2023_grads

[jovial latch]

cause honestly some of them have their face way up their own ass

[lone copper]

🍏

[drifting talon]

Anyone else waiting to hear back after IXL final?

[teal jackal]

Your hostile neighborhood recruiter

[bold pier]

Your horny neighborhood recruiter

[livid yew]

[tardy geode]

GOAT

[lone rapids]

Would u accept a 70k offer in san diego?

[fallen fox]

in this current economy

absolutely yes

[lone rapids]

In person too?

[fallen fox]

if they pay for relocation

[lone rapids]

What if they dont

[fallen fox]

or if you can afford to relocate on your own

[lone rapids]

Looked at a posting giving 70k

[fallen fox]

are you graduating in May? or have you graduated already

[lone rapids]

Yes in may

[fallen fox]

then you have time to look around

i have 11 days

[lone rapids]

Thinking 70k is too low and i dont about relo

[lone rapids]

I saw u posted u got a offer

[fallen fox]

i told them i have opt at the final interview

[lone rapids]

Hope u get it.

Whats gonna be ur tc

[fallen fox]

70k

[lone rapids]

Also u can go to h1bdata

[fallen fox]

actually 68k

yeah i know

big company they do sponsor h1b

[lone rapids]

U hopefully should be good

Location

[fallen fox]

but this is an entry-level role and they dont sponsor entry level

[fallen fox]

NJ

[lone rapids]

NJ is hcol?

[fallen fox]

depends

this is in hamilton

so sorta

im already in nj so not a big deal right now

[lone rapids]

How you plan to live with 68k?

[fallen fox]

10 miles from where i live

[forest aspen]

should i try to negotiate this offer:
software engineer new grad

• tc: 110- 130k
• 1 day required in office
• at older legacy company

[jovial latch]

what company is this?

[fallen fox]

conduent

[lone rapids]

Good offer

[lone rapids]

How much is ur rent

[fallen fox]

0 right now, living with relatives

[lone rapids]

Then 68k is manageable

[fallen fox]

70k is decently comfortable if you dont have debt/loans

you can survive

also i need $$$ before all my bills go to collections

[lone rapids]

Ur base is 68k or total tc?

[fallen fox]

base i think

they haven't sent me an official offer letter yet

verbal offer

they're verifying my immigration paperwork

[lone rapids]

They gonna give stocks or relo or sign on based on other people offers on net u know?

[fallen fox]

talked to the lead recruiter today and she said they don't sponsor for entry-level

so i don't have hopes really

[lone rapids]

Consulting companies then

They will hire you for sure

[fallen fox]

[lone rapids]

I mean i heard they pay like 80k

[dense ocean]

im willing to take a dollar

[sonic coral]

Honestly dude 0 rent at 68k is def still chillin

[lone rapids]

Fake

[swift falcon]

24/7 365 ur locked in a room, finger always on button, have to eat soylent, get a colostomy bag and catheter installed

[forest aspen]

no its real i interviewed for this position last wee k

[lone rapids]

Link then 😂

What did they ask u in interview😂

[forest aspen]

cant say bc im on nda but they asked a lot of technicals like LC hards and some system design for it

[lone rapids]

Link😂

[halcyon pulsar]

@swift falcon just out of curiousity did u actually made 35 apps and got no offers?

[swift falcon]

yeah lol

i got 1 screen on this wed

[halcyon pulsar]

I thought having 6 apps are enough butt...
best luck man!

[tardy geode]

another day , another series of rejects

feels bad

[livid yew]

[delicate elm]

[upper crown]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/that-plum-job-listing-may-just-be-a-ghost-3aafc794?wsj_native_webview=android&ace_environment=androidphone%2Cwebview&ace_config={"wsj"%3A{"djcmp"%3A{"propertyHref"%3A"https%3A%2F%2Fwsj.android.app"}}}

[rain patio]

[mossy fiber]

ofc fake

[shut crescent]

i pretty much got the same offer, i ddint try to negotiate cuz they'll just bump it up like 5k max

u dont have leverage as a enw grad, not worth tbh

if u get a promotion then u should

[teal jackal]

id eat ass for 5k bump

[shut crescent]

i got 107k base + ~20k stock

[swift falcon]

id duck a sick for a job offer tbh

[pure mauve]

that is p good in this ecnonomy

[shut crescent]

im in the bay tho

its a pretty shit offer

[pure mauve]

what would you consider to be good?

[shut crescent]

luckily im not going to be paying rent for my first year tho

150k+ would've been decent

[jovial latch]

lmao
bro you aint paying rent and you have a legit job, the hardest part in your career is fuckin done mate

[shut crescent]

nope not northrop

[shut crescent]

yeah i accepted it a long time its fine ig

i still have to continue interviewing and applying tho

but it is what it is

this time ill actually get paid for leetcoding ig

[outer radish]

whoever does this boutta get the hunchback in the after life no cap

praying it

[lucid widget]

Why you not paying rent?

[livid yew]

Oh well in Bay, kinda low

But in bumfuck Midwest, you would be chillin

[shut crescent]

yeah but its fully remote

i could live wherever i want ig

ima just sit in cali for a year and then maybe decide

[lucid widget]

What’s the rent in cali?

[austere sand]

pre sure it's 4

[lone rapids]

U intl?

[clear bear]

Anyone know what to expect for the Cisco OA?

[bleak raven]

go to chicago

[fringe coral]

Is there any new grads positions for apple that I can apply?

