2023_grads

[whole berry]

2022 grads lookin at this with the utmost sadness

[fallen fox]

inb4 you dont qualify for 2024 roles because you graduated in december 2022

might as well rope at that point

[obsidian crater]

Idk how one could graduate in early 2022 and not get an offer

I only know one guy that didn't

But his resume was shit and he refused to leetcode

Still got a government job

[livid yew]

2022 was a odd ball

[obsidian crater]

Wasn't AWS hiring anyone with a pulse in 2022

Late 2021-2022 I mean

[livid yew]

I had AWS interview

[obsidian crater]

I know guys that cheated their way through classes that just did blind75 and made to aws

[brave forge]

There’s a surprising number of people that never land jobs with CS degree, yet adamantly say they grind every day. Like something must be wrong

[whole berry]

some lies have been told

[livid yew]

Cheating is bad

[brave forge]

My uni discord is so depressing every CS major is like nobody will ever hire us and you need 10 YOE for entry level jobs . They rly just blame anything

[obsidian crater]

A lot of people don't really grind

[livid yew]

I failed AWS interview

I got a LC medium

[obsidian crater]

Like a lot of people at my uni don't even do leetcode

[livid yew]

And had never done LC before

[obsidian crater]

Their resume is shit and do nothing except classes

[livid yew]

So I was like, bruh wtf is this

[brave forge]

Same I did that at my first technical interview with Garmin it was so cringe

[whole berry]

the best time to graduate was 2019

[livid yew]

I had 3 weeks to prep

[whole berry]

when tech was booming and lc wasnt in everyones asshole at that time

[obsidian crater]

LC is cringe

[livid yew]

I couldn't learn LC in 3 weeks

[brave forge]

I did also and just played rainbow 6 siege cause I was too stressed and couldn’t learn leetcode that quick

[livid yew]

Nobody can learn it that quick

[obsidian crater]

I have a love hate relationship with LC

It's cringe but I guess you can get lucky with questions you've seen before

[fallen fox]

you bomb classes to grind LC and then the interviewer asks you two sum ☠️

[grizzled bronze]

Glad you failed, Comcast is way better culture + WLB. You got good mentorship and got promoted faster!

[brave forge]

I started learning lc at my first yr of uni but progress was slow and now I’m on my 2nd yr and still trying to learn

[obsidian crater]

I'd much rather build something

[novel nimbus]

2021 dec* the best

[fallen fox]

sofi moment 💀

[livid yew]

🧢

I am a greedy money whore now

[obsidian crater]

Man I'm so jealous of my friends

They all got good jobs

meanwhile I'm out here rotting

[livid yew]

Most of my friends work in Iowa, making 50-70k a year lol

[whole berry]

the people from 2019 grad still at the jobs seasoned and avoiding layoffs and even if they get hit with layoffs they get to find jobs easy bc of YOE but 2021 dec grads with less than 1 YOE getting pumped back into the market and hung to dry bc lack of YOE

[somber pond]

any indian student tho about to graduate? related to software role? ping

[livid yew]

I'm getting Indian food for dinner

If that counts

[obsidian crater]

what food

[livid yew]

Idk friends wanna go out on a Monday

Food then bars

[brave forge]

@somber pond can you advice us what Indian food to buy

[somber pond]

biryani, chickens etc etc depends on ur preference

[livid yew]

Chicken is not Indian lol

[somber pond]

u can get shahi paneer with naan

[livid yew]

I made naan on Saturday

It turned out... Fine

[somber pond]

where u from

[livid yew]

Need to iterate on my recipe

[livid yew]

Illinois

[brave forge]

He’s from Detroit

[somber pond]

is this us server?

[brave forge]

Na Chinese

[livid yew]

I mean, it's whatever u want it to be

[swift falcon]

there are dozens of us

[livid yew]

Majority of ppl here are from/live in the US I think

[somber pond]

yare yare

[late kestrel]

or desperately want to work here

[livid yew]

All my fancy apartment pictures were a scam

I actually live here

[obsidian crater]

Hey any Swiss people about to graduate?

I recently got laid off from Credit Suisse and my former employer was SVB

[brave forge]

Do you sleep on yellow line

[livid yew]

I sleep over the line

[obsidian crater]

Yo wassup dawg

I live in my momma's basement

I'm diamond in LoL, what about you?

[neon tide]

wood v, in line with my interview performance

[somber pond]

thats sad to hear howz work life balance in ur old job

[obsidian crater]

Being a Europoor we rarely work tbh

4 hrs a day, 3 days a week then we riot when government runs out of money

[neon tide]

dont forget about the weekly strikes

[grizzled bronze]

Yeah now you're in a good position, if you get into AWS this time you're not gonna be pipped

thanks to Comcast

[obsidian crater]

I like the shitposting

Because we're all insane

Because no job

It's all comcast's fault

[neon tide]

18 months of masters for market to recover pls

wait srs?

why the fuck?

[obsidian crater]

evil fucks

[outer radish]

yo this is actualy some bullshit what the fuck lmao

[livid yew]

last CodeSig I did was in 2019

whats the TLDR here?

[obsidian crater]

codesignal sucks

[livid yew]

recruting has seasons?

lol in college, I just applied when things opened

I never went thru "new grad"

i.e mentor,etc

[fossil jewel]

and when was that

usually its during summer-fall

for the next year'

[livid yew]

I never really kept track

[obsidian crater]

I hope Allah has a high TC in store for me at the end of this journey of suffering

[livid yew]

I have never had a "applications" spreadsheet or anything

oh yeah you right

most of my apps were January/Feb of 2020, when graduation was may 2020

maybe i was supposed to start earlier

[jovial latch]

Well good thing I'm fucking graduating when all this ai bs has made the OA process that much more bullshit

[brave forge]

5-6 months ahead is perfect

[livid yew]

huh, lemme go back in time

[outer radish]

MARKET FINNA BE BOOMING FOR US IN THIS UPCOMING YEAR

FUCK RECESSIONS

[late kestrel]

i started this year in august and i hardly had touched lc

[livid yew]

why is this $25 https://www.amazon.com/HumanCentric-Under-Desk-Storage-Shelf/dp/B08WYWSXKT

[jovial latch]

Mind you I don't have a job

So I might be subject to this harder bs oa crap anyways

On the next hiring season

[livid yew]

got google reject for L4

its tough out there boys

[jovial latch]

I have 3 chances left for a job and then I'm absolutely fucked and gotta get into the next hiring season

[livid yew]

I mean openings will pop up at any time of the year

but yeah once the "bulk" has passed, its slim pickins

[obsidian crater]

[livid yew]

back to work

[fossil jewel]

i only did that this season

i tried last season, it got chaotic and i forgot

[late kestrel]

uh no i work at walmart

[fossil jewel]

applied to ~30ish jobs

[late kestrel]

ive got this cool coworker named hickie

he makes my job fun

[obsidian crater]

I work at Jane St.

