2023_grads

[daring gazelle]

Did you just grind freelance and then list that in your resume?

[young peak]

Maybe

Unless you're ass then there's no hope

[daring gazelle]

No hope then 😫

[young peak]

How many apps?

[daring gazelle]

Pretty smart ngl

[daring gazelle]

1200

Got calls

[young peak]

How many calls?

[daring gazelle]

Conversation rate is 1 for every 90

[young peak]

Give me these nums

Apps => OA => Phone => Final => offer

[tardy geode]

[daring gazelle]

1200 (honestly i lost track after a while) => 10 (some company dont OA) => around 17 phone (quite a few ended soon after I tell them I am OPT) => 1 final => 1 verbal offer (but they are "deliberating" till next wekk and pushed off telling me if my OPT visa is ok for the job or not)

[errant karma]

this is insane 1 offer from 1200 applications

[brisk meadow]

it's just the way it be 😦

[daring gazelle]

Tbh i dont even track it anymore and simplify dont track it for me I just open like 40 tabs on chrome at a time and apply

[young peak]

1200 -> 10 is brutal wtf

Let em know that OPT doesn't require anything on their part and that you're good to go for the next 3 years

[daring gazelle]

I did

They really like me

I already met my team

[young peak]

Get the offer in writing as quickly as you can and push the start date as early as possible

[daring gazelle]

Its cloud operations

[young peak]

Nice at what company

[daring gazelle]

They want a person who has AWS cloud certs

Which I do

[daring gazelle]

H&R Block

But I told them I am on OPT

Just so that they dont miss it

The recruiter been a bit hesitant

[errant karma]

I thought AWS cloud certs were highly sort after. I guess not as bad

[tardy geode]

[daring gazelle]

Like from finals -> offer -> team meet

[tardy geode]

certifications don't justify skills tbh

[daring gazelle]

Now its been a week and no start date or official email

[tardy geode]

most of these you just give a theory exam and obtain one

[gleaming fable]

certs can be kinda dime-a-dozen, aws cert can be a pre-req if you're going for most cloud positions is all

[daring gazelle]

Actually they dont want AWS cert

[tardy geode]

wait for few 2-3 days more brother

[daring gazelle]

They want Azure ones

[errant karma]

it does wym

[tardy geode]

something good is about to come your way

[tardy geode]

fr?

[daring gazelle]

But they interview me and I name drop some Azure services

And cloud concept

[daring gazelle]

The cert showed them that I have been tested on cloud concept, billing and services

[errant karma]

it is not required for New Grad but with this market it is a good to have

[tardy geode]

oh i ee

*see

[daring gazelle]

That I know shit like loadbalancer

Infrastructure as code

How to deploy app to the cloud

How to make CI/CD pipeline on AWS

[tardy geode]

[daring gazelle]

Just that shit

[tardy geode]

damn

[young peak]

Good thing you told em.

I remember some fuckers giving me an offer only to reject me after I told them

They were like "you should have told us earlier"

[daring gazelle]

Other than that the cert is there just as a goal for me to study

Like

If I am studying Azure

Then getting tested for a cert helps

[young peak]

Certs are fine if you're looking for cloud specific jobs. The only issue I have is it stereotypes you

[errant karma]

"You actually passed the interview but we don't hire (not even sponsor) international students"

[young peak]

Like I tried really hard to not be known as some Asian dude applying for backend roles lol

[daring gazelle]

I want to specialize anyway

[young peak]

Stereotype does not mean specialize

[daring gazelle]

Ahhh

Its fine

I have lived with being hella Asian

Even Asian confuse me

[young peak]

How close does this sound to you. Indian/Chinese dude with an AWS or Azure cert. Went to a decent mid tier uni in the states or Canada. Looking for back-end, full stack or cloud positions. You have a lot of tech knowledge but your speaking might not be 100% golden

[daring gazelle]

I go to China town Chinese speak mandarin to me even though I am not Chinese

I meet my own people they speak english

Even know I am native born

[young peak]

That's kinda what I mean by stereotyping. It doesn't help you at all.

[errant karma]

don't specialize right out of college maybe once you have experience

[young peak]

Specializing is fine and dandy but the current market wants a high performing generalist or a machine learning god

The next Sergey or Alan Turing

[daring gazelle]

Hahaha i was trained in a specialized english class before I came over here if they interview me i speak fluent

[young peak]

^ bro I'd say that would make it worse

[daring gazelle]

Its over

[young peak]

Naw I'm kidding

I learned English as a kid so I never liked the idea of taking specialized classes

[daring gazelle]

Oh its so that I can get a high score on the IELTS

And not have to waste 2 years on ESL

[errant karma]

@young peak don't demoralize him now

[young peak]

What was your IELTS score? If it wasn't a 9

[daring gazelle]

7.5

[young peak]

Bruh

[daring gazelle]

More like 7.3

They round it up

[errant karma]

it keeps coming down

[young peak]

Good you got over 7 though that's all that matters

[young peak]

Naw we're just being chill

[daring gazelle]

Its only 6 to not ESl

[young peak]

I did TOEFL instead

[errant karma]

I did TOEFL too

[daring gazelle]

Considering I didn't know a lick of english before I was 12

And study for like 4 years

I think it was worth

[young peak]

Score?

I got a 110/120

I think that translates to an 8.5 on IELTS

[errant karma]

99/120

[daring gazelle]

No one ever get a 9

[young peak]

That 1 point is brutal bro

[errant karma]

For real

[daring gazelle]

At most I heard is 8

8.5

[errant karma]

I ended up not using my scores anywhere

[daring gazelle]

You were raise on it practically

us peasants have to go to training school

[young peak]

I went to private school yeah

Back home everyone felt like they knew English tho

[daring gazelle]

Singapore?

[young peak]

Something like that

[daring gazelle]

My people are horrible at english

Some dudes came over her

[errant karma]

it crazy how lots of people are so poor in English in college Yet they require almost perfect scores from international students

[daring gazelle]

Got naturalize to be US Citizen

[young peak]

Nice

[daring gazelle]

I talk to him and was like wtf

[young peak]

Chinese?

