2023_grads

[rigid quail]

tf camera always on in interviews

[obsidian crater]

People say you are treated better if you are handsome, so i always turn mine on. Infact it is how I met @pine topaz on omegele and how our relationship blossomed.

[fossil jewel]

questions are good

they show interest

back and forth is nice

if they have camera on, then it will be awkward if you have it off lol

[brave forge]

did someone ping me about the 2023-new-grad tracker and delete lol

https://github.com/pittcsc/New-Grad-Positions-2023/commits/master?before=4b3fa2fde2d118391fd02de0d5b6bf27947b8b79+700&branch=master&qualified_name=refs%2Fheads%2Fmaster

heres your link just click that and it'll take u back

[obsidian crater]

🪢

[bold pier]

ServiceNow damn efficient, rejected in an hour

[brave forge]

wow they must be getting ready for new-grad 2024 incoming volume

i bet companies are running drills now on how to reject resumes as quick as possible

[hasty birch]

You can’t say they don’t live up to their name

[severe pendant]

anyone has experience with fidelity? is it a good company to work for (asking for a friend)

[obsidian crater]

It's a good company

[grizzled bronze]

I only got experience with infidelity

[severe pendant]

Thanks! Do you have experience with this company?

[bold pier]

Don't expect cutting edge work, financial data so lot of regulations

But it should be a stable job

[grizzled bronze]

Google's Starline project looks cool, I can see companies actually investing in that instead of the Metaverse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1oEWiUsKgU

[ornate cliff]

[vagrant star]

yo any jobs out there?

no?

aight fuck me

[split plaza]

anyone heard back from Square/Block

/has anyone submitted >840 and not heard back yet

[jovial latch]

I interned there twice, very chill to work for, really good benefits (though you might find base tc a bit lacking)

They have really good benefits which is what makes people stay with them

[agile arrow]

Haven't heard back yet

[jovial latch]

The work...depends on the team I suppose

[split plaza]

When did you submit the codesignal

[jovial latch]

But they're a large ass company so you probably won't be doing much of anything really

[severe pendant]

Can I dm u

[jovial latch]

Sure

[severe pendant]

Thanks. Just did

[agile arrow]

I think Monday.

[rain patio]

I feel so stupid. I didn't realize that I was supposed to apply for jobs several months BEFORE graduating...I graduated 2 weeks ago and have been struggling to find jobs to apply to, let alone get interviews

[drowsy pollen]

It’s not stupid. Some people decide to apply to jobs after graduation when they feel ready. Don’t let that discourage you

[autumn iris]

anyone do the aws certs

im about to grind devop engineer pro one

[rain patio]

I just assumed that no company would take me seriously when applying for full time junior positions until after I got my degree, so I didn't start applying for jobs until May (I graduated May 4)

[drowsy pollen]

I understand! I also did that too. I graduated in December 2022 and started applying in January 2023

[autumn iris]

prepping 8months early

[severe anvil]

When would 2024 new grad start? I’m graduating start of next year and wanna be prepared

[foggy basin]

june july

[autumn iris]

graduating december, started prepping last month

[timber rock]

start prepping now imo

or whenever your exams and stuff are done

some 2024 positions are already out and it’s only gonna ramp up from here

[rain patio]

is there a list of 2024 positions somewhere?

[timber rock]

there’s probably a github with them somewhere

but i don’t have it

[severe anvil]

Yeah I’m in school for summer but doing leetcode every day. Need to start sys design prep tho

[severe anvil]

Really? I haven’t found any tbh

[timber rock]

blackrock just opened a couple days ago, but there are others

i dunno the companies cause im not recruiting anymore but people have been posting them here for a bit

[steady sage]

I don't have/know of one for 2024, but I'll post the 2023 one just incase people are unaware of it: https://github.com/coderQuad/New-Grad-Positions-2023

I think Goldman Sachs is opening up some of their 2024 stuff soon.

[jovial latch]

prefer onsite is basically code for 'we're gonna fuckin ignore your ass if you cant come into the office in some capacity'

unless you're an exceptional candidate and the team loves you

well i think you wanna say you are willing to relocate and work onsite, and that means you gotta find housing

though isnt logistical stuff asked in the beginning of the interview process typically

the link is not broken

that is all you will get from anyone here

and if you cant do the damn thing, then you aint getting the ramp job lol

its also not particularly hard

[prisma flax]

done with all interviews ?

Ramp is fkup, I just feel they should do it after the resume screening, even if we did all 4 flags there's no guarantee to get a call from that place

that's the reason I stopped looking into that

[jovial latch]

I mean you can tell your recruiter and cc your hm

If you don't have an email or contact info from him just talk to the recruiter

[timber rock]

https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/13m12tr/i_want_this_to_end/jkt3hmp/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3

💀💀

[rigid quail]

he’s definitely spitting fax

[fossil jewel]

the top comment

lol

i hate to sound like a jerk but how is he building 2 years of experience on spring yet say he will be completely clueless when it comes to dependency injection

“and sort of put together an application”

[timber rock]

The guy is just a dumbass

Read his replies

[gloomy terrace]

bro spitting

y'all will get something for sure as long as u have previous experience

[timber rock]

The swe -> warehouse manager pipeline is real fr fr

[timber rock]

Facts

Market sucks compared to previous years but it’s a little overblown sometimes

[fossil jewel]

hey i had a an amazon recruiter in my DM asking me if i wanna be a warehouse manager lmaooo

[timber rock]

It’s you

You’re the reddit guy

❗❗❗❗❗

[fossil jewel]

definitely siracha salad

😋

[pine topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-bezos-space-evil-laugh-gif-22429861

[timber rock]

The workers should be more grateful that they get to contribute to such a prestigious organisation.

[gloomy terrace]

even i thought i'd be fucked after grad

managed to get something

and there's new postings every day

[timber rock]

me too

but im not earning 200k at faangmulass so does it really count?

[static quarry]

@gloomy terrace but ur resume is stacked

[gloomy terrace]

hardly also i'm on a visa so it's rough

[gloomy terrace]

ignoring paper money i am too

[static quarry]

where did u intern at?

[gloomy terrace]

faang but no return

[static quarry]

faang = stacked

most of us cant even get interviews

resume reject

[gloomy terrace]

that's true but there's a lot of companies out there

i was interviewing with random ass places like florida power

[timber rock]

i do genuinely think that a lot of the issues people here have are caused by faang+ obsession brain rot

for intls it’s pretty rough though

[gloomy terrace]

exactly like less than 2% of swes end up there

also google overrated 🤧

[tacit jasper]

Did the 2024 New Grad List drop yet?

Also, if I graduate Winter 2023, should I apply with New Grad 2024?

[timber rock]

glad they rejected me. didn’t wanna work there anyway

[gloomy terrace]

haha thanks but i definitely got lucky

point is that there's many more companies out there than we think

[ornate cliff]

@gloomy terrace what's your resume like? 👀

[gloomy terrace]

mediocre

[ornate cliff]

Hmmm

[normal palm]

Cap of the century lol

[lunar hatch]

Are you gonna join drw?

