2023_grads

[fossil jewel]

ik .copy() does a deep copy thats a new object

nums[:] will create a shallow copy

[tardy geode]

i see . tyy

[fossil jewel]

basically with shallow, you kinda have the same pointers

[timber rock]

it's the same

they're both shallow

[fossil jewel]

really?

thought we do .copy() to make a new object?

ohhh

my mistake

there's .deepcopy()

[timber rock]

.copy() and [:] both create a new list object but the objects inside the list are the same

[fossil jewel]

same in terms of references right?

[timber rock]

Yeah

[fossil jewel]

i stand corrected then

[timber rock]

😏

[sour night]

bruh i sent my renege letter and my recruiter calls me like 3 mins later WTF

[swift falcon]

what have you reneged on?

[grizzled bronze]

What'd they say?

[sour night]

i didn't answer but they emailed me back asking if i accepted another offer

[grizzled bronze]

Call them back and tell them proudly that you accepted another offer that's a better fit for you

And to give your reneged offer to someone from #2023_grads

I'll volunteer to take it

[frank wedge]

This happened to me lol

Left voicemail and email

[dusky lark]

Anduril just sent rejection, said they were full

If My Convocation is in October , Am I a fall grad?

[fossil jewel]

perhaps yes

[swift falcon]

hire me ryan reynolds

[tardy geode]

yes

[swift falcon]

is this a red flag?

[chilly burrow]

I dont even understand the question...

Is this a known company?

[swift falcon]

is Daugherty well known?

lol

It's meant to say 'our regions' instead of 'are regions'

that means I automatically get hired if I point this out in an interview right?

they're legally required to hire me

[chilly burrow]

idts

from wat u said idt its a red flag

jus an oversite

[swift falcon]

yeah i'm just bein goofy

i applied anyways

I can't be picky

[naive chasm]

I feel like it's so hard to find entry level roles to apply to...

Like so many ones I see on LinkedIn are just mid idk if I'm searching incorrectly or what

[swift falcon]

nah there are like 1 every 2 pages or sth

almost always remote

[naive chasm]

Ugh

[swift falcon]

I can never find any for local places

[naive chasm]

So disheartening

[tardy geode]

well the market's like that

[naive chasm]

Yeah :/

[swift falcon]

I've applied to some level 2s / staff positions

because why tf not

I have a master's degree after all

[naive chasm]

I just feel so defeated rn like everything is so few and far between

[naive chasm]

Yeah I apply to some roles with 2 something YoE too lol

[fallen fox]

99% of linkedin entry level roles seem to require 2/3+ years of exp

i'm just lying about my internship start/end dates

[naive chasm]

How so?

To make it add up to 2 yoe?

[tardy geode]

bruh don't do that eventually you will get caught in bg check

[fallen fox]

yeah mostly

[fallen fox]

i can explain

[tardy geode]

bruh that shit ain't working in this economy

[fallen fox]

right now i just extended my last internship to make it look like i'm still employed

[tardy geode]

what!

ask your friends to refer you , like who have started FT

[glass knoll]

so you are using your last internship to report for your OPT?

[tardy geode]

you are putting yourself at disadvantage by saying this as companies would think you ain't available immediately , like if i ask you to start within a week you won't be able to

[fallen fox]

nah its a lie on my resume

my opt expires in 2 weeks

[tardy geode]

what theee

dude make a linkedin post for god sake

[fallen fox]

~15 days unemployment left

nah i give up

ill just go back

[tardy geode]

[fallen fox]

[naive chasm]

opt?

[tardy geode]

do you have a loan ?

[fallen fox]

work authorization for international students

[naive chasm]

oh i see

[fallen fox]

shit

[cloud zinc]

anyone did the united airlines coding challenge?

[tardy geode]

do this i am telling you

[fallen fox]

i have an offer for a it related role, i start next week

also have a volunteer opportunity lin\ed up

it isn't swe but it pays the bills

[lone rapids]

What about consulting companies

[fallen fox]

nah, i'm not going anywhere near those

might fuck you over later if you apply for h1b or green card

[teal jackal]

Cfbr!

[tardy geode]

oh then its nice

[sleek owl]

The world decided to collapse the year I graduate

[steep sundial]

Wowwwwwwww

[fallen fox]

i bet 90% of those applications are garbage

instant rejection worthy

[swift falcon]

still looking at you + 20 other people though

and that's only the clicks through linkedin right?

so who knows where else it was advertised

[fallen fox]

mine is also instant rejection worthy

[swift falcon]

[tardy geode]

[swift falcon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqDjQPoJxiw

2023 anthem

[sleek owl]

Anyone else not feeling motivated to do assignments coz they are like the economy is shit so what’s the point

[tardy geode]

[steep sundial]

😅

[lunar hatch]

same

[faint igloo]

gpt4 is making me scared

[cloud zinc]

how so? Heard its gonna impact frontend but not sure what specifically will be impacted

[tardy geode]

what happened?

[cloud zinc]

didn't someone in general make that claim when they announced gpt-4

[grizzled bronze]

Who tf thought naming their company Mendix is a good idea

[tardy geode]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/981754288508375150/1083951927362076714/20230220_002602_1.gif

those kittens are all companies that are laying off . that fire is apple avoiding layoffs

https://tenor.com/view/meow-jump-kitten-kitty-cute-gif-16845868

meta laying off recruiters. ^

[fallen fox]

[tardy geode]

[tardy geode]

[unkempt forum]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-anime-mental-breakdown-cringe-gif-27026754

[swift falcon]

what da fk is that

degeneracy

btw boys I got an email from an “application developer manager” (the person who posted the job)

they want to set up interview

ITS THE FIRST STEP 🚀

[wind drum]

yo confluent dropped new grad roles

but they are like really picky on being in one of the 5 states they want the role in

[grizzled bronze]

A recent graduate who will be working remotely based in North Carolina with a North Carolina address at the time of application

[wind drum]

is there some weird tax thing behind it i dont get it lol

[grizzled bronze]

North Carolina, Georgia, Texas, Colorado, and Florida are the only states so far

[wind drum]

and the texas one doesn't have the cloud position which is annoying

[grizzled bronze]

$125K in texas 🤑

[wind drum]

wait is that base

[grizzled bronze]

Yeah

[wind drum]

pretty nuts lol

[split plaza]

lfg I can apply

[tardy geode]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1004741311175327824/1047370395818410044/maxwell-1.gif

[sleek owl]

That PayPal OA sucked

[lime moth]

Are you still in the interview process for them?

