2023_grads

[sonic coral]

Oh that shit was free in school lmao

[late kestrel]

ngl in high school it probably is pretty useful

[sonic coral]

I’d never pay for that shit

[late kestrel]

people have no fucking idea what theyre doing

[sonic coral]

It was more of like resume review / college essay review lol

[late kestrel]

i wrote 0 college essays

[sonic coral]

Shut up shut up shut up let me pretend my loans don’t exist for a few more months

I mean dude many people in college have no clue what they’re doing this isn’t really a good take

[north latch]

What is the website that has the script / role-play for negotiating salaries?

[livid yew]

I did start leetcoding

still suck at it

[sonic coral]

Well assuming I don’t get laid off in round 2 / maybe 3 the goal is promo ye

[livid yew]

cheddy

my guy

[late kestrel]

wheres my free trial

[livid yew]

well I did LeetCode like 2 years ago

[sonic coral]

There’s zero chance of biden’s loan shit going through right

[livid yew]

then stopped LC for a while

just getting back into it

and re-learning DSA in the process

[sonic coral]

Yeah it seems like it

Oh well at least my shit will be frozen for a few more months

And I get 2.5k a year from goog lol

[livid yew]

yes/

[sonic coral]

Yeah I mean I went to state school too so it’s only around 26k

Not the worst thing in the world

[livid yew]

how to "understand it"

is the tough part lol

pretty much

oh I should use chat more

I have used it like 3 times

I am just not big on "hot tech"

no

who knows

fine by me

yep

See I make 145K, but dress like I make 25K

yeah I will look at solution, take notes

well, considering I am approach 3YOE

I used to make 65K

last year

so

no it was SWE work

I guess I was underpaid

lol

my goal 3 years post college was 100K or more

and I already hit that

so

[west egret]

Do you actually?

Oh wait misread

Read that as you saying you lived in Bentonville

[livid yew]

they cancelled interview

"scheduling" issues

[west egret]

Bro they ghosted me in my final interview

[livid yew]

oof

[west egret]

Then didn’t give me a rejection until 3 months after the rescheduled final interview

[livid yew]

grug is an average Tate Watcher for sure

bro now I get like jacked middle school kids on YT shorts

no kid should be that well built that young

I don't know a single person who weight lifted that early

maybe like that one cunt fucker

I hit puberty at like 17 💀

I look roughly the same

[graceful crown]

anyone know if fortinet is hiring?

[late kestrel]

no thats very helpful

extremely

my life is changed

bc of that info

impossible

okay

[livid yew]

grug has small penis

probably

I don't doubt it

[late kestrel]

this is my selfie

💰

and this is my money

youre an emoji

dumbass

[livid yew]

cheddy dont bother lol

[late kestrel]

techie im just playing along !!!!!

[livid yew]

ok I asked ChatGPT to explain a LC problem, it gives really nice explain

but its so slow

[late kestrel]

grug youre gonna be in davenport its literally impossible to be successful or handsome there

sorry i dont make the rules

well that was uncalled for

[lost falcon]

do you mean gpt-3.5-turbo ?

[livid yew]

yeah I used to have the time complexities stuff memorized for various DS lol

that was during school

when I was getting grilled

I have a habit of forgetting material quite fast

like within days

[lost falcon]

ok, thx! I will try to implement a local tool to call its API in which way it will cost less than 20$/month

[livid yew]

no

but I also don't cram stuff right before

[lost falcon]

nope, you can directly call their offered API

[livid yew]

yes

[lost falcon]

not sure about this. I will check their document later.

[livid yew]

and will re-read often

like 3-4 times a day after writing it down

[lost falcon]

https://platform.openai.com/docs/introduction

[livid yew]

its not LC

its just information retention in general

I have multiple issues

I am

unfort

[whole roost]

You need spaced repetition + active recall to remember things long term

[livid yew]

lol

lol lol for real

[whole roost]

Yeah it's not easy

XD

Incoming Backend (Kitchen) SWE @ McDonalds

[jovial latch]

i cant tell if yall be shitposting or not
though i am totally jobcel rn
gib job pls

[late kestrel]

wojak pfp

[jovial latch]

america has a lot of obese people yes

[livid yew]

ok back to work

[tardy geode]

wtf

[livid yew]

I do light exercise lol, not a chad

used to do more in HS and College

but got lazy

well I am getting to the toned part dude

oof

[late kestrel]

omg rare grug good take

🥺

[livid yew]

some of the stuff grug says

"It was easy for me, I cannot understand why it is hard for other people"

I am only slightly to be fair

but true

did I complain?

[late kestrel]

imagine saying "poors"

so cringe

[livid yew]

just pointing out something I found funny

tbf I would rather be poor

[jovial latch]

what the fuck have i been reading christ

[livid yew]

somehow as my wealth has increased, my happiness has decreased

[late kestrel]

in the kind words of g-eazy,

"'I just wanna stay broke forever,'"
Yeah that's that shit no one ever said"

[jovial latch]

eh, money is a problem, once the money issue is resolved other problems become more visible

its not that these issues came up afterwards, they just arent as relevant compared to being fiancially stable

[late kestrel]

imagine not being with a girl who actually loves u

[jovial latch]

communication issue

[late kestrel]

if your mentality is like this you musta had some shit relationships

or none at all

[jovial latch]

people that make 1 million a year do not get fucked by taxes

nice little misgonystic echo chamber yall have built up here, christ

was that really an attempt to bait lmao

[late kestrel]

marry someone who has similar career goals/makes similar to you, ezpz

my gf and i are both swe/ds

[pure mauve]

TikTok vs peloton (SJ vs NYC)

[late kestrel]

we will make similar

being a power couple >>>>>>>>>>>

[jovial latch]

god forbid a woman is doing better than you are, god forbid

[late kestrel]

thats not what that means

[swift bobcat]

.

[lone rapids]

Yo a company wants me to give them 3 references

How do i go about that

[pine topaz]

@pulsar mural Do you agree with these takes?