[gloomy terrace]

Lmao

[gloomy terrace]

Nah they rescinded, akuna too

[lunar hatch]

oh wtf

i didn't know drw did the same thing

[gloomy terrace]

I wasn’t too keen cuz it was on some derivatives team that did horribly in 2022

My friends interning didn’t get return

[lunar hatch]

yeah also drw crypto was suffering

like cumberland

[gloomy terrace]

Yeah fuck drw they had 5 returning interns

Everyone left for imc or cit

[lunar hatch]

lolllll

was imc doing good last year

i thought in general market making was suffering a bit

[gloomy terrace]

Citadel apparently won’t have a ng class

It’s worse now

Imc are doing 20% layoffs

[lunar hatch]

not the year for equity

[gloomy terrace]

Fuck where were u

We made it though

Not the year for anything tbh

[lunar hatch]

yeah except inflation lol

[rain patio]

When do y’all think the market will pick back up again

[lunar hatch]

for tech, too early to say lol

i think might be early-mid next year

[rain patio]

I feel like tech demand is there but everyone is being precautionary

[lunar hatch]

not gonna happen before then

[rain patio]

If interest rates start going down in september and debt ceiling is raised on time

We might be good by eoy

[lunar hatch]

it's the gaming strategy cuz they need investors

[rain patio]

Tech stocks have recovered significantly from the bottom too

[lunar hatch]

it's a big if tho

[rain patio]

They already declared they will pause raising for the next meeting

Just need debt ceiling to go up 🙏

[lunar hatch]

but i mean isn't it cuz the banking crisis

partly

[rain patio]

Yeah, but as long as it goes down/pauses it’s good for us

[lunar hatch]

but yeah i mean the problems are more sophisticated than pure interest rate etc. in this case

so really hard to say

hoping for the best tho

[rain patio]

True, I would say best case eoy, worst case 2025

[lunar hatch]

yeah anyways keep interviewing is always the way to go

[tacit grove]

when did you have your final? and is this for new-grad/intern and which team is it for?

[lunar hatch]

even if you start somewhere

[compact vortex]

where are you getting this from?

ik about akuna

but had no idea about imc and drw

[fresh mango]

Where you usually look at bro? LinkedIn or smthn else?

[oblique wasp]

did anyone hear back from square after taking the codesignal OA for new grad role?

[keen vortex]

is the square new grad role for 2023 or 2024?

[oblique wasp]

2023

[gloomy terrace]

internal

[split plaza]

Nope

[hot sail]

Honestly prob apply as soon as you can to build experience in the interviews.

Biggest opportunities between now and then is prob the Aug-Sep window when all the big companies do their big formal recruiting push and then Feb-March when all the companies scramble to fill the rest of roles.

Oh lol. Misread that. Thought it was this year.

[split plaza]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/981754288508375150/1109517767721353287/ds.gif

[shut crescent]

has anyone interviewed for spacex

[steep sundial]

https://jobs.smartrecruiters.com/ProcoreTechnologies/743999908013979-software-engineer-ic1-1?utm_source=Otta

[static quarry]

which role?

[split plaza]

https://twitter.com/Neeva/status/1659973810047832066?s=20

Neeva (@Neeva)

It is with heavy hearts we announce https://t.co/aZwoDBEZq0 will shut down over the next few weeks.

We appreciate our passionate community of customers & users that have supported us over the past few years. ❤️

We thank you for understanding. Here’s some more information ⤵️🧵

Twitter · May 20, 2023, 5:26 PM

💀

[bold pier]

Just the consumer facing part, they are focusing on B2B now

[sonic coral]

so does that mean neeva layoffs

[bold pier]

How many people did they employ?

lmao it's about to be acquired by Snowflake, so probably layoffs but will be called organization restructuring

[brave forge]

is this job good?

[chilly burrow]

Pays 80-100k

[lunar hatch]

anyone interviewed with/working at stellar dev foundation?

r they good

[agile niche]

I have an interview with a company that doesnt do LC style questions

How can i prepare for that

[brave forge]

Make sure you understand every point of your resume and can explain, since they will do a resume review

[agile niche]

It's actually a technical interview

Just non-LC style questions

IDK what that even means

[rigid quail]

you can’t super prepare for that but it will be language related questions/ DB questions, things of that sort

[agile niche]

it seems its some backend stuff and kinda a discussion on how to improve readability and durability

[rigid quail]

yeah high level technical decisions what would you do

[agile niche]

It's not language agnostic?

[rigid quail]

not exactly system design

[rigid quail]

this depends on the company

[agile niche]

because if it isn't im fucked they use Go and I have never used it before lol

[rigid quail]

oh you should definitely review Go fundementals

[agile niche]

ok thanks!!

[lunar hatch]

nah mostly just wanted to get some c++ and distributed system practice for this one

i went with the quant one

ty

in any case i think in this economy it's never a bad idea to explore multiple offers/options

[rain patio]

how recently did you get this offer? I'm trying to get an offer as a May 2023 grad and am not having any luck

[lunar hatch]

nearly two months ago

[rain patio]

oh wow

[spice flume]

Is there any way to speed up the EAD card delivery ?

[fair sonnet]

Not sure if it’s a good sign but I got

[tardy geode]

you forgot to write the text "Thanks for applying but we regret to inform"

[timber rock]

Step 1 apply step 2 pass interview step 3 get job

Happy to help 👍

[autumn jolt]

accurateee

[pastel bane]

I got a software developer job at a relatively big company
but it is all by doing leetcode
do you think I should watch online courses such as CS61b in my spare time?

I think I will have a mentor to introduce me basic stuff

[swift falcon]

guys i graduated today

i am officially a master

[swift falcon]

bro is u fr

[pastel bane]

what do you mean by fr

[swift falcon]

f’real

[pastel bane]

it's real

[swift falcon]

how do u not know how to program but do leetcode?

[pastel bane]

I know Python and programming

I mean CS61b teaches Java

and you can do projects in it

[swift falcon]

oh so u specifically are looking to pick up java

I see

[pastel bane]

yeah

[swift falcon]

sec

[pastel bane]

but the most thing I want are projects

[swift falcon]

https://java-programming.mooc.fi

there is english version

may not be what ur looking for but it’s what I used to learn java way back when

it starts at beginner level so idk if you want to skip some parts or sth

[pastel bane]

Thank you! I will take a look into it

[normal palm]

Did u graduate from a master’s program?

[swift falcon]

yep

can finally change it on my resume haha

[rain patio]

I just applied for a software job at Nokia

Had no idea they were still around

[obsidian crater]

congrates big pierr

[normal palm]

Damnn congrats man! How was it?

[tacit grove]

Is this for new-grad/intern and which team is it for - Data Platform? you have the HMs email?

did you solve all the questions for all the rounds out of curiosity?

