2023_grads

[neon perch]

Fuck Walmart Fkin bitches

[jovial latch]

Yeaaa fuck them

[livid yew]

I'd move to Bentonville

For a Senior offer

Which is what my current Walmart process is

[late kestrel]

future southern hick

[livid yew]

Ok buddy

[tardy geode]

the entire work culture there is like that , this is coming from a former intern who worked there . i have seen it all .

[grizzled bronze]

Good luck! You can easily ace their process, Comcast Jr level = Walmart Sr level

[late kestrel]

[livid yew]

[tardy geode]

SWE 3 is just entry level SDE with a MS
SWE 2 is entry level with BS

[late kestrel]

what color is your future cowboy hat

[livid yew]

Blue

[late kestrel]

[livid yew]

[late kestrel]

oh

[tardy geode]

[livid yew]

Cheddy confused now

[tardy geode]

gib job @livid yew

[livid yew]

[tardy geode]

[livid yew]

[tardy geode]

[late kestrel]

[livid yew]

I can possibly give referral

Send me DM later today @tardy geode

[tardy geode]

refer us all , and then retire early

[livid yew]

My guy the bonus is only like 1k

[late kestrel]

[tardy geode]

9026 x 1k

ez

[livid yew]

[grizzled bronze]

They don't have new grad up, not sure if Comcast even does new grad roles

[livid yew]

You all have to get hired tho

We do

Evo

[tardy geode]

sure 🙂

[tardy geode]

[livid yew]

We have 0YOE Ropes

*roles

[late kestrel]

[tardy geode]

lol this gif

[livid yew]

[tardy geode]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1004741311175327824/1047370395818410044/maxwell-1.gif

maxwell blesses this server

[late kestrel]

[obtuse night]

Are there people still interviewing with IXL? Or waiting to hear back from them?

[shrewd ocean]

Is there space for another referral 😳😳

[atomic oxide]

I get shitting on Walmart and its processes (they're dumb as fk), but you can't blame a company that wants to have its largest office where it was founded. If you've ever been to Bentonville, the city is literally built around Walmart.

Also, Bentonville isn't that bad - it's very much a Midwest-town vibe, which I feel is not something people in this channel like

[tardy geode]

i have been a former intern there(summer 2022)

only thing i saw a lot was churches

there

like at every 1-1.5 mile there was a church

[shrewd ocean]

Sounds like Montreal ngl

[tardy geode]

but its a great place to retire

but a bad place to start a career .

[livid yew]

[shrewd ocean]

At least u got ur exp

[atomic oxide]

^I don't know. In this economy, I'd just go somewhere for 1-2 years for the experience and then peace out to a bigger company/better area.

[shrewd ocean]

[autumn jolt]

Did you get a return offer from Walmart?

[tardy geode]

i was just saying , yeah in this trash market even i would move to anywhere

[tardy geode]

no mate , they had layoffs in my org in july . and my manager was ass like he had the attitude of someone who didn't really want interns in the first place . i had worked my ass off , literally built them a tool which they are currently fucking using in my org .

it hurts till today

[jovial latch]

sounds like a ah....company town

[shrewd ocean]

Well I’m sure u can find something better 😤

[jovial latch]

and you cant twist a company town into a good thing

[autumn jolt]

Same thing happened with me (even after interning there for 7 months)

[shrewd ocean]

The economy can’t stay bad forever

[tardy geode]

i am international , shits looking too bleak

[tardy geode]

7 months! , and then they bail out wtf

[tardy geode]

i have limited time in this country.

[shrewd ocean]

How much time

[tardy geode]

max i can stay is till october 2023.(this is if i don't get anything at all 150 days post my graduation date.)

i am having like the worst time of my life rn

[autumn jolt]

Can you extend your program or does your school help you with RA for time being?

[shrewd ocean]

Yeah it’s rough rn don’t beat urself over it

[tardy geode]

no way i can extend 😦 . the worst i could do is an internship for a year OR RA under some prof but i don't have a research background sadly

FK COVID , its the root cause of all this bs

[shrewd ocean]

Maybe u can apply for an internship worst case

[tardy geode]

yeah ig but do companies take graduated peeps as interns?

[shrewd ocean]

Tbh idk, someone has to try to really know if they would accommodate that

[livid yew]

[tardy geode]

googChan

[shrewd ocean]

Googchan notice me

[vague furnace]

yeah sometimes they do. I know H-E-B in texas does. they're a grocery chain. they accept recent grads as interns, bc they really believe in scoping you out before giving you an offer.

[livid yew]

[vague furnace]

so you could try to look for internships, but im sure its competitive bc companies would rather save money by hiring a traditional intern on a traditional timeline.

[late kestrel]

Hickie3445

[livid yew]

tf

STOP

@late kestrel JUST STOP

[late kestrel]

[livid yew]

[late kestrel]

[livid yew]

[late kestrel]

hush lil hickie dont say a word, papa's gonna buy you a mocking bird

[livid yew]

stop bullying me @late kestrel

[late kestrel]

and if that mocking bird don't sing, papa's gonna buy you a diamond ring

[grizzled bronze]

Nothing is real, companies should just stop putting up job listings

[shut crescent]

damn

looks like everyones getting lowballed

theyre really using the economy to their advantage rn

crazy how much money they're going to save/make off this

[split plaza]

anyone still waiting to hear back from Ramp after applying on 2/9

[whole berry]

its always been about taking advantage

[shut crescent]

yeah but theyve taken it to another level here

lmfao

[whole berry]

oh yeah the "fuck you" is in plain view now

[shut crescent]

yeah im negotiating my offer this week, hopefully it goes well

im going to ask them for a straight roadmap to the next position and how far along im out on it and ask for 15% raise to meet bay averages lol

lets see what happens

[whole berry]

goodluck

[livid yew]