[jovial latch]

you should be motivated by wanting to improve your own situation lol

someones always gonna be ahead of you

[lone rapids]

If only it was that easy

They would contact them ofc

[jovial latch]

sure ig
just want enough money and a chill job i couldnt really give a shit about making all the money at a maxxed out role

[late kestrel]

jesus christ dude LMAO

find someone who loves u for u

my goodness

[jovial latch]

some uh, unresolved issues there

[late kestrel]

fr fr

we'll find out when we do LDR for a few years

being loved isnt enough. i need to financially dominate them

you shoulda been a lawyer

[west egret]

Your career isn't completely within your control either

[late kestrel]

tell that to all the laid off ppl LMAOOO

[west egret]

current times

rando lay offs

[rigid quail]

most of life is not in your control

american mindset of manifesting destiny will only bring you misery

[jovial latch]

nah layoffs were pretty random

[rigid quail]

you need to accept that life happens sometimes, and be very vigilant in the moments that you can control

[late kestrel]

dude they are killing teams/departments silly goose

[rigid quail]

bro really never wants to get into a relationship because it involves another person

[late kestrel]

do u have friends grug

[rigid quail]

seek help the both of you

[jovial latch]

i can just feel the narcissism

[rigid quail]

the consequence of being lonely is far greater than the potential upside of having total control

[jovial latch]

y'all gotta chill and get help man, this mindset aint healthy

[west egret]

define financial success

[rigid quail]

you can be financially successful and have a relationship

[west egret]

comparison is the thief of joy

[rigid quail]

that'll probably change over time actually

[jovial latch]

average linkedIn enjoyer

christ

i couldnt give a fuck about companies or job titles or what the fuck i do, just say whatever, get a nice paying job so i can do my own shit in my own free time

ok well yall are consistent at least, but man yall gotta like, get help

[rigid quail]

different strokes for different folks I guess

[jovial latch]

i mean you wanna grind work all day sure i guess?

[rigid quail]

if you think that feeling will last forever you are gravely mistaken

[jovial latch]

is that enjoyable, slaving away? i mean thats a thing some people like? idk the concept is weird

people dont go to the grave happy they grinded work constantly

[late kestrel]

homeboy defo ugly as hell

[jovial latch]

so if you had no obligations and could do whtaever you wanted youd just work?

[late kestrel]

ugly ppl get laid too silly

to other ugly ppl

after the attack

[jovial latch]

christ

[late kestrel]

hes larping

thats a thing some girls do hes defo larping

[jovial latch]

i dont deem slaving away for a souless corporation to be useful for my time

[late kestrel]

grug got a mini grug

[jovial latch]

yea well you need money to do what you want so you gotta go work for a soulless corporation or attempt making your own company, and the latter never works which is why you shouldnt have any attachment to work

[late kestrel]

u care so much ab what other people think its so cute

[jovial latch]

yall gotta go make your own echo chamber group dm or something god damn

[late kestrel]

ong LMAO

[jovial latch]

god its every single stereotype from this mindset

[late kestrel]

its gotta be the same person right LMAO

wtf is going on

help someone clean 2023_grads

[jovial latch]

It's an echo chamber of cope lol and capitalist simping

[late kestrel]

there are 3 alts

[pine topaz]

I am convinced grug colby and long thai are all the same dudes

[late kestrel]

help us

[jovial latch]

just gotta dump all these alts to florida

[late kestrel]

i vote the atlantic ocean

so much better

why wont discord just let me hide the "blocked messages" message

i dont wanna see anything at all

[dawn sequoia]

you can get off discord for a little bit or talk in other channels if it's bothering you

[late kestrel]

lol nah idc its just a weird design choice

[sonic coral]

It’s understandable that you think chatGPT bots have infiltrated your discord server. However, this is unreasonable thinking.

[pulsar monolith]

Anyone got the Bloomberg discord link?

For new grad

Reached hc?

@quiet crater "companies you're a dump, all you filthy animals suck. I got one thing to say, HMs bring me my offer"

[shut thistle]

I would be graduating next year, what are some of the NG interview prep strategies you guys follow? thanks

[pulsar monolith]

Does anyone have the Bloomberg discord link?

[shut thistle]

system design as well right?

just leetcoding?

will do?

[narrow harbor]

my aunt told me she can get me a new grad interview at cisco but i barely started the lc grind

what do i do

[shut thistle]

gotcha, thanks @balmy palm

[pulsar monolith]

You prepare and interview

[shut thistle]

interestingg

should I as well scout for referrals?

gotcha

yepp, got it

for leetcode, any list or randomly company wise?

got it

yeah I have cleared G interview for internship but stuck in team match 😦

yepp

no man, intern interviews were easy I guess

no, it was helpful

ah, thanks 👍

[night marsh]

I have a Tesla NG interview in about an hour. I checked the Discord for previous interviews but any last minute advice?

[late kestrel]

check your message requests

[stone granite]

Best of luck!

[night marsh]

Grazie 🙂

[pulsar monolith]

@night marsh how did it go?

[lone rapids]

Will you consider 70k base in san diego or look for other options?

[lone rapids]

10 dollars work for me

[swift falcon]

you get paid 10 dollars

that’s it

nothing else

[lone rapids]

10 bucks come on

I’m gonna try for consulting comp man. They give like 82k in lcol mcol

Yes

Yea still looking might accept even and renege

Yea after clearing 4 rounds

[night marsh]

Turns out it was a behavioral and not technical 💀

I forgot if I signed an NDA but it went pretty well!

[iron lily]

Which companies?

Didn’t Accenture lay of 19k or smth recently

[swift falcon]

How do you juggle getting a less desirable offer before you’re finished a secondary more valuable one?

if I find out tomorrow that company a wants to move forward with technical+culture and I pass those, I’ll still probably get done with them right when I’m getting an initial interview with company b

amd id rather work for company be tbh

should I just try and schedule the interviews for company A farther out?

