2023_grads

[teal jackal]

New England is the based god of them all

Tbh I always considered Maryland and Delaware midatlantic

rather than south

[rain patio]

@late kestrel

@late kestrel

[lone rapids]

Rip he is coming for u

[rain patio]

Explain

Istg

[late kestrel]

explain what

[rain patio]

I dunno how

How u found

My ig

[late kestrel]

i told u

[rain patio]

[late kestrel]

great guess

[rain patio]

Told what

What guess

That’s impossible to guess

[late kestrel]

i mean theres a non 0 chance

[rain patio]

Theres no way cuz im anon

On discord

Never shared linkedin or anything

@livid yew

I need answers

[late kestrel]

tbf u do share stuff

theyre just lies

[rain patio]

I mean ye its lies but u can find real me with that info

[late kestrel]

i triangulated ur position

hacked ur ip

[west egret]

the real answer

he asked bumbee

[rain patio]

Im confused beyond belief

[late kestrel]

funny thing is

i never sent a request

ig someone requested at the same time i said i did

[jaunty basalt]

[rain patio]

I literally see ur req rn

@jaunty basalt explain

[jaunty basalt]

How tf would I know

Ok cheddy send me request

Rn

[late kestrel]

u uh

[rain patio]

Thats so sus

[late kestrel]

i cant

[rain patio]

I need answer

Unless someone willingly gave my info in ur dms(which is a dick move)

I dont see

How u could find me

[late kestrel]

it was organic i promise

[rain patio]

That doesn’t explain anything

[jaunty basalt]

Yeah it’s sus

[late kestrel]

ok class time ttyl

[rain patio]

Fuck you cheddy

I need answers

[lone rapids]

Are you a girl?

[vagrant escarp]

Cheddy is a professional stalker

[rain patio]

she/her

Btw

[dawn sequoia]

incoming DMs

[lone rapids]

Well more creepy then

Cheddy on harassment list lol

[vagrant escarp]

@rain patio found ur insta too

[lone rapids]

😂

[vagrant escarp]

0 posts private insta

[lone rapids]

Im curious too now

[late kestrel]

lmaoooo nah

[lone rapids]

How u guys doing this

[late kestrel]

its all just a joke

[lone rapids]

Yea I figured

[vagrant escarp]

I’m a professional hacker

[rain patio]

Extremely sus

[jovial latch]

the secret is to not have insta

[late kestrel]

it wasnt even me

[jovial latch]

also y'all were talking bout epic earlier in this thread, they were at my career fair, and my god they spent so much time talking how great their campus is lmao i could fuckin tell they're the kinda people who wanted in person workers to relocate to the middle of nowhere

i dont get it honestly, is it so hard to pay less tc and give remote work

youd have a lot more interest

dumbass management

you were at a career fair at my college which is in NJ you want me to move to fuckin Wisconsin

talk about all the great benefits and remote work isnt one of em LMAO

[vagrant escarp]

i personally don't see that as a big deal especially in this climate

its not like we got much of a choice

if a place is offering 6figs working for anywhere id be down

[jovial latch]

its for my mental health, id be very miserable if i had to give up my living situation

not to mention the stress of relocation

especially when there are a buncha companies that will let you work remotely

still, suppose it would make good neogitation material

[vagrant escarp]

yeah the ones that won't hire NGs

theres way too many NGs rn even if they do hire 1 or 2 theres still like 400 sittin there

[chilly burrow]

i dont wanna sound rude, but do you have an offer from any of those companies?

[jovial latch]

well remotely or are in the nyc area rather

[chilly burrow]

i feel like companies are moving away from the remote modle

[jovial latch]

something may happen

[vagrant escarp]

yeah most of the companies i talk to are hybrid atm

with like at least 1-2 days in office per week

[jovial latch]

well hybrid in nyc is fine, my mental health is going to suffer immensely if i have to give up my living situation rn

[vagrant escarp]

if u end up not getting remote offers or offers in NY would u rather stay unemployed or relocate?

[jovial latch]

we'll see what happens

anxious times

really, really anxious times

[vagrant escarp]

i think a good skill in life is also be good at adapting

[jovial latch]

yea no shit

[vagrant escarp]

we all would prefer if we could work from where u are atm

[jovial latch]

there are....3 companies i have a chance in that are in the nyc area

[vagrant escarp]

yeah u got this dude!

[jovial latch]

i dont know what kinda weed the people at c1 are smoking but they've taken over a month for mldp people and we're all still fucking waiting

some really good weed

[vagrant escarp]

nyc is expensive too

[jovial latch]

and yes i did email them c1 is still deciding lol

doi

ill tell you how shits going in like a month i got like, 3...(hopefully 4 if the people at c1 stop smoking pot) lined up

im really confident in one of them

but i mean, ive been confident before

and now im just rambling

that interview is also 2 weeks away lol

i suppose it stings more given that my roommates both have offers that let them work remotely

return offers too, and the companies i fucking interned at wanted to give me full time offers but could not for different reasons

so ive been pissed and frustrated the last couple of months

[vagrant escarp]

yeah i think its just unhealthy to compare urself with others

gotta work with whatever situation u got

its always easy to find someone who's doing better or worse than u

[jovial latch]

im asian so you can blame my parents for that one

[vagrant escarp]

i am too bro

[jovial latch]

i also have a masters degree and they dont lol

[vagrant escarp]

since we are software engineers, try to think logically, if comparing urself to others is healthy or not

and if it isnt try to remove the emotion from it

[jovial latch]

ya no shit lol

[mystic scaffold]

can anyone tell me about TDI graduate program at Deutsche bank ?

[grizzled bronze]

I wouldn't get my hopes up, just keep applying to other places

[vagrant escarp]

yeah thats also another thing im sure a lot of people learned recently, gotta always keep options open for alternate plans, otherwise ur gonna hit the ground super hard if a company just decides they want to rescind your offer or ghost u

[jovial latch]

I would think that they'd be interested in a guy that has a master's in machine learning for a role literally about machine learning, I'm interviewing with 3 other companies anyways

[nova reef]

is pinterest still 100% remote

for entry level ppl

anyone knows?

[rigid quail]

the market doesn’t make sense right now, you can be an ML expert if there’s no budget then there’s no budget

[nova reef]

ML and DS is just icing on the cake to most companies

[grizzled bronze]

There's a lot more factors to it though (target universities and the like), and a lot more candidates. Good to see you have other companies interviewing too 👍

[jovial latch]

The posting mentioned a salary of 136k so you know I'd hope budget ain't an issue
Either way we'll just fuckin see with time 🙃

Pain

[tardy geode]

@tender sluice revise your resume ig

[grizzled bronze]

Yeah waiting sucks, especially when some companies just ghost

[jovial latch]

last couple of weeks ive gotten into the habit of emailing my c1 recruiter every monday lol

[chilly burrow]

@tender sluice you don't have to put resume reject (frik)

[jovial latch]

maybe next monday'll be different

[chilly burrow]

Every time

[grizzled bronze]

Nah, I like it. Keep doing it @tender sluice !

