2023_grads

[fossil jewel]

good luck

[swift falcon]

march 10th for me

[tardy geode]

where in cali ? bay area?

[lone rapids]

San diego

[tardy geode]

oh

[lone rapids]

Barely enough to survive

[neon perch]

If you don’t mind me asking what’s the firm called?

[lone rapids]

I’ll keep it to myself small company I’ll pretty much dox myself

[neon perch]

Aight np

[cloud zinc]

can you rename a developer position to software engineering on your resume? Will anyone have a problem with this name change?

[neon perch]

Yeah you can rename it

Never a problem

[lone rapids]

U killing it in terms of callback any tips

[neon perch]

Hope something positive turns out from these 🙏

[lone rapids]

🙏

[neon perch]

Also reformatted my resume. 6 experiences (3 interns, 2 RA, 1 volunteer all software and ML related)

[dawn sequoia]

howd you find the opportunity?

[neon perch]

No projects section

[lone rapids]

School

[dawn sequoia]

congrats king

[lone rapids]

Thank you sir

[lone rapids]

That’s goated resume

[lone rapids]

Makes sense why u getting callbacks

[neon perch]

Thanks man!

[neon perch]

Yeah only recently, before that with my old resume I barely heard back. The extra work exp played a factor I believe

[lone rapids]

I got my current offer due to a android app i created and responded to every single comment and fixed bugs. Ofc i cleared all the interviews but they kept mentioning it again and again how impressed they are

[neon perch]

That’s awesome! Is it a mobile app position?

Or they were just impressed with your app

[lone rapids]

Its a swe but i have choice to work on mobile team or web team

[neon perch]

Okay nicee

You May 23?

[lone rapids]

I should apply to hfts today just in case

My 400lc need to pay me back now

Which hft is hiring new grads rn anyone knows?

[neon perch]

Bruh 400 🔥

[tardy geode]

jane street ig

[lone rapids]

Js it is then

[tardy geode]

i would suggest reach out to a recruiter

[lone rapids]

I wish i went to a prestigious school

[fallen fox]

cursed fucking year

[tardy geode]

[fallen fox]

im just cursed

[tardy geode]

we gotta survive somehow till december

[chrome nimbus]

I'm not so hopeful December will be the end of it, but, we'll see. I'll have had the misfortune of graduating into both the Global Financial Crisis and now this (ugh)

[neon perch]

I have so many regrets I can’t even wrap my head around it

Every day I question some new decision I made

[lunar hatch]

Got resume rejected every time

I think headlands also hiring

[neon perch]

Undergrad - covid
Grad - recession

Best luck ever 🥰

[chrome nimbus]

I had Undergrad - GFC, Grad - still not recovered from GFC, MBA (Finance) - recession

[lone rapids]

Didnt u posted js phone?

[outer radish]

yo this is dope, im tryna do something the same with the app store

thinking like a game or something so i get noticed by apple hiring managers

did you advertise the app or was it just a solid thing

[lone rapids]

I did not advertise. Just a basic app and it got downloads on its own

[sleek owl]

Does your employer need to provide any documents for opt?

[fallen fox]

technically you don't need anything to report to the SEVP portal but

USCIS might ask you if you apply for STEM OPT or H-1B or GC

to prove OPT employment

[tardy geode]

what would that be ? offer letter ? payslips?

they are asking for that 400 USD thing

[mossy fiber]

payroll ig

[worthy aspen]

Payroll/ timesheets along with offer letter. They could ask for anything, the more documentation u got the better

[young peak]

Offer letter, paystubs, reference letter from manager etc yeah list can go on

[lunar hatch]

No?

I interviewed with js a few years ago

And haven’t been able to get interviews since then

[cloud zinc]

It is the worst most soul-crushing luck imaginable. Even worse when your parents think that you would be the first child out of the others who would buy a house post-graduation

I never smiled during my entire graduation ceremony because I knew I was fucked the moment I realized I did not secure a job after graduation

The fact people didn't believe my concern back then made things more frustrating.

[brave forge]

did u find a job yet

[cloud zinc]

no

[brave forge]

rip maybe u can find something for the jan 2024 new-grad jobs

[cloud zinc]

I've been struggling since August 2022. Back when the recession was only beginning

💀

[brave forge]

have u posted your resume?

are u getting interviews

[cloud zinc]

are you fucking kidding me. Do they only have a start date of 2024?

[cloud zinc]

I did at some point, and blew them when things were slightly better. Once I began to improve on LC + interviews, thats when the application to interview ratio fell significantly

[brave forge]

uh ya it is meant for people graduating in Dec 2023 so they will start jan 2024

[cloud zinc]

christ

[brave forge]

ya the LC problem is real u got to grind hard for it to pass the interviews you do land. i am still struggling with it and new-grad 2024 is coming up soon in july

no they arent there aren't any 2024 positions on the market that i can see

[cloud zinc]

IS THAT WHY THERE WAS A SURGE OF NEW GRAD/ENTRY LEVEL ROLES ON LINKEDIN?

[brave forge]

no they arent even out yet

have you tried mid-west companies sometimes they are more chill and easy to get hired at

not u the other guy

[cloud zinc]

I was gonna get super depressed for the remainder of the year if that was the case. I heard a rumor on r/cscareerquestions that you become unemployable after a year-long unemployment streak

[brave forge]

that doesnt count for new-grad

just tell any interviewer you were searching for a job

your career hasnt started yet

[cloud zinc]

also, I've sent out numerous applications for new grad roles in the deep south and heard nothing back since last week

[brave forge]

ya u can say literally anything no one expects you to work right out of uni

[cloud zinc]

from what they told me, if you tried and failed to find a new grad role 1 year after your graduation you're fucked

[brave forge]

well technically you can no longer apply for new-grad roles

[cloud zinc]

yeah, but like there were some recruiters on that subreddit that recommended these applicants to apply for unemployment and move on to something else

like some real doomer stuff right there

[brave forge]

you dont need to give up just keep your leetcode skills sharp and something will come eventually

u worked at a lot of companies for intern, none of them offered you a job?