[chilly burrow]

@austere sand plz do not share answers for ramp oa

[austere sand]

ok

[teal jackal]

The ui for the Cisco oa is mad annoying

So I bullshitted it

I remember the problems can be challenging though

[chilly burrow]

Please no misinformation

[tardy geode]

i don't think so

[shut crescent]

nope born in cali and live there currently

[shut crescent]

considering miami

[bleak raven]

is miami MCOL?

oh shit wtf

thats a steal

[shut crescent]

yeah its not bad

the plan is to find a better job in 1 yr

[bleak raven]

damnnnnnnnnn

[daring gazelle]

Wow

[shut crescent]

i like republicans

[daring gazelle]

Based

Careful man

[shut crescent]

i lived in cali my whole life

[daring gazelle]

Power level

[shut crescent]

democratic asf

[daring gazelle]

Yeah but this CS discord

[shut crescent]

yeah and? lmao who gives a shit its my view

u can have ur own

[bleak raven]

^^^^

[daring gazelle]

Wrong think will not be tolerated here

[bleak raven]

bruh what

[daring gazelle]

Hahaha

[shut crescent]

what r u talking about man

u dont have to hate someone for having a different view from u

[daring gazelle]

Didn’t say that I am

[bleak raven]

idk if anyone in this server feels this way lol

[shut crescent]

honestly i would prob have a roommate

i wonder hm rent would be

for like a year or two then get a better salary then upgrade

[daring gazelle]

Idk man If I show my entire power level here I would be banned instantly I am sure

[shut crescent]

im assuming u can find a spot for like 1.1k excluding utilities for like 2bed 2 bath

[bleak raven]

wdym power level 💀

[jovial latch]

i dont get it either

[sonic coral]

The party division in this country is so fuckin toxic man

[daring gazelle]

Oh it’s a Discord inside joke if you watch Dragon balls z as a kid

[shut crescent]

yeah man who cares if someone has different views, just live ur life thats always gonna be the case haha

[jovial latch]

live your life and let others live the way they want ig, who cares right

[sonic coral]

Fr man, and also fuck the radicals on both sides they ruin it for everyone

[shut crescent]

idk maybe its just me but everyone grew up differently so i accept alot

[daring gazelle]

Yeah yeah people in the US always say that

Then shit happens

[daring gazelle]

Not bad ngl for remote job

[sonic coral]

Ok yeah let’s stop talking politics because I can already see this about to become a dumpster fire

[jovial latch]

i didnt even say anything

[daring gazelle]

Like no one said anything

[jovial latch]

though i supose implications were made

[daring gazelle]

People like to say “let’s not talk about politics” but then pick up a simple joke such as “power level” as implications for “political”

[jovial latch]

i wasnt talking about that

[sonic coral]

Oh no I meant the whole “people in America always say this until shit happens” thing

[teal jackal]

Fuck it I'm gonna out my political leanings, I vote for the libertarian party

Either get a competent government or just not have a government

[daring gazelle]

Honestly I was just surprise about the rent in Cali

[teal jackal]

Also I'm learning to not be judgemental about others and respect their life choices the way I'd hope others would respect my life

[daring gazelle]

4K and for what?

[jovial latch]

honestly fuck it, my political leanings are irrelevant because america has no left wing representation lmao

[daring gazelle]

And here we go

[jovial latch]

govt just gonna bail out all the damn banks lmao

[shut crescent]

i think as long as u dont put down people about what they believe pretty much any topic is fine

[lone rapids]

Would u take 70k in san diego for a startup or consultancy firm for about 82k aand u could have to relo anywhere in us depending on contract

[daring gazelle]

If no other offer then yes

[shut crescent]

san diego is pretty expensive i think right

[lone rapids]

Yea im intl though

Else i would have gone for defense countries lol

[bleak raven]

i feel like with startup ur H1 is prolly more safe?

[shut crescent]

have u done the math if u were to take either offer? like san diego vs for example miami or arizona

(if the goal is to attain as much money as u can)

[lone rapids]

Ofc other places would be cheaper but they r contracts

[daring gazelle]

I would rather startup I guess pay less but maybe if you work hard h1b

[sonic coral]

You could do 82k in New Hampshire lol

No income tax

[daring gazelle]

Consultancy just want slave

[jovial latch]

82k in many other states is for viable then 70k in fucking san diego tbh

[lone rapids]

They place wherever could also be nyc

[shut crescent]

honestly man i would personally do san diego just cuz its a very nice place to live but i would keep on applying and giving interviews for like the yr im there

[sonic coral]

Wait do you pick or they pick

[shut crescent]

i would personally not do nyc with 82k TC

[lone rapids]

They pick cuz consultancy companies get contracts

[daring gazelle]

Then no

Do the startup

[sonic coral]

Ohh it’s one of those consulting firms

Hell to the no

[daring gazelle]

Moving cost money

[sonic coral]

In addition to pay you could end up in an absolute shitshow of a client company

[daring gazelle]

So the extra money isn’t worth

[jovial latch]

with nyc though you dont have to live in nyc, easy enough to commute from nj

its my damn plan if i get a god damn job in this absolute dog shit economy

[sonic coral]

Yeah but consulting is uh

[daring gazelle]

Also because the more you make the more taxes you pay

[jovial latch]

oh i was just saying in general

[shut crescent]

consulting makes u travel alot right

[sonic coral]

Oh yeah 100%

[jovial latch]

avoid shady consulting shit

[sonic coral]

You can do NJ, LI, Yonkers etc def

[lone rapids]

They are a good consulting firm so thats not an issue

[sonic coral]

South Brooklyn whatever

[sonic coral]

Is this publicis sapient

[tardy geode]

when will i get a job

[lone rapids]

Na

[sonic coral]

Ah so it’s not witch it’s more like Deloitte or whatever

[daring gazelle]

The problem is not only you have to travel a lot but after 2 years of OPT if you can’t find a company to sponsor h1b for you then you have to work for the consultancy forever

[lone rapids]

A much smaller company but reliable

[lone rapids]

Consulting firm is gonna sponsor

[sonic coral]

I mean it seems like with the consultancy you’re basically putting your faith in rng

What if they send you to Ohio 💀

[lone rapids]

Then ill be jake paul

[sonic coral]

But yeah anywhere in the us is a hell of a range

[daring gazelle]

Yes but h1b is company exclusive that visa would only allow you to work for that company if you want to work for another you have to convince the other company to sponsor you before hand which is hard

[sonic coral]

You could end up in Alabama

[daring gazelle]

Seem nice

[lone rapids]

Yea would need to transfer h1b

[daring gazelle]

Exactly

One way they maintain you a slave there forever

[sonic coral]

I think the startup would be nice because you know where you’re ending up and can make housing plans accordingly

Whereas rng across entire US is kinda ass

How long do you have to move

[daring gazelle]

Consultancy is basically a last ditch effort

[sonic coral]

Once your location gets picked

[daring gazelle]

That’s why on your OPT

If first year out of 3 years

[lone rapids]

Matter of fact dont have the startup offer but after final round the hr finally accepted my linkedin request so im hoping thats the sign

[daring gazelle]

You can bounce

[sonic coral]

Oh

[daring gazelle]

Bounce right away from Consultancy

[sonic coral]

That kinda changes things

Does consulting offer have a deadline

[daring gazelle]

