2023_grads

[jovial latch]

it aint so much about skill as it is about rng luck

[cloud zinc]

my main issue was me stubbornly believing in my campus career center's advice on my resume for three months straight.

I was told by my career advisor that my resume was perfect but this was when I had this weird two-column section on my skill section that made it impossible for ATF to parse my resume

[jovial latch]

Yea it helps to get the resume checked out from multiple sources

I've gone through a few revisions

[shut crescent]

people are against this and call it unethical, but i would suggest to lie on ur resume and overexaggerate stuff until u get ur first job

other new grads are doing it as well and it puts u way behind competition if u dont do it

[pine topaz]

@pulsar mural ITS OVER, U WILL NO LONGER LAUNCH MISSLES TO YEMEN, Lockheed martin is OVER.

[shut crescent]

obv dont go to the extremes and write director of engineering at google

like if you know what node.js is and used it once, i would write that down

[zinc canyon]

When will the dry spell for new grad interviews end

[jolly ether]

Its always been this way. Its a numbers game

[clear bear]

what happens if you renege an offer? do they have to do the entire interview process for that role again?

damn

[pine topaz]

myu company has a waitlist

[clear bear]

so instead of rejects, people get waitlist emails??

[teal jackal]

Time to start interviewing again, my startup offer isn't safe anymore

[novel nimbus]

No, people get to wait, people get ghosted

[teal jackal]

Oh god oh no oh fuck no

[pine topaz]

the biger quesiton is

why ru afraid of reneging

😈

take 10 offers

[novel nimbus]

Who’s afraid of reneging lol

[pine topaz]

renege 9 accept 1

[novel nimbus]

Yeah that’s what intl students are doing now

[pine topaz]

sorry i thought kaaatdog was afraid of reneging

[clear bear]

i am lol It feelsbad

[primal vale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roEljzOKk3I

[clear bear]

im sure ppl hoarding offers has to be negatively affecting everyone doing the job search rn too

[jovial latch]

thats cause companeis are rescinding left and right

its just a reaction to written offer letters meaning nothing this year

[teal jackal]

Time for me to start mass applying again

Though I hope that the feds bail out SVB

[chilly burrow]

ye

[primal vale]

svb is closed

[teal jackal]

FDIC seized the bank

Yeah

I'm hoping that this will all be under control

[brisk meadow]

it ain't a tech job but my just-graduated ass got hired teaching high school science/math (I don't have a teaching degree and have no idea why they chose me, Canada btw)

So I guess keep that in mind for part time work while on the job hunt

[timber rock]

the future of cs is becoming a pyramid scheme where the only job you can get is teaching cs to more kids

[brisk meadow]

pyramid schemes are based if I'm on the top

[daring gazelle]

As it is intended

For all academic degrees

[teal jackal]

I honestly think that populist rhetoric has pretty much destroyed sympathy for tech

But at the same time the government needs to be pragmatic and be ready to make bailouts to stop startups from collectively dying

[daring gazelle]

More bailouts?

Prints more money to solve problem cause by printing money then export inflation through your currency to third world countries

Smart

Would never backfire at all

[timber rock]

let the startups die and then we can all make a startup to take their place and become rich

🕵️

[cloud zinc]

where would we find the money to make a startup in the first place?

don't you need like 10k minimum to barely get by?

[timber rock]

this servers full of faang interns they can pay for us

[sleek owl]

Can international students teach in high school?

[brave forge]

easier to just be a teachers assistant

[fallen fox]

dont see why not if its related to computer science

[sonic coral]

This is where venture capital comes into play

And why getting a startup funded is less about how good your startup is and more who you know

[daring gazelle]

Sam Bankman-fried basically

I would love to play Leauge of Legends during a meeting and get called a genius for it too

[sleek owl]

I want my 100k offer

[daring gazelle]

good luck

but depends on where you live as well

[tardy geode]

https://deadline.com/2023/03/roku-cash-failed-silicon-valley-bank-streaming-1235285439/

💀

F

[sleek owl]

why did the bank fail?

[daring gazelle]

if you are F1 visa student then yes

if not then no

[rigid lintel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/11n88pd/what_is_the_deal_with_silicon_valley_bank/

[daring gazelle]

OPT has a clock if you cant find any you have to leave

yeah the problem is that either the internship last year

if not then master

even if it last a year

the STEM extension force you to have paying job

no matter internship or not

so you stay at most 1 year if not getting paid

I am on OPT as well

2024 is unlikely

quantitative tightening means

when the interests rate lower it would take at least half a year for the market to catch up

the high interest rate will last to next year

Have money > master

No money > Canada

tbh

Canada sound better than Master even if you have money

then do it

lol

huge if

?

idk

Masters is good either way I think

if you got a paying internship

then do it before the master

[sleek owl]

Time to apply

[daring gazelle]

ehh this market will be a couple of years ngl I think

print money for 2 years

stop printing money for 2 years

at this point you can just invest your money based on how much the fed print money ngl

so predictable

was there so dude here who got rejected just because he has a Master?

Canada is depressing

[mossy fiber]

take time to get TN tho

[sleek owl]

anyone done the paypal OA? how hard was it?

[mossy fiber]

if you are just trying to stay. Sure

[daring gazelle]

is it easier to get a job in Canada?

because there are more tech job here

if its shit here I bet its worse theres

[graceful crown]

guys i have a question for the international peeps here

i am on OPT rn after completing bachelors

if i start my masters in fall do i lose my STEM extension for masters?

[lunar hatch]

nah opt is per-degree

[fallen fox]

you lose stem extension + opt for bachelors

[tardy geode]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1075539234045296798/1075555658243506186/campfire_cats.gif

[pine topaz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/972617781910597682/1083918812010786846/20230220_002602_1.gif

[tardy geode]

[tacit grove]

have you applied for stem opt extension yet?

[tardy geode]

that fire is ng2024 and we all are the kittens

[pine topaz]

1 job

100000 applicants

[tardy geode]

then we all get rejected

[pine topaz]

senior takes it

[novel nimbus]

When will it get better?