[tardy geode]

https://tenor.com/view/2omb-prayge-gif-24836247

[shut crescent]

i think i got some leverage since ive been working at the company for a year now as intern/part time so might as well try it here

i think pulling the offer for asking is very slim

[livid yew]

https://tenor.com/view/2omb-prayge-gif-24836247

[shut crescent]

lmk if anyones negotiating also 🙂

[lone rapids]

how do the recruiters scam go? Had an recruiter reached out from a company harvey norman saying 45$ an hour and remote

seems very scamy

[sonic coral]

Don’t send any personal info unless you know it’s legit

[lone rapids]

Sounds scam af. Had my resume on linkedin posted by someone to ask their network if any full time postions are there and today this guy messaged

I asked him for a link to the posting

he has gone silent

[sonic coral]

Yeah don’t give anything till you have a job posting and you verify it’s legit

[lone rapids]

Yea. 99.9999% sure its a scam. He said I'm Mr. Kelvin Brooks

[shrewd ocean]

[grizzled bronze]

Reddit down

[gray dagger]

I thought it was my school Wi-Fi blocking Reddit 💀

[late kestrel]

i can still load new threads but no comments load

[sonic coral]

I think their comment api is busted

Some Reddit comments oncall buggin out rn 💀

[late kestrel]

good thing its still during the workday

[livid yew]

[late kestrel]

[rain patio]

Works fine for me

[livid yew]

[fathom dagger]

Anyone has any experience with Teksystems?

[teal jackal]

reddit is just unreliable

as an app

[pine topaz]

@pulsar mural hero ur playing fits your toxic personality goofy ahh

[vagrant escarp]

@pulsar mural ew dota

[tardy geode]

in consulting firms like bcg , ey etc non client facing roles comprise of swe's , data scientists etc?

[neon perch]

Which few company are hiring new grads right now or even just hiring well?

[tardy geode]

💀 oh god , mckinsey gonna shit too

[tardy geode]

i would suggest make a linkedin post , you would get reach

mckinsey gonna layoff 2k

WTF

where did you read this?

[jovial latch]

things are fucked

[neon perch]

Really considering doing this. Does it usually help?

[tardy geode]

yeah

do it!

[jovial latch]

im tempted

mind you i dont post anything on linkedin and i despise the platform lol

[neon perch]

Same man, I’ve never posted once on LinkedIn

[pine topaz]

WITCH is doing freeze ?

[tardy geode]

where did you hear this?

you got some source?

[slow owl]

some companies thrive during recessions!! i've gotten some traction with healthcare companies

banks do well too

Discover is hiring a ton and they sponsor international students

[tardy geode]

revature is a scammy consultancy

[pine topaz]

/r/cscareerquestionsCAD had a mental breakdown these past few days

I rememner seeing that post though

Yes toronto area

[tardy geode]

Infosys USA is not on a hiring freeze

[shut crescent]

janitors are making 70k in the bay, how are engineers nowadays getting paid 70k

[pine topaz]

are you applying to us too @cedar nebula ?

[shut crescent]

am i tripping

let me cook though

am i tripping

[pine topaz]

@rain patio I want you to meet my friend @rain patio

I hope you guys become bffs

[rain patio]

Hi new friend

[jovial latch]

christ

[rain patio]

Im yuna !

Hi !

[livid yew]

I mean 70K in LCOL is really good tbh

I made 65K in LCOL in 2020-2021

[jovial latch]

probably

[livid yew]

and it was crazy

my dream out of college was 50K

I had low expectations for myself

depends

a couple NG offers over 200K

but most people are in the 140-200 range I think

wish we had 200K offers in 2020

I was not ready for those

had never touched LeetCode

or done any prep

[jovial latch]

christ im just hoping for a single ng offer for like fuckin 80k in a hcol area

times are bad

[livid yew]

leetcode was a post-grad thing for me

maybe

most people at my college work at sub-100K midwest places @jagged ravine

very few leave the midwest

I mean I did not really talk to the sweay Asian/Indian cs peeps ,

those guys did all the LC

and now I am 2yrs behind on LC lmao

slowly learning, probably understand it by 2024

yeah

but now I have less time for that

yeah so maybe 2024/25

wdym

Leetcode is very new to me

I am a slow learning

yeah

but still

it takes a while for my brain to remember stuff

etc

I know from exp

buddy

[pine topaz]

comcaat lifer

buddy

[livid yew]

school was a tough one sheesh

thanks

[grizzled bronze]

@livid yew need a referral?

[livid yew]

I applied to most jobs with out referral

I did not know that was common

[grizzled bronze]

Referrals can help more now since you're not entry level

[livid yew]

but from random people?

[pine topaz]

@grizzled bronze is a friend

[grizzled bronze]

Especially from random people on Blind

[pine topaz]

not a random

[livid yew]

here is the daily

https://leetcode.com/problems/single-element-in-a-sorted-array/

[grizzled bronze]

Yeah I can get him a referral to Yahkunazon, they can't match his pay though

[livid yew]

@grizzled bronze did u do the daily?

[grizzled bronze]

I don't touch that shit

[livid yew]

its an easier one

binary search

[pine topaz]

well hr in yahkunazon said we r having a hiring freeze due too many interns being hired

:/

[livid yew]

couple things

1. I am very casually looking
2. I crack under pressure

interviews raise my HR, make me super nervous

like

[grizzled bronze]

Just don't be nervous

[livid yew]

easier said that done buddy

[jovial latch]

yea well not all of us are cs tryhards
never really touched lc until some months ago

though in retrospect i probably should have tried so much harder last year

[livid yew]

lmao

Duration: 6 Month Contract to Hire

[jovial latch]

stop omg

[livid yew]

get this shit outta me DMs

I hate those

the contract to hire stuff

[shut crescent]

but why not negotiate

might as well try

true

yeah i dont see why people always take first salary...i see it as if i were to hire someone to like landscape my grass, i would give me lowest budget first

if they accept its perfect for me

the thing is tho if u know its below market average, they do too

ur first offer is always the shittiest one they can offer

think about it why would u offer ur best or even mid offer to some npc

[rain patio]

most people here are new grads so lots of offers are standardized

[shut crescent]

it doesnt even have to be about pay, why not negotiate the next role

like say i want to get to sde2 as soon as possible, give me a roadmap

idk theres so many things u can negotiate in an offer lol

[livid yew]

My first offer in 2022 was 95K, negotiated up to 110K

[rain patio]

you can always try to negotiate

just don't expect much w/o leverage

[shut crescent]

i think it works best when theyre looking for a lot of people and its a big sized company with not a lot of attention

[shut crescent]

thats what alot of people think so they dont even try

thats ur mistake lol

[late kestrel]

but they wont budge at all if u dont have anything

[rain patio]

i never said don't try?