Okay

Just wait until after the weekend

[teal jackal]

damn that is cruel of you to post

[tacit grove]

Which team is it for? Did your HM name start with an S?

Don't worry about it...I'm pretty sure they will be flexible

didn't the recruiter ask this during the phone interview or after the final

Oh did they say you have been selected?

Okay out of curiosity did your HM name start with an S and recruiter start with a K?

lmao that always worries me

location is quite a priority ngl

oh jeez

yeah that is not good

they need you to be in person?

just get the offer then say remote

oh right right...you can say something came up and I have to work remotely

then see what they say

right first get the offer then say the above if need be

I agree getting the offer first is of priority

right

[pastel bane]

how long do you ususally expect to work in your first company?

[swift falcon]

10 years

but real talk probably like 3

[timber rock]

1 year minimum

but probably a bit longer

[rain patio]

depends on the company, I’ve seen many ppl stay long time at companies with high satisfaction like G or Bloomberg. But most ppl say if u wanna switch a good time is 2-3 years in. Of course this was in a hot market, now it’s probably much harder

[timber rock]

if your job isn’t great and you think you can get something better then it’s fine to leave asap, but you wanna avoid filling your resume with a bunch of 6 month - 1 year stints

[bold pier]

I'm gonna stay at the same company forever because I don't have space left on my 1 page resume

[lunar hatch]

I think if you have a valid reason i.e career interest, you can job hop after 3-6 months

The important thing is to make sure every move benefits your goal

Plus need to show you are competent and motivated and not just randomly job hopping

[rain patio]

Just remove the oldest work experience? Or maybe only include the most impactful jobs you had and add a footnote or something saying that you can provide more work experience upon further inquiry

[bold pier]

Just waiting for ATS to go out of business, will put a QR code for my LinkedIn on the resume

[rain patio]

lol imagine if your resume was just a huge linkedin link and that's it

Actually, I think a resume is just supposed to be the highlights of your work experience or something. As long as you put your most impressive work experience on the resume, the whole ATS thing should be taken care of, and you can put your full work experience on your linkedin profile, which should be linked on your resume too. So if an actual human reviews your resume, they should be able to explore your linkedin profile to see the stuff not on your resume

[timber rock]

Unless you’ve worked at like 10 companies you should be able to fit all your experience on it, just have your older/less relevant jobs have less bullet points

[bold pier]

That sounds nice on paper, but I've never seen a recruiter visit my LinkedIn before reaching out. Which makes maintaining a LinkedIn just another burden for no reason rn.

Also, just to clarify, my initial response was a joke.

I'm applying to these exclusively rn, once in a while a new grad job comes up.

[peak bolt]

Does anyone know if u can apply to NewGrad 2024 if u graduate in Jan 2025 and still get in?

[brave forge]

how do u guys code personal projects

idk if im retarded but i can't code anything in web dev without getting absolutely stuck

i just want to follow udemy project build guides and get something on my resume this week that's passable

[azure zephyr]

what do you mean?

whenever im stuck doing personal projects i try yt vids, google, chatgpt etc to figure out where im stuck

[brave forge]

ya im just fed up with slow progress and new-grad apps are coming out in june

[azure zephyr]

ohh hahaha. youre fine bro you have time

[brave forge]

ive been trying to do networking apps with webrtc/socket.io and i just end up with a basic video-to-video webpage then like...what else do i do

[autumn iris]

i been working on AWS professional certs

[brave forge]

then i look at udemy and they got these 🔥projects i could follow

[brave forge]

ya im doing that also

[autumn iris]

prob gunna take me a month to do this

doing 4 certs

[brave forge]

and in like 20 hours i could have a mega project built and change a few things then slap that boi on the resume and thank god the personal projects section is filled

[brave forge]

im just on the first one, AWS cloud

the business side

it's kinda easy but i need to do the practice exam

[autumn iris]

i'm trying to get the AWS devops engineer professional

just do the courses on cantrill

[azure zephyr]

are these actually helpful tho?

[autumn iris]

yeah but its stupidly long+hard

i'm doing it to learn MLOps

[brave forge]

actually the areas i enjoy developing in, like graphics dev in OpenGL and game dev are not that useful on the resume so i have to force myself to branch out into new areas

[brave forge]

damn that would be very useful

[azure zephyr]

my resume was heavily game dev and i got interviews with FAANG, big tech etc

[autumn iris]

i think my resume is fine i just need to do something else other than leetcode this summer

[brave forge]

👀 ya. i want web dev, mobile dev, and one opengl project to fill my 3 projects. and a portfolio site

[autumn iris]

prob 12hrs a day for a month to get these certs, take the exam. do a project and refix resume

and apply late june

[brave forge]

too late you lose

[autumn iris]

or whenever they open

[brave forge]

that stuff has been stressing me out if u arent on top your failing

[autumn iris]

learn more sht

[rain patio]

ambitious as fuck tbh

[autumn iris]

[brave forge]

i started the first one it takes a lot longer then u expect

[rain patio]

Ive heard nightmares about that one

I wanted it too

[autumn iris]

thats why im getting it

[brave forge]

u have to study the whole material and then do the practice exams like 10 of em

[rain patio]

u different

get it king

[autumn iris]

why let another MLE do it when i can do it myself

[brave forge]

how far are you on it

[autumn iris]

started a few days ago, basically speedrunning the associates first

should take 20hrs per associate, and like 40-50hrs for professional

if u do it on cantrill, it comes with labs. So they make u create 2 AWS accs

and u do stuff on it

[brave forge]

https://www.udemy.com/course/webrtc-practical-course-create-video-chat-group-call-app/learn/lecture/28010934#overview

this project is 🔥 man

[autumn iris]

[brave forge]

u gotta do what u gotta do for the 💰

[rain patio]

implement oauth from scratch

[brave forge]

im outta time i dont have any left to waste on useless projects at this point. 8 days till June

[rain patio]

Looks pretty good yeah

[azure zephyr]

god damn on the grind

[brave forge]

tbh it's a lot like what i wanted to build. but all i made is a video chat that you enter a code and join a room and then it's just two floating squares. that was basically the getting started with webrtc guide

[autumn iris]

are u graduating december

[brave forge]

Yes

[autumn iris]

[rain patio]

oh word me too

we will both get good jop

[brave forge]

[obsidian crater]

welp

I graduated

no job

[autumn iris]

[swift falcon]

we did it

[brave forge]

wow

[swift falcon]

grads rise up

[brave forge]

4 years for that

december grad

[obsidian crater]

[brave forge]

My life

i will soon join you as when i grad also

[timber rock]

[azure zephyr]

are contracts worth?

i would be too nervous in this market

[jovial latch]

you gotta do what you gotta do

[brave forge]

what about revature and witch

i have seen them still hiring strong

[jovial latch]

for a while i was considering paying the bills by freelancing n working as a tutor