[daring gazelle]

Vietnamese

Chinese mistaken me for one their own all the time

[young peak]

Viet folks are either military folk that naturalized or hyper smart college folk

[gleaming fable]

most international english speakers have a better grasp on english than americans do

our edu system here is in tatters man

[daring gazelle]

Nah its like a 6

[young peak]

Most Americans are dumb, especially by international standards. How tf is the average SAT score 1030

[daring gazelle]

6 on IELTS would do

[gleaming fable]

kids graduating secondary school / high school with sub 3rd grade reading levels

[daring gazelle]

They have better shit to do I guess

Live life

[gleaming fable]

public education has been undergoing steady cuts for 30 years here

[errant karma]

[daring gazelle]

Ride horse

[gleaming fable]

it arguably peaked in the late 80s and its been downhill since

[young peak]

Naw man they're just stupid, zero education but a ton of ego

[daring gazelle]

Hahahaha

You cant be too based on this server

[errant karma]

being averagely dumb and having a huge population is a disaster

[daring gazelle]

You are exposing us dude

[young peak]

Public education is over here. Teachers are quitting. Kids are increasingly becoming violent. Management keeps siphoning money from parents and teachers alike

[daring gazelle]

God If people know what Asians discussed with their own people

[gleaming fable]

a lot of corporations want to privatize our education system so they've slowly lobbied against funding and reform for our public schools, and the distribution of funds is hilariously unequal. Schools are funded by local property taxes so rich areas are the only ones with decent public schools

[daring gazelle]

They probably hate us more than whites

[young peak]

That's why you just spam click accept on intelligent but desperate H1B folk since they're the ones that can fix shit for you

[gleaming fable]

florida is on the brink of outright abolishing public schools and just handing them over to private entities and switching to a charter/voucher system its fucked

[daring gazelle]

Hahahah

Be the US

Print a garzilion dollars

Throw it at the problem

Listen to a bunch of social activist and implement retarded reform

[gleaming fable]

Exactly, the US is fundamentally incapable of solving even a single systemic issue at this point

[daring gazelle]

Demolist entire school system again

[gleaming fable]

like the entire governmental process is essentially locked up and frozen

[young peak]

Can't help but think that political divide only exists because politicians want divide. That's how you get radical support right, by hating the other "side"

[gleaming fable]

absolutely nothing gets done

[errant karma]

I used to think it was culture shock but NAH. kids are very bad behaved. Discipline and respecting your elders was unquestionable.

[daring gazelle]

The problem isnt that the US is incapable of fixing things

Its that it doesn't want to

[young peak]

The US is a bucket of cash that's being burned from the bottom. Just take as much as you can from the top and bounce before it all goes up in flames

That's why I'm hyper averse in actually settling down

[daring gazelle]

Thats the truth

[gleaming fable]

its def cause of that, if they make the people fight each other over stupid fake divides like culture and political party (cause lets be real the US parties are pretty damn close ideologically) we don't pay attention to how the country is being broken up and sold for pennies

[young peak]

Idgaf about gay folk, that has zero relation to my life. Lazy stupid and fat are big issues def

[daring gazelle]

@young peak add me

I have to hide my power level again

Else get banned

[errant karma]

I get mad when I see a lazy stupid person who is rich like how did that happen

[daring gazelle]

Marry an American girl dude

Hahaha

[gleaming fable]

100% fucking true holy shit

I want to get out of here literally ASAP

[young peak]

Wtf does this mean lol

Wdym power level

[daring gazelle]

Yeah I love that I speak a mongoloid language no one understands ngl

I let loose with my people

[young peak]

Ayo don't say mongoloid in front of me

[daring gazelle]

Ever watch Dragon Ball

[young peak]

Yeah

Oh yeah my team is full of hyper left Chinese folk lol

[gleaming fable]

you'd never know it in meetings, everyone seems like bog standard american libs

[rain patio]

damn, its that bad huh

[errant karma]

Everyone in corporate is acting for 8 hours a day

[gleaming fable]

ik that kind of rhetoric yogi says can seem like an exaggeration but its honestly true

[daring gazelle]

Hahaha

[gleaming fable]

this whole country has been on borrowed time since the 70s crisis of profit and the complete subjugation of labor power + de-industrialization

[daring gazelle]

Dude I am telling you

If everyone start showing their power level at once

[young peak]

The more you get higher up, the more you see

[daring gazelle]

We take over the industry

[young peak]

I'm not even high up too but I can see it

[pine topaz]

show me ur power level long thai

[daring gazelle]

Nah man

I dont know you

The US is a free country

But I live in Seattle

Right next to Chaz for 2 years

Not really free

Free to speak when people agree with you

[gleaming fable]

man what a shitshow that was

[errant karma]

free with police brutality on the side

[daring gazelle]

Dude my college was right next to it

I attend class with literal Antifas

Ngl they were pretty chill

Bunch of weed heads

[gleaming fable]

sounds like your typical anarchists lol

[daring gazelle]

But I wouldn't take advice from them on how to fix society

[errant karma]

NY is like unending comedy show

[daring gazelle]

Hahaha

Dude

I called it a rat race dystopian prison once

People got upset here

[gleaming fable]

highkey nyc is the only place left with genuine community in this country imo

[daring gazelle]

There are communities anywhere

[young peak]

Seattle Eastside has some of the nicest people I've seen in the states

[daring gazelle]

Go to church buddy

[errant karma]

NY is where the real capitalists are. No regard for life just money

[gleaming fable]

bro there's so few churches left here

my church growing up closed due to such few attendees

[young peak]

It's always been that way tho tbf

[gleaming fable]

and I'm not a christian anymore regardless

[daring gazelle]

Church is the funniest place you can be in the US

The irony of hearing hypocrites preach morals

[errant karma]

Religion is already lost

[gleaming fable]

oh yeah religion is truly well and dead in the US

[young peak]

Have you guys gone to those high incomer parties

It's nuts

[daring gazelle]

I dotn have a job

[gleaming fable]

I went to one in SF during my work trip, its crazy

[daring gazelle]

Is it like where are the folk from Blind meet?

