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#2023_grads
crimson stump
Hey guys I'm applying for jobs rn and planning to do some projects. Should I go for JavaScript projects or .net projects. Which is better to learn in job perspective?
bold pier
@fallen fox
fallen fox
vital meteor
me after 400+ rejections
400+ so far 
crimson stump
JavaScript frontend, .Net backend
But you can do full stack with just JS or just C# right? So why both?
shrewd juniper
You can technically, but the demands not there
quartz plinth
400+ so far <:gladge:922955236212101161>
this YEAR?
shrewd juniper
I'm thinking cant you use a framework like blazor? It uses C# for the FE logic
split igloo
lmao reddit blackout didn’t go well. Mods r afraid of losing their power trippin 😂
crimson stump
Ok so JS first, then .net and java later
But I feel like lot of companies are hiring for .NET right now
bold pier
But I feel like lot of companies are hiring for .NET right now
Don't go by anecdotal evidence, I'm terms of no. of jobs - JS > Java > .Net
Combination of first two will cover most.
You gotta let some jobs go, one can't be good in everything
ornate cliff
But I feel like lot of companies are hiring for .NET right now
make a MERN project... don't worry about .NET for now
crimson stump
You gotta let some jobs go, one can't be good in everything
Yeah got it thanks!
crimson stump
make a MERN project... don't worry about .NET for now
Yep will start with that
rain patio
Don't go by anecdotal evidence, I'm terms of no. of jobs - JS > Java > .Net
Comb...
what about python?
obsidian crater
I mean Python/JS are very simple
bold pier
Overall Python probably #1, but a lot of Python jobs include Data Science stack as well. In terms of SWE and Web JS and Java are our lord and saviors
obsidian crater
Java is harder and C++ even harder
JS is a garbo language but it's everywhere now
all frontends for sure
JS pilled
swift falcon
how is python #1
bold pier
Personally I hate JS, I really likes TS though
swift falcon
we’re talking abt usage right?
bold pier
how is python #1
Number of overall jobs which require Python
obsidian crater
Python is easy and used by more than just SWEs
swift falcon
too bad i live in .net central tho
bold pier
obsidian crater
C# is a nice langauge
swift falcon
Here are some numbers https://levelup.gitconnected.com/programming-languages-wit...
weird
Im surprised
but then I was also surprised to learn python is actually older than java
bold pier
LMAO SQL No.1
obsidian crater
Not all coding is done by startups or high tech corps
bold pier
Apparently because they couldn't search for it properly
obsidian crater
A lot of is boring .NET/Java work
bold pier
all .net/Java jobs are senior
True, I ask people for referrals, they tell me to point to jobs from career site, find out all jobs are Lead and Senior Java Developer 
bold pier
Google will kill Google before it kills anyone
bold pier
They follow "Fail Fast" methodology, but the PMs forgot to note down the second word during the presentation so now they just Fail
timber rock
python will kill c++
agile arrow
Python is not even competing with C++ though
What’s more likely is a lot of C++ will be replaced by Rust.
rain patio
What if they wrote a program that converts python code to ultra optimized assembly?
bold pier
pulsar mural
rat
ornate cliff
Meta recruiter
bold pier
Meta recruiter
❤️
lost ether
Is Meta still recruiting even if they're bleeding from metaverse 
south sable
make a MERN project... don't worry about .NET for now
My gah, I've made like 3 MERN projects
No job yet and especially no interviews after 🫠
ornate cliff
Bruh how do you pass resume screen at Tesla
bold pier
Tweet to Elmo, say vaccines are fake
rain patio
My gah, I've made like 3 MERN projects
yeah this is my greatest fear. Projects don't matter 😭
crystal steppe
Bruh how do you pass resume screen at Tesla
Even if you pass they'll ghost you 🤣
rain patio
Why does Amazon have 30 minute virtual interviews for Full Time positions but a 45 minute interview for Interns? Feels stupid, I wonder how many of those hires even know how to code?
chilly burrow
yeah this is my greatest fear. Projects don't matter 😭
I've made like 5 projects and have heard back from Snap, Amazon, Tesla, Nuro, Brex, Uber and more
I guess projects don't matter 😔
Also my current fulltime job I got because of a project
But I guess projects don't matter 😔
fallen fox
afghanistan truck simulator on c#, unity3d
rain patio
I'm targeting swe jobs tho, not gamedev
west pagoda
Why does Amazon have 30 minute virtual interviews for Full Time positions but a ...
They don’t anymore, afaif they had that for a bit at 2021 hiring peak
azure zephyr
Also my current fulltime job I got because of a project
how's that job going btw?
rain patio
They don’t anymore, afaif they had that for a bit at 2021 hiring peak
Wow, so there was a time where people could just google LeetCode solutions and get into Amazon being paid 170K/year, must have been great!
Now it looks like no interns would even get return offer.
west pagoda
The wild hiring of the past is partly why we are in the current situation for sure
rain patio
I've made like 5 projects and have heard back from Snap, Amazon, Tesla, Nuro, Br...
What kind of projects tho? I don't know what counts as a good project without overdoing it. Like obviously making the next reddit would look good, but if you can do that on your own, why not just make your own company?
What are good projects that are feasible for new grads?
fallen fox
They don’t anymore, afaif they had that for a bit at 2021 hiring peak
i think some people still got 1x30 for 2023 ng before the hiring freeze
chilly burrow
how's that job going btw?
Haven't started yet
chilly burrow
What kind of projects tho? I don't know what counts as a good project without ov...
- a simple website that tracks average gpas for courses at my school. Got a lot of page views which recruiters like
- a webapp that allows ppl to see how their resumes parse. Also got a few page views.
- a simple trading algo that made some money and placed me in top 3 of a trading competition.
Not allowed to discuss here per the server's rules
rain patio
- a simple website that tracks average gpas for courses at my school. Got a lot ...
