pine topaz
BRAMPTON LOANS
#2023_grads
brave forge
i just went on linkedin and took a look at the jobs and there's so many new-grad postings rn
if i wasn't dumb af id apply but i have no resume and im out of shape with leetcode
also i have no time to even interview with work so that's a rip i have to wait till it ends
south sable
i just went on linkedin and took a look at the jobs and there's so many new-grad...
what did you search up?
rain patio
also i have no time to even interview with work so that's a rip i have to wait t...
Ur literally doing an internship
brave forge
what did you search up?
i just looked in my area of KC
tacit grove
also i have no time to even interview with work so that's a rip i have to wait t...
I highly suggest taking PTO for interviews that's the only way to interview whilst working simultaneously
tacit grove
i just looked in my area of KC
any prominent ones you have seen?
brave forge
I highly suggest taking PTO for interviews that's the only way to interview whil...
u can't PTO an Intern lol, but I do WFH 4 days a week so I would be able to squeeze one in but it's too risky, there's no way I could schedule one 1-2 weeks ahead and know for certain I won't have a meeting overlap it
distant pebble
also i have no time to even interview with work so that's a rip i have to wait t...
r u interning this summer? at least where i worked this summer and last summer
where fine
w me interviewing during work time
brave forge
w me interviewing during work time
huh i never asked that
tacit grove
u can't PTO an Intern lol, but I do WFH 4 days a week so I would be able to squ...
gotcha. Makes sense
ebon moat
brave forge
any prominent ones you have seen?
garmin, honeywell, a bunch of no names
there's so many SWE 1 or Jr SWE positions on there rn it looks like, especially compared to a few months ago
rotund breach
I got 9 when I filtered for swe
ebon moat
ive never seen this as an option before
brave forge
I got 9 when I filtered for swe
what are your guys search params
south sable
what are your guys search params
none except location
ebon moat
I got 9 when I filtered for swe
😎
oh if i put software before new grad it rises to 11 results
brave forge
oh if i put software before new grad it rises to 11 results
isnt swe 1 and jr swe same as new grad
obsidian crater
no
ebon moat
i think jr is more around mid level
brave forge
my company makes new grads "associate software engineer"
getting to even SWE 1 takes 1 yr working there
obsidian crater
Depends on the company lol
At banks, Associate is the 2nd rank
It's Analyst -> Associate -> Sr. Associate -> VP -> Executive Director -> Managing Director
brave forge
I've seen Raytheon list SWE0
ya ive seen swe0 searching rn
rain patio
Companies just trying to be different
brave forge
imagine being swe 0
brave forge
Is Soviet Union you write C code for greater Soviet good
rain patio
Is Soviet Union you write C code for greater Soviet good
In mother russia, C code write you for greater Soviet good
fossil jewel
imagine being swe 0
thats literally interns tho
swift falcon
so are OAs just leetcode or are they like multiple choice? I've never done one before and just got sent an invite to take one from a company I applied to.
it's 90 minutes long, is that standard?
raw plank
Depends on company/platform
raw plank
What company?
raw plank
Good luck
timber rock
I did flextrade’s oa a couple months ago, don’t remember anything about it except it being in c++ and i don’t think it was super hard
fallen fox
got rejected after the recruiter screen cuz i had multiple typos in my resume because i added some .net projects for the role
really wanna buy myself a submarine rn
west egret
thats literally interns tho
Low key if you’re not at some intense company interning is pretty much paid vacation(as far as a job goes anyways)
You go in, attend some meetings without paying attention, grab some coffee/snacks, hang out with other interns, work on project a little and get paid for it
Slightly kidding on the [redacted] part
rain patio
That sounds nice lol
brave forge
You go in, attend some meetings without paying attention, grab some coffee/snack...
Bruh why am I writing so much code for them then
I write code like 6hrs of my 8hr day with a 1hr lunch
With breaks on my phone & discord tho
brave forge
Shut up your on block
swift falcon
ok so I did OA
and it wasn't that bad
but I also had to use doc refs and my IDE which it said was ok to use in the terms I agreed to
but also, I copy and pasted from IDE into browser so idk i'm probably fucked
yeah I know
I was thinking about writing a comment but fuck it ig
brave forge
I just code for fun tho, they don’t even expect me to write this much. I get to code and get paid tho so I spend all day on it, the resume value will be worth it
swift falcon
ok
tbh i was kind of lost until started coding in IDE and then that helped me figure it out haha
brave forge
I was thinking about writing a comment but fuck it ig
What position is it
swift falcon
What position is it
Software Engineer - Client Services at FlexTrade
idk if that company is well known or not
no
just jetbrains
brave forge
Software Engineer - Client Services at FlexTrade
Sweet a finance company
Those seem to always be easy
swift falcon
they have an office in my city
brave forge
SMH using copilot probably can’t even code
timber rock
from the words of my recruiter - “we make the trading systems but don’t use them”
swift falcon
from the words of my recruiter - “we make the trading systems but don’t use them...
so u applied there before?
timber rock
Yeah I did the recruiter screen and oa but then withdrew during the take home cause I got better offer
swift falcon
Yeah I did the recruiter screen and oa but then withdrew during the take home ca...
I assume you were applying for NY location?
timber rock
No, london
swift falcon
<@196748355743776768> what was the OA like?
it was like one coding question and then multiple choice
all java related
swift falcon
they list C++ on their website which makes sense
i think it depends on position
they got c++ and java roles
i applied to java role so ig that makes sense i got java oa
obsidian crater
ah
grizzled cipher
does anyone know a website where we could practice react coding questions? like leetcode but for react interview qs
grizzled cipher
https://www.greatfrontend.com/prepare/coding
dope
south sable
You do have to pay for premium but check out the free problems
viscid bluff
anyone?
fossil jewel
SMH using copilot probably can’t even code
tool vs replacement
if u use chatgpt as a replacement for your thinking
LOL
brave forge
if u use chatgpt as a replacement for your thinking
i use chatgpt a lot for writing tests because it's dumb work
and for debugging
west egret
For legal purposes
Thanks. I redacted.
cloud zinc
How long should you wait for a response from your follow-up email to determine whether the company ghosted you or not?
jade rain
How long should you wait for a response from your follow-up email to determine w...