[pulsar monolith]

Just reneg bro

Or sign and then back out

@swift falcon just fill out this email: #2023_summer message

[gleaming fable]

for real it'd be almost funny if it weren't so sad

embittered misogynistic/misanthropic cs major thinks they've figured out an infinite money glitch that in actuality just boils down to "exploit people ruthlessly" or "scam the government through a convoluted series of steps"

Like why is it so hard for dudes to just talk to people and be normal. Learn to love the gift of life and try to make the world a little better than the way you found it, that's the key to happiness its really that simple.

[swift falcon]

hmmm interesting

so just accept and renege

basically

[gleaming fable]

yeah I did that for 2 offers, if you never care to come back to company A you're losing nothing

like I reneged IBM and a random consultancy, zero plans to go back to either of them so reneging for an offer that payed 40k more than both was a no brainer

[sonic coral]

Jeez I wish more people would think this way

[chilly burrow]

Fr

[gleaming fable]

[foggy vector]

Has anyone here interview for RVO health before?

[jovial latch]

How does one get into consulting companies anyway, that's about my only chance at this point

What are the legit ones

[sonic coral]

Like non witch?

[iron lily]

Deloitte, EY, KPMG, PwC, BCG, McKinsey, Bain

MBB ain’t hiring new grads for tech roles rn tho

big 4, you have a shot tho

depends on ur sponsorship situation probs

[sonic coral]

There’s also publicis sapient

But I think you’ve got all the rest

[sonic coral]

Are you intl or a citizen

[jovial latch]

Citizen

[sonic coral]

Did you apply to the gov contractors yet?

[jovial latch]

I don't know anything about consulting firms tbh

Ive tried a couple of defense contractors

[sonic coral]

Northrop Grumman, Booz Allen Hamilton, BAE?

L3Harris, Leidos, Honeywell, Raytheon

[gleaming fable]

the one I was looking at was a boutique consulting agency, there is witch but there's also ones that aren't too bad

like stevey said big 4 is always around, I interviewed at deloitte and PwC

[jovial latch]

Ya I'm looking for stuff in the NYC area idk
What's witch

[gleaming fable]

though they might care more about your grades than other companies

[jovial latch]

My grades are fine

[gleaming fable]

WITCH is the shitty out-sourced consulting companies

[jovial latch]

Oh

[gleaming fable]

stands for WiPro, InfoSys, Tata (TCS), Cognizant, HCL

[jovial latch]

L3Harris and bae rejected me

[sonic coral]

Which gov contractors did you apply to

[jovial latch]

I applied to booz, don't think Raytheon has shit near the NYC are

[gleaming fable]

make sure to apply to all the other defense contractors if you haven't yet, you should have a decent shot

[jovial latch]

What are the big 4

[gleaming fable]

yeah I don't think they do, mostly in the south & southwest

[gleaming fable]

Deloitte, PwC, KPMG, and EY (Ernst and young)

[jovial latch]

I see

[sonic coral]

Yeah I mean you’ll prob have to move but so will the consultancies make you

So I feel like you might as well apply everywhere

[jovial latch]

Shit

[gleaming fable]

yeah unfortunately the consultancies will make you move around a lot

[sonic coral]

Did you apply to Northrop

[jovial latch]

Probably idk

[sonic coral]

They’re in like NC and Virginia I think

[gleaming fable]

lockheed has a lot of offices around philly so not too far from nyc

mostly in cherry hill NJ and king of prussia PA

[gleaming fable]

also apply to general dynamics

they hire a decent amount but they're mostly in LA I think

[sonic coral]

Boeing is mostly Seattle I think but also apply to them

[livid yew]

[jovial latch]

Aight thanks
Y'all got any consulting agencies or firms that aren't like shady btw?

I know witch is shady kinda

[livid yew]

I know a guy who worked at Lockheed

[cloud zinc]

If you fail an interview for a company and they keep your resume, can you reapply to a different position under the same company?

Or do they auto-reject your application based on previous interview feedback

[timber rock]

big 4 and publicis sapient are not shady, the only shady ones i really know are revature and fdm

witch is semi-shady but not as bad as revature

i went through the publicis sapient process recently and they seemed pretty nice

[fossil jewel]

revature sent me 3 emails asking me to apply

[swift falcon]

i hate revature so much

[jovial latch]

Ok ok, lots of applykng to do later

Thanks

[swift falcon]

i report their job ads on linkedin

[iron lily]

You’ve got to apply to jobs outside of NYC as well imo

[jovial latch]

What about contract work
LinkedIn has a lot of contract work under full time postings lol

[iron lily]

Those are competitive as hell, since everyone wants to live there

[jovial latch]

I mean I say NYC but I apply to shit in NJ, NY, pa, the region basically

Not exclusively the city

Is contract work viable

Lord knows how much of that shit you see on LinkedIn

[livid yew]

PA, Lockheed, Vanguard

Idk what else

[iron lily]

SIG

(Susquehanna international group)

[livid yew]

Oh yeah SIG is here

I know a guy in my apartment building that works at SIG

[sonic coral]

I feel you bro but if you’re having difficulty you need to expand your search

My friend started late in 2022 and had to get a job in NC

[livid yew]

Raleigh is nice area

[sonic coral]

He’s there rn, quite a shift from Brooklyn lol

[fossil jewel]

parts of bk are really quiet

[sonic coral]

He was in dyker and then he moved to the hood in Coney Island so he had a mix of both lmao

But even the quiet parts of bk are nothing compared to nc

[fossil jewel]

damn recession that bad

[sonic coral]

Well his entire fam moved to coney around like 2019-2020

He was always from a working class fam

[vast stone]

Anyone take Moody's Analytic's software engineering OA yet? Heard it was easy but was wondering what I should review/focus on

[fossil jewel]

ah

tbh

staten island isnt so bad even if its memed on asf

[sonic coral]