[shut crescent]

"just don't expect much w/o leverage" why is it so negative

[livid yew]

I mean you could lie about other offers lol

[rain patio]

thats my experience

[livid yew]

Always try

Cause worst case they say no

[shut crescent]

exactly @livid yew lmao

even if ur offer is above market average

who gives a shit

just emphasize that they are ur first pick and ur good to go

[livid yew]

I am paid well below market

Lmao

But like

Idc

[shut crescent]

i mean technically as a collective we all are

[livid yew]

That's a 2024 problem

[shut crescent]

but u can get that 10-15k raise

[livid yew]

Probably around 140k is average

[rain patio]

like everyone or this server

[late kestrel]

dude what

[rain patio]

everyone probably 70-80

[late kestrel]

140k

[livid yew]

Depending on location

[shut crescent]

140k isnt even that much lol

well in the bay

[livid yew]

Not everyone is in bay buddy

Lol

Tf

[late kestrel]

140k is the national average for all swes regardless of level

gov puts that data out

[shut crescent]

yeah ik but some people act like 140k isnt possible anywhere for new grads haha

[livid yew]

yep

people well generalize SWE and only look at bay/seattle/nyc data

cause APPERANTLY NO OTHER LOCATION exists

[rain patio]

its true

only new york exists

[livid yew]

to an outsider from a different country

I mean

but how many of you are int?

pog but why

LMFAO

that is sus

dope

as a person born and raised in these United States, its tough to see the outside perspective

💀

I should update my resume/li

with current job

[rain patio]

there was one where a UCI guy said he wanted to work at jane street and everyone flamed him

[late kestrel]

have u been applying without it

[rain patio]

haters

[livid yew]

yes

[shut crescent]

i go to UCI

[livid yew]

lmao cheddy

[rain patio]

nothing, let me try to find the tiktok though

[livid yew]

no wonder I keep getting rejected

[rain patio]

comment section 💀

[shut crescent]

im going to own jane street

[livid yew]

I should ask Chatgpt to write a new about section

lemme see what it gives

[jovial latch]

i hate this industry 🙂

[livid yew]

well leave

ezpz

[rain patio]

Ong

Once ure in it. U get paid well and chill work

i cant find the tiktok but its out there

or deleted bcz of bullying maybe

[jovial latch]

some people are insufferable

for a variety of reasons

[outer radish]

BRUH KIRB 350 GonE NOOOOOO

[chilly burrow]

Thats just people tbh

[jovial latch]

true true

[late kestrel]

@rain patio lets go become strippers

[jovial latch]

i had a whole ass list of reasons

[late kestrel]

we would dominate

[jovial latch]

one sec

[livid yew]

Huh

too long

[jovial latch]

ok i guess i dont have it

damn

had a whole ass list of shit in this industry that annoyed me

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/just-a-wee-sip-mate-gif-20040006

Onlyfans

[late kestrel]

tf does this mean

[rain patio]

Fuck im hungry af

[livid yew]

@late kestrel I lied

its in there

[late kestrel]

i was gonna say

u woulda been the silliest goose

[teal jackal]

Cracking under pressure is tough man, I feel.
My biggest problem is that for some reason I sometimes have a weird quirk that makes the interviewer dislike me and I can't always figure out why that happened when it happens.
Though there are interviewers who are very respectful and enjoy the interview with me.

[livid yew]

[rain patio]

i found you

[livid yew]

I wonder if I should put "II" instead of "2"

what sounds better?

I was thinking the same

thanks

lmfao

[teal jackal]

Nah it happens at my college too tbh, you mention that you're into prestige and TC chasing as a career goal to your friends and they start looking at you funny.

[livid yew]

eye eye captain

[grizzled bronze]

Software Engineer the Second

[teal jackal]

For me, I prefer to openly tell my friends about the grindset. I don't want to gatekeep the grindset from others, I don't want the kind of situation where there's a "successful" friend who doesn't relay any information back to their friends.

Yeah exactly

But I think it sucks because there are people who want to be part of the grindset

but nobody will tell them about it

or help them figure out where to start

[rain patio]

i think its good knowing how to read a room

[teal jackal]

because dragging people down this kind of rabbit hole is considered toxic

[chilly burrow]

I dont tell my non-cs friends cause it would feel like flexing

[rain patio]

if they want to know, ull be able to tell

i told him to touch grass

jk

[teal jackal]

Oh yeah I never mention career grindset to my leftist friends, cs+game dev friends, non-cs friends, anyone with a smidge of feeling like "i dont want to be a salarycuck", they definitely don't really care about chasing big TC

[late kestrel]

how many swe 2s at comcast that have exactly 336 connections can there be

[rain patio]

i found him within

2 mins

[livid yew]

[chilly burrow]

dis tbh

[livid yew]

thanks batcox

[rain patio]

https://youtu.be/kICh_d6tHQk

[livid yew]

send connection reqq @rain patio

[late kestrel]

wait lol we have a mutual @livid yew

[teal jackal]

But tbh I try to pay it forward to my friends who I know want to be part of the grindset, because I wouldn't have gotten started and gotten to where I am without someone else telling me about it

[rain patio]

i respect his grind

i don't study THAT hard

[chilly burrow]

where r u headed?

