2023_grads

[livid yew]

Person Vue, I think we have a couple Testing centers near me

[swift falcon]

we looked at his linkedin profile and he 100% copy and pasted a huge tech stack he knew nothing about, and he had 0 mention of our company on his background and instead was some weird consultant company

it was surreal

he was an immigrant, and while I 100% don't want ot be a jackass abt it, I am pretty sure it was some made up shell company to make everyone look good

because I worked closely with the guy

lol look slike he made it tho

says he's senior dev ops

[livid yew]

Wtf is Code commit and code build

[swift falcon]

he has a completely fabricated work history which is just wild

[grizzled bronze]

One is for committing and the other is for building

[livid yew]

Code build sounds cool

[jaunty storm]

Are people really faking their job applications?

[swift falcon]

no but like why would he have a completely different company listed for the time he worked at my company though lol

[livid yew]

I try to over interact with co workers

Only go and rust? That's like only 2 languages lol

I wish my team only used 2. We have like 8 different in a single repo

Java

Love Java

[swift falcon]

like i'm looking at an old job entry right before my company and it says he did a ton of stuff, which if he had made it known at my company would have immediatly gotten him into a ton of more responsibilty

[livid yew]

give java

I get a ticket, and I just use whatever I want pretty much

[swift falcon]

and likely paid better and respected more than he was

[livid yew]

Yep it does

This current project I used Python, Bash, Go, JS

Last sprint I did a lot of Kotlin and Python work

Sprint before was all Node

[swift falcon]

so what I think actually happened, is that he just copied and pasted a bunch of shit from other positions into these fake job entries to make him look legit, he got the aws solutions architect cert and some other linux and got into dev ops

[livid yew]

I don't know much Kotlin

[obsidian crater]

I've used Scala

[livid yew]

So I just learned it in like 3 days

[obsidian crater]

It's a nice language, should be used more

[livid yew]

Basically just asked ChatGPT about Kotlin syntax

[swift falcon]

I'm just going to make an entry on my job profile that I worked at Microsoft for the last 5 years and call it a day

[obsidian crater]

lmao

You like Go that much?

Why not use C++?

ah

[night marsh]

Go is based

[fossil jewel]

can take at home

but they warn you if you act sus

[night marsh]

Simple to pick up and can build complex things really quickly

[fossil jewel]

like talk to yourself

[obsidian crater]

Go is pretty cool

I just don't like the syntax

[delicate lantern]

should I put I know AWS and GCP on my resume even if I haven't used it much

[obsidian crater]

Like err != nil stuff

What part of Rust is copium?

[grizzled bronze]

Genius! Fake it until you make it!

[swift falcon]

literally, except I was a bit salty abt it, he was a jackass

[obsidian crater]

Interesting

[fossil jewel]

:=

so annoying

but otherwise go is quite nifty

and fast

[obsidian crater]

JavaScript is rope

[fossil jewel]

i dont wanna deal with c++, undergrad was enough

i'll do it if i care enough about the team/product but im not gonna actively seek c++ type stuff

i would like to learn more go tbh

[obsidian crater]

I want to become a C++ dev because I like embedded + performance stuff

But it's pretty hard

[fossil jewel]

sounds like hft type shit lmaoo

[obsidian crater]

Kind of?

My last internship was at a medical(ish) company

We built some electrophysiology stuff

[fossil jewel]

half my degree was EE, embedded is cool but electricity is wild

i think schools dont teach c++ right, they teach older versions of c++

its a rabbithole of a language imo

as is any paradigm

[obsidian crater]

That's a depressing statistic lol

[cloud zinc]

fucked up my wise OA because I was trying to get axios to return data from inside of a promise

[obsidian crater]

I want to get into systems / HFT stuff

[fossil jewel]

yeah embedded is actually cool, for robotics projects and what not i had a lot of fun with it

[obsidian crater]

Also I like robotics

[prisma flax]

Go is for performance oriented right

[fossil jewel]

tho i used a mix of py and c++. py for algo and connecting to servers on rpi and sending that through serial to arduino

[cloud zinc]

literally spent the entire assessment trying to return an array of data inside a "then()" function from axios, since HackerRank STILL doesn't support fetch. Wasted so much time that I had to half-ass the remaining problems

man why can't HackerRank get with the times already

[livid yew]

Rather do in person

[fossil jewel]

yeah thats what i did too lol

[outer radish]

anyone know how to get an apple recruiter to notice u

or a microsoft recruiter

[obsidian crater]

Go is pretty cool I agree

[fossil jewel]

bc i dont want them to see my room or install software on my comp

[obsidian crater]

Especially since Kubernetes is written in Go

[fossil jewel]

i agree tbh

[obsidian crater]

typescript?

[fossil jewel]

i sometimes looked at java code and was like huh

[obsidian crater]

ok you have a good point there

[fossil jewel]

javascript is not my forte, never looked at TS

[obsidian crater]

I think some C is even more unreadable

[fossil jewel]

C better than C++

[obsidian crater]

At my old startup internship I've seen some shit code

[prisma flax]

Java is way better than js, also kotlin also looks shit

[fossil jewel]

yeah java is fine if you understand the dependencies or how stuff links up

[fossil jewel]

its easy to write terrible C code tbh

and malloc has some messy syntax

[obsidian crater]

These guys weren't CS grads, they were physics

So they wrote non idiomatic stuff

[fossil jewel]

physics majors are type cracked

[obsidian crater]

Like x = true; while (x == true) instead of while(true)

For an infinite loop

[fossil jewel]

i hear physics is a good major for quant type stuff

bc they can model math pretty well

[obsidian crater]

I disagree

You can, but it feels like the harder route

I think Stats/CS or Math is way better

[fossil jewel]

like highkey CS doesnt have enough math

[obsidian crater]

Idk where you studied

[fossil jewel]

i did engineering so i took my math, but cs majors at my school take up to calc 3 and linear

[obsidian crater]

I had to take upto Calc 2, Stats, Linear Algebra, Discrete math

[fossil jewel]

yeah discrete is for all

[livid yew]

I do a lot of JS

Like node is 80% of my job

[fossil jewel]

yeah thats not enough imo

esp stuff for advanced ML (actually making algos and modeling)

[livid yew]

That's more math then I did

[obsidian crater]

Not enough for what

You don't really need more math than that ever at most jobs

[fossil jewel]

for swe, its perfectly fine

[obsidian crater]

Only specializations need more

[fossil jewel]

talking about algo dev and whatnot

[obsidian crater]

I'm currently taking ML and I'm fine with those math classes

[livid yew]

https://tenor.com/view/oreo-cookie-dipped-dip-milk-gif-17735149

[raw echo]

Depends on what type of ml…

[obsidian crater]

Sure I can't come up with my own ML stuff

But I'm not expected to as an undergrad

[fossil jewel]

ye that i agree with

[obsidian crater]

Master's or PhD?

bet

[fossil jewel]

i think some folks expect to be doing revolutionary AI stuff with just a BS

[obsidian crater]

I mean you can

Just be George Hotz 4head

[raw echo]

I feel like y’all over indexing on math

[obsidian crater]

I like math don't get me wrong

[raw echo]

Math is important but research is orders of importance more important, taking graph theory isn’t gonna help for ai research

[obsidian crater]

^

[fossil jewel]

ehhhh, depends on the AI itself

[obsidian crater]

I think the math used for deriving SVM is pretty complicated

[raw echo]

Unless ur doing some areas of certified robustness I have not seen any insane math

Isn’t svm just linear algebra

[obsidian crater]

My prof mentioned some lagrangian stuff

[cloud ridge]

You have to do the dual

But it's not really that bad tbh

[obsidian crater]

I think even the NodeJS inventor said Go is better

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15767713

[jaunty storm]

@manic kelp could you critique my resume?