[cloud zinc]

I had a commencement ceremony in May, but got my degree in August. Depending on when those companies consider "grad" I might be fucked

[cloud zinc]

none of the places I interned at have the capacity to make return offers

[brave forge]

probably august no one would care about your ceremonial graduation date

that means you can apply for 2024 new grad when they start coming out around july

[outer radish]

ngl i have a hard time believing this, if your spending your time building projects or doing dev work

[cloud zinc]

even if they wanted to, they either lack the funding or are looking for an entirely different skillset for new grad that would not be expected from an intern

[outer radish]

just say you had to deal with a family member that was extremely sick or some shit

[brave forge]

ya ppl keep applying well after 1 year i dont think they would auto reject

this guy works at wendys he knows his stuff

[outer radish]

^^^

plus that subreddit has a lot of bullshit ngl

from people that arent in the industry or are just starting out

[cloud zinc]

I mean any diminishing job posting eligibility between 2022 and now is worth freaking out over. Especially in this economy

[outer radish]

just blame the economy

[brave forge]

ya i would not browse r/cscareerquestions it is so toxic and populated by ANYONE with the smallest amount of CS knowledge

[outer radish]

are people really going to grill you on not getting a job when the amount of people being laid off is equivalent to the amount during the dot ocm boom

like they'd be really tone deaf to ask or question you about that

of course im not a principal at wendys so i cant predict these things

[outer radish]

yeah some people say the most cappiest things on there

[brave forge]

you should just focus on learning new skills and expanding out of web development, like learn cloud and android dev so u can search for more jobs

[cloud zinc]

this is my goto dataset to freak out over

no matter the opinion of boomers, or other people, the fact is in the graph

[outer radish]

holy fuck why'd i think 167k jobs were cut as of today, not from the peak

[brave forge]

ya but people still get hired the fact there are less jobs doesnt mean anything you just have to be good and you'll land a job

do like 1k leetcode questions with your time off

ya but u can raise that probability by being good

[rich cosmos]

that makes more sense now

[trim jacinth]

at startups and 'tech' companies tho

[tardy geode]

i am scared

[trim jacinth]

maybe you dont get the big boy faang job but its better to work like 1 year as SWE anywhere then job hop than keep coping for a year

[tardy geode]

[rich cosmos]

what if this shit never gets any better. what if its over for cs bros

someone prove me wrong

[trim jacinth]

🤨

u think the tech sector will forever be in decline?

[cloud zinc]

I mean if you can't get into faang and the smaller tech companies aren't hiring for the rest of the year, then this startup job posting statistic is grim.

[rich cosmos]

im actually down for this if even 1 place would give me an interview rn lmao

[trim jacinth]

yeah cause half the amazon workers barely had valid experience

just cause they're getting stricter with actual workers doesn't mean its ogre

[outer radish]

boutta drop 30 apps when they open NG

[trim jacinth]

the amazon loop is like 1 lc med and regurgitating their LPs

[cloud zinc]

we wouldn't be freaking out as bad as we are if the smaller tech companies are still looking for grad students from last year

[trim jacinth]

lock mart is applying 😉

open rather

[cloud zinc]

if things don't significantly change by May, I will drink myself into a coma

[rich cosmos]

tf is that

[trim jacinth]

lockheed martin ))

[rich cosmos]

oh im dumb

[rich cosmos]

dude theres no way it gets better by may

but i will join you

[trim jacinth]

is big tech your end goal?

[cloud zinc]

its even more damming when there are people on LinkedIn who promised otherwise back in March and Late February

[trim jacinth]

then what's up with all the dooming

that doesn't mean swe is fucked

[cloud zinc]

I don't think it is normal for people to remain stagnant in the job market for a prolonged period after graduation. The numerous colleges/universities never mentioned this would be a possibility.

so this outcome is a huge subversion of expectation from what the institutions promised us.

[trim jacinth]

since dec for new grad this year?

that's unironically 5 months too late

2023 new grad opened aug 2022

[cloud zinc]

I mean 200 is a little low. I've sent out 1500+ applications since August 2022 up until now and I have still haven't heard back

[outer radish]

those were the days

got some callbacks

shoulda grinded LC during my internship

[trim jacinth]

even bloomberg finished like

in november

[bold pier]

I am at 800+ applications, had just 2 screening calls till now and ghosted

[brave forge]

lockheed martin is the new faang lol

they are still hiring new-grads for 100k

[bold pier]

cries in international

[brave forge]

they hire anyone that can get past resume screen and u just have 1 behavioral round it is so easy

[trim jacinth]

this is the dead season for a bit

[brave forge]

problem is resume screen is so hard with them

[trim jacinth]

shit should start opening end of q2 if they have anything

[brave forge]

they only give interviews to select people which makes it hard to even get a chance

[grizzled bronze]

In my experience it's been impossible to pass resume screen for defense, even as a us citizen

[cloud zinc]

some of those interviewers won't give you the time of day. My interviewer was the most monotone, tired SOB back in mid March and I received a rejection offer exactly two weeks after that interview

[outer radish]

do ya'll ever think that the money that these tech companies made hand over fist during covid

[grizzled bronze]

Ahoy

[outer radish]

literally break neck profits

and now they're cutting shit so hard and using the market as a cover

like amazon cutting RSUs or google cutting staplers

[trim jacinth]

bezos waitlisted all the fall interns lol

but i still think we'll see returns handed out later

esp for amazon since they pipchurn like crazy

new grads are an incredibly efficient labor source

[outer radish]

yeah metaverse probably wasnt the best thing to double down on

[trim jacinth]

🤨

they also get close to zero equity

and being return interns should get up to productivity quickly

bro what

[outer radish]

naw bro

[trim jacinth]

amazon new grads do not get equity

[outer radish]

u get like 3k in stocks

[trim jacinth]

its 5/15/40/40

in year 3

when average tenure is 2 years

[bold pier]

I promise I wont leave for next 5 years, gib job

[trim jacinth]

cash bonuses look different on a financial sheet bro

that's why its 5/15

for the first two years

[thick cave]

It’s a bit higher than 3k but yea definitely not 100k equity LOL

[cloud zinc]

whats worse is some of us get tricked into pursuing a shitty tech stack

while web dev node.js stack is oversaturated and underdesired as of now, nobody in uni will tell you that, especially if you broke into uni with that stack in the beginning

[trim jacinth]

there's upside to stay cause the actual job is soul crushing lol

my AWS team was doing like 2x 24 hour on call per week

i have offer elsewhere rn

[outer radish]

damn wtf, what service were you guys working on

[trim jacinth]

depends on if zon is same team

[trim jacinth]

dynamo 💀 they reorged my team and there were 3 eng left on the team

[outer radish]

bro wtf

[trim jacinth]

scale

[outer radish]

thats like the highest of tiered services

intern consumer org

[trim jacinth]

intern ((

hyperplane seemed more of a chill org

scale is a sweatshop apparently but it looks nice on the resume

[outer radish]

yeah thats a guaranteed paycheque until you cant stand it anymore

[grizzled bronze]

That's why I'm going for Amazon

[trim jacinth]

mfer alex wang deported me to SF to

[outer radish]

bare big tech uses it tho

for SAAS

them mfs PRINT cash with how much they're charging

kinda fucked, they should pay their enngs more

or hire me

[trim jacinth]

at AWS?

they do both

[prisma flax]

My friend was in aws till recently laid off, man they used to get shit ton of sevs on their on call

[trim jacinth]

they need the SWEs to make the crud interfaces for the ML lmao

[prisma flax]

When there’s a on call I never saw those folks chilling

[trim jacinth]

yeah that's where im at rn

except aws waitlisted lmao

[cloud zinc]

I applied and got an interview for AWS and they decided to freeze hiring for their new grad consultant role