[teal jackal]

Hive

[chilly burrow]

yo nice

[late kestrel]

@livid yew we run the b12

[teal jackal]

I remember thinking that $180k TC as a new grad? IMPOSSIBRU

tbh i dont count paper stock as part of my TC

[livid yew]

you got 180K offer?

[teal jackal]

so i technically havent gotten to 180k yet, but I for sure exceeded my dreams of 140k as a kid

[rain patio]

i think you can count it if its liquid

[teal jackal]

mine doesn't count, it's pre-IPO and it's actually an indefinite stock option that expires if you leave

[livid yew]

which one of you fuckers just sent reqq

I wont doxx

but who was it

[rain patio]

wait what I thought usually they expire within 5-10 years

immediately after you leave? L

[livid yew]

oh

I see

fuck you

[late kestrel]

b2b bb

[livid yew]

I might just leave that open I guess

lmfao bp?

sheesh

tf

[late kestrel]

wowowowo no dox!?!??!?

jk idc

[livid yew]

how is that dox

[late kestrel]

whatever nerd

[pulsar mural]

@livid yew

[livid yew]

I accepted

[pulsar mural]

@late kestrel

[livid yew]

buddy

you need to stop

you work at amex

[teal jackal]

idk how long exactly but i heard 60 days to exercise after leaving

[rain patio]

better hope they ipo next year ig

[late kestrel]

next i will send connection request to @rain patio

[faint igloo]

Bruh isnt stripe like that too tho

Or r they rsu

[teal jackal]

I think you can exercise and buy the stock whenever as long as the option doesnt expire

not sure

I havent pressed too hard on this

[chilly burrow]

I think you are correct

Stripe gives RSUs iirc

But plenty of other large startups give options

The place I got an offer at also does options

[faint igloo]

Yea i think ur right ive just seen ppl talk about their stripe options expiring cuz they still havent ipo

[chilly burrow]

can RSUs expire?

[faint igloo]

Dont think so

Bruh ok im confused

So stripe not rsu?

[thorn walrus]

isn’t this bad cause u pay taxes

and it’s not liquid

[teal jackal]

a lot of pre-IPO companies do options because you dont pay the taxes until you exercise

[livid yew]

I have RSUs and Options

but have not touched any of it yet

[teal jackal]

if you straight up get RSUs i think you get taxed based on estimated value

[chilly burrow]

afaik you only pay taxes once u sell

[livid yew]

just that it goes up

[chilly burrow]

^

tbh i should prob read up more on dis shit

[faint igloo]

Where u off to this summer soulkks

[chilly burrow]

new grad

[rain patio]

Check out this post! "New Grad Market is BRUTAL (Tech Industry)"
https://us.teamblind.com/s/UohMoGbG

[neon perch]

Bruhhh is Barclays retarded for setting up like 200 personality based questions

Fuck offf

[peak pike]

today was so quiet aaaa

[vagrant escarp]

ye lol those are so annoying

[night marsh]

Yeah not many listings today

[peak pike]

yeah amybe tomorrow due to the 3day weekend

[night marsh]

possible

[tardy geode]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-pepe-laptop-crying-pepe-laptop-gif-24151788

i want this grind to end ffs , i am so mentally drained that i don't feel anything . not even hunger

😭

[rain patio]

Never give up

[rain patio]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-lee-weights-naruto-chunin-exams-flex-gif-26433140

[grizzled bronze]

Maybe enough people will give up at that stage so you have a higher chance of interview + offer

[lone rapids]

Anyone heard back after technical OA from barclays

[tardy geode]

https://tenor.com/view/maxwell-cat-meme-gif-27285439

[compact sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/498420244574896138/1068553698663464990/zai_2002_JUST_FOR_NOW.gif

[elder hound]

yo i just opened piazza for the first time this semester 😭 😭 😭 😭

[sonic coral]

Bruh my piazza was never that wild lmao

[elder hound]

this one is bonkers. prof just ripping everyone to shreds lmfao

[rain patio]

Bruh thats the prof?

[elder hound]

yeah dude's like 60 and wrote touch grass 😭 😭 😭

[sonic coral]

Absolute savage I love it

[rain patio]

How tf does he know

That’s zoomer talk

[wary totem]

profs happen to be around zoomers all day

probably picked it up

[rain patio]

My guy prof deadass violated his ass 😭💀

[wary totem]

could also be a TA

[elder hound]

oh are TA's marked instructors as well

that's prob it

[wary totem]

usually, for mine they were at least

[elder hound]

damn and here i was thinking my prof trying to speedrun losing his job

[rain patio]

theres no name attached?

[wary totem]

getting fired as a prof has to be one of the hardest things to do, unless hes adjunct or smth

idt saying "touch grass" is grounds for that

[rain patio]

He will say to his higher ups who trynna fire him to “touch grass”

[rain patio]

Post on reddit

U will be on front page

[teal jackal]

^

Free Reddit karma bro

[shrewd ocean]

That cat looks very hireable

[tardy geode]

[lone copper]

Is it really that bad or are people just saying it is? Hard to tell but now I'm wondering if I'm dumb for declining the only two offers I got so far but both were really bad

[vagrant escarp]

yes it is that bad

what were the offers u were given?

they better be super bad or u might've just fumbled a bag

[lone copper]

One was an internship for one year for I think like 58k a year (but I would've had to move to another city so it seemed like negative money, they said I could hybrid but needed to come in 2 days a week and it would be hella far drive) but decent company. The other was full time drivable just a lil far but only 52k which seemed horrible and the environment seemed like a lot of not smart people (small business hiring a lot of low budget people)

[vagrant escarp]

yeah 50k is hard cuz its not a lot especially if u have to relocate

[lone copper]

I'm still interviewing with 2 ish companies rn

But one is really slow and the other is also small business/startup but closer to me and seems interesting

[vagrant escarp]

yeah i just know a lot of people struggling to find a job atm

[lone copper]

Yeah

I should say I'm not in CS directly I'm Electrical Engineering grad but I have software experience and applying to everything tho my main interest is hardware /embedded

[vagrant escarp]

oh dang...yeah if u apply to electrical engineer specific jobs u might not be affected too badly by the tech layoffs

but if u apply for SWE positions, i think it'll be low chance

[lone copper]

So I guess worse case I can try for power engineering job bc that is always high demand but my expirence might not line up so I'd probably have to move. But I saw it pays really well but just seems really boring. So I'd rather do like RF/ PCB/hardware related or swe

I would say like only 30% of the positions I applied to were software purely but at first I was only hearing back from them because I have internship in software only sadly :/

[lone copper]

I'm guessing tech layoffs is all of tech but mostly software?