[young peak]

Me and my wife went to one here in Seattle and omfg

[daring gazelle]

The 700k full stack engi

[young peak]

Everyone wants a threesome first of all lmfao

[errant karma]

Bro I went to one. I thanked god I am poor

[young peak]

But everyone was super right

[gleaming fable]

DUDE YES

[daring gazelle]

How old are you? Wife?

[gleaming fable]

They're all into weird sex shit

[young peak]

Wife is 22, I'm 23

[daring gazelle]

Shit

I am 21

[gleaming fable]

when it came out that sam bankman fried and the higher ups at FTX were all in a polycule thing I was not surprised in the slightest

[daring gazelle]

Never would imagine me marrying anyone soon

[daring gazelle]

His dad is well connected

But have you seen his GF?

[errant karma]

time to marry up. You are missing out on benefits of being married to an American

[gleaming fable]

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

[daring gazelle]

Hahahhag

[young peak]

Bro these rich folk be doing some wacky crazy shit. Coke was obvious to me but most of em are super down to earth right leaning people that just made bank because their narcissism matched their skill level

[errant karma]

instead of 1200 apps you would need like 100 at most

[daring gazelle]

Yeah dude

If I just drop all my standards

Get a real big one

[gleaming fable]

yup same thing, a lot of them were surprisingly grounded

[daring gazelle]

Then its easy

But I would be fucked

For the rest of my life

[young peak]

I mean if you find a hot chick that completely vibes with you and is from your country, you'd probably want to lock that down too right lmao

[errant karma]

wait back up what are you refering to

[young peak]

She also makes more money than me lmfao

[daring gazelle]

Not that lucky

[daring gazelle]

A person with huge personality

[young peak]

The whole party was for a fundraiser too

[daring gazelle]

Beside

[errant karma]

lucky

[daring gazelle]

I live in the middle of nowhere now

No Asians here

Just for college

[errant karma]

Oooh I thought you were saying you wanted to marry a fat person

[gleaming fable]

ah yes the convoluted charity fundraising/kickback/tax evasion scheme

[daring gazelle]

Idk man like I said

I might get banned

[gleaming fable]

its wild how brazen the corruption is with charities here

[daring gazelle]

You think rich peopel actually donate?

[gleaming fable]

nah of course not

[errant karma]

charities is corruption hidden in plain sight

[gleaming fable]

I just thought there'd be at least more pre-tense to covering up the corruption

[gleaming fable]

right

[daring gazelle]

@young peak master how do you rizz up Asian women who not only are hot but makes more than you?

Impossible task

[errant karma]

if they actually donate then they won't be rich

[gleaming fable]

you gotta get into a position where you love yourself first my man

improve yourself for the right reasons and it'll be self-evident

[daring gazelle]

I love myself more than anything

[gleaming fable]

my wife and I met in college and we both knew pretty much right away we were gonna be together

[errant karma]

I actually had an Asian lady who we used to vibe. Time to reignite the love

[daring gazelle]

Yeah if i am not doing that then why even bother come to the US to now struggling to find a job

[daring gazelle]

You meet women in college?

My CS classes and calculus are sausage fest

[gleaming fable]

just a couple, never vibed with anyone until I met my wife and it was instant

[fallen fox]

my cs classes were like 90% penis

[gleaming fable]

we were on the same wave-length

[daring gazelle]

Fr

[errant karma]

Tell them Long Thai you were busy doing Cloud Certs in college

[iron lily]

bro has a wife 💀

[daring gazelle]

Nah man

[frank wedge]

How high income are we talking, i went to a ridiculous one before

[iron lily]

are u not a new grad dude

[gleaming fable]

yeah

we dated for 5 years first tho

we met pretty much right at the beginning of college

[daring gazelle]

Young love

Its all good

Until

[frank wedge]

Your what

[daring gazelle]

I remember Brad Pitt got cheated on

I am like

[errant karma]

you have a billionaire friend. I am going to lose it

[daring gazelle]

She cheated on Brad Pitt?

Lock him down

[errant karma]

makes sense

[frank wedge]

It’s @pulsar mural

[daring gazelle]

Oh no

Maybe a strategy is

To marry a real old woman

[errant karma]

@pine topaz has a bot to reply when mentioned. This is proof

[daring gazelle]

Get green card

Join military immediately

[frank wedge]

No. He was just in my dms

[daring gazelle]

And stay there until you naturalized

[frank wedge]

[errant karma]

Step 1 unclear how to get green card

[daring gazelle]

After marrying a 60 years old lady

[errant karma]

The good old strategy

[daring gazelle]

Like in one of those 90 days fiancé show

You have to pay the price till the green card arrive

But after that

Pack your back

[errant karma]

A small price to pay

[daring gazelle]

Run to the recruiting office

Join and be a grunt

[errant karma]

Bro getting green card takes like 12 months from getting married

[daring gazelle]

ICE wont touch you if the Army own your ass

[daring gazelle]

Yeah man

The price

You better prepare the Listerine

[errant karma]

I am gambling with H1B

[daring gazelle]

Its over for me I think

[errant karma]

ooh dont forget the diversity lottery

[daring gazelle]

I might just go back

My mum take care of me

Be a neet till I die

[daring gazelle]

Unfortunately i cant even join that

[errant karma]

This is where good people turn to criminals

[daring gazelle]

I dont even think I have the guts for that

[errant karma]

imaging taking my leetcode skills back to Africa all a waste

[daring gazelle]

How it is there

Hahaha

I know

Its because its so cultured

Eat chicken and eggs only bro

Cheap and filling

Buy that frozen bag

[gleaming fable]

its crazy how CA manages to outpace even the US with the gap between wages and housing prices

I thought it was the worst here but naw

[daring gazelle]

They love their prime minister so much

They elect the same dude over and over not because he is good but because he is charismatic

[gleaming fable]

I can't believe he survived the black face + racist costume scandals lmao

[daring gazelle]

So I guess Canada got the policies that it wanted

[daring gazelle]

No one cares

[gleaming fable]

you'd think his supporters would've cared but it just seemed like they were unfazed

wild

[daring gazelle]

The problem is Canadian unlike other country is one of those place you can say "they get what they voted for"

[daring gazelle]

Nah most people are hypocrites

It does

You only say that because 1 dude keep getting reelected

Try another one?