[daring gazelle]

2 years

at this rate

[novel nimbus]

💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[daring gazelle]

or never

[novel nimbus]

This is scarier than COVIDs recession?

[daring gazelle]

cause these time we live in are an anomoly

[daring gazelle]

Covids wasnt really a recession

at least not for tech

[novel nimbus]

But companies did layoff then

[daring gazelle]

some

[primal vale]

It’ll take decades to recover

[daring gazelle]

but companies always layoff

[primal vale]

After this fall

[daring gazelle]

in a recession shit go down

if we havent seen people on edges of buildings in cities yet

then its not really that bad

after an election? highly unlikely

[mossy fiber]

I think given the turmoil and uncertainty in the market, most companies can't specify detailed development plans, they have to cut back to face uncertainty

[daring gazelle]

that also depends on the administration

Trump wins probably more tarrifs and more tightening

Dems win then money machine go bruhjhhhhhhhhh

A wise man keep an eye on the feds

[fallen fox]

no

[tacit grove]

does your company pay for the extension fee/do companies usually do?

[fallen fox]

not sure but there is no legal requirement to do so

im unemployed on my initial opt rn

[tacit grove]

fundamentally companies should but mine is not :/ wanted to check whether it's the same all over

[tacit grove]

okay

[faint umbra]

Has anyone heard back from 2K after take home test ? They have posted again the same role on linkedin smh !!

[nimble shell]

the entry level market is so saturated holy cow

[fallen fox]

entry-level is impossible

impossible

i'm looking for it roles now

[livid yew]

Lot of PayPal OAs and Expedia rejects today

Must be mass reject

[fallen fox]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/981754288508375150/1023056734664790026/jammies.gif

[quiet crater]

yall are pussy cats

yall gotta be dogs

[grizzled sierra]

How is new grad search going?

I heard that even if you have big tech experience, all the companies are rejecting people

[tender sluice]

Can confirm.

[grizzled sierra]

Someone who interned at Apple said they had to work at target retail cause they couldn't get a full time position

[lone rapids]

Did u get any oa? All i see is frik

[tender sluice]

Oh yes a few, failed em all my leetcode is ass rn

[lunar hatch]

Yes

Three big-n internships

500+ apps till now and only auto oa and two interviews

[sleek owl]

International students can’t even work at target retail

[lunar hatch]

For spring recruiting season

[sleek owl]

Did you get any chance with the auto OA?

[lunar hatch]

Got gts sig and PayPal oa

Nothing so far

[cloud zinc]

A dark room endgame

[lunar hatch]

For interviews I got citadel veeva candid

Can’t count on them tbh

They literally very booked

[lunar hatch]

quant is also over saturated

This year already got rejected by 2s and cubist for headcount related reasons after final round

[faint umbra]

https://stillhiring.today/

[chilly burrow]

Problem is a lot of companies are still hiring, just not new grads

[daring gazelle]

I pray 🙏

[tacit grove]

yeah I agree. I've noticed the same

[daring gazelle]

I listen Lou Bloom speech from Nightcrawler every now and then to cope ngl

https://youtu.be/0PsgbMlggTY

Fr I even wear a suit to interviews now

[nimble shell]

my parents told me to get into this field saying it would be easy for me to find a job after graduation

sigh

[tardy geode]

that fire is expedia ng and those kittens are rejects

[daring gazelle]

As it turns out your parents have the same idea as millions of others

[nimble shell]

its ok, if i never end up getting a swe job, hopefully my future kid will

and live up to my parents dream

[grizzled bronze]

How are you gonna have a future kid without a swe job

[nimble shell]

might go work in construction or smthing

theyre always hiring

[daring gazelle]

Welp

[sleek owl]

Eventually we will all find something

It might take time

[daring gazelle]

Swe isnt the only thing that makes money

Onlyfans

Twitch

Being a beggar

[sleek owl]

Show time on nyc subway

[daring gazelle]

The problem is no one really trust academia to produce qualified candidates anymore

So new grads like us paid all that money for nothing

Here is a new grift

Just make a podcast

Open a patreon

Hella money

[nimble shell]

yo honestly

thats a million dollar idea

[daring gazelle]

Seem to be popular nowadays

Honestly its hella comedic

[nimble shell]

i been trying to grow a twitch and maybe become a streamer

but i get 0-1 views

a month

seems too saturated

[daring gazelle]

Go on youtube

They are everywhere

Just the idea alone makes me laugh

Their business model is basically this short

[rain patio]

This is gold

[sonic sand]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/10/business/silicon-valley-bank-stock.html

[teal jackal]

Jesus the market is THAT bad right now?

Expedia new grad pipeline closed yesterday

[teal jackal]

yeah veeva yield protects

youd be better off with a prior internship at a local company than being ex FAANG for veeva

[pine topaz]

ironicallyat the end of the movie lou reminds me of every employer

and the intern reminds me of us every worker

great movie

[fleet kiln]

anyone know if versace hires software engineers

[tardy geode]

i feel even veeva would get filled soon

the way they handing out calls and calendly links

[oblique wasp]

Hey guys
I got an online assessment from a small company
They say that its a 15 minute MCQ test on Hackerrank
The role is Backend Java developer

I am clueless on what kind of questions can be asked. Any help or advice would be appreciated.

[tardy geode]

MCQs based on springboot , hibernate , JPA etc

since its java backend stuff

good luck

how many apps you guys applying to per day?

[oblique wasp]

Even if the job description did not ask for any of these skills?

[oblique wasp]

around 20. Wbu?

[tardy geode]

wait , how did the job description not ask for atleast springboot and hibernate ? coz these stuff are the heart and soul of Java Backend

[tardy geode]

yeah same roughly 20-30 nowadays

gotta increase it to 50-80

[oblique wasp]

Ikr! But it doesn't ask and thats why I applied lol
I know Core Java but never learned backend in Java haha

[tardy geode]

[oblique wasp]

same bro. I feel the same! But with college, its difficult to manage 😦

[tardy geode]

i see

[oblique wasp]

Is there any place where we can find mcq questions of hackerrank?