It keeps the process channel more interesting

[chilly burrow]

🤷‍♂️

[rain patio]

@tender sluice every time you get rejected you should add an extra frik

[livid yew]

I was pinged

@rain patio oh I have you on LI

[rain patio]

I have ur mom on tinder

[teal jackal]

yup. remote work as we know it is going to crumble now that amazon pulled the plug on it

[livid yew]

She is post menopause so sure buddy

Trooper tho, raised 3 kids

[teal jackal]

i was pregnant last year

that shit was wild

[livid yew]

I mean turns uhhh I think

59 this year

Or something

Not that old

[teal jackal]

how old is your dad

my dad is 61

[livid yew]

Dad is 60

Mom is 57

Mf I broke a door today

Yanked it open, glass shattered everywhere

[late kestrel]

u too strong

lay off the gym

[livid yew]

I don't gym

I was just in a rush

[late kestrel]

no pics?

[grizzled bronze]

All those Comcast installations 💪

[livid yew]

Just yeeted that fucker open

How? Why?

Facilities just installed a new door lol

[rain patio]

thatd be funny

[livid yew]

Yeah

You are brown, not black

Big difference

Really?

[grizzled bronze]

We're waiting on 23andme to confirm

3-4 weeks

[livid yew]

So we working with 8inches?

[vagrant escarp]

Double down and say it

[rain patio]

yea say it

[livid yew]

My neighbor

Nig

[late kestrel]

[rain patio]

[livid yew]

[late kestrel]

what is going on get these mf fts outta here

[livid yew]

[rain patio]

im 2023

how goes the job hunt guys

[livid yew]

Ok chill, it's not woke-2020 anymore

Get a grip

[vagrant escarp]

2 good prospects atm

Epic and asus

[livid yew]

[late kestrel]

stfu feline crate

[livid yew]

[rain patio]

nice, you can pet cows in wisconsin maybe

Dont be racist here just because kirb left

I will snitch

[livid yew]

Fine I'll be racist in other server

[late kestrel]

im racist against fts

gtfo dirty fts

[tender sluice]

bro IDK WHATS GOING ON I JUST GET REJECTS BROOO

[vagrant escarp]

anyone watch the ufc?

cant wait for jon jones to fight

hell yeah lol

https://tenor.com/view/jon-jones-spinning-elbow-fight-mma-gif-7272357

his knee kicks and twisting elbows are insane lol

[hasty birch]

https://open.substack.com/pub/pragmaticengineer/p/the-job-market-for-new-grads-worse?r=1fl8ap&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post

[night marsh]

pretty tough ngl

I've gotten more rejections this week than I've seen openings combined

Trying to keep head up but it's such a monumental task at this point. I'm at an absolute crossroads rn because while I'm in a Master's program, I'm burning out academically and no longer enjoying going to classes, so I don't want to continue it after my undergrad(it's a dual program). On the other hand, jobs are drying up and the few interviews I'm getting, I'm either not hearing back from or dealing with sus processes.

Honestly highly debating whether I should just take a gap semester after my undergrad and reapply next szn

[dawn sequoia]

have you considered stopping the swe job hunt to take that off your to-do list and just focus on school til you finish the masters?

you can use school to hide from the bad job market and maybe after you get masters itll be a better market, but if not, then at least youd have an ms to look more competitive

if you need money in the summer you can take a break from cs/swe and all this and get a more laid back job in retail/cashier/restaurant/fastfood etc or vacation somewhere for a lil before going back to school to refresh

[rigid quail]

honestly waiting out the horrible szn is an underrated strat but it’s very difficult if you’re a competitive person

[vagrant escarp]

yeah just gotta keep ur head up and keep going brother

eventually u'll get a place that'll want u

just will take time

[dawn sequoia]

i graduated in june 2022 and just applied in dec for grad programs in the fall to avoid the market myself to come back when it's assumably in a better spot or at least i have a higher degree to set myself apart. just waiting on admissions/rejections

[vagrant escarp]

@dawn sequoia oh dang u've been applying since june?

[dawn sequoia]

it's a good time to work on improving skills (technical and soft skills)

[dawn sequoia]

[vagrant escarp]

damn bro

[dawn sequoia]

i started applying in july/august

[vagrant escarp]

im sure u might already be doing this, but just constantly be improving ur resume and technical interview skills

ive been constantly changing my resume and recently have been getting more responses

[dawn sequoia]

yeah i have been, slowly, but it's hard to do that for like 8 months straight so im on and off

[vagrant escarp]

im sure its part luck and part due to the resume changes

[dawn sequoia]

yeah

[vagrant escarp]

ye it can be demoralizing

[dawn sequoia]

extremely

[vagrant escarp]

what state u live at?

[dawn sequoia]

CA

[vagrant escarp]

oh dang nice

tech hub

[dawn sequoia]

yeah not far from the bay but im fine with relocating anywhere at this point

hbu

[vagrant escarp]

WA

also tech hub, but having trouble finding jobs here for a NG

[dawn sequoia]

id like a job a seattle tbh.. check it out for a year or two

[vagrant escarp]

yeah no income tax

and pay is comprable to CA

[dawn sequoia]

have some good coffee too

yessir

i had final round interviews with microsoft in seattle last spring but got rejected

that woulda been so nice to get

[vagrant escarp]

oh dang...

yeah that would've been so nice

[dawn sequoia]

then probably be one of the ppl laid off since id still be new but id rather be a recent layoff than unemployed the whole time

[vagrant escarp]

are u at least nasty at leetcode now?

[dawn sequoia]

no not at all

[vagrant escarp]

having been in the job market for 8 months

[dawn sequoia]

i should be

but tbh LC drains my mental health so much

[vagrant escarp]

go through all the blind75s

[dawn sequoia]

i hate it so much

[vagrant escarp]

in life we gotta do things that we don't like

[dawn sequoia]

correct

[vagrant escarp]

unfortuantely LC is a huge part of the interview process

so might as well get good at it

[dawn sequoia]

im trying to figure ways to make it more enjoyable

like teaching it in a blog

or i tried live streaming a few problems as i did them

that was more bearable

[vagrant escarp]

yeah NeetCode, the guy that does his videos, he was doing his videos as he was learning

[dawn sequoia]

yeah

[vagrant escarp]

practicing explaining it

[teal jackal]

THISSSS

ISSSS

SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[night marsh]

It's like I'm getting burnt out from school and studying itself

[dawn sequoia]

i see. yeah i felt that at the end of my bs too

[vagrant escarp]

stay strong brother

[night marsh]

I'm at the point where like if I push myself any further, I'll start getting in an awful mental space and I don't want to do that consistently

[dawn sequoia]

but a summer break full of nothing, helps a lot tbh

[teal jackal]

i think having a gap to do nothing is nice

[dawn sequoia]

after a few months i was ready to get back to doing something

[teal jackal]

gives you time to recuperate and think

and prep

[night marsh]

I've been doing that for awhile. I'm fairly disciplined when it comes to my master's but the first semester was where I realized my mental state wasn't good at all and hasn't been in awhile

[vagrant escarp]

yeah use this time of unemployment to build some good habits

[night marsh]

I have an internship in the summer (as I originally planned to do my masters)

[vagrant escarp]

working out, eating healthy, and then coming home to do the job search process

[night marsh]

and I was planning to use the fall afterwards and try to go back to my home country one last time before working FT

[vagrant escarp]

will have a positive effect on your confidence and mental health

[night marsh]

It definitely does; and I don't mean that it doesn't. But I sometimes find myself wondering what is wrong if I need to do it frequently

[dawn sequoia]

it's never wrong to put your health first

no matter how frequently

we all work at different paces. you might need a few months to get to a better spot, but i may need 6 months yk

or more

[timber rock]

someone got a job for me? job please

[dawn sequoia]

this might help too
https://psyche.co/guides/how-to-rest-well-and-enjoy-a-more-creative-sustainable-life

some article i found a while ago

[vagrant escarp]

[swift bobcat]

Did anyone get an email from flexport w the subject line “Update on your upcoming interviews with Flexport” ?

