntary work with OPT under my advisor. I was wondering, do I only need to submit a timesheet with my advisor's signature?...
autumn iris
Guys, my OPT grace period is ending soon, so I'm considering doing voluntary wor...
wut
ur past 3yrs?
or u mean the 90day to find a job
autumn iris
uh i think u just go to the university and ask them
vivid mango
I guess I must find a job before August 12
autumn iris
and ur prof has to sign it
vivid mango
uh i think u just go to the university and ask them
okey thanks
wispy mason
Hey. So my ead still hasn't been approved and I put my opt start date to be July 10th. Idk if it'll get approved by then, so what should I do? Can someone help me in this
autumn iris
then ur fked
idk how it applies to jobs, but for internships people told me
you have to get it approved by the start date
unless company can delay the start date for u
autumn iris
u have a signed offer?
autumn iris
u mean opt start date for 90day time to begin
wispy mason
So in my application. I put July 10th as my start date
Because I assumed I'd have a job by then
But unfortunately I don't
autumn iris
autumn iris
But unfortunately I don't
If you do not start work on your OPT start date,you have up to 90 days within the 12-months of the card that you can be “unemployed” and still keep your status.
wispy mason
Yeah so these unemployment days only start after my ead gets approved right?
wispy mason
What 🙃
kind coral
has anyone got their ead approved but not premium processing yet?
wispy mason
Yes I will.
Thanks anyway. I just wanted to know if anyone has experienced this and could help me out
autumn iris
Thanks anyway. I just wanted to know if anyone has experienced this and could he...
found it
They will postpone your OPT period to the day they approve it. So if it approved in two weeks they push the start date and end date back 2 weeks.
apparently it happens to a lot of people
autumn iris
idk, just keep looking for jobs i guess
idk wat much u can do
i don't think you'll get deported by then though
arent u using up OPT time though
internships count towards 3yrs?
it stills counts towards 3yrs though
right
oh
its 1yr + 2yr cause of stem
so 1 yr can be unpaid
arent u doing masters
pulsar mural
:Worrysusga: arent u doing masters
fossil jewel
:Worrysusga: arent u doing masters
pulsar mural
hi
west egret
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/837107085778092066/1121649399177674834/...
You need an alibi?
fossil jewel
You need an alibi?
yes sirrrr
vital meteor
rain patio
people at my university's CS discord are complaining that their internships only pay $20/hr....
Me with an $18/hr wage after graduating with a cs degree: 
brave forge
people at my university's CS discord are complaining that their internships only...
i am also 18/hr as an intern it kinda sucks but not that bad but damn would some extra money go a long ways
rain patio
people at my university's CS discord are complaining that their internships only...
Do u have any projects or anything?
rain patio
Where did the 2022 new grads chat go
it's over for you guys. And soon it will be over for us 2023 grads
Do not pass go, do not collect a living wage at a nice tech job
The game was rigged from the start
brave forge
it's over for you guys. And soon it will be over for us 2023 grads
soon is 1 year lmao
rain patio
yeah 😭
marble ivy
i’m gonna be making less than this at my fulltime job in nyc
quartz plinth
marble ivy
i wonder if i can get section 8 and food stamps
brave forge
i wonder if i can get section 8 and food stamps
LMAO u got to be making next to nothing for that
marble ivy
🤣
brave forge
how old are u? if your young 90k is bad in NYC but you can room mate if that's your thing. Or, ask your company to let you work remote and stay further away from office
marble ivy
23
brave forge
so are u thinking of room mates?
marble ivy
3 days hybrid required
brave forge
hmm are u willing to commute for 1+ hour those 3 days?