[tardy geode]

bro i am international , i run through 10-20 pages of jobs section and apply to like 20-30 in total

[tardy geode]

there's this place called sanfoundry

it has lot of mcqs

[oblique wasp]

same. I am international too

[tardy geode]

the mental agony is real

[oblique wasp]

Okay so i see mcqs and programs here.
But there is nothing hackerrank specific, right?

[oblique wasp]

I swear! Did you already start your OPT days?

[tardy geode]

i graduate in may

[tardy geode]

its not hackerrank specific tho

hackerrank might have some kind of mock test ?

BS or Ms?

[oblique wasp]

Awesome! You'll get a full new cycle. May is when they release new grad applications

[tardy geode]

really?

[oblique wasp]

Okay, I'll check

[oblique wasp]

MS

[tardy geode]

man this is a trash market

plus the rising interest rates is making companies do layoffs

i feel

[oblique wasp]

Yea, May/June is the time when majority companies release new grad positions for CS atleast.

[tardy geode]

and that powell dude is pretty vocal about it

[oblique wasp]

Yea

[tardy geode]

i am struggling at LC but somehow managing

i feel mock interviews might help but how do i take one

[oblique wasp]

Try mock interviews channel in this server
mock interviews at your university's career center (if they are not s**t)
and there is some software by google that also helps you give feedback on ur interview. I forogot the name

if I get it then I''ll lyk

[daring gazelle]

I use Pramp

[tardy geode]

is it free?

[daring gazelle]

yes

good way to network too

[tardy geode]

only 6 mocks you get for free is what i see

[young jewel]

Is anyone done with the recruiter screening at Cohesity?

[tardy geode]

bruh i got rejected , like fking resume rejected

[daring gazelle]

nah

you get 1 daily for free

6 is scheduled

you can schedule

but if you join i think at 10 am and 6 pm

its free

[daring gazelle]

you have your resume up here?

[tardy geode]

what i didn't get you

[daring gazelle]

just go to the website at 6pm

[tardy geode]

gotcha

EST or PST

[tardy geode]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/981754288508375150/1081810437064114256/4x.gif

[nimble shell]

[cloud zinc]

some of us are crashing this grad channel because we've been slow roasted by this market

[tender sluice]

FRIK MAAAN

FRIK.

I need a job bro FRIK FRIK FRIK FRIK FRI FRIK

[upper crown]

How are you able to find these many positions per day ?

[plush lily]

Man i feel like it might be your resume. Maybe it is not optimized for ATS (idk if that is a thing fr cuz there are different opinions out there but it won't hurt to check it)

Specially if you have Google exp. But also the market is shit

[tender sluice]

Ive gotten like 5-8 call backs after like ~120 apps

flopped everything

[plush lily]

What do you think went south?

[chilly burrow]

That's not that bad of a response r8 in dis economy tbh

[nimble shell]

even the ones that I thought I nailed

it never leads anywhere

[tender sluice]

Couple wanted to pay me 40-50k I said hell naw

Couple I just can’t do system design and leetcode

Couple I messed up the OA

Bad luck tbh

[tender sluice]

Facts bro 😦

[tender sluice]

Honestly I got a shit ton but I thought I had Goog in the bag so I didn’t try

[chilly burrow]

Damn unfortunate 😕

[nimble shell]

[plush lily]

You were summer intern?

[tender sluice]

Yepppp

[plush lily]

Unlucky

But keep trying, honestly you never know when or how it comes

[tender sluice]

I feel it coming bro

[tardy geode]

@tender sluice bro you got G on your resume , how you getting resume rejected fam . i feel bad for you

[jovial latch]

really, really bad market

ye my roommates got return offers several months ago and have been chilling finishing out the last semester meanwhile ive been stressed out to hell every single day with this crap lol

[tardy geode]

can you feel you bro , same with me

all of my flatmates been chilling except me

when will this pain and suffering end , i have so many other goals to achieve 😭

[daring gazelle]

I hope I make it

[nimble shell]

fr

[daring gazelle]

Possible rescind idk

[nimble shell]

all my friends NOT in cs are chilling

[daring gazelle]

They graduated?

[nimble shell]

well the ones that are arent worried about their jobs being rescinded

and the ones that did are still working

[daring gazelle]

Exactly

[plush lily]

It must be nice being a lawyer or something

[daring gazelle]

Nah

The only one who are chilling in this market are prostitute

[brave forge]

what do they work in

[nimble shell]

medical related, insurance, accounting, etc

[daring gazelle]

Medical makes sense

[daring gazelle]

How much would be enough? I think it’s depends on the location too right?

[fossil jewel]

accounting too

pretty much every company needs someone to deal with their finances

[brave forge]

every company also needs someone to write software for them 😢

[daring gazelle]

some more so than other

but everyone and their mother has a CS degree now

[brave forge]

may i introduce you to engineering? everyone has that degree also

[daring gazelle]

yes but probably more CS

and we have to compete with bootcamper

and consultancy who lies in resume

[tardy geode]

its either CS or Software Engineering or Information Systems

everywhere

[west egret]

Having a degree alone is auto advantage against boot campers though

[daring gazelle]

and then there are the seft taugh Steve Waz wizards

[tardy geode]

"few years ago I worked as a cashier , now 4 years after I am starting as a SWE @ Google"

[daring gazelle]

no

[west egret]

Unless they have years of experience

[daring gazelle]

but they will

the bootcamp conjure up those for them

because the bootcamp only get money if they find them jobs

so they lie

[brave forge]

cs degree is easy i am close to graduating in < 2 years of uni

[daring gazelle]

its not illegal to lie in your resume

[plush lily]

Computer engineering?

[tardy geode]

lol ik a guy who has worked at WITCH and has lied all over the place in his resume

[brave forge]

no noemal engineering fields

[tardy geode]

even projects he just ripped off of github

[daring gazelle]

Also in tech they hate Academia so they dont even care abt degree just need a bachelor

[tardy geode]

and put it in his resume

[west egret]

I mean are you implying a boot camp will set up companies that will vouch for the bootcamper’s experience during a background check?