I usually wait for a week
ornate cliff
I'm shortlisted for new grad job in UK and they wanna see proof I have a work visa
💀💀
I was gonna get it AFTER the offer
Another one bites the dust
obsidian crater
rip
bold pier
Rip
obsidian crater
Aren't Canadians British slaves?
ornate cliff
Yee
obsidian crater
bold pier
Imma get UK HPI visa once market gets better
bold pier
bold pier
I can get visa 6 months out
6 months, what visa?
ornate cliff
6 months, what visa?
Youth mobility scheme visa
obsidian crater
First world passport privileges
ornate cliff
🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
bold pier
First world passport privileges
Ohhh
obsidian crater
If I wanted a UK visa it'd probably take a while
Because filthy third world immigrant
bold pier
I'm too third world to understand that
obsidian crater
If you have a first world passport you can basically travel anywhere lol
ornate cliff
Facts lol
bold pier
If I wanted a UK visa it'd probably take a while
Are you top 50 college grad? UK HPI visa takes 3 weeks
ornate cliff
Fak
prisma flax
woah moving to uk?
bold pier
There's a list, is your college not in that?
obsidian crater
no
I'd move if JP Morgan stopped ghosting me and gave me an offer
alterium put in a word for me
I wrote an email to Jamie Dimon saying I'd tip him 20% of my income for a job
He hasn't replied yet
bold pier
He might agree for 69%
rain patio
I wrote an email to Jamie Dimon saying I'd tip him 20% of my income for a job
move to korea
i heard its actually pretty chill
rain patio
why no?
obsidian crater
I'll become a victim of a hate crime
rain patio
ur a dagestani tho
obsidian crater
Not a kpop star
rain patio
no in all seriousness i had a family friend from china go to google japan bc of visa issues with google us
apparentely there's a good amount of chinese and indian software engineers in all the big japanese tech companies
obsidian crater
hmm
rain patio
just go on linkedin
and check employees for mercari, rakuten, indeed japan and google japan
solemn kite
I'm shortlisted for new grad job in UK and they wanna see proof I have a work vi...
lmao samee i just got the email
ornate cliff
lmao samee i just got the email
S&P? 😂
rain patio
i swear google japan is half expats who just wanna tour japan
ornate cliff
Are you American
ornate cliff
Every citizen of a former British colony should get an automatic visa tbh
Facts lol
I'm a citizen of a current colony 💀
🤠🇨🇦
solemn kite
lmfao
timber rock
alterium put in a word for me <:dogesmile:922937091195797514>
Asked the receptionist and she said “please leave or I’ll call the police”
timber rock
Every citizen of a former British colony should get an automatic visa tbh
No thanks I think we’re good
solemn kite
What are you gonna reply with?
i'll just tell them my situation and see if they're willing to sponsor
obsidian crater
Wendy's line cook?
ornate cliff
i'll just tell them my situation and see if they're willing to sponsor
Same lol... Probably insta reject
obsidian crater
Asked the receptionist and she said “please leave or I’ll call the police”
😭
timber rock
Shouldn’t have resisted mate
obsidian crater
They didn't even give Hong Kong people passports
solemn kite
Shouldn’t have resisted mate
AYO?
obsidian crater
By the odah of the fookin Pweaky Bloyinders?
solemn kite
there's no way they do the accent when no one's looking
timber rock
By the odah of the fookin Pweaky Bloyinders?
That’s Birmingham but good guess
solemn kite
Shouldn’t have resisted mate
Shouldn't have come here in the first place 💀
bold pier
It's okay, UK is pretty much occupied by former colonies anyway
timber rock
Shouldn't have come here in the first place 💀
Which one are you from anyway
Too many for me to remember 😮💨😮💨
obsidian crater
Probably Canuckland
pulsar mural
@obsidian crater
obsidian crater
yahkesus 
timber rock
You have us to thank for u not becoming like America 👍 ur welcome
bold pier
America is greatest country on earth. Nothing like freedom. (biden pls give green card)
obsidian crater
Freedom, biggest guns, biggest economy, high TC, driving on the right, not having royalty
🇺🇸 #1
timber rock
i mean
tawdry jewel
i have a friend who is a 2023 grad who is looking for remote positions in either game programming or 3D development/art, does anyone know of any leads?
timber rock
<@220581504718209024>
Hi yahkuna
timber rock
all the citizens are armed af
Nothing a few drone strikes can’t handle
obsidian crater
Yeah but the #1 air force in the world is the US airforce
The #2 largest is the us navy
timber rock
no healthcare lol
bold pier
Who needs healthcare if you have freedom
timber rock
😎
obsidian crater
who needs healthcare
timber rock
🦅🦅
obsidian crater
People in Murica are built like the Michelin man
bold pier
People in Murica are built like the Michelin man
ohh, is this why I am not getting jobs? should I quit gym?
obsidian crater
no
it's because you made the wrong choices in life
you didn't choose to be born in God's greatest land
bold pier
true
bold pier
I am sorry, how can I correct this mistake? Will you marry me?
bold pier
eww, stay away
obsidian crater
rain patio
ornate cliff
raw plank
real
obsidian crater
@ornate cliff = 
ornate cliff
not mine
obsidian crater
oh
fossil jewel
if companies think people don't do jobs for money
“why do you wanna work here”
obsidian crater
you never say money
but they know it's money
they just wanna hear if you're submissive and brainwashable
fossil jewel
obsidian crater
"Yes daddy, I love your tech so much. I love what your company does for the world daddy, please bend me over and pay me 20% of the revenue I generate"
bold pier
Behavioral questions are there to check how fake can you be at work even though you might be furious and dying inside
fossil jewel
Behavioral questions are there to check how fake can you be at work even though ...
we're all trying our best
i'd rather be with someone who is honest, but not an ass
pulsar mural
@fossil jewel
pulsar mural
.
obsidian crater
nah jk
fossil jewel
i'd give @pulsar mural the biggest impostor syndrome
obsidian crater
I'd ask yahkuna to get beer with me after work
obsidian crater
yo
pulsar mural
I'd ask yahkuna to get beer with me after work
only shots
obsidian crater
obsidian crater
everclear?
pulsar mural
no being a pusdy
pulsar mural
ye
ornate cliff
I sent request to Meta recruiter a month ago
a few minutes ago she accepted ❤️
The only difference is that now she is #OPENTOWORK
wasting my damn time
swift falcon
why does that piss me off so much
ornate cliff
distant pebble
The only difference is that now she is #OPENTOWORK
gapped by "day in my life as meta pm" tik toker
ornate cliff
gapped by "day in my life as meta pm" tik toker
im ded
swift falcon
what if you have no internships that you've committed to
shrewd juniper
Is the market really that bad
misty fable
maybe it's a me issue
marble ivy
Is the market really that bad
Na u just gotta visit the boss and hand them ur physical resume, that’ll get u the job
carmine needle
anyone interviewed at Dassault systsems for java developer?
bold pier
@timber rock is UK market also bad rn? Should I wait a few months before applying for visa?
tacit grove
where have you guys been recently applying - didn't see anything new on linkedin today :/
timber rock
<@220581504718209024> is UK market also bad rn? Should I wait a few months befor...