@lunar sonnet

I'm just struggling to find a path.

[drifting talon]

the first round alone has 3 interviews??

[prisma flax]

well if nodejs is so complicated to scale why even use ?

I get it what you mean

yea but the foundation of the company also matters and what their objective these things come into play for what tech needs to be used

lol that's insane tho

[chilly burrow]

That is not what he said...

[obsidian crater]

In the sense of massive scalable servers yeah

Not better in every single case

[chilly burrow]

Yeah

I feel like a lot of people misunderstand Node

Node is not the best solution to any problem

But imo it is one of the fastest to make an MVP in

[obsidian crater]

agree

[chilly burrow]

And if you r a startup that needs to iterate quickly then it's a good path forward

Also the benefit of having a single language across your code base is huge imo

You can have similar tooling and ci/cd processes, and cross-functional devs

I prefer Golang myself tho tbh

But for side projects I often will just go with Node.js/Next.js becuz it's an easy solution for a full stack application

[obsidian crater]

indeed

[tardy geode]

this might be offtopic here

but i sent a message via facebook messenger and deleted it for everyone after 30 mins

so will the recipient be able to see the deleted message or not ?

[sleek owl]

if they didnt already see it from the notification, they won't be able to see it

but they will see that you removed it i think

[tardy geode]

they didn't see it

[tawdry fractal]

Hello!

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[timber rock]

final 24 hours of uni today 😩

cannot wait to become a wagie

[teal jackal]

Node is frustrating for me

I think the node runtime environment is just hideous

I know that node is designed to be a server-side type of thing but it's still fugly as fuck to work with

hell doing shit in node just leads to tech debt down the line

fuck node

[teal jackal]

so true

[fallen fox]

linkedin jobs is trash

every single entry level role is 3+ years

of exp

[torn stone]

Anyone here interviewed with cruise for a fullstack engineer role

[timber rock]

when i'm applying for new grad roles with a september start date and i accepted an internship offer for summer shld i put it on my resume even tho ive not started
if the start date doesnt clash with it

like incoming swe intern blah blah

[swift falcon]

@lunar sonnet bro do you specifically reccomend doing the Solutions Architect over AWS developer or is it basically whatever floats my boat, just get comfortable with AWS?

[late kestrel]

unless you really need to fill the space probably not

[timber rock]

yeah thats what i thought but i have no previous internships and didnt know if it would give me a boost

[lunar hatch]

idt incoming work would give you an edge over others, except in hft where incoming work is from a top-tier trading firm

[crimson stump]

Did any of you guys give sig assessment?

[lunar hatch]

yes a few months ago

and rejected after 100%

[crimson stump]

Damn that's rough

What kind of questions do they ask? Is the a database of old interview questions?

[lunar hatch]

they resume screen after oa

idk

very ez tbh

[crimson stump]

Lol makes sense why l got the OA while others just reject in the beginning itself

[foggy vortex]

more interest rates T_T

[sleek owl]

Anyone heard back after 2k take home assessment?

[obsidian crater]

SIG OA was pretty easy

But they ghost

[crimson stump]

Damn I'm starting to lose hope getting a full time job 😔

[jaunty storm]

I lost hope once. Now I’m scheduled to visit a psych ward this week.

The gap in skill from college and new grad is very wide.

[crimson stump]

Ikr. The struggle is real.

[jaunty storm]

If I knew I’d struggle this much, I would’ve gave up. My hobby of coding just won’t cut it.

[obsidian crater]

I blame colleges really

They teach people theory and academics which most people don't need or care for

[jaunty storm]

Yeah. My mental health has been slowly declining and trying to keep my pace is a lot to handle.

[obsidian crater]

same lol

I can't be arsed to do homework

[jaunty storm]

I almost lost to my depression.

I was told that I was clinically depressed. At risk for self-harm and stuff. I had to carry that for an entire undergrad.

I’m trying to be strong for my friends. Some of them need me.

[crimson stump]

Damn bro take it light. Be patient good things take time 🤘

[swift falcon]

I got phone screen in 35 minutes

[tardy geode]

i am in the same boat

still at it

[obsidian crater]

internationals kinda fucked

I might have an internship to ride me out for the summer

[fallen fox]

im working a shitty it job

makes me wanna rope myself

managed to demote a cs degree to it

maybe i should really kms

cant get even get swe interviews

[obsidian crater]

I mean

The market will correct itself and rebound eventually

So as long as you can ride out the next year or so you should be fine

Being cracked is kind of a cope tbh

The only thing someone can really do is get good at leetcode and get certs or learn new things

But if nobody's hiring you're still gonna be stuck in your shitty job

Idk you act like being depressed is a choice

It's a natural response to a shitty situation

you right

[jaunty storm]

I’ve been here before. This isn’t my first recession applying to new grad.

Last time I didn’t make it. I failed and switched careers.

[timber rock]

We're all gonna make it bros

It just takes one

[jaunty storm]

Doing this since 2018.

The difference is that I’m not so willing to give up.

[obsidian crater]

If you can afford it

[timber rock]

it's better than nothing

that's what i did, got a masters offer as a backup

[fallen fox]

where do you find startup jobs?

angellist?

[timber rock]

i mostly used linkedin

and found a few cool smaller companies at careers fair

[fallen fox]

thanks

[obsidian crater]

If you're a citizen

Shouldn't be too hard to get a job

RIP, Grokking Github got DMCA'd

[chilly burrow]

https://github.com/Chanda-Abdul/Several-Coding-Patterns-for-Solving-Data-Structures-and-Algorithms-Problems-during-Interviews

[obsidian crater]

thanks

[polar quail]

@static quarry how did spacex 2nd round go?

[static quarry]

Ehhhh not so good. The question was confusing because i thought i had to make working code but he wanted more pseudocode

so i spent the first half of it making structs in C++ and trying other stuff when he wanted that stuff to be abstracted away from me

i got one part of the question right and mostly right on the other but i dont think i did enough to move on

[polar quail]

oof, ngl they prob won't move ya on.