Oh nice! The trading algo in particular looks interesting to me lol
I wanna make money too
Maybe I should get into algo trading lmao
chilly burrow
Maybe I should get into algo trading lmao
Well I wouldn't recommend tryna put real money into it
It's not so simple to make an algo that consistently is profitable
But there's no harm in trying to learn
ornate cliff
yeah this is my greatest fear. Projects don't matter 😭
They do... Some places like Apple look for very specific skillset and will gladly interview you if it's a relevant project
....from the interview stories that I've heard at least
rain patio
potent meteor
Will amazon hire new grad this year?
obsidian crater
- a simple website that tracks average gpas for courses at my school. Got a lot ...
Cool projects, what trading competition did you go to?
chilly burrow
Cool projects, what trading competition did you go to?
Nothing huge, competition at my school lol
obsidian crater
ah
rotund breach
change da world
ebon moat
this should fix it
coarse bramble
south sable
Also my current fulltime job I got because of a project
The only case where they have mattered to me is when the project I did was relevant to what the company did. I got two internship offers solely because they were interested in a project I did
It was a specific industry so I'm guessing the domain knowledge and the fact I had done some hands on stuff is what caught their eye
marble ivy
rip 2023 grads too
atleast u all can still apply to new grad roles, us 2022 grads can’t
timber rock
while (true) {
buy_dn();
sell_dn();
}
cloud zinc
atleast u all can still apply to new grad roles, us 2022 grads can’t
are you serious
I thought the year-limit was just a rumor
vital meteor
I thought the year-limit was just a rumor
No some applications will specifically state 1 year from grad but others are less than 1 YOE
brave forge
rip 2023 grads too
u have a job, you dont need to apply for new grad roles
and "soon" isnt even until 2024 june when 2023 grads will have their year used up
rain patio
It's not a pure swe job tho. And the guy I'm replacing was a high school kid lol
I guess I should be happy i don't have to work at abuffet anymore
brave forge
i would be
i would probably burn down the buffet too or punch a customer which is why i dont do service jobs anymore lmao
rain patio
Loll
brave forge
i wish i beat up my old stupid lady boss but i didnt and it bugs me now. i like my clean record though
rain patio
LMAO
swift falcon
Have any of you seen that tiktok of the dude who had a Geology degree. He was trying to go the normal hiring route applying and did like 500 apps or sth.
He finally got fed up, added as many people with his target job/degree on linkedin and then posted his resume for critique, and then got a job within six hours?
brave forge
i can believe that. some people have no clue what a resume should look like and put out stuff that looks attrocious
solemn spire
Well hello 2023 grads
timber rock
Hello
brave forge
i network with cio he said dont talk to him again
brave forge
no that never happened lol. but the one time i talked to whats basically the CEO acting as CIO because his dad is CEO for my company it was just talking about business and our lives
i hope at the end of the internship he's like "astro_dev was a cool guy, you guys make sure you hire him"
he probably forgot about me exactly 5 minutes after i went back to my desk lol
brave forge
ya he took the interns out for lunch at a nice bar like last week
swift falcon
I don’t have anyone at my job added, but you never know
brave forge
he talked to all of us (there's 5 swe interns) and took a picture with us that went on the company linkedin feed
i rode up front with him in his audi R8 lol
swift falcon
ah nice
deep wasp
Anyone have an opinion on the best leetcode qs to memorize ?
vital meteor
Anyone have an opinion on the best leetcode qs to memorize ?
The only to make sure is to memorize every one imo
vital leaf
I have added my resume for review. feel free to review it 🙂 https://discord.com/channels/698366411864670250/1120133264225599619
split igloo
I recently referred my buddy to local startup and he got an offer after few rounds!! Now he doesn't have to worry about deportation. Me and my bois hitting bar tonight for celebration 🎉
rotund breach
I have added my resume for review. feel free to review it 🙂 https://discord.com...
LGTM
split igloo
It seems like many local companies still hiring. So, don't lose hope, keep applying and grinding 💪
rotund breach
I have added my resume for review. feel free to review it 🙂 https://discord.com...
Feel free to add sys design docs and a link to the project in gh
cloud zinc
which local companies?
cloud zinc
I yearn for the no-names. That won't be an issue
split igloo
networking is the key tbh or YComb had event yesterday in Mountain View. Any kinds of event would be helpful in this economy
Honestly, I stopped sitting front of my computer leetcoding, instead going out and attending events where I can network with ppl in the industry
My buddy interned at Meta 2 times, yet didn't get a return offer. Welp we are both from no name school maybe that's why. But, yeah gotta proactive as much as possible
cloud zinc
I've relapsed from my leetcode streak to send applications on indeed willy nilly
west pagoda
Ngl leetcode + learning fundamentals is way more fun than actual dev grind work
split igloo
I mean cold applying doesn't seem to work (imo) So I stopped doimg things virtually in hopes of getting interviews
At least if I talk with ppl in person, I can get their attention for a bit and maybe I can do quick interview where I can impress them, eventually leads me to another opportunities
This doesn't work for everyone , but it worked for me at least
solemn kite
anyone found any intern postings that allows new grads to apply?
It's crazy trying to sift through linkedin
solemn spire
only channel where I felt like home is now deleted
brave forge
only channel where I felt like home is now deleted
just become a 2023 grad
brave forge
tell them you went into a coma so you couldn't apply
now you just woke up and are applying, so your basically a 2023 grad
results may vary
south sable
Ngl leetcode + learning fundamentals is way more fun than actual dev grind work
I feel like that's the dopamine of learning something new
With the grind, you kind of externalize the impact but learning something actually motivates you
zealous pebble
How much time does jpmc generally take to release an offer after the final interview?
oblique wasp
If anyone is interviewing at Payscale then please dm
swift falcon
we’re next
cloud zinc
you'll have better luck than us
we've graduated right when the unemployment/layoff beast rears its ugly head
whole berry
No
chilly burrow
No
Is #2023_winter visible?
fossil jewel
rip 2022 grads
north sand
I'm graduating in Fall 2023, I'm just praying my company gives me a return offer 🙏
Are there any current listings for NG or are they posting mainly in July?