[daring gazelle]

they hire art degree as well

[plush lily]

You didn't have to do me like that

[daring gazelle]

or they vouch themselves

[brave forge]

working as cashier doesn't mean you aren't smart. Some people just need jobs while they are in university to get by.

[west egret]

That’s anecdotal and limited to one company

[daring gazelle]

Squid game 2023

Battle Royal you have to kill other CS grad for a job in the future

Nothing personal but if it was me against you guys I would do it

[brave forge]

ya that adds a lot of people who graduated with a science degree like Chemistry or Physics and all the Engineers who just decide to switch to SWE jobs for higher pay

[west egret]

I don’t think legit companies will see the person having “experience” at the boot camp they attended as being valid experience.

[daring gazelle]

HR dont care

just title and shit on resume is enough

[tardy geode]

💀

[brave forge]

why u looking at data jobs 💀

[west egret]

On average, I highly doubt recruiters are going to place those with CS degrees as secondary to boot campers.

[tardy geode]

bro this was under software engineer new grad , on linkedin

not even kidding

[brave forge]

hmm why does it say data analyst then

also linkedin clumps any job related to engineering together, even electrical engineering/mechanics other type of jobs

[tardy geode]

💀

[west egret]

People still read job requirements when applying?

I just apply and forget about it

I don’t even remember applying to the companies that are just now giving me summer 2022 rejections

[tardy geode]

you can't go on and apply to 5+ years of exp role , that's just wasting time on that app . imagine you don't read jd a bit and then its a workday app then find out it requires 5+ years of exp which you don't have

literally could have done 2-3 other apps rather than wasting time on that app

[west egret]

I mean I don’t apply to everything lol

[tardy geode]

gotcha

[west egret]

If it’s labeled New Grad I’ll apply

[tardy geode]

yeah if its labelled ng then yeah even i skip reading jd

[west egret]

When you’re applying after having experience, it’s going to require some skimming of the job description

[tardy geode]

yeah

[fallen fox]

shouldve graduated in 2021

i shouldve taken extra classes

[west egret]

Because even for that posting

How many new grads will they get with 6 years experience lol

[tardy geode]

1 ng opens up , there are like 5k apps . that's how ruthless and shit this market is

[brave forge]

hmm im a december grad I wonder what 2024 new grad will be like

[fallen fox]

i think a lot of applications are garbage

like from different majors, bootcamps etc

[tardy geode]

it will be worse

[brave forge]

my intern company said they hire mostly everyone back 👀 im still hoping they hire me after this summer

[tardy geode]

like i couldn't believe Zscaler ng . in 2 hours 1.5k apps then after like 5 hourse 4k apps

then they closed it

[west egret]

Honestly focus on just being social with your team

[fallen fox]

ive been getting rejected from no-name startups

they don't even require a degree

[west egret]

People would rather work with someone they can get along with than someone that knows everything

[grizzled bronze]

A lot of these 5K apps are shit compared to your resume, many of them don't meet any qualifications either

[fallen fox]

yes for sure

[west egret]

That’s not even cope though

[fallen fox]

that's probably true though

[west egret]

If you’re on this server, your motivation compared to the average person is higher

[fallen fox]

if it's 5k then at least 4k are garbage

[brave forge]

so just chat with them, try to make friends, and go out to events with them?

[west egret]

That’s what I did lmao

Paid $20/lunch 2 days out of the week but it worked

[grizzled bronze]

Expense it to your company

[west egret]

I didn’t even have my first commit until more than a month into the internship

[brave forge]

ok that's good to know

[fossil jewel]

yeah and show initiative

and desire to learn

if your job has you request access, you can do some learning while you wait for the access to be granted

[jovial latch]

Basically a normal person that can talk to people and not be an anti social cs stereotype

That shit makes an impression

[steady sage]

Just a heads up for those in the Greater Seattle Metro area: Seattle Seahawks are looking for a Data Analyst Engineering Intern. Cut off for recent grads is within 6 months, otherwise they want Juniors and Seniors as well. Job is in Renton.

[narrow harbor]

anyone have any free interview guide links especially behavioral stuff?

[pine topaz]

https://www.techinterviewhandbook.org/behavioral-interview/

[tardy geode]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/981754288508375150/1083951927362076714/20230220_002602_1.gif

legend

has anyone tried algomonster?

[grizzled bronze]

I trust Algoexpert more because he was not only Ex-Google but also Ex-Facebook

[fossil jewel]

codepathhhhh

solid resource

[pulsar mural]

OREOOOOOO

OREOOOOOOOOO

[rain patio]

OREOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[fossil jewel]

[narrow harbor]

if i graduated dec 2022 im considered 2023 new grad right? i know i couldve applied around last sept/aug, but when would be the next best time to apply?

and should i put a 2023 grad date on my resume

[rain patio]

i'd put dec 2022 as grad date

& now

[fossil jewel]

you can techincally put Jan 2023

since usually dec means you ended late dec if your school is weird like that

[narrow harbor]

tyty

[nimble shell]

another night of tucking myself into bed unemployed

[tardy geode]

[graceful crown]

https://www.businessinsider.com/google-united-tiktok-bmw-paypal-uber-meta-lyft-2023-3?amp

[tardy geode]

woah

its all biz at the end , i would always cringe at people who would say "X company cares for employees like me "

[fossil jewel]

we're all numbers

[jovial latch]

ah yes i LOVE when my hackerrank oa errors out on its own because theres issues with the input parsing thats given lmao

i still got it though

[tardy geode]

yeah

[cloud zinc]

It gets worse when your passion to work gets confused with company loyalty such as that.

like no shit companies only care about money and business. Choosing to work extra hours here and there to complete tickets doesn't make me a company dog.

[livid yew]

I have too much passion

[fallen fox]

do you guys ever fill this out?

[daring gazelle]

chat gpt

[tiny cape]

I pretty much just put my cover letter there

[tardy geode]

most of the times i skip

[tardy geode]

my mate is cracked

389 mediums 💀

i am struggling in recursion which is messing other things like graphs and all

need somekind of study plan or some guidance rather than doing random problems

[jaunty storm]

How many LC have you done?