[livid yew]

its so scuffed

[fossil jewel]

i work at Jane Rd

[obsidian crater]

I won an IMO medal when I was in my mother's womb

Beat that

[late kestrel]

ong

[fossil jewel]

i won one when my mother wasnt even born

beat that

[obsidian crater]

I won one before it existed

Beat that

[fossil jewel]

i won one before existence was a thing

[obsidian crater]

@rain patio 🤡

[fossil jewel]

for some reason zon likes to ghost me but last time i withdrew bc i dont wanna be in newark

[livid yew]

60K in Iowa tho

[fossil jewel]

oh the guy who likes american psycho

💀

[livid yew]

I have finished 3 chapters of this book today 💀

[obsidian crater]

I like American psycho

[livid yew]

any Walking Dead stans here? my dad is invested in that BS

[fossil jewel]

my brother said it started fine but got worse

[brave forge]

I agree

That’s just weird

[fossil jewel]

i used to think bloomingdale's and bloomberg were the same

[obsidian crater]

Bloomberg is a bad company tbh

I'd rather get an offer at TCS than bloomberg

[fossil jewel]

i mean thats what they do at blox

[obsidian crater]

Imagine being staff SWE and being asked LC

[fossil jewel]

see their assessment is relative to the job

[livid yew]

I love the smell of Windex

💀

[obsidian crater]

I do too

[livid yew]

correction, I love the smell of Ammonium

all I get is free cable, hbo, peacock, all the msnbc/cnbc stuff

sports

[brave forge]

Do u even watch TV

[fossil jewel]

i get some partner perks

[livid yew]

yeah

anything Universal/NBC I get for free basically.

[obsidian crater]

Do you even lift bro

[livid yew]

which is a metric fuckton of movies

[obsidian crater]

Hey guys I know a secret method of making $10,000 and I am willing to give it away for free!

[neon tide]

no

[obsidian crater]

You just have to make one dollar

[fossil jewel]

Hey guys I know a secret method of making $10,000 and I am NOT willing to give it away for free!

[obsidian crater]

Then make one dollar 10,000 times

[neon tide]

can gpt4 do this for me

[jaunty basalt]

They’re across the street from each other

[fossil jewel]

I KNOW

[livid yew]

I know you are all brokies

[fossil jewel]

thats why

[obsidian crater]

Brokies?

I'm not a wagie brother

[livid yew]

[fossil jewel]

i did my medical scribe job in the area

back in the day

[obsidian crater]

I got a buga'tti

A purple one

[livid yew]

would rather have wage than no money

is that an expensive car?

I am the one male who doesn't know shit about cars

I applied to roblox

[obsidian crater]

lamborghini is some multiple millions

[livid yew]

the denotes a joke

my guy I aint working there

it preys on the minds of young children

[obsidian crater]

But you work for comcast

[livid yew]

and?

[obsidian crater]

[livid yew]

our target audience is much larger

so its ok

[obsidian crater]

[brave forge]

I want

[obsidian crater]

Don't be a brokie or a wagie

Be a top G

[livid yew]

$878,189,613

[brave forge]

Oh you found my lunch money thanks I was looking for that

[obsidian crater]

Thanks, now give it to me cause I'm the bully that takes your lunch money

[fossil jewel]

you prey on the minds of old boomers

[fossil jewel]

if you want money just ask 😭

https://www.tiktok.com/@v0ncloutt/video/7198687041494748458

cringe but the point stands

[serene nymph]

i need a job

[swift falcon]

same

[autumn jolt]

[mossy ice]

From what my friend told me I think the NSA is taking apps if you wanna try there

[atomic oxide]

Does anyone know where the renege template is posted in this server? I can't seem to find it

[neon tide]

just need ts/sci with FS poly

...

actually might be ci poly

but still poly

[atomic oxide]

^TS clearance requires FS

[neon tide]

no it doesnt

poly are separate entity

you can have a ts without poly

[atomic oxide]

I've gone through the process with Lockheed, BAE, and the NSA

They've all required Poly for TS lol

[neon tide]

no, all those companies want a poly with the TS for the roles you are applying for

but you can hold a TS, or TS/SCI, with or without a poly

source: literally have a ts without a poly

[livid yew]

Doesn't the company hiring do the poly stuff for you

Like how would you already have that lol

[neon tide]

former mil / other areas of government types

but yes, companies can sponsor

they bend over backwards for qualified candidates who already have them tho

[livid yew]

Id probably fail something lol 😆

[neon tide]

cause average time on a TS is 6-9 months

[livid yew]

[neon tide]

can be longer if you have any flags in your background

[atomic oxide]

Well yeah if you go through military/other government areas you go through screenings way harder than a poly lmao

This is for normal people in this channel going to into a DoD job

[livid yew]

yeah I got held up at TSA once

[neon tide]

the screenings for the security clearances are the same

[livid yew]

💀

[neon tide]

there is no difference

[livid yew]

yeah if ever move into gov work

I know we have some gov work here

[neon tide]

the entity that does the poly and background investigations is the same for prior / current military and civilians looking for defense/3 letter agency jobs

so no the mil/other government screenings are not harder

cause same

[atomic oxide]

Yeah so trust me when I say almost all TS nowadays require poly

I've gone through the processes within the last year

A few years ago, I've read it wasn't necessary. Almost all companies want poly to approve you now