solemn spire
Its over for us isnt it 😔
swift falcon
Its over for us isnt it 😔
it’s over for the little guy
vital meteor
https://tenor.com/view/wojak-wojak-sunset-wojak-crying-dank-jotism-gif-21381794
congratz, a job is a job 
get that exp and jump in the future
shrewd juniper
starting my first day at my new job (low paying IT/Software job)
I feel u. Just started my underpaid SWE job as well 
whole berry
gentle lodge
#2022_grads is gone 
and there's a 2024_grads channel now? reeeeeee
gib job
Should I start a masters already a year gone
cloud zinc
Should I start a masters <:HideThePain:817831308393971724> already a year gone
might as well
got rejected immediately from Raython's integration engineering role, yet I am still considered for an SE I role that I applied to ten days ago
grizzled cipher
lmao does anyone feel like they been grinding lc for so long that they forgot how to actually code real shit?
fossil root
lmao does anyone feel like they been grinding lc for so long that they forgot ho...
yes, but that's where projects might be useful...still need to get working on that personal website
also after staight nothing but rejections for a while I finally got a r1 with Epic 
i had buddies that hated working there so much they just quit but hey, i'll take anything at this point
grizzled cipher
also after staight nothing but rejections for a while I finally got a r1 with Ep...
im illiterate what does r1 mean
rotund breach
where jops
fossil root
round 1
little cypress
helloo i’m looking for technical product manager jobs for the fall or spring time, do y’all know any companies hiring? i’ve applied to a bunch of places but i’ve gotten ghosted from some and others decline/say the position was alr filled? 💔 let me know
brave forge
lmao does anyone feel like they been grinding lc for so long that they forgot ho...
ngl doing an intern this summer brought back so many memories of how to actually code
reminded me there's a world outside shitty uni projects and leetcode
rotund breach
lmao does anyone feel like they been grinding lc for so long that they forgot ho...
God yes
grizzled cipher
kinda makes me scared that when i start ft imma not know how to code anything practical
cause all i know is fucking sliding windows and binary search
blissful sonnet
That's why the industry is full of leetcode monkeys who don't know how 2 code
grizzled cipher
i thin im fine with basic logic; i find the issue is that interview processes tend to be way more skewed towards lc type questions making me incentivised to grind out lc more than actual framework stuff
but then again thats just been my experience with interviewing
the most ill get in terms of actual tech stack type quetions would just be some trivia questions rather than smth id have to actually code out
swift falcon
empty inbox vibes
do independent recruiters take juneteenth off?
I want to know if I’m getting technical interview 
marble ivy
do independent recruiters take juneteenth off?
it’s a federal holiday so most good companies have it off
rotund breach
lc working for me rn
brave forge
it’s a federal holiday so most good companies have it off
i dont have today off 💀
south sable
i dont have today off 💀
intern life?
bold pier
do independent recruiters take juneteenth off?
I'm hoping they do, I'm waiting for interview results 😭
swift falcon
6 hrs of coding 😢
how does it feel to be living my dream
I had off too, but would have been nice to hear back
debating whether to meet with my university’s career center
only problem is meeting times this week are basically during my work meetings
spring lodge
anybody have experience w lockheed martin early career swe interview process?
cloud zinc
anybody have experience w lockheed martin early career swe interview process?
have the applications open for that particular role?
spring lodge
ye for CA and CO
cloud zinc
neat
rain patio
6 hrs of coding 😢
I wanna code instead of scooping food and washing dishes😭
ornate cliff
anyone want to be teammate to solve leetcode together
im noob
naive latch
You want to make a team? Online solving leetcode
bold pier
anyone want to be teammate to solve leetcode together
Yes, I'll belt you while you solve problems
modest rampart
anyone want to be teammate to solve leetcode together
me
south sable
I wanna code instead of scooping food and washing dishes😭
oh i know that feel
I'm doing that at home and honestly, I'd rather worry about code than touch food on a plate (that, yes, I ate)
swift falcon
I'm doing that at home and honestly, I'd rather worry about code than touch food...
adult life is like neverending dishes with brief periods of not doing dishes
rain patio
6 hrs of coding 😢
Imagine not having juneteenth off
rain patio
adult life is like neverending dishes with brief periods of not doing dishes
you guys have dishes!?
I'm in this awkward middle ground where I know cooking food is cheaper in the long run, but I can't afford the initial cost of buying kitchen ware and ingredients to make good food. And I suck at cooking lol
I can get all the food i need at the pizza buffet for $9.50 a day lol
I've gotten good at eating all my calories in just one big meal
The buffet has vegtables too
rain patio
yeah it's kinda sad
pulsar mural
@rain patio
rain patio
fast food is still absurdly expensive, but buffets are that nice middle ground between price and healthy options lol
swift falcon
I'm in this awkward middle ground where I know cooking food is cheaper in the lo...
yeah I spent a bunch of money on ingredients for tik tok dish
I think it might have still been cheaper then going out to eat, because it fed the whole family, tasted great and had 2 meals worth of leftovers
but I also have left over ingredients which is not the best
swift falcon
yeah I really need to curb my eating out
it's just pissing money away
half the time it's not good
fallen fox
rain patio
Meal prep
swift falcon
Meal prep
I'm thinking of making like 6lbs of ground beef, 6lbs of rice, beans and then meal prep that into like 30 burritos
obsidian crater
I meal prep
rain patio
Good
obsidian crater
But meal prep food is not tasty
swift falcon
I saw another tik tok where a family meal prepped slow cooker stuff, so they just have to heat it up
might try sth like that
obsidian crater
I applied to conduent
swift falcon
FEEDING KIDS IS SO OBNOXIOUS YOU GUYS DON"T EVEN UNDERSTAND
THEY BITCH ABOUT EVERYTHING
swift falcon
i'm abt to feed them nothing but dino nuggies and noodles
if one of them like the meal the other will hate it out of spite
they waste meat and shit like that which is sacrilege
obsidian crater
unholy
swift falcon
I had to yell at my boy, YOU EAT THE MEAT, THE VEGGIES THEN THE CARBS
obsidian crater
@fallen fox how much does conduent pay?
fallen fox
<@227064594990891020> how much does conduent pay?