[swift falcon]

holy shit that was the rudest interviewer I've ever encountered

cutting me off

sighing

saying 'eh'

like bro if you don't want to interview me we can just cut this short ffs

what a jackass

[obsidian crater]

jesus what

name and shame

[swift falcon]

im about to withdraw my application

[swift falcon]

as much as I want to idk if that's the greatest idea

even on linkedin

[obsidian crater]

it's fine here though?

[swift falcon]

eh not really

[obsidian crater]

your call I guess

[bold pier]

reminds me of my bloomberg interviewer

[swift falcon]

what was that like?

[bold pier]

Was my interviewer for last onsite round, acted the same as you described
I solved 1 hard and he gave me another, wouldn't answer any follow ups, 0 feedback
I was taking the correct approach to solve the questions and he told me I am wrong

[swift falcon]

jeez

[swift falcon]

i guess no offer out of that?

[bold pier]

nope

[swift falcon]

this guy asked my current salary, if I was interviewing at other places and how far along, and then also was like "why don't you have any opportunities at your current job" like wtf

out of the 5-6 other phone screens I've had - no one has ever asked those questions

he was like "what do you like"

like wtf kind of questions are these

[obsidian crater]

I heard the same thing about bloomberg from my friend

Like the interviewer just didn't give a f

[swift falcon]

this guy was a recruiter btw, not even technical

literally just a phone screen

[bold pier]

I mean my interviewer for other 2 rounds were really great, I was pretty sure I was gonna get the offer before this guy showed up

[swift falcon]

I asked about the product the position was going to be working on and he was like 'bro idk i'm not technical, probably ecommerce or sth"

[obsidian crater]

[swift falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/what-wat-wat-lady-confused-huh-gif-8314795

meirl

[bold pier]

How do people like these get hired even though all these companies clearly check communication and have behavioral rounds

[swift falcon]

I have prided myself on developing long lasting friendships / business relationships
in his bio

[obsidian crater]

[bold pier]

[worthy aspen]

do you consider me to be overqualified, given that in my bachelors, I had a business degree in Info Systems(data analytics, statistics) with 2 years of work experience on campus as an analyst during those years, and straight up went for a CS degree to transition from business?

[obsidian crater]

no

[worthy aspen]

right? Cause for most parts in my masters, I learnt a lot of new things i never even touched in undergrad

like in undergrad obvs i've taken like an algorithms course but it was more of a math class than a data structures class

I'd hope and like to believe im not overqualified for entry level cause i'd love to get some experience in the field

[late kestrel]

were those two years of work while you were still in school?

[worthy aspen]

yeah

i only have on campus experiences-im also a software engineer on campus at the moment for the past year

also ig an fyi would be that im not a citizen

i had internships lined up for me in my junior year but the pandemic killed all the offers

[static quarry]

Yeah ik

vibe was off at the end

If i interviewed again with the same format i would pass easily. Just threw me off with the format

[night marsh]

Yeah I've encountered few rude interviewers, but there are more than I'd expect tbh and it ruins the experience esp for the other good interviewers

ik my last final was like that; the first 2 seemed like great people, the third one kept sighing after each question and sounded so annoyed the entire time.

Deadass at the beginning of the interview he went "what's your name?" I said my name, then he sighed

Sorry to hear about your experience @swift falcon , I know how you feel

[swift falcon]

that’s terrible

[night marsh]

Is unfortunate indeed, but can't let that guy live rent free in my head

just sucks that (as analogous to real life as can be), you can do p much everything right and still lose out if you get an interviewer who was in a bad mood or had a bad personality

[gilded swan]

Same thing happened to me 3rd guy was an asshole for a Microsoft final but that’s all in the past now (still get pissed lol)

[night marsh]

Yeah, the experiences from few years ago can be annoying

(It doesn't bother me as much) but I still remember the experience where I was in the final round of a company and my interviewer was sharing his screen while I was talking. Man straight up flipped through rejection slides when I was explaining my thought process and it made me lose my balance

Everyone else before that was alright though and my recruiter was encouraging

[pine topaz]

bruhh wtfff

[brave forge]

idk if it is a thing with microsoft but i have heard a lot of people say the guys at microsoft can be really bad

[prisma flax]

Got a reject from 2k but expected I blowed their hacker-rank

[swift falcon]

yikes

[prisma flax]

lol that's shitting

going in for l5 ?

[obsidian crater]

lmao

some interviewers do be assholes

[prisma flax]

I would do that for some of them as well if I get a chance

[night marsh]

Damn that's petty asf

Fwiw in most organizations platform engineers are highly knowledgeable in the tech sphere

your interviewers sound like ignorant idiots; L5 in amazon, L10 in douchebaggery

[shut thistle]

are 2023 grads gonna apply to 2024 as well 😦

[rain patio]

Does anyone know what the H1-B chances for 2023 (with Masters quota) are? I see many different numbers being posted, wanted to know so that I can decide whether I should apply for grad schools or not

[static quarry]

Yes

[jovial latch]

well i started drinking so there goes my fuckin mental state

theres no end

[shut thistle]

donttt @jovial latch

[jovial latch]

eh, i have too much self preservation to destroy myself apparently

im doing pretty good in my classes so im at least gonna graduate

[night marsh]

Yep

[mossy fiber]

when will 24 ng start, like June?

[night marsh]

Most likely

[rain thicket]

Around 10-12%

I lost 2 attempts without picking up in lottery

Anyone's having Google interview soon? For SDE?

[fallen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/flirt-youmu-youmu-konpaku-touhou-project-shrine-maiden-gif-18971967

[prisma flax]

for backend?

[tardy geode]

yeah , coz many 2023 grads are without offers

[neon perch]

Yes, we’re all gonna fight for those limited spots

[solid sonnet]

Does anyone know what happenss if your company files for Green card but your STEM opt expires during the process?

[fallen fox]

you can stay in the US

but you cannot work

[timber rock]

pretty sure you can stay but cant work

yeah

that

[solid sonnet]

Does it matter what process you are in? (PERM, I-485 etc)

[fallen fox]

not sure, i think you should probably consult a legal expert

or a better online source

[timber rock]

you can deifnitely stay while i-485 is pending, im not well-versed in the other parts of the process but i'd be surprised if it was different

[south sable]

I got asked where I've been applying by an interviewer at Veeva Toronto

That kind of question just catches you off guard and it should be none of their business

It was just a phone screen too

Sorry to hear that happened to you

but you're not alone

[rain patio]

Wouldn't it be a lot higher considering you also apply with the masters lottery

[solid sonnet]

Thanks! I knew that one can stay while I-485 is pending, but also not so sure about PERM or LC.

[night marsh]

Yeah that was Veeva

[wicked holly]

anyone know what is ask on the nsa hirevue ?

[fallen fox]

💀

[brave forge]

Will I be deployed as a field spy?

[cloud zinc]

if a company is "putting a position on hold", is that considered a rejection or do they keep the applicant pool once the position is no longer on hold?

[grizzled bronze]

What company?