[livid yew]

this sounds like a lot of work lol

whats the TC for these places

[atomic oxide]

It's a shitload of work - It's like a 180 page doc you have to fill out before your process stars

It's low - 80-90k in HCOL, 60 in LCOL

[livid yew]

I mean I am your standard white American male, nothing sus

[atomic oxide]

But the 401k match is unbeatable lmao

[livid yew]

so I would probably be fine

yeah my match exists

could be better I guess

last job had no 401k plan or match

[atomic oxide]

It's really are you willing to go through 2-3 years in a DoD contractor/government agency doing slow-moving work because of politics

[late kestrel]

youd get denied a clearance just bc of ur discord name @atomic oxide

[livid yew]

Navy was my goal out of college tbh

[atomic oxide]

For the chance to make bank at Amazon/Microsoft for having clearance

[livid yew]

well if the end goal is only money, sure

[neon tide]

yeah it's still standard defense level pay unless you're at one of those cleared positions

[livid yew]

but idk working for the Navy would be cool o

[neon tide]

not at all what i've seen with lockheed, raytheon, and boeing

[atomic oxide]

LMAO that's why I'm preparing to renege 😂

[livid yew]

90K in LCOL would be chill

[atomic oxide]

^I wish. They pay super low

[livid yew]

Id imagine a lot of ppl here dont even qualify for these jobs

like if your on some sort of visa

its prob rejection right away

[atomic oxide]

Yeah you need to be a US citizen - otherwise you fail like Page 2 of the form lmao

[livid yew]

[atomic oxide]

Within the first few questions, it's like "do you hold a passport for another country"

[livid yew]

well last time I checked my birth record I was born here

[atomic oxide]

And if you say yes you won't get it

[livid yew]

I didnt have a US passport until I was 23

[late kestrel]

yeah i got rejected from an internship bc i am a dual citizen

[livid yew]

pretty sure I lost said passport in the move

rip

[neon tide]

the vast, vast majority of cleared jobs don't need a poly

[atomic oxide]

^Holy cow why are you still on this topic lmao

[rustic vessel]

Can I renounce dual citizenship for security clearance lol

[neon tide]

because you're spreading misinfo lol

[atomic oxide]

Cool! All the processes I've had to go through required it

[neon tide]

youve said like 5 wrong things in a row lol

[atomic oxide]

And i've gone through 3 in the past year

[livid yew]

leak confidential government secrets plz

give me the deets

tell me how to get inside Area 51

[atomic oxide]

https://www.intelligencecareers.gov/dia/security-clearance-process#:~:text=Security Clearance Process information&text=All potential employees must%3A,required counterintelligence-scope polygraph examination.

Literally bullet point 3 @neon tide

[late kestrel]

idk, i trust a guy named pooopshart

very trustworthy

[atomic oxide]

I can believe that some jobs don't require poly that's fine

[neon tide]

yeah at DIA...

and NSA as well

[atomic oxide]

But I'm saying as someone who's gone through it 3 times in the past year at LM, BAE and NSA, they've all required it lmao

[livid yew]

this seems just not worth the efforts dudes

like the pay is ass

idk

[atomic oxide]

Yeah I don't know why he's still arguing lol

[livid yew]

seems like a lot of work for not a lot of payoff

[atomic oxide]

The WLB balance at these companies is amazing

[livid yew]

who cares bro

[atomic oxide]

You basically do nothing for 40 hours and can study for other jobs haha

[livid yew]

I want better pay

I dont care if Im working 90hours a week

[late kestrel]

youve done a complete 180

[livid yew]

there are 168 hours in a 7day week

it tracks

[neon tide]

i mean i have an offer from lockheed. Go pull up the first 20 swe listings on lockheed or boeing and tell me how many say poly (hint, it's one)

but yeah, the pay isn't great

[livid yew]

if we factor in 35 hours for sleep

[atomic oxide]

^Holy shit he's still arguing LMAO

[livid yew]

yeah this fucker is on a rant

[atomic oxide]

Bro just let it pass. Congrats enjoy your TS

Congrats for not having to go through a poly either lmao

[atomic oxide]

I agree. But honestly I wouldn't complain getting one of these jobs in this environment

[neon tide]

keep telling people wrong things like TS requires poly, it's 180 pages to do an sf-86, and you have to have a poly for any position that uses ts/sci

good shit mang

[late kestrel]

5 hrs a day

[atomic oxide]

It sets you up with a place to study, free money, and then a TS for future jobs

[livid yew]

bro I say lies all day

lol

I dont fact check before I speak

that would be absurd

[neon tide]

[atomic oxide]

My bad...I exaggerated an sf-86 as 180 instead of 136 pages LMAO

Do you have a life @neon tide ?

[livid yew]

I don't get paid to say the truth

[neon tide]

truth doesn't pay, only lc

[livid yew]

I dont do LC either

I can do maybe a couple mediums

[neon tide]

i should do more

[livid yew]

if I study for a couple weeks

[neon tide]

same

[south sable]

how far can one make it without LC?

[neon tide]

you can get defense sector jobs without LC. so ~90k ish new grad. Highly doubt you're ever able to hit the top percentiles of pay without doing any LC tho for the majority of people

im sure there's some fortunate ones in there who can avoid it their whole career and still hit the high TCs

[tacit grove]

is anyone getting an "invalid date" message in their case history on the USCIS website...anyone who has applied for STEM OPT or extension? I don't know whether it's a glitch on their website or something else

[south sable]

any idea where that path would max out in terms of tc?

not bad tho

[neon tide]

🐐

do the companies that do practicals followup with leetcode later on tho

[neon tide]

like if you stayed at a defense job? rn levels shows 200kish at senior staff level

i have some friends who their coworkers were getting offered staff at Raytheon at like 175k with 130k signing bonuses

to move to AZ cause they need a shitton of people there

[livid yew]

That's a lot of money

Enough to buy a house maybe 🤔

[neon tide]

that guy who got the huge bonus had an inactive from his prior mil time

[obsidian crater]

not enough for eggs

[livid yew]

Grow your own eggs

[neon tide]

yeah really rare for layoffs. Raytheon just did tho which was unusual

[brave forge]