Consultancy doesn’t have a deadline

They take you in

[lone rapids]

Consulting, u enroll first then they advertise you. Normally u get around 82 k

[daring gazelle]

Doesn’t mean you get paid right away

[lone rapids]

Yes

[daring gazelle]

They get you a project

[lone rapids]

Correct

[daring gazelle]

Then move you accordingly

Basically means

They promised you a job

But it could take up to 16 weeks

After joining the consultant

[lone rapids]

But they file for ur h1b right away and give u 401k and insurance

[sonic coral]

Ok yeah so you can wait for the startups response

[daring gazelle]

To get a project

[daring gazelle]

It’s already pass deadline

[lone rapids]

Also, you still need to clear contract company interview

[lone rapids]

Yes

[daring gazelle]

I think you have to wait till next h1b wave

If you only want to stay in the consultancy temporary

Then that h1b doesn’t matter

[lone rapids]

Plan is temporary so i keep interviewing other places

[daring gazelle]

Smart plan

Btw

That bullshit contract they make you sign

Unenforceable

[lone rapids]

They dont have that i asked

4 week’s notice

[daring gazelle]

So just toss it in the bin if you like

[lone rapids]

Thats all

[daring gazelle]

Not even

Legally you don’t have to notice them

[lone rapids]

True

[daring gazelle]

You can just quit

They tell you that but are they gonna do?

Drag you to small claim court?

[lone rapids]

They usually send the other company legal notice

But 4 weeks is totally fine

[jovial latch]

would the other company even care

[sonic coral]

Yeah unless you’re in one of like what 2 states that aren’t at will

[daring gazelle]

Then don’t tell them what company you are going to

Lol

[sonic coral]

It’s like Montana and some other state iirc

[jovial latch]

some scummy consulting companies do this, they like try to intimidate and threaten you, and if you do leave try to say shit to the company you're leaving for

[daring gazelle]

Why are you informing where you are going?

[lone rapids]

Pretty sure they can check paychecks

[daring gazelle]

They have no way of knowing

[daring gazelle]

No

Lol

[sonic coral]

Oh nvm it’s literally just Montana lol

[daring gazelle]

The IRS check paycheck

[sonic coral]

So yeah as long as you’re not in Montana you’re 100% at will

[lone rapids]

In this eco these consulting firms are needed for intl lol

[lone rapids]

Nice

[daring gazelle]

How do they check your bank and paycheck to know which company you moved to?

[lone rapids]

I just read somewhere that employers can

[daring gazelle]

Your new employer can

Not you ex

[lone rapids]

Sounds good. Are you job hunting as well?

[daring gazelle]

It’s like how can an ex wife check your joint bank account of you and your girlfriend?

[serene nymph]

google is emailing people? i didnt get sheit

[daring gazelle]

Yes

[lone rapids]

Good luck. Difficult eco

[daring gazelle]

Fr I am on OPT as well

[lone rapids]

Time bomb

[serene nymph]

join a college lab as volunteer. stops opt

[daring gazelle]

Don’t work that way

[serene nymph]

what u talking about im on opt too lol

[daring gazelle]

?

[lone rapids]

😂

[daring gazelle]

You did that?

[serene nymph]

stops unemployment

yea

[daring gazelle]

Damn your school must me lax

Mine make me submit a Company EIN

[lone rapids]

@serene nymph u waiting on google?

[serene nymph]

bro just join any lab

email random colleges lol

[daring gazelle]

Respect

Smart af

[serene nymph]

not particularly, i completely forgot about them

but i havent gotten any notification after submitting my entry back in august

[lone rapids]

I thought you had some offers from other companies

[daring gazelle]

I already have friend company list me as part time so I can redo their website

[serene nymph]

i dont have sheit bro

[daring gazelle]

So my OPT is resolved a month ago

[lone rapids]

[serene nymph]

nice

ure good then

[daring gazelle]

I woke up to this. Good sign or bad?

[serene nymph]

this is how the shit looks like

[daring gazelle]

I told the I was international after verbal offer

[serene nymph]

has been like this for 6+ months

[daring gazelle]

They were hesitant

[lone rapids]

H1bdata

[daring gazelle]

They suppose to give me a start date this week

[daring gazelle]

They do sponsor

[serene nymph]

as long as they dont ghost you i guess

[lone rapids]

It’s reject

[lone rapids]

Golden what’s their tc

[daring gazelle]

But I only see mid level and senior

No entry level

[serene nymph]

why i got no email though

[daring gazelle]

Peanut

[serene nymph]

ppl got rejection emails today, i didnt get sheit

[lone rapids]

Brother 6 months

[daring gazelle]

Not sure yet

[lone rapids]

Location

[serene nymph]

bro tf are u talking about, all the people who got emails today also applied in august

the application window was like 3 days i think

[daring gazelle]

You applied to snap?

[wheat seal]

Which company?

[serene nymph]

i applied too

[lone rapids]

See i wont bank on it. Google is gonna lay off more

[serene nymph]

snap employee referred me and told me i was rejected

[wheat seal]

U got google offer?

[lone rapids]

I wish

[serene nymph]

but no email

[daring gazelle]

I got in first interview without referral

But I bomb it

So

[serene nymph]

the apprenticeship one?

[daring gazelle]

Yes

[serene nymph]

noice

[lone rapids]

Snap u bitch give me interview

[daring gazelle]

Their last first round date was last week

[serene nymph]

i think ppl who werent interviewed were rejected by now

[daring gazelle]

But I failed I think

[serene nymph]

i only foudn out bc friend who works at snap told me

[lone rapids]

I can clear lc interview mostly now unless you ask number of paths in a graph

[daring gazelle]

Snap first round interview was like a medium LC

[serene nymph]

its k keep applying

i really wanted that snap interview

[serene nymph]

do u have internships?