Lol yeah

Well

At least the part near the verazzano and ferry

Jersey side can fuck off

[fossil jewel]

oh the southern part?

yeah thats TOO far

the area by the bayonne bridge seems lively

[sonic coral]

Idk if I would describe any part of the island as lively lol

Haven’t really been to that part aside from driving to Bayonne or like going to forest Ave for the movie theater or Home Depot / Lowe’s

[fossil jewel]

i had my first covid shot in that area

like one block is mainly mexican food

and buses

[sonic coral]

The liveliest part is prob near the ferry imo

Or like hylan Blvd but less so on foot but more so just cars

[fossil jewel]

oh yeah hylan

my friends and i sometimes go

bc they have cars

[sonic coral]

Hylan’s got some banger food

[fossil jewel]

yeahh

i gotta get my drivers license tbh

[sonic coral]

My go-to Chinese and pizza place back home are both on hylan lol

[tacit grove]

these don't sponsor if you're looking for sponsorship...just a heads up

[livid yew]

Oof

I mean if you want I can maybe put a referral in at Comcast in Philadelphia, NJ, Chicago, Denver, Sunnyvale

[tacit grove]

Oh! Gotcha

my bad

they have an office in Sunnyvale?

[livid yew]

yeah

idk if they have any open positions out there right now. If you randomly see something for NG, I could refer

[tacit grove]

Okay

Thanks!!

[livid yew]

ye. just DM

[tardy geode]

techie refer us all and make bank

@pulsar mural

y u reacting on every message

[livid yew]

ok find role and send me DM

I am not going to search the jobs site for you

[tardy geode]

ofc that i would do brother

[livid yew]

Philadelphia and surrounding suburbs, Denver, Austin, Silicon Valley, Washington DC/N. Virginia

[late kestrel]

ill up your pay to 11k if you do

[worthy aspen]

you think the one's that ask for 5-7 yoe, I can apply if I have a MS and 1y?

or is that a stretch

[swift falcon]

fuck it why not

[worthy aspen]

idk why but I've been avoiding those since like Feb

[jovial latch]

i got an ms and barely hear back from shit that asks for yoe, but you're welcome to try

[worthy aspen]

which is why i stopped

[surreal shuttle]

Last year there were so many acceptance messages in #2023_grad_process but this year I don’t see many 😩

[neon perch]

Fuck man

[distant rampart]

truly depressing.. last year there were so many more new grad apps than intern apps

now it's the opposite

[neon perch]

I’m seeing a decent amount of Apple interviews

What’s the secret 👀

[tardy geode]

[prime palm]

yeah

@jaunty storm yoooo i saw you got an Apple final!

congrats, and i hope you pass! rooting for you ❤️

[jaunty storm]

I’m doubtful as always, but I’ll see how far I can get.

[stone granite]

Recruiter has to find you

[prime palm]

no room for doubt

only strength

good luck

[stone granite]

I had no clue how my recruiter found me

[jaunty storm]

It must be the job fairs.

You’ll see another spike in September.

[serene pier]

When do people usually apply for new grad for Jan 2024?

[high arrow]

anyone go through the interview process with Oracle? Got reached out to by a recruiter for a job I applied to months ago but not sure what to expect

[raw echo]

I don’t think verkada rescinded… (correct me if I’m wrong tho)

[neon perch]

What happened with IBM? I heard many people had gotten the OA

[deep fractal]

does anyone know what the process for epic systems is?

[jovial latch]

im tired

im just, tired

[shadow pecan]

@deep fractal internship?

[deep fractal]

bruh why are you lurking in the new grad channel 😭

asking for a friend

[shadow pecan]

IDFK

WG89H9WGHWO

[atomic oxide]

OA (one of the dumbest ones ever) - there's 4 tests, 3 are IQ related/basic math problems/pattern recognition, and 1 is a technical coding assessment with easy LC but no IDE provided. You literally write into a text box. All needs to be done within a 4 hour block once you start or something
Then it's a phone screen with a recruiter that's all behavioral.
Then you wrap it up with a 2-3 hour final call with a manager - I opted out of the process here so not sure what's in the final call.

[tacit grove]

Which location is this for?

[dawn lynx]

Is anyone at the NSBE conference in Kansas City?

[onyx sparrow]

Me 👍

[dawn lynx]

How is it going for you? getting any interviews?

[tardy geode]

a month away from finishing grad school and i have no offers . now the anxiety is kicking in so bad

[rustic vessel]

Some people got start date pushed to next year

[lunar hatch]

Next year? That's very crazy

[onyx sparrow]

I got 1 from a company called Abbott

I'm trying for more today

[lunar hatch]

What would be the original start date

[rustic vessel]

Like this summer

[lunar hatch]

Damn

Companies are just copy-pasting each other

[tacit grove]

You got this! 👍

[prime palm]

Wishing you the best burgey

[sleek owl]

We will prevail

[late kestrel]

[tardy geode]

[tardy geode]

[worthy aspen]

are you an international?

[tardy geode]

yes

[worthy aspen]

have you thought of starting your own business with your OPT, you know you can do that if nothing works out?

[tardy geode]

really?

[worthy aspen]

yes

[tardy geode]

but there are some Terms and conditions for it

[worthy aspen]

yeah ofc, you gotta deal with a lawyer to set things up so you dont get in trouble down the line

[tardy geode]

can't afford lawyer fee

but that's a great idea though , i might consult someone

like who has done it

[worthy aspen]

you can start something related to your major

[tardy geode]

i see

[worthy aspen]

but the catch is you can only do it on the regular opt

[tardy geode]

oh so for only a year?

