2023_grads

[split plaza]

Did anyone here get a Box phone

[sleek owl]

Bedstuy

[sonic coral]

Ah yeah the train there is def solid enough to not need a car

But if you’re in like one of the subway deserts where there’s either one line or not even a line close by cars def help

[stone granite]

I agree it’s your choice. But imo I don’t want to sacrifice WLB because (imo again) I don’t want issues from overworking like back issues, carpal tunnel etc etc. life should be enjoyed at every age but that’s just my life philosophy

[lone copper]

Also you can’t use your fingers for other stuff if you have carpal tunnel 👀

[stone granite]

Grind and hustle but keep the tempo consistent to a degree where you don’t experience burnout

[sonic coral]

Always put in max 80% tbh

I heard that somewhere

[stone granite]

Aside from jokes 😂👌 yea carpal is no joke you can’t carry weight with CT and all. DONT GET CT! Warmup your hands and fingers everyday before using the keyboard

Grip exercises also help

[lone copper]

Is it just me that keeps getting spammed for my crypto wallet that has like $5 in it

I feel like they know when I open the email and they just send another one

[serene nymph]

Yea bro wtf

[rain patio]

Hi

im completing a take home coding challenge. i've completed most of it, for the last step they want me to "make the code production ready". I'm only allowed to use the python standard library for this. So no docker, etc. Is there a list of things I can look into?

• I've looked into the code quality using the pep8 plugin and wrote some test cases but cant think of anything more

[jovial latch]

god forbid you're doing your work for them

[tardy geode]

WTF

[nova vale]

Yea make sure you're validating results from that the things you're relying on (e.g. if you're pulling from an endpoint make sure it's up/handle errors gracefully or checking that all fields are there if you're reading from a file)

[rain patio]

i haven't done any error handling on it, ty ty

[ornate cliff]

Wasn't it posted like yesterday?

Damn

Holy shit 🤣🤣

[nova vale]

Yeah basically I think part of being production ready is that it still "works" if other systems don't

[plush lily]

How do you know if you have it?

[stone granite]

Pain/numbness near your wrist. You have difficulty lifting weight you had no difficulty lifting previously.

There is a test with electrodes that properly diagnoses carpal tunnel

[plush lily]

I might have it💀💀💀

[ornate cliff]

Also if your fingers feel tingly

That means the nerve is getting pinched

[serene nymph]

I did btw, cleared it already

But backend is gone

[obsidian crater]

lol one day

[fossil jewel]

twas me not long ago

now it’s work in manhattan

[serene nymph]

also, companies are starting to lowball

box frontend is paying $103,500—$129,500 USD

levels reports $194K for entry level

[jovial latch]

yea well im just trying to find any fucking job

[serene nymph]

fuk should have done grad school

[jovial latch]

i got a masters, which worked out very well for me

very fucking well

[plush crane]

That’s probably just base salary

[jovial latch]

so well it changed nothing

[serene nymph]

[serene nymph]

i spoke with recruiter, they said that's it lol

i think for backend its 115 - 130k

[plush crane]

Lol wow

[serene nymph]

sign in bonus was like 2 or 3k i think lol

[obsidian crater]

how tf did box fill the position in one day

[prisma flax]

maybe internal

[serene nymph]

includes stock, afaik

i may be misunderstanding but i did hear total compensation with stock at X (cant remember) is about 130 max, if you do well in interviews

[ornate cliff]

I can't believe they filled the position already LMMAAAOOOOO

We're fucked

[serene nymph]

i had high hopes and doubled down on the leetcode grinding lol

but rip i guess

[atomic oxide]

Could be one of those situations where Box makes it look like they were hiring to the external world

I'm pretty sure I saw these same job postings at Box back in September

[ornate cliff]

What was the phone screen like?

[serene nymph]

just salary expectations, resume check, check youre human lol

[obsidian crater]

it's over

:pepe

[serene nymph]

recruiter reached out and made it quickly

[cloud zinc]

box already filled their positon?

shit I just applied to their role yesterday

[obsidian crater]

I hate college sometimes

I want to grind leetcode but I gotta do this stupid project

[cloud zinc]

second this. Fuck the project

[serene nymph]

fuck college bro

fuck exams

fuck everything

[cloud zinc]

nah do enough to get the degree, but don't let that stop you from grinding

[atomic oxide]

Tbh I got all my offers off of strong behavioral interviews considering my LC skills are god awful

[cloud zinc]

I took some bad advice that told me to do no grinding and put all of my eggs into projects and this led to almost seven months of unemployment and ongoing

[grizzled bronze]

Where did you find out the position is filled?

[obsidian crater]

someone here said so

[atomic oxide]

wapencio talked to a recruiter at Box yesterday for his phone screen

[tender sluice]

LOOOOOOL

[ornate cliff]

Well if your resume had nothing on it then yeah makes sense

[stone granite]

Yea I think behavioral saved my ass for both my internship and fulltime

[prime palm]

Holy hell you already got an offer?

[ornate cliff]

He said it was filled by the time he got phone screen

[lone rapids]

He just saying they pay that mcuh

[west egret]

In my experience, projects are mostly useful for the first position because it gets you noticed. Once you have an internship or other role it doesn’t matter much.

[prime palm]

I see

[west egret]

Like my projects are actually just memes I did for fun in the span of 3 days.

LC is universally useful for most SWE roles

[serene nymph]

btw its only backend closing, not fullstack

[ornate cliff]

Did they just interview and hire the first person that applied? That's crazy 🤣

[west egret]

Yeah you can teach technical skills. It’s a lot harder to teach someone to be a person you want to work with.

Behavioral saved me for FT recruiting.

[stone granite]

Yes definitely. You just can't avoid LC unless you have 10+ years of experience or you are doing something non-tech. I had to LC for OAs etc.

[neon perch]

Extension to redirect you to LC daily no matter what: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/leetcode-forcer/bfhandefodflloblgbmckmildnmangcb

[brave forge]

dang putting us in LC prison

[dusky tapir]

What are y’all’s fav phonk songs?