[daring gazelle]

Snap is under pressure a lot

[serene nymph]

yea looks like it

[daring gazelle]

I worked IT for a year before

Some front end side stuff

That’s it

[serene nymph]

icic

[daring gazelle]

Oh and certification

But people here told its useless so

[serene nymph]

my gut feeling is that cs degrees / internships are considered overqualifications for apprenticeships

[chilly burrow]

They usually ask hards as well so be wary of that

[daring gazelle]

Oh yeah I bomb that interview so

[chilly burrow]

Nah, I know someone who got the Snap apprenticeship with s cs uni degree

[serene nymph]

oh sheit nice

[daring gazelle]

Nah

[serene nymph]

idk what i did wrong, i didnt even get past resume screening it loks like

[daring gazelle]

Snap is notoriously hard

[lone rapids]

Hards should be banned. No way you can do in 30 min if you never saw it

[daring gazelle]

Nah

Hard is given when the interviewer thinks you ugly

If you are cute they give easy

[serene nymph]

lol

you may have a point

[daring gazelle]

It’s fact

[lone rapids]

😂

[daring gazelle]

That’s what I would do

[serene nymph]

u gotta increase the attractiveness elo at ur organization

[daring gazelle]

Fr

That’s why I comb my hair and wear suits to interviews now

They hire people they like

[serene nymph]

bro idk im just saying that after i read people got google rejections today

i didnt get sheit so idk

[runic aurora]

fuck g

[serene nymph]

fuk g

[runic aurora]

they fucked us

[serene nymph]

everyone is fucking us

[daring gazelle]

I just want a job man

External is cheaper?

[runic aurora]

that would make 0 sense but i wouldnt be surprised if that happened

[daring gazelle]

Like

They could be low balling

So they pay intern wages to externals

[serene nymph]

it is, no return intern bonus

[runic aurora]

theres no such thing as intern bonus at google

[daring gazelle]

Or maybe

[serene nymph]

bro what no intern bonus

fuk g

[lone rapids]

U interned at g?

[daring gazelle]

Maybe the ceo nephews need a job

[serene nymph]

na

[serene nymph]

i didnt

there are some good internships rn

[daring gazelle]

How the hell would execs at company secretly hire their family and friends without posting fake job posting and rejecting people?

[serene nymph]

why did i graduate

[runic aurora]

nope

where u working at?

[serene nymph]

where u working @woven folio

noice

[daring gazelle]

Damn

[runic aurora]

oh shit nice

[serene nymph]

but im scared of elon lol

[daring gazelle]

No international at spacex though

[serene nymph]

^

[daring gazelle]

Green card only

Government contractor

Any CS girl here wanna get married so I get a green card?

You can eat half my income

Idc tbh

Dudes works as well

[serene nymph]

idk guys i just need a job and ill become a good and law abiding citizen, i promis

[dawn sequoia]

doubles the chances and options kek

[daring gazelle]

Tbh I would just go to work and go home and sleep in the couch ngl

After 7 years then divorced

Like in that show 90 days fiancé

[tardy geode]

what's happening here ? i mean its too pythonic for me . can someone explain?

text1 and text 2 are strings

[serene nymph]

bro we need the prompt

thats just a dp matrix lol

[daring gazelle]

Is this a crossword table?

Looks like it

[serene nymph]

i think you can do it like this:
dp = [[0] * len(text2) + 1] for _ in range(len(text1) + 1]

more legible

[serene nymph]

idk wtf that is lol, it could be longest common subsequence

oh it is

i solved it like 2 days ago lol

[stone granite]

It’s making a matrix with 0s default

[tardy geode]

is there any non pythonic way ?

[stone granite]

That’s the standard way to create the table in Python

[serene nymph]

thats the easiest way

[tardy geode]

i mean i am okay with more LOC

oh

i see

[stone granite]

You can make a loop but it’s the fastest way to type

[serene nymph]

just get used to it bro

[tardy geode]

man python has way too many shortcuts

[stone granite]

I love Python for leetcode

[serene nymph]

yea i come from c++

but for lc python is king

[tardy geode]

how do you remember such pythonic ways

i keep forgetting sometimes

[serene nymph]

just grind

[tardy geode]

and sometimes i discover em

[serene nymph]

ull remember

[tardy geode]

ty broskis

[stone granite]

Just know how to implement the bare minimum for leetcode

[serene nymph]

but that syntax is not too good btw

[tardy geode]

ik

[serene nymph]

try this

[tardy geode]

imma write the one you posted

[serene nymph]

good luck, i also got it from somewhere

[bleak raven]

IT MOVESSSSSSSSSS

(12 second video or scroll to get rid of it & pause or go to new channel)

[serene nymph]

malware

[tardy geode]

i blasted this in the library rn

[bleak raven]

nice

[gray niche]

i've never muted my volume so fast

[tardy geode]

[shut crescent]

u can plug it into chatgpt and itll explain it

[tardy geode]

i c

[neon perch]

It’s something like your memoization array. Used to store the answers to sub problems of an dp question

[swift falcon]

I got that 12:22 AM rejection

Although your background is impressive, we have decided to move forward with other candidates who more closely align with what is needed for the position.

if I’m so impressive why don’t you give me a job!?!

[daring gazelle]

why do nice guys get 0 bitches?

same reason

[swift falcon]

because I’m not actually impressive

[daring gazelle]

Exactly

[lilac flare]

anyone get an offer from Deloitte - US Delivery Center?

I heard their salaries are bad

[worthy aspen]

I've noticed that a lot of the rejections I get that I applied through a workday interface rejects me around 3am eastern time. They come in masses

[swift falcon]

yeah it’s weird that it’s in the middle of the night

maybe that’s just when the emails get sent out

and they get rejected earlier in the day

[late kestrel]

hr person procrastinated work during the day

omg leave me alone @livid yew

[prime palm]

last updated 2 months ago lol

new grads get no love

[tardy geode]

4am rejects hit different

can someone make this an emote lol

[late kestrel]

[livid yew]

Sorry @pulsar mural

[timber rock]

what's the plan for passing a c++ interview this week when I dont know c++ that well

spam leetcode in c++?

[tardy geode]

[late kestrel]

[tardy geode]

yo that's sick

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/585758820102569984.gif?size=240&quality=lossless

[polar quail]

Hey Deca, is it cool to get a referral from you? Whenever you're cool to do.

[clear bear]

Has anyone else encountered this w the CISCO OA?

Same results on both Firefox and Chrome....

And their technical support is just a chat bot..