No choice now

Its too late

Its already fucked

The only thing to do now is to prop up and wait

Could have been prevented though

It not like people didn't get any warnings

Like I said

You cant just prop up one party to make a situation irreversible then blame all parties when yhey try slow down the inevitability

No one is conservative in Canada

Labels you give to people you don't like practically

[tardy geode]

@pure mauve bro you on a roll gg

[pine topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/doug-ford-road-trip-delicious-dougie-smile-gif-17883916

i mean douggy is doing an amazing jobs in privatizing our helathcare

stepehen leece is also another demon

[pastel bane]

will my first job at a no-name company (literally has no linkedin page) greatly affect my future career?

[tardy geode]

bruv in this economy just take what you get

don't think more about future and NO

what you do at work matters more , and your skills

[gleaming fable]

Not really tbh, and you just gotta take what you can get

[swift falcon]

is scale ai rescinding offers?

[pure mauve]

Thanks dawg, just a lot of hard work over this past year

Started from the bottom

[pure mauve]

Source?

[livid yew]

@grim ore

I saw you pinged me earlier

[lone rapids]

Gave a oa which had 10 q 2 system design questions 1 lc.1 api design 6 mcq bruh so hard and the salary is like 80-90k

[quick wraith]

I would just end the OA

[lone rapids]

I’m desperate

[swift falcon]

what is mcq

[late kestrel]

multiple choice question

[swift falcon]

ah I see

this tbh

they doin it for the money too, not because they actually like it

[prime palm]

@pure mauve sup

congrats

I'm curious on pelotons numbers

[swift falcon]

smh

[faint umbra]

Can't see new grad roles, is the season over ??

Linkedin is pretty dry, no roles the one's I see requires exp

[swift falcon]

ok so tonight I'm gonna try and break 100 apps

i'm going to apply to everything in the last week that's remote

yeah fr doe

or even if you could search the workday sites

but I don't think that's possible

right?

the problem is, any site that tries to do this has to engage with companies and get them to advertise

yeah for sure

[tardy geode]

prayge for interview

[swift falcon]

bro how do you get these notifications

[tardy geode]

same

while internship hunt had got 4 calls from it so i have some hopes

[timber rock]

honestly don't think i've ever got a response from easy apply

[tardy geode]

but hope is so 2022/2021

no return offer and bb ghost still hurts till today

cold emailing is also not helping

[swift falcon]

I feel like this is what a lot of mbas and communication majors do

they get the title "Account Executive"

and feel important

[timber rock]

i actually got a recruiter in my dms today trying to recruit me into recruiting

[fossil jewel]

sounds like accounting

lmao

[swift falcon]

u can call urself a Technical Recrooter

wow that is diabolical

[young peak]

Your resume also comes with a "LinkedIn" label which basically is a signal that it's getting tossed in the trash lmfao

Don't even use the non easy apply ones. Just find openings then search it on Google

[swift falcon]

alr just gonna mark those as 'rejected' on my spreadsheet

[young peak]

Yeh no actually do that

Even in 2022 I had a fat zero conversion from applying on LinkedIn to an OA

[swift falcon]

FORTNITE

I'm playin fortna mom

get out of my room

[tardy geode]

but the apply button redirects you to company page only if its a non easy apply

[young peak]

Yeah but the API that handles that sends the company a token alongside your app once you go there and apply. Actually it's more like it sends your info long before you even apply. It's for measuring throughput rates

Once you click, your profile is immediately registered in both databases. After you apply on the company website, that table has a column "applied" and that gets ticked to True

[swift falcon]

I don't understand why some workday resume scanners are great and others are shit and I have to enter everything in

[gilded swan]

I come from the future you all will get a job.

[swift falcon]

Solve the customer’s problems, not yours When making decisions, think from the perspective of the customer. It’s easy to make decisions that make our lives simpler, but not the customers.

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-dr-evil-how-gif-19601238

[tardy geode]

[tardy geode]

damn this is interesting , ty sir yogi

[lunar hatch]

I think if it says resume downloaded after the viewed

There’s nontrivial chance of interview

[tardy geode]

[lunar hatch]

Got an interview from linden shore and it said resume downloaded several hours after app viewed

That’s the only conversion to interview for me on LinkedIn easy apply

[swift falcon]

got to 52 apps

I don't think 100 is happening tonight

[pure mauve]

I’ll hit u up when I get it

[narrow harbor]

do a lot of you guys get asked about your projects on resume or other stuff on your resume?

[dusky lark]

yep

oh sorry I meant no
We got no interviews

[round tapir]

Hi guys, if I graduate in 12/24, can I attend NG interviews in Fall23? I mean do companies hire students graduate in 12/24 this Fall? Thank you!

[bleak raven]

the move is to intern for summer 2024 and have them give u a return offer

[round tapir]

Ah I see, but can I directly seek for NG this Fall? Because I’m afraid I cannot get a return offer after my internship this summer.

[errant karma]

YESS. New Grad positions open in August/September/October for those graduating 2024

[round tapir]

Thank you 🙂

[brave forge]

he's graduating december 2024 though, not january. I would be surprised if any place interviewed that far off? I'm graduating dec 23 and am still waiting till june/july for the 24 postings

like the other guy said, the best thing to do is to just intern at the company over the summer and try to get a return offer

intern postings should be opening up by then later this year for 24

[swift falcon]

7:40 AM rejection

wake up and smell the roses

[tardy geode]

[sleek owl]

Will we be in a disadvantage as 2023 grads for next season?

[fair zinc]

yes

[lunar hatch]

Do companies really care about the grad date

I think most companies just say within six months of graduation

Or a yr

[jade solar]

Has anybody else interviewed with Okta yet?

[lunar hatch]

Sde ng?