[brave forge]

idk i might get a job overnight stocking

work 3 days a week and grind the other 7

who knows though, i atleast have an internship to pay me for 2.5 months

[jovial latch]

perhaps

freelance work is a thing though though i hate the idea of no stabllity

id have to imagine if you were working on freelance tech work or tutoring related to cs shit thats better on the resume then a random ass job

who knows

im very lucky i managed to squeeze my way into a june cohort with the offer i got on friday

chubb, part of their new grad technology associate program

you wont find the posting

dont know, though thats irrelevant, ive been speaking with my recruiter since a college career fair in feburary and he pretty much forwarded my info over when a single opportunity opened up bout like 5 days ago

im probably the last person that managed to force my way into their june cohort

oh yea, turns out some recruiters are actually alright, who knew

[rain patio]

Why did I even go to college smh. I should have been grinding leetcode for the past 4 years while also working on "full stack + kubernetes + AWS + chatGPT + one of the million variants of SQL + who knows what else popular framework" projects and slapping those on my resume

No one cares that I have a degree. They want experience before I can get experience

[brave forge]

your supposed to go to college + do that stuff

sad life of CS major

[rain patio]

No one told me that smh. I thought it was just overachievers who did that stuff

I don't even want to get into FAANG. I just want a nice job that pays $40k+

But even those have insane competition

[brave forge]

should have gone into medical mayb that would of been easier pay straight out of uni without extra grind

[compact vortex]

aw shit my friend is joining there full time i hope his offer is safe

[rain patio]

I feel like I just wasted 4 years of my life, as well as tens of thousands of dollars...

Yay I have a degree....and it's apparently useless

I got scammed by college smh

If I had just worked at Walmart fulltime for the past 4 years, I could have had over $30k in savings. And I wouldn't have to worry about trying to put everything I learned in college to use

[brave forge]

I get where u come from but your wayy too focused on the short term. In a decade from now you will have a ton more money then if u had done walmart

[brave forge]

im kinda confused at this part though, did u never join a CS discord or apply for an intern job and notice that they wanted more then just the degree?

[pulsar mural]

:sadCat: sad life of CS major

[rain patio]

I haven't joined any CS discords until I after I graduated lol. And the internships I applied to didn't require degrees at all. They just wanted you to have taken certain classes and have some experience with web dev/software dev

now all the entry level jobs want 2+ years of experience smh

[raw plank]

are you saying you dont have FAANG stickers all over ur laptop and water bottle

[rain patio]

I would never want to work at any of those companies lol

I don't care how much they pay

[timber rock]

blasphemy!

[rain patio]

There's a reason you see FAANG employees quitting after only a year or two

I bet they work you super hard

Seems like a toxically competitive environment

I just want to work a chill job remotely

Get my $50k+ salary and enjoy my life after work

I don't want to compete with turbo try hards for those 100k+ entry level salaries

What's the point of making that much money if you have to kill yourself to even get paid that much

[timber rock]

i respect it

very unpopular opinion on this server, lol

[rain patio]

lol

[brave forge]

if that's all u want u should be able to find jobs like that. hard part of it is convincing a company in an interview if u dont look like the kinda person to try hard. it's not really like retail job interviews in CS

[timber rock]

faang's wlb is very team dependent, you got people working 20 and 80 hours at all of them

[brave forge]

even when i apply and work at the low-tier local companies they still seem to have hard ass interviews and then they implement their own spin on interviewing.

[rain patio]

i know it's so frustrating. I interviewed at this place and they just gave me a bunch of non coding IQ-style problems

[jovial latch]

oh man hehe yea i despise the leetcode style interviews that have developed over the years

[brave forge]

I landed an internship at a local company. They made me interview with a phone screen, a 2nd round with 3 "Directors of SWE" that discussed my resume/school/projects/experience, and then a team of 4 team leads just for an internship. That had no leetcode though. So no leetcode interviews aren't much easier either

[fallen fox]

[jovial latch]

but in short, the lack of assessing whether you can perform the job and going over the shit youve done at other places and instead asking arbitary puzzle type questions is really frustrating

[brave forge]

late 2021 was the time to be in CS

[timber rock]

as much as i hate lc, i do think it's nice to have one thing to focus on that's basically "get good at this and you can pass almost everything"

[brave forge]

i joined CS in 2022 and it seemed like the market was booming

[jovial latch]

perhaps, but i dont see lc as a good indicator at how competent youd be at a job

[brave forge]

Ya especially later in your career, where company interviews are too varied and random to prep for it all. Leetcode makes it one easy bar to pass

[jovial latch]

i think leetcode is best served as a initial filter, to see whether you can actually code or have 0 fucking knowledge

anything more than that and i dont think it works

[brave forge]

ya the "solve 3 leetcode DP hards just because" isn't really necessary

[jovial latch]

it means nothing

i mean, you take some mid or senior engineer and give them lc hards, would they even be able to do it lol

[timber rock]

it's not really a full indicator, but there must be some sort of correlation or companies would stop using it

[jovial latch]

there really isnt
its basically the cs equivalent of standardized testing, in that its existence only shows how good you are at doing leetcode

ie. codesignal

a nice single score that companies can use as a filter

you can also blame the oversaturation of the market for this

for the need to have these arbitary filters becaus so many people think cs is easy money and bloat the pool knowing absolutely nothing

[brave forge]

it's wayy too easy to get a degree at a lot of unis nowadays

so much non-standardization in universities unlike engineering degrees

a lot of small state universities have very easy CS programs that equip u with 0 skills for the real market

it almost feels like a bootcamper would be ahead of CS grads lol, aside from all the extra gen eds and math stuff u have to take

[timber rock]

my cs degree was majority just theory

then there are people at other unis making web apps and shit, i didnt even know what a framework was until like last year

[brave forge]

my uni teaches us full stack 1 & 2 which is like angular and AWS

[fallen fox]

cs isn't really software engineering though

[timber rock]

i got taught uhhhhhh uhhhh

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[brave forge]

uhhhhhhh

[timber rock]

haskell!!

[brave forge]

i bring up uni classes i took and interviewers dont really seem to care loll

[timber rock]

"ok but can you figure out how much rain water is trapped in this bar graph"

[jovial latch]

oh my fucking god

bae systems literally asked me that

and flood fill

and im like, bruh this a dumbass defense contracotr company god dman

i mean easy lc

[timber rock]

flood fill aint too bad lol

[jovial latch]

i did it

but thats not the point

like its funny

that you have these defense contractors now just asking a buncha lc cause thats the standard interview process these days

[brave forge]

pretty much defense are some of the laziest companies you can work for

[timber rock]

i got asked this in an oa for a uk bank

[jovial latch]

yea well, too many fucking applicants, cause i fuckin aced all their questions nad still got rejected

[brave forge]

UK moment

[timber rock]

you really dont

[obsidian crater]

I need to

[timber rock]

please stay where you are and accept your 200k tc

[brave forge]

america

america is only good if u are rich

[obsidian crater]

I have 0 tc

[brave forge]

im always amazed immigrants actually want to move to the USA lol

[timber rock]

i just wanna go for money

[brave forge]