[dawn sequoia]

yeah

[night marsh]

Def not. I've been neglecting it for awhile I feel. I haven't been the best person in childhood I recently realized (in turn to other bad friendships and such), and that's kinda messed up a lot of relationships, both personally and professionally due to issues from that. I've been putting it on the backburner for a long time and I think this last semester, it's started to spill over.
My parents have normally been pretty supportive and I'm thankful for that. But I'm also worried they'll be super disappointed if their son decides to stop his master's after undergrad altogether.
I dunno, I'm maybe overthinking it

[night marsh]

In either case, I do appreciate the advice

[dawn sequoia]

even tho i never had an interview.. just an application

[vagrant escarp]

[night marsh]

Thanks dude, I'll take a look at that

[swift bobcat]

Yeah same here

Sus

[night marsh]

I submitted a few apps but I didn't get an email like that

[sour spindle]

What is the update that they have provided? Its been three weeks since i finished final interview and have not received any reponse, neither a reject nor any update about next things.

[swift bobcat]

They basically sent an email saying the roles been filled and upcoming interviews are cancelled but they never even got back to me after i applied

[grizzled bronze]

You should be doing your Masters only if you want it, not for your parents

[dawn sequoia]

i was in a similar spot with my parents about not applying to grad school directly after undergrad. they didnt take the news as easily as i wanted bc i was telling them my goal was phd for a long time and nothing about industry. so ive been explaining to them more about why i want a job (money and break from school and real exp etc) instead of grad school. it helped. basically they just want to know and understand what youre doing and why. then theyll trust a little more that youre not acting on a whim or going down a sus path by switching plans and theres nothing wrong with switching plans

[sour spindle]

Ah I see. As far as I know, the hr department is no longer responding to any email. I emailed twice asking about the feedback about my final interview but no response.

[swift bobcat]

Maybe they have offers out and ur waitlisted rn?

[dawn sequoia]

and rn they are more supportive than before just to help me get something whether it's a grad school admission bc i applied this cycle or a job

[sour spindle]

It might be the case.

[night marsh]

def fs. I should probably rephrase; it's because I've wanted to do a master's for so long and when I finally do it, I realize it's not what I was looking for right outta undergrad

[dawn sequoia]

also some therapy and self improvement books might help you process your own emotions better

[livid yew]

@pulsar mural

[night marsh]

That's a good way of putting it down. I'm trying to say something similar (break from school, get real experience, etc). I've been consulting friends and family friends alike on this, and so far all of them have been fairly supportive of it. May take a little more convincing to my parents tho

[dawn sequoia]

i recently discovered the book side of instagram and it's great. i can recommend a few books (havent read them but they seem highly recommended)

[livid yew]

CS booksM

?

I can't do books

[night marsh]

Thanks dude; I'd definitely love to read them.
I write books myself and it's been helping significantly through my college time haha

[rain patio]

let me guess-
pragmatic programmer
ddia
clean architecture
...

[dawn sequoia]

in the end you have to do what you think is best for you and start to live your own life. it's hard to do at first (still struggling with that) bc you have to find a balance so you dont cut your parents out while trying to path your own path

[livid yew]

I barely learned from CS books during college

[night marsh]

Yeah you're right. Definitely helps putting that into perspective.

[dawn sequoia]

oh sick! what do you write?

i recently added these to my reading list just looking to buy them from a bookstore to support mom and pop shops

when youre ready, this is how you heal
the mountain is you

both books by brianna west

the subtle art of not giving a f by mark manson was good too. i think i only got halfway but i got the gist from that

i started and finished the alchemist yesterday.. incredible read omg perfect for new grads in this market about finding your path and following your heart

im writing a lil blog post summary on it rn

[severe pendant]

Anyone interviewed with Candid Health?

Couldn’t find any info about them

[night marsh]

I heard Alchemist was really great, but haven't read it yet. I'll take a look at that and the other ones, thank you!

I write Urban Fantasy; my current project is an action-drama thriller set in Southeast Asia

[dawn sequoia]

definitely put that on the top of your list rn. it's like 160 pages. def readable in like a day or two

[naive chasm]

I've yet to hear back from them I applied like a week ago

New grad/entry level roles are so damn hard to find

So disheartening

[dawn sequoia]

i hope you found something helpful in this conversation

nice to talk with someone in a similar position

ping anytime!

[night marsh]

Thanks dude. Very thankful for the advice you've given, as well as the other folks

[dawn sequoia]

ofc np 🫶

[severe pendant]

I missed the interview due to internet issue. Was like 10 mins late cause couldn’t connect to internet. It’s for recruiter interview. I guess I messed up. I emailed the recruiter and he’s not replying 😭😭

[severe pendant]

How was their interview difficulties

[naive chasm]

I have yet to hear back from them

[naive chasm]

That's ass sorry to hear that

I'm sure he'll respond how long ago was that?

[outer radish]

anyone keep getting take homes or full programming apps during interviews

its like im practicing all this lc and now yo uwant me to build out a full react or oop app in like 1 1/2 hours

[livid yew]

OOP in 1.5 hours

Could be doable

Depending on what endpoints and stuff you need

[severe pendant]

It was an hour ago.

[naive chasm]

I'm sure s/he'll get back to you

[outer radish]

yeah for sure but its like im juiced on lc

[severe pendant]

Thanks bro! I hope u will nail the interview!!!

[livid yew]

I am the complete opposite

what if

you do the LC part, and I do the OOP part

pair interview?

[outer radish]

rinse and repeat and we split the earnings from our two jobs?

match made in heaven, i'd love that

[livid yew]

are u actually a Staff Eng at wendys

[vagrant escarp]

i cant wait....

to have a job

one day...

[outer radish]

yeah i came up with the algorithm to perfect the best nuggies for 2.99 canadian

disclaimer: best nuggies for 2.99 but not best nuggies

[vagrant escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/bardmp4-bard-bard-league-bard-league-of-legends-bard-league-of-gif-21899709

[jovial latch]

google shitting themselves rn

[neon perch]

Yo is ramp new grad software eng front end worth it?