What visa is this
Hpi?
Might as well just go for it
The market is kinda bad rn but i don’t think it’s as bad as the us
ornate cliff
<@220581504718209024> is UK market also bad rn? Should I wait a few months befor...
get the visa so when a recruiter asks you for proof of work authorization you don't get rekt like me
no
pulsar mural
Can I find a 100k job in UK? 
ornate cliff
Can I find a 100k job in UK? <:hopium:888128967326965771>
yes
pulsar mural
ornate cliff
bold pier
The market is kinda bad rn but i don’t think it’s as bad as the us
Nice, imma go back home take a break and then apply, tired of this shit
ornate cliff
Nice, imma go back home take a break and then apply, tired of this shit <:hopium...
what visa you going for bro
bold pier
HPI
grizzled bronze
Can I find a 100k job in UK? <:hopium:888128967326965771>
Dude no, Phoenix is the move
grizzled bronze
what is there to do in phx?
Save money
brave forge
i have lived too much of my life in deserts, never again
severe trail
Where can I find the latest sde positions?
rotund breach
Where can I find the latest sde positions?
there aren't any bro
linkedin sort by recent if u wanna be the first
grizzled bronze
what you gonna spend it on
Not me, I wouldn't live in Phoenix. But it's perfect for Yahkuna. SWE pays much better in USA anyway.
ornate cliff
@pulsar mural you got a girl?
severe trail
there aren't any bro
Aren't any?
ornate cliff
Where can I find the latest sde positions?
grizzled bronze
Where can I find the latest sde positions?
They don't exist
but if they do, you should be able to see it on LinkedIn
severe trail
but if they do, you should be able to see it on LinkedIn
No company is hiring now? Crazy
brave forge
<@657980540665724938> you got a girl?
isn't yakhuna a girl?
ornate cliff
no he dm'd me selfie
brave forge
pls share
vital meteor
for my eyes only
is he cute
ornate cliff
ofc (check dm @pulsar mural )
grizzled bronze
No company is hiring now? Crazy
I didn't mean it literally, there are a few, just gotta sort by recent and apply
grizzled bronze
no he dm'd me selfie
lucky
rain patio
we should all team up and make a roblox game for money
then we can put the project on our resumes
"created video game played by thousands of children. Game holds a special place in the hearts of many"
static quarry
or we can open a computer science buffet
swift falcon
Problocks
brave forge
or we can open a computer science buffet
good idea, @rain patio can clean the bathrooms and cook
static quarry
good idea, <@456226577798135808> can clean the bathrooms and cook
@mint badge can u work with us and be head chef
mint badge
<@187824701488234496> can u work with us and be head chef
@pulsar mural
static quarry
@pulsar mural
rain patio
Just bc lord glizzy works as a buffet doesn't mean he will do all the manual labor
i actually quit my job lol
static quarry
Just bc lord glizzy works as a buffet doesn't mean he will do all the manual lab...
we only hiring people with +1 yoe working at buffet for bathroom job
rain patio
Must have spiritual experience with cleaning bathrooms
Principal Toilet Cleaning Engineer (TC $20k)
rain patio
Gonna become a Principal Sanitation Engineer
pulsar mural
yo
blissful sonnet
So the majority of unemployed grads are internationals right?
brave forge
Yeah https://discord.com/channels/698366411864670250/1115361559972167760 is out
wtf why did no one tell me about that
i had to add it to my list
brave forge
https://tenor.com/view/wheniwasolder-gif-20838458
move over, 2024 grads coming through
i am a december 2023 grad though
azure oar
When is Bloomberg releasing new grad apps?
rain patio
Is Nate12 the king of CSCD?
obsidian crater
no
rain patio
Yogi aka Mr 8 offers aka I work at Google
iron lily
if they start hiring like normal in 2024 I’m gonna be lowkey envious
cus 2023 grads had to go through a meat grinder to secure our offers
blissful sonnet
if they start hiring like normal in 2024 I’m gonna be lowkey envious
2024 is gonna be oversaturated with 24 and 23 grads who didn't secure anything
lucid sonnet
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-22/blackrock-announces-job-cuts-affecting-less-than-1-of-staff
hope this doesn't fuck up the new grad roles
iron lily
2024 is gonna be oversaturated with 24 and 23 grads who didn't secure anything
isn’t the market recovering tho?
urban gulch
outer radish
isn’t the market recovering tho?
I feel the market taking a dive soon ngl
Maybe the rate hikes are priced in
But the rate hikes of past are yet to hit
swift falcon
fed should just raise the interest levels to target max and let the market crash so we can get this fucking over with
im sick of fucking waiting
im sick of corps pussyfooting around with jobs
lets draw this out so we all suffer in the next 8 months in some limbo bullshit
outer radish
Elections gonna be a shit show
swift falcon
u probably right
viscid jacinth
u probably right
Why ?
swift falcon
because everything is political
i mean really what does 2 hikes do that one would now?
are they just trying to spread the cuts companies over longer period of time?