[timber rock]

work for a bit then run on back to eu for a good life

[raw plank]

LC is good practice, its just demoralizing af when you practice hundreds of problems, finally get an OA, and its one you just can't figure out

[timber rock]

if u aint cheating on oa ur doing it wrong

[raw plank]

you can only memorize so much

[brave forge]

[raw plank]

and usa is literally the best country in the world to live in

for the largest group of people

[jovial latch]

ohhhh

ah

is it though

merica is a developed nation, and any developed nation is better then a developing nation

this is just a fact

[timber rock]

uhhhh huuuuuuhhhhhhhh 🦅

[jovial latch]

but america is basically the bottom of the barrel when it comes to developed nations

[brave forge]

how tf oman above usa

switzerland dont want u 😛

[teal jackal]

unbeatable country for income earning potential

[timber rock]

this is true

[brave forge]

cause we actually have a developed industry

[jovial latch]

i mean that earning potential is shot the moment you have like, any medical emergency lol

[teal jackal]

tbh it is kinda sad that America is THE nation of opportunity but it leaves so many people behind in the process

[brave forge]

but idk it's good if your on top. my dad immigrated here and is at like $350k+ /yr income 23 years later. idk how to repeat that and get that rich though lol

if he stayed in his home country his income would be like 1k/yr lol

[teal jackal]

but nonetheless its the country to be in if you have good talent

in something with good demand

ofc

[jovial latch]

america is good if you're highup income wise lol
hard to move up if you fuckin down there, america does not help its struggling citizens at all

other developed nations have a stronger safety net

[timber rock]

yea

[brave forge]

or if your parents dont really help u out it's a rip you have to build yourself up from the bottom

the best social net is joining the military if your fit enough lol

which to be fair is open to anyone and will make you come out with a free degree and some savings to get your life in order tho

[jovial latch]

we really dont

[brave forge]

ya if u get deployed and get injured that's a rip

[jovial latch]

and the military spends endless effort trying to convince young people to join the military

[teal jackal]

i heard military isnt really a meat grinder

[brave forge]

luckily the USA isn't at war right now so nobody should be dying

[jovial latch]

shit like 'we pay your loans' to streaming on twitch

[brave forge]

A lot of people who join the military just sit at a base in the USA for 4 years and leave

[teal jackal]

most people in military do shit where theyll never have to touch a gun

yeah

[brave forge]

some of them get useful skills

[timber rock]

if you choose a speciality that is applicable outside the military it can be good

[raw plank]

I said for the most people

try being not swiss living in switzerland

[brave forge]

[obsidian crater]

I want to immigrate to the US because I have family here

🤷‍♂️

[jovial latch]

the us is also unique in that its 50 fucking states really, and we have outdated policies

[timber rock]

still not really true though is it

it's the best for the top x%

[raw plank]

when I say most I mean most people, like different types of people

no matter where you're from you can live in the us and live a good life

at least, the chance is higher than other places

like eu 💀

[brave forge]

If u immigrate to eu high chance your going to be broke lol

[timber rock]

it has the highest potential, sure

but most people never reach high income

if you're low or average income, you'll be better off in most european countries

[brave forge]

True for sure. Not much u can do about it

[timber rock]

well most western/northern ones

[brave forge]

A lot of people are born here and don’t get a choice

[timber rock]

we dont talk about the balkans

💀

[brave forge]

Well, they ignited world war 1 by the killing of Franz Ferdinand

Then They blamed it on Germany Lmaoo

[timber rock]

i wasnt being 100% serious but they're poorer than the north/west

romania, serbia, albania, that kinda region

[brave forge]

Also highly unstable and people have hated them for hundreds of years

Romanias pretty safe now tho with nato

[timber rock]

romania is actually pretty nice

[brave forge]

Only thing that keeps europe together and prosperous is the USA threatening to fuck them up if they dare fight each other again

[timber rock]

swe salaries are pretty good there compared to col i heard

[raw plank]

if you dont mind me asking @timber rock where are u from?

[timber rock]

got one eye on germany in case they try that shit again

[brave forge]

I think he said UK

[timber rock]

lets go for round 3

[timber rock]

scotland

[brave forge]

U can earn good SWE money there tho

[timber rock]

yes

[brave forge]

I have a friend getting like 80k that got a CS degree in that area after only a few YOE

[timber rock]

amazon actually pays the same in edinburgh as they do in london

which is pretty funny

for ng at least

[brave forge]

Even new grad you can get like 30k which is a lot for the area

[timber rock]

ng at amazon is like 70k lol

30k is alright for edinburgh but not a huge amount

[brave forge]

Ya I mean local companies

[timber rock]

oh yeah for local companies thats about right

[fallen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-26881270

[timber rock]

can't have a single conversation about non-us salaries without a us person coming in to shit talk it

it was only a matter of time

[teal jackal]

70k is very good for british standards

in some countries the CoL is proportionate to local incomes and purchasing power

in tier 1 chinese cities, you make a chinese salary with first world housing costs

not sure how the CoL in the uk is

[timber rock]

a lot of US cs grads just dont realise how inflated american swe salaries are compared to literally everywhere else

[jovial latch]

meanwhile 100k wont crack it in the bay area lol

[timber rock]

pretty sure the UK has the 3rd highest swe salaries in the world

[jovial latch]

i mean im in the nyc region lol

[brave forge]

Except living costs match?

[timber rock]

no, they dont

london salaries are about half of nyc salaries and cost of living is not 2x in nyc

[fossil jewel]

nah they dont even realize how inflated swe is compared to everything else

so many out of touch

[timber rock]

yep

[teal jackal]

petrol engineers make good money

tbh working in energy is a good career for the next 40 years

Oil is not going to die anytime soon

[brave forge]

[fossil jewel]

yeah oil is always gonna be sought after

but you're out there working middle of nowhere or somewhere in the middle east

[brave forge]

Middle of Texas bad

[teal jackal]

Central Texas, Alberta, Alaska

[swift falcon]

remote (middle east)

Yemen

[timber rock]

my dad used to work in saudi arabia

lmfao

[fossil jewel]

saudi/dubai have a lot of foreigners

[teal jackal]

Prudhoe Bay in Alaska seems sick

northernmost place on earth connected to a highway network

[brave forge]

My dad still does he makes military weapons for Raytheon

[swift falcon]

Remote (Alaska)

[timber rock]

loool mine worked for bae

[fossil jewel]

Alberta is pretty nice too

the views

[swift falcon]

bae caught me slippin

[brave forge]

Mayb if you are rich ya

[fossil jewel]

yeah not all of Dubai is rich

[brave forge]

Is she single

[timber rock]

dubai is fun but the slavery part is not great

[fossil jewel]

googling Alberta i realize there's fires there atm

[brave forge]