[tardy geode]

cisco's career page is ass and even the portal to apply

no wonder they have their OA system shit too

i had this problem when i had got CISCO OA for internship

then i had to mail my recruiter and tell her about this . post that she sent me a new link which didn't work either , then i mailed her again she sent me another link which didn't fucking work again . and after a day they filled the position and sent me a reject FUCK CISCO

[shut crescent]

Yeah they’re getting like 70k in Toronto lol

Big 4 is scummy

[shut crescent]

I never even got an OA from Cisco lol

[iron lily]

75k to be exact LMAO

[shut crescent]

Yeah someone said 70k too

Crazy man

That’s fucked up

Deserve way more than that

[tacit grove]

Inbox full of rejections

[fallen fox]

🫑

[tardy geode]

[tacit grove]

I can't even see any proper new openings on linkedin. All of them require 3+ yoe or are just ridiculous

[tardy geode]

i see 5+ nowadays

[tacit grove]

yeah 3-5/5+ yoe wtaf

[tardy geode]

and then they mark it entry level

[tacit grove]

that's the hilarious part

[tardy geode]

@tacit grove

[tacit grove]

I have better notifs take a look @tardy geode

correlation between ^ and SWE is fascinating

[tacit otter]

It’s kinda sad…how we are supposed to distinguish the fake job postings from the real ones…cant reject the possibility that they set ‘send automated rejection after t+72 hrs on their ATS’

[young peak]

Yo aspiring wage slaves

How are we doing

[tacit grove]

Long time yogi...how you been?

[tardy geode]

not good my brother

also how have you been yogi , its been a long time

[jovial latch]

well my idiotic recruiter wont respond to my emails so im honestly pretty annoyed lol

thats gotta be like a passive aggressive 'fuck you you got rejected' message right there

[tardy geode]

[young peak]

Been as good as can be bud

[swift falcon]

[errant karma]

😧

[tardy geode]

apple > google

[young peak]

Say sike rn

[tardy geode]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-wrong-number-sike-gif-13837863

bruh no

[outer radish]

im convinced oracle keeps reposting their job ads for clout only

[sleek owl]

i hate workday

Lever is the best one to fill

just one page

[earnest perch]

im convinced every company does this. even microsoft keeps putting out entry level openings which makes no sense with all the layoffs they had

[outer radish]

yeah i saw those as well

honestly really shitty of them but i guess its a buyer's market rn so all we can do is dance

[brisk meadow]

guys wtf is going on

where are they all

is there a solid board of entry level shit out there

I just need anything

[tardy geode]

chaos

[paper magnet]

Is 120k okay offer for houston ?

[tardy geode]

bro any offer is okay in this economy

any offer that helps pay you your bills

[timber rock]

no, 700k or bust

[jovial latch]

120k is definitely more than ok in houston id think

[brisk meadow]

like it's getting desperate here - there's gotta be somewhere where I am a good candidate

[tardy geode]

[tardy geode]

if you ask how desperate i am on a scale of 1 to 10 , i would say a 1000

international on top of that

waking up everyday with anxiety all over , stress grinding and what not

[timber rock]

[sleek owl]

when is ur opt expiring?

[young peak]

Yeah applying to multiple companies is also a red flag

Just apply to one to show faithfulness

You shouldn't also have a job beforehand because that's company adultery

[swift falcon]

yeah I keep seeing like 2-3 for 'Software Developer I' or whatever

I applied to a Java Developer role as well and got rejected for that haha

but that was definitely because it was really old posting, I think if I had a fresh one I'd def get it right away for sure no questions asked

[brisk meadow]

from y'alls experience, what's the #1 skill to have to get a quick hire (don't say relative who works there)

[late kestrel]

friend who works there

[swift falcon]

||fexual savors||

[brisk meadow]

how do I get my name on that list

[gray dagger]

Luck

[swift falcon]

bro are you fr at 1050 apps?

[brisk meadow]

yes 😭

[swift falcon]

oh my god

[brisk meadow]

haven't updated it in a few hours so probably a few more

[gray dagger]

The better question to ask is how are you only at 35

[swift falcon]

over how many months?

[brisk meadow]

3~

[swift falcon]

i just started on the 6th of march

and I'm picky

[gray dagger]

You already have an offer?

[brisk meadow]

I had one but it was in a city where rent is high and they weren't offering me enough to even cover living expenses so I had to turn it down

[gray dagger]

Jkjk soon you’ll apply to anything and everything

I would’ve just taken it and cruised along till I find a new job tho

[swift falcon]

I got to prep for a screen tomorrow

how do I answer "what's your biggest weakness"

[gray dagger]

35 apps and already a screen

Your resume must’ve been goated ngl

[brisk meadow]

I thought about it but it would have been a really bad fit too

[swift falcon]

I paid $250 for it

[gray dagger]

You tend overwork yourself till you find a solution to the problem

[young peak]

Become better?

[swift falcon]

I don't do that tho, I do the opposite

[young peak]

If you're asking that you prob have something wrong either in resume, skills, speaking etc

[swift falcon]

I ruminate and sand bag until it comes to me

[gray dagger]

Guess this must be the first time you’re gonna be lying

[gray dagger]

Where tho I kinda wanna pay

[young peak]

Don't pay for it bruh

[swift falcon]

are you being fr rn

[brisk meadow]

🧠

[swift falcon]

because it was the dumbest shit I've ever done

[young peak]

Honestly though 1050 apps sounds like you have a really shit resume

[gray dagger]

I already have a job but I might wanna do it if I got laid off

[brisk meadow]

it's not speaking, I've done a ton of public speaking I consider it one of my strengths. Skills or resume maybe. My background is slightly unconventional

[brisk meadow]

bro don't need to be a dick about it. My resume isn't shit

Just not tailored super well, plus the market is ass

My question was about what is the best thing to add to it

[young peak]

I'm not being a dick. I'm helping you pin point your weakest link

Alright

[swift falcon]

I really need to finish my 1 project that exemplifies my skills but I'm too lazy

[young peak]

Public speaking doesn't translate well to interview speaking. They're different things and I can attest to this as I've also done MUNs, debate club, moot etc

[swift falcon]

what is your background

[chilly burrow]

Tbh in this market it is super hard

[brisk meadow]

Physics

[young peak]

Didn't attend college and decided to start own startup unconventional or junior year you did freelance unconventional?

[chilly burrow]

My friend with a big tech company internship only got a few interviews

[swift falcon]

but doesn't that make u smart or sth

[brisk meadow]

unconventional as I have a masters in physics

[brisk meadow]

I mean I don't think I'm dumb, but I'm not sure if that's good enough 😛

[tardy geode]

i so agree with this

[young peak]

have you considered a PhD?

