2023_grads

[marsh sand]

that's a good point; thanks 🙂

[lilac flare]

is this Sony?

[tardy geode]

yeah big tech Fortune 500 .

[ivory stratus]

Yeah i shoulda taken advantage when i lived there to learn it

[tardy geode]

bro my manager and mentor are not replying . i literally made a whole tool during my internship . everything from scratch right from architecting it and developing it. i worked my ass off and delivered . still no return offer idk why . i was depressed until a month after my internship .

and they are even using that tool now and then one of the other engineers with whom i am touch with was saying

its just heartbreaking to not get credit for your work. all my time during the internship i was getting positive feedback then my manager breaks the ice by telling i won't be getting a rto coz they require "specifics skills and exp" ffs the whole team was using the tech stack that i used to build that tool. that made me so mad

seems like i ended up under a shit manager

FML

[ivory stratus]

yeah, seems like they wanted cheap labor and someone to do bitch work or something

that's so dumb

[dense cloud]

i think the longest they would take would be 1 week, the turnaround time after HM is typically short

[green pendant]

+1 from what I've heard 4-5 business days is what it takes

[marsh sand]

I see; do you think longer time is generally good?

I’ll email my recruiter tomorrow

[signal ore]

I accepted a full time offer last semester in New York, but I realized I’m barely gonna be able to save money there. Where can I look for better opportunities?

[marsh sand]

I see; I thankfully haven’t received that yet

[signal ore]

I don’t really know where to find new jobs

[west egret]

Where was 140k mentioned?

But 140k is more than comfortable

[ivory stratus]

esp considering you don't need a car, parking, insurance

[livid yew]

140 is really good tbh

You can do a lot

Invest some of it, and grow it

[signal ore]

The base salary is 110 though

It’s just a 30k bonus

For first year

[west egret]

Yeah I’m checking an income tax calculator and take home is like 78k even while maxing 401k lol

[ivory stratus]

yeah that's not bad at all

[west egret]

If a single person can’t live off 78k a year, something is wrong

[signal ore]

Rent there is minimum 2.5-3k

[ivory stratus]

i make around 60k after taxes (i have some debt though) and i live pretty decently

[ivory stratus]

if you have no debt though that's still not bad

[west egret]

Where are you looking?

[ivory stratus]

idk about ops situation but

plus you can get a housemate or something and it would prob be cheaper than that

[west egret]

I see studios in LIC for like 1.7-1.8k

[livid yew]

Yeah I mean you just need to maybe rethink yor lifechoices

Like need to spend less on random stuff

[teal jackal]

cuz i really wanna buy a new manual trans hot hatch

[ivory stratus]

imo there need to be financial counselors for new grads

like

[teal jackal]

god i need to stfu about cars

Lol

[ivory stratus]

in nyc?

[livid yew]

Car is dumb in city

[timber rock]

3k rent on 72k take home still leaves you with 3.5k a month lol

[teal jackal]

manhattan is hell for cars

[livid yew]

• Walk
• Bike
• Public Transit

All better optics @teal jackal

[ivory stratus]

yeah but spending 50% on rent is wild

[timber rock]

Agreed

[ivory stratus]

that's a lot of money towards rent

[rain patio]

just don't live in manhattan

[teal jackal]

economy moment eh

3.5k to feed yourself, save for "Retirement", have fun and not bore yourself to death, emergency savings, yadda yadda yadda

i mean lots of people make it work

[ivory stratus]

yeah

[teal jackal]

but half your income on rent is kinda brutal

[ivory stratus]

yeah

[rain patio]

bro i mean this is right out of college

[ivory stratus]

25% is like

goal

[teal jackal]

id consider that a slightly tight life tbh

[west egret]

In this economy, I’m saving more

[timber rock]

Not familiar with american stuff but isn't 401k the retirement thing

[teal jackal]

yeah

[ivory stratus]

yeah exactly

[timber rock]

The guy said 72k after maxing 401k

[teal jackal]

401k and roth shit

thats pretty good then

DAMN tahts good
Im not planning on maxing out my 401k immediately

[ivory stratus]

you should

you really should lol

[west egret]

78k actually lol

[ivory stratus]

401k is dumb free money

and the investment is insane if you start maxing out asap

[livid yew]

I'm planning on maxing mine once I have decent emergency fund

[ivory stratus]

trust me

[timber rock]

I can't read

[teal jackal]

my company doesnt have 401k match but im still free to invest in it for myself

[ivory stratus]

that blowwwwwws

[livid yew]

Sadge

[ivory stratus]

idk if mine (hopeful company) does or not

[teal jackal]

"the base salary makes up for it"

[livid yew]

We have 6% Match

[west egret]

But basically same thing. If your 401k is maxed, you’re at the very least okay on saving for retirement.