Wow career goals there

[timber rock]

i wanna learn to fly

tbh

imagine being the one friend who has a plane

it's like we're back at 16 being the one friend who can drive

[teal jackal]

being a pilot sounds sick

bt i heard being a pilot takes some extent of legacy in order to become one

[jovial latch]

dubai is pretty much the symbol of capitalism imo

interpret that however you want

[teal jackal]

dubai is literally third world country with a gucci belt

[timber rock]

first world for expats and third world for the rest

lmao

[jovial latch]

its also so superficial and shallow and everything is tacky

[timber rock]

yeah

[teal jackal]

for the longest time the burj khalifa wasnt even hooked up to the sewage system

[jovial latch]

and the arrogance of it all, with no consideration fo rthe enviroment

like i said, the symbol of capitalism

saudi arabia competes in terms of absolutely insane unoptimal construction projects though

they're fuckin mad

[timber rock]

they're even executing people who refuse to be evicted to make room for their megacity stuff

[jovial latch]

i do wonder how many of them will be completed

if any

the construction companies obviously know that its extremely unpractical but they're persumably being paid a lot

what are the odds the line ever gets built

no shot right

[timber rock]

probably not

[hot jacinth]

Have any of you applied for ead in April and received their card?

[timber rock]

You can dislike the negatives of capitalism without being a communist lmfao

[rain patio]

Yeah I like capitalism in theory, but it all falls apart when you have monopolies. We need to break up monopolies to drive prices down and also place tighter regulations on companies so they pay their employees more. No more funneling all this wealth to the suits up top who just chill in board meetings while their workers bust their backs making them money

[teal jackal]

I think the moderate status quo will always be more viable then reform or revolution

[jovial latch]

so yea this is pretty much the ah soc dem stance, heavy ass regulations on everything but still capitalism, strong safety net and all

you see a little bit of that in western europe i think, the scandenvian nations or whatever

[eager swallow]

Is anyone getting any calls for interview?

I am pretty sure my resume is good, but I am not getting any calls! My EAD starts from july

[marsh sand]

When will 2024 new grad apps open?

[final ore]

No call or online assessments so far... applied to 1400+ roles

[final ore]

Aug to sept

[split igloo]

I am pretty sure its due to your status

I have one friend (he's domestic) he got tons of calls from offices in NYC

well gotta consider the fact that his home is in NYC as well

[final ore]

🙃

[marble ivy]

im in nyc and dont get calls from anyone

[split igloo]

dang

might be resume

[marble ivy]

like ppl reach out to ur friend?

[split igloo]

nah, he applied through LInkedIn

[marble ivy]

oh ic

yeah i mean i hear back and get like recruiter calls and stuff but the positions end up getting cancelled

ive had like 3 positions i was almost done with the interviews with get cancelled

and 1 offer rescinded

[split igloo]

For that, prob more like the market issues

it's not under your control, but the world is just doomed

[shut crescent]

yeah im getting a few

got one from spacex even

[marble ivy]

wow

[split igloo]

but yeah, pretty much 2023 new grad recruiting is ended, waiting for 2024 openings

[marble ivy]

im 2022

[split igloo]

I should have said entry level positions

[marble ivy]

but for 2024 openings, 2022 grads cant apply

it will ask for 2024 grads

[split igloo]

I mean applying doesn't hurt you know

who knows they don't actually cares

[shut crescent]

just apply to everything even senior positions, some of them are inflating titles

like if u have 1 yr of experience but theyre asking for like 2-3 just apply anyways

[split igloo]

I think some companies use 'new grad' as a synonym for 'entry level.'

[shut crescent]

i dont think the job market is as bad as before for new grads

still pretty shit but better than before

[split igloo]

yeah not as bad as during 1929–1939

so I am happy

[shut crescent]

but i also didnt experience it with 0 YOE cuz i had found a job right away

[marble ivy]

ur company hiring?

[shut crescent]

nop closed u dont want to be at my company

management is ass

[marble ivy]

idt u realize how desperate ppl r rn

[shut crescent]

my manager left 1-2 months and they still havent found a manager, just some temp dude thats on a contract

[split igloo]

I know Apple is hiring pretty actively compared to other big techs as far as I know

[shut crescent]

im only still here cuz its fully remote lol

[split igloo]

if you are solid at Swift and Object-C

shoot for em

[marble ivy]

apple doesnt have any roles in nyc

[split igloo]

prolly more than thousands HC available in San Diego

Apple has only small office in NYC

[marble ivy]

idk if i wanna be in cali all by myself, idk anyone there

[split igloo]

I know they are gonna expand their presence in NYC, but not in 3 or 5 yrs

[split igloo]

better than jobless tho

[shut crescent]

i dont think ima ever leave cali everyone i know is here

[marble ivy]

thats true, i guess ill apply

[shut crescent]

shit state tbh tho

[marble ivy]

this is the same for me but like NYC/NJ area

[shut crescent]

i hate the politicians that control cali lol

people keep revoting them too

[split igloo]

miss old days walk in Bronx 2 in the morning

[marble ivy]

🟥

wow apple does have a lot of jobs

[jovial latch]

yall got a senator that is so dementia ridden its basically weekend at bernies

anyway, companies are fuckin weird man, ive had a couple reach out to me asking for interviews for shit i applied to like 2-3 months ago

dont know whats up with that tbh

i will say if you're applying frequently to a fuck ton of stuff, and your resumes solid, you should be getting responses for an interview

truly is a numbers game

honestly though within the last 2-3 weeks i got contacted by like 10 different companies, idk if this time of year is like a fuckin hiring time or something

[marble ivy]

how

which companies

[jovial latch]

idek, buncha random ass shit
i attribute it to coincidence timing, since companies usually dont fucking respond apparently until quite a while after you send a app

[marble ivy]

ive been spam applying to every Lockheed posting i see, 4 day work weeks is sick

[jovial latch]

defense contractors are a good bet, you should try other ones too

[marble ivy]

nope

[jovial latch]

its possible they completed hiring

i spoke with bae systems and l3harris few months back

[marble ivy]

ghost for most, i heard back for one, but it was in like Alabama

so i asked the recruiter if i could move forward with like any of the roles i applied to in NJ instead and then i got ghosted

[jovial latch]

Frankly at this point I'd say there's basically no 2023 hiring
The couple of compajies I'm talking with are more, "we need someone for a specific role" kinda deal and not new grad programs

[marble ivy]

i think i applied to an entry lvl role at l3harris in NJ a few weeks ago, never heard back tho

[jovial latch]

I only have 2 exceptions to that, and they both went through my college, and the offer I have, I've been speaking to that recruiter since February

And that only happened because an opportunity opened up like 5 days ago

[marble ivy]

i cant use my college career site anymore, cuz i graduated already

[jovial latch]

If you feel good about a interview or company you might want to try and connect with a recruiter
Other than that, I can't really say what can be done lol

If you aren't getting any callbacks, that resume might be slacking

Very standard

[marble ivy]

the role asked for 6 months- 1 yoe too, like i met all the reqs and the fact that i had an offer there back in 2021 too

[jovial latch]

There's just too many candidates

It's pretty much all bout connections that gets you hired at this point

It's kinda scary how it's a butterfly effect

[marble ivy]

ya guess so, i applied to that amex role with a referral too

[jovial latch]

If I hadn't chosen to speak with Chubb at my college career fair, and didn't maintain contact with that recruiter, then I wouldn't have a job

That was back in February

Christ

[marble ivy]

i think i applied to some entry lvl swe role there last week

[jovial latch]

I will say from my experience recruiters are much more likely to try and help you get a role after you get a callback from the company

So the real answer is just sending more apps, but at this point like I said, nothing really left

Everything happening now was started back a few months ago

[jovial latch]

The Whitehouse NJ posting?