i would try to ask for 2 days in office really
marble ivy
if it’s 2 days that wouldn’t be bad
brave forge
tf they do in office that can't be done online just as good? 1 or 2 is okay but 3 is just god damn
marble ivy
i live in NJ, 1 hour 45 min one way from nyc
brave forge
i commute 1 hr already right now but only go in one day a week
marble ivy
ya if it’s 1 or 2, i don’t mind, but 3 i’m gonna have to move
brave forge
1hr 45 min is liveable but will suck hard you wont get any time in your day. and you have to wake up at 5 or 6 am
marble ivy
😔
brave forge
i cant imagine doing it for a whole year until your promo or job hop. Im just doing it for an intern. any longer and id just rent an apartment nearby
marble ivy
u know the crazy thing is i’m not even joining as entry level
i’m joining as intermediate
being paid less than what entry level make
hushed lichen
yooo someone look @ my resume pls
marble ivy
Yes
hushed lichen
I posted it
brave forge
gdamn
my company starts Assocciate SWE in a LCOL place at 80k + stock + bonus
ASSOCIATE not even SWE 1 or SWE 2
hushed lichen
my company starts Assocciate SWE in a LCOL place at 80k + stock + bonus
they got any positions open?
brave forge
they got any positions open?
no they dont hire new grads only return offer pipeline
marble ivy
now they just lowballing cuz they know desperate failures like me will join
hushed lichen
no they dont hire new grads only return offer pipeline
fuuuuuuu——-
marble ivy
i got an offer there and am gonna join yeah
hushed lichen
now they just lowballing cuz they know desperate failures like me will join
Don’t call yourself that.. atleast you got an offer
marble ivy
i thought citi was trading and big pay?
used to be, now it’s all lowballs
grizzled bronze
my company starts Assocciate SWE in a LCOL place at 80k + stock + bonus
That's really good
brave forge
That's really good
Ya if I can get the RO which they basically give everyone according to last years interns. I did a one on one with my boss today and asked if I’m on track and she’s like ya your doing great you just need to keep it up when we switch to you being a full member of the team like Monday and I start picking up random tickets instead of just the intern ones they set out for me that I’ve finished
marble ivy
which company is this?
brave forge
which company is this?
Small place called shamrock trading in KC
Actually they aren’t small but their tech division is like < 100
marble ivy
oh interesting, an hft?
brave forge
They do trucking finance, so factoring , loans, accounting services , fuel savings, a navigation app, and sell cards to truckers
marble ivy
seems cool
honestly tho for me idt i could’ve gotten a better offer in 2023, i was in that weird 1 yoe mark and i think atleast for my resume this is good
obviously a downgrade from faang but i’ll now have a financial on my resume
brave forge
I love their tech stack , it’s react front end site, react native iOS / android, and entirely cloud based lamda and s3s and pretty up to date software packages. I have always been a JavaScript lover forever lol so it’s fun to work on. Everything’s in type script also so none of the JS flaws.
They let me push tons of code to production and I’m 4 weeks into my internship
Well I did two lamda service rewrites from express to middy and moved it to GitHub, and then I did some front end UI work adding tool tip messages for the sales team to understand the software better, and then I redirected the mobile app axios requests to hit my new lamda service and also grab all their data from the body instead of url parameters
@marble ivy what's citi use
banks are always java i think but these modern ones have apps and websites that have a lot of user facing work to do
marble ivy
Idk i didn’t start yet
i have no idea what i’m gonna be doing
i think im on a java team tho
quartz plinth
i think im on a java team tho
they hiring 
minor hull
Hello
fallen fox
Hello
marble ivy
they hiring <:PES_EvilRondo:647054811002306561>
Ya a lot
marble ivy
0-2 yoe so i guess
quartz plinth
you got a link
marble ivy
there’s a bunch on their website just type swe
quartz plinth
W ty
pulsar mural
:KidSquint:
quartz plinth
:KidSquint:
pulsar mural
fallen fox
brave forge
what is the process anyways?
quartz plinth
prob pain
brave forge
90k for a 3-5 round interview process with multiple technicals seems like total shit
quartz plinth
90k for a 3-5 round interview process with multiple technicals seems like total ...