[jade solar]

Yeah

[lunar hatch]

Goated I did not get oa

[jade solar]

Ok, yeah I’ve only seen a couple of others get interview requests. I applied last year and would’ve gotten an offer but then they froze hiring. Trying again this time, got a faster process, did my final interview yesterday

[lunar hatch]

I see. Gl

[timber rock]

Does cap1 call to reject

Missed call from my recruiter, i had assessment day last week

[late kestrel]

for US they setup a post powerday debrief call which is a verbal offer

but its scheduled not cold

[timber rock]

[jade solar]

I’m a TDP who started last month and got the offer back in august. I didn’t know of anyone who was called to be rejected, but I suppose anything can happen.

[timber rock]

I guess we'll find out in like 10 mins

[late kestrel]

[livid yew]

[lunar hatch]

Jw if I jump from a quant place to tech

During the non compete period

I can get double base right?

[late kestrel]

why wouldnt ya

[lunar hatch]

yeah so basically was just checking if non-compete base works for the whole time period regardless of whether you're employed by others

as long as not employed by one of the listed competitors

[tardy geode]

my take is right now a bit of hiring is still happening , things are gonna go more spiral further tbh

people thought from jan 2023 things will get better , infact they got worse . coupled now with few banks collapsing like SVB and credit suisse(this didn't collapse but got taken over which means there will be shit ton of layoffs at credit

meta and zon gonna lay off like 10k each

goog and msft will follow

also rn companies won't get that much media scrutiny if they did layoffs , but in a normal time if they did then its a lot . So now its a chance for them to shed some peeps

there have been silent layoffs happening too , take that into account too

[lunar hatch]

not sure if digital asset is a temporary move rn

will be in the process with a digital asset trading firm

also waiting for gts final result

[tardy geode]

good luck bro

[lunar hatch]

tysm

[iron lily]

Are you an international student? If so, what’s your game plan if you don’t have any US offers by the end of this season?

[lunar hatch]

gts is for a six-month internship mostly tho

and the digital asset place is FT

[tardy geode]

well , contract work or some consultancy shit .

[lunar hatch]

currently planning to do gts internship (if offered) + doordash FT if everything goes smoothly

[tardy geode]

my manager wants me back but SVP isn't approving coz of hiring freeze

FUCK THIS ECONOMY MAN

[lunar hatch]

but i think if tech is collapsing i might as well take the digital asset place if offered

🥲

[tardy geode]

tech is done for the next 2-3 years

[lunar hatch]

yeah but i mean digital asset thing is nothing better right

[tardy geode]

feds are gonna increase interest rates and have been very vocal about it , this will inculcate fears resulting in more layoffs

you mean crypto i suppose

[lunar hatch]

yeah mostly DeFi

[tardy geode]

yeah

[lunar hatch]

something like that

welp

[tardy geode]

ok so Psynoix contacted me for a SDET role

ik its SDET

[lunar hatch]

Gl!

[tardy geode]

but this is a trash market

ty

[lunar hatch]

i mean just take everything you have

that's my move rn

[tardy geode]

holy shit they have like 7 rounds wtf

[lunar hatch]

wtf 7 rounds for sdet???

[tardy geode]

[lunar hatch]

they'd better pay you like quant

[tardy geode]

its NC

so i don't think so

lets see , i have a call with the recruiter today

[livid yew]

Psynoix is Rocket league right?

It's a sub company of Epic Games. Their HQ is in NC

[tardy geode]

yea

i think that beta tester thingy worked

[lunar hatch]

they seem to not care as long as i am open to FT next year

[tardy geode]

yea

[lunar hatch]

yeah i think they do summer and fall

usually flexible with the timeline

i indicated i am open to their FT for next year

[livid yew]

Best of luck 🤞

[swift falcon]

so I'm prepping for interview later today, and I'm realizing I may be doing myself a disservice by not including a section for my master's thesis on my resume

i'm writing out a brief bullet point list

and it looks like a section that could be included in job experience

maybe it's worth including a project section on this with dates to show it wasn't just some term project and I spent a year working on it?

[lunar hatch]

yeah that's worth mentioning

[timber rock]

yes.

[tardy geode]

tyy

[lunar hatch]

damn sry to hear that

[timber rock]

i got very positive feedback on all interviews and she said there were no negative points to improve

but "other candidates were stronger"

[tardy geode]

[livid yew]

[timber rock]

thats probably my last chance gone

going jobless i think

[livid yew]

[timber rock]

see u next season gang

[late kestrel]

[tardy geode]

Indeed laying of 15% , 2200 approx

[plush lily]

What about cognizant?

[tardy geode]

wtf is this market

i feel this is the year of layoffs

FFS

[timber rock]

probably not getting that

i do have 2 more interviews for internships this week but those are c++ and c# focused, and i dont know either of those, so im not passing

[plush lily]

Why? Did they tell you

[timber rock]

because the guy was weird and some of my answers were shit

also got a rejection from my first choice company this morning which i thought i aced the previous interview in

been a shitty day

i have a masters offer

so i made 2 resumes

[tardy geode]

an indeed employee on blind

[plush lily]

Damn, try to go for a walk and don't think about it

[tardy geode]

[late kestrel]

wow you being slow on blind news?

smh

stop slacking

[weary falcon]

my recruiter hit me up last night, check this morning on LinkedIn. Dude got laid off. Rippp

[tardy geode]

[swift falcon]

sad but kind of funny

in a sad way

[left shoal]

how long should i wait to follow up after a final interview?

didn't mention any timeline during the interview

[swift falcon]

it's usually a 1-2 weeks right?

[left shoal]

yeah its been a week

but my anxiousness kickin in lol

[swift falcon]

ig reddit says 2 weeks

but it's 2023 idk

[left shoal]

aight ill wait

[drowsy pollen]

Same here

It’s been 6 days

[sleek owl]

Does bny Mellon take opt?

[stone granite]

no afaik

Maybe for experienced/senior candidates but not new grads

[sleek owl]

Even if I don’t need sponsorship in the future?

[fallen fox]

if you have opt a lot of companies automatically assume you need sponsorship

you can say you don't need sponsorship but they will eventually find out during the I-9 process

at that stage, the company can choose to proceed with you

or rescind your offer

[swift falcon]

What are some accomplishments and milestones that I'd be expected to meet in the first 90 days? Are there any 6 month to a year?
good or bad question to ask interviewer (in screen)?