[ornate cliff]

Ice spice

[dusky tapir]

[ornate cliff]

5.5" at 5'11"

That's tough

Grind LC and size won't matter brother ✊🏼✊🏼✊🏼

[dusky tapir]

It will always matter

[obsidian crater]

As long as you're bigger and better than Paul Allen, all is good.

We all know he's packing 2 inches and can't solve no 2 sum

[obsidian crater]

I don't give a fuck - ghostface playa

[lyric cosmos]

hey guys, how can I get general coding assessment on codesignal? is getting it straight from the company the only way or can I take practice test?

right now my highest is 650 🥲 and I wanna see how I can increase it so that I can share it later on

[ornate cliff]

There's like a generic link from block or something you can find it if you google

I think you need keep making new emails or something

[lyric cosmos]

hmm ok, how about the practice test though? is it just for myself?

[ornate cliff]

The practice test is always the same no?

Kinda useless

[lyric cosmos]

idk

[craggy radish]

That's average size and above average height

[ornate cliff]

So you saying he is disproportionate? Damn...

[craggy radish]

Who says length and height are supposed to be proportional?

[ornate cliff]

You didn't have to violate him like that bro

[craggy radish]

You're a violation

[ornate cliff]

Damn bro some people just have bad luck bro

[tender sluice]

5"3.5 | 3"

Standin on my money Im 5" 😎

[late kestrel]

[ornate cliff]

🐐🐐🐐

[dense ocean]

that’s basically 5’4, but thats also basically 5’5. No one likes odd numbers so that’s basically 5’6. if your 5’6 your basically 5’7. again odd number so your basically 5’8. But ppl always add 3 on dating apps so your basically 5’11. every 5’11 passes themselves as 6’0. so your 6’2 (im 5’3 also) altho i may be packing

[tender sluice]

I put 5"8 on my tinder profile 😎

[cloud zinc]

Exactly my point. And by "projects", they meant pet projects from classes, not actual personal projects

[dense ocean]

thats that concept gym rats call shock the muscle. in this case shock the chick

[narrow harbor]

do some companies automatically give OAs? or is getting a good amount OAs a good sign that my resume is good enough

[pine topaz]

HEY FRICK U

[tender sluice]

FRIK MAN FRIK U

[pine topaz]

FRIOKKITY FRIK OFF

[lone rapids]

650 so u only solve 1?

[lyric cosmos]

so far yeah 🤦‍♂️

but it was couple months ago, so that's why I wanna see how much I can get now

[lone rapids]

Do lc easy alot then q1 and 2 would be doable

[lyric cosmos]

yeah, I also feel like codesignal problems are kinda a little harder than LC

[wet jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/you-guys-are-getting-paid-gif-20686662

you guys are getting CodeSignal OAs?

[pastel bane]

anyone has ideas how to prepare leadership principles questions for Amazon interviews?

[polar fox]

Oh i didnt know they were still doing interviews. Which role are you interviewing for?

[grizzled bronze]

ChatGPT

[pastel bane]

Im not in North America so my situation may not apply

[ornate cliff]

yes

[pastel bane]

what's your suggestion?

Im planning to use chatgpt

[ornate cliff]

huh? why?

The behavioural is very important. Have 2-3 personal experience stories ready that talk about the following LP themes:

1. bias for action 2) customer obsession 3) meeting deadlines

And whenever you're discussing solutions, try to explain your understanding of "scale", aka how your work impacts a huge amount of customers.

https://www.levels.fyi/blog/amazon-leadership-principles.html

Check the link above and familiarize yourself with the questions.

The behavioural could get you through even if you don't get optimal on the technical.

Good luck!!!

idk wtf you're planning to do with chatgpt 😂

[pastel bane]

Thank you!

may I ask where you got all this information?

[ornate cliff]

during my own prep for amazon last summer

[pastel bane]

it is really well and complete

[ornate cliff]

glad I'm of service

those 3 LPs are basically the most important for intern/new grad

there's others too

but you can focus on those 3, then mention the others if you want

[tardy geode]

only prayer and luck can help in this economy

[fallen fox]

[grizzled bronze]

ChatGPT is quick with coming up with examples for each of the LPs, you can use it to help plan out your answers

[ornate cliff]

examples from your own experience?

If you feeding chatgpt your own experience to do that you're like 90% there 😂

[tardy geode]

fk amazon

shittiest company on earth

broken hiring process

[grizzled bronze]

No, like "create sample stories for a software engineer for each of the Amazon leadership principles using STAR format". You can target one LP at a time too and make it generate multiple stories for each one.

I then use those stories as inspiration and as help for making up some white lies

[graceful lily]

Renege databricks for YouTube?

[worthy nova]

Lmao

[chilly burrow]

Tbh depends on the team, what you want, and other factors

[graceful crown]

has anyone interviewed at hcl for junior android developer?

[timber rock]

What're some good questions to ask after a behavioural with a recruiter?

With engineers its easy but I never know what to ask a non technical person who doesn't work with the engineering team lol

[chilly burrow]

• do you enjoy working at company?
• what drew you to company?
• how close is this role to the core function of the company / what potential impact/business outcomes can I produce from this role?
• how do you feel about the future of company?

[robust briar]

Hey does anyone know of a discord / groupchat for Tesla New Grads - thanks!

[chilly burrow]

Check #server-links

Congrats btw

[robust briar]

thanks!!

[teal jackal]

FRIK

[sleek owl]

What do you send when you dm a recruiter after applying to a position?

[jaunty storm]

How can I overcome autism in behavioral interviews?

I’ve been at it for a few months trying to suppress it.

I know that there’s medication, but I’m waiting on a new therapist.

[torn stone]

is sig OA auto?

[rain patio]

Are you speaking from experience?

[prime palm]

'what is your martial status'

[tardy geode]

well you are right

[plush lily]

• What's your net worth?

[clear bear]

most recruiters can give accommodations for the interview process if you email them in advance w what you need. u don't need to disclose any medical information, just let them know.

[lunar hatch]

not sure if it's true

i heard a solid pipeline of zon -> quant

[teal jackal]

Nah it was so easy back then

[teal jackal]

It comes with experience tbh, although you could always ask for minor accommodations.

[thick cave]

lol pls be true

[thick cave]

“Do u offer snacks at the office”

[west egret]

Memes aside, questions about what they like about the company are a safe bet.