[tardy geode]

i have done around 150 mediums and 230 easies

ik lot of easies

[livid yew]

[tardy geode]

kinda doomed but i am trying to do more

[jaunty storm]

Around the same as me. You should be in good shape.

[tardy geode]

[livid yew]

[tardy geode]

this scares me

[livid yew]

I am just getting into LC again

after like 2years

[tardy geode]

hope so

[livid yew]

[jaunty storm]

I have around 430 solved. But I need to be constantly on it to stay sharp.

[livid yew]

nerd

[tardy geode]

[livid yew]

[tardy geode]

damn bro

[livid yew]

sheesh

[tardy geode]

430 that's sick

[livid yew]

touch grass

but also pog

[jaunty storm]

I think once I hit 500 I should have just about enough questions to practice with.

[jaunty storm]

No grass. Only snow.

[livid yew]

most people say the NeetCode 150 is enough for most stuff tbh

[tardy geode]

do you get most mediums in one go ? or need to see solution

[livid yew]

same thing, different day lol

[jaunty storm]

I practice the ones I don’t know mostly and come back and solve them. I can get most of them pretty quick.

[tardy geode]

well then you are more than fine

[livid yew]

I can solve most questions in like 20-30min tbh

[tardy geode]

i couldn't solve this easy question called minimum count value , that hit me

[livid yew]

I dont even check the difficulty lvl, I just read the problem tbh

[jaunty storm]

I passed Bloomberg’s technicals. Most stuff easier than that should be doable for me.

[tardy geode]

i had bought NC's course thinking that it might help but it doesn't .

[livid yew]

small flex

[jaunty storm]

Some easies are hard.

[tardy geode]

NC's DS course is trash tbh . its like on a very basic level doesn't go in depth

[livid yew]

^ this kid actually is a nerd

MCS

noice

[tardy geode]

oh i see

[jaunty storm]

I spent a lot of time in school.

[livid yew]

curious what made you switch out of Civil

[jaunty storm]

Covid-19

[livid yew]

and give me a real answer, none of the high TC bullshit

oh

I see

wait you should have been FT working well before covid

with a 2018 grad date

I have a lot of friends in/graduated in CivE

but yeah pog that you were able to switch and pick up on DSA/LeetCode so fast

[jaunty storm]

I was the one that didn’t make it back then. COVID didn’t help my case and made me gave up Civil.

[livid yew]

crazy to go from no/little CS to solving mediums/hards in like 2-3 years

[jaunty storm]

It took me 1 year to land a tech internship from 0.

[livid yew]

ngl

ok stop flexing mf

[tardy geode]

idk if i am doing LC the right way

[livid yew]

smh

[tardy geode]

[livid yew]

[jaunty storm]

I like to post a little subtle flex to help the low self esteem.

[tardy geode]

i still struggle in mediums , don't know what resources to refer to except NC . sometimes i wonder if i suck at LC or suck at python

[livid yew]

I accepted low esteem and self deprecation at a young age, like 10 or 11

[jaunty storm]

Did you know I have a pricy fursuit ordered?

[tardy geode]

or am i in the wrong field

[livid yew]

no

[jaunty storm]

I thought the same thing.

[livid yew]

its tough for everyone

like its just not normal programming

it almost requires a seperate degree tbh

[tardy geode]

idk man , i watched a graph video and tried solving number of islands myself

couldn't solve it , had to see the solution

[livid yew]

yeah

same

[tardy geode]

i thought i understood it

[livid yew]

I can rarely solve a problem first go

with no help

[tardy geode]

but then i wasn't able to

[livid yew]

consider this

you couldnt just ride a bike the first time

you need practice and training

[tardy geode]

i then feel very afraid as to how will i pass phone screens/interviews

[livid yew]

or you couldn't swim well at a young age

[tardy geode]

ik bro

[livid yew]

prob

oh I failed many, many phone screens

and

[tardy geode]

one day it gave me so much anxiety that i couldn't sleep properly

[livid yew]

I would suggest talking to doctor then

and get some meds

no cap

[tardy geode]

people say you won't get a job if you are ass at LC

[livid yew]

no it is possible without LC

just less common these days

all my current and past jobs had little to no LC

[tardy geode]

i mean i can build stuff , i really like designing systems and writing code for it but LC man i just suck ass at it

[livid yew]

like 2sum level

[livid yew]

you and me should pair program some LC sometime

I think it would be nice to learn together

[tardy geode]

i am in

[livid yew]

share ideas

[tardy geode]

what language do you code in ? just curious

[livid yew]

for LC?

[tardy geode]

yea

[livid yew]

usually python

[tardy geode]

same

[livid yew]

sometimes Java

[jaunty storm]

If I ever make it, I’m going to personally train you and give you a referral.

[livid yew]

[jaunty storm]

I’ve done it before. I’ve trained people.

[livid yew]

I think if I had started LC earlier in life

I would be better off

just did not do much in college

[tardy geode]

train me too i am in dire need , a friend explaining stuff is better than watching shit ton of videos and still struggling

[livid yew]

so I have started taking notes for each problem

like

just quick thoughts

and sometimes a quick diagram

and then when I get stuck, I look at those

[tardy geode]

i remember last year i was struggling so much with hashmap problems , afriend of min explained it to me and then i went on to solve like 10 problems pretty well in one go related to it

[livid yew]

yeah

hashmap stuff is chill

[tardy geode]

yea

[jaunty storm]

The summer hiring season is coming up.

[livid yew]

[jaunty storm]

I got confirmation that some companies aren’t hiring new grad this year.

Salesforce is already out.

Mess up one OA junior year and it’s a 3 year wait to apply again…

I don’t see any real shot at some of these companies until I hit my early 30s.

[livid yew]

you applied for SWE stuff full time as a Junior

sheesh

I was not doing apps until late Senior year

lmfao

never the "new grad" either

[jaunty storm]

Intern to covert to full time.