💀
obsidian crater
Is it at least 50k
fallen fox
yeah
rain patio
FEEDING KIDS IS SO OBNOXIOUS YOU GUYS DON"T EVEN UNDERSTAND
As a kid i understand
obsidian crater
I have roommates + lcol
obsidian crater
Now I gotta read CTCI
Cracking the Conduent Interview
ngl
Conduent would probably pay more than the current backup plan I have lined up
Which is $15/hr at a startup coding C
🪢
I hate meal prepping ngl
My diet is like ~150g protein each day, about $80/week
conduent gib job
swift falcon
bro handshake is so trash
these mf scam places like Alltech
and then the CityYear and Center for Urban Teaching shit
like bro I'm not working as a volunteer after getting my Master's
south sable
My diet is like ~150g protein each day, about $80/week
Call me privileged but is that expensive for to spend on food in US?
obsidian crater
It's probably on the lower side
south sable
Because compared to what my dad shells out for a family, that's comparatively cheaper
obsidian crater
My food purchases are kinda budget friendly
rain patio
Call me privileged but is that expensive for to spend on food in US?
decent for one person imo
my grocery bill is about that
swift falcon
we're between 120-200$ for groceries depending on the week, feeding family of 4 + 1 toddler, and that's at ALDI mostly
obsidian crater
I go to the cheapest grocery store, buy canned veggies and don't really buy snacks or eat out
south sable
Yeah, I thought it might be
obsidian crater
I'm sure if I went to target or something instead of Aldi and Walmart it'd cost way more
south sable
No trader joes for Commander
obsidian crater
My diet is also really high in protein because I lift
swift falcon
ground turkie
rain patio
yea its a bit lower
obsidian crater
Most people are not going to be eating ~150g protein per day
rain patio
i usually shop at trader joes or safeway in college
obsidian crater
I'm sure if I eat only pasta, beans and ramen I could probably live off $30 a week or something
nimble wren
I'm sure if I eat only pasta, beans and ramen I could probably live off $30 a we...
I eat a lot of tofu, rice and veggies and spend less than $50 a week
obsidian crater
fair enough
south sable
bro how much do you lift?
obsidian crater
3 full body workouts a week for 90 minutes and cardio sometimes on rest days
obsidian crater
I probably don't need 150g of protein a day
obsidian crater
But it keeps me full and stops me from eating chips
swift falcon
if I don't have protein I die (and I don't lift)
obsidian crater
If I eat less protein, I want to eat a lot of junk food
south sable
fiber's good for that as well
south sable
just much on some blueberries or bananas
obsidian crater
Blueberries and strawberries
obsidian crater
wait until you learn meat comes from animals that can get sick
obsidian crater
unironically I dislike vegetables more than fruit
swift falcon
garlic + onions + tomatoes are all u need
obsidian crater
garlic is fire though
swift falcon
mb some brocolli and carrots
and peppers
i'm srsly trying to remember the last time I ate fruit
obsidian crater
ITS OVER
ITS OVER BOYS
ITS FUCKING OVER
I got auto rejected in like 20 minutes
@fallen fox teach me how you did it lol
cloud zinc
might as well apply to their system analyst roles
obsidian crater
They auto rejected me breh
cloud zinc
did the java role require 5+ yoe?
lament basin
rip 2022_grads
swift falcon
Master Spring Boot
I submitted that app as a meme tbh
Currently debating on whether or not to send a 2 month follow up email to an interview I had in April asking why they didn't pick me. I have had 2 very vivid dreams about it in the interim and feel like it is contributing to my insanity.
bold pier
Full send
vital meteor
Currently debating on whether or not to send a 2 month follow up email to an int...
start looking for employees for that company in linkedin and msg them too
swift falcon
start looking for employees for that company in linkedin and msg them too
It would be directly to the guy that interviewed me.
That I have "beef" with.
bold pier
I have mailed and messaged every single person I know or don't know things I would have never 6 months ago, regret nothing coz otherwise I'll go insane knowing I didn't even try when I could have
swift falcon
I have mailed and messaged every single person I know or don't know things I wou...
damn fr? how many responses have you gotten?
bold pier
damn fr? how many responses have you gotten?
4-5 out of 80 or so
swift falcon
dang that's not very good but hey it's the thought
bold pier
dang that's not very good but hey it's the thought
All we need is for 1 and only 1 to bear fruits, that's all
spare hinge
I got auto rejected in like 20 minutes
lmao the exact same thing happened with me
obsidian crater
boomer companies
delicate sigil
does anyone have resumeworded pro? i need it once please
swift falcon
honestly I just want to do Spring Boot, it seems fun to work with
errant karma
I live and breath spring boot at my job
swift falcon
I live and breath spring boot at my job
do you enjoy it?
I have enjoyed the few tutorials I’ve worked through. It just seems like a robust and useful framework.
idk
errant karma
I can’t say I really like it but it is alright
bold pier
It has all the integrations in the world
tacit grove
is there a github link of companies that are hiring?
solemn spire
Bro
pseudo dock
mans is thirsty
grizzled cipher
bro whwat do yall usually say when you get hit with 'name a time you had a conflict in the workplace and howd you deal with it'
i deadass never kno what to say cause lowkey i never had a srs conflict
woven berry
You use a story of yours and add more detail 😉
I hate behavioral questions
With a passion
obsidian crater
uh just lie
woven berry
As long as the story highlights a good positive trait of yours
And your problem solving in situations like that but like commander said
Just lie
swift falcon
i deadass never kno what to say cause lowkey i never had a srs conflict
You could maybe say "I've been lucky where I've never had any sort of conflict in my career, however if I were to have a conflict, say over how something was done or implemented, I would try to do some sort of conflict resolution where I listen to them and actively communicate, yadda yadda etc."
woven berry
I just add extra details to things that have already happened with me
swift falcon
and just try to make it fit the STAR framework ig
woven berry
^
jovial rain
i deadass never kno what to say cause lowkey i never had a srs conflict
I just make up a story about any comments left on code reviews and exaggerate the shit out of it
delicate lantern
Why do I keep getting the scam jobs 😭
Company wants me to put a security deposit for a free course that is “refundable” after you get placed
bold pier
LinkedIn dry af, where are jobs
delicate lantern
$1500 security deposit
You’ll get it back
🤣🤣🤣
I don’t remember applying to these jobs
But then again I stopped keeping track 😰
bold pier
This position is based in Englewood Cliffs, NJ. It is on-sight 5 days a week. Bilingual in Korean and English required. (Position will ONLY be in considered if you have advanced Korean speaking skills)
Friends, do we now need to grind duolingo also to get employed
grizzled bronze
*This position is based in Englewood Cliffs, NJ. It is on-sight 5 days a week. B...