[vagrant escarp]

ye i think the comp sci new grads are getting hit the hardest

[lone copper]

I see

I will lower my standards since graduation is approaching soon lol

[pastel bane]

I got an offer from an IT outsourcing company lol, hope it wont ruin me

[distant rampart]

antra inc?

i feel like the only companies that are hiring right now are IT outsourcing/consulting companies

[pastel bane]

Im not in USA

[smoky star]

I am really worried

I am not sure if the situation is getting better in 2024

Even McK is doing layoff, and as a managament consulting firm, they know a lot about internal data, the future plan of companies around

[neon perch]

Will it be a red flag if I apply to like 10-20 SWE roles in one company

They’re all so similar

[arctic pine]

Had a palantir recruiter reach out but then cancel due to HC. They still open?

[prime palm]

Not pltr

[tardy geode]

this year is kinda fked maybe 2024 mid-end looks good

mck doing layoff is something big. this will have a ripple effect too in some smaller companies that they have invested in mb

[tardy geode]

non client facing specifically , this comprises of swe's imo

[tardy geode]

ik a person who is on pip at McKinsey. idk if i should call it pip or not . basically they want him out of there.

[graceful crown]

What is pip?

pip install pip?

[outer radish]

Yall are going off the deep end

The economic outlook of na aint dependent on one consulting firm laying off people

This is a time to cut costs without any media attention or scrutiny from investors as to why, perfect time to lay off anyone

[cloud zinc]

anyone interviewed with lockheed martin before?

[west egret]

Performance improvement plan

Basically, the company is giving you a chance to improve before you get terminated on the surface. But they’re really just accumulating documentation as reasoning to terminate you.

[west egret]

@pulsar mural

[cloud zinc]

They were pretty ambiguous on what position I would be interviewing for, but I figured it would be for their associate software engineering role

[teal jackal]

the more I read the more I go like

hmm this isn't necessarily a recession

more like a golden opportunity for tech to cut costs

[jovial latch]

Oh hey someones understanding how capitalism works

God forbid you look up with companies did in 08

Companies will take any opportunity to cut costs ya know

[vagrant escarp]

Arandomdude u got a job yet?

[jovial latch]

No lol

[vagrant escarp]

Rip same

[teal jackal]

ive realized its easy to get blinded by the just world fallacy when things work out for you

harsh reality do be that every day in some way youre at risk of losing it all

[pulsar mural]

@teal jackal stfu

[vagrant escarp]

I like to believe in the just world fallacy tho

[teal jackal]

I HOPE THE IRS AUDITS YOUR ASS

[pure fossil]

Anyone interviewed for flexport SDE II role.

I have mine on site interview on 1st week of march

[jovial latch]

I've always said that swes are pretty high up on the worker food chain but at the end of the day, still workers and companies will fuck you over like other workers

[teal jackal]

yup

[jovial latch]

We just get paid a lot as swes so we feel immune to corporate bs most of the time

[teal jackal]

now is the golden time to put SWEs in their place too

this is why i cringe when people say "SWEs are overpaid"

especially other SWEs saying that SWEs are overpaid

SWEs are paid their fair share for the level of work and what they produce

[stone granite]

Does Veeva zoom call to reject? I got another mail to book a call with the talent manager that I met last week for a behavioral round.

[teal jackal]

I got a phone call to reject

spontaneous phone call

since I had an immediate offer deadline that day

[stone granite]

Even my friend got the random phone call to reject.

[teal jackal]

Ah, so spontaneous call = reject

scheduled call = ?????

possible offer?

anyways good luck

[stone granite]

He thought it was a scam call so he didn’t pick up but the next moment he got a mail and yep it was the recruiter trying to call him

It’s weird because they only reached out to one of my two references (second reference was suddenly unavailable and I gave an alternate reference).

[pine topaz]

@pulsar mural did you know when u get income taxed, the feds give it back to lockheed martin

[sonic coral]

Yeah so that means every company is equally likely to layoff even outside tech

[outer radish]

cap, if you look at the recent jobs report, the amount of jobs in the US has actually grown outside of tech

its literally tech eating the shitter

people are still spending despite the increased interest rates

[teal jackal]

I don't think a general recession this year is impossible

[sonic coral]

I’m just saying McKinsey laying off is a sign a lot of companies might decide to just layoff for shits n gigs

[teal jackal]

the job growth numbers look good as numbers, but if you actually look at the type of jobs

[outer radish]

yeah, the inflation rate hasnt even gotten close to the 2% that the fed is looking to aim at

so killings will continue until morale improves

[teal jackal]

but i do agree with you that rn its just us suffering

[random seal]

Anybody know where I can find an example of a system design for an internet company?

[pine topaz]

unemployment rate is stil very low too; still anlong way from a boom cycle again

[random seal]

Because I have a system design interview, and I want to model out cases where it might be a similar use case

[dawn sequoia]

check pinned in #system_design

[stray imp]

Does indeed have good postings?

[fallen fox]

what do you have to do to get an interview

lmao i cant get any

[vagrant escarp]

i think it may be harder for u because u need sponsorship

[fallen fox]

[vagrant escarp]

even without sponsorship its hard xD

[foggy vortex]

I've been only able to land interviews with local company's

[vagrant escarp]

i just found out i passed smoothstack's coding OA but then did a google search and found out they are a company like antra

[fallen fox]

i did barclay's oa last night

idk was probably the hardest oa i ever did

or maybe im dumb

[vagrant escarp]

ah ima apply to barclay

[foggy vortex]

it might end up okay tho my friend did smooth stack and he works remote for Accenture

[vagrant escarp]

do they have a NG position?