Or is it just a waste of time trying to solve that challenge

[graceful crown]

you can find the solution on codesandbox just google it

i say just do it since the solution is already available

[quartz snow]

bruh the company i interned at gave me a return offer then had layoffs 1 month into me working there

thought i caught a lucky break but guessn ot

[vagrant escarp]

u were one of the layoffs?

[quartz snow]

yea

i high key suck at leetcode and got hella lucky with the offer so its been tough getting back into things idk

[vagrant escarp]

im feeling super optimistic rn

hopefully my current leads end up panning out

[vagrant escarp]

i just watch the video if i don't know how to do it

and eventually once you've seen enough, it becomes easier to spot patterns

[quartz snow]

yo hope ur stuff goes well

yea i been attempting 1-2 questions per day then watching a video if i can't solve if after a while

[vagrant escarp]

yeah thats what i tried to do when i first started grinding leetcode, but i noticed that way is much more tiring

if i cant think of a solution in 5 minutes now, i just go straight to youtube lol

if its something u've never seen before, it'll be too time consuming to really sit there and come up with the solution urself, and it may not even be the most efficient answer

[quartz snow]

thats fair

i guess a lot of it is just memorizing in the end

[vagrant escarp]

but like most things, thats how u learn

you learn the algorithms from the videos and then if u see a similar problem in the future u have a better idea how to do it

like some of the popular methods like for linkedlist problems, without watching videos of people using tricks like the dummy nodes or fast/slow pointers, it'd be almost impossible to just pull that out of ur ass if u've never seen it done before

[quartz snow]

yea that makes sense

[vagrant escarp]

id say its only "bad" if you are directly memorizing the code

if you take the time to understand how it works, it generally will help u for ur future problems

[quartz snow]

yea when i watch the video i at least try and understand how it works

leaves a bad taste otherwise

[tardy geode]

same kinda

[vagrant escarp]

ye and it feels really rewarding after u get use to the patterns and when u do a medium problem u've never seen before, u can do it in like 5 minutes because you know the trick to it

and once u have LC mastered, the next skill is to act as if you've never seen the problem before in actual interviews

and talk through all the possible brute force solutions

and talk about trade offs and random bull shit

[quartz snow]

how many apps do you guys send out a day? i'm sending like 5 on average and idk if that's enough

[whole berry]

depends on what positions you find

if i find 7 one day i do 7, if i find 2 the next im doing 2

[vagrant escarp]

today i havn't yet, but i usually do it later at night and some days ill just go to page 10 on the job boards

[whole berry]

fridays are scour the crumbs day for me

[vagrant escarp]

as many as u can before u end up getting bored

[whole berry]

page 10-20 on fridays

[vagrant escarp]

find the best version of ur resume and its just a numbers game from that point on

[whole berry]

max page 3 every day

[vagrant escarp]

if u dont hear any responses, u'll prob have to work on ur resume

my resume now compared to when i first started is drastically different

[quartz snow]

yea i've only been applying for like 2 weeks and havent heard much yet which is to be expected ig

[vagrant escarp]

ye bro keep it goin

i think as long as ur somewhat consistently applying and improving ur resume u'll eventually start hearing back

and if that doesnt work then try to reach out to as many people as u can on linkedin

[quartz snow]

yea fosho

got hella sad when i got laid off but im starting to get the ball rollin

[whole berry]

remember, its not your fault you got laid off

so dont take it out on yourself

blame capitalism

[naive chasm]

wtf

[vagrant escarp]

hm thats weird

[pure mauve]

Shit company don’t interview there

[naive chasm]

I am down horrendous

It's just a punch in the gut

Even if it's a bad company

[vagrant escarp]

lol i wouldn't really take that into account tbh

im getting rejected from no name companies for junior positions but somehow managed to get a response from asus and epic systems

i think its just a combination of luck depending on who views ur resume

[naive chasm]

I really think it is just luck

Like 95% of it

[vagrant escarp]

yeah u for sure still need a good resume tho

[naive chasm]

I have a solid resume, solid exp, hardly any replies just a shit market rn

[vagrant escarp]

with some solid description on ur experience and projects

[naive chasm]

I can send you my resume if you care to look at it

[vagrant escarp]

and after that its just a numbers game and gotta make sure u can perform if someone does reach out

[naive chasm]

Idk why I'm hearing like nada back

Just unfortunate ig

[vagrant escarp]

u got this man! keep goin

when'd u graduate btw?

[naive chasm]

May 2022 lol

[vagrant escarp]

ooooof

thats a long time ago lol

[naive chasm]

Took a bit of a break post grad, then current job recession hit

Yeah

I had interned as a swe every summer since I was a sophomore in hs and was like I can take a few months before starting

Just so unlucky

[vagrant escarp]

ah yeah that kinda sucks

maybe try reaching out to some of ur old internship connections and seeing if any of them will hire u back

[naive chasm]

One of them I'd have to move where I don't want to if I wanted to return there, the other only has them in trash locations

[night marsh]

I think with that in mind though you should still reach out to your old connections

Assuming they're better than this company

[naive chasm]

I definitely reach out to them all

[night marsh]

Location is important, yes, but so is getting a job in this market

And this market is ROUGH rn

[vagrant escarp]

yeah in this economic climate, u gotta just get a job

and if u really are unhappy with it, u can keep applying

[night marsh]

^^

[naive chasm]

I'm in NY and worked remote at GE for my last internship, the only role they have available is in Waukesha, WI and they have no relocation lmao

[vagrant escarp]

but at least have something u can fall back on

relocating isnt that bad, u can always go back after a year or 2

[naive chasm]

I'm reaching out to people to try and find something to do contract based or anything atm I can't just take any job

[vagrant escarp]

gotta just get the experience and wait out the tech winter

[night marsh]

I mean you should take it still. It's close to Milwaukee which may not be in NY, but GM is a great company regardless

unless it's not the work that you want to do

[naive chasm]

I'll reach back out to my GE hiring manager in any case

I already did but will follow back up

[night marsh]

Usually they'll expedite or rehire from what I've heard.
(can't speak much on whether that's confirmed since I'm trying to do that with my original team rn but doesnt hurt to try)

[naive chasm]

Yeah that's definitely the case, I did not enjoy what I worked on at GE but money is money plus it's a household name

We'll see

[night marsh]

Understandable. I'd recommend reaching out anyhow

[willow marsh]

When do you apply to jobs like Google or FAANG? Like for 2024 would you apply in august 2023? What is timeline like

[chilly burrow]

Yes you would apply in August~September

[willow marsh]

Bet thanks

[serene nymph]

anyone heard from snap up?

[chilly burrow]

https://linusmediagroup.com/ft-junior-software-developer-application

^ Canada New Grad Position

[grizzled bronze]

Use ChatGPT for cover letter

[whole berry]

yup

been using that

keep the tab open and just modify the job description to recreate using the job details

@chilly burrow where ru working rn

[chilly burrow]

student

[whole berry]

oh wow

thanks for always linking new grad apps

actually goated

[chilly burrow]

np 👍

[vagrant escarp]

aight..just hit my application quota for today

applied to like 30 places lol

[rain patio]

pump it up

150-200 /day

[vagrant escarp]

ye rookie numbers ik

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-double-thumbs-up-like-agreed-yup-gif-11663223

[naive chasm]

All new grad? I can't even find 30 new grad postings a day

[vagrant escarp]

ye jr/entry/new grad positions

use indeed or linkedin and filter it

[naive chasm]

What filters do you use?