[worthy aspen]

for stem, you need to show that in your business you have a employer employee relationship

[tardy geode]

i see

[worthy aspen]

and also e-verify your business

i'm considering this as some option

but idk what to sell lmao

and i mean since im saying all this, ya'll internationals should know that you can also do unpaid internships/internships/volunteer at a non profit with something related to your major to stop the unemployment clock from ticking

[tardy geode]

yeah i know about that but the biz thing i didn't

ty brother @worthy aspen

[worthy aspen]

i like to believe we got this

[tardy geode]

i mean we working our asses off so it would def pay off

[worthy aspen]

this is no life

[dusky tapir]

200 apps 0 interview is insane, post ur resume

[worthy aspen]

i actually did on #1019675142248468601 but its gotten the same attention that i get from companies-no response

https://discord.com/channels/698366411864670250/1088208133303828571 here

[swift falcon]

well it looks pretty impressive to me

but what do I know

[tacit grove]

Is Bloomberg hiring or on a freeze atm?

[worthy aspen]

that's how i felt starting out, i think a few downside is that my experiences are out of a campus job over some big name. And this resume is fairly new after making like 8 iterations

[west egret]

If the company doesn’t make any announcement, no one knows

[tardy geode]

bruh i have more than 1k apps and nothing

1k since aug 2022

[tacit grove]

makes sense. thanks

[worthy aspen]

wanna post your resume? Maybe get a couple of feedback?

[tardy geode]

yea

[worthy aspen]

cause 1k is insanee

[tardy geode]

[prime palm]

uhhhhhh

i don't even know how you're finding these

because from august 2022 - december 2022, i only applied to ~150

and i applied to pretty much every new grad / some intern postings i found

where does 1k come from?

are you tracking apps in notion / gsheets or something?

[cloud zinc]

bro same

[prime palm]

no i applied to everything

but swe only, ig, i didn't apply for qa / consulting roles ig

[tardy geode]

i have been applying to both ng and experienced roles

companies , not consultancies and stuff

[cloud zinc]

to be honest, I would often forget whether I applied somewhere or not, and just reapply to the same position 2-3 months later.

but nonetheless, I was sending out 10-15 applications per day to any posting on linkedin that tangentally relates to software engineering

I'm at 1250+ applications in, and my first 500 back in 2022 was with this shitty resume: https://imgur.com/a/IcU8OAB

[naive chasm]

That isn't even that awful...

Entry level job market is just down bad rn :/

I graduated May 2022, took a break before starting to apply in August, have like 250 something apps in and nada. I've been told I have a solid resume too. I've gotten like 5-10 interviews in total but none panned out

[faint umbra]

Entry level requires 5+ years is outrageous !

[night marsh]

Your resume looks good, genuinely. The market is just atrocious rn

[cloud zinc]

its not, according to r/engineeringresumes. And that's okay because there is no reason to have a profile section and non-ATS-compliant format. The reason why I'm malding was due to some poor advice from mentors and campus career resources.

So essentially, those 500 applications were wasted

[night marsh]

I mean, yeah, the profile stuff can be done away with. Just saying that aside, your experience and skills look solid

[chilly burrow]

Same thint happened to me for my first internship search

Applied to 200+ places with a shit resume my school told me to make

[tardy geode]

what the fuck okta wants

raining rejects fam

[cloud zinc]

yeah like what the hell? Its a little damming that the campus resource intended to help students find a job offers the worst advice in every step of the way

[tardy geode]

my advisor is of no use smh

half of the time he is not sure about things

[fossil jewel]

i never even met an advisor

[jovial latch]

my career center has been utterly useless

[fossil jewel]

i did all the job hunting myself and thru external orgs

like codepath

[late kestrel]

ive never had my resume reviewed

[jaunty basalt]

I took a look and said it was ok

[late kestrel]

u never told me that to my face

[jaunty basalt]

June start date right

[late kestrel]

no

[jaunty basalt]

[late kestrel]

oh god what is that

[jaunty basalt]

A selfie

[late kestrel]

nop

u dont look like that

[tardy geode]

[torn stone]

If the adviser knew how to find a good job, they probably wouldn’t be stuck in that job

[swift falcon]

Damn, got rejected after screen 😦 no moving on to technical

I assumed too much with this company

always happens, I think I hit it out of the park but in reality I probably blew it, I wish they would give feedback

I wonder if I'm asking too much for salary

[lone rapids]

How much u asking

Yup anything above range is too kuch

Much*

[swift falcon]

wdym?

[lone rapids]

Max they are gonna give is 85k

U want min of 95k

What you mean lol

[swift falcon]

I mentioned I was willing to be flexible

and come down a bit

[lone rapids]

Kinda good to start with low salary mentioned from the bat in this eco and then if u actually fet offer then u might be able to nego

[swift falcon]

hmm maybe I can do 85-95 then

but mb we will have to just settle with a year or two of part time for me to get up tier or two

[grizzled bronze]

I put "0" or "negotiable" if I can for salary just to be safe

[timber rock]

yes they do

[swift falcon]

so then do you ask what the salary is in the interviews then?

[shut crescent]

i would stop giving them numbers

[swift falcon]

yeah I guess, but if the field is there and you're required to enter sth before moving on etc?

[jovial latch]

So is everyone getting okta rejections?

I didn't get a rejection soooo

[shut crescent]

just put $0

they dont even look at that shit i think, if they do and ask u in person just say u need to do more research on the market

or ask them whats the band for this level

[swift falcon]

I've asked "what's the range you have in this position" but shot myself in the foot by just coming in at the high end (for an IT job a while ago)

instead of asking for what I wanted which was about 10k higher at the time

[shut crescent]

i never gave numbers

[swift falcon]

until when?