[marble ivy]

Yes

@jovial latch

[jovial latch]

Nah, but ah sorry you wasted your time with that app, that's my job lol

[marble ivy]

No wayyy

SWE Associate?

[jovial latch]

The ah recruiter had actually sent my info to the team before the posting went up lol

[marble ivy]

this role is hybrid tho

ur moving here?

[jovial latch]

I'm in northern NJ rn near NYC, I can get down there by train
I'm currently trying to negotiate the ah hybrid policy

Dang that blows, they were hiring couple months back

Don't you mean Whitehouse station

[marble ivy]

no thats just the name of the town

[jovial latch]

O

[marble ivy]

closest station is north branch

its the last stop on the raritan valley line

[jovial latch]

Nah it's whitehouse station I think

I looked it up on maps earlier I could have sworn that was closer

[marble ivy]

it is

but the train just stops at north branch

like most of them

[jovial latch]

What

[marble ivy]

some of them just stop at raritan they dont even goto north branch

[jovial latch]

You're shitting me it doesn't fucking go to Whitehouse station?

[marble ivy]

it does but not that often

[jovial latch]

I mean, surely on weekdays

On commuter hours

I'm sure it's fine

[marble ivy]

every 3 hours looks like

[jovial latch]

I can work with that

The Chubb offer exists to speed up my timeline with other companies

Hopefully this week I get another offer and then I can negotiate

[marble ivy]

Ya theres alot that just say to know python and java

[jovial latch]

Yeaaaa that was me lol, I pretty much weaseled my way into their June cohort

[marble ivy]

wow

this is actually crazy, i did not expect someone to get a job 3 min away from my house

[jovial latch]

I wanted the jersey City location but they had no opportunities

Eh, depending on what happens this week, maybe I reject the Chubb offer so who knows

They want a decision by Friday

[teal jackal]

Yakhuna my Lockheed daddy fr

[shrewd ivy]

@ yahkuna at 2am lmao

[dawn sequoia]

smh

no class

YAHKUNA

[prime palm]

Just sign then renege

[swift falcon]

i need job

[shut crescent]

and they keep voting the same dude after getting finessed each year

we pay so much tax money and our roads are still in 1990s

[idle stump]

Can spring 2023 grads apply for 2024 new grad roles ?

[fossil jewel]

cant hurt to

some jobs put the dates, they can be a semester prior or so

[timber rock]

depends on the company

you have to read the job description, they will usually say who is eligible

[fossil jewel]

i think under 1 year can be considered ng even if you got a job, depends on company

[lunar hatch]

yeah usually < 1 yoe all cosidered ng

[tardy geode]

damn ng 2024 is gonna be insane

[split plaza]

Insane probably an understatement lol

[lunar hatch]

will ng hiring for 2024 even exist

[timber rock]

we can only hope

[lunar hatch]

i think quant might still be hiring but highly doubt tech

[rain patio]

Screw 2024 grads. Ima take yer jobs

Ya gotta wait for 2025 for your turn

[fossil jewel]

bloomberg about to get everyone and their family applying again

[swift falcon]

wdym

is bloomberg where it’s at?

[fossil jewel]

this year everyone applied to bloomberg

[swift falcon]

all 100k of us looking for jobs?

we all get hired

!?

[fossil jewel]

they took a lot of people that were ex-faang/unicorn but started to get overloaded

i think by december the ng pipeline got closed

[bold pier]

Yeah f em, rejected after perfect interviews just coz no faang in resume

[fossil jewel]

nah they took non-faang

its just that they had a LOT of people in the pipeline

some people got ghosted by interviewers

my rejection was due to anxiety and underpreparing tbh

@west egret had his interview at the same time i did

[timber rock]

bb recruiting was hilarious

[grizzled bronze]

Fuck Bloomberg! JP Morgan > Bloomberg

[timber rock]

some people's interviewers didnt turn up like 3 times in a row

[fossil jewel]

i mean @swift falcon since you're a job changer JPM does have a program thats gonna open apps in the summer

[fossil jewel]

honestly, on my end, my interviewers were all great

very random

[timber rock]

mine was fine as well

[brave forge]

Maybe if a war breaks out with russia and all the CS majors get conscripted we can have normal new grad cycles again

[grizzled bronze]

Once @pulsar mural gets promoted to SDE 2 at AMEX then the recession will be over

[fossil jewel]

isnt @pulsar mural at Lockheed

[grizzled bronze]

Maybe, I was assuming he would continue with AMEX instead since Lockheed is strict about phone usage

[fossil jewel]

oh

yeah cant let him send weird messages to people

thats bad for company rep

@pulsar mural would send the confidential documents

[cyan plank]

[fallen fox]

palantir only hires ngs from target schools anyway

plebs like me are fucked

[pure mauve]

yes indeed

[round lake]

Anyone had an interview with CVS?

[swift falcon]

ayo send me da link

[fossil jewel]

check DM

eh

lemme just send it here

https://careers.jpmorgan.com/us/en/students/programs/emerging-talent-software-engineers-fulltime

[static quarry]

swe telling other swe ai will take their job

[pulsar mural]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/970448137925844993/1110056472882192485/958093522848866334.gif

[grizzled bronze]

There are several factors that can contribute to decisions taking longer to come after an interview. Here are a few possible reasons:

Decision-Making Process: Organizations often have established decision-making processes that involve multiple stakeholders and various levels of approval. This can slow down the decision-making timeline, especially if there are multiple candidates being considered or if the decision requires input from different departments or teams.

Interview Panel Availability: Coordinating schedules for all the interview panel members can be challenging, especially if they have other responsibilities and commitments. It may take time to find a suitable time slot for everyone to meet and discuss their evaluations.

Candidate Evaluation: After the interviews are conducted, the interviewers need to evaluate each candidate thoroughly. They may need to review their notes, compare candidates, and consider various factors before reaching a decision. This evaluation process can take time, particularly if there are numerous applicants or if the decision-makers want to ensure a fair and objective assessment.

Internal Discussions and Consensus: In many cases, decisions are made collectively by a hiring committee or a group of decision-makers. They may need to discuss and debate the strengths and weaknesses of each candidate, share their perspectives, and reach a consensus. This collaborative process can add time to the decision-making timeline.