I use linkedin

[vagrant escarp]

just search up software engineer new grad

[naive chasm]

Posted recently?

[dawn sequoia]

i set it to like posted within the last week

[vagrant escarp]

yeah same, but it doesnt have to even be within past week

just apply to any thats up

the more the better

[dawn sequoia]

but you can change that based on how often youre searching so you dont get many overlaps if you that everyday

[naive chasm]

I see I see

[dawn sequoia]

what tech stack is commonly used for cross platform mobile app dev?

[chilly burrow]

React Native or Flutter afaik

Plus Firebase

[severe pendant]

What companies do you think have easier interviews

[unkempt forum]

fidelity

[grizzled bronze]

Insurance, defense, banking

[vagrant escarp]

anyone here have 1point3acres?

[neon perch]

Did you hear back from them?

[unkempt forum]

i never applied

[neon perch]

Do you know anyone that heard back

[unkempt forum]

no

[cedar gulch]

For May 2023 grads, are y’all also applying to junior roles atm?

[night marsh]

yes

[normal palm]

what junior roles, i see none

[cedar gulch]

I see a bunch of associate/junior roles on LinkedIn requiring 0-1 years of experience

[normal palm]

i see none

where are you located though

[cedar gulch]

East coast

[normal palm]

well that boils it down

[cedar gulch]

a lot of game/entertainment companies have some open

Im not looking at roles in my city, most are based in CA or WA

[normal palm]

alrighty

[neon perch]

Bruh how hard is it to land a full time as a new grad with only intern experience as an international. It’s literally Fkin impossible

Any resume feedback would be greatly appreciated: https://discord.com/channels/698366411864670250/1078545601551159426

[normal palm]

if ur having trouble with a resume like that we're all screwed

[iron lily]

What are some example LinkedIn queries that yield these jobs? I filter by entry level but I don’t see many junior roles

[cedar gulch]

LinkedIn doesn’t tag some of them right. I’ve been looking at certain companies and have alerts set up too. Activision, Disney, and Nintendo are some examples of companies I’ve seen with associate roles open rn

[cedar gulch]

Yeah fr your resume looks really good!

Cool projects

[neon perch]

Thank you!

God knows how shitty this market is, just hoping for better results in Q2

[small mountain]

goated website

did everyone else also figure out how to see the high-res screenshots without paying?

[dusky tapir]

Hi

[pine topaz]

hey @normal palm

hey @dusky tapir

[normal palm]

hey @pine topaz

[pine topaz]

how are you doing @normal palm

[normal palm]

chadtastic hbu good sir @pine topaz

[pine topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZMZiBCRX4c&ab_channel=EdSheerani
good to hear. im in love with you

@normal palm i have to go to sleep now, good night, cannot wait for our date this weekend love!

[vagrant escarp]

@pine topaz oh nice u guys know each other irl?

[pine topaz]

its complicated

[dusky tapir]

New avatar, what do you think

[pine topaz]

lets do something special!! lets go to blue mountain and chill in the hot tub

[normal palm]

thecco is that u

[pine topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-patrick-bateman-american-psycho-gif-7212093

[normal palm]

https://tenor.com/view/gentleman-giga-chad-sigma-male-gif-25702945

[verbal ore]

burg

[rain patio]

Id like u to mee my friend

[pine topaz]

thanks for introducing me @rain patio

[livid yew]

@pine topaz

[pine topaz]

GET BACK TO WORK

https://tenor.com/view/get-to-work-work-simpsons-smithers-trendizisst-gif-15496843

[livid yew]

its Friday

[pine topaz]

and?

[livid yew]

I "work" on friday

[pine topaz]

I am reporting this to your manager

[livid yew]

ok

@pulsar mural look for the report

[tardy geode]

its not your resume my brother , its the market

😭

[grizzled bronze]

Take a break dude. You've worked hard enough already, you deserve it.

[livid yew]

No false

I want promo

I need to work 80hrs

[grizzled bronze]

This is Comcast, not Meta

[pine topaz]

Your mom misses you

[rain patio]

touch grass

[wind drum]

wtf why is the pay range for that cohesity position way lower than anything they have on levels

[livid yew]

I'm trying to jump to meta dummy

[granite cargo]

Hello, anyone know anything about Antra, Inc? Please DM me. I want some information.

[rain patio]

They have some loop holes

Afaik google gives a big ass pay range cuz they include all regions

They dont want to exactly give that region’s pay range.

But use levels.fyi. Never trust what company gives out

[wind drum]

i feel like it hurts them lol their range is 60-88

but levels has them at 125 base in san jose

[teal jackal]

once you have a promotion youll have more freedom

itll be epic

[nova reef]

where do you see the salary for new grad devops engineer on levels?

[wind drum]

just looking at swe bc i’m pretty sure they fall under the same bucket of MTS

never heard of a tech company paying less for devops lol

[nova reef]

there's a separate job posting for SDET and the range goes up to 110k

https://careers.cohesity.com/open-positions/?gh_jid=4888292

[wind drum]

you’re right that’s wild wtf

[nova reef]

idk why #grad_postings_old didnt pick it up tho

[rain patio]

The job market is rough rn

What would you do in a situation where you’re not happy at your job and wanna make the move?

[nova reef]

coast at work if you can and grind LC + system design, more YoE always makes job hopping easier

[rain patio]

Ya I’m 6 months in rn

[nova reef]

I’d say at least get 1 tho most places need 2/3+

[pine topaz]

isnt it much better to job hop when you are mid (i.e 2), esp at this amrket

i hear people sayign 1 yoe and NG are roughly the same

[nova reef]

yea they’re

but Ive seen ppl with 1 yoe getting L4 offers

if they perform really well in the interview and are a good fit for the position

It also depends on how much @rain patio dislikes his current job lol

[fallen fox]

is having 2 internships in the same time period a bad thing? I volunteered at a different place at the last few months of my internship; would having two of them on resume turn off recruiters?

[teal jackal]

if you can explain and justify it

its not bad

it may even be good

[fallen fox]

thanks

[grizzled bronze]

Was it volunteer work or an internship?