[trim jacinth]

nah was last aug posting

[cloud zinc]

Accelerate 2 Consultant. Basically cannon fodder

[trim jacinth]

ng

[cloud zinc]

they changed their requirements to only hire people with 2 years of experience and are no longer looking for new grads until next year (2023). Judging by the way things are going, they'll probably keep the 2 yoe req

yeah if witch was forced to lay off some people then there is no reason to not panic

[brave forge]

i still believe mid west is in a different tech world

they are just hiring people and expanding and no one really notices them because they are bumfuck nowhere

ya that's where my job is in kansas city and there's quite a few companies hiring. when i applied for intern every company gave me an interview probably because nobody applies there

the company i work at, if i get a return offer which they said they are looking to do have to see, is 95k base with 20k stock/bonus and a bunch of benefits

with COL being like 1200-1400 for a higher end apartment u can save a ton. it's literally like 120% higher then avg pay in the area

[cloud zinc]

Accenture laying off people was bad enough. This seals the deal in terms of the state of the job market. My parent's can't say otherwise about it

[brave forge]

dood why are u blaming your parents did they force u into tech

[cloud zinc]

always sucks when the usual "you will find something eventually the market isn't even bad NBC nightly news told us so" rears its ugly head in response to job-hunting anxiety.

[cloud zinc]

I'm not blaming them, they just don't understand that the job market is as bad as it actually is

[brave forge]

oh ok get that now

[cloud zinc]

it honestly sucks because at some point, they will offer some of the worst advice to "compensate" for a lack of employment. Something between making your own startup and getting a masters because "finding a job is more than enough of a reason to get accepted into grad school"

like be fr 😭

[brave forge]

ya your pretty out of luck with tech, if you can't break in with a new-grad job you can't really just go find other avenues to make money like most other degrees

and then tech has their slow hiring cycles that you have to wait ages for

i thought california had a ton of software jobs

[cloud zinc]

Exactly my point. I have every right to gloom about job hunting and those who claim otherwise don't know about the state of things or have already found a new grad role

[grizzled bronze]

Have your mom join this Discord

[brave forge]

i have a friend that's a project manager at paypal, he's down to recommend me but im too dumb to pass their OA rn plus they havent started their december new-grad cycle. i do want to apply there when that comes around tho (paypal is in la)

hmm what does networking mean though

[cloud zinc]

it royally sucks for me because nobody in my internship network work in places that are looking for new grads

[brave forge]

i have friends here and there in different companies i can get recommendations from that im waiting to do for the december cycle. idk how far that'll go

[cloud zinc]

its either they stay at a startup that have closed hiring for the next several years or they switched into a NICHE department of the same internship company that have skillsets that I lack (embedded)

I don't think I ever complained about working at a no name place, my main issue was failing to find any company that was still looking for new grads in 2023. The only thing I'm glooming over is how the 8+ months of no work experience makes me a walking red flag for future employers.

[brave forge]

it's not that big a deal but i have heard some people start to get asked about it you can just handle it in interviews say it is a bad market

[neon perch]

Resonated w me tbh. Been learning guitar and LC mostly and it’s pretty great

[prisma flax]

do some freelancing or do volunteer or contribute to open source this thing should be able to make up the gap in tech

[brave forge]

i was considering getting a night shift walmart job after my internship and grinding leetcode

just having the trickle of income makes it a lot less stressful then making $0 and always grinding CS

[novel rain]

i dont think its necessarily abnormal to have a resume gap rn

the tech industry collapsed

employers will be understanding

[cloud zinc]

not in the eyes of employers in my experience.

[prisma flax]

does these companies sponsor

[cloud zinc]

I've been auto rejected from some companies because my last work experience was in august. Didn't even pass the resume screening where it would usually pass otherwise

[brave forge]

dont u have like 4 internships

[novel rain]

how would you know why you got autorejected lol

ur just assuming it was for the reason u made up

[cloud zinc]

I got rejected from a position I applied to on the same week or even less than a day.

[grizzled bronze]

Some roles I have applied for and been rejected for were only posted for a candidate that was already identified

Just gotta keep applying

[brave forge]

well that might be an option but id have to buy a car first. ive been looking at chevy volts which are like 7k-8k nearby me and have 35 miles full ev range/300 miles gas. idk if i can afford it though i might be able to just barely get it if i save up enough from interning and probably some money from my parents.

[prisma flax]

thats shit , these companies discriminate

[brave forge]

canada has no jobs or houses either lol

maybe they dont deport so aggressively

[cloud zinc]

My resume is slightly good enough to receive interviews on a normal economic state. The positions I applied for are $55k/year web development gigs that are local to my area, which were looking for a tech stack that was a perfect match for my experience. It would be unnatural to swiftly reject an applicant that matches the tech requirement unless it was for something specifically chosen by the hiring team like no recent work experience

[brave forge]

cant get deported if you arent alive 🧠

[cloud zinc]

I don't want to make the claim that my work experience is 100% the reason why they are rejecting my application. But for such low-paying offers, it would be weird not to pursue someone with multiple internships that utilized the exact tech stack your company is looking for

[brave forge]

those companies are so random they are basically sweat shops and probably reject you because your over qualified

they are looking for associate degree people with portfolios in web design/web dev and they know they can under pay

[queen swallow]

I was just wondering if anyone on F1 visa here, received a full-time offer from Palantir?

[brave forge]

https://www.rocketlabusa.com/careers/positions/software-engineer-i-web-albuquerque-new-mexico-united-states-5561001003/

you guys seen this job? just posted a few hours ago it looks pretty cool

is openGL / graphics dev good enough for embedded roles?

Ive been wondering that because ive been learning it and that's the only thing i work on with C++. Most C++ roles ive seen ask for C++ leetcode which is so hard when im still learning leetcode in python

me neither i dont understand what they mean

i work on opengl just because it's fun

[atomic oxide]

I'm pretty sure most embedded work is done in C, not C++

[cloud zinc]

my only knowledge of Java/python is either from academic projects/tutoring or through web-dev internship stuff like spring and flask. I was under the impression that web-dev wasn't saturated so I haven't taken the opportunity to learn about these tools outside of it

most of my work experience is Node.js, react, and Rest apis

I'm only dooming out in chat because nobody told me these things before graduating

[brave forge]

my problem with cloud is it just looks so boring

it feels like it is IT and not SWE anymore

[glossy hull]

I love C++ but I feel most of the job for C++ are in defense

[brave forge]

not really i see a lot of embedded roles out there at random companies

[glossy hull]

I have no experience about embedded stuff 😢 I have done some games in C++ though

[cloud zinc]

It was an internship that was mislabeled as software engineering or software developer. Like at a no-name startup or defense gig, that true software engineering work just flies out the window

[brave forge]

what are you on about like you didn't do any coding?

[cloud zinc]

I did, but I think some of the core SWE stuff that kuro was mentioning didn't apply.