[lime moth]

yea same, those questions were wack af

[daring gazelle]

Bruh I am an Atheist but I decided fuck it I am going to pray to a different god each week now

Next week I am gonna pray to Jesus if I get a reply on that job I will convert ngl

Allah next

fuck it if it work I would even study latin

[lime moth]

Anyone have a good way for me to get from 0-100 on system design/OOD? I have a 6.5 hr onsite interview which is apparently half system design and I pretty much know nothing.

[daring gazelle]

Pramp

go up there

do system design interview

get shit on by 20 senior dev trying to switch job

they draw you the graphs on mirror

study those graphs

learn how cloud works

what the fuck is a CDN

"cache wtf is that?"

[compact sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/498420244574896138/1068553698663464990/zai_2002_JUST_FOR_NOW.gif

[swift falcon]

same tbh

this close to cutting a deal with jay boosie

🤏

[cedar gulch]

the system design primer on GitHub really helped me. They also have example questions with solutions. Also there’s a bunch of YouTube videos out there if you’d prefer to listen to something

[mossy fiber]

bytebytego

[lime moth]

thanks

[swift falcon]

jesus 6.5 hr interview?!?!?

[chilly burrow]

6.5hr onsite is insane

My onsite was 5hrs

[grizzled bronze]

Imagine getting rejected same day after a 6.5 hour onsite

[chilly burrow]

Is it Quant?

Otherwise it's not worth imo

[lime moth]

apparently it includes breaks and they asked what I want for lunch. it's for fetch rewards in chicago

not quant sadge

[chilly burrow]

Ohhh nice

Free lunch is better

[lime moth]

if i get rejected after all that I'm gonna flip

[grizzled bronze]

Who the fuck do they think they are

They're no Honey

[chilly burrow]

Wait didn't Fetch just do layoffs?

[lime moth]

yea ik and i already had to make a whole web api in go for the second round it's pretty nuts

idk if they did

oh yea apparently they just laid off 10% yikes

[swift falcon]

all so they could make room for you

[chilly burrow]

Bruh tf

Dats a lot of effort....

For a 6.5hr interview on top

Gl 🙏

[swift falcon]

ayo what exactly did that involve

like I just can't even wrap my head around that

did they give you some sort of document with specs or sth?

[daring gazelle]

it is because of SVB?

they just got bail out

shit gets more blackpilled everyday

[lime moth]

thanks 🙏

[daring gazelle]

Bail out = more money printed = longer the tightening from the feds = shitty market for longer time = no jobs

[lime moth]

they sent me a description of what i had to do and a couple of endpoints for me to code. Not really that bad but i don't really know much about backend so it took me a little while. the next round was technical questions and he asked me about my code and had me add another endpoint

[swift falcon]

interesting

what language?

like Java or sth?

[lime moth]

go

[dawn sequoia]

go 🤩

W

[swift falcon]

do you normally use go?

[lime moth]

nope never used it before i made that

[swift falcon]

oh interesting

so you had to like start from scratch lol

[lime moth]

yea pretty much lol

[swift falcon]

how to write an endpoint in go

[lime moth]

ive made some webapps with the pern stack but all pretty simple

[swift falcon]

what's a pern stack

[lime moth]

yea i watched some techwithtim video that was pretty much half my code

[lime moth]

supposedly it's just because of lack of consumer spending. doesn't look like they had money in svb

[tardy geode]

so my first company where i worked back in my home country gave me the title as Graduate Engineer Trainee (i worked for 1.5 years ) , technically its not a trainee its just the title they give for new grads but all you do is SWE stuff building and deploying things .
Here in the US companies are not aware of this and i think they consider that period as some sort of training when they read my resume . So i was thinking to change that to software engineer in my resume . would that be fine?

[grizzled bronze]

Yes you should be able to

[lime moth]

PostgreSQL Express React Node

[swift falcon]

ah gotcha

[mossy fiber]

had kinda similar experience before. make a whole web api in java in 3hrs

[tardy geode]

[chilly burrow]

I luv Go 🙏

[daring gazelle]

market tough

[fathom dagger]

dude I read most of your messages mentioning epic systems lol, did you end up getting an offer??

couldn't dm you

[chilly burrow]

Yes they did

[fathom dagger]

No way

Noice

Congrats

[tardy geode]

is there a channel for international students in the US?

[shut crescent]

anyone else getting more interviews than usual?

[chilly burrow]

New posting:
https://www.sofi.com/careers/job/?gh_jid=5549470003&utm_source=Soulkks

[swift falcon]

if by more you mean 1 then yes

also good morning friends

let this be another #blessed 🙏 day of job hunting

let there be a multitudinous of opportunities for us all 😔🤌

[dawn sequoia]

gm

oh fr? more interviews these days? I should send out another wave of applications

[swift falcon]

rip another rejection email, for an app I put in yesterday

[fallen fox]

Does anyone know if SoFi has a blacklist if you get rejected after the final round, like Amazon?