3-5!!!!!
brave forge
im guessing lol
wait they have a new jersey office why didnt u just pick new jersey @marble ivy
And? 90k isn't 100k+
my goal post is already set by an offer that i already will have from this RO with 80k/4% stock/7%-11% bonus and fully WFH. I need an offer really high to make it worth not taking this
quartz plinth
obsidian crater
@marble ivy can I get a referral to citi father
marble ivy
do you count as referral
Yeah i gotchu in a few weeks
marble ivy
<@179685093676285952> can I get a referral to citi father
Yeah in a few weeks
marble ivy
wait they have a new jersey office why didnt u just pick new jersey <@1796850936...
i guess the one i got was nyc
quartz plinth
my goal post is already set by an offer that i already *will* have from this RO ...
offer ain't for you tho
marble ivy
what is the process anyways?
it’s only 2 rounds
marble ivy
Are you Indian
ya
worthy aspen
@marble ivy did u get the interviews thru a referral or was it a cold app?
marble ivy
referral
worthy aspen
how does the referral system work there? Do they internally refer you, and you get some type of an email saying someone's referred you, so please feel free to apply
marble ivy
yeah
worthy aspen
i see, would u be able to refer me 
although i already know someone at Citi but he's not in engg
quartz plinth
they open for ng?
marble ivy
There’s a lot of roles i saw there that only want 0-2 yoe
i just never get the interview
quartz plinth
W ranger
worthy aspen
i unfortunately dont have faang experience. Would you mind if I dm you?
marble ivy
but yeah they r giving some insane offers like 160k+ for ex faang
worthy aspen
i got a referral for JP last week, still waiting on a call back
quartz plinth
is it even worth like trying to fake a convo before asking an alum for a referral
part of me just wants to say imma be real can i just get a referral
lol
marble ivy
i got a referral for JP last week, still waiting on a call back
Gl jpmc is much better
obsidian crater
JP ghosting me
marble ivy
same
bold pier
JPMorgan sucks balls, they'll call you, see there's no faang experience, and then ghost you
obsidian crater
I 100% their OA
bold pier
Recruiter rude af as well, I mailed after a week asking if there's any update on positions they said I can interview for.. they replied "There is no update" Not even a fullstop, wtf
worthy aspen
i think i've applied with JP like 5 times without a referral, and it went nowhere
quartz plinth
i got a referral for JP last week, still waiting on a call back
did you apply first
worthy aspen
did you apply first
for this one, i applied after
quartz plinth
like you got a custom app/invitation to apply after referral?
worthy aspen
no basically someone referred me, and i got an invitation to just apply for anything i want
worthy aspen
then i just picked something that aligned w me, and now Im waiting
ngl and i dont mean to sound unappreciative but the person who referred me doesn't have any faang experience but he's been w them for almost 5 years now
solemn kite
Didnt even know they had that many lmao
worthy aspen
idk when the bar went up high in terms of scouting for faang folks
quartz plinth
last year i applied for internship and got thrown into the code for good pool
solemn kite
When the recession hit
quartz plinth
instead of reg interview loop
worthy aspen
there's one thing i heard tho from someone who's working at a bank. Its that there are tons of regulatory hurdles before something gets to prod which sometimes gets in the way of getting things done. Esp if you compare it to tech, where I'd imagine you can just work about on anything without considering meeting compliance
worthy aspen
didn't think about it that way. Ig it just works out w the pay and WLB
worthy aspen
how many of you write a cover letter?
and how much of those ever converted to an interview? or positively?
cloud zinc
<:lawshrug:1108591427342057555>
nice
Is it true that getting rejected from a position that you were referred to negatively impacts the referrer?
cloud zinc
I've been told by some of my classmates way back when that they didn't want to refer me because of this
not sure if it was because of my desperation or if I fucked up during an academic software project with them in the past.
shut thistle
not sure if it was because of my desperation or if I fucked up during an academi...
this tbh
shut thistle
50 jpm alumni connection requests sent
you really want jpm Ig
quartz plinth
you really want jpm Ig
i want money
wispy mason
Is jpmc hiring? New grads?
fading turtle
I applied for Georgia Tech and been getting somewhat good results
solemn spire
Ranger is leaving us 2022’s behind this week 
prisma flax
I got a position at samsara w/o interview, recruiter called me with wrong name
I applied for that position but got rejected 🥲
peak bolt
Yo whats a good NG salary for SWE?
fair zephyr
seattle with cali/ny or no
grizzled bronze
Yo whats a good NG salary for SWE?