[brave forge]

my first intern didnt use aws or i didnt work on it idk about this upcoming one they say they use react typescript and .NET i dont even know .NET lol

[cloud zinc]

Like I went through the software development life cycle in my most recent internship with MITRE, but as for the scope of the project, all I was responsible for was developing a REST API that would take in data from some private endpoint, translate it, and push this data into a readable display.

The issue with my experience was that I wasn't required to apply and make decisions based on this knowledge. When I joined the team at MITRE, they sort-of railroaded me into a pre-determined server setup that some part-time coworker already drafted up

[hearty aurora]

are there postings for 2024 grads yet or 2023 december grads

[ornate cliff]

Maybe around end of July at earliest

[fallen fox]

zon will post 2024 ng right?

[ornate cliff]

yes but you will get HRT

[fallen fox]

[brave forge]

nope no zon this year

they still have ppl on waitlist

from last year

[pastel bane]

Could anyone please help me to rank the importance of these languages? (for finding jobs)
Python/Javascript/C/C++/Go/Java/Rust/Ruby
and any others?

[static quarry]

Languages are dependent on what you are doing

but for leetcode, python is the best

[livid yew]

FAANG l5

I need to learn TypeScript

seems like the current way to go

sorta

but I need to learn the types

and know where to use them

[brave forge]

ya you don't really just learn TS you have to build with TS

[livid yew]

plus then I gotta add in all the required stuff for the TS to JS complie

[brave forge]

it is more of an experience thing, kind of hard to learn by yourself when it is more useful on big projects

[livid yew]

like WebPack or whatever

I default to vanilla JS

cause thats what I learned in school lol

nah I would try to figure it out

We are converting all our JS apps next month to TS

I was tasked with automatic build processes for that

Cause then we generate go, JS, TS, python clients

For various teams

They all want to use our services

[tacit jasper]

Are we gonna see the return of in person coding interviews to counter chatgpt?

[livid yew]

a lot of online interview platforms now do camera and browser monitoring as well

[neon tide]

or just less OAs. dont care if it's on zoom or in-person, way prefer interviewing with another person than OAs

[jaunty storm]

That explains the recent onsite interviews.

[neon tide]

at least then if you have a sub-optimal solution that still works, you can still pass an interview with an actual human being

[jaunty storm]

They keep the bar high. I've been 100%ing every technical and still can't break in.

At that point I started working on behavioral more.

And projects.

Me: 100% Apple, ghosted.

Citadel, and GM too.

[neon tide]

industry saturated + need a little luck sometimes

[jaunty storm]

I'm probably gonna do a third internship and go to SHPE to make one big push.

If I pass my next interview, I can graduate with 4 in under 3 years.

[neon tide]

ill probably have 3 before i hit job market ft. in masters rn

[jaunty storm]

I'm debating a masters.

[neon tide]

probably doesnt make sense for a lot of people, did for me tho

[jaunty storm]

Family isn't too keen, and I don't want to blow all my money for furry conventions.

I'll probably work at the mall, selling iphone chargers to make my ends meet.

[nimble shale]

When will 2024 grad postings open?

[jaunty storm]

The autism isn't helping. Had to work hard on that one.

[tacit jasper]

still very easy to cheat though, with another device, or audio in your headphone, etc

Only way to fully counter AI cheating is make the interview in person tbh

[livid yew]

I mean I have yet to meet someone that went to such lengths

like maybe there are dudes out there thay cream over FAANG that much lol

[livid yew]

nah they would see you looking off screen tbh

[tacit jasper]

Literally just have an ipad behind your monitor

[livid yew]

good idea

Yeah I would gladly accept rejection before doing any of that lol

[tacit jasper]

maybe you

[livid yew]

but how would you interact with the ipad? wouldn't that still look sus

[tacit jasper]

but many people would happily cheat lol

[livid yew]

[tacit jasper]

a keyboard switcher costs like 5 bucks lol

[livid yew]

yeah I was just never into that circle

[tacit jasper]

so u could switch it between your pc and the ipad

[livid yew]

I have passed interviews with half finished solutions and incorrect solutions before

it just sorta depends on what they are looking for

[tacit jasper]

yeah me too

[livid yew]

I do keep notes open during interviews

[tacit jasper]

that was in 2022 season though before chatgpt

[livid yew]

Like I ask ahead of time, and most places are fine with that

[tacit jasper]

yeah, most even let you google stuff during the interview

I mean also tbh I think in person interviews would reduce the incentive of spam-app which would be good

bc it would be a much bigger commitment to actually show up in person

[prime palm]

@jaunty storm hello friend

How you soon

Doin *

[tacit jasper]

So you wouldn't have nerds doing 3 coding interviews a day, or people applying when they know theyre not qualified

[jaunty storm]

[jaunty storm]

Somehow hitting highs and lows. I still have 6 interviews this month with one more next month. But most of those jobs dropped from FT to intern. Failed at every single final round behavioral. Apple, Tesla, and Bloomies couldn’t slow me down with the LC.

[prime palm]

Yonkers

As they say

[jaunty storm]

I’m considering delay graduation again and try for next cycle with a third internship and stronger skills.

[prime palm]

For a tree to reach heaven, it's roots must touch hell

Needa know Ls before your Ws

Keep goin

[livid yew]

I did a in-person yesterday @tacit jasper

[jaunty storm]

It’s just luck at this point.

[livid yew]

was 1.5hrs cultural and 1.5hrs tech

[brave forge]

did they hire u

[tacit jasper]

Lol reading this sub gives me depression

[livid yew]

it was yesterday

[tacit jasper]

If I graduate december 2023 should I start applying now or wait till 2024 new grad season starts?

[livid yew]

I won't know anything til Tuesday/Wed lol

at the earliest

[brave forge]

there is nothing to apply to now

[tacit jasper]

I mean there is regular openings on linkedin

But I think they are for start asap right?

I am most likelty gonna renege amazon return off so gotta start applying but idk if the new grad 2024 jobs offer winter start

[neon tide]

[livid yew]

I think my keyboard can switch between bluetooth and dongle

but that would take too long

[neon tide]

the proctor when they see my hands doing something resembles typing but nothing shows up on ide

[livid yew]

I asked an Interviewer once if I could use google/notes/etc

and he got angry and rejected me right then

just ended the call lol

[neon tide]

even codesignal lets you google lol

[livid yew]

I have a uhh

[neon tide]

as long as you're not googling anything to help with the logic

[livid yew]

Glider OA to do

and it wants to install a pluging to monitor screen activity

so not doing that

[neon tide]

i have a separate login for the spyware required stuff

like protoru bullshit for tests

[livid yew]

I am not desperate enough

I sorta cheated once in college

and I felt terrible after

[brave forge]

i cheat and dont feel terrible

[livid yew]

yeah I have yet to loose my morals in humans

[obsidian crater]

Techie here is a nice guy

I'm very cynical

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-patrick-bateman-american-psycho-gif-7212093

[livid yew]

I want to become cynical

it seems easier

[obsidian crater]

Just have asshole parents

Ez speedrun to cynicism

[livid yew]

they were

but I delt with it

years of whatever

[obsidian crater]

damn

[fossil jewel]

typically December 2023 is lumped with the 2024 grads

you can still keep applying now but for 2024 roles just request earlier start date if you can

[tardy geode]

weekend rejects hit different

[obsidian crater]

C3 AI rejection gang

[dawn sequoia]

reject them back and see how they like it

[fervent drift]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-if-death-gif-23334862

im stupid

i doxxed myself again

[tardy geode]

[bold pier]

lmao I might be the culprit, I mailed them last night asking for update!