[teal jackal]

^

Always my go to

[timber rock]

yea. was actually in the interview when you sent that but thats what i asked lol

how would you guys answer the question "how do you implement a data structure"

it was so broad that i had no idea what to say 😹 i just talked about different methods and attributes that different structures would need and how to write them

[rain patio]

id probably panic too if i heard that question lmao. Maybe I'd go on about what sorts of requirements I need for the use-case, but then I'd probably also ask questions and try to sniff out what exactly they want out of an answer

idk its a strange question to ask, I wonder what they were trying to gauge

[timber rock]

i tried to get more info but she's a non technical hr person and said she doesn't understand most of the qs and answers lol

[rain patio]

bruh lmao

Yeah I guess you're okay then, seems like she just doesn't know what to ask

[tacit grove]

which companies have you gotten your 2 offers at? @west egret

[late kestrel]

[west egret]

I'd approach it from a LC perspective. Like clarify what are the exact needs/characteristics of the DS. Do you need random access? Do certain operations need to have a specific time complexity? I feel like they're prob not looking for an exact "correct answer" but more to see how you approach a problem.

[west egret]

Workday and BB

[dusky mountain]

Anyone who got Bending Spoons round 1 for SDE?

[timber rock]

hate when recruiters call you out of the blue for a phone screen

"why do you want to work here" i dunno man, i forgot what your company is already, ur just one of 200+ apps

[west egret]

"I got bills"

On a funny note, I once asked my interviewer why they chose the company.

They said they had just been laid off and they had a mortgage.

[timber rock]

lol

i respect the honesty

[west egret]

Yeah they were chill af

[west egret]

But if you ever have prep time(even 30 mins), I'd just go to their website and pick something out from their culture/values page

[timber rock]

yea, even if i dont have prep time and they jump straight into it i just stall and give a generic answer while quickly loading up the job desc lol

[young peak]

Usually I have the job description printed out or turned into bullet points

Same for company values etc

Easily pass all behaviorals that way

[timber rock]

yeah, i was talking about when you get a random phone call and it's a recruiter tho

not scheduled

[teal jackal]

[timber rock]

scheduled ones are pretty easy i just write some notes about the company and role 30 min before

[young peak]

Never had recruiters just randomly call lol sounds so unprofessional

[timber rock]

I dont think it's that common, but it's happened twice in the past 2 days for me so I'm a bit bitter lol

[ornate cliff]

I like to ask recruiters about company culture and diversity efforts... It's usually right up their alley and I'm genuinely interested to hear about it

Unless it's a bot farm like Amazon then don't bother LMAO

I also like to ask for more money 🥰

[ornate cliff]

Is BB best buy or blackberry

[late kestrel]

[livid yew]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1031074463380422697/1082372779451617381/jam.gif

[late kestrel]

[tacit grove]

pretty sure it's Bloomberg

[late kestrel]

nop

[lunar hatch]

i've seen quite a few examples

[late kestrel]

not possible

[lunar hatch]

but zon intern pool is too large

not sure if that's smth concrete

i.e. for cit/2s i've seen 5-6

[ornate cliff]

Does quant even care about zon?

[lunar hatch]

i mean as resume screening, they def do

[ornate cliff]

Must be god tier school students that happened to be at zon

[lunar hatch]

nah if you're targeting swe @ quant places

school tier is not as important

qt/qr diff story tho

[ornate cliff]

[tardy geode]

an apple EM viewed my LI profile but won't accept my request

i had sent it after they viewed

and its been 3 days

[ornate cliff]

@tardy geode next week on LinkedIn: incoming at 🍎

[tardy geode]

i wish

[sonic coral]

It’s actually Blockbuster

[west egret]

During my first season, I actually thought BB was Blackberry when most ppl used the acronym.

#2022_summer message

[tardy geode]

no its bloomberg

did you try defense companies ? ( i am assuming you are a citizen)

wait

you graduated last fall

then how are you maintaining your status ?

RA stuff?

[sonic coral]

Sorry bro blockbuster is top tier

Get that bloomberg shit outta here

[tardy geode]

no worries

[tardy geode]

[sonic coral]

Mikey b ain’t got nothing on blockbuster

[tardy geode]

they rejected me after perfect finals

so it hurts till today

[prime palm]

Blooooooooombergggggggggggg

[sonic coral]

https://tenor.com/view/blockbuster-commercial-80s-video-rental-blockbuster-video-gif-19163680

[tardy geode]

y u bully me chrispy

[prime palm]

hey

i also got reject after final

[tardy geode]

[prime palm]

it's ok

fuck C++

at least i don't need to learn that fker

python gang for life >>

[tardy geode]

oh so they make you learn that shit?

[prime palm]

yes bro like 98% of that company is C++ lol

[tardy geode]

oh man

then no regrets

[prime palm]

GEE GEE

[tardy geode]

oh so that bootcamp thing is basically them teaching c++?

[prime palm]

ya

[tardy geode]

damn

[timber rock]

my bb interviewer told me all the tech is super outdated

lol

[tardy geode]

i thought those are for bootcamp hires

but they pay well right?

150k base or somethin

[timber rock]

they pay the same as faang here idk the numbers for US

[tardy geode]

oh

[prime palm]

yeah

Company: Bloomberg
Location: NYC
Salary: 155k
Perf Bonus: 35k
TC: 190k

they're high as fuck

no stonks though

all cash

[obsidian crater]

my uncle works at BB

They use really old tech he said

[livid yew]

Nice TC

[tardy geode]

i have 0k as TC

[livid yew]

[grizzled bronze]

That's still a lot

Budgeting skills issue

[jovial latch]

i think you're fucking stupid

[rancid token]

isnt 190k like faang level in nyc

[rain patio]

chill lmao

[livid yew]

190K is really good tbh

[grizzled bronze]

Nah, you've been spending too much time on blind though

[rain patio]

if you live in queens and commute via lirr you can get 1k apt if u room with a significant other

[livid yew]

1k rent would be poggers

[rain patio]

queens is goated anyways

[rancid token]

ill gladly take 190k and just commute from nj

[livid yew]

Yeah if I get NYC job I'll just move up to NJ

[rain patio]

nj is cool too

[rancid token]

hell i might even have to do that but with 105k lol

[livid yew]

Or just work remote from Philadelphia

I am trying to lower my rent tho

2K is absurd

180k base

[rain patio]

u in phili paying 2k?