They put a new ng role up and I wanna apply

[grizzled bronze]

Amazon doesn't blacklist if you get rejected after final

[fallen fox]

Oh, a lot of people were saying you had to wait 6 months before reapplying

[grizzled bronze]

That's not called blacklist, that's called cooldown

[fallen fox]

[grizzled bronze]

Just apply anyway, the worse they can do is reject

[swift falcon]

every time you apply during a cooldown they add twice as much time onto it /s

[tardy geode]

[tardy geode]

bruh no , just apply

[tardy geode]

[swift falcon]

[tardy geode]

this more cursed laugh

[fallen fox]

I'm just worried if I'm hurting my chances, I was planning to have a friend who works at SoFi to refer me for 2024 ng

[tardy geode]

i mean

[fallen fox]

i got freshly rejected in december

[tardy geode]

if you apply and they reject you that means you are on a cooldown , then you could do that friend thingy

so i would say just apply to that posting

[grizzled bronze]

You're not hurting any chances just apply

[fallen fox]

yolo i guess

[tardy geode]

yeah apply and if you get a call . act cool

[grizzled bronze]

Yeah and don't bring up that you recently got interviewed with another team and got rejected

[fallen fox]

i think they have my details on file already

[tardy geode]

yeah so if you apply and get rejected now then that means you're on a cooldown . then do that friend thingy

[swift falcon]

guys i'm addicted to applying tbh

[fallen fox]

Do you I think I should email my previous recruiter and ask her?

[tardy geode]

i had to deal with a karen yesterday smh

[tardy geode]

you could apply and then ask. act as if you don't know

[lone copper]

has anyone done the Backend Software Engineer (TikTok Live) 2023 start OA?

[tacit grove]

No way. Still no response...where have you been applying?

[swift falcon]

story time pls

[fallen swan]

Did anyone have an HR call with Axon ?

[tardy geode]

i applied to a job at 2am and got rejected at 7am

wtf how

[swift falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/a-world-record-baywatch-a-new-record-the-greatest-record-record-breaking-gif-19264807

[tardy geode]

is that richard branson

[swift falcon]

must be

[tardy geode]

in dynamic programming , the 0/1 Knapsack is that matrix method?

[torn stone]

Did anyone hear back from Paypal after that Java restricted compliance OA?

[tacit grove]

same here

[brisk meadow]

Do any of you guys have any experience with interviews where they want you to fly across the country to interview in person with them? I'd have no problem moving there if I got the job but flying out for an interview sounds like it could be an expensive mistake if I don't get it. It's a ~20 people AI startup that IMO has huge potential but dam it could be a pretty big risk

Like could I ask them to cover the expenses then deduct from my first paycheque in the event that I'm hired?

[lone rapids]

Red flag if they not paying

[brisk meadow]

Good to know, thanks

[swift falcon]

yeah that just seems egregious tbh

[brisk meadow]

without doxxing myself too much, the interview is in vancouver and I live a couple hours from Toronto so there really is no other way than a plane to get there

[swift falcon]

like not only are you in a shitty job market where it's employer's choice, you then have to PAY and take time off to go interview with them where you may or may not get the job

[brisk meadow]

Yeah. I'd 100% be okay with eating the costs if I knew I was gonna get it but honestly I don't know 😛

So gotta factor that into my EV calculation 😂

[grizzled bronze]

Typically they pay for your flight, transportation, and hotel. But it's uncommon post-pandemic, most companies interview remote.

[brisk meadow]

Good to know, maybe that's their plan and I'm just making hasty assumptions

[swift falcon]

like, if you worked for them you'd have be asking for reimbursement for travel or expect them to have their shit together to pay for tickets etc.

[brisk meadow]

very true

[grizzled bronze]

I would make sure to get it clarified before even flying out

[brisk meadow]

oh yeah for sure I'll get it in writing

crazy though. I had a dream about flying to vancouver last night 😂

tonight I 'm gonna dream about getting 400k TC I can feel it

I figured as much, I just wanted to make sure there wasn't some standard of expectation I was going against. As I've mentioned before I'm just sort of trying to break into SE as my background is physics

[lunar hatch]

I only saw rejections for the compliance position

[tardy geode]

didn't know backtracking problems were short and fun

[tardy geode]

yo fr?

where?

@lunar hatch

[lunar hatch]

i mean just look at the other paypal oa threads

these are the only updates i've seen

[tardy geode]

[tardy geode]

the recent ones?

[lunar hatch]

yeah

[tardy geode]

in how many days they giving rejects?

[lunar hatch]

not sure but i think they are fast

i think after the oa they will need to resume screen

so that might take a while

[tardy geode]

fuck this economy man

i am now seriously looking for backups

like volunteering and stuff

[graceful crown]

1 day

[tardy geode]

portal update or mail ?

[graceful crown]

Mail

[swift falcon]

Recently, you applied for a position with $company. We would love to hear about your overall application experience with the Software Engineer role thus far. Our team is committed to continuous learning and improvement, and your thoughts on the application process are very important to us. The Application Satisfaction Survey can be completed from a computer or any mobile device and should take less than 2 minutes to complete.*
that's a big ask tbh

why should I do that if it not going to get me hired

sheesh

[dawn sequoia]

y'all wanna see a funny email this morning?

Thank you for your interest in the Data Engineer I, Data Analytics role. The hiring team has extended an offer that was accepted by another candidate.

👍👍👍

I read "the hiring team has extended an offer" and got a lil excited then remembered that I didn't hear anything after applying

[grizzled bronze]

Double oof

[whole berry]

what technical questions were they

[swift falcon]

wow the person I emailed to get an interview hasn't gotten back to me yet smh, my availability was like, an hour and a half from now

https://tenor.com/view/concern-robot-gif-9226335

[rustic vessel]

It’s been 5 days since I emailed my availability for sig. I’m just gonna assume it’s gone.

[swift falcon]

Dang bro, the universe works in mysterious ways, literally 4 minutes after I cry about it, I get an email

[teal jackal]

I feel like rejection emails avoiding the word "reject" is going too far
Someday companies will be saying shit like "Your application was predestined by God to not be considered for further consideration"

[stone granite]

Ones that send you feedback forms about their recruiting process are even worse

[teal jackal]

Like companies should just straight up say "yeah your application was ass bro we cant hire u"

id have respect for that

[fallen fox]

for a volunteer role; should you mention that you volunteered on your resume?

eg should I say Web Dev Volunteer or just Web Dev

[magic acorn]

I have given few days back and have heard nothing back

[lunar hatch]

same i took it literally 2 hrs after receiving it last friday

lmao

[drifting talon]

Probably a good sign - i took yesterday and got reject email today

[daring gazelle]

I ask my recruiter for updates on the offer start date after I told them I am on OPT

she didnt ghost me but say this

is there still hope?