Now I'm afraid I'm gonna get rejection from other two places I mailed as well

[fervent drift]

same

why they send their rejection this late lol

[fervent drift]

reject their rejection lol

[dusky tapir]

Because they’re hot shit

[fervent drift]

5.5 in

[dusky tapir]

What about it

[late kestrel]

[dusky tapir]

Bro I saw that

[fervent drift]

?

[late kestrel]

?

they have fire emotes

[fervent drift]

sound good @dusky tapir will do

[fervent drift]

are there e-girls there?

[late kestrel]

bro i dunno ive never actually opened the server

[fervent drift]

open it and stream it in vc

[dusky tapir]

What’s y’all’s iq?

[fervent drift]

113

im mentally challenged

[dusky tapir]

What test

[fervent drift]

the iq test

[late kestrel]

hell nah

[dusky tapir]

iq checks out 💀

[fervent drift]

ive never actually taken an iq test

[late kestrel]

[fervent drift]

@dusky tapir where can i take a legit iq test

[dusky tapir]

https://planning.e-psychometrics.com/test/icar16?ssid=350b4072-0943-49e0-bc10-54a6aaf713bc

^this is a short version of a scientifically validated assessment, ICAR60

[livid yew]

[late kestrel]

[timber rock]

[Blind] Check out this post! Driving drunk is an act of courage (Misc.)
https://us.teamblind.com/s/vvR2TiRv

[potent lava]

Anyone know when there should be more new grad job postings, the market seems really dry for new grad opportunities rn

[jovial rain]

Anytime between now and 2026

[neon tide]

i see we have an optimist

[late kestrel]

i promise u

i dont want no egirl

[livid yew]

Cap

[serene nymph]

Just got 2k rejection after oa on Tuesday lol

I think they expect something close to perfection in the test

[late kestrel]

dont cap me

[tardy geode]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/585758820102569984.gif?size=240&quality=lossless

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/756275375323086848.webp?size=240&quality=lossless

[livid yew]

I'm sick bro

Stop being mean

[late kestrel]

i also have a cold so i can do whatever i want

[livid yew]

[tardy geode]

https://tenor.com/view/batcat-gif-23787350

[rain thicket]

Did Google post out anything for new grad SDE?

[pastel bane]

thank you!

why are most recruiters so slow?
many jobs I applied on linkedin have been like a month ago

[neon perch]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-boo-gif-23476186

[swift falcon]

sup

so today I asked a magic 8 ball if I was going to get an offer from one of my job interviews

and it said “you can rely on it”

[modest rampart]

Do we need to learn system design for sde1 interview?

[obsidian crater]

usually no

[pulsar sparrow]

Did anyone go past 2K take home?

[timber rock]

depends on company but usually not

[late kestrel]

https://corporate.walmart.com/newhomeoffice/campus-map @livid yew this gon be u soon hickie

[livid yew]

No they ghosted me

[verbal hollow]

Anyone interviewed for SDE role with bill.com ?

[modest rampart]

Thanks

[delicate lantern]

My return offer got rescinded bc of budgeting and refinancing (´°̥̥̥ω°̥̥̥｀)

[late kestrel]

thats it go to bentonville and DEMAND to speak to mr walton

[toxic wren]

What are the frequent questions asked in Google interview
Can anyone share the list

[tardy geode]

you got an interview ?

[toxic wren]

First round next week

[tardy geode]

what role ?

like what's the position title

sde 3 ?

[toxic wren]

Ya sde3

[ornate cliff]

check #leetcode-bot

[static quarry]

who

mine also got rescinded because of economy :/

month before graduation, these companies are ruthless

[delicate lantern]

Yeah

[tardy geode]

which companies are these

if its fine to shar

*share

[delicate lantern]

Is it even worth applying for roles at this point?

Bc I feel like this cycle is coming to a close for new grads

[outer radish]

bro thats fucked

[static quarry]

Nordstrom

Rescinded all full time offers 1 week and 1/2 ago

[static quarry]

Yes

[delicate lantern]

Oh yeah same for me

[static quarry]

Apply everywhere

[delicate lantern]

But full time and internships

Not just full time

[static quarry]

I have spacex second round tuesday, vanguard final tba

Just did epic oa

some people still hiring

[delicate lantern]

^ya that’s what I’ve been doing

[static quarry]

And grind leetcode obviously

[delicate lantern]

If you don’t mind can I send you my resume?

[static quarry]

im no pro at resumes i think theres a resume review chat

#1019675142248468601

Thats what im most likely gonna be doing

going from big money tc back to the trenches is not fun tho

[delicate lantern]

Oh congrats btw

[ornate cliff]

you can send to me if you'd like

[static quarry]

i have no expectations tho

[neon perch]

Fk man the LC contests are so aggressive

[ornate cliff]

or on #1019675142248468601 and ping me there

[delicate lantern]

Hey just posted on the resume chat

[outer radish]

anyone else get pippd by the contest just now

[sleek owl]

Still waiting for feedback

[autumn jolt]

Initial Phone screen questions are very basic open ended questions covering Algos (do Graphs well).

[nova reef]

r u doing this

[paper basalt]

i wont lie, i moved in with my dad in my 30s and i work in defense now

got my cs degree

[neon perch]

Yo why isn’t ramp’s backend role challenge link not working

[polar quail]

lmk how it goes

[static quarry]

colin compton

damn

tbf

he didnt reply to any of mine

he just sent me emails

weird

[static quarry]

will do

can i dm u

yes it is

i need interview tips lol

okok

[pure mauve]

Lmfao c3 recruiters ass

Or is that spaced

They ghost

[neon perch]

They suck

[misty fable]

i've never had any success testing my luck applying to "3+ yoe" jobs as a new grad, should i keep trying anyway or is it generally a waste of time?

[onyx sparrow]

If anyone has interviewed for Abbott, please dm

[pastel bane]

job searching is painful

does this belong to #rant?

[earnest perch]

Why am I getting rejects during weekends

[rain patio]

When do faang companies usually give out full time offers?

[rain patio]

I mean for next year

[livid yew]

@grim ore

did you have good weekend?