If they interview they are highly selective

[tardy geode]

my cousin is chillin at NASA JPL

smh i can't apply coz i am international

yea

[livid yew]

Goddamn that's cool as fuck

[tardy geode]

@brave forge bruv internationals can't apply coz of security and shiz

[livid yew]

Space is a nerds wet dream

[tardy geode]

bro is from CalTech

[livid yew]

Wait how is your cousin a citizen and not you

That don't make sense

[tardy geode]

coz my dad's brother immigrated to the US in the 90's and had him

[livid yew]

90s hmm

Pretty recent

[tardy geode]

yea

that time Green Cards were given easily

[livid yew]

Yeah the further back I go in my timeline it's like 60s or something when my family got here

[tardy geode]

i see i see

[livid yew]

Andy Weir is amazing

[brave forge]

My family came here In the 18th century from France lol

[livid yew]

Finally started reading Dune as well

Shit is thicc

[tardy geode]

i have been stress playing Forza Horizon 5

💀

like a lot

also rocket league

[brave forge]

Star Wars andor was amazing I just watched it. Feels like an hbo Star Wars show made to be more mature

[tardy geode]

just to cope with anxiety and destress

[neon tide]

andor is top tier star wars

[brave forge]

Same but my pc isn’t working and I need to buy a new one rip

[tardy geode]

[neon tide]

give me more of that

[tardy geode]

star wars battlefront 2

i had darth vader character for online play

[brave forge]

Season 2 is releasing winter 2024 to continue the story in the lead up to the movie rogue one

[jovial latch]

i really need to watch andor at some point

i however am currently suffering from the 'modern star wars just sucks syndrome' after seeing the sequel trilogy years ago

[brave forge]

And it’s more of a self contained story you don’t need too watch all of Star Wars to enjoy it

[jovial latch]

the thing is i probably would really like it, i just cant bring myself to bother

[neon tide]

secret or ts doesn't drive extra drug tests.

it does drive more in-person tho, if you're actively working on something on cleared side

i have friends who got hired on for secret but their teams have been remote for months when working on parts of their project that aren't clearance required

not permanent remote tho

[bold pier]

Weirdest read ever, It goes batshit crazy after a book or two

[brave forge]

Sir that is my tax refund your spending

[livid yew]

It's a series?

[jovial latch]

oh yea defense work never lets you work remotely

gotta move to some shitty ass location to make that commute

yadda yadda

[brave forge]

My dad is at Raytheon and works remotely a lot

[jovial latch]

correction, they never let the junior devs work remotely
the senior devs theyll let them be remote because if they werent theyd just jump ship\

[bold pier]

Yeah!
SPOILER ALERT: here's a TLDR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0krUthYxF4&t=4638s&ab_channel=AltShiftX

[neon tide]

relatively true the more junior you are the more they lean on you to be in-person, at least at big 5

[jovial latch]

yea they know they have the power over you

bastards

[bold pier]

A startup I'm interviewing at, all my interviewers WFH. But they want me to relocate and come to office if I get the job :\

[jovial latch]

startup culture am i right

man startup interviews are honestly the fucking worst

[neon tide]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-chappelle-chappelle-show-pop-copy-why-cause-fuck-em-gif-15886017

yeah ngl one of my hardest interviews was some startup with shit pay

[brave forge]

It’s to show you who is top dog at the company

[neon tide]

i got js trivia and then a lc hard

like lol k fuck you

[jovial latch]

im going to snap one of these days

[brave forge]

Bro is fuming

[jovial latch]

yea i fuckin am

[bold pier]

Weirdest shit ever, by the time it ends I would have done 10 interviews with Engineers, CTO, CEO, Director, HR, Lead HR, and what not.

[jovial latch]

i just got ghosted so yall be doing better than me

[brave forge]

Man they should have you interview with the ceos kid and their family dog also

[bold pier]

I think that's in the pipeline

I did meet the Directors Dog over zoom

[signal trellis]

what companies did you apply to on simplify?

[tawdry nacelle]

using the extension or off of the site itself

[signal trellis]

well if you applied off the site, then its really not something Simplify can necessarily help influence haha

if you apply to native Simplify positions, we try matching you quicker and prioritize you in the pipeline

but im happy to be helpful either way, let me know what roles you are searching for and ill try dropping some less--applied to roles

at the end of the day, esp in this market, you are competing against a number game in traditional recruiting systems

[tawdry nacelle]

I'll dm you to continue this

[prisma flax]

Can i also dm you regarding this 😅 would really appreciate the help

[regal badge]

when will companies post 2024 new grad jobs

[fallen fox]

in 2025

[hoary fern]

how bad is the job market rn someone give me the tldr rundown i havent been paying attn

[crystal steppe]

I started applying in around September 2022, graduated in December 2022. I have FAANG experience, only had maybe 5 to 10 interviews

[west egret]

Really bad

[crystal steppe]

Some positions I was highly qualified, but still got denied

[hoary fern]

how many did you apply for

[hoary fern]

kind of similar bg this upcoming yr

faang equivlant exp grad this dec

and dont know what to expect

[west egret]

Start applying early

[hoary fern]

my internship this summr starts in june so if i start applying before then i cant add this summers exp

[crystal steppe]

Everyday almost 10 roles per day, since April-March Before it was mostly 1 role per day since October

[west egret]

I think some companies start postings for NG in June but don’t quote me on it

[hoary fern]

okay thats a lot i think wtf

[west egret]

Either way you either risk losing out due to not having an internship on your resume or losing out because you applied later than other ppl

Not really a completely right answer to it

[hoary fern]

how is the technical interviewing been

is leetcode getting more difficult

bc its harder

i mean are companies asking more difficult questions

[crystal steppe]

Yeah almost all companies requires at least 3 rounds of interviews

[crystal steppe]

Big time

[west egret]

That’s pretty normal though

[hoary fern]

holy shit im fucked

is that normal for ng??