[livid yew]

?

Yeah

Lol

[rancid token]

for nyc?

[rain patio]

i wasnt aware phili was that expensive tbh

[livid yew]

To be fair, I live in center city

[grizzled bronze]

I'd personally live in NY with that money, not worth commuting from NJ to me

[livid yew]

Like 3 blocks from the office

Once I move out of the city, I'll pay like 1.3-1.6k

[rain patio]

inspirational

[livid yew]

My TC is only 145

2k rent

[rain patio]

thats like top cs %ile

[rancid token]

very

[livid yew]

Yeah I got a high band offer at Comcast here in Philadelphia

[ornate cliff]

my tc is zero canadian dollars

[livid yew]

Yep

I'm actually probably gonna buy a condo next year

[ornate cliff]

LFGGG

[rancid token]

oh damn nice

[rain patio]

buying in early 20's is such a flex

[shrewd ivy]

buying a house?

[livid yew]

I did some math

[tardy geode]

Salesforce had another round of layoffs wtf

[livid yew]

It's doable

[rain patio]

i owe 80k from student loans lmaooo not happening for a while

[livid yew]

[west egret]

Exaggerated tbh

[tardy geode]

saw a linkedin post

[west egret]

COL and taxes won’t just erase nearly half your money

[rain patio]

no car payment/insurance is nice

just commute everywhere in nyc via metro

[livid yew]

Yeah I've been commuting/walking pretty much everywhere

Only drive when I'm in Jersey

[tardy geode]

https://fortune.com/longform/marc-benioff-salesforce-cost-cuts-layoffs-acquisitions-efficiency/

where is OHANA now 💀

[ornate cliff]

salesforce tower legit a ghost town

[rain patio]

wat that mean

[west egret]

Should we start a gofundme for you?

[rain patio]

what for

[ornate cliff]

i need to move somewhere new and start a new chapter

where should I go

[rain patio]

boise idaho

[ornate cliff]

I think I prefer east... I don't work a job

[livid yew]

Nah I'm chilling

[ornate cliff]

Ideally avoid the states where school shootings happen

[west egret]

Idk man it hurts my soul to knowing a server homie isn’t driving around in a lambo

Like why even work at that point

[prime palm]

190k TC is low in NYC??

[timber rock]

average cscd user

[ornate cliff]

it's pretty low

[livid yew]

Lambo is gross

Yeah that's about right

[rain patio]

fr?

[prime palm]

nah

[livid yew]

Yeah just use common sense

Like compared to where you currently live

[oak patrol]

What is this ramp challenge about?
https://0ijq1i6sp1.execute-api.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/dev

[rain patio]

if you live in the ghetto like me, prices are similar to middle of nowhere new york

[tardy geode]

my friend has 100K TC in SoCal

idk if thats good

[ornate cliff]

Rent Prices in Philadelphia, PA are 51.7% lower than in New York, NY

[prime palm]

etf

california on 100k?

[livid yew]

Source?

[prime palm]

do they live at home

[ornate cliff]

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+States&city1=New+York%2C+NY&country2=United+States&city2=Philadelphia%2C+PA#:~:text=You would need around 5%2C877.0,earnings (after income tax).

[tardy geode]

yeah bro , nope . has a private room

[livid yew]

Yep I pay 2000 flat

[prime palm]

where

[livid yew]

That website pretty accurate

[prime palm]

in nyc?

[livid yew]

Center city Philadelphia

[prime palm]

o

[ornate cliff]

studio or 1BR?

[livid yew]

We have been over this

1br

[ornate cliff]

nice

[livid yew]

[rain patio]

is philly nice

[prime palm]

2k in pa?

[livid yew]

Studio is for peasants

[prime palm]

i was looking at 2.7 in nyc

[rain patio]

i hear Kensington is a beauty

[livid yew]

Is your NYC apartment 725sqft tho

I actually don't know the sqft of my place

I mean you aren't forced into social situations

[ornate cliff]

some social is good, need to balance

[rain patio]

if u dont drink u save stupid money in nyc

[ornate cliff]

being a stay at home nerd = not good

[rain patio]

like so much money

[livid yew]

I mean I go out with friends here like 2-3 times a month lol

[prime palm]

wtf

[rain patio]

😡 ?

[prime palm]

what do you do the other 27 days of the month

[livid yew]

Work and stay home idk

It's only weekends

Usually

[ornate cliff]

[livid yew]

Moving from the Midwest, I have no real friends here yet

[rain patio]

yeah when ur like over 22 ur friends move away or u move away

harder to hangout unless you all live in a city

[livid yew]

I don't just go to bar alone, and talk to randoms

My cock ain't big enough

[ornate cliff]

just a small town boy

[timber rock]

i remember someone here saying 250k isnt enough in nyc and then bro posted his budget and he had 110k going to car + doordash combined

[west egret]

Once ppl start having kids, except to see them very rarely

[livid yew]

I have a couple friends with kids

Yep

[ornate cliff]

rip

you can be the cool uncle

[livid yew]

Nah it's chill

[ornate cliff]

"uncle techie can you teach me dynamic programming"

👶🏼

[livid yew]

Yep

[west egret]

I’ve used DoorDash once and it was because I had free credits lmao

[livid yew]

I went to bar last night

[west egret]

I can’t justify spending so much on one meal

[livid yew]

With some peeps

[rain patio]

penn state campus is so massive

[livid yew]

Spent like uhhh $50 on drinks

[west egret]

At least given the quality of the food

[livid yew]

Oh true

Oops

[ornate cliff]

[livid yew]

[ornate cliff]

@dusky tapir

[livid yew]

⏸️

Lemme check my stonks

[west egret]

Idk if I ever went to general

I always just used the channels for the current recruiting season

[livid yew]

Stonks up $110 today

Weak day bro

[rain patio]

#full_timers also good

less neurotic people

[livid yew]

I mean a free extra hundred bucks a day

[dusky tapir]

This shit gets my everytime 🤣

[west egret]

You don’t actually lock on profits until you sell though

[livid yew]

Haven't sold anything yet

The HODL for life

[west egret]

Yeah just leave it tbh

[dusky tapir]

Bro think unrealized gain means he made money

[ornate cliff]

bull run when?