[tardy geode]

[brisk meadow]

yep I would like to do one eventually but I need to get some capital so I don't live like a broke student for another 4 years

[swift falcon]

did u post resume, i want to see it

[brisk meadow]

it would be funded but as I'm sure you konw funds aren't great

[young peak]

I mean yeah it's harder but that's not what I'm saying. I'm just trying to find what's lacking in this equation y'know

[brisk meadow]

Sure I'lll post a redacted resume, one min ute

[chilly burrow]

im sayin dat their may not be anything lacking

the bar is much higher than last year

heck, its prob the highest its been in a while

people can no longer get big tech internships with no name internships

[tardy geode]

i was a beta tester for Psyonix (the company that made Rocket League) , so should i mention in the form that i previously worked with them?

[chilly burrow]

and even those with big tech internships arent hearing back from other big tech

[young peak]

You'll atleast live like a broke student not a homeless person. Just keep your options open.

Put your resume in #1019675142248468601 and I'll fix it around when I can.

How's your LC doing? Do you know Metas 4 technical interview pointing scheme?

Do you have referrals. In fact, how are you applying?

[dusky tapir]

You mean you just played rocket league 😂😂😂

[tardy geode]

no

[chilly burrow]

@earnest turtle one thing to mayb try is cold emailing if you havent

[tardy geode]

i was a beta tester for Rocket League , i mean i got an early access to it

i had dev tools and shit to test the game out

which only the company can provide

[young peak]

Bar isn't higher. Just less people are being let in. It's not that people that got in 2022 are unqualified, it's just that a smaller bucket needs to be filled

[swift falcon]

fix mine too

[dusky tapir]

Oh k I guess yeah did you write any code? Like automated testing

[young peak]

No you have 35 apps and a resume screen

[chilly burrow]

i would say that its the same thing

[young peak]

Lmk when it's below 0.01%

[tardy geode]

that's why i have the alpha boost (its like 1000$ in value ig)

[chilly burrow]

also i disagree that the bar isnt higher

[late kestrel]

that inherently makes the bar higher though

[chilly burrow]

i think big tech interviews are harder this year

[jovial latch]

entry level bloat is just higher then ever with new grad layoffs and rescinds and all these companies intentioanlly pusing the 'everyone should code' mindset so any twat thinks they can be a software engineer just because they can print hello world in python, and also the pandemic

[tardy geode]

it was using tools , no code other than fiddling with values

[chilly burrow]

at least from what I've heard from others

[swift falcon]

[young peak]

Restrict it as you will. The technical excellence or resume level required to pass are the exact same. Just that the amount of you passing are lower as not as many are needed

[swift falcon]

bro do we have a freelancing channel?

[young peak]

@frank wedge please educate these fine folk

[swift falcon]

I'm about ready to make my own way

[young peak]

I've done freelancing wdyn

[tardy geode]

armhad you were a leetcode dev? damn

that's sick

[chilly burrow]

recrutiers first imo

[young peak]

Bros one of the highest paid L3s in Pinterest lol

[tardy geode]

[late kestrel]

if a company usually takes the best 100 applicants, and now they only take 10, the bar to get that job has raised to be top 10. youd have to be that much better than before

[tardy geode]

gib job

[brisk meadow]

#1087831557345132564 message

@young peak if you're interested

or anyone really

[swift falcon]

I'm trying to be able to sell to local businesses, but it seems like you'd have to go in offering more than just some CRUD program, like you'd have to set up the infrastructure as well

[chilly burrow]

tbh ur resume does need sum work imo

[swift falcon]

I feel like that's a lot of overhead to take on

[frank wedge]

Someone asked this in r/Android devs and I responded that places are obv downsizing still, but you’re still being treated as a new grad in the process, which won’t change

[chilly burrow]

like you're not using google xyz

[brisk meadow]

I'll look into that, thank you

[chilly burrow]

but if the bar to even interview is so much higher would you not say it is more difficult?

[chilly burrow]

also I've seen more places ask sys design and more practical qs alongside leetcode

[late kestrel]

lol yeah i think we're saying two diff things

or agreeing without agreeing

[tardy geode]

sys design is the new LC

and that's how it should be

[swift falcon]

what is sys design

[tardy geode]

system design

[chilly burrow]

system design

[young peak]

No you are still as likely as before to pass. Your acceptance rate just got 10x lower, but that isn't the same thing. On an abstract level I agree, but if you're already good enough to make it into multiple FAANGs in 2022, there isn't really a whole lot you can do to change your circumstances...

[swift falcon]

yeah but what is that

like knowing how to design an app from scratch?

or sth more complicated?

[chilly burrow]

this is som semantic bs lol

[tardy geode]

its like architecting system before you code it out

[chilly burrow]

if the application -> offer rate is lower

[late kestrel]

ong lol wtf

[chilly burrow]

is that not the bar raising

bruh

[swift falcon]

like C4 and UML shit

[chilly burrow]

if 5% of ppl got offers b4

and now its 1%

the bar is raised

[tardy geode]

not UML

[prime palm]

what's up baddies

[chilly burrow]

if they expect you to be a 2x FAANG intern

then thats obv much higher expectations

[tardy geode]

[chilly burrow]

and a higher bar

[chilly burrow]

👋 😃

[tardy geode]

@prime palm i like your pfp , mad props if you made it yourself

[prime palm]

did not

[prime palm]

your offer still on tha table?

[chilly burrow]

atm yea

[prime palm]

worried?

[young peak]

Do you have an offer Soulkks?

[chilly burrow]

ye

[young peak]

From Apple right

[chilly burrow]

nah

[young peak]

Zon?

[jade solar]

Hi, did you get an interview request? I just had my final interview with an HM.

[chilly burrow]

nah

[prime palm]

idk if the news about palantir new grads getting rescinded is bs is not

[chilly burrow]

a startup

[tardy geode]

[prime palm]

but if so, thank god i got rejected after hiring manager

[frank wedge]

It is more difficult, year after year, compare even 2021 with 2015 it’s much harder. That’s going to continuously increase. Like yogi said places aren’t hiring, and they’re downsizing, so we don’t know what it will look like even as things flatten. You guys are still assessed as new grads

I also did about 6 system design interviews last cycle, so I mean that was always something I expected

[chilly burrow]

i only saw dat 1 post

[chilly burrow]

so we agree?

the bar is higher

[late kestrel]

yes we all agree lol

[chilly burrow]

and the bar changes from year to year

liek 2022 the bar was ez

[swift falcon]

what does it mean to be assessed as a new grad

[late kestrel]

its just different ways of saying it

[young peak]

I disagree

[frank wedge]

Entry level

[young peak]

Okay y'know what I guess the bar IS higher

If less people make it at the end constitutes a higher bar

[swift falcon]

yeah, so does that mean you're treated as if you know nothing or what?