[wicked holly]

yes to china

[grizzled bronze]

Without knowing more, it means they're done hiring unless they reach back to you. Forget the role and keep applying elsewhere.

[brave forge]

“Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to wfh from China and report back on their food 🍲 “

[cloud zinc]

The most recent notice was from DailyPay, but there were several other companies that have sent similar messages

obvs going to move on. But due to the small size of these companies that are holding the position, I am carefully optimistic

[sonic coral]

I took the NGA (not NSA but their process prob similar) hirevue for an internship sophomore year and it was mostly just like questions about why are you interested in intelligence work, what area are you interested in, and then some general star questions iirc

Granted it was an internship so ft might be diff

But I got resume filtered somehow and didn’t make it past hirevue lol

What’s funny is I showed my resume to some NGA recruiter during a presentation at my school and she seemed interested in my resume so beats me as to why i got the reject

[grizzled bronze]

Once Amazon starts hiring again, we'll be good

[split plaza]

anyone heard back from Confluent

[hot raven]

nope

[outer radish]

has anyone here ever worked for microsoft

i swear i can never pass their resume screen and am looking for some pointers if you made it through about what u included

[fallen fox]

i think you can have jane street and hrt on your resume and still get ghosted by microsoft

💀

[paper basalt]

microsoft may not want to hire some super cracked who will leave in 6 months, idk

[prime palm]

Sounds Ike Veeva sustems kekw

[tardy geode]

i am mentally and physically exhausted at this point that i don't feel anything nor i get the motivation to apply and grind

[lone rapids]

Be a girl or career fair

[obsidian crater]

same bro

[grizzled bronze]

Take care, shitty ass market has got to recover some time, our time is gonna come.

[summer hemlock]

I get spammed by government agency to apply, surprised they even reject lol.

[summer hemlock]

I have connections that work at Microsoft, it’s not really difficult. You honestly just need a referral if anything. Most my buddies got in the initial stage (getting interview) through referrals, passing it is well that’s on you lol.

[summer hemlock]

If the position is on hold, I would continue looking at jobs, don’t give that any hopes if anything view that as rejection 💀 imo.

[grizzled bronze]

It's difficult passing the resume screen, referrals are not gonna get people past resume screen (maybe in the past they did, but not anymore)

[summer hemlock]

That’s actual complete cap lol.

Referrals still most definitely help.

[grizzled bronze]

They might, but it's not a guarantee like you're making it seem. It's still difficult to pass the screen. I know someone getting referred by a Principal Manager and still getting rejected.

[chilly burrow]

Tbh not much 4 MSFT. Or AMZN for dat matter.

[grizzled bronze]

Ultimately it's the recruiters for your region who decide if you pass the screen

Microsoft is weird like that

[summer hemlock]

Never said it’s guaranteed, it’s more likely you’ll get someone to actually look at the resume. It doesn’t guarantee you getting an interview unless you actually pass it even with someone viewing it. I made the assumption that if you get interview you already passed the screening. Whether if it’s pushing an interviewer to look at ur resume or naturally passing the screening.

[chilly burrow]

Nah not even for MSFT or AMZN

At least 4 new grad

[summer hemlock]

That depends on who they know I feel at that point.

[chilly burrow]

I know dat it helps get ur resume in front of the eyes of recruiters for some companies

[chilly burrow]

Nah not even

[grizzled bronze]

From what I've gathered it's certain universities in particular that will have an easier time, for most people it won't mean shit getting a referral

[summer hemlock]

You don’t even know what you’re talking about lol. Stop talking like you know everything.

[chilly burrow]

Ok

[grizzled bronze]

Bruh

[summer hemlock]

Quotas? Eh doubt. I do know a lot of UW folks get into AMZN and MS but also that’s because the school has a reputation for their CS program .

[summer hemlock]

Thank you.

[fallen fox]

imo schoo's location also helps a lot

eg a lot of graduates from san jose state uni work at FAANG

[summer hemlock]

Sounds like you rn bud. @wary wave

[summer hemlock]

Location = opportunity also removes relocation benefit company usually have to give out tho with remote work this isn’t mattering as much anymore

Good luck 2023 grads with getting a job in this economy. Don’t kill urself over being joblessness. #staytruebitches

[chilly burrow]

Actually I've heard rumors of some companies having quotas for schools, but obv all just speculation

[crystal delta]

i feel like you get amazon OA guaranteed if you go to UW. idk why microsoft is so difficult to get their attention though.

[dusky lark]

How to have optimism and not give up

[ornate cliff]

Amazon doesn't do referrals for NG

[chilly burrow]

🤷‍♂️

[timber rock]

offer

ya boy graduated from cognizant

https://tenor.com/view/shark-gif-7590652

[fossil jewel]

long process for ya

hope the pay is US level of nice in the UK

[timber rock]

obviously not lmao

but it's a very very good offer for non-us standards

[fossil jewel]

eh consider the benefits we don’t get lol

ik london not cheap, but it’s not usa bad

[timber rock]

yeah

it's a hell of a lot more than cognizant was offering so im pretty happy 😂

[fossil jewel]

hell yeahhhh

from wise tree to wise cat

[west egret]

How intense were the interviews?

[timber rock]

pretty chill honestly. problem solving oa -> behavioural + mental maths round -> hackerrank (1 easy 1 med) -> final technical, not really lc style

all in c++, which is where i really tripped up cause i dont really know it that well. but they said i clearly knew what i wanted to do, and syntax can be learned easily ofc

the interviewers were very relaxed and pretty funny, we had good vibes

[brave forge]

whats your pay

oh ya your the london guy

[timber rock]

no point mentioning it here cause annoying americans are just gonna clown on it, but it's very good

i actually dont know the full tc cause there's a performance bonus which they didnt tell me a range for

[west egret]

Just ask them how much they pay for healthcare

[timber rock]

lol

[fossil jewel]

only uk thing i’ll egg on is the food lmaoo

[west egret]

Make fun of the unnecessarily large gaps in our bathroom stalls too

[chilly burrow]

Mako is a v cool name

Gratz on da offer!

[fossil jewel]

i have fam in the UK i should visit them sometime

[timber rock]

thanks!

[timber rock]

uk food is actually good, it just looks bad cause its all beige lol

our national dish is chicken tikka masala which is actually amazing

its also the only british food with colour

[fossil jewel]

lmaoo

tikka masala is pretty good

indian food/inspired is pretty good

[obsidian crater]

The only thing I don't like about the UK is the weather

[livid yew]

Too cold?

[obsidian crater]

Too gloomy

I've been told London is a rainy city

Ironic coming from the fact I live in the Midwest

Any of you guys do leetcode contests?