[west egret]

For tech companies anyways

[hoary fern]

intern interviews i think ive only ever had 1 tech interview

[west egret]

Banks and insurance companies prob less

[hoary fern]

and ive done a lot

[crystal steppe]

Amazon use to required only 2

[west egret]

That’s one company though

[crystal steppe]

For big tech, ng and internships are same

[west egret]

And it was dependent on OA results I believe

[hoary fern]

i got tableau and it was only one very easy technical but might be an exception

[mossy fiber]

I know a guy who was ng and had 6 rounds with Apple

[crystal steppe]

Ahaha dude, that's worse than sports playoffs

[hoary fern]

ok apples always insane like this tho

[west egret]

Honestly though 3 interviews isn’t that bad. Especially if one of them is just behavioral.

[hoary fern]

ya it was that

and didnt have to do anything to get the return

[timber rock]

had a recruiter call a few weeks back where the guy said "its a 4 stage process" then goes ok, first you'll do a hackerrank, then a take home code analysis test, then a take home c++ test, then a interview where you talk about your solutions. and i thought huh, doesnt sound too bad, only 1 interview. then the guy goes "so that's stage 1"

[hoary fern]

theyre also lowkey getting rid of their seattle office next yr which is making me feel like im kinda fucked

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/real-estate/tableau-shrinks-seattle-area-offices-as-owner-salesforce-cuts-costs/

this summer im return intern

but i grad in decembr

i hope so but idk

[prime palm]

SOAP?!

WTF

[hoary fern]

hi

[prime palm]

LMAO hey

[vital leaf]

any one got jobs?

[hoary fern]

im back bc i am scared of jobs again

[vital leaf]

[hoary fern]

lmaooo

[prime palm]

Did u get a tableau ft return offer

[hoary fern]

nah im returning as intern this summr

but i grad dec

[prime palm]

Trueeeee

R u going back to Seattle again

[hoary fern]

but it looks like theyre ditching seattle office next yr feb

so theres nothing for me to return to ft

[prime palm]

I won't be joining u this time

[hoary fern]

yes

[hoary fern]

noooo

where are u

[prime palm]

I'm a nyc boy now

[hoary fern]

owo

what company

[prime palm]

Did u delete ur Seattle number

[hoary fern]

i dont ahve it anymore

messga eme on discord

my phone number changes too much

[prime palm]

K

[hoary fern]

why did u messgae me recently

my mom has that numbr now lmaoo

[prime palm]

No I was just asking

[west egret]

@pulsar mural took all of them

[hoary fern]

oh okay lmao

he sure is

[prime palm]

I'm mid

I'm trash

[hoary fern]

im not cracked so im spooked

[prime palm]

Bronwtf

Ur fine

Trust

[hoary fern]

u say that now but who knows we shall seee

[prime palm]

Can always go to fruit company

They're goated ngl

[hoary fern]

which fruit, apple?

they got 6 rounds and mostly scary technical interviews i wont survive

[prime palm]

Amazon!

They're goated

~200k for new grads

Probably most stable big N atp

[hoary fern]

u knwo for as much as amazon hires ive never once gotten a response back from them

not even oa

maybe this yr will be it lol

[prime palm]

Hopefully u do

[crystal steppe]

They stopped hiring like crazy

[prime palm]

Yeah but no rescinds

Only delays

[hoary fern]

im convinced theyre sexist bc they only have 1 girl for 20 guys

[prime palm]

LMFAO

[hoary fern]

i need to change my resume to put a mans name to get them to notice me smh

[west egret]

delays to internationals are basically rescinds though aren't they?

[pulsar mural]

yo

[hoary fern]

hulloo

[prime palm]

Idk how it works for intls so : (

[crystal steppe]

Nah that's because there are more male applicants, actually if you're female they give you more priority. Same as if you're any ethnicity other than Asian

[hoary fern]

being asian cancels out female sadge

[obsidian crater]

[fossil jewel]

yo

[dusky tapir]

guys what is yakhuna

[prisma flax]

Anyone interviewed with IBM?

[hollow forge]

has anyone here done the bny mellon SETUP karat interview? what should i expect?

[narrow harbor]

source?

[verbal ore]

She yik on my yak until I yakhuna

[crystal steppe]

There are many statistics where college admission put higher standards for Asian Americans especially for SATs.

[obsidian crater]

that's literally true

[verbal ore]

UC system

[crystal steppe]

The whole purpose of the surveys at the end of job applications are to favor those who are less represented in society and who are more marginalized. Hence if you're female, have a disability or a veteran your chances are actually higher than an Asian male.

It's based to give a chance for people who are less represented, and no it won't hurt your chances, since they're are not allowed to discriminate you because of your disability.

[obsidian crater]

So I just put nothing

[mossy fiber]

how do you guys usually answer the survey?

[crystal steppe]

Yeah maybe there are some instances where they may discriminate against certain type of people...but as long as your resume and background is strong, I don't see how it will affect your candidacy. For example, I would rather choose someone from a less educated and more impoverished background than someone who was born wealthy and comes from a family of means if they both have the same resumes.

However, I heard somewhere (don't quote me on this) where companies now have a quota to respect where they have to hire a certain number of females engineers to balance out the workspace..even if there are more applicants.

I give credits to extremis wokeism

[timber rock]

the hiring manager doesnt see your responses, it's only used by hr for monitoring

[hoary fern]

i havent rly seen this but it does feel like the “better” companies to work at have more even gender ratio

[hoary fern]

they arent suppose to but ive always seen ppl recc against putting adhd or autism or whatever on job apps

[fallen fox]

i mean employers can reject you whenever without a reason

it's up to you to prove that you were discriminated against

[bold pier]

stop asian hate

[obsidian crater]

bruh

I applied to JP Morgan and they rejected me in one day

I am convinced that job posting was just fake or some shit lol because there's no way

[prisma flax]

I applied to fidelity and they sent a email saying their cancelled the posting in 1 day

[obsidian crater]

oof

what is going on lol

[distant rampart]

r u international

they dont sponsor for entry level / new grad

[obsidian crater]

oof

[prisma flax]

yea jp morgan sponsors around 2-3 level and walmart, capital one

these companies all sponsors for sde-2,3 etc

[obsidian crater]

🪢

[distant rampart]

yeah i'm intl and got instant rejected for new grad but got an offer for sde2 role so u might want to apply for another role

[obsidian crater]

Wouldn't I need like 3 years of experience

[bold pier]

My friend got sponsorship after internship conversion at Walmart

[distant rampart]

i dont think it's a requirement.. i didnt have 3 yrs of exp

walmart and capital one both sponsors for DS role

[obsidian crater]

DS?