External Factors: Sometimes, external factors beyond the control of the hiring team can delay decisions. For example, budget constraints, organizational changes, or unexpected events may impact the decision-making process and cause delays.

It's worth noting that organizations generally aim to make decisions in a reasonable timeframe to respect both the applicants' and their own time. However, the complexity and circumstances surrounding the hiring process can influence how quickly decisions are made. If you're waiting for a decision after an interview, it can be helpful to follow up politely with the hiring manager or recruiter to express your continued interest and inquire about the expected timeline for a decision.

[swift falcon]

noice ty

[idle stump]

Join the club

[cloud zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/van-darkholme-gachi-gachimuchi-fuck-you-ghistiannotfunny22no-gif-18383308

[tacit grove]

wait for the interview you just did last week?

So you got rejected for the interview you did on Friday?

oh okay okaay

Havn't heard back yet

[faint umbra]

what role u interviewed for ?

[tawny wasp]

Anybody heard back from block?

[iron lily]

this is only for current JPMC employees

[fossil jewel]

i think there's something else that isnt

just need to check

[iron lily]

yeah there’s the software engineering program

but that opens in August

[fossil jewel]

yes, im in that

[tacit grove]

For which company?

[autumn iris]

anything ML related

will always have something math related early on

[static quarry]

new rejection PR 1:52:00

LFG

[autumn iris]

isnt that kinda normal

MLE is mainly MLOps

deploying+analyzing models through cloud

[neon perch]

Yes and they suck

[fallen fox]

holy shit bungie's hm round

literally the worst interview i ever had in my entire life

holy fck i need a rope

[brave forge]

did u talk about gaming

[fallen fox]

no 2 mfers drilled on c++ memory allocation/safe pointer use

i shat my pants

[brave forge]

man CS is a nightmare

[autumn iris]

[timber rock]

yes

no

i try to pass them all

[obsidian crater]

mane

fuck chatgpt responses

[fallen fox]

no official rejection yet

[autumn iris]

if everyone else is worse

[bold pier]

Yes, unless it's mentioned they are knockout round

Yes, but not too soon. When was the interview?

[fallen fox]

cool

[bold pier]

Send out a mail tomm morning or wed, they could be busy since the week just started.

[fallen fox]

3952

i just want a normal interview where they don't ask me lc hards and c++ memory management

an interview where they only asses culture fit and two sum for a 120k offer

not too much to ask

[rain patio]

I just want an easy interview for a 40k offer 😭

[sleek owl]

Meta last year

[rain patio]

even the low paying jobs are asking you to be a god at programming

Bruh I had a system design interview for a freaking web dev internship. It was so stupid. They were grilling me on back end load balancing stuff. I thought the position was for front end web dev

[cerulean sandal]

not true, my school is ranked like 50 and i got offer

[fallen fox]

mines ranked 50 from the bottom 💀

[brave forge]

intern?

summer starts next week

[swift falcon]

bro pls dear god jesus gods of the afterlife give me a job in the next two weeks 90k+ tc god jesus allah pls ty

[brave forge]

wish granted, you will be paid 90k in pakistan rupees, which is the equivalent of 100 dollars. enjoy

[swift falcon]

*no monkey paw

what is the range?

is it actually livable salary?

[lunar hatch]

congrats that's huge

[grizzled bronze]

Even the lowest range is a lot, and if you get a return offer their pay is really good

Congrats!

[swift falcon]

holy fuck

$42hr is 87k a year

you made it

[lunar hatch]

yeah ask for it

usually they will agree

exception is some big techs like meta/google

[fallen fox]

you have an offer for masters right?

[rain patio]

bruh wtf $42/hr wtf

Bruh i'll be lucky to find a low end job for $20/hr

[rose meadow]

I’d say remove projects, exp always helps, also dependent on the project

Ditch the projects

Imo

Not too sure about that, ATS generally go top to bottom, so relevant course work might help

Top w more weight

[rain patio]

I feel like a boomer...what is HC?

[oblique wasp]

head count

Every team has a head count - the number of candidates they are planning to hire

[rain patio]

yeah move over 2024 grads. It's time for 2023 grads to get the jobs they were promised

[jovial latch]

its gonna get worse honestly which terrifies me

2023 grads were caught off guard, but 2024 grads are prepared for this hsit

gl to y'all seriously god fuckin damn its gonna be absolutely brutal

[bold pier]

Damn people already preparing for 24 season, here I am planning how not to get deported in next few months

[severe pendant]

are u already graduated?

[bold pier]

Yeah, last week

[severe pendant]

oh ... i know some of my classmates who are international students delayed their graduation by one semester because they did not secure a ft job yet.

[swift falcon]

bro i just understand why i can’t get a job

im literally a master

[bold pier]

Yeah, didn't want to waste more time studying.
I regret enrolling in Masters. Need to get back into workforce asap, either here or back home

[severe pendant]

u will find job eventually! getting a master degree is a great accomplishment! Be proud of yourself!

[swift falcon]

think pierre think

https://tenor.com/view/think-pooh-winnie-the-pooh-thinking-brain-gif-5356709

what if i started 2 companies

1 is some shell company that sells some garbage

[fallen fox]

any december 2022 grads still umemployed? :rope:

[swift falcon]

then I make a second one that is a freelance company

and I take myself on as a client

it’s so dumb it might just work

[unique topaz]

find a position at school if you can. thats what i did

[unique topaz]

what extension are you using for this?

[fallen fox]

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ultimate-h1b-sponsor-chec/gaafhpdcjnlehapjdngfoonljgeodffm

[unique topaz]

thanks

[fallen fox]

yes

[raw plank]

Me coping that if market gets better companies will want to hire my jaded, bitter, depressed 2022 ass after 1.5 years of forgetting everything I learned instead of hiring the fresh new 2024 grads

[swift falcon]

think about all the people that are in swe positions right now that are just doing it for the money

and for clout

and all of us unemployed people that actually deserve the jobs

[raw plank]

interview skills have been tanking with my confidence and self worth

[grizzled bronze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WabOyk5h6s8

Making courses is profitable 🤑

Respect to Clement for sharing all this

I'm gonna make my own course someday, just need to get into FAANG first

[teal jackal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLpuq0jyiCE&ab_channel=PatrickRowley

100s of dollars: Therapy(no end in sight for it to be useful)
19.95: rent this motherfucker(life changing event)

[rain patio]

bro if i get passed on for a 2024 grad ima throw a fit

[velvet sapphire]

newbie question but when do applications for new grads graduating in the winter open up? most new grad roles i’ve seen require spring grads?

[brazen sail]

Has anybody had a panel interview at Sandia national laboratories and know that it’s like

[prime palm]

2024 job postings gonna be so overloaded

2022 grads who couldn't find a 2023 job + everyone who got laid off

Then the 2023 grads applying to 2024 postings

☠️☠️

[fallen fox]

922 in 9 minutes

[brave forge]

Totally normal

Who even is rakuten rewards

[fallen fox]

ideally you should still look for full time roles even if you get a return offer