im not am economist so idk
but it just seems kinda dumb
viscid jacinth
Yoo was just about to say that
swift falcon
CORPORATE GREED
viscid jacinth
Simplest explanation is most likely, they don’t know wtf they’re doing and what they’ll break in the process
swift falcon
the american ppl rn
sure
everyone to the corps politicians elites cronies
we buy all their shit and they just fuck us
by the way I need a job at said corporation
viscid jacinth
You fuck or get fucked
swift falcon
||dicks fuck pussies but assholes shit on dicks, who are you gonna be?||
i misquoted the hell out of that but w/e
swift falcon
You fuck or get fucked
i don’t think this is mutually exclusive
no way to come out unscathed for us plebs
yeah
that some gary vee shit
bro just sell everything you have for $800 and invest that in nfts
“gary i did what u said and I’m broke”
how does that apply to ppl living paycheck to paycheck tho
a. i think the ground floor stuff is the exception not the rule, vast majority of ppl that try are gonna fail so ur fucked there
b. what paycheck to paycheck person is going to invest their money in sth that is going to make a meaningful difference in their standard of living, it would again be the exception not the rule
like being on the ground floor of some innovative thing that takes off and makes you a billionare
eh ig
that is a good point
id like to add though that im just saying that we’re all in it for the long slog and we’re at the mercy of the gov and corps, and even if you make it and improve your conditions by grinding and hustling and luck, you’re still dealing with the squeeze from the top and it’s gonna be painful
it’s pain
yah
where’s my arc paulie!?!?
sopranos relevant to everything
hmm interesting take, I spose that makes sense
like doubt gets amplified
raw plank
I joined this server to help find a job and it gave me crippling depression
swift falcon
bold pier
Another day of regret doing a Masters! Anybody have pills to go back in time?
ebon moat
My friend is doing a engineering management masters cuz the comp sci one sucks at my school
brave forge
Another day of regret doing a Masters! Anybody have pills to go back in time?
Well thx for warning me
rotund breach
Another day of regret doing a Masters! Anybody have pills to go back in time?
for reallllll
it feels like u got on the wrong train adding ?? mins to ur travel time, but if u try to go back it'll be more costly for u so u just have to ride it out as u pass ur destination
meanwhile ur friends are posting pictures of themselves at the destination and ur just sitting there in an expensive train hoping you'll get there in time
west egret
comparison is the thief of joy
split igloo
Just don't compare yourself to the others. Your day will come and you can work on ur skill in meantime till the market getting better
solemn kite
Another day of regret doing a Masters! Anybody have pills to go back in time?
i regretted this for a while, but remember you just made the decision that seemed best at the time. And if the job market hadn't crashed, it would've been a pretty good decision
brave forge
Idk about education in SWE / programming, I’ve always felt like I could learn everything on my own better and an online degree speed run has worked out very well for me
Going for a masters would be nice but idk if I’ll ever do it, maybe one in business management feels more useful
For now tho I’ll be 20 with a degree there’s no reason to spend more of my years and money on uni
Ya everything will make wayy more sense at end of July / august
If u get return offer or not will rly decide how u spend the rest of the year
quartz plinth
associate role 
brave forge
associate role <a:aPES_AngerySaiyanLeave:666321869300957204>
Sounds normal . Written communication skills required, nice
blissful sonnet
Industry's new normal
quartz plinth
shit prolly pays 60k too lol
brave forge
60k is the new avg ng salary 
quartz plinth
60k is the new avg ng salary <:skull4k:995072130226061352>
i went through 3 interview rounds to get offered 55k + equity at a startup
brave forge
i went through 3 interview rounds to get offered 55k + equity at a startup
That’s not even liveable wtf . That’s like 40k after tax, below poverty
You can make more as a truck driver with 6 months of driving classes
quartz plinth
yep lol
on one end i’m fiending for any type of CS related role to keep myself busy for the rest of the year, but idk about that low 💀
brave forge
on one end i’m fiending for any type of CS related role to keep myself busy for ...
Ya I’d work it if u had nothing , and then leave the moment u get another job
west egret
That’s not even liveable wtf . That’s like 40k after tax, below poverty
That’s definitely liveable. Not a grand life where you can spend a whole lot but liveable.
brave forge
That’s definitely liveable. Not a grand life where you can spend a whole lot but...
Avg American makes like 70k now based on gdp per capita. 40k would only be liveable if u live with your parents
For working 40hrs a week that isn’t much. I think that comes out to 20/hr?
west egret
Yeah average. So that would mean there are those making less that get by?
brave forge
Yeah average. So that would mean there are those making less that get by?
They get by through being married couple or staying with parents
quartz plinth
They get by through being married couple or staying with parents
you could definitely scrape by on 55k a year though
west egret
And I’m not denying that it’s lower than average for this field in US
quartz plinth
it’d be textbook paycheck to paycheck though
with very little room for anything outside depending on the area
brave forge
it’d be textbook paycheck to paycheck though
Ya exactly, good luck if u have any unexpected expenses
west egret
They get by through being married couple or staying with parents
Or just having roommates?
Also depends on location
brave forge
Even 55k out in Kansas City in the Midwest would be tough
I am only making 18/hr here tho so whatever. Next yr I should be at 75k or something if I get RO
quartz plinth
W come up
brave forge
I’m an intern it’s just a job to get my skills up. Not like I could land a better normal job tho
I saw assistant mail men get paid 19.75 at the post office
quaint steppe
Even 55k out in Kansas City in the Midwest would be tough
@AaronG#1098 👋 FWIW, I lived on 49 very comfortably for two years on my own in the KC area. The average NG salary in the US is around that, which is a lot in this area. I know plenty of people doing fine on 40
pulsar mural
astro sex
west egret
Median household income in Kansas City is 60k
It’s not that far off and that’s from one source of income
brave forge
@AaronG#1098 👋 FWIW, I lived on 49 very comfortably for two years on my own in...
I’ll be 21 doing 75-80 + bonus and stock and benefits probably if I get RO
If not I am outta kansas
quaint steppe
I’ll be 21 doing 75-80 + bonus and stock and benefits probably if I get RO
Yup. You’ll be living a lush life here. I got custom tailored shirts on 49 lol
brave forge
Yup. You’ll be living a lush life here. I got custom tailored shirts on 49 lol
Who did u work for out here
There’s only like 10 actual SWE companies
quaint steppe
Local university. Switching to SWE this summer.
brave forge
Local university. Switching to SWE this summer.
Who are u trying to work for? You have the choices of Garmin, Cerner, H&E insurance, Honeywell, Shamrock, Bass Pro fishing, I can’t rly think of more. The rest are just ppl working remote for big tech
quaint steppe
Starting at Garmin in July
brave forge
Starting at Garmin in July
Damnnn which position, are you on embedded ?