[rain patio]

2024

[livid yew]

I mean it still feels a bit early to give a 2024 offer

like that is almost a full year out

Like a LOT can change between now and then

headcount, budgets, projects, etc

yep, unfort you cannot plan that far out tbh

Amazon doesn't fuck up this delivery tomorrow

[rain patio]

I don't think Amazon gave out any return offers to it's fall interns but maybe they will for summer

[neon hazel]

Hii guys... Is Millenium Management a good company for SWE roles??

[rain patio]

But are banks/quants still hiring?

[shut thistle]

in this economy, anything’s good

[tardy geode]

umm in this economy just take anything and i assume you are international so any company that employs you is good

for us international students it now important to find a way to maintain status rather than finding a job

[neon hazel]

@shut thistle @tardy geode
I have a backup at Barclays for the same role, so I am confused about which will be a better company to join for better growth.

[pastel bane]

I have a question, dont you get tired of job applications on linkedin? it takes too much time.
How am I supposed to have time to study?

[livid yew]

@grim ore

[late kestrel]

i have great parents and had a great childhood but i hate going home

[fallen fox]

just find something that lets you stay in the us lol and then look for better roles

[tardy geode]

i reckon you got barclays via GHC?

people are struggling to find one and there are peeps with multiple offers 😭

[lunar hatch]

quant will begin hiring during june/july i think

[split plaza]

hopefully they're inclusive of 2023 grads, given that it'll technically be the 2024 NG cycle at that point

[lunar hatch]

they will as long as you meet the bar

quant places don't typically care about grad date

but yeah, passing interviews+getting offers is another story

[rain patio]

Nice. Do quants care about school? I don't go to a target school. Will they insta reject me?

[rain patio]

Are there companies who hire you on OPT but don't sponsor. Cause I don't know any smaller companies that would bother with sponsoring

[neon hazel]

no it was my previous company... and I havent got an offer from millenium, its just my coursework is very hectic so should I even interview for it or not

[neon hazel]

im sorry i didnt mean to

[worthy aspen]

i got friends who graduated in 21 working in companies that accepted their OPT but isnt planning on sponsoring

[rain patio]

How though? I apply to companies and I never hear back anything except a generic reject email. I have only even gotten OAs/interviews from big tech and that too rarely

[worthy aspen]

From what i remember when they were applying, they always said no to sponsorship and when the question came, they tried convincing them how they didnt need one. Also I should add, they werent applying in tech-they were applying finance,accounting and actuary

some of their BSing helped them(cause they all have jobs now) but i remember a lot of companies rejecting them once they opened up that they will ultimately need sponsorship

[lunar hatch]

Depends

For big places not a problem as long as you have great experience

Like faang-level/unicorn internship

[rain patio]

Does Amazon count? Lol

[fallen fox]

oracle seems to do fuck all

not faang but might as well not exist on my resume

im intl tho

[tardy geode]

amazon is not fang anymore lol

atleast i don't consider it 💀

[rain patio]

I am international too. Didn't get any interviews for internships this year

[lunar hatch]

yes i think

like you won't get insta-rejected for sure

[fallen fox]

official 💀

[brave forge]

officially pass

[neon perch]

Fuck faang

[tardy geode]

this

sunday rejects hit different

[whole roost]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-batman-robin-teen-titans-gif-12256381

[tardy geode]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/852881761628717056.webp?size=240&quality=lossless

[timber rock]

Cisco rejecting me at 9pm on a Sunday is wild

[chilly burrow]

U gotta figur it out

[neon perch]

Thanks 🙏

[ornate cliff]

best resume template other than Jake's? pls send links ❤️

[chilly burrow]

Awesome cv

[ornate cliff]

oh damn that's crispy... thanks 👌🏼

[ornate cliff]

do you know which file to change the red colour? I'm a latex noob

[chilly burrow]

Nah idr

[prime palm]

How

[swift falcon]

sawcon

[tardy geode]

https://tenor.com/view/cap-cap-check-gif-24989004

[neon perch]

Hope this coming week is slightly better

[timber rock]

it's gonna be a good one

[onyx sparrow]

[fervent drift]

They don’t wanna see you win fr

[fallen fox]

[swift falcon]

[rain patio]

[split plaza]

[livid yew]

[iron lily]

[delicate lantern]

How much does it affect your chances when you mass apply not going to any target school

I put my resume in resume but just wondering how much is affected by school

Bc I feel like I’ve applied to a lot of places and haven’t heard back

[neon tide]

me checking my inbox

[atomic oxide]

I think I go to a very low-ranked school for CS so I don't think it affects that much

Way more factors beyond school name

[delicate lantern]

Oh if you don’t mind can you take a look at my resume

It’s in the resume chat

[mossy fiber]

[west egret]

Same. My school isn’t even in top 100 for CS.

I feel like everyone just sees your school as a random state school if you’re not in t30 or so.

[foggy vortex]

Target school op. Most of the offers i got during Q1 mentioned my school one way or another

[lone rapids]

Yea if i went to a good school i would have gotten good offers

[fallen fox]

yep, going to a target school helps immensely

[obsidian crater]

Looking doomed bruh

[west egret]

^ at the same time I was at internship with ppl who were in t10 CS schools. My roommates(also interns) were from ivies.

Does it help? Yeah but you still need to pass interviews.

[fossil jewel]

dont gatekeep or limit yourself bc of school standings

[tardy geode]

for the upcoming week

[abstract storm]

Has anyone heard back from Accenture for their SWE positions?

[vital leaf]

I dont need a job

I just need money

[abstract storm]

I have applications dating back to October of last year and haven't been hearing anything

[vital leaf]

[abstract storm]

real

Just win the lottery

[vital leaf]

all the way back from august

[abstract storm]

nice, I see we're in the same boat

[vital leaf]

I dont have luck in my life

lady luck ditched me

[abstract storm]

I've messaged one of the recruiters who went through my friend

and haven't heard anything in a week

[vital leaf]

I have messaged 10 recruiters in past 2 weeks. 6 of them were laid off in last week. I'm that lucky

[abstract storm]

Wow

That is...

[vital leaf]

[abstract storm]

like titanic levels of unfortunate

Are you thanos?

[vital leaf]

if I play poker 10 games, 9 rounds, I will surely get worst hands

even in video games, I'm hard struck at lowest level ranks

[abstract storm]

Oof

can't relate on that part

[vital leaf]

hm

it happens

[obsidian crater]

[pastel bane]

what's the experience you just finished an interview and the next minute you found a better solution?

[pure mauve]

Think about the next interview

[pastel bane]

hope chatgpt is accurate in this

[fallen fox]

any mods?

[brave forge]

mods are leetcoding

[sleek owl]

Anyone heard back from 2k?

[swift falcon]

blessings this week to everyone

[tardy geode]

got resume rejected from Infosys

[pastel bane]

how?

[late kestrel]

[livid yew]

InfoSys

thats a standard WITCH

[stone granite]

They don’t sponsor f1 students

[swift falcon]

what is a witch?

[late kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/abell46s-reface-witch-bruja-halloween-gif-18968787

[timber rock]

wipro infosys tcs cognizant hcl

low paying consultancies

[swift falcon]

ah I see

so avoid those

are they similar to revature?