[jovial latch]

Always put 0 or negotiable

[shut crescent]

until never its ur first job

ur going to get what they give u

the only way that'll change is if u have multiple offers

just keep saying im not sure about the market right now, you probably have a better idea since your recruiting candidates

why negotiate for like $5k imo not worth at all just start immediately looking for jobs for that 20-30k raise

[swift falcon]

I alr have a job paying me 64k

just not SE job

I need to make like 20k more at least

[shut crescent]

where do u live

is it HCOL?

never checked

[swift falcon]

nah i think it's low

[shut crescent]

i got 107k which is low asf for the bay

64k might be reasonable then if its not a tech company

[swift falcon]

so below avg i guess

[shut crescent]

theres people getting like 70-80k in toronto tho

are u sure its 84-100k

if its LCOL i think its pretty fair if its not a SE job

so its not LCOL? lol

[swift falcon]

I think it is per this chart

100 is USA avg

[shut crescent]

oh i completely read it wrong my bad

yeah idk man i would just try to get ur first SE job regardless of pay

it is what it is, they can fuck us in this market

[tardy geode]

@swift falcon bruh you gotta lowball this szn

like how companies are lowballing

[grizzled bronze]

I don't unless the recruiter specifically brings it up. I always look up in advance on Levels, GlassDoor, Discord to see what their salary is if they require a number on the phone, otherwise I just say "I'm flexible" and try to negotiate if I get past the final round and receive an offer.

[lone rapids]

Pain i got 70k for sd

[neon perch]

Okta hasn’t responded to me in months

Btw just needed advice on this; so I’ve started work as a software eng but it’s like a volunteer thing to work on your OPT. Now should I include this on my resume? Cause I don’t want recruiters to think why am I seeking jobs when I’ve just been here for a month or something. Any advice regarding this would be appreciated 🙏

I applied last year October and last month and absolutely nothing from them

[shut crescent]

yeah luckily mine is remote and i dont have to pay rent for a year lol

[lone rapids]

U chilling

[neon perch]

No I haven’t included it yet and yes I’m December 2022

[swift falcon]

yeah so asking for 95-105k isn’t that insane then

[swift falcon]

yeah fair enough

[sleek owl]

GIVE ME A JOB

[shut crescent]

kinda but i still feel like im underpaid

especially to how small the team is and the work im going to have to do

[swift falcon]

[oblique wasp]

If anyone has interviewed at a company named Allovue, then please dm

[young jewel]

Has anyone given the technical interview at Cohesity?

[iron lily]

Looking back at the 2022_grad_process channel, they had it so good

Wish I graduated a year earlier

[neon perch]

Ikr

[tardy geode]

we will get through this shit fam

[whole berry]

alright

one last LC

for the night

and ill see yall monday

[tardy geode]

[whole berry]

good to take breaks from this discord

and applying and doing lc 5 days a week

[lone rapids]

How many lc do you do per day

[whole berry]

2-3

[lone rapids]

Cool

[whole berry]

id like to ramp up to higher

but after 3 i just feel like im not actually applying myself

[main condor]

whats your LC count so far?

[whole berry]

like 70

[main condor]

709!??!

[whole berry]

typo

[main condor]

lol jk

[whole berry]

typed too fast

LOOOL

[lone rapids]

Intl?

[lone rapids]

Any internships

[whole berry]

no

[whole berry]

3

[lone rapids]

Nice u must be intelligent. 70 total lc and cracked 3 internship is goated

[whole berry]

no im dumb af

like actually

[lone rapids]

What are those 3 companies name

[whole berry]

Blackberry n thales

[lone rapids]

Good companies

You were probably waiting for return offer ig

For ft

[whole berry]

honestly i shouldve

but i didnt

market was so good

i thought id be fine

[lone rapids]

Oh man

[whole berry]

the moment i graduated thats when things were goign downhill

[lone rapids]

Apply to defense comps

[pastel bane]

will Amazon new graduate interviews ask about your project details?
from the past experience threads it seems VOs are all about coding and BQ? and OOD

[graceful crown]

Are they interviewing for new grads again?

[pastel bane]

Im not in US so my experience might not be applicable

yes I will have an interview with them next month in my current country

[shut crescent]

they had it too good

[neon perch]

Dude I made the same exact mistake

[whole berry]

Ya lol biggest mistake

My first co op wanted me back

And I was like nah

[neon perch]

Dude I swear sameee

Are you Dec 2022?

[neon perch]

I wanted to work for an MNC so didn’t revert to the coop

[whole berry]

June ☠️

[neon perch]

Ah dude, we’ll make it soon

People graduating in ‘22 and ‘23 are elite for surviving this economy man

[brave forge]

dont understand why didnt u just accept and renege if you thought this?

[tardy geode]

5 rejects on a fucking saturday

feels bad man

[tardy geode]

you turned down a return offer ?

[fallen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/flirt-youmu-youmu-konpaku-touhou-project-shrine-maiden-gif-18971967

[swift falcon]

bros so i just kind of had a nightmare thought

i work at a really chill job rn

no metrics or anything and like daily meetings, but other than that no sort of micromanaging baby sitting

[tardy geode]

thats great

[swift falcon]

what if new job is like 8 hours of micromanaging

when am I going to be able to take a siesta?

[tardy geode]

[swift falcon]

how do I transition from being a slacker to high power dev

[tardy geode]

Boba Tea

i hate that shit tho

[swift falcon]

boba or micromanagement?

[tardy geode]

both

[swift falcon]

serious question though, what is it actually like being a dev

[tardy geode]

[swift falcon]

like do you just get to noodle and code all day or do you have ppl constantly breathing down your neck

[tardy geode]

its fun if you have good people around , pretty stressful if there;s a lot of micromanagement and shit team

[swift falcon]

I don’t want to have to worry abt my teams status, for example

[tardy geode]

don't go by all those "day in a life of a SDE @ somecompany"

videos

[tardy geode]

its a mix of both , i mean it depends on your team , project priority etc

its very different from company to company

[swift falcon]

how does one broach this subject in an interview

"do you guys micromanage?"

[tardy geode]

you never ask such things

[swift falcon]

[teal canopy]

is 66k enough to make a decent living in virginia

[tardy geode]

i think so

not sure

my friend gets paid 95k Base in VA

[swift falcon]

depends on where right?