I interviewed for android there and failed miserably
quaint steppe
Sort of…high level embedded. On aviation team. And I get that. I’ve failed miserably on several interviews 😂 if you got an interview, you can totally get another and try again
But I’d focus on RO at your place. Sounds like they pay better than Garmin
brave forge
Sort of…high level embedded. On aviation team. And I get that. I’ve failed miser...
They said I could. Im not really a C/C++ dev which makes it hard to work for them unless they trained me. I work for shamrock and they have a React website, react native mobile, and AWS/Node backend and that’s my favorite stack. They pay a little less then Garmin does tho, I asked a new grad and he said 75-80 generally
brave forge
But I’d focus on RO at your place. Sounds like they pay better than Garmin
What did u get at Garmin?
Google says 86k
quaint steppe
85 is pretty standard.
And I’m not super great at C, but I did some studying before the interview. All my internships were web dev
I was lucky to do a good amount of C in operating systems. Was enough
brave forge
Hmm Garmin office is in Olathe I’ve never seen it. Shamrocks is over there too in Overland Park
quaint steppe
Olathe < Overland Park. Way more boring
brave forge
This one’s mine if u have ever seen it
quaint steppe
Actually, no. Weird that I haven’t. I’m actually moving to OP next week
brave forge
This is Cerner office I saw on the high way once, they have the coolest
quaint steppe
Ohhhh. Good spot. It’s a bit south of Strang hall. Great food.
Cerner is cool. I did an internship there
brave forge
Wow what stack do they use
prisma flax
anyone applied for ead ? and if you guys got the card when did you applied and what was the timeline
ornate cliff
Sort of…high level embedded. On aviation team. And I get that. I’ve failed miser...
I saw a recent job post for Garmin aviation... It requires knowledge for a bunch of aviation stuff that I've never heard of... Did you any of those?
quaint steppe
I saw a recent job post for Garmin aviation... It requires knowledge for a bunch...
Nope. No experience at all with that
vast mica
anyone applied for ead ? and if you guys got the card when did you applied and w...
@Bonjour#2451 i applied on 1st May, still haven't received it. when did you apply?
solemn kite
@Bonjour#2451 i applied on 1st May, still haven't received it. when did you app...
Oh shit, really? I applied on 19th, still havent received it. What was the date you requested?
vast mica
Oh shit, really? I applied on 19th, still havent received it. What was the date ...
I requested 17th July as starting date
solemn kite
I requested 17th July as starting date
Do you know other people who applied at a similar time as you? Did anyone get theirs?
lucid sonnet
anyone applied for ead ? and if you guys got the card when did you applied and w...
Yeah still haven’t got it
wary garnet
Cerner is cool. I did an internship there
Big up fellow Cerner homies 🙏
blissful sonnet
anyone applied for ead ? and if you guys got the card when did you applied and w...
I applied in February, got it in 30 days
raw plank
Would it be a bad idea to explain job gap by saying I had an offer rescinded, even if thats not true
2022 grad
glad sinew
just say you were in a coma. wtf are they gonna tell you
vast mica
Yeah still haven’t got it
when did you apply
cloud zinc
Would it be a bad idea to explain job gap by saying I had an offer rescinded, ev...
I would like to know this as well, since the "mental health gap year break" schtick doesn't work
shrewd juniper
how to get a decent paying job as a ng 
brave forge
how to get a decent paying job as a ng <:copium:888129413890326608>
return offer is the only way nowadays tbh
lucid sonnet
when did you apply
I applied in April first week.
raw plank
tbh I think thats what I'm gonna do for family and friends
brave forge
<@317762557211312138> OceanGate interview process?
have to solve trapping rain water problem, while in submarine
obsidian crater
🪢
cloud zinc
<@317762557211312138> OceanGate interview process?
you'll be under a lot of pressure
obsidian crater
<@&868936794601828492>
lost ether
https://www.lmtribune.com/nation/oceangate-receives-backlash-for-posting-pilot-j...
No shot the company doesnt go bankrupt from the controversy
vast mica
I applied in April first week.
wow, its taking that much time?
solemn kite
wow, its taking that much time?
bruh no way. hopefully this is an edge case
lucid sonnet
wow, its taking that much time?
Yeah don’t know why. The status online shows card is being generated.
solemn kite
you know other people who applied around your time, and got it?
try using this: https://opttimeline.com/IOE?CASE_TY=EAD
prisma flax
@Bonjour#2451 i applied on 1st May, still haven't received it. when did you app...
May 11th and haven’t received
lucid sonnet
you know other people who applied around your time, and got it?
I know a few people who applied on 1st April got theirs a few days back so I should get mine next week mostly.
prisma flax
You applied on april 1st week and haven’t received?
I have seen people getting approved those who applied on april 12th
cloud zinc
6 months is enough for someone to go from no-clearance to secret-clearance, right?
as in, from accepting an offer to getting the clearance
brave forge
6 months is enough for someone to go from no-clearance to secret-clearance, righ...
could take up to a year, but ya 6 months should be enough
depends on what level of security clearance they want also
cloud zinc
are secret / public trust considered "entry-level" clearances?
Just want to make sure when to send an application to a secure no-name position and when not to bother
There are some roles in Indeed that are considered entry level but require something like a Top Secret clearance or poly
pastel bane
is it fine to not know about Javascript as a backend engineer?
iron lily
is it fine to not know about Javascript as a backend engineer?
u should know it in case you have to work on node based apps
primal pike
There are some roles in Indeed that are considered entry level but require somet...
some fswep roles tho
i went thru the highest clearance. took around 4 months
(canada)
cloud zinc
Fswep?
chrome nimbus
It doesn't necessarily, sometimes the secret level is more to do with where you're working or what your coworkers are doing than the particular thing you're going to be involved in. I don't know that much about it, really, but I've talked with people who did either summer internships or non-CS related things (e.g. locksmith) who needed to operate in those environments.
lucid sonnet
You applied on april 1st week and haven’t received?
Nope it’s approved but haven’t got the physical card yet.
prisma flax
Nope it’s approved but haven’t got the physical card yet.
It gives me a bit of anxiety actually
lucid sonnet
It gives me a bit of anxiety actually
Same I’m worried about that as well as finding a job before my start date.
solemn kite
Same I’m worried about that as well as finding a job before my start date.