[livid yew]

oh

[jaunty storm]

By the time I was ready to go full time, they stopped hiring.

[livid yew]

I did not get return offer from internship

come to think of it

I never asked them about the conversion option

I did not know that was common

[jaunty storm]

I got final round from Microsoft during the 2021 hiring season, but have not had a single chance to try again since.

I could go into 2024 still looking to apply to them.

[livid yew]

yeah I just apply to places, I rarely check the required grad year

[jaunty storm]

Yet they still stay better luck next year.

*next decade.

At least not all companies are like that, some will just hiring every 6 months.

[grizzled bronze]

Try not to get your hopes up for one company

[jaunty storm]

I don’t have any dream companies. My goals lies beyond a simple job.

I’d leave the industry if I could reach my goals without it.

[livid yew]

my goal is just, don't be homeless

lol

you must have better defined goals

[jaunty storm]

Settle down with a friend. Be the crazy cat guy I always wanted to be. Complacency.

[wispy mason]

is any company even hiring international student new grads 😭

[tardy geode]

[bold pier]

Consultancies only for now

[wispy mason]

so giving up is the best option rn?

[bold pier]

Even that ain't a option, will take a lifetime to pay back tuition if go back home

[pliant frigate]

have you taken the vouch oa yet? I will take it trm.. what do they ask if u did?

[fallen fox]

i'm applying to it or software qa roles

doesn't pay as much but better than being unemployed

i've been getting a few interviews

[plush lily]

I've heard that switching to SWE from QA is kinda hard

[tardy geode]

he is international , for us right now maintaining status is more important that getting the desired job

can't even afford to do 2nd masters , FK covid fk these big tech who overhired fk this economy

people might say this is not the end but going back home , restarting again is just a set back

is paypal OA auto?

or after resume screen?

[bold pier]

Given they sent it to me it feels like auto

[tardy geode]

also i heard its locked to Java

you can't switch language

[fallen fox]

java

[bold pier]

Java best

[fallen fox]

do you guys fill this out in workday?

annoying af

[tiny cape]

Bro this is so annoying

I just type in some important ones but never the full list

[bold pier]

Can somebody open a PR on Simplify to autofill this as well

[tardy geode]

i fill it , ik its a pain

[tardy geode]

i am bad at it

idk how will i even do the OA

worst case skip it

[fallen fox]

chatgpt

[bold pier]

You a industry veteran with all that experience, be language agnostic! You can do it

[tardy geode]

doing prob solving and building stuff is different my friend

[tardy geode]

i don't trust it for OAs

i got one fucking OA and it ends up in Java , FML

@bold pier dude i have never done DS stuff in Java so i am like ass at it

[bold pier]

I mean first question was very easy, you will need very basic Java.
Second question I couldn't solve even with years of Java experience

[tardy geode]

oh i see

[civic magnet]

Got rejected from them

[west egret]

I do but I think simplify extension will prefill some of that for you on WD

[dusky lark]

Anyone did the process for Squarepoint?

[tardy geode]

i want to convert s = "Hello World" to s = ["Hello" , "World"] . ik how to do this in python but how about in Java?

oh cool

ty

says this 😦

@bold pier

help plis

[chilly burrow]

Because it's two different types

There is a difference between String[] and List

The error message clearly says this

[tardy geode]

got it

ty

[chilly burrow]

You should try Google before asking in chat

This is a v simple error

[grizzled bronze]

ChatGPT before Google for that

[bold pier]

Spoken like a Stackoverflow mod!

[tardy geode]

did chat gpt

it helped

[rain patio]

i prefer googling to chatgpt

[tardy geode]

na , chatgpt saves time

[rain patio]

shit's wrong a lot of the time for anything nontrivial

[tardy geode]

yeah it has some its and bits

[bold pier]

Due to muscle memory 9/10 times I find answer quicker with a google search vs typing out the question in chatGPT

[errant karma]

Whatever works men

[jovial latch]

I haven't exactly had a need to chatgpt for oa shit, been able to Google syntax n error messages, I always forget chat gpt exists

[tardy geode]

this wasn't an OA

i was just trying to do a LC prob in java

that i did before in python

[chilly burrow]

Y?

[bold pier]

Now do it in Rust

[chilly burrow]

Python is better for LC and OAs

[rain patio]

java 🤮

[chilly burrow]

I do it in Java too

But I think Python is better for 99% of ppl

[jovial latch]

I ain't got the time nor the care to not use python

[bold pier]

Java is great for Data Structures, almost everything available in core libs!

[chilly burrow]

Yeah that's 1 benefit

Tbh I just don't like Python that much

[grizzled bronze]

Java is good for Veeva

[rain patio]

i use c++ but i see the merit in using python for short coding interviews

[chilly burrow]

I would do it in Golang if the core lib is better

[jovial latch]

Python is the easiest to work with so I just roll with that

[bold pier]

Golang is nowhere as complete as Java in terms of data structures and inbuilt libraries

[jovial latch]

Easy enough to represent data structures

[chilly burrow]

Ye dats y i don't use it

But I lik da lang much more overall

[split igloo]

am I crazy that I am using Swift for LC?

[rain patio]

LC supports swift?

[brave forge]

do u like pain

[split igloo]

yeah

wait I thought its super handy doing LC with Swift, good syntax and type checking

[chilly burrow]

Ppl usually say Python is optimal

As it's syntax is v concise

[split igloo]

hm fair, well ngl I am using Swift to apply roles at Apple tho

[errant karma]

I have seen giga chads using Typescript

[jovial latch]

Ya it's easy and I'm not gonna make my life harder by not using python

[chilly burrow]

TypeScript is ez tho lol

[jovial latch]

Hate this shit enough already lol

[bold pier]

Python vs Java is mostly preference based, people who started coding with strongly typed languages like C or C++ would prefer Java. People who work on frontend more would prefer Python coz similarity to Javascript. People who leetcode in Swift need help.