And did both companies know that you were doing 2 internships

[fallen fox]

volunteer and no

[grizzled bronze]

Yeah then I don't see any problem if it was just volunteer work, that would go in "Extra curricular" instead of work experience

[tardy geode]

yeah don't put in workex

[fallen fox]

ah okay, thanks

[tardy geode]

otherwise it would look like moonlighting

[fallen fox]

[grizzled bronze]

Nah, that stuff looks good

[rain patio]

I like gaslighting and moonlighting

[pine topaz]

#full_timers go back to #full_timers this is for #2023_grads

[chilly burrow]

Nah disagree

Esp if you don't have prev exp (or much) putting volunteering exp makes u seem like a well-rounded individual

[rain patio]

Is yakuna the love of ur life

https://tenor.com/view/lion-king-hakuna-matata-timone-pumba-simba-gif-16070198

[livid yew]

as an Eagle Scout i have so much volunteer stuff

[torpid birch]

Hello sir

[pine topaz]

no you are

[rain patio]

U betrayed @pulsar mural

[pine topaz]

i learned to value myself as a human being and see myself as someone dserving of love and respect. I will no longer tolerate unhealthy and co-dependant relationships in my further pursuit of loving myself and growing my happiness.

[tardy geode]

[neon perch]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-waiting-daunting-no-spongebob-squarepants-gif-5281390

[rain patio]

[tardy geode]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sad-gif-26415220

All this grind for what

[tardy geode]

make this gif an emote

[tardy geode]

@pine topaz prayge

[late kestrel]

[solid sonnet]

Guys, how long does it usually take to get OPT approved by USCIS? and how long does it take to get the physical card after the approval?

[nova reef]

https://egov.uscis.gov/processing-times/ says 2mo now (I guess they got a lot of requests lately)

about a week between approval and card delivery

[timber rock]

anyone done mathworks technical interview, the 1 hour with an engineer? im wondering what its like

mine is for intern but i think its the same process

[tardy geode]

you got any offer?

[solid sonnet]

Yea signed an offer last December

[tardy geode]

Ooo where?

congrats mate

[solid sonnet]

Duolingo🦉

[sudden monolith]

Is 2 sigma hiring new grads?

[jovial latch]

i imagine they've been done for a while

[lunar hatch]

No for swe

[pulsar mural]

DUO LINGOOOOO

[grizzled bronze]

Congrats!

[night marsh]

Veeva in half an hour

E.E

[chilly burrow]

best of luk 🙏

[night marsh]

Tyty

[tardy geode]

https://tenor.com/view/2omb-pray-prayge-gif-24836269

[night marsh]

[vagrant escarp]

ayye nice!

[stone granite]

Best of luck!

[night marsh]

Thank you

I'm not sure how it went; could've gone either way

just wrapped it up

Seemed like a fairly neutral interview ngl

Stressed Java and why I wanted to work at Veeva, but the role question caught me off guard (what are you looking for in multiple offers). I said COL as well as rigor

[wet jacinth]

I had Veeva. (1 behavioral, 1 OA, 3 hr tech + behavioral + resume, 1 final). Rejected after final.

hugs are welcome.

emoji hugs only.

[dusky tapir]

thats fked up Man U should sue for wasted time

[split plaza]

lol

[stone granite]

How did you get rejected? Call?

[tardy geode]

UMich CS peeps cracked at LC ? , so many of them interned at HFT's damnnn

[stone granite]

Like phone call and then email?

I didn’t get into UMich for masters 😭

[tardy geode]

one profile i saw interned at Jane Street , HRT and IMC 💀

[wet jacinth]

Just an email.

[stone granite]

Probably because I’m not a leetcode monkey

[fossil jewel]

hard school to get into

esp cs program

[tardy geode]

their BS seems competitive AF

[tardy geode]

i see

[stone granite]

If the MS is competitive then the BS is also competitive

[tardy geode]

but that profile was nuts man , i mean bro made a bank before even graduating

[vagrant escarp]

has any of u guys taken the epic assessment?

[stone granite]

I remember having my eyes glued to grad cafe

[vagrant escarp]

i heard the passing rate is like 3% or somethin lol

[stone granite]

I see this adds another data point since Veeva has nothing online

Thanks for the answer

I heard that epics OA UI is shit from second hand reviews

[tardy geode]

are you a grad student @stone granite ?

[stone granite]

I didn’t apply because they don’t take internationals

Yea I came straight from my bachelors

[tardy geode]

i see

[stone granite]

Because I didn’t know whether to do a PhD or work

But now I want to work and maybe later do a PhD

[tardy geode]

i dm'ed you but it didn't allow me to

[stone granite]

Send me a request, I’ll accept it

[tardy geode]

sent

[atomic oxide]

Be prepared for a long assessment. There's like 4 tests, 3 of them are IQ/behavioral-related. And the last one (which is the longest) is a coding one with no IDE. You solve like 2-3 coding problems in a plain text box.

[vagrant escarp]

did u take it?

cuz what language is the coding section in?

[atomic oxide]

Yeah. You can use whatever language you want - it's not like there's test cases to pass or anything lol. It's literally just a plain text box to type into.

[neon perch]

Link to the epic position?

[vagrant escarp]

https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/software-engineer-at-epic-3187851643/?utm_campaign=google_jobs_apply&utm_source=google_jobs_apply&utm_medium=organic

[neon perch]

Thanks dude!!

[vagrant escarp]

ye gl bro

[late kestrel]

lol why does that listing say bellevue

[vagrant escarp]

thats where im from

i dont think they have a location here

but they are just recruiting from here and shipping u over to the middle of nowhere wisconsin if they end up hiring u

[late kestrel]

ah i see

a lil misleading

[vagrant escarp]

unless they do have a location in washington

im only in the beginning stages of the interview so im not too familiar yet

[late kestrel]

im fairly sure they only have the madison location

[vagrant escarp]

yeah i think ur right

i only see the wisconsin location when googling

[split plaza]

Disjoint sets

[late kestrel]

end world hunger, also please know react

[vagrant escarp]

@atomic oxide did u get an offer from Epic systems?

[neon perch]

Yo am I reading this right? How does studying from UW Madison make you eligible for sponsorship?

[vagrant escarp]

I think they just have a bias for UW-Madison students, their ceo graduated from there and they hire a lot of students out of UW-Madison

[neon perch]

Oh man that’s unfortunate

[vagrant escarp]

u international?

[neon perch]

Yeah

[vagrant escarp]

dang better enroll in UW-Madison then

[neon perch]

The things we gotta do to land a good paying job here 💀

[nova reef]

is this company affiliated with uw-madison?

[vagrant escarp]

dont think so

they just hire a lot of students from there

[nova reef]

that's weird

[neon perch]

Is Figma still hiring new grads?

[nova reef]

actually it might be the partnership thing that amazon and NEU has

like they make application links specifically for the MSCS program at NEU

[earnest perch]

do you guys tweak your resume for every position you apply to?

[vagrant escarp]

yeah lol thats a hell no for me too

gotta just get a best working version of it

and play the numbers game

no ones got time to tweak their resume for a company that is going to reject them anyways

[neon perch]

Are you from NEU?

[nova reef]

nope

but Ive seen links that literally say "currently attending MSCS at NEU"

😂

[neon perch]

I have 2. One for SWE and another for ML, DS, DE

But there isn’t a significant difference apart from the projects. I’m not sure how effective it is

[atomic oxide]

Nope dropped out of the process once I had to schedule a 3 hour block for the final

[vagrant escarp]

ah kk, would u say the assessment was hard?