[fallen fox]

imo pretty good question

im stealing it

[swift falcon]

laf

i stole it too

how about this one:

What is the performance and review process like? What's the time frame for that, yearly? Twice a year?

[tardy geode]

rec call in 5 mins

[fallen fox]

[tacit grove]

which company?

[tacit grove]

Goodluck!!! 👍

[tardy geode]

Psyonix

[tardy geode]

ty

[lunar hatch]

talked to linden shore hr and they looking for immediate starters

🥲

[swift falcon]

what’s an immediate starter?

and why aren’t you that?

[lunar hatch]

as soon as april

[swift falcon]

sign me up tho

[lunar hatch]

i am international student so cannot work before opt start date

[swift falcon]

ah

lame

[sleek owl]

Hopefully by that time I get my work permit

Assuming I get an offer of course

[delicate sigil]

Can someone suggest a really good site to check if my resume is compliant to ATS basing on the job description

[fallen fox]

smartrecruiters

[young peak]

Jobscan

[delicate sigil]

how accurate is it? and is there any hack to get it for a low price?

[young peak]

It's free and it's kinda accurate

But ATS scans are never 100% on point

Best you can do is get a min of 80

[tardy geode]

what am i doing wrong here i don't understand

[livid yew]

[tardy geode]

techie y u bully

[livid yew]

oh I saw light mode, and was sad

looks fine to me

[distant rampart]

are we allowed to apply for 2024 new grad positions even if we graduate this may?

[lunar hatch]

does candid health sponsor h1b

wanted to double check since haven't seen other international students there

both in process and on linkedin

[tardy geode]

giving me an error

says wrong answer

[swift falcon]

30 minutes till call

[swift bobcat]

Shouldnt it be if j<len(s2) on line 15

[tardy geode]

omfg

ty yeah that was it

[swift bobcat]

Lmao np

[swift bobcat]

No they dont

[lunar hatch]

oh it's confirmed?

for all the roles right?

25bps right

at least not as bad

they said it would be 50 bps earlier

with the current market situation a 50 bps hike would blow the market off to the ground

and literally done

[tardy geode]

they won't and its gonna get much more worse

this is a fact

accept or deny but it is

[lunar hatch]

the word was "signaled" on yahoo

[tardy geode]

[swift bobcat]

Idk ab all roles but thats what the recruiter told me for the new grad role

[lunar hatch]

oh i am interviewing for the full stack role

gonna ask the recruiter then

[swift falcon]

we fucked

[lunar hatch]

i think fed will keep the 25bps hike for a while

at least not gonna decrease

[swift falcon]

100k is the new 60k

we’re all doomed

the great re-recession

[outer radish]

honestly, penciling in one more rate hike is better then drilling continuously through the year like they did last year

investors and shareholders are gonna be much less volatile if they know the market is not gonna get j POWd whenever he hits the stage

im doubling down on post inflation boom

[errant gorge]

Low key thought j pow was gonna boom the market by raising 0.5

If I’m j pow I’m gon say fk it we let the intrusive thoughts win

[swift falcon]

phew done with screen

I think it went well, but who knows

[west pagoda]

Lmao

[swift falcon]

will hear back by friday probs

[dusky juniper]

Anyone who has done C3 AI hiring manager round -- how soon after did you hear back?

[pure mauve]

A week my guy gl

[dusky juniper]

Ty, did you end up getting an offer? I have no idea how selective they are after HM round, some companies are much more stingy than others

[pure mauve]

Unfortunately not, they are selective as fuck

Probably hardest behavioral I’ve had tbh

[dusky juniper]

Wdym hardest behavioral you've had? Mine was mostly focused on like what do you want out of your next role, why C3

[swift bobcat]

Which role?

[dusky juniper]

Solutions Engineer

[swift bobcat]

Wtf they literally cancelled my interviews and sent me an email saying they’re no longer hiring for that role 😂😂

[dusky juniper]

Was yours NG? I am not NG despite being on this discord

[swift bobcat]

Oh, yeah it was

[pastel bane]

hello, where can I look for general interview experience? I only know glassdoor

[tacit grove]

Is linkedin working for you guys? I'm unable to search anything in the search bar...not sure whether there is something wrong with my system

[shut crescent]

have u heard of a guy called neetcode

[swift falcon]

I got an onsite interview request right as my other phone screen started

from a different company

so weird how that timing works

what’s also weird, is that I screened with this company last fall for a job they reject me, now it’s the same recruiter but they said this

Great news — we would like to move forward and set up a 45 minute onsite interview for you to meet our leaders!

so like, does this mean they’re just picking up from where we left off!?!

[pastel bane]

same for me

[tacit grove]

Okay phew I thought I had some virus on my system

thanks for checking

[pastel bane]

now it is OK

weird

[tacit grove]

it's still lagging

I can search now but when I go to more results it is saying no results found

Is it completely working for you now?

[pastel bane]

yeah it is working for me now

but sometimes when I change the keywords the result doesnt refresh

[worn topaz]

how fucked do u guys think i am if i graduate without an internship? is it irrepairable

[icy barn]

would like to know as well :

[chilly burrow]

It will be tough, especially if the job market doesn't significantly improve.
Is it possible to get a job without an internship? Probably.
Will it be extremely difficult? Probably.
Best of luck

[worn topaz]

if you can offer some advice on some steps that can be taken to improve my odds that would be greatly appreciated

[chilly burrow]

Tips on Getting the Interview

• have impactful projects on your resume: without experience, one of the next best things you can have is good projects. Whether that be a site with 1000s of page views, a lib you made with a few dozen stars, or open-source contributions.
• research experience: having research experience can be a big help
• get referrals to companies: self-explanatory but try and get referrals from friends, alumni, and even randos on blind or smth
• apply early: the earlier you apply the better your chances
• apply often: apply to any job that you are even somewhat qualified for. do not worry about customizing your resume, just spray and pray.
• cold email: if you are ghosted, try cold-emailing recruiters to hopefully get them to take a chance on you
• go to events: ex. greylock techfair, colourstack, info sessions, etc. after attending you can try and follow up with any recruiters in attendance
• get your resume reviewed: get your resume reviewed multiple times. From #1019675142248468601 here, from the resume channel on csMajors, from friends you trust, etc.