[ivory stratus]

exactly

[teal jackal]

apparently the max contribution is 22.5k a year

hmm

[livid yew]

I have 401K and Roth IRA

[ivory stratus]

then you can invest in other stuff for early retirement if it allows

[west egret]

78k is a lot to budget for having fun, eating out and not overly depriving yourself.

[teal jackal]

im kinda glad washington state doesnt do state tax LOL

but the sales tax 🥶

[ivory stratus]

yeahhhh lol

[signal ore]

I got no choice. The shittiest places in NYC are still 2k minimum

[teal jackal]

seattle's 11% sales tax is WILD

i internally gasped at the sales tax my first day there

when i was buying toothpaste

[ivory stratus]

yeah but you could find a housemate. but still 3.5k after rent is still a lot even after maxing 401k

[ivory stratus]

bro that's not bad at all lol.

our income tax in hawaii is WILD

[teal jackal]

im not surprised

tbh

[west egret]

Bro I’m literally seeing places in LIC for 1.8k rn lol

[ivory stratus]

my mom makes 150k a year

only sees 100k of it

[west egret]

It’s not a luxury apartment but it’s not 2.5-3k

[ivory stratus]

nah spent it all curing blindness

[teal jackal]

does the federal gubmint deduct the social security and medicare fee as part of the tax

[rain patio]

mr beast can you cashapp me

[ivory stratus]

i give it away so fast that i barely make anything

[teal jackal]

mr beast can u give away a corolla gr for me to win

[ivory stratus]

you guys dont watch my interviews do you

[signal ore]

LIC is 2 hour drive from Manhattan or Jersey City which is where I will be working

[west egret]

Google maps says 37 mins

less if you take train

are you using bing for these estimates?

[sonic coral]

Even a drive lmao it’s like half an hour in traffic at most

[west egret]

LIC is literally next to Manhattan

[teal jackal]

anyways after the federal gubmint steals taxes away a shit ton of money i estimate ill have $100k in cash from $140k

[sonic coral]

Hell Staten Island is only an hour away from downtown in traffic, 20-30 min without so LIC is prob like 10-15 most of the time

[livid yew]

What is LIc?

[rain patio]

long island city

[livid yew]

[rain patio]

fake manhattan

manhattan on budget

[livid yew]

Lol

[signal ore]

Oh, weird lol, it says 2 hours for me

[west egret]

Bro I put it at walking

[west egret]

and it's still only 1.5 hours LMAO

[sonic coral]

That’s cap lmao the shittiest places are def like 1.2k but we’re talking real shitty

[rain patio]

bro its long island CITY

not long island

[sonic coral]

[livid yew]

They are different?

Oh

I would have made the same mistake

[signal ore]

I didn’t know that lol

[timber rock]

bro commutes by horse and carriage

[signal ore]

My bad

[sonic coral]

My guy thought LIC is LI 💀

[livid yew]

Hey he is new rob

[rain patio]

happens lol

[signal ore]

I’m sorry I’m dumb

[rain patio]

naming can be weird

[west egret]

Is 1.8k in LIC area enough to be relatively safe and not shitty apartments?