[atomic oxide]

It's a pretty standard OA that you'd get from any other company with a much longer time limit but no IDE or test cases to be passed

Also, I didn't think I did that well but still got moved on

[neon perch]

I know that getting an A for the Algo course at NEU CS would kinda guarantee a place at Amazon last year or so

[vagrant escarp]

yeah thats what i hear a lot of people say when they talked about their assessment

[chilly burrow]

https://boards.greenhouse.io/devrev/jobs/4496908004

[neon perch]

Who’s given the OA?

[chilly burrow]

Idk check in #2023_grad_process

[night marsh]

How long ago did you hear after

?

[vagrant escarp]

thats a Hell no

[night marsh]

I had recruiter call and oa last week

[vagrant escarp]

not trying to be a marketing puppet for them if they reject me

[night marsh]

I remember Reddit said that "they were humbled by the sheer amount of applications" right after they said "we aren't moving you forward in my application"

Whoever wrote that rejection email has the same amount of social awareness as the average redditor

[jaunty storm]

Any place to look for opportunities? Friend said contract work, but I’m still learning new stacks and stuff and I don’t think I could provide enough quality for stuff like that.

I got a few interviews lined up, but I fear that I need to keep grabbing more to be secure.

[neon perch]

I’m damn tired of reading, “we’re moving with other candidates who meet our requirements more closely”

[jaunty storm]

I have at least 600 of those.

[night marsh]

Same. Like it's actually ridiculous now how you can have all the requirements for an entry level position yet someone else has 1 more yoe than you

[atomic oxide]

They invited me to a final round interview about a week after I finished the OA

[vagrant escarp]

what made you not want to work at epic?

[errant karma]

People are struggling now while we have been struggling since July last year

Rejection emails is part of my experience now

[grizzled bronze]

Personally I didn't bother with Epic because of shitty location (Wisconsin) as well as some proprietary language they use, also bad things about their culture/WLB

[vagrant escarp]

yeah its better than nothing tho

and as for me personally, im not someone that cares about WLB

as long as they pay well, work me idgaf

[grizzled bronze]

True, I'm in the privileged position where I can afford to be picky as I'm living with my parents and have money saved up

[vagrant escarp]

but yeah i've heard their tech stack is very specific to their company

but ive also read some reviews about people moving over to fang companies after like 2 years

they said it may narrow ur chances for smaller companies that are looking for a SWE with a specific tech stack but at fanng they just try to look for smart engineers and dont care as much about tech stack

[grizzled bronze]

Yeah honestly it doesn't really matter where, as long as you have the experience and LC then you can get into FAANG (under normal market conditions)

[vagrant escarp]

and yeah if i found someplace in washington I would def rather stay in washington

but....wisconsin pay of 120k base doesnt seem too bad either

[grizzled bronze]

It's a very good salary

low COL

[vagrant escarp]

then ill try my luck at fanng after a year or 2

whats considered low?

like 500?

[graceful crown]

Why were all my linkedin easy apply s viewed all at once?

Is there a delay between actually viewing the application and the notification?

[grizzled bronze]

I don't know, but many people can't afford to be too picky

[vagrant escarp]

oh i got a instant codesignal invitation from them already

[chilly burrow]

Codesignal is auto oa

[vagrant escarp]

oh nice u take it yet?

[night marsh]

Oh ight, thx

[graceful crown]

I applied too but I didn’t get anything

[night marsh]

I think I got ghosted then

[vagrant escarp]

@night marsh oh u also applied to epic systems?

[chilly burrow]

I didn't apply

[vagrant escarp]

how come?

[chilly burrow]

I already hav an offer

[night marsh]

Yeah

I took it last Tuesday

[vagrant escarp]

oh dang nice!

some people said it took 3 weeks to hear response

some like a couple days, so u still have hope

[atomic oxide]

I got an offer at a company at a location I've always wanted to explore halfway through the Epic process. That combined with the stories my friend at U-Wisc told me and the really long OA and interview made me opt out.

I've always been someone who would rather be able to explore a new place and the outdoors while I can than just make a lot of money...at least for the first few years

[night marsh]

Thank you dude

[arctic pine]

yep

[tardy geode]

i am tired of life

all this grind and all i get is "thank you for your time , but we have move forward with other candidates"

[tardy geode]

I have never enjoyed life and missed out on a lot of things only because of my dreams and ambitions . its frustrating to face such situation where you grind the f out every fucking day , exhaust your mind body and soul so much only to get fucking rejected . fuck covid fuck this economy , fuck all of this .

worked my ass off during internship , to even clear the interview only to get a shit manager who didn't even bat an eye to the work i did and then outright reject me from giving a rto . i left no margin for error . there were days i used to work 12-15 hours , it was all i dreamt of when i landed here to pursue what i had always wished for and imagined. all went down in vain , it still hurts .

[dawn sequoia]

hi sorry I was busy all day today and forgot to reply. thank you for the reply, I'll do a lil digging about them and see what fits my idea better

[neon perch]

Who are these candidates man

[sonic coral]

new grads are literally competing with recently laid off recent grads now

[neon perch]

Literally, it’s fucked

[sonic coral]

Tech is collapsing tbh

[smoky star]

New grads are adding up

The situation is already bad

But the supply is still increasing fast while I don't see the demand showing any sign of recovery

If that new about Meta going to layoff 11k more is true, then we are fucked beyond imaginable

[sonic coral]

I’m saying like in general a lot of the stability in the tech cos is kinda gone

Like goog is cutting corners left and right to try to avoid layoffs round 2

If you told me a year ago that I’d be concerned with the future of google as a company I’d have laughed at you but now it grows more uncertain

Bro im doing laundry fuck off @pulsar mural

I started at 12

Dryer is almost done you horny fuck

Projecting ahh

[faint umbra]

It's the worst year to be a new grad, but the interviewers are not showing any kind of mercy. They reject even after doing well in interview.

[smoky star]

I sincerely hope you are right, because it implies that 2024 would be a better year

[faint umbra]

yes it will be better, but tech in general has lost its stability and with chatGPT, future is really unpredictable.

[smoky star]

Thanks for the reassurance, its already terrible to live in a bad situation, but it would be even more depressing if the worst hasn't even happened, lol

[tardy geode]

yeah and also laid off peeps on visa like H1B or F1 OPT , don't have their clocks started until the last day of their severance.

so they got time till severance + the countdown . so for example a laid off GOOG person has 12 weeks + 60 days(if h1) or 90 days(if opt)

not throwing shade or denouncing empathy , but when they make a post mentioning that they got only 60 days to find something , in actual reality its not 60 its severance + 60

[smoky star]

Those people will eventually find a job anyway, lmao

[tardy geode]

even they are struggling , my friend has had only 1 phone screen since 10 days

he is from GOOG

[smoky star]

They don't want their TC to go down to 200k from 400k

[tardy geode]

idc about the money now , i just want to maintain my status post graduation . that has become a priority now

[smoky star]

Isn't that the goal of 99% NGs?

Staying unemployed after graduation - have an offer on hand when graduating

Only 1% elites they look for higher, like Quant, FAANG, etc...