[late kestrel]

aka the consulting agencies that slut you out

[late kestrel]

revature is essentially one of them just not in the name

[timber rock]

they do the same kind of thing, but revature is way more predatory

revature pays way less, has predatory contracts where you have to move to wherever they decide, and you have to pay like 20k if you quit within 2 years for "training costs"

and witch actually requires a cs degree so your coworkers will be somewhat competent lmfao, revature takes people with no exp

still avoid them if you can 😂 but they're not as bad as revature

[obsidian crater]

Ye my dad is a PM at a WITCH

They're not like revature

[timber rock]

yeah

[fallen fox]

revature contracts in the us are not legally valid

[timber rock]

revature is more of a bootcamp which contracts you out after, witch hires real qualified people

[fallen fox]

they threaten you but those contracts are illegal

[timber rock]

that too

[livid yew]

Sussy contracts

[fossil jewel]

BRUH ripplematch

💀

[timber rock]

🫡

[fossil jewel]

o7

[livid yew]

Can you send that to me

[fossil jewel]

idk how to lol

[livid yew]

[timber rock]

i almost got a job at the uk secret service a few weeks ago but dropped out cause they didnt wanna pay for my flight or hotel for the final lol

[fossil jewel]

yeah thats what this says too

ripple match ML is TRASH

i have gotten better matches in the past and interviews out of it

[livid yew]

Fizzy water

[late kestrel]

i finally just deleted all my ripplematch accounts

this weekend

idk why i didnt sooner

[south sable]

people actually use ripplematch?

i opened it once and forgot about it

[livid yew]

I learned about it recently

[late kestrel]

ngl ive gotten a few interviews from it over the years

[livid yew]

Seems trash

[late kestrel]

like maybe 2-3 over 20 "applications"

so oh well

[livid yew]

blackberry not the flavor

[late kestrel]

u meanie

[livid yew]

Huh

I usually make Lime or Strawberry bubbly

[toxic wren]

Can anyone share the questions

[jaunty basalt]

It is but when I used it I got two jobs from it, which I’m pretty sure anyone could’ve gotten without them

[obsidian crater]

Good morning gamers

[swift falcon]

good morning

[sleek owl]

Anyone scheduled SoFi coding round after recruiter call?

[tardy geode]

💀

[fallen fox]

i cant get a single fucking intervie

w

[tardy geode]

[fallen fox]

wtf

[late kestrel]

not all that uncommon

[granite trench]

Oh no, we gonna be replaced soon lol

[tardy geode]

if they had not mentioned midsize , i would have told amazon

[obsidian crater]

Same

[fossil jewel]

Hello Guys, I made $22,000.01 from the crypto market from a legit source,contact me to earn now

[obsidian crater]

Hello Guys, I made $22,000.01 from the crypto market from a legit source,contact me to earn now

[fossil jewel]

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[fossil jewel]

Hello Guys, I made $22,000.02 from the crypto market from a legit source,contact me to earn now

beat that

[obsidian crater]

[cloud zinc]

Are there leetcode/hackerrank problem lists for REST APIs?

[late kestrel]

HELLO GUYS I MADE $22,000 FROM THE CRYPTO MARKET FROM A LEGIT SOURCE,CONTACT ME TO EARN NOW

[timber rock]

i made $220,000

[fossil jewel]

loaded

[waxen kayak]

ty

[sonic sand]

Hello Guys, I LOST $22,000.02 😃 from the crypto market from a legit source,contact me

[west egret]

I’m not scamming people. I just want money. Someone PayPal me.

[late kestrel]

if you paypal me $10 ill give you $20 back i promise

[teal jackal]

FOLLOW ME FOR FINANCIAL ADVICE

I LOST 10X MY MONEY IN ONE DAY

[pine topaz]

RECESSION 🙂

[pure mauve]

yo JS rdp vs TIKTOK what yall think is better

[vagrant star]

aint no way a cs major falls for that scam right

[neon tide]

Just had a recruiter tell me to make a two page resume with a summary statement at the top

[neon tide]

@pulsar mural why is lockheed like this

[chilly burrow]

JS 100%

Javascript is used at tons of companies

[lone rapids]

He is talking about jane street ig and not javascript ig

[chilly burrow]

Oh

JS 100%

[thick knoll]

Damn

[obsidian crater]

it's over

Getting laid off from Raytheon

[neon tide]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

oh yeah raytheon subreddit starting to have a lot of layoff discussion

for a generally dead sub

[pure mauve]

but its RDP program vs tiktok swe tho

[chilly burrow]

Oh i missed dat

Idk den

Tiktok SWE is good

But tuff wlb

[lime moth]

anyone know what first round Lockheed Martin interview is like?

[young peak]

Morning losers

How are we doing today

[winter sonnet]

Did any of you all interview for full time position while you were at your internship? If so, how did you manage your time and scheduling? Is it just better to wait till after the internship is complete? Not sure when I should start applying for new grad, full-time positions.

[lunar hatch]

Depends maybe still JS

Easy to jump to other hft

[late kestrel]

also tiktok is kinda a ?

who knows whats gonna happen

[lone rapids]

Gooby and nuwin you both go to cmu right?

[lone rapids]

Better than you google slave

[young peak]

Okay brokey

CMU kids always coming in like they're from Ivies

[late kestrel]

check the usnews ranking

[lone rapids]

Not some all

[young peak]

Doesn't even come top 20 https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

[tawdry nacelle]

Hey so I’m sitting on an offer for an IT analyst position from ADT that I have until tomorrow at 5 to accept, I’m graduating next month with no SWE experience besides class and personal projects and no real luck finding a job, should I take it or keep holding out for a ft job

[young peak]

Just accept

And keep looking

Renege after you get a good offer

[tawdry nacelle]

Would it count as relevant experience tho?

[late kestrel]

lol i go to a random big state school so im mostly kidding

but i think cs rankings r more relevant

[young peak]

Depends on how you word it

And what you actually do

[livid yew]

@late kestrel your school ain't random dude

Mine is ranked 127 on that list

[young peak]

Nothing you actually do matters realistically. It's just how you present it into your resume/portfolio or whatever

[late kestrel]

lol wtf u mean mine isnt much better

[livid yew]

[young peak]

Interesting work is very subjective but yeah that's kinda true

[late kestrel]

oh whale i like sports too much so im the real winner

[young peak]

The formula that works rn is:

CS degree in the US + Some internships (SWE) + 1-2 fake ahh projects + good resume + good LC ability + good soft skills

Gotta think about per step too.

To pass a resume stage you need a good resume. What does a good resume mean? What does it consist of etc

To pass an OA you need good LC, so just grind top tagged until your brain understands

To pass a virtual/phone/final you need LC + soft skills to explain your process. Best advice here is to do mock interviews and grade yourself according to the Meta 4 point system

[brave forge]

wowow amazing breakdown

how long do u think it would take one to get good at this

[young peak]

If you're anything like most of the folk here, you're probably already good enough.