Already verbally accepted it

FCUKKKK

its over

[fallen fox]

i'm in the same stage right now

got an offer and they're going through immigration

[lunar hatch]

Ah sry to hear that. Did you pass all test cases

[daring gazelle]

assess mean they going through immigration?

nash

i am nervous because they at first really like me then nothing for like 3 days

[swift falcon]

cry and stay at my dead end job

tbh i have a fairly cushy job so I'm fine

just boring

[daring gazelle]

boring job is good

time to do other shit

[swift falcon]

yeah but also not, because it's kind of stressful, I've been sandbagging for like a year and thigns are starting to catch up

[daring gazelle]

hahaha

ever had the vibe like that dude in fight club?

[swift falcon]

I haven't seen fight club, so I'm not particularly sure

[lone rapids]

Which company

[daring gazelle]

smart

asking which company so he can apply as well

you should applied for Snap

[lone rapids]

Dont twll company but is that a sde position?

[daring gazelle]

that shit start in august

I flung that intervirew

[lone rapids]

Bruhhh

Palantir interview is so diff as well

[lone rapids]

I think i applied but they never contacted back

[daring gazelle]

yeah by that time my OPT would be gone

i did shit duriong the interview

[grizzled bronze]

Dang that sucks, especially after going through their long shitty ass process

[daring gazelle]

Our Father, Who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come.

Please give me a job

I wont make fun of Catholic anymore

well

except when its funny

[swift falcon]

we shall over comeeeeee

[fossil jewel]

damn is this fr

[lone rapids]

That’s rip

Their swe bar is very high

[daring gazelle]

I kneel

[fossil jewel]

esp since i've seen so many palantir applicants get rejected after 3 long months of interviewing

[lone rapids]

Me

lol

Did not take 3 months though

[fossil jewel]

they really walked all over people huh

[daring gazelle]

my vibe rn

I should have listen to my mum go to med school ngl

fakkkk

was too lazy

[swift falcon]

don't doccors have the same problems

[fossil jewel]

doctors have crazy schooling

but i dont think they'll ever be out of demand

[swift falcon]

like getting placed

they have to go through this dumb bullshit

and also pay to apply and shit

[fossil jewel]

yeah idk the extent of how bad placement is

[grizzled bronze]

People are still getting offers in the process channel so yes, it's gonna require a lot of patience though and applications. Just apply daily and look at #grad_postings_old and LinkedIn as well.

[swift falcon]

i've seen some tiktok

[fossil jewel]

but the bar for entry for med is higher than swe

[swift falcon]

wow I had no idea this channel existed

[grizzled bronze]

Didn't realize their TC was that high

[fossil jewel]

you'd think fdse would be "safe" bc its a government contract

[lone rapids]

No credible news of layoff yet

[whole berry]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-robot-gif-5733980

me every day now

[jovial latch]

what in the actual fuck are they looking for, 2 perfect rounds and then i get rejected

[whole berry]

https://tenor.com/view/purpose-i-dont-know-lost-to-do-mr-robot-gif-9040458

[jovial latch]

i fucking hate this economy

and everyone

im actually so fucked

[split plaza]

OMSCS

although the fall 2023 deadline just passed

[static moth]

holy crap rip palantir man

[lone rapids]

Only one person on reddit posted

[fossil jewel]

yeah it could be a rumor

well just have to wait and see

[tardy geode]

Holy fck

[sleek owl]

If I have a pending green card application but planning to use my OPT for a year maybe till I receive my EAD

Do I click yes I require sponsorship?

[tardy geode]

employees are just a number

instead of rescinding and laying off , why can't companies slash TC

its better than not having a job/laying off

imo

[fossil jewel]

but muh 240k

[tardy geode]

240k TC or base ?

[fossil jewel]

500k or bust

[tardy geode]

this economy is like 3 phone screens + 7 rounds . the best we can offer is 50k TC

[fossil jewel]

[jaunty basalt]

Intel did that

[daring gazelle]

I click no on everything

because

if you dont lose anything if they interview you as a new grad

you are jobless anyway

if they really like you

there is a chance you get it

and tell them later

if not

interview practice

insights

the thing is you shouldnt be worried abt wasting some random recruiter time from a company who would not hire you because of your Visa anyways

[coarse quiver]

@pulsar mural, u since you stopped doing proper workout at the gym

[vital leaf]

Hoppity Hop Hop

[brisk meadow]

y'know what's absolutely insane? Median wage in Canada for ALL AGES is under 40k Canadian (in 2020)
How tf is that even possible. MEDIAN so half is lower

[vital leaf]

930 app and 1 offer?

[brisk meadow]

it's rough out here

[vital leaf]

canada

?

[daring gazelle]

Canada is a Communist shithole anyway

[brisk meadow]

as a dirty commie, I wish

[daring gazelle]

this is from a person who is from a communist shithole btw

[vital leaf]

I am beginning to doubt this line "Never Loose Hope"

[daring gazelle]

its was never there to begin with

I love being blackpilled and pesimistic

[coarse quiver]

not every canadian is living in toronto, vancouver, montreal

[vital leaf]

My situation is even worse, If I dont have a job in 1 month, I will be thrown out of states

[brisk meadow]

I'm currently at my parents in rural Ontario and it would be very difficult to live on 40k here

[daring gazelle]

we are in the same boat man

[coarse quiver]

how so?

[vital leaf]

[daring gazelle]

the only difference

I am smart af

[brisk meadow]

if you are able to demonstrate how hard you've been applying will they possibly extend that?

[vital leaf]

[daring gazelle]

I got a friends family who one a contracting company

[vital leaf]

They simply dont care!