[fallen fox]

yea

june start

[vagrant escarp]

yeah idk how i feel about these IT consulting companies

rather just work for the source

[fallen fox]

accenture is okay

[vagrant escarp]

if i had no college experience i would be more open to it

[fallen fox]

pays nice as well

[foggy vortex]

same. i'll consider them if i don't find anything in 4 months LOL

[fallen fox]

i cant even get an interview from accenture

i applied twice

[foggy vortex]

me

[vagrant escarp]

cuz i heard they take a big chunk out of ur paycheck to train you

[foggy vortex]

i think it's like 10k a year for 2 years from his accenture contract? he landed it a year ago tho so i don't know the details of the program today

[vagrant escarp]

@fallen fox did u just apply to the normal software developer role?

or was it a new grad position?

[vagrant escarp]

10k a month?

[pulsar mural]

@vagrant escarp

[fallen fox]

it was a junior level role i think

[foggy vortex]

once a year iirc. not too sure how they decide to collect it

[vagrant escarp]

can u link me <3

[pulsar mural]

no

Dan

[fallen fox]

i applied like two months ago; I can't find the link anymore

[vagrant escarp]

bro barclays site is so asss

they need better developers

the process to submitting an application is so shit

[fallen fox]

yeah they use taleo

its pretty bad

[vagrant escarp]

like its so slow....

[fallen fox]

you get an auto oa with an iq test 💀

[vagrant escarp]

ill pass

[fallen fox]

along with a personality + culture fit test

[vagrant escarp]

i have a 250 IQ

[fallen fox]

then a coding test 💀

[pulsar mural]

No u don’t

[fallen fox]

annoying as fuck

[vagrant escarp]

yes i do

[pulsar mural]

yea ur annoying as fuck Dan

[fallen fox]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-cmonbruh-gif-25764957

[vagrant escarp]

yeah nvm fk barclay

[pulsar mural]

hop off my DICK Dan

[vagrant escarp]

the site is too slow

[pulsar mural]

@vagrant escarp

[vagrant escarp]

ddint realize i was on it, felt nothing

[fossil jewel]

no one likes u idiot

[grizzled bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-pablo-lonely-alone-gif-12928789

[vagrant escarp]

gawttdamn im quittin everything to become a fisherman

[tardy geode]

nope not as hard as someone who requires sponsorship.

[prime palm]

Praying for you my brother

[autumn jolt]

Was this for new grad developer or Technology role ?

[fallen fox]

developer analyst full time

[rain patio]

Depends on hiw many fishes u catch

[trail leaf]

does anyone know what the general role would be for this position?
https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/details/200445963/swift-platform-experience-screening-engineer

i've never heard of a screening engineer and it doesnt look like they do any software development

[neon perch]

Guys has anyone heard back from Barclays after doing their auto OA coding???

[grizzled bronze]

The Description section is very detailed in what this role is about

Looks to be more of a QA type role

Requires going outside though, dealbreaker

[potent meteor]

touch grass

[whole berry]

big oof fr fr

[teal jackal]

Got em

[outer radish]

anyone interview january or know their process

[dusky tapir]

Where

[cedar gulch]

hi

[shut crescent]

are u guys getting alot of interviews back atm

[cedar gulch]

A few

[tardy geode]

Nothing

[neon perch]

I don’t even know which companies are hiring man it’s so fked up man

[shut crescent]

damn

[pastel bane]

do you think data scientist can be considered as software development related experience?

[jaunty storm]

I’ve been pushing myself so hard lately. I never networked so hard in my life. 4 career fairs and company meetings almost everyday in between job fairs. My search radius expanded so far, I somehow managed to get an interview via zoom in Europe. Despite all of that, I’m still grinding the LC and polishing up the resume again.

I’m very tired. I’m writing cover letters again and working on a separate resume tailored for my other major.

Next I’m going to travel across the U.S. at various fairs to meet them in person. I’ll need to book my trip to Kansas City.

I might need to buy another suit.

[lone rapids]

How are you finding career fairs?

[jaunty storm]

I’m very relentless. I refresh my university’s job portal everyday. I search up any organization that I can think of. I try to figure out as many ways as I possibly can to meet these recruiters. The name of the game is to meet as many recruiters as humanly possible. I know of a number of fairs around the country and at least 3 virtual fairs this year. I plan to see them all.

November is a big one for me. I play my cards right in good headwinds, and it’s 100 interviews lined up.

[lone rapids]

U have 100 interviews lined up?

[lone rapids]

Got any offer?

[jaunty storm]

No. That’d be later this November hopefully.

[jaunty storm]

0

[prime palm]

What?

Sorry, just making sure you aren't getting scammed or anything, but having 100 interviews lined up 8/9 months from now, sounds really bizarre to me

Who's making these wild claims to you

Like, what companies are saying "hey in 8 months we totally got you for an interview"

[idle stump]

20 interviews on a good day and maybe 2+ FANG internships.

for me, careers fair led to nothing this year. Companies just provide the link to apply for jobs. Never heard back

[prime palm]

^

Greylock was useless for me this year

[idle stump]

It honestly was a waste of time

Got 12 shirts though, felt like shopping for spring lol

[prime palm]

LOL

[teal jackal]

shit year?

even the career fairs like greylock suck now

[tardy geode]

https://tenor.com/view/2omb-prayge-gif-24836247

[teal jackal]

[livid yew]

@tardy geode

[jaunty storm]

It’s a job fair with a lot of companies showing up.

It’s a job fair for NSBE

Are you guys telling me that it’s not worth it?

I'm gonna keep track and see if those 2 November conferences can get me a crazy amount. Hopefully, I don't have to wait until then to go.