The biggest challenge isn't actually being able to do what I typed above. It's waiting for the economy to recover so you actually have a fair shot lol

I lucked out as a 2022 grad so I got 8 big offers

Idk if I can replicate that again..

Ofc they nego

A bit harder if you don't have other offers

But if you got some competing ones (and they can be lower too) then yeah def can nego

Cisco TC is shit though, so the ceiling is pretty low

[tawdry nacelle]

Would it be a bad idea to put it on my resume before I start if I accept

[neon tide]

How you nego with competing offer being lower offer? Hope they don’t ask for offer letter or an email?

Or make it sound like you’d consider lower paying role with company B?

[west egret]

Mine isn’t that far off from yours lol

[neon tide]

mine is 150+

[toxic wren]

Can anyone share frequently asked Google questions

[fallen fox]

#leetcode-bot

[jovial latch]

no

[tawdry nacelle]

They can’t ask for an offer letter or email

[jovial latch]

i literally graduate in like a month god i fucking hate my life

hate everything rn

[neon tide]

huh? there's nothing that restricts this

is there something in a specific state that makes it illegal or something

definitely not a national restriction

[timber rock]

this is my last week of uni i gotta get on the last minute lc grind after this

still holding out hope for the Amazon unfreeze tbh..

[jovial latch]

ive been so fucking emotionally volatile

im gonna go insane if i have to attend graduation ceremony with no fucking job, itsn ot like my parents understand the damn job m arket either

[tawdry nacelle]

In Europe, yes, but also it can be viewed badly on the company when they ask for that.

Also I don’t trust the company to try and not get the other company to rescind their offer to you

[neon tide]

oh yeah, there's nothing that stops this in the US. Google is notorious for asking for proof here

[rain patio]

are you indian?

[brave forge]

yes he is

[obsidian crater]

same lol

[rain patio]

if you don't get in you can just get a grad degree or go to a country with better immigration system

[timber rock]

yeah just move country that seems like an easy and not stressful at all solution

[timber rock]

Same bro

But we're gonna make it 🤝

[rain patio]

if you are laid off, you will be deported lol

[timber rock]

us immigration system is wild

[rain patio]

tbh if i somehow get a return offer, I don't even mind if I don't get picked in H1-B at all

which is already unlikely

That is exactly what is wrong with this system. Family based immigration should never be prioritized over Skill

[outer radish]

anyone know if TA ship contributes to resume

looking to do something over the summer whille looking for a FT job

[sleek owl]

I guess anything is better than nothing

[obsidian crater]

I wish there were jobs hiring kek

[outer radish]

i've got three internships and tech lead at the csclub at school

so at this point its definitely diminishing returns

yeah damn your resume stacked, yeah this would be for a java based software design principles course

[agile arrow]

Any international students still jobless like me??
I have 3 years of work-ex and 2 internships.
Applied to 300+ companies. Have gotten only 2 interviews this whole cycle 😦
Just want someone to feel depressed with.

[livid yew]

grad student

[neon tide]

gang

one internship that was a joke and shouldn't really count, and now first real internship this summer. have time to stack it up tho

hopefully big tech next summer

[tardy geode]

most south indians mostly game the system

i may sound a bit racist but its a harsh truth

filing h1 through consultancies even before graduating

FFS

[neon perch]

+1

[timber rock]

don't hate the player hate the game

[rain patio]

Wouldn't be a problem without the H1-B system (slave visa). The US Government doesn't even want to have a skill based immigration system like other countries

[timber rock]

yeah US immigration law is wild

[rain patio]

People may not like Trump but his RAISE act would have been so helpful to so many people
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/354

[timber rock]

here in the uk we have a 2 year graduate visa for uni grads and you dont even need a job for it

[rain patio]

Country cap based GCs is a barbarian system

[obsidian crater]

I guess you're not wrong but H1B is kinda dumb to begin with

Mostly the lottery system part

[rain patio]

Imagine if they introduce country caps on H1Bs as well

[elfin trellis]

All South Indians?? excuse me...
I'm a south Indian and I've never filed more than one. Stop generalising and blame those companies which are doing it please.

[obsidian crater]

My complaint with the H1-B lottery is that it just makes it harder for US companies to fill positions. For example, my friend works at a certain company and they have to transfer employees who didn't get H1-B to Canada every few years - and this was from 2010-2020 back when there was a lot of demand, so it's not like these engineers were "stealing" jobs.

[rain patio]

US Companies like H1-B, they contract a lot of work to these consultancies and get cheap labor who are pretty much forced to work for them which is why H1-B is still in place

[obsidian crater]

H1-B isn't cheap labor though

Isn't there a minimum salary requirement?

[rain patio]

It is, these people won't expect promotions, benefits or anything and they would work without complaints for as long as these companies want

because if not they will be deported

[obsidian crater]

True

[rain patio]

The minimum wage is nothing, I remember it being like 100K in the san francisco area which is close to poverty

[obsidian crater]

Isn't the average wage in SF like $73K

https://smartasset.com/retirement/average-salary-in-san-francisco

not really poverty

[rain patio]

well that is an exaggeration but it is not great either, tech workers make a lot more in that area

[livid yew]

Just don't live in SF, problem solved

[tardy geode]

*most

[tardy geode]

*most

[livid yew]

idk from 100K to 300K, you could afford a better car, maybe even a house

[timber rock]

the cscd definition of not-poverty is having your own apartment in the city centre and ordering doordash 3 meals a day

[livid yew]

at least a downpayment

[tardy geode]

hi techie

[livid yew]

well yeah a lot of CS people actually do DD way too much

[tardy geode]

techie refer us and make bank

[livid yew]

just cook

[tardy geode]

let him cook

bruh

[livid yew]

even if I couldk afford DoorDash 3 times a day, I would not

[tardy geode]

💀 well okay

[timber rock]

i wld get so fat eating doordash every day

[livid yew]

[neon tide]

id rather get a fancy meal prep service if i could afford that

[livid yew]

I think I get DD once a week

I don't mind the 45min-1hr for dinner prep

kinda a nice break from work

[tardy geode]

@lunar sonnet i apologise

[livid yew]

my fridge consists off various meats, veggies, yogurts, berries, beer, sparkling water

I will forever be a beer-loving midwestern dude

[tardy geode]

i have seen cases where they pay 5k to some no name consultancy , they get picked also but then fked in the interview and get denied

[timber rock]

throwback to cscd salary talk

[tardy geode]

instead of them getting picked up it could have been someone else who had fairly filed it

[livid yew]

40k on doordash

bruh most of my dd is like $15-20 a meal

[tardy geode]

i said i apologise

yes ik

[livid yew]

I might be moving jobs soon

[tardy geode]

refer us there and make bank

[livid yew]

nah

Google rejected me the past 2 yrs

[fervent drift]

UR LEAVING ME?