[chilly burrow]

Idk y it woud mak u a gigachad

[rain patio]

i just kek reacted because im a hater

[split igloo]

how dareee

[rain patio]

if swift has good dsa libraries and syntax isn't too much then just use that

lc in c++ doesn't mean anything

[chilly burrow]

Does hackerrank support Swift?

[split igloo]

not sure

[errant karma]

Java or python the rest is show off

[chilly burrow]

Disagree

[split igloo]

prob assembly would be a flex

[rain patio]

whats your source

i do everything in c++ but that seems weird af

[errant karma]

Differentiate yourself from the herd

[rain patio]

wth lol

the closest thing ive heard to that is HRT recommending c++ bcz there were more spots

i think expertise in c++ is cool but hard to show that through LC problems

[errant karma]

I mean in Electrical Engineering we use C. I can use that In interviews

[rain patio]

i think my main qualm w python for LC is the lack of a heap structure

you have to do some sortedlist thing and think about the sign of what you're inserting iirc

can you specify the comparator

probably right

[errant karma]

Most leetcode solutions in python are very much straightforward hence why I use python

[scarlet python]

Guys, what should i expect from a final interview with hiring manager/engineering manager, its for 30 mins and inperson

[errant karma]

Because I learn from checking the discussion section on leetcode

[scarlet python]

c++ is chad language for leetcode

[rain patio]

@rain patio ok i think it's mostly this

from like a 2second glimpse of docs i think it's just assumed to be a minheap

[errant karma]

I think most schools use Java for DSA. I could be wrong though

[bold pier]

I learnt DSA in C

[rain patio]

yeah my gripe is you need to think about the sign of what you're inserting

mb on the python not having a heap- im misinformed/don't do much python

[errant karma]

I self taught myself DSA and now I am taking it months after I got a job

[rain patio]

wot

[errant karma]

Getting a SWE role as an Electrical Engineering student requires you to learn DSA on your own

[rain patio]

but wdym you're taking it now

[errant karma]

I am trying to get a minor in CS and I need the class

[rain patio]

i meant if you use a tuple don't you have to do something like (a,-b,c)? to get min for a,c but max for b

[rain patio]

oh i thought you graduated already lol

[errant karma]

Nope I am graduating next month

[rain patio]

meh i prefer having the sorting behavior tied to the heap

instead of the objects

[jovial latch]

i can use python for OA shit cause i know java n c/c++ n other shit, like yea i could do that shit in c but im just wasting my own god damn time

if you can solve a problem in python you can probably fucking solve it in java or c++, its just more tedious and a waste of time

the actual god damn approach is what matters

[tardy geode]

i did it in assembly

Rust is too based

[gleaming fable]

C++ could be worth it if the role is low-level

also if you're a mobile eng its not too bad doing stuff in kotlin/swift

[jovial latch]

defense contractors love c++ cause they pretty much primiarily use that shit

though as far as i know, if companies are testing for a certain language, they ask you that during a live interview, arent oa's just automatic filters

[brave forge]

C++ for game dev 😍

[cloud zinc]

If you get into an interview for a position that uses a language you're unfamiliar with, can you still pull through by expressing a desire to learn said language by using another programming language as a reference?

for example: saying something along the lines of "I don't have much experience in C#, but I can pick up the language easily with my background in Java" or something like that

[brave forge]

that happened to me in an interview

but then I also failed in my other language of choice

😭

[jovial latch]

few do ye, but i mean then ill just do it in that language

whatever

they could just ask you oop concepts lol

actually thats usually what happens

[lone copper]

DSA is a required class for EE lol

you can't pass EE without having decent software knowledge unless you are cheating labs/getting carried

[errant karma]

I must be going to a fake school

[lone copper]

yeah, if it's not recognized by PEO then technically it's not real engineering

at least in Canada

idk about outside of that

[errant karma]

Oooh you are from canada

[lone copper]

but we have a ton of coding courses required and then more optional ones you can take as electives

so you do end up doing a lot of coding it's just not the main focus mostly just used as a tool

[errant karma]

OOP was required and intro to C

[lone copper]

I see

we had a 2nd year required course that was like that and then I think another 2 pure programming courses in 1-2nd year then the rest of software courses were like embedded or hardware oriented

i guess it different for USA im guessing u are usa?

I think maybe it might be easier to just get a job that is more hardware focused though it's more stable from what ive seen, at least that's what I am trying to do

[atomic oxide]

https://careers.united.com/us/en/job/SFO00004294/Aircraft-Maintenance-Technician-A-P-50k-to-75k-Sign-on-Based-on-Experience-Up-to-41-51per-hour

I think this pays more year 1 than most CS jobs hiring right now holy cow

Screw looking for CS jobs - I'm gonna go work for United for a year until the economy recovers 😂

[lone copper]

there's a lot of things that pay more than CS XD

if you keep swapping industry every time you see a higher paying job you will be jumping around every day

[grizzled bronze]

Next week is gonna be a good one

[fathom dagger]

Bruh

Epic systems OA

What in the actual fuck was that

It's insane

If they reject me after sitting on my butt for 4 hours

[tardy geode]

for topological sort will i have to memorise this algo?

[swift bobcat]

Neetcode?

[swift bobcat]

Its basically just dfs with some slight modification

[tardy geode]

can i replace this

adj = {}
for i in range(1,n+1):
  adj[i]=[]
for src, dst in edges:
  adj[src].append(dst)

by this

adj = {i:[] for i in range(1,n+1}
for src, dst in edges:
  adj[src].append(dst)

[tardy geode]

yeah

[swift bobcat]

Yes this works

[tardy geode]

ty

[swift bobcat]

You can also use a defaultdict to avoid initializing each node in the adj list

[tardy geode]

i see , btw topological sort can only be applied to DAG's?

or any graphs

[swift bobcat]

It needs to be directed

[tardy geode]

gotcha

ty brother

[swift bobcat]

If theres a cycle then theres no topological sorting

So u can use the toposort to detect cycles too

[tardy geode]

got it

i c ic

[swift bobcat]

This example only works for acyclical graphs

Sometimes thats not guranteed

So u might have to maintain a path set as well as a seen set

[stray imp]