$50K
prime palm
Yo whats a good NG salary for SWE?
depends on where you're living lol
also if you're remote, living at home, have to pay rent, etc.
coral finch
what is Florida and south ?
gusty geode
thanks for not saying like 200k lol. six figures or close is good salary
obsidian crater
even google doesn't pay 200K to NGs lol
gusty geode
they do
obsidian crater
they do not
gusty geode
negotiating
gusty geode
average doesn't matter. they will lowball. I got offered more than that with negotiation
185 is basically 200 anyways. pretty close
it's actually not too hard to negotiate something higher. but a lot of people don't try to. either way it is a good salary compared to what other professions are making
fair zephyr
185 is pretty much 200
and honestly if ur making 160 its essentially the same as saying you make 185
bold pier
0 has 2 digits in common with 100. So being jobless is also fine
Wait, in money or IQ?
peak bolt
also if you're remote, living at home, have to pay rent, etc.
remote unsually pay based on where ur located too right not where the company is?
obsidian crater
yeah it's like how my 0.333 GPA is basically a 4.0
peak bolt
yeah it's like how my 0.333 GPA is basically a 4.0
you got it
fair zephyr
yeah it's like how my 0.333 GPA is basically a 4.0
or like how being 5'9 really is essentially 6'1
obsidian crater
oh for sure
peak bolt
yo btw if you graduate December 2024 should u apply for newgrad 2024?
gilded swan
what GPA did you guys get? I want to know if getting a job correlates to GPA I’ll start I got 3.3/4
grizzled bronze
what GPA did you guys get? I want to know if getting a job correlates to GPA I’l...
GPA doesn't really matter, unless you plan on applying for the few places that care like SpaceX which also asks for your SAT score 
autumn iris
what is Florida and south ?
Anywhere not miami, 70k is good
brave forge
I’ve applied to 50 fall intern jobs, and not even a phone interview call
Wtf is this market 
Haven’t even started with 2024 ng though
peak bolt
I’ve applied to 50 fall intern jobs, and not even a phone interview call
ong
ru graduating dec 24 too?
grizzled bronze
Wtf is this market <a:pepe_sadrain:738025674719232031>
It's not just this market though, fall is always generally harder than summer. You'll have no problem with summer though.
brave forge
It's not just this market though, fall is always generally harder than summer. Y...
This is my last summer I’m a December grad
grizzled bronze
This is my last summer I’m a December grad
Oh, then don't expect anything for fall, prioritize new grad
brave forge
Oh, then don't expect anything for fall, prioritize new grad
New grad isn’t even out tho
fair zephyr
me 🙂
fallen fox
its not swe
brave forge
A year of apps in a booming market and no job offer that’s a rope
We’ll late 2022 was still good but when 2023 hit it was over
22 was tho
Well 2024 isn’t going to be booming it’s going to be contracting
As I remember 2022, I was getting a lot of intern interviews around December
That isn’t new grad tho
Did u miss the 2023 December grad
I’m 5 months away
It’s literally in 2023
fallen fox
brave forge
If all u ever do is down level how do u ever go up
static quarry
this new grad cycle is going to be fucked if faang dont hire. top university students gonna steal all the mid level jobs
might be working at a buffet at this rate
dire carbon
what language do you guys use
fallen fox
lisp
dire carbon
anyone using C/C++
static quarry
anyone using C/C++
c/C++ and python
dire carbon
c/C++ and python
ohh
static quarry
swe, data engineer
some ai/ml roles
not much experience thop
so not getting interviews
dire carbon
I see
hmm yeap kinda feel like
C/C++ is getting useless
only networking company wants it
OOFs never thought about quant firms
brave forge
might be working at a buffet at this rate
We all will 😭
static quarry
We all will 😭
free food i guess 🙄
dire carbon
prob should aim quant firms + web dev using python
autumn iris
this new grad cycle is going to be fucked if faang dont hire. top university stu...
Faang isnt hiring
autumn iris
apple might, netflix never hires juniors, microsoft stated no return offers
static quarry
its joever for us
dire carbon
getting referral helps
autumn iris
untold fjord
apple might, netflix never hires juniors, microsoft stated no return offers
How u know microsoft dont return offer and when was that batch?
static quarry
u guys are crazy
there will be external ng hire
dont fool yourself
STAY POSITIVE
this doom and gloom mindset is bad
maybe
@median thistle u graduated?
fair zephyr
do yall know what the timeline is for getting 1 yoe roles? like do i still have to apply a year in advance like ng cycles are?
dire carbon
Does anyone know the useful link to study basic systems programming and design concept for interview?