[chilly burrow]

Nah

[obsidian crater]

I'm gonna try one for fun

[timber rock]

It's not that bad, it's just very grey

The last summer was absolutely blistering and very humid which was just awful

[obsidian crater]

Where I live it's grey from October - March

[sonic coral]

I mean what is it I have relatives in the UK and EU so I have more context than the avg clueless American

Few years ago I could’ve just said EU lol

[obsidian crater]

I wonder why EU pay is so low for tech

[timber rock]

It's not

American pay is so high

[sonic coral]

Not just tech too

It’s all relative

[timber rock]

America and Switzerland are the only countries that pay that much

The uk still has the highest tech salaries outside of the US and Switzerland

[obsidian crater]

fair nuff

I heard the UK doesn't value engineering or tech as much

[timber rock]

the US is pretty unique in tech being so insanely valued

[ancient drift]

'MURICA

[obsidian crater]

Tech is valued in India too

[timber rock]

in europe being an swe is an easy ticket to a comfortable upper middle class life but ur not gonna become super rich

[obsidian crater]

I've seen some insane salaries for people in Bangalore

On leetcode

[sonic coral]

Tbh for most American SWEs it’s the same

[obsidian crater]

https://leetcode.com/discuss/compensation/1716067/zomato-sde-on-campus

20 lakh is insane for a new grad

[sonic coral]

There’s those who make a lot but most swes are comfortable I’d think

[timber rock]

Yeah thats fair

[sonic coral]

Like those who make very little at like consultancies are extreme outliers and those who make above comfortable living prob are like top 20-25 percent is my guess with some numbers I just pulled outta my ass

[timber rock]

As you said it's all relative anyway. In london 30k is a perfectly fine salary for someone who's single (albeit definitely very low for an swe) but I can't imagine people living in nyc or sf on that

[sonic coral]

How much takehome would you say that is

[obsidian crater]

ah I didn't know you could live in London

on that wage

Cause rent in SF alone is like $2500-3000 a month

[timber rock]

2k a month

I mean on that ur gonna save maybe 1 or 200 at the most, but you can live fine

[sonic coral]

But I agree like my uncle in the UK owns a pretty small IT consulting company and dude lives in a pretty nice house in Manchester

[obsidian crater]

Manchestah

[sonic coral]

Makes sense that converts post tax to roughly 70k in nyc pre tax which would check out

[obsidian crater]

Is it though

The average American makes like $50k

How do they live lol

[sonic coral]

It is, my parents are planning on moving back to Poland for retirement

[obsidian crater]

Which city you talking about

NYC?

[sonic coral]

Ok this is a bit cap

But yeah it is expensive

[obsidian crater]

Not really cap

[timber rock]

700k or bust

[obsidian crater]

Average house price in NYC is like 1.5 million

[timber rock]

if you can't live on 300k ur just dumb

[sonic coral]

If my parents had an extra 100k a year they’d be chillin lmao

[sonic coral]

Now yes but plenty of families there bought back in early 2000s

[timber rock]

Nah this is crazy cap I think americans really have a big misunderstanding of quality of life in Europe lmfao

[sonic coral]

Tbh my parents could prob afford to retire here if they didn’t have a shitload of debt

So many helocs

[obsidian crater]

I heard people in Greece have coffee and a cigarette for breakfast

[sonic coral]

Ah yes the Christian bale diet

[obsidian crater]

900k or bust tbh

[sonic coral]

My parents combined make just under 180k I think so making 300k would actually be life changing for them

Public schools build character

[timber rock]

private schools and houses in cities are expensive here too lmao

[sonic coral]

Real talk tho I went to public elementary and private after that on scholarship and I’m sending my kids to public schools

You think private schools don’t have wackos?

You’re severely mistaken lmao

Bro I know plenty of my friends went to public school

Unless you’re big balling or get a scholarship you go to public school in nyc

[obsidian crater]

I went to public school in Minnesota

Twas fine

I guess MN is least crackhead state

[sonic coral]

There’s some bad public schools in nyc don’t get me wrong

But on average most are pretty standard

I’ll say tho if you can’t afford private school don’t send your kids there on scholarship they’ll never fit in

Speaking from personal experience

Tbh private school is basically just a country club for kids and teens

Unironically I think health insurance is def one of those things people take for granted till they’re laid off

The fat tc companies def have better health insurance than most

[timber rock]

america moment

[sonic coral]

I’m still on my parents health insurance lol

So if I do get laid off I’ll be ok till I’m 26 at least

I have to say, having family (that you’re on good terms with obv) near where you live is def a major safety net

[pine topaz]

1.2k for an inhaler

[obsidian crater]

Healthcare in the US in nuts bro

My hospital stay was $2000 per day

I'd be bankrupt if my insurance didn't cover 100% of it

[teal jackal]

yeah bay area is a big deal, SJSU is recognized by FAANG whereas an equivalent quality college in Massachusetts would be ignored

[obsidian crater]

Most people have shit insurance as well

So they would have to pay a lot

[teal jackal]

America is nuts, government doesn't care if you starve

We have no safety net

[sonic coral]

For health insurance?

[pine topaz]

i think wrost combo would be u get unemployed so no health insurance n den u get shot

[teal jackal]

government doesn't care if you're in lifetime servitude to your medical or student debt

[obsidian crater]

I think it's 25

For obamacare

to use family insurance

[sonic coral]

It’s 26 I’m pretty sure

[obsidian crater]

Idk bro

My friend lives in Chicago

Works in big pharma

Makes $65k

BS in Chemistry

[sonic coral]

They live life less concerned about tc grinding

[obsidian crater]

He's STEM

Imagine being not stem

[fallen fox]

tech just pays more

even my shitty no-degree it job pays more than business

after a 20 minute interview

[teal jackal]

DUDE SAME BRO

I don't get it man

[obsidian crater]

I'd rope tbh

[teal jackal]

I don't get how some people just don't worry about career development when they're young

if you want a good life it's very competitive and you have to fight to earn your place

it's nuts

[pine topaz]

i mean to be fair alot of ppl dont enjoy cs

[teal jackal]

hell even tech is cutthroat to an extent

[teal jackal]

Oh I was talking about other careers

there's plenty of good careers outside of tech
But average person takes very little initiative to develop their careers when young

[obsidian crater]

Honestly I feel jelly of some of my friends

They chilled through college

Played CSGO half the day

But their TCs and career kinda ass

yeah I think I'm just gonna get the internship gig I got and grind grokking over the summer in hopes the economy will improve

[teal jackal]

I feel jealous of people with vibrant social lives

You're always jealous of what you don't have

:/

[obsidian crater]

I get no bitches

No job either

adonis over here

I know I'll at least avoid deportation for now

[tardy geode]

do all companies in the US have a Employer Identification Number (EIN) ? OR is it that only e-verified companies have that?