Just ChatGPT the language
Congrats!
If they're calling you, I doubt it's a rejection
since you got Sofi
bold pier
They might offer extension to your car's warranty
grizzled bronze
good to not have any expectations either way
was there any emoji in your email to schedule the call?
steep sundial
How's it going for you guys
autumn iris
How's it going for you guys
grinding
autumn iris
swift falcon
So 2022 grad channel got ended
it’s over for the little guy
fallen fox
did you get snowflake offer
grizzled bronze
AM or PM
autumn jolt
Just gave an interview at Leidos. Guy was insane. I think I bombed it 
swift falcon
Just gave an interview at Leidos. Guy was insane. I think I bombed it <:hopium:8...
insane how?
like cracked? or cocaine?
autumn jolt
He asked questions on all technologies on planet
Including configuration settings
How am I supposed to recall all of those things
autumn jolt
Need 101 lessons on how to crack an interview
autumn jolt
He went to ask VBA scripting Macros stuff. This is so old, haven't worked on them lol
autumn iris
He went to ask VBA scripting Macros stuff. This is so old, haven't worked on the...
thats actually
common af
a lot of companies like excel
they want u to automate sht for them
autumn iris
its part of excel
autumn jolt
autumn jolt
Barely even know what the question is asking
That was actually my reaction for most of the questions he asked
grizzled bronze
He asked questions on all technologies on planet
I keep telling people, defense is not easy. It's harder than FAANG!
autumn iris
if its consulting related, they prob want u to know
a bunch of different software
also i think u should be checking if
it's legacy stuff or not
almost all defense companies are legacy related
or consulting related
aka excel 
autumn jolt
They for sure have mega legacy applications
autumn iris
i worked at one of those
well for internship but its literally
fking excel
dod place
autumn jolt
They're trying to upgrade those legacy applications to new tech
autumn iris
yeah
thats what the project i worked on do
a lot of them need to shift to modern tech stuff
the issue is that
its costly
btw
are most of u guys graduated
like did u guys not start looking for jobs before graduation
ebon moat
Yeah
autumn jolt
I keep telling people, defense is not easy. It's harder than FAANG!
CTC is pennies though
ebon moat
like did u guys not start looking for jobs before graduation
Not really i was just hard focussing on school so i didnt have to take an extra semester
autumn iris
autumn jolt
Gib me a job. I'll upgrade all of em
autumn iris
lockheed always hires pepos
u just need a degree+ citizen
or thats at least what other people told me
autumn jolt
@pulsar mural
ebon moat
"This site can’t be reached"
obsidian crater
Lockheed got DDOSd
ebon moat
same when u try to apply on their website https://www.lockheedmartinjobs.com/job/uniondale/software-engineer/694/50283323152
Works on my phone not on my pc weird
grizzled bronze
@pulsar mural graduated cum laude, not everyone is smart enough to get into Lockheed
🧠
bold pier
Friends going on Subway today, shall I jump?
grizzled cipher
Just gave an interview at Leidos. Guy was insane. I think I bombed it <:hopium:8...
rip worst feeling in the world is being hyped for an interview and then bombing 😦
tacit grove
did you apply to snowflake with a referral and when?
tacit grove
same when u try to apply on their website https://www.lockheedmartinjobs.com/job...
do they sponsor?
tacit grove
"This site can’t be reached" <:PepeHands:748767514716274789>
literally all positions close within a day
obsidian crater
You also need a clearance to work at most positions at Lockheed, which can take quite a few months to get.
rain patio
I applied to a ton of defense jobs. Never heard back. It's over for me
swift falcon
It's over for the little guy.
rain patio
why does life suck smh
When my grandparents were still young, they could afford a car and a house off a basic job. My grandma worked at a photo printing company and did well enough to get by. Now even with education and internships, there's just too much competition smh
When my dad went to college, the max price was like 30k in tuition per year, but that was absurdly high for the time
Like out of state ivy league price or something
swift falcon
sheesh
swift falcon
I just get the bad feeling that I've peaked tbh
rain patio
Me too
I can always learn more, but in terms of intelligence, I've peaked already for sure
swift falcon
like I've busted my ass the last 5 years going to school while working full-time with the promise of golden opportunity at the end
and here I am
no SWE job
rain patio
I didn't work full time, but I did have to work to pay for college. I'm jealous of all the rich kids who got their school paid for, a nice car, and could afford to do hw and hang out with friends every day without having to work a job
swift falcon
everyone acts like "OH YOU WILL GET A JOB AS A VETERAN" like naw cuz
that don't mean shit
rain patio
yeah the usa doesn't care about veterans. It's so dumb
iron lily
become a mercenary
swift falcon
nah I'm too fat now
iron lily
gravy seal?
rain patio
Meal force for me 😂
swift falcon
was also IT in the millerterry, so it's not like I'd be breakin down doors fo dat shit
do mercenaries need SWEs?