Do you guys have any platform to use for interview prep?
static quarry
thats probably not true
narrow harbor
trying to stay hopeful but im sad, makes me feel dumb that is spent 5 years getting a cs degree but can't get a job
i know that defines my worth but fuck it hurts
im a dec 2022 grad
yeah i had an interview a couple weeks ago and i got grilled on why I haven't found a swe job by the interviewer, awkward explaining to them that I've been trying since I graduated
static quarry
why do u say that
narrow harbor
same, in ca but apply to out of state positions, and not just swe but qa, devops, etc
solemn kite
^ why would that happen
static quarry
they dont care when u graduated
narrow harbor
why do u say that
i guess some companies question why this 2022 grad hasn't found a job, probably the reason why they haven't found a job is cause they're not good enough
static quarry
just if u can do the job
solemn kite
if u got the skills they hire u
static quarry
i guess some companies question why this 2022 grad hasn't found a job, probably ...
thatrs bad logic
solemn kite
some of them, yeah
then aim for smaller ones
not aiming for big N rules out five companies. that'all all
ok maybe, but it's a very small impact
static quarry
how do u even know when the applications havent come out
stop this doom and gloom
have u done ur daily leetcode?
solemn kite
yall are gonna screw yourselves over if you think like this
static quarry
thats all you can control good job
barren zephyr
Do you guys just msg anyone you wanna have a conversation with on LinkedIn
solemn kite
see realism + consistent bad results leads to pessimism disguised as realism
so don't even mistake it for realism
narrow harbor
it's difficult to not doom and gloom when that's what we experienced, i know it's not healthy and we just gotta keep our head up but yeah shits hard
i empathize with you
autumn iris
How u know microsoft dont return offer and when was that batch?
interns were making posts on blind about it
barren zephyr
I just set up an account and I can't find my friends it's hard to navigate. says I don't have access yet
solemn kite
i started making a little stat sheet. listing everybody i messaged on linkedin that's now in my network and gave me a referral
now i have this sheet for life whenever me/a friend needs a referral
static quarry
now i have this sheet for life whenever me/a friend needs a referral
hi friend
how are u
static quarry
lololol
rain patio
it's difficult to not doom and gloom when that's what we experienced, i know it'...
You are being to negative
You will be fine
Look at my user name
I have hope
I will get a job eventually, I know it, I have what it takes to do the job right, also you are not alone, there is a bunch of people from my class that are still unemployed
A BUNCH
they just don’t post here
and some of them very good
at coding
tacit grove
who is hiring atm? will things get better soon?
grizzled bronze
who is hiring atm? will things get better soon?
Conduent is hiring https://conduent.phenompro.com/us/en/early-career-development-program-2023 
Don't plan, apply now
tacit grove
Conduent is hiring https://conduent.phenompro.com/us/en/early-career-development...
Thanks! Have you already graduated btw?
tacit grove
Conduent is hiring https://conduent.phenompro.com/us/en/early-career-development...
I think you had mentioned that things look like it will open up in the coming weeks - in general or for 2024 grads? 🙏
grizzled bronze
I think you had mentioned that things look like it will open up in the coming we...
I only know as much as anyone else, we'll have to wait and see
fallen fox
conduent pays more than 75k for ng
afaik it's around 90-110k
i really wanna fking apply but dont want to get deported
fallen fox
conduent might think it's sus someone who has only been working for 2 months is already applying to other roles
if my boss finds out, he might think i'm a flight risk
fallen fox
i started in april 
tacit grove
which other platform aside form linkedin do you guys use?
fallen fox
Listing says 75K though, you sure it's not changed?
pretty sure it's way more than 75k. The lowest swe role called "App Dev & Support Engineer I" is around 80-90k
started in January
i have 2 weeks of unemployment left 🪢
grizzled bronze
autumn jolt
Every time we have a chance to get ahead, they move the finish line
I want to go back to 2019
untold fjord
why some job said yes or no to c2c, c2h; what does mean?