[obsidian crater]

So I can breathe

[teal jackal]

tihs is so cap, 300k tc is honestly enough for anywhere in the world minus monaco

[obsidian crater]

Nah bro

You don't know Murica

You can get cancer and get hit with a huge bill

[teal jackal]

I thought 300k tc usually implies good health insurance

[obsidian crater]

One would hope

[teal jackal]

medical debt in america is insane

[obsidian crater]

This is for a snake bite btw

[teal jackal]

they're just pulling those 6 figure numbers out of their ass

[obsidian crater]

Not even cancer

It's kind of legit though

[teal jackal]

We need to put this 6 figure medical bill shit to an end tbh

[obsidian crater]

I was at a hospital for 10 days

My bill was $25K

I didn't need any surgery or anything

[teal jackal]

25k is nuts

that sucks

[obsidian crater]

I did one blood test

Got a few meds lol

25K

[teal jackal]

WAIT BRO YOU GOT INTO MAKO?

SICK

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

CONGRATS BRO

[timber rock]

[late kestrel]

FRIK no longer

[teal jackal]

hospital making massive profit off u

[dusky tapir]

How much did insurance cover

[teal jackal]

^

[obsidian crater]

all of it

I was lucky

cause my school negotiates with insurance companies to give us good insurance

[teal jackal]

yeah but yeah it's nuts that hospitals charge that much since they know they can profit off going through insurance

and then the uninsured just eat shit

[fossil jewel]

get an itemized bill btw

[tardy geode]

anyone?

[fossil jewel]

see how much everything costs

[late kestrel]

@tardy geode i thought they all did for tax purposes

[stone granite]

Usually SEVIs fills it out when you enter the details on the portal

At least for me

[west egret]

EIN can be a TIN as well I believe

[late kestrel]

isnt TIN for individuals

[west egret]

from IRS website

so maybe

But based on that TIN is the more general term that EIN falls under

[mint sonnet]

When do you guys think is the best time to apply??

I feel like a lot of jobs are closed rn

[late kestrel]

yesterday

second best time is right now

[shut thistle]

does barclays hire new grad?

[lament summit]

Congrats

Perseverance op

[prisma flax]

it's depressing job market, shit ton of application one interview and that's ghosted after round 1

[swift falcon]

please don’t say that

cries in waiting to hear back for round 2

[fallen fox]

same, got rejected after recruiter call

last year i went to finals with a worse oa/resume

i guess they can afford to be very selective with the mass layoffs

did you graduate in december?

[ashen musk]

was it for relay?

[fallen fox]

recruiter told me they're just interviewing candidates and then letting the sub-teams pick them based on their oa/screen performance

[obsidian crater]

I didn't even get a recruiter call

Or OA

[fallen fox]

they;re mass rejecting anyway

[ashen musk]

did u get all cases on the oa?

[fallen fox]

yes

my oa was perfect

everyone else probably has perfect oa as well

[pure mauve]

Sofi tradh

Trash

[tardy geode]

fk sofi man

they rejected me thrice

[delicate lantern]

Hey what places are you guys using to apply bc I’m mainly using LinkedIn and I don’t think I’ve heard back from any company

^its mainly just been automated rejection 😭

Also I got accepted into my colleges master program and I was wondering if I should do it or not

^or should I try applying next year to get into a college that has a name to it

[fallen fox]

if this recession taught me anything

its how important it is to go to a target school (top 10)

target school w/ no internships >>>> no name school + 2 internships (one at oracle)

[delicate lantern]

Yeah my college is one is one I wonder is gonna be there when I try selecting it or not

[fallen fox]

i only have a BS

i gotta make sure i get my MS from a top school

[delicate lantern]

And the acceptance rate to my college is pretty low

[delicate lantern]

Mhmm same

[delicate lantern]

For me it was 3 internships, 💀

2 were at the same place and then cvs

[drifting talon]

sofi

[ornate cliff]

Why y'all wanna get a masters?

School fucking sucks 😂

[delicate lantern]

Bc of brand name

[lunar hatch]

yeah that's a great last resort especially for internationals

[foggy vortex]

Georgia tech is pretty good :0 cheap and remote atleast that’s what I’m going for next year

[night marsh]

Kind of have an interesting story about that.
I was dead set on doing a Masters right after my Undergrad (I'm also a US citizen) for the longest time because I thought it could get me access to better coursework to learn more, and idk, having a Masters sounded cool in that it seemed to open up opportunities outside of dev. I was a bit of a deer in the headlights in that sense; there were great labs but I wasn't interested in researching. I also had an opportunity to fast-track my bachelor's and master's within 5 years so when I got acceptance into the program, I was elated. But what I REALLY wanted to do was dev (you can probably tell where this is going) and solely dev, and this was something I realized just a few months after my second internship. I changed my mind about wanting to continue my Master's, but this was also in mid-December 2022 right before the market went to shit.
It's been super up and down lately but needless to say I've learnt a lot so far. For now, I'm continuing my original plan of Master's to wait out the economy while I keep applying for fulltime; don't want to be unproductive while I search out my next opportunity. I also just started in a new lab for the next semester in Virtual Reality research in the meantime, so I'll see how that goes. I also had a mindset I wish I could've improved upon (lacked a significant amount of internal confidence due to lack of external in the past), but now's a better time to start than never I feel.
TL;DR - it was being hung up on a lifelong dream, only to finally achieve it and realize it wasn't all I cracked it out to be. By the time I changed my dream, life had already moved on, but I'll have to adjust my dream accordingly and not put all my eggs in one basket this time.

[obsidian crater]

I don't think I can get into a good grad school

My GPA is ass

[neon tide]

doing this rn

i think GT is better program but uiuc is 2 less classes

i was tired after bscs

oh im doing online so you dont have to finish in 3 semesters with online

on campus yes

hard af cause fulltime required

yeah

correct

there's like one really good class on online tbh

already took it

been downhill from there

distributed systems

taking that rn. it was good but not hard or challenging

but yes

[sleek owl]

Just took 50 minutes on the subway to school just to find out it’s still spring break 🤡

[neon tide]

finished all projects already just waiting for final lol

i found a flashcard set

that was goated

like 500 flashcards

but some of them were basically the midterm lol

still lame. also shit is old / outdated

are you doing the online mcs or just taking the coursera course?

or on campus?

i wish i could take some of the on campus courses

online offerings are ass

shit market timing

im taking data cleaning and science viz this summer

text info systems and data curation in fall

yeah

is it bad? I was doing it mostly for workload management

[tardy geode]

what are some important common graphql questions that are likely to be asked in an interview?

[neon tide]

want to do NLP but it's higher workload

trying to do internship in fall + 2 classes

and i already have a FT job on top of that lol

overemployed

i only work like 20 hrs a week for my ft job but salary

so then i try and pick up internships on top of it

and then class

different time zones or flexible hours and remote

yea. like 427 or something

this is why i say OMSCS at GT is better lol

but i just wanted lowest workload brand name boost

uiuc is just meh for the online

and most of the parsing or apps I have to select MSCS anyways

like when you manually enter

just gonna pray those people arent interviewing me

"so i see here you did jack shit at your masters"

feel like i havent done enough to know what i want to do

did a joke of a front end internship, it was meh

have more of a full stack one this summer

have u done mle work before or just personal

feel like you should be set with projects, masters, ds and ml internships

jfc fuck this market

like what else is needed for an entry level mle

that fucking sucks. why this market be like this

saw an internship role few weeks back that wanted 5 YoE

$25/hr

...