if you know of a place that has SWE jobs specifically for vets please let me know, I would love to have that as a resource
iron lily
yeah if you're a hackerman like mr.robot
also i find that reaching out to lockheed recruiters on linkedin helps a lot
swift falcon
unfortunately, I cannot relocate
kinda makes it seem like I'd have to be currently enrolled though
like maybe 2 months ago
rain patio
Yeah it was ok i guess. Still pissed i'm not making a lot of money 😭
swift falcon
Yeah it was ok i guess. Still pissed i'm not making a lot of money 😭
how did it go?
aside from the money part
rain patio
My bosses are really nice and helpful. They spent the whole time going over different things that they do day to day, and I got to watch them assemble a camera and troubleshoot it. I see a lot of opportunities to help them out by writing some software tools
swift falcon
that sounds promising
rain patio
Like they use 3 different websites to access and troubleshoot their cameras, but they want to combine them into a single app/webapp
delicate lantern
Where are you guys applying to get interviews
I’ve used LinkedIn handshake and just the normal google search but haven’t heard back from any
The only ones I hear back from are those saying oh you’re a fresher so you need to do this course and be a part of this contract where if you leave you have to pay a fine
Or unpaid internships
obsidian crater
I am not really getting any interviews.
rain patio
same
market so bad it's just a 0% chance of getting a job
it's as pointless as trying to drain the ocean by scooping out water lol
WHen they say 2+ yoe, they mean it
It's over for us
When they want 5+ yoe for a $50k tc entry level position, they're being serious
grizzled bronze
Where are you guys applying to get interviews
I don't see anyone here getting interviews
The one person I saw talking about interviews was for an internship role
delicate lantern
Bro I’d take anything
ebon moat
I only get rejection letters 😎
obsidian crater
Same
rain patio
it's over for us
no more entry level jobs until all the seniors and mid levels retire
try again in 20 years
rain patio
ew revature suckkssss
obsidian crater
I got rejected by revature buddy
timber rock
I don't know why Revature recruiters keep viewing my LinkedIn profile
It’s a sign
rain patio
I did their exam thing and it was full of spelling mistakes
obsidian crater
Revature and Conduent rejected me
The top 2 most desirable companies in the world
rain patio
LOL
grizzled bronze
The top 2 most desirable companies in the world
Conduent is FAANG tier, Revature doesn't even come close
obsidian crater
True
rain patio
revature is quant tier
swift falcon
id die before revature
delicate lantern
Didn’t revature want to force you to do training for 3 months before making you do a years contract for 50k
swift falcon
yes
delicate lantern
I’d rather die painfully before doing revature
narrow dew
is revature that bad i just applied this morning 😭
swift falcon
id rather have my nuts stapled to a telephone pole
delicate lantern
What happens if you leave
They were supposed to call me today Larry I also applied
Just so I could get the dopamine rush of a company wanting me 🥺
rain patio
Screw doing revature's training for minimum wage lol
delicate lantern
QUACK QUACK 🦆
delicate lantern
oh I’ve lost my mind
delicate lantern
I’ve sent in my application for me to do a masters 🥹
timber rock
is revature that bad i just applied this morning 😭
Yeah but it’s better than unemployment
Which ppl here should realise lol
delicate lantern
From 6 fig out of college to doing masters
swift falcon
aint nobody got time for 8 weeks of training
where u get dropped halfway through anyways
they probably got some grift where they charge u for room and board
and make money off you
narrow dew
oh no i was planning on doing an online one
delicate lantern
Some of the boot camps said they were remote
I’ve applied to them
But some said they wanted a security deposit
swift falcon
to clarify im talmbout revature
delicate lantern
And all I could think of was that it’s a scam
swift falcon
i think boocamps are alr
tho it’s obnoxious hearing about how some minimum wage butcher career changed into high paying web dev and I can’t even get a goddamn interview with a masters
grizzled bronze
tho it’s obnoxious hearing about how some minimum wage butcher career changed in...
I respect their hustle
rain patio
tho it’s obnoxious hearing about how some minimum wage butcher career changed in...
THe market was so much easier back then
That's why I take everyone's advice with a grain of salt now
they don't know how hard it is to be graduating in this market
Just like the boomers don't know how good they had it smh
"You can't afford a house on a $15/hr wage? Back in my day, I made $10/hr and bought a house after a year of saving!" Yeah, because houses were like 100k or less back then
south sable
"You can't afford a house on a $15/hr wage? Back in my day, I made $10/hr and bo...
Yes, when home ownership was a realistic goal
rain patio
I don't know how sustainable this all is. It feels like we're getting squeezed dry. Even the software industry is getting squeezed. It'll turn into a low pay industry with high competition
Kinda like in India where programmers make barely anything because everyone there can code
Or even europe
america's software industry is a bubble
brave forge
they don't know how hard it is to be graduating in this market
im graduating in this market the market has been easy
rain patio
im graduating in this market the market has been easy
LOL
Bro you already are doing an internship
fallen fox
smh my annoying boomer parents keep harassing me
brave forge
some ppl just spout off all this stuff online, but when i go to apply i instantly get responses and interviews. I also have been working at a company that looks pretty willing to hire me back for 80k and still growing their SWE team despite the market
i still am getting ppl asking to interview even while im interning though
rain patio
some ppl just spout off all this stuff online, but when i go to apply i instantl...
i call cap
brave forge
i just dont interview cause i dont got time
rain patio
How tf are you getting interviews smh
narrow dew
where do you live bro
rustic vessel
some ppl just spout off all this stuff online, but when i go to apply i instantl...
How do you job search? I get nearly 0 interview requests.
brave forge
KC
fallen fox
lol my parents think you always get an interview after applying
"how can you get rejected without an interview"
brave forge
KC has tons of SWE jobs but it's hard to get 100k new grad. best most companies will do is 80k or 70k
but it makes up for it becuase it's LCOL
idk if im staying here or not, i just have some family here but if i could land a job somewhere for higher pay i would go. anyways ill probably job search for real once august hits
grizzled bronze
smh my annoying boomer parents keep harassing me
Smh, if I was your parent I'd be so proud of you for getting Conduent
bold pier
Bruh wtf, I absolutely aced the interviews and this is what they do
I've lost all hopes, imma go back home
Or run away
south sable
Bruh wtf, I absolutely aced the interviews and this is what they do <:PepeHands:...