[daring gazelle]

I am doing their website

my OPT is resolved

[brisk meadow]

rent for your own apt is ~$1000 CAD, which isn't a lot if you are in Toronto, but in rural yee haw land it's crazy. Food is expensive. It's possible but you will have basically 0 free money

[daring gazelle]

I have to adopt this unhinged lunatic personality to go on

but it is what it is

[pure mauve]

holy fuck more rescinding from palantir wtf

[vital leaf]

Now my mind is starting to think why I left my job in Faang in my home country

[daring gazelle]

mostly because people who come here hates their own country

I come here for the money

[vital leaf]

I got instant reject for palantir

[vital leaf]

+1

[daring gazelle]

America is like a place where you come in when you are young

like joining the Mafia

[vital leaf]

Imma play some game

[daring gazelle]

then plan your way out

with the cash

NGL some Indian hate India more than USA

at least the ones over here

[fallen fox]

Optimized landing page latency <<<details>>>> using React.js and JavaScript

does this sound okay?

[daring gazelle]

how you do that?

isnt latency depends of geo location?

[fallen fox]

page loads faster

[daring gazelle]

google edge location

[fallen fox]

[daring gazelle]

and availibity zone

[fallen fox]

is saying 'using React.js and JavaScript' okay?

or should I just say React.js

[daring gazelle]

both for the bots

[fallen fox]

thanks

[daring gazelle]

page load faster is also depend on how fast you send the package back to ther client browser or am i wrong here?

[jovial latch]

who the fuck is still hiring

i nearly had a mental breakdown after being rejected today after a fianl rouind

[daring gazelle]

I feel you man

[arctic pine]

Goddamn

I thought palantir was “safe”

[graceful crown]

same shit bro

i was talking to the recruiter and he was saying youll get the offer

3 mins into the conversation he got feedback from interviewer

[jovial latch]

im fucking tired of recrutiers ghosting me and only finding out i got rejected after emalimg them

[graceful crown]

and REJECT

[jovial latch]

fuck hr, fuck recruiters, scum of the earth

probably got fuckin rejected from this other company too without even knowing it

[stone granite]

Me after Apple

Had to beg recruiter to give feedback

Replied after 3 days

[graceful crown]

i have an offer for MS, considering giving up on the job search

[stone granite]

Even though I smashed all 4 rounds with enthusiasm

[jovial latch]

god ima have to start applying to shitty ass contract postings

actually fuck my life

i hate talking to those people

whole thing is always so scammy

[daring gazelle]

you know

even if you sing the contract

its not even that legal because of the term

you can leave

if they sue you the judge probably throw that shit out after looking at it

[jovial latch]

so i should do it?

[daring gazelle]

probably

because I know a personal who works at a more legit contractor

Booz allen I think

they told me

they worked at indian witch company before

the contract is there to spook young people into not leaving

[jovial latch]

i just need money

[daring gazelle]

but in reality no legit contractor like Robert Half or Booz allen make you sign anything

because it shit cant be enforced

In fact I think that person told me she left those witch company during those non compete

and still fine

like if they call you

just say "sue me bitch"

[jovial latch]

so what are the legit contractors

[daring gazelle]

Robert Half

Booz Allen

like companies run by white people basically

[fallen fox]

yeah those contracts are illegal

but apparently some of these scummy consultancies

reach out to your new employer

[jovial latch]

k, the recent rejection has basically left me no choice but to spend every hour applying to literally everything

[daring gazelle]

the only problem

[jovial latch]

im running out of time

[fallen fox]

and tell them you are on a "contract"

[daring gazelle]

legit one do not sponsor

like my contacts try real hard to get me in

they send her an entire powerpoint

[jovial latch]

im not international so i mean, should be fine

[daring gazelle]

show how hiring OPT h1b cost them 20k dollars

[daring gazelle]

then you are good man

[jovial latch]

i just want to avoid the ones with like scammy indians lmao

[daring gazelle]

Booz Allen is good

[jovial latch]

yea ill go check out the site

i had wanted to stay in the nyc area as my living situation is really good but ive been applying to places in completely different parts of the country

i mean fuck its entirely possible the next year or 2 of my life will be miserable

[daring gazelle]

what is even in NYC anyway

dont tell me the food

[gleaming fable]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-gif-19708759

[jovial latch]

my social life, my awesome ass living situation, familiarity, its good, to have to uproot everything for some crappy job is gonna suck and mentally drain me, but it will probably come to that

[daring gazelle]

ngl we should make a Group chat or a cohort or something so in the future all jobless people in this channel can use nepotism to get each other jobs

if anyone of us made it

[grizzled bronze]

Hard to get into Booz Allen, so don't get your hopes up just because it's a contractor. Still apply though.

[gleaming fable]

NYC has a great culture and is a global economic powerhouse, also the most functional public transit in the country

[daring gazelle]

you need referal

The thing it its really funny

[jovial latch]

ah fuck

[daring gazelle]

they dont really hire qualify candidates

[jovial latch]

how does one get a referral

[daring gazelle]

contact your indian friend

I contact people in my comminity

but I am international

diversity is never a good selling point to live rat race inside basically modern equivalent of a dystopian prison anyways

[chilly burrow]

I wouldn't call livin in NYC a dystopia...

[daring gazelle]

When I think NYC I think of Shanghai

and other rat race city

never again

I lived in a closet once

[chilly burrow]

Doesn't Shanghai have horrible work culture?

[daring gazelle]

kill me to do that again

I walk to the country side get a wiff of cows poop and thought to myself. Ngl I rather this than smelling dust for years in a crowded city again

exactly

it is

if the people in the 1960 look at NYC now they would be horrify

[gleaming fable]

no they wouldn't lmao

nyc is basically the same as it was in 1960

[daring gazelle]

everything

[gleaming fable]

most of the skyscrapers are the same even

[rustic vessel]

Nyc at night is sus

[daring gazelle]

exactly

[rustic vessel]

Got off the subway to 5 guys in a circle shooting up heroin

[gleaming fable]

so still the safest city in the country by a wide margin and essentially the center of the professional economy for the whole east coast?

nyc in the 80s was way worse and genuinely scary to live in

[rustic vessel]

Think lower manhattanish

[fossil jewel]

i mean as long as you mind your business and not make eye contact

you're fine lmao

[jovial latch]

nyc is fine, silicon valley though is definitely a dystopia

lol

[fossil jewel]

its all tech bros

[daring gazelle]

about as safe as london

[gleaming fable]

bruh you think london is unsafe?