Anyone know of any good grad schools in Canada still open for admissions this fall

[prime palm]

Ew this sucks

I like the iterative way of doing topological sort

It's called khan's algo or something

Much better than doing DFS way

[rain patio]

khans is fire

[prime palm]

You can't always do this

It won't catch nodes that don't have edges

Eg stand-alone nodes

For some scenarios you need to know that

It's better to instantiate i : [] if you know the number of nodes in the graph

[swift bobcat]

If you know the number of nodes in the graph you’ll have to run a for loop N times anyways

Calling the dfs function

If its an arbitrary number of nodes then yeah i guess iterating and initializing might be more useful cuz that way u can find the total set of nodes

[prime palm]

I use an iterative version ig

Though you make a good point

Thank you for showing me the errors of my way, and providing me new intellect

Amen

[swift bobcat]

Fair enough, i dont really know that version but ill check it out

🙏🙏

[prime palm]

I graduated college Dec 2022 and I'm working fulltime in June 2023

Wdym by "those who started this January"

Like job searching?

[tardy geode]

you didn't have to "ew" it 💀

[tardy geode]

can you post the snippet here , maybe i will find it helpful

i hate recursion

[prime palm]

What I more do meant was, the variation of topo sort that's iterative is much easier to debug + faster because there's so recursive overhead

class Solution:
    def canFinish(self, numCourses: int, prerequisites: List[List[int]]) -> bool:
        graph = { i : [] for i in range(numCourses) }
        indegree = { i : 0 for i in range(numCourses) }
        
        for dest, src in prerequisites:
            graph[src].append(dest)
            indegree[dest] += 1
        
        queue = deque()
        
        for key in indegree:
            if indegree[key] == 0:
                queue.append(key)
        
        seen = set()
        
        while queue:
            node = queue.popleft()
            seen.add(node)
            
            for neighbour in graph[node]:
                indegree[neighbour] -= 1
                
                if indegree[neighbour] == 0:
                    queue.append(neighbour)
        
        return len(seen) == numCourses

@tardy geode

This is how I write topological sort

[fallen fox]

what is this lmao

[fossil jewel]

i should start tbh

[rain patio]

didnt you just start

[fossil jewel]

leetcode? nope.

[rain patio]

work

oreo the job hopper

el oreo more like l oreo

[fossil jewel]

yep

might be there for a year or two

year is a must to keep my sign on

[fallen fox]

how do you switch back to the new leetcode ui

google isn't helping

[grizzled bronze]

Have you tried ChatGPT?

[fallen fox]

new ui came out last year i think

chatgpt stops at 2021

[rain patio]

you mean switch back to the old UI?

[fallen fox]

i switched back to the old ui

now i want to go back

[rain patio]

wait how did you get the old one

[rugged spindle]

yeah how?

[rain patio]

oh nvm its in profile

theres an option to revert

[fallen fox]

found the switch

[fossil jewel]

[fossil jewel]

i like the new one tho

[rain patio]

i like the old one

fewer clicks to write test cases

it looks a little off though

[fossil jewel]

hmm

[tardy geode]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/981754288508375150/1023056734664790026/jammies.gif

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1004741311175327824/1082505770580574269/748584390900318248.gif

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/972617781910597682/1083918812010786846/20230220_002602_1.gif

[fallen fox]

started lc after a 3 month break

cant solve two sum

[tardy geode]

[tardy geode]

@pulsar mural

[daring gazelle]

written by a sociopath

[tawdry cypress]

explain lol

/ link to repo?

[chilly burrow]

I snack on Node.js 😋

[rain patio]

that feedback is so vio

why not just call him/her ugly too

might as well

[onyx sparrow]

@novel rain so basically only EU guys can use it to get feedback?

[agile niche]

Any KP semifinalists got contacted by a recruiter so far?

[prime palm]

Is it too late to apply for KP fellowship lol

[agile niche]

Ya sorry

[sleek owl]

Are LinkedIn posts effective?

[swift falcon]

has anyone gone to university career center networking events and have it directly lead to getting hired or is it the equivalent of just getting a generic phone screen?

[pine topaz]

👋 Morning guys, did thee economy collapse yet

[swift falcon]

I searched online for google and it said no

[grizzled bronze]

Revature still wants to connect with me on LinkedIn

[tardy geode]

its a scam

like a big scam

[fossil jewel]

tf

[tardy geode]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/981754288508375150/1081810437064114256/4x.gif

[fallen fox]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/981754288508375150/1081810437064114256/4x.gif

[vagrant star]

havent checked this server in a minute, hows the job market for new grads

[prime palm]

fucking awful

lol

[clear bear]

Anyone know what to expect from the hiring manager interview with Veeva? The interview after the initial screening + OA?

[prime palm]

just don't say you worked at Facebook

[clear bear]

that's fine, i havent lmaoo 💀 🥹

[prime palm]

then you passed gg

[jaunty storm]

That’s the only way I got offers.

[swift falcon]

oh dayum fr?

what was it like?

just bringing resume and interviews or sth?

[jaunty storm]

All I know is to find any way to see a recruiter face-to-face. It’s the fastest pipeline to a job.

[swift falcon]

hmmm 🤔 interesting

[fallen fox]

career fairs are cracked

[swift falcon]

bruh 2 years I been sleepin on these?! ffs

[small mountain]

has having a linkedin account ever done any of you any good?

[tardy geode]

i am stressed

struggling at LC , not getting interviews , graduating in a month . My dream's looking bleak .

[tardy geode]

its ass

if you are international its worse

[swift falcon]

doesn't feel like it

[lunar hatch]

Anyone done maven securities oa for c++?

[west egret]

Personally, no. It feels more like you go to chat with them about the company and they just tell you to apply online anyways.

[swift falcon]

ok this is what I always assumed it would be like

[west egret]

YMMV

[fallen fox]

I got an interview for a 200k sofi new grad role at my career fair, made it to the final rounds before getting rejected. This was last Fall when FAANG wasn't hiring and was probably the ONLY way I could make 200k in this economic climate