[lone copper]

if you have a job offer (that you are probably going to take) and then get a job offer from another company for the same role with less compensation, can you use this second job offer to somehow negotiate the original job offer even though it is less compensation?

[night marsh]

You can negotiate but I doubt using a lower offer is gonna help your case

[lone copper]

I assumed so

thanks

[night marsh]

You'd be better off without mentioning it

np

[neon tide]

definitely not. we said uiuc mcs is a free w

concur with omscs being hard

everyone i know in it says it's tough even if you line up the easy courses

[lone copper]

I also have another question, if I got a verbal offer, and they said I will get a written offer around end of day today, should I reach out and let them know I have a pending offer with a deadline? at the time when they asked if I had any pending offers I said no, but now I do and the deadline is in a week. Or should I just wait until I get the offer? The second offer is my backup, just incase something happens

[neon tide]

whens your deadline on the second offer

[lone copper]

one week

it was originally monday but I asked for more time

also there is time difference so the HR person's "end of day" is like 7pm for me today

[neon tide]

then i'd email then tomorrow morning if you dont have an offer today

[lone copper]

ok thanks

How should I phrase it?

I’m very excited about the opportunity to work for Company B, especially the ability to have an impact. Company B is by far my top choice, but I have just received another offer this week at a company that would allow me to build out a different skillset. They asked for my response in a few days, and I was wondering when I could anticipate to find out Company B’s final decision. Thank you again for a great interview process, and I very much look forward to hearing your response.

I was thinking something like that? (source: google) lol

[neon tide]

basically: i was fortunate enough to receive another offer from x company (if it's strong company and you want to nego, maybe mention the name, otherwise leave it off), but I really am interested in being a part of [your company's] team. I hate to rush you, but if at all possible I'd need an offer from [your company] by [date] in order to make the best decision

something like that

[lone copper]

gottcha ty

[neon tide]

what you found is good too, but id personally leave out the ability to make an impact part and the part about it being by far your top choice unless you really mean that. And then give them a hard deadline of when you need their offer by for them to be considered

[paper basalt]

if the role doesnt care about it, delete it from that resume

noise is your enemy

[shut crescent]

i have like 1 YOE through part-time/fulltime and im not getting anything back lol

i think its just the economy and not your resume

unless u didnt get anything like before either like a year and a half ago

[pure mauve]

Just wait a couple months until hiring picks up

[chilly burrow]

*if

[brave forge]

accept, collect money, find out later

actually dont cause then they do the "send you a check and then charge back" and you left owing the bank

[pure mauve]

Had that shit before. It’s a scam. Run

[neon tide]

had one of these before. it was unpaid garbage lol

i did do a different unpaid garbage at the time

but it was less garbage than the 10 minute offer

they at least pretended to do an interview process

[marsh sand]

Guys when a company says "less than 6 months of full time experience," they are not counting internships right?

[gilded swan]

Right. Unless you count it as full time experience lol how will they found out?

It’s all about convincing yourself and convincing them once you get an interview. Doesn’t hurt to apply.

[livid yew]

yep and if they say no, thats that

[obsidian crater]

Bro I got rejected from the state of Washington

What is this market

[marsh sand]

Makes sense, I just emailed my recruiter about that cuz I wanna intern again over the summer (i already did 2 in the past totaling 6 months)

i doubt it'd disqualify me (hopefully)

[ornate cliff]

Let's fucking go BRO

[ornate cliff]

"less than 6 months" is such a weird thing to ask for... Who says that 🤣

But yeah internships don't count for experience

[lunar hatch]

Some places count internship

And I mean it really depends on how the internship works

[ornate cliff]

Show me so I can apply as 2+ YOE

[lunar hatch]

You have 2+ years of internship?

How did you do that

[ornate cliff]

It's kinda old school where I live... companies did long ass internships

dog shit school coop programs incentivize companies to do long useless internships like that

and it became a trend

[teal jackal]

They're hiring for easy for a reason

Did you get the contract yet?

[lone rapids]

In the invitees list for zoom I’m not seeing interviewer. Is that normal

[fallen fox]

ye

you can hide participants

[rose tree]

For someone who is graduating in december, when should the roles open for full time? any idea/help/tip would appreciated.

[ornate cliff]

May June ish... but you don't see a lot of winter roles relative to summer

[rose tree]

ohkay, isnt it only applicable for intern positions. for full time all spring students graduate by decemeber and they do get good campanies right?

[ornate cliff]

bro ima need you to rephrase that don't understand your question

[lone rapids]

I see the recruiter in email and myself but yea I hope so they didnt forget to invite the interviewer

[fallen fox]

you're fine

[swift falcon]

Bro if a recruiter reaches out to me on linkedin, saying a “client of theirs” has a role, how official is that relationship?

like are they actually clients, or do they lie and just act like because they have reached out to the hiring manager

[tardy geode]

well i am over 2k apps

2450 to be precise

[ornate cliff]

it's possible some companies outsource recruiting

[tardy geode]

since last week i stopped keeping a count

that number is since aug 2022

[swift falcon]

so i should bite on this recrooter them

anything to get a job right?

fk it

[prisma flax]

How many interviews did you had

[ornate cliff]

I would yeah... enjoy the ride

[tardy geode]

0

💀

and most of the times they got cancelled last minute or i got ghosted

[delicate lantern]

can i see your resume

I don't know how much I can help but I think I'm pretty good with resumes

[fallen fox]

he posted his resume @ #1019675142248468601

[shut crescent]

dayum bro

ur not getting any interviews either?

i would just lie and put a bunch of keywords on ur resume tbh

looks like ur not making it through the resume parser stage

[tardy geode]

bruh i am international thats the biggest reason ig

[neon tide]

Yeah 2500 apps and no interview means you’re getting tossed early

[tardy geode]

it ain’t my resume as i got it reviewed many times from faang engineers

[neon tide]

Either screening question or resume

And resume doesn’t look like the problem

[tardy geode]

@neon tide this

[valid bramble]

No interviews since last year? or just this year?

[tardy geode]

before nov 2023 i had got 2 interviews but post that nothing

[lunar hatch]

Yeah I agree this year is the ultimate hard mode

Especially for internationals

[sleek owl]

how do you guys answer "What's the Biggest Challenge You've Faced?"

[neon tide]

This hiring season

[sleek owl]

lol i wish i could say that

[neon tide]

Fr, I’m a career changer so I use that as an easy answer

I went back to school OH THE ADVERSITY

[grizzled bronze]

Matching with someone on Tinder

[neon tide]

Explaining to recruiters that Java != JavaScript

[sleek owl]

i remember googling java vs javascript my freshman year lol

[outer radish]

my success

[iron lily]

why would companies spend all that money to sponsor an H1B, when there are tons of qualified American CS grads who don’t need sponsorship?