[young peak]

But that doesn't mean people that got in 2013 or 2016 or 2020 are less

[young peak]

No you'll need some level of knowledge

[chilly burrow]

im saying the bar from 2022 was less

https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/the-job-market-for-new-grads-2023/

[young peak]

Ah so you just wanna say people hired in 2022 are lesser than you

[late kestrel]

yes because only the top X% get the job vs the top XX% like previous years. you have to be better than previous years to reach that new bar

[chilly burrow]

bruh wat

no lol

[young peak]

I mean then what's the point of arguing my statement?

[brisk meadow]

I think they're just saying it's harder now than it was in 2022, which is like inarguably true

[young peak]

People hired in previous years are still competent, just that hiring bars increase as the load of SWEs needed decrease

[frank wedge]

It means they interview you as if you have less domain knowledge

[late kestrel]

ok im glad we agree then lol

[young peak]

Harder because less positions are open, not because people in 2023 are magically more gifted

[swift falcon]

guys I have a Master's Degree....A MASTER'S DEGREE why am I not getting hired!!?!?!?!?

[young peak]

Kind of an L to have a Master's rn man

[brisk meadow]

yes, I don't think anybody disagrees with this, but the outcome looks similar in both of these cases

[swift falcon]

pls elaborate

should I be taking it off my resume?!

[chilly burrow]

dat is wat i was sayin

[frank wedge]

Yeah I never disagreed w you, I just said junior level expectations are the same

[young peak]

You could have entered the market in 2021-2022 which is arguably the best time to be hired. Your masters made you avoid that time and now instead your hoping in the 2023 market

[chilly burrow]

ok 😃 👍

[young peak]

Lmao sorry I'm just wasting time arguing

Fun to do sometimes

[swift falcon]

could have entered in 2020 tbh

that's when i graduated wif bachelors

[young peak]

2020 would be nicer

Especially early 2020

[swift falcon]

fuck me

[earnest perch]

could've entered in 1998 and founded google

[swift falcon]

bros I graduated HS in 2009

imagine if I had applied myself and gone to college then

I'd be in #full_timers rn dunkin on y'all

[frank wedge]

Dude you would be on blind

Not here

[swift falcon]

Senior Principal Software Engineer Architect IIIIIIXVILC

[dusky tapir]

Guys 200k is nothing imo it’s not a way out of wage cuckoldry

[swift falcon]

I'd be a king if I had 200k where I live rn

[frank wedge]

Yeah it’s nice

[swift falcon]

could probably pay off my house in like 3-4 years

[late kestrel]

i live in an illegal basement studio in nyc with my 850k tc shits rough

all i could afford

[dusky tapir]

I mean not really tho if you live with a roommate you can get a pretty nice 2bd for 3k each split. So 36k out ur 130k take home

[young peak]

Is that me?

I got in 2022 at 265k Seattle

Got an 8% raise just 2 weeks ago too

Now sitting comfy at 290k TC

[swift falcon]

cries in 4%

[dusky tapir]

265 l3 ? Foh lmao

[late kestrel]

honest question tho do u just come in the new grad channel just to flex

nothing better to do rn

[swift falcon]

[late kestrel]

look at u be poor and all. my butler is a 2 ton hippo who lives in my bathroom

[brisk meadow]

I hadn't heard of google xyz, but can anyone quickly verify if I'm doing it right?

"Used the <name> detector to collect particle data for analysis" --> "Collected high-quality particle data for analysis using the <name> detector, as verified by rigorous statistical analysis techniques"
Is the latter better?

[swift falcon]

Credit Suisse will likely lose tens of thousands of jobs because of its takeover by bigger Swiss rival bank, UBS. As much as third of the combined workforce of 120,000 is expected to be cut, The Financial Times reported, citing anonymous sources. Employees of Credit Suisse — which had already been in the midst of downsizing — have started to “swarm” headhunters, Bloomberg said anonymous sources had told it. In particular, investment bankers and equities traders with the smaller bank have been seeking employment elsewhere.
great now we gotta deal with the swiss people coming over here and taking our jobs

[dusky tapir]

Sussy fo sho

[dusky tapir]

Haha my ex works for that company

[late kestrel]

yeah hes legit, just may need to read the room a lil rn

[chilly burrow]

If u google, its the first result

[brisk meadow]

yeah I did and that's how I wrote the above. I just want to make sure I'm understanding correctly

[gleaming fable]

oh shit is this not a big deal

[chilly burrow]

One of the most important components is quantifying your achievements

[swift falcon]

idk is it?

[chilly burrow]

It is?

[gleaming fable]

I heard they asked for a 50bil loan last week from the swiss govt

[swift falcon]

im just shit posting from linkedin

[gleaming fable]

that's what I meant 💀

[chilly burrow]

A giant bank just failed and got bought out

[gleaming fable]

weird wording

like that's very concerning news

[chilly burrow]

Right after 2 local US banks

[dusky tapir]

Bro picked google over cit haha dummy

[chilly burrow]

Does not seem like good news for the global economy...

[swift falcon]

ok so if you do get hired during 2023

[gleaming fable]

although I've heard that credit suisse has historically done very risky plays on the assumption that the swiss govt would just bail em out

[swift falcon]

that means that you are extra special tho?