fallen fox
Yeah
quartz plinth
yeah i’m us
quartz plinth
lunar hatch
they rejected another dude (former 2sig intern) who is intl
Why not go back to 2sig tho
2sig > omc
obsidian crater
yeah he probably will
lunar hatch
2sig intern for summer 22?
obsidian crater
yeah
lunar hatch
Ah 🐐
obsidian crater
I just applied to GTS
lunar hatch
I just applied to GTS
Which position
obsidian crater
Junior C++ developer
lunar hatch
Haha gl
obsidian crater
quartz plinth
glassdoor it
Online assessment involving two coding questions in the typical leetcode style plus a very long list of multiple choice questions that are very in-depth and extremely varied. The difficulty and depth of these tests is extraordinary and is reaching a point that 99% of people shouldn’t bother applying. I didn’t hear anything back after that either, which again is poor in itself.
lunar hatch
I did omc oa last year
Tbh not bad to pass
But I got rejected after hr call
Which is very weird
I guess they are strict with visa
obsidian crater
Maybe they don't sponsor entry level, which is common.
A lot of big banks and firms don't.
RIP all these people getting OAs and not us.
blissful sonnet
Maybe they don't sponsor entry level, which is common.
Hedge funds and banks don't sponsor, no matter in even applying
Or they reject after you submit an auto oa
obsidian crater
some hedge funds do sponsor
obsidian crater
Banks only do higher levels
autumn iris
they dont, its very rare
for interns n stuff, they dont really lose anything
but banks have laws+ regulations
obsidian crater
all companies do
autumn iris
its a security thing i think
obsidian crater
that's different
some positions are allowed to require citizenship if accessing confidential info
autumn iris
yeah aka most banks
unless its a role where u dont need any of that, but even then its rare
obsidian crater
Those are the lowest salary ones
look all the way down
VPs making 300K
Analyst is just a rank in banks
obsidian crater
Even SWEs at banks have the traditional bank ranking
obsidian crater
Yeah VP ~= Senior SWE
autumn iris
i highly doubt they are hiring new grads
obsidian crater
They do
autumn iris
at least in this economy
obsidian crater
But they don't sponsor NGs
autumn iris
thats wat i mean
obsidian crater
ye
I mean it depends
If you have an MS it's easier for them to sponsor
MS or PhD have reserved H1B lottery positions
autumn iris
its like
20k more than undergrads
but theres a sht ton of masters students
phd is different
obsidian crater
yeah
fallen fox
rope
obsidian crater
One of my relatives got an EB1
But he has a PhD from Georgia Tech and several publications
Patents too
He told me to do a PhD so I could get an EB1 lol
obsidian crater
accurate
autumn iris
avg
autumn iris
getting accepted to phd is super hard anyways
obsidian crater
especially at top uni
autumn iris
gatech only admits like 10-20 per department
tardy geode
ayo wtf
fallen fox
Yeah it was dumb not to look for volunteer roles
lunar hatch
if you're domestic i think very fast
static quarry
okok
autumn iris
tardy geode
i was almost about to get an offer when this shit hole of a company backed out as they can't sponsor
FML
gotta marry a US woman
thats the only fking way ig now
rizz game gotta go up
tacit grove
How long after an OA do you hear back from a company usually - i've always heard back within a day or 2 but don't know whether it's different now?
tardy geode
if you are international then it might take ages
paypal oa i had got in march , reject in april
bold pier
Yo why can't I tag yahkuna
lunar hatch
How long after an OA do you hear back from a company usually - i've always heard...
randint(1, inf)
tacit grove
paypal oa i had got in march , reject in april
oh jeez
bold pier
gotta marry a US woman
Goto pilates class
Or hot yoga class
I got a call with Vodaphone for UK, pretty sure they'll reject when I tell I haven't even applied for visa yet
lunar hatch
paypal oa i had got in march , reject in april
same
obsidian crater
i was almost about to get an offer when this shit hole of a company backed out a...
name and shame
(so I don't bother applying)
timber rock
I got a call with Vodaphone for UK, pretty sure they'll reject when I tell I hav...
I rage quit the vodafone process after they made me do an iq test thing where I’m convinced 90% of the questions were just unsolvable and then made me do a hirevue with like 10 seconds prep time per question
tardy geode
name and shame
spruce
timber rock
They still kept emailing me asking me to continue after I withdrew for months
tardy geode
Or hot yoga class
yeah this
obsidian crater
spruce health?
tardy geode
na some real estate firm
bold pier
I rage quit the vodafone process after they made me do an iq test thing where I’...