The job where you o(n)' ed?
bold pier
The job where you o(n)' ed?
Yus
static quarry
Bruh wtf, I absolutely aced the interviews and this is what they do <:PepeHands:...
dw same thing happened to me twice
vanguard and nw mutual
"we have lost funding for the postion"
south sable
honest KC review?
obsidian crater
🪢
bold pier
Cause I had this happen to me at AMD
Not amd, some crypto company
obsidian crater
oof
bold pier
My OPT period already started yesterday, Ive jackshit rn don't know what to do
obsidian crater
volunteer?
bold pier
Where to find
bold pier
Thanks, I'll check it out
bold pier
Starts with Coin, deals in crypto.
Also avoid Yellowbrick data, mfs took 8 rounds and rejected
pure mauve
Starts with Coin, deals in crypto.
Is CB on a hiring freeze?
narrow harbor
had an interview recently where they asked for my salary expectations, but i told them 'i expect to be paid the industry standard blah blah
tho they kept pushing for a number or range but told them i couldnt
how do yall answer this question?
bold pier
Ask them for a range for the particular position, if they resist just say a figure you like and say I am open to offers. At least this is what I do.
vital meteor
how do yall answer this question?
you can also check levels/glassdoor/reddit etc to get a better idea
tacit grove
Where are you guys finding new positions to apply to? Linkedin seems realy bland atm
solemn spire
what projects are yall working on? or only LC?
tacit grove
what projects are yall working on? or only LC?
only lc
cloud zinc
going to hear back from STI Computers tomorrow.
If the 5 other applicants who conducted the interview knows nothing about C# or .Net, I may have a chance
but that is a HUGE if
south kettle
Are there any places I can apply that will just auto send an oa now?
grizzled bronze
Not amd, some crypto company
Sucks getting rejected, but it's a crypto company
crypto is doing pretty badly now
bold pier
crypto is doing pretty badly now
I know, but so am I 
solemn spire
Finally. Cscareerquestions is back
vital meteor
has the market improved ?
its worse
grizzled bronze
i was on a week hiatus
Oh I thought you got an offer
rain patio
Bro just stay at snowflake
Snowflake is good
Or get snowflake return offer
And ditch
grizzled bronze
had to reset my mental health a bit
That's good, helps avoid burnout
You didn't really miss anything
grizzled bronze
Worried about getting a TA role when you have these good internships?
tacit grove
had to reset my mental health a bit
How are you doing now? @tardy geode anything move yet with interviews?
grizzled bronze
Wtf
dude
Georgia Tech is like $10K
for MS
why are you chosing such an expensive program for Masters
Is it Stanford?
autumn iris
georgia tech online is a meme
its good if ur working
but i wouldn't do it if ur unemployed
rotund breach
u literally cant fulltime omscs
autumn iris
yeah
gatech student, so i know about this
also that price is normal for
out of state/internationals
autumn iris
why are you chosing such an expensive program for Masters
^
tacit grove
It's getting there
By the looks of it I feel the same...things have started to open up but I hope I'm not being too optimistic. What do you think @grizzled bronze ?
rotund breach
my MS is 35k/yr, but only #20 lol
severe pendant
By the looks of it I feel the same...things have started to open up but I hope I...
is there more ng jobs? i dont see any lol
rotund breach
oh right yeah intl is more expensive right?
for tuition
ok yeah omscs is cheaper than the normal IP MS
both IS and OOS
tacit grove
is there more ng jobs? i dont see any lol
Compared to 2 months ago there are a few listings but yeah it def is hard - you have to dig through to find proper new-grad positions
Do you guys think things will pick up speed in the next month or 2?
severe pendant
😭 is the positions on the github repo?
split igloo
Do you guys think things will pick up speed in the next month or 2?
nobody knows. but hardly likely, gotta wait till Sept or Oct when companies start to finalize their HC for next yr 👀
Personally I won’t expect too much not to disappoint myself 😭
tacit grove
😭 is the positions on the github repo?
I haven't checked the 2024 repo but I just dig through linkedin to find openings
tacit grove
nobody knows. but hardly likely, gotta wait till Sept or Oct when companies star...
The FED might be increasing interest rates next month but I hope it's not going to deflate hiring even more. Ugh I just really hope and think by seeing companies like Tesla and Apple hiring that things might just open up in the next month or two
it's like following the herd with hiring...one company hires the rest start to open up as well
obsidian crater
It's impossible to get past Tesla screen
grizzled bronze
they dont sponsor i think
Oh my bad, I forgot it's more for internationals 💸
jaunty basalt
you mean more for not international 
grizzled bronze
By the looks of it I feel the same...things have started to open up but I hope I...
Idk, ask @pulsar mural. He graduated cum laude
swift falcon
like we’re gnawing at bones rn
swift falcon
she’s aiight
swift falcon
tbh tho it might backfire coz now she’s gonna worry
grizzled bronze
vital meteor
does she have a sister
vital meteor
grizzled bronze
I told her hell naw tho
It's not like it's easy to get an IT job either though
swift falcon
It's not like it's easy to get an IT job either though
yeah but I got 10 years exp so I imagine it wouldn’t be that difficult
grizzled bronze
yeah but I got 10 years exp so I imagine it wouldn’t be that difficult
Oh nevermind, that should be doable for you
swift falcon
i could probably squeeze out a 10k raise
tho tbh, maybe not i have no IT certs either
vital meteor
i could probably squeeze out a 10k raise
having any job and getting exp is good rn
grizzled bronze
tho tbh, maybe not i have no IT certs either
you don't need it, you got a decade of experience
vital meteor
you can always jump when market improves
swift falcon
you don't need it, you got a decade of experience
cisco certs woukd probably be nice tho
if I had CCNA and CISSP
but I don’t want to jerk off over networking hardware so f that
ppl be relying in you to keep the network up and that is like, not fun
idk how many times shit went down on a friday at my old job and ppl had to stay late asf to fix that shit
grizzled bronze
ppl be relying in you to keep the network up and that is like, not fun
Join Techie at Comcast then move up to SWE
vital meteor
@obtuse locust
obsidian crater
Techie gives police officers tickets for having low TC
marble ivy
Like pay is definitely still a huge factor
grizzled bronze
Nice
marble ivy
I'm quite jealous tbh ngl
Same
novel rain
are there any LC premium alternatives
yall using lintcode?