2x internships not fangs. 2x bachelors however and previous full time work in a past life.

It could be better, but 2 years is a tough grind for CS start to finish.

[prime palm]

I've had friends go to grace hopper and maybe get 4-8 interviews max

And grace hopper is OP as fuck

100 interviews?? You won't get an interview at every company there

At the fair

[jaunty storm]

Oh no. The fairs have become that stingy?

[prime palm]

No it's just..unrealistic to expect such a high number lol

[jaunty storm]

I was predicting 600 companies.

I won’t even match the expectations from 2021?

[prime palm]

If you can get 100 interviews by going to this career fair I will kiss the ground you walk on

Just try to ground your expectations

[jaunty storm]

I have to go and try. I know recruiters will be there.

[prime palm]

Yeah of course

But I'm saying you have a really unrealistic expectation

Like you're flying, getting a suit, finding accommodations, etc.

Don't want you to be like, that disappointed if you got like a dozen interviews maybe

But honestly keep me updated id love to know how it went for you

[jaunty storm]

US. I apply outside the county for fun sometimes. Some how they called back for once.

[jaunty storm]

Alright. I’ll share my endeavors.

[prime palm]

Yeah I was gonna say like

I've done 4 internships and 3 were big N

From August - December I had maybe 11 interviews max

[jovial latch]

career fairs are bullshit, companies never respond back or follow up

[prime palm]

To ask for 100 you have to be like a 5x quant swe intern published papers

I'm curious what higher than faang is, like quants?

[jovial latch]

the only 2 that did respond back so far were govt/defense contractors

which is just fucking weird

[jaunty storm]

It really is a numbers game. I’ve seen people with minimal experience make it look easy.

[prime palm]

Bro works at rentech

[jaunty storm]

I need to keep working on my project.

[prime palm]

Nah tbh idk

One of my friends swindled an apple interview by dming someone on like twitter

Lol

No it was bad

Like really bad

This recruting cycle was awful

[jaunty storm]

Yeah. Apply the same day or it’s game over.

[jaunty storm]

My resume is much stronger than last year’s and I got way less now.

[late kestrel]

its a preparation game, apply at the right time with the right experience and a lil luck

[jaunty storm]

I’m not even aiming for anything close to fang.

I applied to the 45K job in Florida.

[prime palm]

Job's a job

Fuck no lol

Eh prob cause I have legal complications

[chrome coral]

bruh id make that job my new religion

[prime palm]

Move to US, get fired, 60 days to find a job (not a US citizen) etc

[nova reef]

all the pre-dpo seniors at blox are

most of hopped post dpo tho

or around that corner

some of them have to

[tardy geode]

hopium is the only hope

[late kestrel]

[eternal hatch]

Guys, is it bad to start on 7/3 considering it's a day before the holiday?

[stuck moat]

Why not get the next day paid

[fallen fox]

real?

[crystal delta]

i never get any response from the non tech companies tbh

wouldnt be surprised if this is true to some degree

[late kestrel]

yeah its probably true somewhat. recruiters at non tech want you to fit their job description perfectly

[atomic oxide]

I would also say that a lot of companies outside of the top 50 CS ones care more about interpersonal skills than just CS project and tech skills alone.

[vagrant escarp]

anyone here apply to epic systems?

or have been through the process

[atomic oxide]

I did

[stone granite]

That’s for sure. When I did my interview for intel. My mentor did not ask any LC. We just talked about my research and how it relates to the work being done on the team.

[neon perch]

people who graduated in December 2022, what are you guys doing to find roles?

[vagrant escarp]

U get the job?

[atomic oxide]

No - I gave up when they needed a 3 hour block for the final round

[vagrant escarp]

Why’s that?

3hr block isn’t too extreme of an ask

[atomic oxide]

^Fair. I was already not a fan after the OA took a decent amount of time with random IQ tests

Didn't feel like a 3 hour long interview was worth it for a company I probably wouldn't go to.

[muted girder]

epic systems is one of the better offers right now if you factor in COL imo

[atomic oxide]

Also, my friend at U-Wisc had some "horror stories" about Epic

[vagrant escarp]

Their pay looks decent and it’s in Wisconsin with low cost of living

[late kestrel]

health tech is such a bad industry

[atomic oxide]

Oh definitely agreed. Their TC is amazing for where they're located.

[late kestrel]

none of the companies r worth it at all

cerner is shit

[atomic oxide]

Eh I wouldn't say that.

[vagrant escarp]

How come?

[atomic oxide]

IF you can work at Genentech or Pfizer or something in SF

You'll be making good money

[late kestrel]

sorry i mean like medical software

[muted girder]

when I was talking to Epic the engineer I talked to said he stayed there for 5+ years off of grad because the WLB was amazing or something

the only problem is things move extremely slow and it's massive refactoring of outdated systems basically

[vagrant escarp]

Wait why is medical software a bad industry?

[vagrant escarp]

And what horror stories?

I’m in the process rn so I’m curious lol

[atomic oxide]

From everything I've heard, the turnover is pretty high at Epic and most people leave after 2 years with experience. It's not as bad for engineers, but I hear PMs and release leads can work up to 70-80 hours per week.

[night marsh]

I mean that's more on health itself than health tech

US Healthcare is dogshit

[atomic oxide]

Also a lot of medical software is stuck in legacy code because you don't want to accidentally kill someone

So unless you get a new project, you're stuck in the gov't/defense contractor problem where you're studying code that won't translate to other cs jobs

[late kestrel]

yeah its all bad

[vagrant escarp]

Bad in what way? Like low pay?

Cuz their salary on Glassdoor doesn’t look too bad

[late kestrel]

its not all unlike tech at banks; slow, outdated, usually lower pay, minimal growth opportunities

[vagrant escarp]

It’s slightly below fanng in base but still higher than most jobs atm

[late kestrel]

epic is for sure one of the better ones, downsides are full in office and their campus is in the middle of no where

[vagrant escarp]

I think I saw like 120k

[late kestrel]

nice campus tho it looks rly cool

[vagrant escarp]

Yeah I visited their campus a while back and it had google vibes

[muted girder]

their campus lowkey is atrocious

[vagrant escarp]

How come?