[tacit grove]

really? i don't think so

[obsidian crater]

data science?

[prisma flax]

yea, their hire 0 yoe for swe2 for bachelors and swe3 for masters

[obsidian crater]

[bold pier]

[obsidian crater]

time to apply I guess

[bold pier]

brb gonna spam JP Morgan and Walmart

[obsidian crater]

Let me get JP you can have walmart

[prisma flax]

they got some weird system, same for capital one

[obsidian crater]

[prisma flax]

my friends got walmart swe3 with master's and 0 yoe

[bold pier]

deal

[obsidian crater]

giving you the less stressful job homie

I heard these banks make you grind

[bold pier]

All jobs are stress

[bold pier]

except for PM at Meta

[distant rampart]

nope jp morgan

[obsidian crater]

Gonna have to disagree with all jobs are stress

I am a professional bed layer

[bold pier]

Which one

[obsidian crater]

flat sheet

my brain is smooth

[bold pier]

nice

I feel like a throw blanket these days

[obsidian crater]

I guess they ask system design for SDE 2? @distant rampart

[distant rampart]

i heard it depends on the team but i got asked some design problem (not system design but a question similar to LRU cache problem)

[obsidian crater]

I see

LRU cache is one of those questions I think I should just know

[distant rampart]

jpmc is still hiring for sde 2 roles so u should def check them out 🙂

[obsidian crater]

already applied

Hope I don't get fail the OA/interviews if I get one

I heard they're hard, though not Quant hard.

[distant rampart]

i dont think they are hard compared to other companies.. good luck!

[obsidian crater]

haha thanks

I lose 50 IQ points in an interview under stress so you never know

[distant rampart]

i even get nervous and dumb during recruiter phone calls lol

[obsidian crater]

same

Did you have a master's or just bs?

[distant rampart]

masters and 1.5 yr of intern exp

[obsidian crater]

ah rip

I only have an undergrad

[vast stone]

I did it! my problems were both graph problems dfs/bfs

got my offer today, super hyped

keep up the grind brodies

[torn timber]

Has anyone done BNY mellon superday that

Does bny Mellon take opt

[agile niche]

Hi anyone applying to coinbase APM?

[upper wedge]

New grad / intern conversion TC for first year is $119k base, $10k bonus + additional $ for relocation

Stock is $40k over 4 years (0 first year, 50% second year, 25% last 2 years)

And there is an additional $10k bonus for 2nd yr

So $129k + relocation 1st year, $149k 2nd yr

[lime moth]

Is it better to negotiate salary over email or phone? I’ve never spoken to my recruiter, but they emailed me offer with their phone and email, not sure which I should contact

[worthy aspen]

does anyone have any tips/advice for finding jobs that only seek 1+yoe?

and for positions that are based out of state, do you guys put your own state in the resume or the out of state the job is based out of? I once heard a recruiter say that they reject folks who are not located where the job is based

[fallen fox]

i mean most applications ask for your address anyway

[worthy aspen]

yeah thats where i found that advice counterintuitive

[fallen fox]

even if you lie; it will show up on a background check

[worthy aspen]

i'd assume for most jobs in tech, companies are open to hiring across the state, right?

i mean assuming candidates are open to relocating

[fallen fox]

depends; but a lot of companies do prefer local candidates

it does help immensely if you live near the area the job is posted

for smaller - mid sized companies

[worthy aspen]

so if im based out of NY, I should mostly be looking for tri-state/east coast jobs?

[fallen fox]

i'm currently in NJ and that's what i've been doing

[worthy aspen]

do you apply for jobs that are in boston or MA?

[fallen fox]

i primarily apply to jobs in the NYC metro area and then everywhere else

most interviews i get are from companies based around me or remote

i wouldn't just restrict myself to just the northeast though

[worthy aspen]

how many yoe do you have btw?

[fallen fox]

0

graduated last december with two internships

so like 1 year if you count internship exp or 0 for full-time

[worthy aspen]

i mean atleast you're getting interviews, I havent gotten any other than like 3 OAs I flunked. I have about a year of exp. I wonder what i could be doing wrong

[fallen fox]

[worthy aspen]

i guess I should do like 60% nyc metro area, 20% as far as boston, CT, PA, and the rest 20% across the country

[fossil jewel]

cute cat

[fallen fox]

i got like 2 interviews in the past 2 months and that's it

[fallen fox]

my cat 💟

[fossil jewel]

give pets

[tardy geode]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-stretch-cute-meow-gif-26488242

[fossil jewel]

bruh they’ve been in there for a few days i think

[west egret]

Prob forgot they’re muted on a channel

[timber rock]

he's busy leetcoding leave him alone

[livid yew]

At some point there is diminishing returns on LeetCode

[teal jackal]

^

Honestly I stopped studying LC seriously because I feel like I can wing 2/3rd of all problems.

I guess I'll learn the last 1/3rd the hard way

[livid yew]

Oh I mean I can wing maybe a 1/3 lol

But eventually high TC isn't worth my time

[teal jackal]

That 2/3rd has probably dropped since I'm rusty

I need to keep studying

[teal jackal]

honestly 200k cash TC a year(from a stable company that is unlikely to lay off), home ownership, and having my dream car in my home's driveway = i no longer care about trying in life anymore

a pipe dream lawl

[livid yew]

Home ownership on 200k TC is rough

I want 200 base

[west egret]

Imagine saying this to ppl in professions making less than half that 💀

[livid yew]

Well most of those people don't live in bougie bay area

So many Desi men there as well

[livid yew]

I used to make 65k TC

[west egret]

I used to make 0k TC

[west egret]

I thought you were in Philly btw?