Tips on Passing the Interview

• read up on company values
• have stories in mind for each of your experiences/projects on your resume that showcase your positive traits
• have a good understanding of each bullet/point you write down
• practice leetcode and understand common patterns/data structures/algos
• learn some system design

[prime palm]

Uhhhh

@jagged ravine

[lime moth]

Anyone here had an interview with L3Harris?

[sonic coral]

How close are you to graduating

[cedar gulch]

@worn topaz codepath has apps open for their summer classes rn, including technical interviewing prep. If you complete one of their courses you’ll also be invited to their virtual career fair

[timber rock]

it'll be hard but not impossible, plenty of big companies will interview you as long as you're good at oas

[prime palm]

Are you his dad or something

Why can't I ping soybean lmao

Kk

My bad

Just informing you your son is expelled

[distant rampart]

Even expedia is having a layoff..?

Damn

[fossil jewel]

damn wtf

[cinder ingot]

Solutions Engineer

[frank wedge]

Wdym even, don’t you remember what they did last time

[cinder ingot]

Wtf they literally cancelled my

[cedar gulch]

Where did u see that?

[distant rampart]

https://layoffstracker.com/expedia-lays-off-90-employees/

seems like only 90 are affected tho

but im surprised i thought they were doing well

• https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2023/03/22/2023-layoff-tracker-indeed-cuts-2200-employees/?sh=489bf3411929

[cedar gulch]

thank you for sharing

[swift falcon]

smok wed

420 ouid

[distant rampart]

i personally feel it's a different skillset. You could solve 500 leetcode problems, yet have 0 skills in software dev. And you could have 10 years of exp in software dev and still have trouble solving medium lc problems

[errant gorge]

leetcode does not determine if someone is a good dev

[timber rock]

a lot of leetcode is just completely unrealistic for the job

[errant gorge]

might be some correlation but definitely not directly

[distant rampart]

it would be hard to be a good dev if u cant even solve easy lc problems

but dev jobs def dont require you to solve some weird 2d dp problems

[obsidian quartz]

Hi, I just got an offer from Uber (Bangladesh) in the business analyst position. (Mainly I have to work with PowerBI, Tableu, Excel and Data Science)

I am mainly a Software / Full Stack Dev and enjoy coding. But I am concerned about the future (hiring freeze, very low hire rate for sde in the future, chatgpt, saturated field) etc. Should I go for it or pass it?

[jovial latch]

no

leetcode is an arbitary measurement that does not indicate anything about ones actual skill

[timber rock]

thats pretty much what i think, i feel like lc does help to an extent, but there's lots of good devs who suck at lc and probably lcers who suck at dev

[distant rampart]

Do you have any better offers? If not, def accept it

[obsidian quartz]

Nope

[timber rock]

it's better than nothing, take it and keep looking

[distant rampart]

yeah then it would be dumb to pass the offer.. congrats for ur offer btw. keep any offer in this economy

[icy barn]

graduating in the spring, haven't landed an interview. pretty much screwed

[obsidian quartz]

Yeah.
I am currently working in a European startup (remote) with a decent salary with stock, health benefits. But the uber's one is lower offer though, only salary and ta/da + phone bills. And the salary is lower than the remote one. But I am also not sure about the job stability of that remote job. Sooo...

[distant rampart]

oh i thought u didnt have a job yet

[timber rock]

oh in that case i would keep ur current job (assuming its software dev)

unless you are interested in going into business analytics

[distant rampart]

If you enjoy swe job, dont go for a business analyst position. It might be hard to go back to swe role later

Uber name value is great but idk if it's worth changing to a position u are not interested in

[serene nymph]

anyone heard from openai

they ghosting at google lvl

[worthy aspen]

The hiring freeze will last a year or two in the worst case, and regardless of gpt, the field has more room to grow. As for your worry, you might struggle to land a swe/sde role with business analyst experience unless obv you get a MS in the US

[obsidian quartz]

Yeah, working as a Full Stack SWE. I do enjoy coding and my supervisor seemed to be happy to.

But, there are literally 3-4 well known MNCs / BigTech in Bangladesh and Uber is one of them.

Another one is Huawei. You won't believe I passed a Cloud Engineer role at Huawei just because it was an internship (6 months)+ the salary was 1/5th of my current job. Till this day I regret not agreeing with that offer.

[worthy aspen]

Finances aside, if your goal is to get a sde role in the US, it will pay to get more experience as a dev

[obsidian quartz]

Thanks a lot man. You were a great help. @timber rock @distant rampart and @worthy aspen

[swift falcon]

gooby pls

gib job

[bold pier]

Who invented lc hard? Gimme their number

[obsidian quartz]

South Asia is still not affected by the saturated market I guess. You can easily get one here.
Although you have to sacrifice everything else, including Quality of Life, Decent Salary xD

[swift falcon]

id be tempted if I didn’t have a family

[bold pier]

my family's in south asia but they don't want me back

[prime palm]

no

i solved 400 lc

im shit

[swift falcon]

i have low iq

I’m too low iq to cheat tbh

I have terrible luck when trying to do naughty things

😂

[swift falcon]

i gotta be honest

I am still trying to wrap my head around this 2nd company asking me for in person interview right away

to meet with “our leaders”

45 minutes

that’s a culture fit right?

[fallen fox]

startup?

[swift falcon]

nah it’s a legit like, mutual insurance/financial company

[fallen fox]

is it for a mid/senior level role?