[west egret]

DCA and long term growth

[livid yew]

Yeah I gotta setup auto invest

So it does DCA for me

[ornate cliff]

what ETFs yall in

[livid yew]

DN and your mom

[ornate cliff]

we at the bottom time to buy the fk up

[west egret]

VTSAX, VTIAX, VGSLX

[ornate cliff]

VGRO here in Canada

[livid yew]

I never had that much money in my life lol

[ornate cliff]

vanguard

[livid yew]

Where did you get 250k cash to start with

[west egret]

Bruh

[livid yew]

Or whatever

Oh I just started investing last year

Didn't do any in college

Wasn't aware

[ornate cliff]

i put $1000 into a coin

[west egret]

You can get a pretty big head start if you start with internship money

[ornate cliff]

it's worth $0.000001 now

[livid yew]

My internship paid $24/hr

I never did crypto

It's all a scam

Fucking BTC at like 10K or something now lol

[ornate cliff]

wtf kind of account is giving you 5%

bonds?

that's fucking crazy LOL

nice

for how long?

not bad

[livid yew]

I don't have enough cash lol for that

[west egret]

You can’t control stocks. Just don’t look at them and profit in 10 years.

[dusky tapir]

How much cash ur unemployed ass got? Like 1000?

[ornate cliff]

is it a chequing account with capone?

[dusky tapir]

Why are u on 2023 grads then

[west egret]

That would explain it then

Having 250k in investments isn’t completely out of the ordinary for someone 4 years out

[ornate cliff]

geegee

[west egret]

Yeah but average NG wouldn’t even have the opportunity to lose 250k

[livid yew]

I never got paid much during college

My longest job was part time work, $11/hr

And I had to buy food and stuff lol

[ornate cliff]

bless

[livid yew]

They laid for my ugrad

I don't plan on doing a masters ever

I don't see the appeal

[ornate cliff]

no need unless you international lmao

techie you said you work at comcast?

[livid yew]

They will pay for part of a masters

But like

[rain patio]

dont

[ornate cliff]

what was your masters in?

yeah what area in CS

isnt masters like specialized?

[rain patio]

afaik most cs programs don't have specialties you just take your algo course and whatever other courses you want

[ornate cliff]

oh nice nice

[rain patio]

wish I had those courses in my masters

have to go through this on my own

[livid yew]

I think if I had the time for masters id do it

Or get a second FT job

[rain patio]

https://pdos.csail.mit.edu/6.824/

[livid yew]

Having extra cash would be nice

Well I'm probably staying here thru 2023

[rain patio]

did u do ur masters full time or wat

[ornate cliff]

i kinda wanna spend tho

[rain patio]

how many courses per sem

[rain patio]

real

[ornate cliff]

i want house car travel

[livid yew]

I spent more than I made last month

[rain patio]

bruh

not me struggling through CS masters part-time and unemployed

idk how you did both

[livid yew]

Rent due this weekend

[rain patio]

honestly impressive tho njnj

[ornate cliff]

time to invest in grass touching

[rain patio]

lmao fair enough

[lunar hatch]

salesforce laid off again?

saw smth on linkedin

[tardy geode]

yeah

[lunar hatch]

damn

[tardy geode]

my friend got laid off

they were in slack

[lunar hatch]

rip

[tardy geode]

he had booked a Tesla few weeks back

[ornate cliff]

damn

[lunar hatch]

this economy is not going anywhere

[tardy geode]

this economy is trash , and filled with anxiety 24x7

[ornate cliff]

a lot of companies were riding on complete bullshit

[rain patio]

is designing data-intensive applications a good introduction to backend?

[ornate cliff]

this cleansing is hopefully good in the long term

[tardy geode]

check mine

[ornate cliff]

only "strong" businesses will suvive

[tardy geode]

no , start with educative sys design one .

#2022_grad_process was popping with offers

and #2023_grad_process popping with rejects

[west egret]

Yeah but people from there could have been laid off as well

[rain patio]

? educative.io "Grokking Modern System Design Interview for Engineers & Managers"?

[tardy geode]

yea

it helped me pass my sys design interview

[ornate cliff]

sys design as a ng?

[tardy geode]

i found it on github somewhere

[ornate cliff]

😦

[tardy geode]

intern 💀

fr

last year

[ornate cliff]

LOL wtf where at?

[livid yew]

[ornate cliff]

can you pls share... I need inspo

[livid yew]

Should I get afternoon coffee or not?

[rain patio]

yes

[tardy geode]

[livid yew]

The ultimate question

[lunar hatch]

but actually what would be the sys design interview's expectation for new grads vs senior?

[ornate cliff]

reveal yourself

[west egret]

I mean consider that some people embelish their resumes

[livid yew]

Lol I'm already at the cafe

[tardy geode]

@livid yew yes , you can have the afternoon coffee

[rain patio]

what do you usually order

[livid yew]

Oh just a iced coffee today

Nothing Fruffy

Fruity

Fancy

[west egret]

try some cold brew

[lunar hatch]

i think every time in a sys design interview i tried to go from db schema to rest api and down to sharding+replication strategy

[tardy geode]

some girls recite their coffee order at starbucks like its some shakespeare wild poetry .