[livid yew]

Ya but most people here are in California

Lol

[west egret]

hmm most are prob aiming for Cali

Idk if most are actually in Cali rn

[livid yew]

Ehh tbh it's not worth the move, COL, not enough variety of people

[teal jackal]

Yeah I mean 200k base + annual bonus

tangible cash

stock grants don't count

200k TC home ownership is completely doable if you don't live in NYC, Bay area, or Seattle

[livid yew]

My current bonus is like 3k

[tardy geode]

made a new record for fastest rejection email speedrun , 1 hour 15 mins

[fallen fox]

weak

my fastest was cisco reject in 4 minutes

[teal jackal]

This is under the assumption that home prices in other metro areas don't skyrocket

[autumn iris]

mine was auto reject as i sent in the application

[livid yew]

[tardy geode]

i am excluding auto rejects

[fallen fox]

your username

[jovial latch]

Charles Schwab can burn in hell

Fuck this shit

Fuck them all

Fuckin string me along for 2 months and then be like 'nah we don't have any opportunities '

Well that's it then I'm fucked

I'm gonna commit murder at this point I swear to God

[static quarry]

so many companies reaching head count

[gloomy rock]

anyone taken the wise hackerrank and heard back

[meager terrace]

aint no fucking way

[meager terrace]

in game

[obsidian crater]

Ramp sucks

does it not

I'm sick of all these different companies and their different hiring processes lol

Almost everyone uses leetcode and then some people want you to write SQL too and then other companies pull CTF BS lol

Gotta know so much these days

[jaunty storm]

Over 1000.

I’ll probably keep applying until January of 2024. I started the full time hunt in September of 2022.

Even with some potential opportunities, I’m not stopping until I’m in the office.

Im closing in on 500 LC and 3 internships.

Maybe 4 if the scenario plays out.

[prime palm]

Holyyyyyy shit man. When I saw you posted your CS final was in May I was like, no way in hell

[grizzled bronze]

I like that actually, just gotta find the one with a hiring process you like

[prime palm]

They aren't

[grizzled bronze]

That sucks, but it's common in the current market. I expect my Veeva interview to be cancelled next month.

[jaunty storm]

I still couldn’t get their CTF.

[grizzled bronze]

They still might have something open up, but don't count on it

[prime palm]

Oh, to be fair mobile is mobile, I thought you meant for backend / frontend swe, it's not crazy language specific there

[jaunty storm]

Will ng apps even open this summer?

[prime palm]

^ yea for 2024

[jaunty storm]

I’ll be ready. I got almost 500 LC done.

[crystal steppe]

Are 2023 grads eligible lol?

[jaunty storm]

I delayed graduation by 1 semester to get in on 2024.

[prime palm]

Yeah

July August 2023, ng apps will open to start in 2024

[prime palm]

You signed Amex already tho

[jaunty storm]

They haven’t sent the contract yet. After getting an offer rescinded for being black that one time, I don’t take chances.

I won’t believe it until I’m there.

I’m still interviewing with a number of companies and I’m not taking chances.

[prime palm]

💯

[crystal steppe]

Tbf you are considered ng up to 1 year after graduation

[obsidian crater]

wtf

you got rescinded for being black

?!

[jaunty storm]

Constant applying to jobs for 7 years only to end up in a sweatshop with 3 science degrees and having to work minimum wage was not it.

[pure mauve]

Lmfao companies making the most bs reasons for rescinding offers these days

[jaunty storm]

It was a while ago. The CEO personally cancelled my offer.

I could’ve been their first black employee.

[obsidian crater]

oml

[jaunty storm]

That’s why I finish in July.

AmEx would not do that. This was my old career at a private consulting firm.

[obsidian crater]

bruh

Isn't that illegal

[pure mauve]

lol you’d be surprised

[jaunty storm]

They said, “you’re hired, you will start in March of 2019. We’ll send you an offer letter to sign.”

Then classmate who was working there explained why they 180’d me. Boss didn’t like me. I didn’t fit his image.

That was just one company. Thankfully nothing like that happened.

This wasn’t even in tech.

[prisma flax]

than it's better not working for such a shit company

[jaunty storm]

Never reapplied. I don’t want to work somewhere where they lie about job offers.

This was close to West Palm Beach.

[prisma flax]

trash that company

[mint ember]

Has anyone interviewed for Goldman sachs superday?

recently

[stable bear]

What role?

[prisma flax]

is jpm open days any good?

[mint ember]

Software engineering

[young peak]

Morning losers

[delicate sigil]

Has anyone given coding interview for SoFi?

[obsidian crater]

Morning Yo Gee

[young peak]

Sup bud

How's touching grass

[obsidian crater]

It's gross I wanna go back inside

[fallen fox]

sofi mass rejecting everyone rn

[delicate sigil]

🙄

Just now i got an interview for coding round

[obsidian crater]

Sofi just ghosts me

They don't send rejection or OA

Just nothing

dumbass company I hope they go under

[grizzled bronze]

All their new grad roles are removed, so they probably identified all their candidates by now

[grizzled bronze]

You're still good

[delicate sigil]

Thanks mate

[livid yew]

Stop this

SoFi my main bank

[obsidian crater]

NeetCode is the whitest Indian guy I ever heard

[livid yew]

Nah he ain't brown

[obsidian crater]

Real post tho

[ashen musk]

what role?

[tacit grove]

wait neetcode is Indian?

[obsidian crater]

apparently

[tacit grove]

oh wow I wouldn't have been able to guess

[tardy geode]

grass is dry

[tardy geode]

yea , like american indian

Ramp's application should have a button called apply to get rejected

they been spamming postings and rejecting/ghosting people

smh

[tacit grove]

grass is dry 😂

[tardy geode]

like dry as this market

[delicate sigil]

SWE ng

[tardy geode]

holy trinity of uni's ?

[ornate oxide]

Friends, when will the 2024 NG apply start?

[pure mauve]

never

[lunar hatch]

Everyone will be in general hiring

😢

[obsidian crater]

Gonna apply to HFT NG for 2024 and get in

[young peak]

Ofcourse he is lmao

Have y'all never seen his vlogs

Dude has shit post vids where he just fucks around the office when it's empty

[pallid sapphire]

yes

how do you guys stay motivated after a reject😔

[prisma flax]

what's his yt channel?