[daring gazelle]

it is

[gleaming fable]

my gf has done multiple solo trips there and no one has so much as catcalled her lmao

london is great

[daring gazelle]

spoken like a true New Yorker

I know people who live in Lodon

[gleaming fable]

I've never lived in ny lmao

[daring gazelle]

my cousin is there rn

[gleaming fable]

I lived in philadelphia

the poorest major city in the country

[daring gazelle]

Knife Crimes

[gleaming fable]

and grew up in north philly

[daring gazelle]

mugging

[gleaming fable]

the poorest part of philly

[daring gazelle]

everywhere

ok

Detroit downtown is also safe

doesnt mean Detroit is safe

[fossil jewel]

i think cities will have a skew towards more crime due to more density/population

[daring gazelle]

not something to be proud of ngl

[gleaming fable]

its a disingenous stretch to imply that nyc is unsafe because the outer parts of the bronx and queens are unsafe when they have <10% of the entire population

[daring gazelle]

could be true

I pray for my soul

idk man

[unkempt forum]

https://tenor.com/view/rimuru-tempest-rimuru-slime-pray-clap-gif-22127762

[daring gazelle]

what about tokyo?

most of my life is in big af cities man

yes

[jovial latch]

big cities have more things going on good and bad because they just have more people, it doesnt mean the concept of cities is a bad thing

[gleaming fable]

tokyo has quite a bit of crime that they sweep under the rug

[daring gazelle]

In Asia

only Asian

= less crime

funny too

when Asian deal drugs

they deal it outside their town

wonder why

basically a rule you dont shit where you eat

they go to london to deal drugs

the organized one dont

if anything they use their town for money laundering

boost the economy

real smart

go to China Town sometime you see some place real cheap that has rats and shit in there

you wonder how the hell this place still in business

740

can you fit an extra bed in the 120 sqft and get a roommate and split?

if not

yeah and its not like you gonna introducing anyone to the extra 120 sqft anyway

"you know I once spend an extra 200 bucks to buy more space so I can spend even more money to fill that space with stuff"

just live in a pod man

at this point

nah man those pods look comfy af

you can smell your own feet and stuff there

ngl if I have money I would build an entire building full of pods in the middle of NYC

introduce real rat race experience

with vending machine and bento box and shit

exactly

I bet people would still pay for it

"for the night life"

real business plan ngl

like WeWork

but with pods

[chilly burrow]

Binance (Canada):
https://jobs.lever.co/binance/1560b414-bcd6-40ef-b6c8-0a5ee816e23e

MixRank:
https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/mixrank/jobs/WdgITmW-junior-software-engineer-global-remote

[tardy geode]

crossed 150 mediums today

😭

[swift falcon]

bro does it get easier after a while

[chilly burrow]

applying for jobs only takes like 10~20 min top

also i dont do lc heavy while applyin for jobs

i do mayb an hour a day

i start grindin wen i hav an interview comin up

[tardy geode]

yes with practice , i observed that being consistent helps

[swift falcon]

when did u start seeing results

[chilly burrow]

yes. i've done 250ish qs and can solve most mediums + hards

i've also solved hards durin interviews

[tardy geode]

like i didn’t understand shit about backtracking like 4 days back then i watched videos on it and tried probs and noticed a pattern or a way in which you solve backtracking probs like started with subsets , then combinations and then atlast permutations . i feel confident about that topic now atleast not 100% but 70-80%

[swift falcon]

do you guys ever like think about how to solve and then get frustrated and just look yo the answer?

[tardy geode]

neetcode has nice videos on backtracking(its in his pro subscription though)

[swift falcon]

tbh I’m just bad at LC overall tbh

[tardy geode]

thats normal ,

[chilly burrow]

thats the trick

you shouldnt spend more than 20~30min

[tardy geode]

i would say i am not the best but okay at it

[chilly burrow]

after that i look at the answer and study it

until i understand the logic and can implment on my own

[swift falcon]

oh ok

[chilly burrow]

i then will try a problem with a similar pattern/ds/algo

and see if i can apply the same logic there

[swift falcon]

so you don’t necessarily look at implementation, just like the general algorithm?

[chilly burrow]

if i cant rinse and repeat until i understand

[chilly burrow]

i look at the implmentation in a diff lang

so i dont accidently cheat

[tardy geode]

@swift falcon if you solve Lc in python , get neetcode pro . it has helped me not 100% but 70-80%

[swift falcon]

i do java

[chilly burrow]

i usually look at the python answer

and then do it in java

[swift falcon]

fk python

[chilly burrow]

same i do it in java as well

[tardy geode]

as in?

i do revise probs

[chilly burrow]

but i look at the python answer so i dont accidently just copy the logic

[tardy geode]

and then explain it to myself

[swift falcon]

ok mb I start doing this

[tardy geode]

by reciting the logic

[swift falcon]

did you guys start on easies?

[chilly burrow]

i start on easies for patterns

[tardy geode]

its fine until and unless you are able to explain it

[chilly burrow]

once u start getting the hang of a pattern on easy

switch to medium

[tardy geode]

also when you remember the logic its easier to code it out .

[chilly burrow]

mediums r wat u shoud practice most imo

[tardy geode]

also do easy probs first don’t jump on mediums

coz medium sometime are extension of easy probs so they form the base

[fallen fox]

should you reach out to a previous recruiter who rejected you after the final interview?