[livid yew]

I usually do that instead in the morning

[lunar hatch]

but interviewer would say don't go too in-depth

and they just let me pass after i talked about high-level structures

[ornate cliff]

probably just testing nooby design skills

👍🏼

[west egret]

so most NGs lmao

[livid yew]

[ornate cliff]

hit the game not the players

[lunar hatch]

yeah i never prepared any of those

[cloud zinc]

that tiktok trend of singing orders always bothered me. Like you're just inconveniencing under-aged workers for clout

[teal jackal]

Sysdesign is usually extremely high level for a new grad

[ornate cliff]

@teal jackal

[teal jackal]

Like they'll basically tell you your options and have you decide among them

Not exactly sysdesign by then

[ornate cliff]

@teal jackal

[lunar hatch]

i just used some algo/ds concepts + some knowledge from full-stack/distributed course

in school

[rain patio]

i usually find those in cringe compilations now so thankfully society has moved on from that

[lunar hatch]

yeah tbh

some problems can be very interesting

[outer radish]

ngl im not tryna blame anyone but tik tok influencers that talk about how SWE is a simple ass job where u can make 200k kinda fucked this market

[teal jackal]

It's a recession man

[cloud zinc]

I wish nothing but the worst for those dregs of the market.

[outer radish]

naw its definitely wonsulting

[teal jackal]

Recession creates hard times

[rain patio]

lowkey I came here from tiktok lmao

[ornate cliff]

tiktokers did not fuck this market

[outer radish]

this is why we gotta ban tik tok

[ornate cliff]

10% inflation did

[outer radish]

after I've worked there as a SWE for 2 years tho

thats facts

but the amount of people i see on cscareers in completel different careers looking to pivot because they're expecting to get 200k plus out the gate is fucked

[rain patio]

tiktok probably helped saturate the frontend market a bit but def not anything else tho

[teal jackal]

I think the problem with tiktokers is that day in the life mfs are the reason why the general public wants a populist and tough-on-tech approach to policy

[outer radish]

also is anyone looking to sauce my unemployed ass a referral

free nuggies guaranteed

[teal jackal]

Honestly cs major = new business major

Degree worth nothing towards job qualifications

The bar to stay at meta used to be nonexistent

[west egret]

Homie was LCing next to you

[teal jackal]

I think they went 2 years with a performance review freeze

[outer radish]

i swear ICs put in bare work

my IC3 at zon was working round the clock

[ornate cliff]

I had 3 different managers during my amazon internship 💀

it was like a fkn assemnly line of uselessness

[outer radish]

my manager said im dipping to microsoft half way through mine

"i hate managing im just tryna code"

[ornate cliff]

when was your internship

[outer radish]

past summer

[ornate cliff]

LMAO same... no return?

[outer radish]

yeah no return

no manager and my skip was on sabbatical

[west egret]

did he put in your intern eval before he left?

[teal jackal]

Amazon sucks lol
My manager took a 6 week fucken vacation

During my internship

[rain patio]

yikes

[ornate cliff]

Same.... but I didn't really finish my project... I just got the stamp on my resume and dipped

1 week in I was like no fucking way I'm working here

[outer radish]

i finished my project and knocked my presentation outta the park

[teal jackal]

Honestly I wish my team could be impacted by Amazon layoffs

[outer radish]

they just said sorry we on a freeze

[ornate cliff]

holy fuck that's really unlucky

[outer radish]

yeah i had to wait like 1 1/2 months on another team before i could literally finish the last portio

[ornate cliff]

idk about next level.... but some design is expected

[teal jackal]

Seems like my team didn't get impacted at all by layoffs for some wild reason

My team does literally nothing useful

[ornate cliff]

sounds like my team LMAO

[outer radish]

holy shit what lmao thats crazy

[ornate cliff]

fb makes some rowdy compilers

[rain patio]

If you're applying for backend internships would a compiler project help? always confused about how unrelated projects are perceived

[outer radish]

WE BOOSTIN NEW GRAD 2024 THO GANG

[west egret]

My mentor left for a diff company about halfway through my internship. Then I got a rejection email from that company for their Summer 2022 internship the monday after.

[teal jackal]

I think people who worked more with high level frameworks will have better sysdesign experience and people working on low level Wont, but they'll have hard dev skills instead

[lunar hatch]

lmao

sounds like my os hw

[livid yew]

[outer radish]

yo idk why but this seems wild for an internship

at that point they might as well start paying u ft

[ornate cliff]

eh.... probably not but it's better than nothing.... but why not apply to embedded/low level positions?

[rain patio]

cause i have two fullstack and two lower level projects haha

[outer radish]

yo anyone looking at competitive programming btw

[ornate cliff]

that's fucked 😂

[ornate cliff]

sick dude go for both

[outer radish]

thinking if im unemployed this summer i might as well just go all out

[teal jackal]

Mood, and the Amazon internship resume value went through the gutter this year man

[ornate cliff]

LOL yeah kinda it's so funny

Amazon bottom tier faang value

Still thankful it's better than nothing

[teal jackal]

What else can u study and practice

[teal jackal]

For real I could be a lot worse off

[ornate cliff]

yes I'm still thankful

[teal jackal]

[ornate cliff]

I'm non aws af

LMAO

[teal jackal]

Amazon produces people who are good at sysdesign because every intern has to go through design doc review

[outer radish]

tbh idk, just hella d

[outer radish]

and they rip ur shit to shreds so you're so good by the second review meeting

[ornate cliff]

That was my favourite part lmao... it was the only portion of the internship where I interacted wit the team

[west egret]

Sounds toxic

[outer radish]

yeah lowkey it was

[west egret]

High key*

[outer radish]

i was chastised for conferring with my mentor rather than with a senior SDE on the team for advice on my design doc

like what the fuck

[ornate cliff]

it's sort of on purpose... it's not bad intentioned just over-criticising your design and you have to defend or refine

[teal jackal]

I learned the most there lol

[ornate cliff]

helps you learn a lot

[rain patio]

damn yall selling amazon

[teal jackal]

Not toxic, I think constructive but harsh criticism is needed

[rain patio]

next szn

[outer radish]

is there even gonnna b a next szn for real

[ornate cliff]

amazon design and writing culture 👍🏼 ... the rest is utter dogshit

[west egret]

Yeah it depends on the manner in which it was conducted

[ornate cliff]

I hated my team so much LMAO

[west egret]

Obviously I don’t have actual experience with Zon

[cloud zinc]

how many months after rejection from amazon until you can reapply for their entry level role?

[teal jackal]

Honestly for the peer review process, the second design review is just rubber stamping

[ornate cliff]

cool down used to be 6 months

[rain patio]

Amazon != AWS right?

[cloud zinc]

used to?