[swift falcon]

not the biggest locally, but i think pretty big

it’s Software Developer II -Java

[fallen fox]

if it's a big and legit company then you should be fine

[swift falcon]

right, ig I was just expecting some sort of technical interview

even a screen tbh

unless maybe they changed stuff idk

I should look on glassdoor mb

beautiful, the latest one is from 2016 lol

yeah idk maybe

the recruiter that reached out to me actually did a screen for me for a different position last fall

and I sent in a technical survey

so like, are we just picking up where we left off? lol

you know

idk mang

I'm not religious but I be tempted to pray

[bold pier]

Take a pepper spray with you just in case

[swift falcon]

lol I'll be like V and Jackie raiding Arasaka

[tardy geode]

[tardy geode]

only prayge gonna save this economy

@pulsar mural

y u laughing

[late kestrel]

[tardy geode]

[late kestrel]

[neon perch]

It’s been months and months of ongoing shithousery and the way time is moving so quick

Everything is too much to comprehend

[sonic sand]

This will def increases the rate of cheating in OA. And that will eventually force companies making them harder . Let’s hope that find some ways before it get worst . And bit us in our ass.

[brave forge]

there is an easy way to counter it...don't ask OA and just test them in the interview. You can't use chatgpt while your interviewing

or use proctored OA like codesignal with a live video and audio recording to play back and catch anyone trying to cheat

[sonic sand]

Right. But companies need to adapt fast.

[brave forge]

that is called...an internship and it should always be paid

[brave forge]

they can't that is why they pay us lol. only the really desperate college students will go for unpaid, and likely the work output will be less quality and they will probably just stop showing up after a bit

[tardy geode]

what the

[surreal shuttle]

Did meta start hiring?

[sonic coral]

Gpt4 is expensive tho isn’t it?

Like it’s only for companies rn in terms of pricing

[brave forge]

you can do that in china also

just fill out your preferences and they will order you someone

homeless shelter may also be a good option in your salary range

[tacit grove]

There is no way this is true

[tardy geode]

yeah if you share your apt with peeps

if you thinking of taking a studio and shit then maybe not

[autumn iris]

rent is expensive in that area

better off getting roommates and saving

[tardy geode]

hence i said sharing

[lunar hatch]

day 3 after gts final

🥲

[night marsh]

You gotta get roommates on that salary

Getting a studio is gonna be rough

[lost falcon]

Jesus

[tardy geode]

ok this grug dude is back with his shitposting

get a life ffs

[night marsh]

Damn these lawmakers aren't giving the TikTok CEO a chance

I despise TikTok but damn

[livid yew]

So I looked at the TikTok thing today

pretty funny

good riddence, fuck that app and its culture

I mean you will eventually go into a office

trust me

if you are remote for the next 20-30 years, lmk

I will ask you again in 20

I don't know my impact

I have not measured "impact" before

I just do the work

and don't ask questions

I don't look at Jira

I just build new tools for engineers

and build new tools for customers

not a lot of impact

just work

not my job to determine "impact" lol

if I wanted a faster promo I would work harder for it

[night marsh]

kek

[livid yew]

smarter fuck tard

smh

go suck

to be fair, I have automated most of my daily tasks

I don't get emails

I like the hard problems, and breaking code

that is the fun part

if I did not get to write code and expirement, what fun would it be

then it would be similar to my 5 years of retail/labor work lol

I would prefer to not go back to that

is a side effect for me

when/if I have a family, I expect my SO to provide for some of the money

ok buddy

this grug guy, 5 YOE already has family. Won the game

stroke your cock more

I have not thought my life more than 1-2 years in the future lol

I live with the mentality that I can/might die at any moment.

I could not see my dad getting into tech tho

💀

very true

I know plenty of people who got married with kids at 18

I gave up on TC grind a while ago. Just not good enough at LC, and I don't mind the long path

yeah

I did start a new session recently. Trying to learn as a beginner again

oof

you had to log in to apply?

oh those credentials

we don't call that "credentials " in America

no it was a language joke

I think what you called "credentials" I call resume

idk

I am still getting used to all the Asians and Indians at my work 💀

vastly different than last job

You learned LeetCode, so you can learn the accent

[sonic coral]

We kinda do tho?

I’ve heard that term before

[errant gorge]

just block this guy

pure troll

[livid yew]

never in my lifetime

I work in authorization and authentication

Creds means something very diff to me

[sonic coral]

I’ve heard it in a professional context from some career people in hs / college

[late kestrel]

yeah ive never heard a native speaker use credentials in that context

[livid yew]

my last SWE job was all old white guys 💀

when did you graduate @balmy palm

nice

we did not have 2020 channel

[late kestrel]

hell nah youre just wrong ok

[errant gorge]

so all immigrants should get rid of their accents?

[pine topaz]

@tight abyss_pancakes

[livid yew]

I used to live in Iowa

its a chill place

small

cozy

[late kestrel]

nope. i live in a far better place

where no one uses credentials

in that way

u loser

[errant gorge]

why is it not lazy on your part for not getting used to their accent and forcing them to change instead of yourself

[late kestrel]

[errant gorge]

same logic on their side too then

not their job

[sonic coral]

Never heard a career advisor use it that way?

[errant gorge]

lmfao

you pay them then

self-entitled american trying to assert racism in a self-righteous way

[late kestrel]

ngl im not sure if ive ever talked to one

[errant gorge]

grug is the same type of people to tell a mute person to learn how to speak

[late kestrel]

wtf is going on

[covert pond]

Whats harder is focusing on your own problems instead of complaining on discord. You'd probably be less bitter.

[livid yew]

English is tough to learn to be fair

[late kestrel]

(hes a troll people relax)

[livid yew]

as a native speaker, its confusing lol

[fallen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[livid yew]

*learned

[late kestrel]

irl CC would be the biggest buff to humans ong

[livid yew]

is the US not your home country?

I have yet to be given a fully-remote role

my first full-time role was 2020-2022. all in-person

[sonic coral]

Fair enough I’ve had them both in hs and college lol

[late kestrel]

ill pay you 10k a year to be my fully remote motivational texter

[sonic coral]

Pretty useless tho ngl

[livid yew]

I did not even know about remote SWE work in 2020

nobody told me

[sonic coral]

Like the career center

[livid yew]

ok I will send you sussy texts

this troll

[late kestrel]

i want one month free trial tho

[sonic coral]

In hs I guess it’s more of a guidance counselor that gave career advice

[livid yew]