[neon tide]

bruh

[tardy geode]

it got wrapped up in 2022 already

[jovial latch]

has sofi given out oas for their money and bank posting or am i just waitingto get r ejected

[tardy geode]

rent and utilities bill

[tardy geode]

even my mom got OA

but i did not

[ornate oxide]

Oh, so 2022 grads is also 2024 NG?

[tardy geode]

[tardy geode]

i was kidding , around july ng 2024 might start

[ornate oxide]

😂lol I almost took it seriously

hahah never mind

[tardy geode]

[obsidian crater]

sorry bud

all tech companies are going under in 2023

no jobs except janitor

[tardy geode]

recruiters also have the same reaction to 2023 new grads

[ornate oxide]

I see thank bud

[obsidian crater]

it's over

[tardy geode]

gotta apply for 2023 janitor new grad role

oh wait

its full already

[obsidian crater]

yes

[pallid sapphire]

just messaged a recruiter on linkedin with a copied message and forgot to change the name and name of company. Oh good lord

[crystal steppe]

Nah same

[urban gulch]

there are tons of ppl unemployed rn unfortunately

[crystal steppe]

You have good experience?

[urban gulch]

Oh icic

Damn hope u get something soon

[teal jackal]

shit ton of unemployed mfs out there rn

[crystal steppe]

Lool wth just take better than to stay unemployed

Yeah or hft

[oblique wasp]

whats the meaning of this invalid date? Is everyone else also seeing this in their USCIS account?

[grizzled bronze]

Nice!

[valid bramble]

Just checked. Mine is showing invalid date too..

[tacit grove]

What do you usually say during an initial recruiter call when they ask for the tc/compensation band you are looking for? @young peak any advise?

[young peak]

I say that I'm flexible

Just agree to whatever range they suggest in the initial call

[tacit grove]

Okay. Thanks!

[worthy aspen]

prolly a glitch in their system. I see the same thing as well, probably not much to worry about

[grizzled bronze]

Anyone know Honeywell New grad pay?

You got new grad offer from them? What was their process?

Oh thanks!

I had it in my bookmarks, guess I'll apply

[livid yew]

@grizzled bronze

[vague furnace]

has anyone interviewed with Ramp before? I think i remember them having new grad roles for front-end/back-end. They just opened up their mobile new grad positions so im curious about what their process is like

[obsidian crater]

Just submitted my flags today

[tacit grove]

did you check levelsfyi?

[brave forge]

so dec 2023 postings are here now

android jobs are so annoying i need to build an android app just so i can apply to these places

[magic acorn]

I am doing a course project, and this the survey link to get reponses. It would really great if you guys could fill this form

https://docs.google.com/forms/u/2/d/1waIfvffnslvQ6JBKyDZKi_a03FTj6DQL_1b3VQ6a8ug/edit?usp=forms_home&ths=true

[static quarry]

Rejected after passing 30 min behavioral -> 75 min live coding interview -> 75 min live debugging interview -> 30 min behavioral

job market is so bad

[obsidian crater]

[crystal steppe]

Which one?

[static quarry]

Tegus

[oblique wasp]

which company

[brave forge]

ramp

[serene nymph]

lol

fuk android

[crystal steppe]

Don't try it mate, already did built an app in Kotlin and interned as an iOS developper (Swift) and didn't even get a call back. Market is rough

[steep sundial]

https://www.aptos.com/jobs?gh_jid=4970490&utm_source=Otta

[tacit grove]

Does Atlassian sponsor? I forget

[stone latch]

They dont

[tardy geode]

does stubhub sponsor

?

i got rejected in like 15 mins wtf

[obsidian crater]

https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=stubhub+inc&job=&city=&year=2022

🤷‍♂️

looks like they do

[tacit grove]

it's prob because of sponsorship then...experienced the same with other companies

[tardy geode]

ffs

i am going all out on tinder from today

gotta up that rizz game

and marry a us chick

fk linkedin and applying to jobs

[serene nymph]

what role?

[tardy geode]

then i would start an onlyfans and become a millionaire

[tardy geode]

SDE 2 Frontend engineer .

[serene nymph]

bro thats one level above new grads

[obsidian crater]

So tired mane

[mossy fiber]

💀 I dont even know what cache penetration is

[fallen fox]

whats that 💀

[tardy geode]

i have experience

like 2 yearish

[tardy geode]

idk about cache penetration but i know the other stuff

😳

[obsidian crater]

I know how to pentest a little

lol

[tardy geode]

i meant cache

[mossy fiber]

💀 what I just learned was basically a hot data expires in your cache at some point of time and a large number of requests come in, and they cant hit the cache, so they penetrate the cache to your DB

[tardy geode]

"hot data"

what specifically makes it hot

[mossy fiber]

💀 yeah, thats what gpt told me

[tardy geode]

💀

[fallen fox]

you had gpt pulled up during the interview? 💀

[tardy geode]

bro i feel these openAI peeps have tuned gpt to give weird or inaccurate answers like not even close to accurate

so that people buy their subscription thing

[mossy fiber]

nah, after the interview

[tardy geode]

coz that pro version gives an accurate answer

[tardy geode]

who doesn't 💀

@fallen fox

[fallen fox]

i feel like interviews can tell

[mossy fiber]

💀 makes sense

[fallen fox]

like your eyes wandering to the side

💀

[tardy geode]

i don't think so unless you make it darn obvious

[mossy fiber]

I think they dont care

[tardy geode]

like what i do is i make sticky notes translucent

so it looks like i am seeing in the camera and telling

[mossy fiber]

Sofi's interview tips website said "get your notes ready"

💀

[tardy geode]

i have friends who make like 2-3 people sit with them in interviews

[fallen fox]

[tardy geode]

💀

wtf super reaction

ffs

[fossil jewel]

u get 5 a week

i think

[grizzled bronze]

I have them all ready in ChatGPT

[mossy fiber]

that's what I did

[bold pier]

Hail chatGPT, I just made a 8 slide presentation for some obscure finance topic in 20 mins

[grizzled bronze]

That makes sense though, like imagine being able to leave the react and then once the message disappears you unreact and keep recycling it for another message

[tardy geode]

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