[tardy geode]

i said VA

[swift falcon]

yeah, I mean like where in Virgina

[tardy geode]

for VA 95k is quite good

Herndon

[swift falcon]

because there's norfoke and richmond that are pretty tech cause of the gubbermint I think?

and then you got DC right to the north of it

[teal canopy]

sterling

the company's kinda shady tho

[swift falcon]

https://zerodown.com/cost-of-living/sterling--va

oof 138%

[teal canopy]

goddamn

[pulsar monolith]

Ask something similar to "how do you measure employee's performance*

[swift falcon]

Ok, I ask the 3-6 month milestone question usually, but maybe I can expand on it and ask for sth a bit more concrete

I usually get the “well a month or two of ease into position and then trial by fire” or sth to that effect

[shut crescent]

hm do studios go for in VA?

like $1800?

[iron lily]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/121j627/zelenskyy_says_he_wants_to_talk_to_xi_jinping_but/

Smh, even Zelenskyy didn’t get a return offer

Market fucked

[tardy geode]

bruh share with a flatmate and save monies ( i mean get your own private room but share with a flatmate)

[fallen fox]

internationals on OPT: can you access the SEVP portal? is it down right now?

[brave forge]

share a bed? i thought your supposed to just lay on top of them to save space, on a twin mattress

[neon perch]

Well it was like a verbal unofficial offer given to me by my manager and I never considered it until it was too late

[tardy geode]

💀

you should reach out to them again

i would suggest

[neon perch]

I’m def gonna do that on Monday. Just wanted to build my profile more before reaching out to them again

[shut crescent]

i was just wondering haha

once i get a salary bump ill prob get a studio tho ngl

lived with roommates already during uni, kinda want to experience the studio life

[swift falcon]

studio life seems kinda fun ngl

[teal canopy]

is the 13 days paid vacation + 7 days paid holidays part of the 66k base salary?
im kinda confused here

[late kestrel]

wym part of

youll get 66k as well as 13 days of your choice + 7 days that are already set in the calandar

[tardy geode]

what is 2080 work hours?

is it a contract position or somethin

[lost falcon]

likes ICC's contract requirement

[livid yew]

I mean there are 2,080 work hours in year

(5)(8)(52)

[tardy geode]

techie GOAT

[teal canopy]

because i saw someone else's payment details which seems like it's giving more on top of the 66k?

[late kestrel]

i believe thats how much the vacation days are "worth" without seeing more info

2500 over 10 days is 31.25/hr

65k is 31.25/hr

[swift falcon]

[teal canopy]

they're advertising it like it's actually another pay on top of the base salary

They seem to have omitted that in mine

confusion

[late kestrel]

as long as your vacation days are paid then it should be the exact same thing

[teal canopy]

Hmm I see so I can expect the additional pay as well I guess?

Thanks for the answers btw

[torn stone]

Anyone interviewed with Tesla autopilot?

[late kestrel]

well i mean yes, thats how vacation days work. you take the days off but your paycheck doesnt change

[livid yew]

if you end up having to work on a vacation day, I have done this many a times, they might double pay

[thin magnet]

Does anyone have a list of companies that are actively hiring?

[autumn jolt]

leetcode down?

[whole berry]

yeah

leetcode down

wtf lol

[autumn jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/depressed-bored-boredom-swing-head-gif-17224602

[neon perch]

Leetcode down?

[neon perch]

Ohh okay so it’s down

[tardy geode]

yea

gotta touch grass ig

[weary falcon]

Y’all do the Aon hirevue?

[tacit grove]

same...indirect message from leetcode to take a break

[west egret]

Just go to hackerrank if you really need to

Or Lintcode

[livid yew]

Hacker rank is for OAs I thought

LintCode is sussy, too much Chinese for me to be comfortable providing my login data

[shut crescent]

its probably accrued vacations

relocation expense up to $300 is a big fuck you lol

these companies have no shame rn

[jovial latch]

companies never had any shame to begin with

[shut crescent]

yeah but its showing more than ever at this time

https://www.linkedin.com/news/story/accenture-cuts-19000-staff-globally-5587156/

sheesh

consulting bros are not happy

[jovial latch]

im just losing my mind honestly

it is utterly hopeless

[cloud zinc]

not even consulting is safe

my god

[shut crescent]

yeah but 738k workforce is also crazy

i think they hired like 200k people in 2020

i wonder who makes these decisions

[neon perch]

Literally

[tacit grove]

yeah that's insane

this feels unending

[obsidian crater]

Doomed

[tardy geode]

most of it is in south asia

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/585758820102569984.gif?size=240&quality=lossless

[pastel bane]

In theory if I apply for 100 companies I will get an offer anyhow isnt it?

[bold pier]

Did you miss a 0 there?

[chilly burrow]

No

Firstly, in this economy applying for 100 companies there isnt even a guarantee you'll hear back from any. Unless you have a good resume.

Also even if you hear back from some, there is still the task of passing the interview(s)

[tacit grove]

lmao

[sonic coral]

Tbh even with a good resume there isn’t a guarantee

Like I know laid off faang people struggling to find a new job

[marsh sand]

Is anyone else still stuck in bloomberg’s pipeline?

[dawn sequoia]

I can provide consultation services to the consulting firm 😌

[night maple]

yup

i had amazon and meta on resume and only had 2 interviews out of 200 applications

only 1 out of the 2 interviews was even worth my time though

[brave forge]

ya but are you only applying to high tier companies?