[late kestrel]

too bad its like 30m outside of madison

[atomic oxide]

They use a high base pay to get people to come to the middle-of-nowhere Wisconsin

Where the only thing to do after work is hang out with U-Wisc students at college bars

[vagrant escarp]

Do they have stock?

[night marsh]

I mean in terms of US Healthcare

It's very meh

Honestly with this market I can't be super picky rn lol, getting rejected from places where I have the valid experience on the requirements. It's just that competitive now

[muted girder]

some people have been getting 150k-170k range fy comp

[atomic oxide]

I think Epic is privately held

[vagrant escarp]

Yeah I mean if I get an offer from epic I’ll most likely take it

In a better climate I can afford to be pickier but their salary is already above average

Don’t really care if I have to move to the middle of nowhere

[night marsh]

Same here

At this point I'll just be happy for a job

[lone copper]

Has anyone ever got an email with a hackerrank test for a job but nothing else? Like no info on the date and the email doesn't have a deadline

It just says the duration

[grizzled bronze]

Yes, some companies just email out a HackerRank. It might have an email in the "reply-to" that you can reach out to ask about deadline if you don't see any in the HackerRank.

[teal jackal]

Epic systems is kinda goofy

[teal jackal]

some might like this campus environment but I think it's hella uncomfortable looking

I need modernist and airy with big windows

not whatever this is

[teal jackal]

Epic systems beats nothing for sure

[sonic coral]

Some shit from shrek

[rigid quail]

ngl making that much money in Wisconsin is pretty clutch

you live a bit of a boring 2-3 years, get promoted and save 75% of your TC and jump ship afterwards

[errant karma]

I just went outside for the first and I don’t like it. Back to the grind

[teal jackal]

I did hear though that Epic systems is modernizing their tech stack

which is really good news

[rigid quail]

definitely a win if you’re newgrad too you can just party with college kids since y’all are still around the same age

[night marsh]

Can I say that I'm the biggest idiot of the day (if not the semester)?
I didn't know Handshake had a messaging function and found out that there were a ton of recruiters reaching out, I just never saw them 🤦🏽‍♂️

[rigid quail]

if you’re desperate for some social interaction beyond the office ^

[night marsh]

True @rigid quail

[livid yew]

I spent 2 years in Wisconsin

It's not that bad

You international peeps and costal peeps are in such a bubble

[atomic oxide]

Lol I've spent 3 years in Cleveland and a year in KC

Wisconsin is bad - unless all you like is cheese and the Packers

Especially when the cold weather comes in

[livid yew]

As a Illinois native I'm used to all of that

[atomic oxide]

Yeah I actually really like the Midwest, but you can't argue there's many cities in the Midwest better than Wisconsin (Denver, Chicago, even Kansas City)

[livid yew]

Oh for sure

Minneapolis is meh

[sonic coral]

Colorado is Midwest??

[livid yew]

Green Bay is trash

No

No Colorado is not Midwest

[sonic coral]

I’d have considered Colorado like in between midwest and west coast tbh

[livid yew]

Mounties

Considering it's mountain time

[sonic coral]

I guess it’s pnw

[livid yew]

It's whatever you want it to be

[grizzled bronze]

Shit, I'm sorry you had to suffer through that

[sonic coral]

I’ve never heard of mid Atlantic tho lmao

[livid yew]

No worries I'd go back

Fuck the city tbh

[sonic coral]

Always thought that was northeast

[livid yew]

Too loud for me

Too much unknown

In the Midwest, it's quite and expected

Quiet

[sonic coral]

https://cdn.mappr.co/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/us-regions-map-census.jpg

Theres also this

[livid yew]

[sonic coral]

Get outta Philly lol

[late kestrel]

come to nyc

[livid yew]

Fuck city

Tbh I really don't like it

[lone rapids]

Had a call scheduled 15 mins ago, they never called

[livid yew]

Cheddy accept my request to connect

[fallen fox]

what company?

[late kestrel]

tf r u talking ab

[livid yew]

Ab?

Also oh I see it's accepted lol

You zoomers with abbreviations

[tardy geode]

😭

[late kestrel]

stfu makes typing in class easier

[livid yew]

Just graduate already

[late kestrel]

also... i sent u the request yesterday so im just lost

[livid yew]

[grizzled bronze]

Follow up right away with your recruiter if you haven't heard back yet

[lone rapids]

They rescheduled fortunately

[rain patio]

Accept my ig follow request

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/972617781910597682/1069073877839396976/1066097230299287572.gif

[late kestrel]

@rain patio GTFO

GTFO

GTFO

GTFO

GTFO

[rain patio]

STFU

STFU

STFU

STFU

[late kestrel]

@rain patio

[rain patio]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/972617781910597682/1068322551828316251/1066097230299287572.gif

[late kestrel]

thats it @rain patio

imma follow u on ig brb

[tardy geode]

[rain patio]

[late kestrel]

ok sent @rain patio

accept accept accept

[tardy geode]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1004741311175327824/1047370395818410044/maxwell-1.gif

[late kestrel]

[rain patio]

Waitttt how tf did u find

💀

[late kestrel]

LMAO

[rain patio]

BRUH

Tell me rn how u found

[west egret]

your desk is next

[late kestrel]

good guess

[rain patio]

wtf

Theres no fucking way

Cuz im anon on discord

I need answers

Before i accept

[late kestrel]

idc if u accept u have 0 posts bozo

[rain patio]

Wtfffffff

tell me

How

RN

[late kestrel]

[rain patio]

THERES NO WAY

NO TELL ME

[late kestrel]

look at this guy

[rain patio]

NOW

HOW

IVE NEVER SHARED ANY INFO

IM ANON

[west egret]

lmao

[rain patio]

IM CONFUSED AF