What is a hirevue
timber rock
Pre recorded interviews
obsidian crater
You record yourself
bold pier
Oh fuck me
timber rock
It shows a question on the screen and you have to record your answer
bold pier
UK cancelled
bold pier
I did one for blackrock.
I cringed after hearing my recording for Black rock, and submitted it anyway
timber rock
I did one for blackrock.
I remember blackrock’s was just one question “why blackrock” lol
obsidian crater
yeah
bold pier
Guess hot yoga class is the only option to bag a job now
timber rock
I don’t think vodafone sponsor, at least they don’t for grad programme
But they pay like absolute ass anyway
bold pier
They be willing to offer 70k as per hackajob, they the ones reached out to me
bold pier
But they pay like absolute ass anyway
Ass in a good way or bad way?
timber rock
Bad
timber rock
They be willing to offer 70k as per hackajob, they the ones reached out to me
Maybe for experienced roles
But for grads it’s like £32k
bold pier
Sad, I can earn 32k easily in my third world home country. How are they offering it in London
obsidian crater
Europeans are poor
They don't even have ACs
Or civilization
America number 1
bold pier
Freedom no1 🇺🇸 🦅
bold pier
Maybe in smaller cities, but 32k with a fukin masters is as low as my standards in dating
timber rock
I mean that is basically as low as it goes in london
Unless u go to mega dodgy consultancies or broke startups
timber rock
Maybe CoL in UK is just low
I mean people here have a very skewed view on what salary you need to have a good life
Not saying that’s a good salary at all
obsidian crater
I'm totally trolling
No need for justifications
I said Europeans don't have civilization
timber rock
I didn’t read any of that
obsidian crater
ah
obsidian crater
timber rock
You guys should have come to the London intern server meetup yesterday
rain patio
Do you guys apply to everything or do you still only apply to software positions? Just wondering if I should give into desperation and also send out apps to business analyst type positions or if that’s not worth it bc it would derail my career
green bronze
If u need a job you should priortize a job
You can always just backtrack or remove stuff from ur resume
So apply to everything, and take what you can get and if its not SE keep applying until you get SE while still working
latent citrus
tardy geode
Do you guys apply to everything or do you still only apply to software positions...
anything thats related to SDE
lunar hatch
How do people get high TC without LC
Not possible in this market
And I think without LC def is cap in most cases
tardy geode
And I think without LC def is cap in most cases
my mate got Mathworks SDET offer without LC 4 rounds
lunar hatch
my mate got Mathworks SDET offer without LC 4 rounds
Sdet that prob makes sense
tacit grove
my mate got Mathworks SDET offer without LC 4 rounds
What! What was he asked then?
tacit grove
How do people get high TC without LC
it's either OOP/system design or basic theoretical questiions that are asked I presume. A lot of companies offering high TC are focusing more on OOP and theory based questions from what I've noticed....complete 180 degrees to last year fosho
radiant haven
it's either OOP/system design or basic theoretical questiions that are asked I p...
Pls list a couple of those companies if you don’t mind?
fair zephyr
how does sde 1 intvs differ from new grad usually?
worthy aspen
Anybody ever get call backs from postings that have 3years of exp when u got 1.5?
bold pier
I've gotten a few callbacks from 5 or 4 yoe with 3 yoe 
3 yoe jobs just reject me right away
wraith yew
nice to just get some interview practice
U guys are getting interviews??
cloud zinc
Haven't seen an interview invitation since June 7th
narrow harbor
U guys are getting interviews??
can't get past the first round tho :))
even though I thought they went really well
fallen fox
Haven't seen an interview invitation since June 7th
mid april
solemn spire
Its July guys
cloud zinc
if you cram everything you need to know before the interview, you can call yourself prepared
hushed ember
did anyone attend the blackrock data engineering assessment?
tardy geode
U guys are getting interviews??