[brave forge]

if I had to do the stuff H1B people have to do i would literally give up out of stress

[night marsh]

It's frustrating for sure. There's so much supply bc of new grads, the market is so damn competitive rn bc of layoffs, and comp is getting lower while COL is getting higher

[smoky star]

The scary point is there are more and more NG graduating every few months.....

[brave forge]

I'm still working on grinding leetcode & projects I don't graduate until December. I am hoping my summer internship gives me a return offer though.

[night marsh]

Yeah exactly. That's something else altogether. Next szn will still be very very competitive because of how many NGs from previous seasons

[teal jackal]

Holy shit this year is hell

[tender sluice]

Job where?

Job when?

Job how?

[timber rock]

job

[tardy geode]

@timber rock is south london filled with gangs?

i have seen memes on it being unsafe and plagued with crime.

[tardy geode]

everyone and their mothers are waiting for ng 2024 💀

[grizzled bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/shaquille-o-neal-cat-shake-shaking-wiggle-gif-4628548

[tardy geode]

even if you delay graduation , its of no use. this year is fucked

[tardy geode]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sad-gif-26415220

ev0s y u bully

[timber rock]

No lmao

It's a relatively safe city especially when u compare to american cities

[tardy geode]

24 mins , 63 apps already . god have some mercy on us

[nova reef]

probably 20 masters and maybe 5 phds in there too

[smoky star]

And 20 of them are from T10 institutions

[stray imp]

Dapper labs laid off 20%

[brave forge]

I'm waiting for new grad 2024

when can we get a 24 new grad channel 😔

[tardy geode]

what if i start as a SDET , will it be easy to switch to a SDE role in future?

[late kestrel]

i think generally people say "not hard" but probably not easy

but its still agood option

[tardy geode]

but then will i be able to switch to SDE roles?

i mean its technically tester/QA role sugarcoated as SDET

[late kestrel]

interally no clue, depends on the company. youd probably have to job hop to switch

[smoky star]

I don't think that I can get a job in 2024 either, lol, looking for the 2025 NG channel

[teal jackal]

it's gonna be an uphill climb but you will have the chance to get to SDE

main problem is that you're gonna fall behind relative to people within your year who already are SDEs

Tbh I'd be very insecure about the idea of falling behind my peers

but if you can at least get into SDET or QA I think you should do it if it gives you sponsorship

[graceful crown]

https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/23/23612833/metas-next-big-round-of-layoffs-are-coming

[pine topaz]

im legit gonna cry if the entire industry follow suit with round 2 of layoffs

[graceful crown]

I applied for ms lol

As soon as i get an acceptance I’m gonna give up on the job search

[timber rock]

yes. but if you have say 2 years of sdet experience you're probably not going to transfer to an equivalent experienced sde role

[tardy geode]

this

[arctic pine]

that would be so stupid and show the greed in this industry. Zuck blew million on the metaverse so he can have an excuse, but not every company needs to do another round except for cost cutting to bump the stock price

[pine topaz]

i mean if its to maximize profits, i wouldnt be suprised

[tardy geode]

i don't want to go back home , i have a big loan on my head 😭 . back home it would take me lot of years to payback . FML , i have never been so stressed in my life . its very very very hard to stay sane and not panic

FUCK METAVERSE , i can make a better shit than it using Unity

[rain patio]

Do volunteer work

So u can stay until economy recovers

[tardy geode]

well it needs to be in my field , where can i find SWE/Tech volunteering work

[rain patio]

schools

Teaching kids cs

Look around in ur local area

[tardy geode]

oh i see , thanks

[rain patio]

U gotta do everything in ur power to stay in the us

Dont just rely on jobs

[tardy geode]

ik 😭

[rain patio]

Have backup plan

[vagrant escarp]

ur fine man

staying calm minded is a powerful skill

[livid yew]

[vagrant escarp]

keep networking and seeing what kind of jobs you can pick up that'd give u a visa

[tardy geode]

at this point i only care about maintaining status , jobs are bleak af out there . i am ready to even work for free for sometime .

[sonic coral]

This isn’t true I know someone laid off from zon who’s trying to get any swe job rn and is struggling

[teal jackal]

yeah, which is why you fall behind

you downlevel or stay at the equivalent level

which once again beats nothing

[pulsar mural]

round 2

ROUND 2

[teal jackal]

beats being deported or being unemployed for too long

[pulsar mural]

ADMIT ROUND 2 IS TUFF

@teal jackal

[teal jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/972617781910597682/1078788708603547670/image.png

[brave forge]

The big brain play is to get married to an American or just stay illegally 🧠

[fallen fox]

will amazon's 2024 ng applications open in june

I NEED TO KNOW

[rain patio]

Finding a partner to marry is harder than landing faang offer

[teal jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/972617781910597682/1078782957319372800/image.png

[teal jackal]

should have invested those student loans into leg lengthening, steroids, plastic surgery, and dick lengthening programs tbh
That way ez partner to marry and ez green card

[rain patio]

[tardy geode]

saying as if wooing is easy

[pine topaz]

wait its not easy for you guys?

[fallen fox]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/981754288508375150/1023056734664790026/jammies.gif

[tardy geode]

its not easy for most

[snow salmon]

Anyone have any experience with H&R Block Associate SWE interview process?

[fathom arrow]

We should make a marriage channel as I suggested before

[fathom stag]

do companies hand pick certain questions for code signal or is it all random?

[fallen fox]

i think that might depend on the company

[late kestrel]

out of pure curiousity what location is this

kc?

[stable hemlock]

Tbf most don't try hard enough

[snow salmon]

Yes. I believe thats the only location IIRC

[late kestrel]

gotcha ok. sry i cant help i just know a few people who interned with them last year

and i know the lead architect of their building

[snow salmon]

Did they enjoy interning there? And did they relocate to KC?

[brave forge]

im moving to downtown KC to work for my summer internship

[neon perch]

Guys should I include my current volunteer SWE work in my resume whilst searching for jobs? I don’t want employers to think why am I looking to switch jobs or something idk but at the same time it’ll add more exp

[late kestrel]

they all went to a school nearby and either lived at home or found a place for the summer

but yeah i think they liked it, seemed pretty lowkey with lots of events

[brave forge]

ya idk why but KC companies like to do events often lol.

[late kestrel]

nice who with

[brave forge]

A mid-size trucking software company called Shamrock Trading

[neon perch]

Is ramp backend new grad app closed??

I only see front end

[split plaza]

yes it’s closed

[snow salmon]

Thanks for the info!

[late kestrel]

oh cool i know a few business ppl who just started there

[shut crescent]

for those of u who have received an offer, do u guys think 110k for first job in the bay is fair for nontech company?

[fallen fox]

in this economy i would do all kinds of stuff for a 110k offer

[vagrant escarp]

if that's ur only offer i suggest to just take it and then keep applying if ur really unhappy with the job

or tell them ur concerns and try to negotiate a slightly higher salary

[tardy geode]

💀

[sour spindle]

I suggest to take it up without much negotiation. If you don’t like the role or money, just use it as a kind of pit stop and keep on hunting for jobs.

[neon perch]

Link?