[swift falcon]

that’s what I was thinking but I gotta get in the mindset

[fallen fox]

the company posted a new role again

[chilly burrow]

tbf lc count isnt evrytign

i kno a guy whos only dun 50 lc

[swift falcon]

and get proficient enough to do mediums lol

[chilly burrow]

and can solve most hards lol

[tardy geode]

its fine , like for me i count it just to stay motivated and push myself more

[swift falcon]

I majorly skated in advanced algos tbh

wait do you guys know if leetcode problems are in the CLRS text book?

like can you look at the algo solution in clrs and code on LC?

I feel like that would be more productive for me if it was

ig i just have the physical book so I might as well use it

[shut crescent]

mostly handshake/linkedin

def getting more responses nowadays

[daring gazelle]

you US citizen?

[shut crescent]

i had a few companies reach back to me for a career fair that i attended like 8 months ago lol

[shut crescent]

yeah

[daring gazelle]

exactly

[shut crescent]

i would do as many mediums as u can

hards are a good skip for sure

the chances of u actually getting a hard are slim for new grad tbh, only gotten one and that was for rippling

[lone copper]

when you accept an offer how long do you wait to put it on your LinkedIn profile experience?

Today I accepted a part time engineering position at a robotics start up funded through my uni that is from Monday until graduation, I wanted to put it on my LinkedIn so it looks more impressive when it gets viewed. Should I wait or just add it now?

[daring gazelle]

you dont add until you start working

[white escarp]

Sounds like me lool

I just cant spend hrs everyday on lc

And i cant solve hard lmao

[lone copper]

ok thanks! my official start date is monday though I have an onboarding meeting on Tuesday. it's a hybrid/remote role so not sure if i will actually be doing any work on monday bc it's kinda just tasked based programming assignments per week. so would you suggest Tuesday?
also my boss already connected with me on LinkedIn lul

I see people do those "incoming engineer at X" so that's why I wasn't sure if hiring people who view my profile care

[daring gazelle]

maybe idk tbh

[verbal ore]

Normal times it’s just being weird imo. In these times it’s pure goofy cuz rescinds and shit

[chilly burrow]

No but he can solve hards

[lone copper]

I notice my profile getting viewed prob bc ive had interviews for jobs recently but I no longer have premium so i cant tell who be viewing it lol. but it's prob not a big deal. So I will add it to my profile once I officially start working

[lone copper]

true

I also want it to be clear that the position isn't full time and only two months, tho I have that cringy #opentowork on my pfp so that prob says enough

[white escarp]

👀

hes cracked

well i mean if he studies really well and understand DSA at school

i can see its really possible

[lone copper]

I have solved one hard and I have like 40 LC 🥲 I've only attempted one hard tho bc I always see easy/medium on OA so it doesn't feel worth since i barely spend any time on LC

[white escarp]

I'd say lc med is enough for the majority of the companies

unless ur aiming for hft or those cool places

[chilly burrow]

He got a bunch of Faang offers

He's def crack

[white escarp]

😮 i wanna be like him

[lunar hatch]

anyone getting okta oa/interview after the second wave of new grad app opened?

[lone copper]

yeah, I have had really nice OAs. I also did hackerrank practice before LC and coding contest in HS + DSA was taught well at my school I think so I got lucky with the OAs for the jobs I applied to . never seen anything harder than a medium

[brisk meadow]

hey gang I just got a few technical questions from a company. They sent me 4 and chose me to choose 2, solve them, and send them back. Interestingly, one of them seems substantially easier than the rest, and one seems substantially harder than the rest. Will I be punished for solving the easy one and not choosing the hard one?

[bold pier]

Probably, unless stated otherwise in the instructions

If nothing's in the instructions just assume the worst

[brisk meadow]

they did say "any two"

[split plaza]

Are you fucking kidding me lmao

Ramp open again

For the third time

[brisk meadow]

Ramp?

[bold pier]

Is it the one with bug hunting shit?

[split plaza]

the CTF yeah

[bold pier]

Go with your gut then, difficulty is anyway relative to each!

[sleek owl]

Are they asking to decrypt the text again?

[split plaza]

Probably

I submitted four flags the first two times and got rejected, debating whether to apply again lmao

[jovial latch]

what even is the whole ctf ting

like what you decrpyt the text and then what

[lone rapids]

Is it like lc?

[brisk meadow]

lc?

[lone rapids]

Leetcode

[brisk meadow]

oh yeah they're like that

but a bit more tailored to the specific position

it's not like exact leetcode problems

[lone rapids]

Chat gpt it

[brisk meadow]

LOL

they ask me to reference specific papers so chatgpt unfortunately will likely not cut it

[lone rapids]

So they are like lc hards

[brisk meadow]

possible - I usually cruise around lc mediums

[tardy geode]

all this grind for what

[tardy geode]

[swift falcon]

say gym class

[tardy geode]

[swift falcon]

alright, well I found an easy in CLRS algo book, so mb there is some hope to learn it that way

[broken sonnet]

did anyone solve that ramp challenge?

Capture the flag thing

[lunar hatch]

I did it last time 4/4 but got rejected

Guess my resume sucks

[jovial latch]

i dont get how a ctf works tbh

[lunar hatch]

Lots of tutorials online

[jovial latch]

i think i remembered last time i decrypted the text but then i was confused as to what i was actally supposed to do lol

[lunar hatch]

Need to observe some details about the website

[jovial latch]

what like the official ramp website?

[lunar hatch]

Nah only the challenge site

I remember for intern last year I got the phone interview

But this year straight up rejected

😢

[broken sonnet]

But what do we need to notice on the website? I am not sure how to do this 😅

[sleek owl]

first step is to decode the message in the link

[broken sonnet]

Yeah I decoded that. It says to play Capture the flags and a wikipedia link to that website

Something about finding seven flags

[tardy geode]

Prayge for the weekend fellas

Prayge or Rescind

[fallen fox]

offer rescinded

[daring gazelle]

Damn really man

FUCK me

[fallen fox]

they told me they don't sponsor for entry-level roles

but they sent the case to immigration

and i will hear back from them next week

[daring gazelle]

What do they mean by this?