no shit
tacit grove
Its July guys <:gladge:922955236212101161>
I know 😭 when will things get better...getting jittery ngl
tacit grove
can't get past the first round tho :))
I never got directly ghosted after an OA...but looks like it's the trend this year 😟
bold pier
3 production bugs per minute
fast pebble
Hi guys, I have a SWE interview coming up with SpaceX do you guys know how they interview and how to prepare for it?
fast pebble
no phone interview with the hiring manager @gentle peak
grizzled bronze
Data entry role?
grizzled bronze
I don't think that has anything to do with the market, that specific company's hiring process is dumb
fast pebble
aa okok thanks, Is the onsite a presentation of take home assessment?
ok thanks, much appreciated 🙏
autumn iris
shadow pecan
FINALLY A PLACE WHERE I CAN FLEX MY TYPING SPEED
tacit grove
3 production bugs per minute
Good one 😂
pulsar mural
:TriplePepeCross:
wary schooner
For meta new grad application was it fake cuz I don’t see it anymore 😭
thick grail
has anyone done a system design round for jp morgan before?
autumn iris
For meta new grad application was it fake cuz I don’t see it anymore 😭
lasted like 2 days max
pretty sure it was a troll
wary schooner
dam i applied too : (
brave forge
@pulsar mural 
worthy aspen
has anyone done a system design round for jp morgan before?
Im assuming u got an interview lined up?
cloud zinc
y'all got any plans for the 4th of july?
timber rock
No
autumn iris
autumn iris
u can do that any day
cloud zinc
It is a legally-binding requirement that we stuff our arteries with fatty foods on independence day in the US.
brave forge
leetcode
how many leetcode u done
i stopped doing them for a month now 
i need to get back
brave forge
i got better at aws cause of my job
autumn iris
i'll prob start doing them again in 2 weeks
brave forge
i need to also, new grad season is coming
autumn iris
i did most of neet150 for the common questions
so i got a good understanding of them now, just need to practice more later
brave forge
i kind of like the grind. i wonder if i get RO what i will do because the grind will be over all ill have to do is sit here and ...wait for it to start
meta hiring 
lord zuck 
ornate cliff
half sable
are new grad interviews already starting?
autumn iris
prob by end of the month some will start opening
cloud zinc
I'm probably gonna wait until mid July for the new grad market to slightly improve before I start applying
cloud zinc
my bad G
split plaza
how am I still in submitted status for Meta
thick grail
Im assuming u got an interview lined up?
yessir
autumn iris
pulsar mural
:ducknotes:
solemn spire
Which one of you is this?
wraith yew
damn, I didn't realize someone could be in a worse situation than me
they got debt to pay 😔
solemn spire
Thank god im poor and my tuition was covered
fallen fox
Which one of you is this?
a fellow roper 🪢
obsidian crater
Which one of you is this?
griswold
thick grail
did u have a referral and how many yoe do u have
had a referral. 0 yoe if counting fulltime
worthy aspen
interesting, do you recall how long it took since you applied for them to reach out? I'm in a similar boat and its been a week since i applied
i was told they are pretty slow
worthy aspen
had a referral. 0 yoe if counting fulltime
i actually have a few more questions, mind if i dm you?
thick grail
ya go ahead
wraith yew
Thank god im poor and my tuition was covered
same 😂
south sable
I'm curious
Does anyone want to share how much student debt they have?
Mine is 10600 USD cuz money situation
raw plank
no, cuz most people will want to flex how little debt they have
obsidian crater
Does anyone want to share how much student debt they have?
A number under elon musk's net worth
south sable
A number under elon musk's net worth
F for international
south sable
Not bad
south sable
I think I have maybe 20-30K or something
How long does that take to pay off?
south sable
For an average cs grad
obsidian crater
If the average CS grad is making 100K and living in a medium cost area
If you pay off 1K per month it's 2 years
south sable
That's not that bad
What's with all these stories of people in overwhelming debt then?
Non-cs majors?
obsidian crater
private school
or med school
or low income
If you go to CMU or something tuition is $55K a year instead of $15K at public uni
cloud zinc
is 50k a good starting salary for living in rochester, NY?
obsidian crater
liveable
cloud zinc
apparently my alma mater is advertising a job position that pays between 50k and 60k
obsidian crater
rochester is cheap
cloud zinc
company called pharo consulting or something like that