[chilly burrow]

Ye they've been doing sus shit 4 a while

Bad mgmt and shady practices

[late kestrel]

no just means u started earlier and applied more

and got marginally more lucky

[gleaming fable]

I mean it depends on what you want out of life

[chilly burrow]

It also may mean you have previous good internships

[gleaming fable]

you might make more money in absolute terms at cit but significantly worse wlb

also higher expectations and stress at cit

[chilly burrow]

I don't c as much ppl with no prev faang getting faang offers

Let along interviews

[gleaming fable]

If you averaged out TC with actual hours worked its prob not that different between yogi's G offer and his cit offer

[late kestrel]

fair, but there werent many faang offers given out anyways lol

[chilly burrow]

Ye, dats my point

[late kestrel]

i defo got lucky. 2 non tech swe internships at meh companies and i got a decent name offer

just got lucky w interviews

[chilly burrow]

Lol bloomberg is top tier

Gratz

[young peak]

365k Cit was good but idk if I wanna work minimum 60 hrs

Rn I work like 20-30

Bloomberg stable asf

[swift falcon]

dis all it let me enter

[late kestrel]

ok good, probably great

[swift falcon]

HOLLA HOLLA GET DOLLA

[gleaming fable]

in this market I'd take bb over faang 100%

[young peak]

Bloomberg has 0 layoffs. Great WLB and that cash comp is nice asf

If you can swipe BB rn you're golden to ride out the wave

[chilly burrow]

I got resume rejected 😔

[late kestrel]

nah its ok im with mike rn he said be humble

[gleaming fable]

only faang worth it rn is apple cause they actually never layoff

[late kestrel]

he also said sit down, bitch

i think he might be kendrick lamar

not sure

[young peak]

My original post on LinkedIn after I got my BB offer (it was my first and I thought it would be my last lol)

Mike responded

But I had to delete because I reneged lmfao

Secretary obv

No way any billionaire would spend time on LinkedIn

[late kestrel]

no im with mike rn and hes furiously typing on linkedin

responding to all the posts

[young peak]

fair

[tardy geode]

[young peak]

But on the real guys. I might be a 2022 grad and got in easier but lmk if y'all actually do need help

[tardy geode]

Yogi is inspiration

[young peak]

[swift falcon]

bro you was gonna drop some bombs about freelancing

[young peak]

Oh right. So I don't have any named internships and did freelancing for a year from junior year to graduation

Freelancing was great. I used Pangea and you start off with $15/hr projects

My highest paid project was $80/hr for an NFT machine learning project

[swift falcon]

what is pangea

[young peak]

A freelancing website like upwork

Pangea.app

Super nice on the resume and cash while you wait

[swift falcon]

joining immediatly

is it better than upwork

like less trash

[jovial latch]

hmm ill check it out

might have to start fucking free lancing if no job right lmao

[swift falcon]

bro dats what I'm saying

time to do the homework for the next wave of CS grads

[jovial latch]

yea honestly i cant take any chacnes

[young peak]

It's less trash but there is a tier system.

Bronze you lose 50% of all earnings. At the topic aka diamond you lose only 5% . Nice thing about Pangea is they'll give you your 1099 so you can do your taxes

A fuck ton of jobs to increase your rank. People on there are super nice. The jobs are easy, hardly any trouble even with 0 experience

[swift falcon]

interesting, I'm filling out profile right now

[young peak]

Most of the employers are folk with no tech background that would be happy with an html page with some js magic. Slap AWS on there, say you worked 30 hrs and boom $450

I've made like 15k there. I started at 15, then started rejecting anything below 40 at one point

I only leveraged it for new grad

But I mean I just wrote it down as Software Engineering experiences at those companies they're freelancing me for

No need to say I'm a freelancer, just that I've worked for X time at these companies or at one company

[muted girder]

what was your new grad job?

[young peak]

Google

[swift falcon]

you started at 15/hr on your profile?

[young peak]

Yeah that's the min they allow

[muted girder]

how did you get the interview lol, I've applied 3 times with referral and ghosted, my brother applied once and got interview

[swift falcon]

should I star tthere or boost to 30/hr right away lol

[young peak]

I got 8 offers my cycle. Google, Meta, Bloomberg, Citadel, Draftkings, TikTok, Uber, and some random startup

[marsh vector]

is it set hours? how many hours would u say u worked total

[young peak]

Start at 15 bro it'll pile up trust me

[young peak]

Actual hours aren't a lot but on the app it says I've worked a total of 400 hrs? Which makes sense since my avg pay over it all was 25

[muted girder]

dam bro is cracked, can I dm u some Qs? lol

[young peak]

Just create a thread and ask here bois

My dms are rotten with span

Spam

Naw I only had like 60 LC prepped

[swift falcon]

pile up, you mean people come and find you?

[marsh vector]

i think its worth mentioning yogi prob graduated at a good time

[young peak]

No I mean your greed will eventually get the better of you so you'll start asking people for more, at that point it's more justified

[swift falcon]

gotcha

[young peak]

Oh yeah I graduated in 2022 btw

[marsh vector]

yeah that would mean 2021 recruitment

[muted girder]

I was gonna ask for ur exp, like what kind of work do you do full stack/ML/just rando stuff?

[young peak]

Is that how that works? Lol

So are people applying now 2022 recruitment

[marsh vector]

like u start recruiting in 2021 aug or so right? i dont think 70% of the companies u got offers from even hire new grads anymore lol

like its super impressive but

response rates are not going to be as good anymore

[young peak]

Like my actual job? I work in Cloud security. I do mostly infra work in C++ but I never worked on cpp before getting in so it didn't exist on my resume.

On Pangea I freelanced mostly full stack and ML. My biggest money makers were crypto though, so I did smart contracts and built DAOs

A made a discord bot that got me a couple k because the contractor was a whale worth 10 mil

[young peak]

Yeah I'm not marketing myself as some god or anything

Just that "here's my experience. Let me help as much as I can"

[marsh vector]

no u r a god

[young peak]

Why no SWE intern exp?

[marsh vector]

im just thinking its not very replicable these days

[young peak]

Yeah if some bozo can beat my record this year, that person is the next Zuckerberg

Sounds like you have the project experience to do so. Good luck

[muted girder]

Do you grind a lott of LC? I have a lot of PHP stuff on my resume and was thinking that affected things cuz it's old as shit

[young peak]

php is garbage but it can be marketed towards insurance, defense and banking

And no I don't grind LC

My account total over 5 years is 100 LC, 60 of em done during senior year

[muted girder]

this motivates me to not LC

say less 💀

[young peak]

Idk what it's like now.. now that I have a FAANG offer I just DM hiring managers and get instant callbacks. Normally I'd say optimize your resume, but it's still gonna be a grind

Get referrals from higher level folk if you can

An L3 referring another L3 is as useful as you can imagine

Ay no worries. I'm bored at work so this is a good distraction

If you're not international like me, don't worry too much

Worst you can do is just wait for it to be over, which it will be soon

[daring gazelle]

Damn yogi just start being active in the server today

Are you here to save me?

[daring gazelle]

OPT brother