[fallen fox]

i guess they're looking more into my case and considering whether or not they want to sponsor in 2025

if they have other qualified candidates in the loop, then it's pretty much over for me

[daring gazelle]

Man truly mine probably will be the same as well

I feel you man

It’s been real tough

[fallen fox]

yeah

my objective was to just get a job to stop the clock and bail later before the h1b process starts again in 2024

ggs i guess

[daring gazelle]

Man it’s real ass not only do we need to find offers but when we do they fuck us like this

Life I guess

[fallen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/sadge-guitar-mills-song-pepe-gif-18595045

[daring gazelle]

Funny thing is

By the time it’s 2025

Why the hell would they think you’d be entry level anymore?

You’d be dev for 3 years already?

[fallen fox]

conduent

they haven't officially rescinded yet

[dusky lark]

So basically

when the hiring trends eventually resume

there still will be a crazy saturated market right

[lone rapids]

Was that a SDE position?

[tardy geode]

the amount of grads waiting for ng 2024 is crazy , due to many big tech interns not getting return offers (example Meta )

Also they won't hire like before as they realised that that amount of man power isn't really needed

this is what i think , i maybe wrong

citizens/pr shoudn't have much prob , i mean atleast you get into the process . but being international is just stressful like so much getting only rejects no OA nothing . its very depressing

depressing , demotivating and what not

very hard to stay sane

each day feels painful

I am grinding despite being demotivated . I have faith that something would pop up

yesterday i got so stressed that i couldn't sleep the whole night

then i had to take sleeping pills and force myself to sleep

[dusky lark]

me too man I had to take doxepin

[tardy geode]

I worked my ass off during my internship , shipped a product that i built from scratch right from creating a react app until deploying it to cloud .

still didn't get a rto , due to hiring freeze and no hc

it broke me to bits , it was painful . took me a month to get backup and start grinding again

still when i hear about it , i get sad . it was my dream which was about to get fulfilled .

Its painful af when you're dreams get snatched away from you when you are so close

[dusky lark]

me after reaching HM rounds for almost all interviews I took till last october
And getting no offers

[tardy geode]

WTF man ,what the fuccc . what has hiring come to ffs

[daring gazelle]

Shit might be hard now

But tbh I still holds the belief that’s it’s not that bad

Worst I go home to my family

Shit even that is good in a lot of ways

[tacit grove]

WTAF

[tardy geode]

i am not even able to enjoy life . fuck leetcode fuck this economy

[bold pier]

I did all that knowing they don't even give rto coz they poor

[tardy geode]

were you at wmt too?

[bold pier]

What's that? I was working with Chief Data Officer at a small supply chain company. No team, nothing. Just me and a dude with more experience than my age.

[daring gazelle]

tbh control over life is an illusion

I stepped back let go

preparation is good

but leetcode wont save you if it wasnt your fate

at the end of the day a job in the US is a mean to and end not the goal

[jovial latch]

another weekend of stress while everyone around me is chilling with their offers fuck me

[tacit grove]

same. feel like it's going to be like this for the next month for me

[daring gazelle]

everyone is doing LC no one gets job

ngl I might just take a different approach and study for more certs and projects

get real specialized

[ionic fox]

Certs ??

Which ones

[daring gazelle]

I might get back on track on that solution architect one from AWS

while doing the Azure Fundamental as well

[ionic fox]

I was thinking about doing that one too

In the future maybe …

[daring gazelle]

you did the practitioner one?

[ionic fox]

Nope

[daring gazelle]

that one got me a few calls

but no offer sadly

one

but that one they might rescind because I am international

like you have to see a pattern here

honest with yourself

are you that good at LC?

can you compete with the other 10000 LC monkeys?

and should you play to your strength or follow others then get no jobs

certs might be better for me ngl

get skill matched

[ionic fox]

Trying to maximize probability of landing something

Doing things that other ppl don’t do

[daring gazelle]

Exactly

[ionic fox]

Like applying to roles with titles that people don’t want to do

[daring gazelle]

I do see a pattern

that companies in the US skill matched

more than LC matched

LC is basically a gatekeeping tool for people to only hired ppl who got refferals

which is in their inner circle

not that its not good at getting good candidates

[ionic fox]

Skill match happens in the initial screen / resume screens to see if you have the skills they want

[daring gazelle]

but if you are doing LC then what metric do you use to asset that person is worth interviewing in the first place?

should still do LC though

[ionic fox]

I think they only use LC to filter out candidates during the interview once they select ppl who match the skills too

[daring gazelle]

yeah its like an IQ test practically without doing actual IQ test

god I love to grind LC all my life just to get a job to be on call all the time then to do even more LC to find another job

this is why I never regretted skipping classes in middle school to jump fences and play Leauge of Legends at net cafe

[bold pier]

That did not come out right,
but I'm up. Got an interview in few weeks, need to grind hard!

[dusky lark]

We all can gym and become models

[chilly burrow]

This is a bad take imo

LC is a screening tool, so they can easily evaluate someone's problem solving, communication, and coding skills.

[chilly burrow]

Their resume + skills...

[torpid birch]

Point is that LC doesn't help ur resume I guess?

But certs do?

I don't think many companies care about certs for dev positions tho

[tribal rampart]

Does ramp have only 4 flags?

[sleek owl]

Can international students claim tax return on tuitions?

[swift falcon]

hi everyone hope you all enjoy your weekend and take some time to relax

🙏

[wind drum]

yes

[errant karma]

Yes you can

[valid bramble]

only resident alien can.

[tardy geode]

so DP problems have a tabulation method

is that 0/1 knapsack or some shit?

[lunar hatch]

wdym by tabulation method

[tardy geode]

making tables and stuff

one of my mates was talking about it but i didn't understand shit

[lunar hatch]

yeah i mean isn't it the bottom-up way?

[tardy geode]

oh

is it?

why DP is so hard ffs

[lunar hatch]

like making an array stuff and populating from base cases using loops?

if that's what you're saying

[tardy geode]

backtracking is way better than this

is there any problem that's like the baby step for DP

like for backtracking its the Subsets problem

[tardy geode]

nope

we can't