[ornate cliff]

same hiring pipeline... getting AWS is rng

[ornate cliff]

idk if it changed in recession

[rain patio]

Oh word

[teal jackal]

Aws assignment is rng

[ornate cliff]

you gotta look out for yourself... managers will throw the team under the bus and dip and its gg to your promotion LMAO

[teal jackal]

Anyways a lot of people went gigatryhard for their internship, I saw motherfuckers work til 2am

Bruh

Anyways momo is right, everyone is looking out for themselves first at Amazon. The smart who get promoted aren't afraid to use others for their goal

[ornate cliff]

sometimes I wish I did that.... but I'm not gonna work there lmao

even in a recession and jobless I'm like yeah no.... I'm good

[teal jackal]

I'm out of the frying pan into the fire

[ornate cliff]

whatchu gonna do at hive

industry hire is different from student program

[outer radish]

tbh the return for zon canada or united states is pretty juicy

i worked 12 hour days for that 178k bag

[ornate cliff]

ya it's a jumbo bag

[outer radish]

better than the 17.28 $/hour bag at mcdonalds

no offense to my mcdonalds homies

[ornate cliff]

gota start somewhere

[teal jackal]

But I can't confirm or deny if my intern colleagues got return offers

I never asked or mentioned it to them

[ornate cliff]

all my teammates got return LOL

they grinded

[teal jackal]

I'm suspecting no

Tbh

For my intern colleagues

[ornate cliff]

basically anyone who finishes gets it

I'm surprised wendy didn't

[teal jackal]

Low-key my team set us up to fail kek

[ornate cliff]

[cloud zinc]

If you're applying to a past internship company, and they do not have an internal hiring pipeline, should you send an application as if you were a new employee?

[ornate cliff]

yeah basically

but you have contacts? can't you slide in DM?

[cloud zinc]

I'm still thinking about getting back into MITRE, but everytime I mention my past internship or request a recommendation, I get ignored + cold rejected

[shut crescent]

I did a $16 hr DE internship in the bay

[teal jackal]

Ouch

Guess you just cold applu

[shut crescent]

Turned into a 6 figure salary tho

[cloud zinc]

its stupid too because I did really well in the internship and got some great reviews from my supervisors

hell, even the staff at their career fair booth told me that I should keep pestering them for a return offer or something, which was counter-productive

[teal jackal]

This is why I want financial independence

So I can pull the plug and quit the workforce if I get too sick of this shit to carry on

[ornate cliff]

Do you have your managers email? Hit him up directly

[cloud zinc]

I did and they ghosted me

[ornate cliff]

PREACH

[cloud zinc]

all three of 'em too

[ornate cliff]

What the fuck unlucky

[cloud zinc]

so fucking unlucky

[ornate cliff]

Fuck mitre

[cloud zinc]

worst part about it is how this isn't even out of spite

[ornate cliff]

👿👿👿

[cloud zinc]

they have a knack for forgetting things, and Its been a well known problem that caused high attrition rates.

[ornate cliff]

Fuck that place

You gonna get 2sig

Keep grinding

[cloud zinc]

but I'm going to keep applying because that is one of the only companies that has my work history on file

[teal jackal]

wait 2sig?

does MITRE have a grudge against you

or anyone in there

i think itd be safe to cold apply if you didnt leave on a bad note

[shut crescent]

U didn’t get return offer from 3 different internships?

[teal jackal]

man how the FUCK do some people have kids at such a young age

[ornate cliff]

By being mormon

Or great family support

[teal jackal]

starting families and shit and already living life, what the fuck am i stressing about with my life

[ornate cliff]

@teal jackal time to have kids

[teal jackal]

nah idt i can

im an autist and i wouldnt want to create another generation of autists

[ornate cliff]

🤣

You turned out fine

[cloud zinc]

Fuck no. Its such a bad situation that I could not get a return offer even if I earned one. MKS had an intern-only full-stack team that has nothing but embedded jobs for full-time employees, and MarginEdge is a startup that I don't have to explain anything beyond svb.

[teal jackal]

oh yeah, at my first internship it was so clear that they were hiring 6-month interns to save money over hiring full time teams

[cloud zinc]

There was a plan to schedule an interview for return offer eligibility at MITRE, but they forgot after three months

[teal jackal]

we got paid $30/hour, not a bad gig for incompetent sophomores tho

fully remote too

[ornate cliff]

Autistic kids are a fucking nightmare to raise

😅

Autism passes down through father iirc

[shut crescent]

I got paid $16 then part time $35 and now I start full time next week for $55/hr it honestly doesn’t matter how low u start cuz they rip interns off everywhere

Im still getting ripped off

[teal jackal]

shit well that explains everything

[shut crescent]

I hate this economy

Companies are being so scummy

Like more than usual man

[ornate cliff]

@lunar sonnet where do you work

[teal jackal]

two extremes to autists:
cracked
never figure themselves out

im grateful im a lot closer to cracked than never figured myself out

[ornate cliff]

Wdym never figure yourself out

[teal jackal]

Idk how to explain it

[rain patio]

isn't autism also associated with fixations?

[teal jackal]

yep

[rain patio]

it would be advantageous if your fixation was on distributed computing or TC as a SWE I guess but most of the time it's just a giant hurdle

[dusky tapir]

Are y’all unemployed or something? Why are the same people talking in here 24/7

[teal jackal]

dont start til may

[rain patio]

funemployed

[teal jackal]

my fixation is on using computers, i admit that i do find satisfaction in software development but my biggest fixation is cars

[dusky tapir]

Software development is retarded I’m just here for the money

[late kestrel]

@dusky tapir why hasnt your tc changed yet

you should have job hopped 10x by now

[rain patio]

i wish i had a passion for leetcode

just wake up in the mornign and get excited as i do todays daily

[teal jackal]

I'm motivated enough to be a software developer but not motivated enough to actually treat it as my one and only goal in life

maybe I someday will

I think I'm suffering from brain rot rn

[rain patio]

same. thankfully swe is interesting and tends to have good wlb relatively speaking

so theres plenty of time & money for other shit

[teal jackal]

honestly once I buy a fast car I'll have pretty much accomplished all my material goals in life