How long did it take to be approved? Mine isn't even approved yet
lucid sonnet
How long did it take to be approved? Mine isn't even approved yet
I got the approval message on 6th June.
I had applied on 6th April
prisma flax
How long did it take to be approved? Mine isn't even approved yet
when did u applied?
rain patio
just say you were in a coma. wtf are they gonna tell you
Are you big sexy from CSUN?
solemn kite
when did u applied?
20 may. wbu? when was yours approved?
prisma flax
11th may still waiting for approval
solemn kite
I have seen people getting approved those who applied on april 12th
did they get their card as well? or just approved? So ig it's taking 2 months to get approved, and then 20 days to get the card?
My college advised me to apply when I graduated - but I should've done it earlier fml
11th may still waiting for approval
prisma flax
They got approval waiting for card
lost ether
smh no name startups taking 5 fking rounds
Trying to break your stamina to make you easier to lowball 
pure mauve
Low key a smart move cuz u made all the effort to just deny a cheap offer
obsidian frost
Is Amazon out of the hiring freeze ?
fallen fox
zon laid off like 20k+
will likely be a while before they start mass hiring ngs again
obsidian frost
True, I was talking to a recruiter and they asked me why I haven't applied to amazon and I went blank
bold thorn
what's ng jobs looking like rn (i grad in december)
tacit grove
True, I was talking to a recruiter and they asked me why I haven't applied to am...
I found this too funny...I would have too
glad sinew
Are you big sexy from CSUN?
Yea lol
coarse charm
no hiring manager is going to go into your commit history, but they can probably tell if you BS what you did on the project during an interview
timber rock
I don’t think they care I have literally never had an interviewer mention my github
coarse charm
i meant in the sense if they ask about the project
and you say you worked on some component or did more than you actually did
any follow-ups and it becomes obvious
solemn spire
Anyone bagged an offer ?
raw plank
anyone bagged an interview?
graceful sigil
devs should unionize so i can scab
paper basalt
no hiring manager is going to go into your commit history, but they can probably...
I think one of the best questions to detect bs is just ask about their data structure/management of a project
Because if they can’t tell you specifics, they cheated
prisma flax
after 3rd round got rejected 😭 from a startup
rain patio
Should i have github links on my resume for my projects?
quartz plinth
after 3rd round got rejected 😭 from a startup
im in 2nd round of a startup for 50k im considering withdrawing
have 2 more rounds after that lol
prisma flax
im in 2nd round of a startup for 50k im considering withdrawing
international?
autumn iris
prisma flax
I did a take home and it took me around 10 hours of work and multiple interviews and everything went well
prisma flax
nothing actually, only one thing I messed up is I couldn't talk about unit testing
I don't know much about it and messed it up
graceful sigil
how do u guys find startups usually, ill work for peanuts man
tardy geode
so this no name startup interviewer asked me what db would you use to design a billing software web app that works even offline , i said postgres . idk if its right or wrong
obsidian crater
odd question
lunar hatch
i think any kind of transaction-guarded db should work
cloud zinc
my god even if you win you still lose in this fucking economy
timber rock
i dont even know the difference between any dbs lol
lunar hatch
the most important thing is atomicity and consistency this case
but this is indeed very weird in ng interviews
autumn jolt
after 3rd round got rejected 😭 from a startup
@prisma flax how many offers do you have atm?
prisma flax
only 1
cloud zinc
honestly why can't companies think about these things before sending out positions
like how "immediate" can a company go south to such a degree that they just cannot offer positions after finding a suitable candidate
also what type of shitty rejection email is that
like you could have told me that the company cannot hire people without letting me know that I could have received an offer
I think the fact that they emphasized how that I would have gotten the offer is so damming
like whats the point of telling me that you wanted to hire me if you're not gonna hire me due to lack of funding
could've just said "this position is cancelled due to budget cuts" and end it there
cloud zinc
like yeah thanks for reminding me that I wasted two hours of my time preparing for an interview that required non-transferable prep skills
swift falcon
dw in a month they’ll invite you to reapply and you’ll have to go through entire process again
cloud zinc
I hope their startup goes bankrupt and that some of these workers encounter a similar job-hunting situation
raw plank
rip
cloud zinc
literally my only path to employment is getting a masters. I hear job-hunting for entry level roles will be more difficult with a post-graduate degree, so it looks like there's no winning no matter how I approach getting a job
fallen fox
international + no name school = ROPE
bold pier
I hope their startup goes bankrupt and that some of these workers encounter a si...
Amen, same happened twice with me. These MFs need to learn.
cloud zinc
The fact that no other company would take the risk and consider me for a final interview step like STI is what makes this even more of a waste of time
bold pier
international + no name school = ROPE
You don't even need the second part
obsidian crater
just rope tbh
cloud zinc
In a normal world, I would've been canned from the final interview because I lack C# and .Net experience. But instead, they decided to interview me based on some higher-level CS/SE concepts that gave me a chance to demonstrate what I can offer to the company
obsidian crater
Not gonna lie their email is super scummy
To say you have an offer but also not
Just say no offer
cloud zinc
Every other company would either screen applicants with leetcode problems or immediately reject applicants that don't have the bare minimum tool experience. So none of the skills I gained from preparing for this interview would be transferable to any other company that I'd be competing for
I will never let this situation go
It will stay with me til I croak in my 80's
obsidian crater
leave a glassdoor review
cloud zinc
I'll do more than that
I'll send a response denouncing the recruiter for the awful, unprofessional email response and spoil all of the tricks and trades of the interview that were purposefully hidden from me during the screening rounds
what are they gonna do, blacklist me from a company that can't hire people anyways?
you're right. I'll probably just do the glassdoor thing then
I was thinking about telling the recruiter "I am appalled by the casual tone of your previous email, and I wish you would disclose this news with more tact and professionalism in the future", but there wouldn't be any outcome that wouldn't bite me in the ass.
whole berry
you're right. I'll probably just do the glassdoor thing then
yes, add to glassdoor
make a reddit post
glassdoor i heard companies can pay to remove bad reviews
cloud zinc
glassdoor i heard companies can pay to remove bad reviews
disgusting
whole berry
disgusting
yup
so just to make sure your pain wasnt for nothing
reddit post is the best way
ornate cliff
Holy fuck.... Is this a manager or a recruiter?