is there anything better
autumn iris
like we’re gnawing at bones rn
autumn iris
are there any LC premium alternatives
just pay the premium
novel rain
bro my monthly bills are already killing me
another 15 bucks a month for puzzle questions and imma be sleeping on someones doorstep
novel rain
pulsar mural
:yepge:
marble ivy
Yeah but in the end they r still winning and more fortunate and successful than u
swift falcon
time for my 20 minutes of LC
currently trying to do LC easies (like fizzbuzz and shit) to work on talking through the problems and prepare for whiteboarding
marble ivy
i’ve noticed the only companies hiring rn r like insurance and banks and they don’t really ask leetcode or mainly easies
they mainly ask oop
swift falcon
i'm just trying to practice talking through problems rn
marble ivy
i had an interview for state farm a few weeks ago and they asked me what cohesion and coupling was in oop and i was like wtf
swift falcon
and get my brain into LC mode so I can try mediums and shit
without spending an entire day on it
novel rain
swift falcon
it's the talking through the problem part
marble ivy
Na u need to know atleast leetcode easies
swift falcon
I was told by this recruiter that, I basically have to be able to whiteboard with these people in an onsite technical without getting frazzled and losing my shit
marble ivy
Nowadays every company thinks they r google and asks leetcode as a preliminary tech screening, even companies that pay 60k
swift falcon
I don't know how much clearer I can be
marble ivy
I don’t think leetcode is rly that hard to get good at tho once u know the patterns
Like almost every question is the same logic kinda
I only did like 100 problems and got pretty good offers back in 2021, 150k+
rotund breach
only 100 xd
errant karma
Once you get past the 300 problems solved threshold you are good
marble ivy
100 is pretty reasonable
outer radish
inb4 dp
rotund breach
seems like a lot to me
errant karma
I only did like 100 problems and got pretty good offers back in 2021, 150k+
Different era back in 21
grizzled cipher
1500-2000 lmao
marble ivy
Yea it is, i don’t do hards, easies and mediums is pretty good for most companies
outer radish
new year guys
hards are in fashion
if ur not doing hards, then the company aint doing u
marble ivy
Different era back in 21
I mean even now i don’t think any company is gonna ask u a leetcode hard dp problem unless it’s like tiktok
outer radish
codesignal q4s are at least hards now
errant karma
They gave me dp problems on a recorded OA
rotund breach
im repping 28 day streak, only thing im proud of
swift falcon
like really, I'm just trying to get comfortable talking through problems on easies, and also be consistent with doing LC every day before I try and kill myself doing mediums and hards etc
this like the third day I'm doing it
rotund breach
codesignal q4s are at least hards now
thats unfortunate
swift falcon
how would I get better at whiteboarding then
errant karma
how would I get better at whiteboarding then
Practice in the mirror
outer radish
if you dont make it past those, they're not gonna grill you on sys design
swift falcon
i'm tellin u, last interview I knew what was goin on and shit, but stalled out and had to have the interviewers kickstart shit for me
rotund breach
damn is sys design norm for new grads now?
errant karma
i'm tellin u, last interview I knew what was goin on and shit, but stalled out a...
Seems like a practice problem
outer radish
i'm tellin u, last interview I knew what was goin on and shit, but stalled out a...
idk if its helpful, but sometimes if you get stuck, its good to talk through waht ur stuck on
swift falcon
it was some dumb ass function that I had to complete
outer radish
or walk through an example
outer radish
bro u got this
swift falcon
rotund breach
anyone here get sys design for ng roles yet?
outer radish
fuck the haters n the hards
you got this
turn that can't into not yet
u feel me
errant karma
i'm tellin u, last interview I knew what was goin on and shit, but stalled out a...
You need to do mock interviews
You need leetcode like 2-3 months before the interview. Other time learn to actually code
rotund breach
any1 get sys design questions for ng roles?
swift falcon
i spose you're right in a way, I could def be finishing up with react/angular, but I have a real chance at getting an interview with this consultancy this week or next week and I was told I just have to be a good personality fit and be calm and collected and know basics, and they'll teach me everything else I need to know for the role
also why I'm setting a 20min time limit on LC because I don't want to waste a ton of time on it
rain patio
yeah, i haven't really been able to use any of my leetcode knowledge so far. I don't even get interviews lol
autumn iris
just do both
grizzled cipher
but i feel like when it comes to actually coding, ive only ever gotten like conversational type questions about frameworks and shit
instead of qs where i have to actually code up smth in react
autumn iris
grizzled cipher
no man, i would get lc type quetiosns and then converstioanl type questions about frameworks
novel rain
anyone here get sys design for ng roles yet?
yea, but they werent that difficult in retrospect
even after like 6mo on the job
but asking experienceless ng sys design is so stupid
novel rain
i had an interview for state farm a few weeks ago and they asked me what cohesio...
wtff lmao
ive never even heard of those terms
i got system design for the lightbulb company (lutron) and got rejected the next day
rotund breach
how dare they
autumn iris
Did they actually
grizzled cipher
lmao im not saying it makes sense; btut thats what most companies do anyway alteast from my experience
autumn iris
thought it was just mediums
brave forge
FUCK JAVA
why do we have to write algorithms in java it's the worst thing to ever happen to humanity
java is meant for mainframe business code, not algorithms
swift falcon
bro get out
obsidian crater
Java is easy wdym lol
brave forge
also ive noticed when anything hard actually comes up in code, you can just leverage code the company has already written or find it online
marble ivy
Fr i highly doubt 99% of their engineers even know what that means
swift falcon
java is bae