[outer radish]

yes i am

[jovial latch]

just need a job

god

[dusky tapir]

I can’t wait for ai baddies to be released My life will be complete and I’ll just use drugs all day

[teal jackal]

I think I want a rear-wheel drive alfa romeo giulia probably

even if i miss out on the manual trans

the italian driving experience is just one of a kind with petrol cars

I'd do it with circular spokes on the rims, red interior, white exterior, sunroof, ti package(improves handling)

[whole berry]

oh yeah great choice

the busso is a sexy engine

[sleek owl]

I have a phone interview in ten minutes and I am not ready at all 😭

Haven’t been leetcoding

And my anxiety is on the roof

Worst they can say is no

[livid yew]

Just breathe and relax for a couple minutes

[teal jackal]

the bussy

[tardy geode]

are you a staff swe or something ? i mean i am just curious

[fervent fern]

what company

[tardy geode]

companies lowballing , market is trash

worst combo ever

[sleek owl]

Thanks will try

[sleek owl]

Bny Mellon

[tardy geode]

how does one survive in socal on 90k tc

i mean the rent for a private room would be around 1.7k or somthing

after taxes the monthly in hand would be 5k

approx

[teal jackal]

I think if I get a fun car I want to cover it in itasha decals
I think I want to do a "No game no life" themed itasha with "No racing no life"

[tardy geode]

plus california itself is costly

[foggy vortex]

3.3k to play around with after rent is still a really large chunk

[tardy geode]

fair but i think my friend has been lowballed bad

but he still has something so good for him

[teal jackal]

90k is not good but its still decent and gainful employment

[obsidian crater]

Median household income in Cali is $84K or something so 90k is still above average for one person

[tardy geode]

he is in palm springs

he says

i mean his base pay is 90k , no sign on , no stocks 💀

no bonus

its some no name startup he says

[obsidian crater]

Palm springs is cheaper I think

[tardy geode]

i only know that its like a party place

[obsidian crater]

In general Cali gets less expensive the further from the coast

[timber rock]

3.3k is way more than enough to live after rent

[tardy geode]

i always thought SoCal is expensive than NorCal

[foggy vortex]

in that area if you're willing to get house mates you can get rent as low 500 for a pretty okay room

[tardy geode]

wtf 500 for a room !

in CA

damn

[foggy vortex]

ye ye the inland empire has some pretty reasonable pricing

[tardy geode]

oh i see

whats inland empire?

[foggy vortex]

LA to Orange County area is when it starts to get crazy

[tardy geode]

some star wars thing?

[obsidian crater]

Just the part of socal

[tardy geode]

ohh

[foggy vortex]

It's a county in socal

[obsidian crater]

That's not close to the coast and is desert

[tardy geode]

i see

[obsidian crater]

It's cheaper and more rural than LA or SF

[tardy geode]

so basically no social life

[obsidian crater]

eh not really

[foggy vortex]

1-2 hours out of LA

[tardy geode]

i see

LA is wild

like lot of homless peeps i have heard

coz rents are crazy

[obsidian crater]

yeah most big cities have a lot of homeless people

[tardy geode]

woah , thats sick

[obsidian crater]

idk man

International disadvantage maybe

no

F1

So I don't need sponsorship immediately

For 3 years

[teal jackal]

Recession bro

[obsidian crater]

I think it really is recession

Cause I styled my resume off my friends who graduated last year and are making $170K at FAANG

They didn't get axed yet

[lunar hatch]

yeah but h1b sponsorship is a cost

some companies not willing to take the cost

[obsidian crater]

True, but in general most people swap after a few years.

Especially in big tech attrition is pretty high.

So it's even worse.

[lunar hatch]

yeah but they def don't want to hear you planning to swap

lol

[obsidian crater]

Honestly man US immigration system is ass

[lunar hatch]

it is

[obsidian crater]

I just want a job to payoff my loans and gtfo here

[lunar hatch]

totally bs

[tardy geode]

kuro what do you think about this , like when recruiters and people say that quantify impact by mentioning numbers . does that really make a difference as most of the times its just people (like me including) putting random percentages

[obsidian crater]

Wouldn't even mind going back home just to not be stressed and anxious

I'm sick of the constant anxiety

I don't

:/

[lunar hatch]

nah masters does not usually help

[obsidian crater]

Masters doesn't mean much imo

[jovial latch]

the masters does nothing

[obsidian crater]

Most MS students at my uni cheat

[jovial latch]

i can attest to that

[teal jackal]

Dude the recession destroyed ints

[jovial latch]

and im not even international

[teal jackal]

The companies that can afford to hire ints can't this year

[lunar hatch]

yeah that's the only advantage

but the rate is like only 5% or so higher

[obsidian crater]

I have until October I think

[serene nymph]

anyone applied to 2k?

[lunar hatch]

this year it is hella low

[obsidian crater]

If I can't find anything by October, it's deportation time

[tardy geode]

any thoughts on this @lunar sonnet

[jovial latch]

quantifing is good, human brain like dumb numbers

[obsidian crater]

I'm thinking about working at a local startup I interned at

If they take me full time

[jovial latch]

cause some stupid bitch ass retarded hr idiot isnt gonna understand shit on your resume unless you give them fake numbers

[obsidian crater]

Pay will probably be $50K or something but the city is LCOL

[lunar hatch]

yeah at least it could stop the unemployment clock

[obsidian crater]

Rent here is like $900-$1K for a 1 bedroom

More than staying in the US I'm more worried about money

Cause I just wanna make a dent in my loans and then I can go home if I don't get h1b

yes

MH

XD

Pune

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ayo MH gang

[obsidian crater]

Maybe we do

[lunar hatch]

oh dude i got five calls from consultancy today...

[tardy geode]

same

they want my ssn

💀

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I can't afford an MS atm

[lunar hatch]

oh that's so scam

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lmao I don't know about that

There are people in here like gooby

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well got the sixth one

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International, top 10 school, HFT on resume

I'm just some average joe compared to him

[lunar hatch]

nah don't be discouraged. I failed many times before

More than you would imagine

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Idk if MS helps that much

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if you got a job, even at a startup

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My uncle told me to get a PhD and try for EB-1 like him