[agile arrow]

Same. University career services tells me resume is great. No callbacks from anyone. Not even an OA

Sucks man

[stray imp]

Did you join grad school?

[tardy geode]

ayo donald trump

[sleek owl]

Fr lmao

Bro doesn’t want us here

[iron lily]

I’m just echoing what recruiters have been saying

I hope all of u internationals do get jobs, but recruiters have been saying that H1B sponsorship costs a lot of money for their companies

[prisma flax]

lol h1b application cost them 10$

I don't know if companies can't spent this for a application, maybe they can deduct it from our salary

[chilly burrow]

I thot there were other fees tho?

Like processing fees and such

[prisma flax]

yea they do need to be e-verified and show that a posting is opened for atleast 30 days before hiring an international

so some companies don't have good enough documentation when they hire international, or some hr doesn't want to keep track of all that info

[chilly burrow]

This site says there are other fees associated

https://internationaloffice.berkeley.edu/ucb_departments/h-1b/fees

[iron lily]

Yeah, I thought there’s attorney fees and stuff

Which total $5000+

[prisma flax]

if the application gets picked than its around 500$ fees to it

[chilly burrow]

The google answer section says 1700~6500

[iron lily]

and they need to file a petition up to three times

[prisma flax]

if you want premium than it's <3000$

[iron lily]

And there’s no guarantee that it even gets picked

[prisma flax]

for initial petition it's 10$ all other cost comes after getting picked

yea even if companies do sponsor h1b, getting a h1b is like 1/10 chance

[chilly burrow]

If u don't get picked what happens?

[iron lily]

is that the case for all companies? I heard your odds of getting your H1B picked is higher at FAANG and FAANG adjacent companies

[prisma flax]

3 years for stem they can work without h1b than need to go back to their own country

[prisma flax]

that's just speculation, it's just that bigger companies have robust paper work after getting h1b chances of getting rejected is very less

this year it was around 800000 petitions for 85k applicants

yea i saw a trend where most of them getting h1b in their first attempt or in their last, very few I saw got it in their 2nd one

No i was just talking about the latest numbers I saw, historically I don't have much info

[iron lily]

3rd chance sounds stressful as hell

[prisma flax]

yea most of them plan for Canada or non profit educational institutions to stay in the country

well maintaining a status in USA is very stressful and should have some luck with it

also there are alternatives to h1b like O1 visa but I don't thing anyone takes that route ( atleast majority don't think about that)

[jaunty storm]

Same I used to be a civil engineer.

I was so new to work and was used. Didn't really have anyone to point me in the right direction. I had an interest in coding before and decided to jump during covid.

[dawn lynx]

Anyone did Snap Up first round?

[dawn lynx]

What do you mean non profit educational institutions? Masters?

[novel brook]

When does the 2024 grads Channel open up?

[pastel bane]

do you think Amazon will resume recruitment in this year?

[prisma flax]

non profit educational institutes can file h1b anytime with no restrictions

[dawn lynx]

So it’s 100% guaranteed?

[prisma flax]

yup

but university pays are mostly crap

[serene nymph]

ive heard stanford wont file lol

afaik universities dont have to follow the h1b caps or something

[tardy geode]

i was just fooling around bro

[tardy geode]

yea thats true

it costs around 7k to file for one employee (that amount includes lawyer fee etc too)

rn the application fee is 10$ but these shit consultancies have been abusing it and doing multiple filings for one employee through multiple companies to increase chances . so its being speculated that USCIS might increase the amount to some 1000 $ USD

[shut thistle]

or marry a american girl 👧

[prisma flax]

u mean fake marriage ?

[shut thistle]

://

[faint umbra]

American girls can make business out of this !!

[prisma flax]

I heard stories about that, but shit man who does that really

[ornate cliff]

babe wake up new job just dropped

[bold pier]

H1B lottery requires less luck than getting resume screened for a new grad role rn

[swift falcon]

man it just hit me that I’m probably not going to make it to round 2 on my two interviews

it’s been 2 weeks since one, and will be 2 weeks on Monday for the other

#depression

time to grind out another 50 apps i guess

[neon tide]

Got another bs first but yes masters now

[neon tide]

It’s good interview talking points

[proper pond]

hello everyone, does anyone have the channel for DS?

[tardy geode]

gotta up that rizz game

[obsidian crater]

tfw ugly

[tardy geode]

[tardy geode]

rizz matters

[obsidian crater]

rizz is like 80% looks

[teal jackal]

bro im already american and i cant

as men, it's extremely hard to break through the cultural gap between ints and americans, in the context of dating

[fallen fox]

not really a problem tbh unless you immigrate when you're older, say 30+

if you're younger; say late teens - 20's, socializing is relatively easy and assimilating isn't really that big of a problem

[tardy geode]

well yeah

[fallen fox]

mostly because 20 - somethings tend to not have families or responsibilities and as such are much more open to socializing or making new friends

that sorta changes when you hit 30+

[swift falcon]

what is an int

[fallen fox]

international

[swift falcon]

ah

[teal jackal]

I think younger students who come here for a bachelors degree don't have to worry about the culture gap

but masters students do

[fallen fox]

yeah

[teal jackal]

also if you're european(aside from ukrainian/russian) your cultural difference is considered a positive to american students

[fallen fox]

[obsidian crater]

That's my observation from my uni

Masters students are overwhelmingly insular, whereas undergrad students are not

[teal jackal]

international masters students generally don't use american social media circles, so I have no idea where they all are tbh

[obsidian crater]

They all use WeChat if Chinese or WhatsApp if Indian

[pastel bane]

is it still possible to get an offer from Amazon if I fail to solve a problem at the coding interview?

Im not in north America

[teal jackal]

Unlikely

Unlikely enough that I'd recommend you consider yourself rejected tbh

[swift falcon]

bro do any graduate students use social media circles?

[prisma flax]

Well if am not wrong apart from discord and twitch for streams I don’t know what more Americans use

[pastel bane]

😢

[swift falcon]

i was completely isolated during my masters

[pastel bane]

[swift falcon]

tho i am in my early thirties I guess

[teal jackal]

Reddit, Instagram, a lot of college student friend groups form Snapchat groups and private discord groups

[prisma flax]

We do, if Indians mostly iMessage and whatsapp whereas Chinese wechat

[swift falcon]

ah I see

[prisma flax]

Well instagram is a common think and not so active in reddit , snaps i feel like its slowly dying in masters

Yea when we come as masters shit is too crazy by the time we tend to make friends gets near to graduation

[livid yew]

snapchat died years ago

I don't think its the standard in HS anymore

[prisma flax]

That’s one of the biggest reasons the gap exists

[livid yew]

I would probably not start a masters until my 30s

wait you get your visa extended when in school?

oh

visa stuff is so complicated lol

[prisma flax]

Well in my school I haven’t seen many masters students who where Americans comparatively there where more American phds

Maybe bcuz ours is a no name

[livid yew]

imagine getting a phd