[night maple]

no, there's not even that many high tier companies

[chilly burrow]

Yeah def

[teal canopy]

this is my first time in the job market so i have no idea but is this year just a terrible year?
or has it always been like this and ive just been oblivious about it until now?

i honestly can't tell if the problem's on my resume and my interviewing skills or just the market

[dawn sequoia]

terrible year

everyone struggling to get anything rn

but it's good to get feedback on your resume so you take some steps to make sure it's not only your fault (for lack of better word) for low response rate

feel free to censor personal identifying info on your resume and drop it in #1019675142248468601 for some feedback from some kind people

[prime palm]

It's really bad to be in tech these days

Only saving grace is to be first

I copped offers by being one of the first few people to apply

And a lil bit of nepotism

Hehe hoho

[obsidian crater]

It's hopeless

[toxic pivot]

I love nepotism

[prime palm]

Hehe hoho

[prime palm]

Ehhhhhhhhhhh

My friend got a new grad offer from CashApp recently

And another at Okta

It's not super hopeless

[obsidian crater]

Maybe not doomed for him

[prime palm]

It's just huge influx of people applying + small amount of jobs

Dw bro, you're finna not be jobless

[obsidian crater]

I hope not

Otherwise I'm gonna get deported

[prime palm]

Oh fuck

[obsidian crater]

I have until October end

But it's hard to find positions that are open for new grads

Nobody really gives me much feedback on my resume either

[toxic pivot]

[livid yew]

How is everyone's Sunday going

[obsidian crater]

sad kek

[swift falcon]

2/3 of my kids are sick

feeling bad about upcoming interviews like it’s just going to be a waste

[livid yew]

Casual Philly sunday things

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1041742285735473154/1089601196727210005/image.png

[swift falcon]

catch 22 rn

[split plaza]

has anyone heard back from any of the Confluent NG roles

[obsidian crater]

RESUME REJECTED KEKW

[upper crown]

Same 😮‍💨

[split plaza]

Did you both have addresses in the state you applied for

[upper crown]

For 2 of them

[tacit grove]

No

[gilded swan]

Are you all making a resume for each job or submitting one resume for all of them?

[tacit grove]

oh no way...just one resume

[grizzled bronze]

Hope you get that Walmart job so you can gtfo and stay safe

[livid yew]

I'd be in Bay Area, equally unsafe bro

[livid yew]

They ghosted

[grizzled bronze]

Hang in there buddy

[tardy geode]

sad , i mean nowadays sad is an understatement

[tardy geode]

that's typical walmart of them

[obsidian crater]

sad gang gang

[tardy geode]

[jovial latch]

i believe thats called insanity

[obsidian crater]

Oh, I'm absolutely insane.

Did you know I'm utterly insane?

[bold pier]

I've already given up on Google Screener, how do I do so much leetcode

[tardy geode]

i took a break at 380(170 meds) i think i can't do more

my mate is on 728(some 400+ mediums)

[bold pier]

I'm on like 250 meds and already forgotten half of them

[iron lily]

are u getting interviews rn tho?

cus at some point, it becomes counterintuitive to do hundreds of leetcode problems

[tardy geode]

i had got with psyonix but after recruiter call i got rejected as they don't sponsor that position .

[iron lily]

imo, just grind out a few tagged questions a few days prior to the interview

[tardy geode]

i follow B75 and NC150

and some from All NC

[bold pier]

I mean at least I can code fast during interview, my muscle memory is top notch now!

[tardy geode]

and then random probs here and there

[obsidian crater]

I had one interview and I fucked it up really bad by being giga nervous

it's probably doomed now

[bold pier]

I am doing B75, Grokking, and Google 6 months tagged

[obsidian crater]

[tardy geode]

Grokking you got the sub ?

or pdf

from somewhere

[bold pier]

I got yearly sub

[obsidian crater]

grokking's just a list of problems

ah

[bold pier]

I mean they have well explained solutions with pictures and slides, helps with certain patterns!

[obsidian crater]

ye

[vital leaf]

any one got FT offers?

[obsidian crater]

no

[round lake]

what is grokking?

[chilly burrow]

https://www.educative.io/courses/grokking-the-coding-interview

Free version here: https://github.com/Chanda-Abdul/Several-Coding-Patterns-for-Solving-Data-Structures-and-Algorithms-Problems-during-Interviews

[grizzled bronze]

Just got access to Bard!

[urban gulch]

Can u ask it how long this downturn will last?

[grizzled bronze]

🤡

[grizzled bronze]

The current economic downturn is a result of a number of factors, including the COVID-19 pandemic, the war in Ukraine, and rising inflation. It is difficult to say how long it will last, as it is dependent on a number of factors, including how these factors develop and interact.

However, it is possible to make some educated guesses based on historical data. According to the National Bureau of Economic Research, the average US recession lasts about 17 months. However, there is a wide variation in the length of recessions, with some lasting as little as 10 months and others lasting over 3 years.

The current economic downturn is likely to be shorter than the average recession, as it is not caused by a single major event, such as a financial crisis. However, it is still possible that it could last for several months, or even years.

It is important to remember that recessions are a normal part of the economic cycle. They occur when the economy grows too quickly and overheats, leading to a correction in prices and activity. While they can be painful, they also provide an opportunity for businesses to restructure and for workers to find new jobs.

[whole berry]

i think i may be retarded

another OA gone to dust

it was very doable

idk why i get flustered and then lose my attention every 5 seconds

im confirmed destined for mcdonalds

[faint umbra]

Which company OA ?

[whole berry]

Squarepoint

Actually easy af

[tardy geode]

ask them when will this shit end

[swift falcon]

is this some chat gpt baloney?

[obsidian crater]

bard

[obsidian crater]

how quickly did you get it?

[grizzled bronze]

Overall, it is difficult to say exactly when the current economic downturn will end. However, it is expected to end in the second half of 2023.

[whole berry]

I took the whole 90 mins but kept losing my attention span

May need to be medicated

[livid yew]

even with meds I get off focus

[whole berry]

What do you take

[obsidian crater]

I mean how fast after applying

[whole berry]

same day

[obsidian crater]

I didn't get it yet lmao

wtf

[whole berry]

its ok i took a fat L on it

youll take the mantle

[grizzled bronze]

As expected Bard sucks so far, it's like the Yahoo version of GPT

[obsidian crater]

How do I get a job

[bold pier]

Print resume and enter random offices, tell them I am here for interview.

[obsidian crater]

[obsidian crater]

resume rejected from wolverine trading

[lone rapids]

They dont sponsor thats what i heard

[lone rapids]

Squarepoint canada?

[vital leaf]