cloud zinc
Holy fuck.... Is this a manager or a recruiter?
small startup, so both
ornate cliff
I'm speechless.... "Congrats on the offer"... What the fuck is wrong with people
cloud zinc
reddit post is the best way
not sure where to vent on reddit. CScareerquestions and my university subreddit seems out of scope for this type of topic
fallen fox
actual sadist dev
ornate cliff
I would reply "Hi just to make sure I'm not going insane, you congratulated me on offer, but also...didn't give me the offer? Am I reading that right?"
raw plank
reply as if you only read the first part
ornate cliff
Dear Chad,
If you can't afford to hire me, could you please clarify what exactly you're congratulating me for?
cloud zinc
I've already sent a response email on "reading the message right". I wish I could've added that other part before hitting send
I honestly don't care about not sending an email anymore. Any company that I break into that has this guy contacting applicants is a place I have no business working for
quartz plinth
speaking of
i got a job offer at a startup paying like 35 an hour last month
went through the process and wtv
they took 2 weeks to get back to me
and then said congrats we were impressed but we ran over our employee budget so we can only offer you an unpaid role
i actually had to do a double take lol
mfs then proceeded to say you can work here for 3 months unpaid and if we are impressed we can consider paying you
cloud zinc
vile
obsidian crater
haram
pulsar mural
haram
fallen fox
haram
solemn spire
Fuck. I would cry
Especially how fukin desperate we are atm. Thats just so heartbreaking
cloud zinc
Got a response from my recent email. Glad the recruiter finally mentioned the hiring freeze, but I'm not sure if mixing up applicants makes the earlier response better or worse
tacit grove
Got a response from my recent email. Glad the recruiter finally mentioned the hi...
oh wow that's really messed up. which company is this?
cloud zinc
STI Computer Services
tacit grove
Okay
Has anyone seen any company actually hiring atm? linkedin was empty today - didn't see anything new
tesla and apple were but everything seems to have slowed down for the past week
cloud zinc
found a bunch of junior dev roles with no-name companies on Indeed. Though you'll have to specify the exact city and state that they are based in
unfortunately, most of these roles require a security clearance
tacit grove
unfortunately, most of these roles require a security clearance
oh no...okay
amazon has started to hire again but only for US citizens plus mid level
otherthan that I'm not seeing anything
will things open up in the coming 2 months or am I being too optimistic?
solemn spire
Oh so she was congratulating offer from another company
raw plank
still messed up to say
cloud zinc
exactly
raw plank
it almost sounds bitter with the new context
chrome nimbus
I know places hiring, but, for senior roles not new grad
raw plank
the person you mixed up with might have tried to negotiate with another offer lol
tacit grove
I know places hiring, but, for senior roles not new grad
which ones?
chrome nimbus
local (to me) and remote, smaller companies, not big names
solemn spire
Still a shit thing to say but I understand bit of what they were trying to say. Its fucked up
cloud zinc
This bozo has no business talking to applicants in the screening process. Makes me appreciate communication skills that recruiters and HR managers possess
chrome nimbus
there's also regularly things on the Python Developers Slack channel in #job_board (many are European or otherwise international there, though). I definitely don't keep too up to date with what's happening there, though
autumn iris
are people with citizenship + at a top school even doing well either
well im graduating
Not internship 
quartz plinth
are people with citizenship + at a top school even doing well either
nope
swift falcon
congratulations!
timber rock
lets gooo
split plaza
yooo
pulsar mural
yo
autumn iris
how was the interview process
tacit grove
is this for snowflake? and what was the timeline?
timid steeple
hey folks
Does anyone know if Amazon is releasing new grad postings for next year?
untold fjord
How do that works? serious question
even if it unpaid?
idk but somehow my friend lied and they still got an offer lol.
yeah he applied for intern, got the internship and return offer later.
and its a fortune 500 and he lied on resume about an internship lol.
company be trippin
he got into
idk but yeah tks for the head up
obsidian crater
rip
solemn spire
how does one know they got blacklisted?
does background check tells you if you traveled to another country or not?
solemn spire
just vacay
fallen fox
but if you stayed in a foreign country for a considerable amount of time, you probably need to mention that
solemn spire
i see
fallen fox
tuition is 13k/semester
obsidian crater
depends on the background check @solemn spire
a standard corporation background check doesn't really care that much
A government clearance? They look at everything.
fallen fox
solemn spire
A government clearance? They look at everything.
ty ty
solemn spire
tuition is 13k/semester
damnn
tardy geode
obsidian crater
ngmi
untold fjord
Hey is it good to apply for unpaid position to brush up my interview skills? Like I never interview b4 💀.
my friend is also the same. But she got a baby. Unless u got a baby ...
Jk lol
crimson stump
Hey guys has anyone here given an assessment on wonderlic?
rain patio
Maybe working at an IT place isn't so bad
pulsar mural
@rain patio
rain patio
First day at work, and even tho I was there for 9.5 hours, time flew by and I learned so much!
rain patio
yeah true
rain patio
while I only get $18/hr, I bet there's a lot of opportunity for growth. If I can automate a lot of the stuff they're doing, I bet I'll get a big fat raise
rain patio
what did u learn
I learned a ton about networking stuff like routers, SIM cards, cellular networks, and setting up brand new routers and devices to connect to the internet
swift falcon
ah nice
rain patio
It's a high tech security camera company, and they build a lot of stuff in-house. Their cameras each have their own router and can connect to cellular lol. You can literally send text messages to and from the cameras 😂
but they're also super expensive
Oh yeah, i bet i'll be learning that next hehehe
Then I'll be able to write code for the cameras too
Apparently they have AI capabilities, but my boss doesn't know how to get it working
And he doesn't really have much time to try either
I kinda feel bad. He has to work like 12+ hours a day
But that's how it is when you're a small business owner
pulsar mural
@lunar sonnet
rain patio
yeah this job is nice!
I'm going to work hard so i can get a raise hehehe
I'll ask them for a $10/hr raise lmao
it's so funny because the company originally started out in this tiny little room, and they've continued to have to move to larger buildings as they've grown
The current building they're in is already packed with all the equipment and cameras they work on, so maybe they're going to expand again soon
Sounds like they're doing pretty well
LOL
graceful bobcat
Are recruiters reaching out for full time roles to people who are graduating in December 2023?
Or is the full time hiring still for May June grads?
prisma flax
bro u still in 2021 ? no recruiter is reaching out literally
atleast I haven't heard
graceful bobcat
bro u still in 2021 ? no recruiter is reaching out literally
I meant are they responding to applications.
prisma flax
Nope, they have tons of options and are not bothering to respond
south sable
I learned a ton about networking stuff like routers, SIM cards, cellular network...
I found networking interesting when I learned it in school
There's certainly a lot to it but I like SW dev more so
prisma flax
maybe they are not connecting with me bcuz am literally in a noname school and international
south sable
Maybe working at an IT place isn't so bad
So depends on what you like
rain patio
There's certainly a lot to it but I like SW dev more so
Yeah software dev is what I want to do eventually, but I bet having a knowledge of IT stuff will help me hehehhehe
exotic lintel
gonna learn how to hack people's IP address
Oh hey im also in CS server
graceful sigil
???
ebon moat
"entry level" 🤪
south sable
"entry level" 🤪
fr entry level is ironic at this point
for something that is supposed to allow 'entrance', it's highly discouraging
marble ivy
bro u still in 2021 ? no recruiter is reaching out literally
there are recruiters reaching out but it’s mainly for consulting
bold pier
Is Goldman hiring rn or it's just ghost entries on LinkedIn?
bold pier
there are recruiters reaching out but it’s mainly for consulting
Less consulting more acting firms, how the fuck they fake freshers resume for 8+ years experience jobs
prisma flax
I am doomed
ebon moat
We*
prisma flax
My dream of getting into big tech is burst officially
Now getting a job become so difficult
marble ivy
it’s those indian consulting companies
solemn spire
it’s those indian consulting companies
Its so much. I wonder what they actually do.
prisma flax
True but have to see what happens
bold pier
it’s those indian consulting companies
Somehow it looks like they are the only option I have 
crimson trail
Which Big tech company is best right now
fallen fox
conduent
tacit grove
<@705200549636603974> do you have yogis discord?
I don't...If you are able to get in contact with him lmk as I need to ask him a couple of questions too
oblique wasp
Hey everyone,
I have a behvioral interview coming up tomorrow. Any good resource to follow for preparing behavioral questions?
raw plank
mfw I only get interviews for non SE roles and they tell me I should be applying for SE
bold pier
Hey everyone,
I have a behvioral interview coming up tomorrow. Any good resourc...
Follow the rule of 3Ms before interview -
Meditate, Masturbate (x2)
graceful sigil
bruh how r u people even getting interviews im so doomed 💀
autumn iris
are u guys applying to local or like
anywhere in US
also i havent seen anything open yet
prob next month?
brave forge
I would do anywhere but there are legit 0 jobs out there
Unless you want to be a tester
But true SWE ng jobs are non existent it seems. Maybe next month it’ll be better
graceful sigil
yeah im seeing barely anything truly ng but im just searching by junior and applying to stuff
brave forge
Do u have luck hitting jr as a new grad
graceful sigil
theres no way work is that hard bro i seen some places start saying 6+ months of experience now like bruh come on man just take a new grad
no sir lol
brave forge
theres no way work is that hard bro i seen some places start saying 6+ months of...
It isn’t fr most new grads could easily do jr work, given that you’ve at least done an intern or two
graceful sigil
yeah i posted a pic yesterday a descripion said "basic programming knowledge and skills" but also 5+ years of experience
wtf man
i dont even get leetcode assessments, i feel like that would help me honestly
raw plank
@graceful sigil the only interviews I got in past 4 months was cloud engineer and hardware QA
both told me why tf are u applying to this?
brave forge
<@361245018020642817> the only interviews I got in past 4 months was cloud engin...
ya that's the thing it always feels like SWE-assistant roles instead of actual SWE roles
raw plank
Haven’t had a SE interview since last year
graceful sigil
people here make me feel like grad school is the only option man but i jsut want to work
depends, my friends professor that he did research assistance for turbo lied and gassed him up without even asking lol, he didnt know they were gonna contact the people he listed. but that wasnt swe
bold pier
people here make me feel like grad school is the only option man but i jsut want...
Grad school is an option only if market improves in 2 years
Otherwise we grads are also fked rn, even with years of experience.
rain patio
depends, my friends professor that he did research assistance for turbo lied and...
thats what im doing, i dont want them to contact them 😂 should i leave the name off
i feel like it makes it look less legit tho
i mean it isnt mega legit
but yeah
graceful sigil
i mean if it helps you get interviews but still eventually rejected bc of reference that seems better than where im at lol
i just dont understand how there can be like no jobs man
brave forge
well ng 2024 is just barely getting started. It's still 1 year out until the normal June grad date
graceful sigil
bro some of the people in my group for my senior project were complete bums and had jobs already
they got me fucked up
are you guys giving up and getting normal jobs? idk man no shot we r supposed to just sit on our hands and wait for stuff to open up
brave forge
are you guys giving up and getting normal jobs? idk man no shot we r supposed to...
ive got an internship rn and im going all in hoping they give me an 80k return offer
and they let me extend my intern because i need employment rn not next year
and I'll be an Associate Software Engineer not one of those BS roles
obsidian crater
ngl if shamrock was hiring I'd ask for referra
brave forge
i actually could start handing out referrals to everybody on here because they let interns recommend, but you dont get the 1k bonus until your a full time employee
and ive also never seen them post new grad roles, the only thing they do is like jr or mid-level SWE's sometimes . I think they have enough new grads from the intern returns
rain patio
i actually could start handing out referrals to everybody on here because they l...
ill take one 👀
graceful sigil
i actually could start handing out referrals to everybody on here because they l...
how many nudes i gotta send for one
graceful sigil
data engineer looks dope, i could dm you my resume if you think i would actually have a chance
brave forge
Ya send it over I read it and it doesn't say anywhere that you need to have experience
random saffron
AHHAHAHAHAHH
shut crescent
data engineer looks dope, i could dm you my resume if you think i would actually...
im doing data engineering rn its good pay and its simple asf
u use mostly sql and python
finish my work in like 2 hours really
graceful sigil
got a call from a place that wanted 2+ years wtf
pulsar mural
:CLe_PeepoSleep:
obsidian crater
yahkuna
pulsar mural
yo
obsidian crater
where can I get some good quality rope?
pulsar mural
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