[timber rock]

i love long island city, new york city, new york

[sonic coral]

Uh prob not tbh

[west egret]

for a studio specifically

[sonic coral]

Yeah

[rain patio]

yeah 1.8 seems pretty cheap

[teal jackal]

1.8k sounds sus low to me

[sonic coral]

So the cheaper parts of LIC are the ones closer to Astoria

[west egret]

I don't care for overly luxurious place as long as it's safe and building isn't falling apart

[sonic coral]

The parts close to the waterfront or greenpoint are mad expensive (hunters point and whatnot)

[livid yew]

[livid yew]

Luxury is nice tho

[signal ore]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking, they people in the JPMC discord say they pay around 2.5-3k in rent so that’s why I estimated that

[sonic coral]

If you’re working in midtown and your budget is 1.8k you’ll get pretty far in Astoria

By pretty far I mean it’ll be a good place

Not distance lol

As in your money will go far

[rain patio]

but why would you want astoria

[sonic coral]

If you work in midtown it’s a good idea

[west egret]

That’s pretty much my situation

[livid yew]

It looks nice

[sonic coral]

Yeah bro finance kids are wildin lmao

[west egret]

All BB offices in midtown area

[livid yew]

Y'all have company discords?

[rain patio]

is there like a good route specific between the two ? midtown and astoria?

[livid yew]

That is sussy

[sonic coral]

I would look at midtown east, LIC, Astoria, Yorkville, sunnyside, Jackson heights on streeteasy

[sonic coral]

Yeah I mean you have the MRNW mainly

Depending on where in Astoria maybe even the E

[west egret]

But 1.8-2.3k is good for LIC/Astoria?

[sonic coral]

LIC is likely gonna be 2k+ for the parts close to Astoria

The other parts of LIC are more like 2.4k+

[rain patio]

id look into the express bus routes next to bb

[sonic coral]

Yeah but that’s gonna add up lol

$8 extra a day

[fossil jewel]

LIC is a nice area

[sonic coral]

It’s just mad expensive now

[fossil jewel]

ye

[west egret]

Where are you gonna be at?

[fossil jewel]

oh im commuting from home

[rain patio]

you save it back in rent

based oreos

[fossil jewel]

my rent isnt too bad

[sonic coral]

Yeah but if you get a place along the 7

Like Jackson heights and sunnyside is pretty cheap

[fossil jewel]

plus train is 40 minutes, and 30 minute walk

[rain patio]

some stops you cant get on

like u have to fight to get on

[west egret]

8 x 30 = 240/month

[fossil jewel]

yeah the 7 is shit

[rain patio]

and you get squished like crqzy

[fossil jewel]

do you know if you'd be hybrid?

[sonic coral]

Oh lmao yeah but ya know that’s the authentic experience

[fossil jewel]

oh if you live by the F train

[west egret]

3 days office, 2 day remote but I might just go in more the first year

[sonic coral]

If you don’t go sardine mode every once and a while are you even a New Yorker

[fossil jewel]

it would take you close to the office

lex and 63rd

[west egret]

I think every company in NYC with a certain employee count has commuter benefits

Like you can use pre-tax money for commuting

[sonic coral]

@west egret what do you want your commute to be under in terms of minutes

[west egret]

honestly anything 30 mins and under is fine with me

[livid yew]

Yep

Although I use pretax money for parking costs

[sonic coral]

Queens is prob your best bet then, Brooklyn to midtown is closer to 45

[fossil jewel]

ye check around the queens areas close to F or N lines

[sonic coral]

Also check Yorkville it’s pretty cheap for UES and comparable to Astoria sometimes

Just maybe a lil smaller apartments

[livid yew]

Damn MTA is goated

[west egret]

Appreciate it. I'll be looking in Astoria prob.

[livid yew]

Compared to CTA or SEPTA, y'all are cracked

[fossil jewel]

its an old system

nope

whats happening

[teal jackal]

Man I am so NOT A city person

[sonic coral]

Yeah it’s best in the country but it’s still dogshit lmao

[teal jackal]

i do not like sardine style in train

[sonic coral]

Best we got tho

[livid yew]

Lmao

[sonic coral]

Wake up earlier / leave work later

But really if you work in NY the hard fact is you just gotta get used to crowds

[livid yew]

Yeah just be first person in office at 8am

[sonic coral]

You won’t survive otherwise

[fossil jewel]

WALK FAST

[rain patio]

everyone else is so slow

[fossil jewel]

[livid yew]

I mean get used to the smells and sights

It's not going anywhere

[sonic coral]

Catbox I saw that

[livid yew]

Shove down escalator?

[sonic coral]

Catbox just revealed that he’s an absolute menace on the streets

[teal jackal]

good fuck NIMBYism

[livid yew]

CA is a fucked state

[sonic coral]

Wait so is Cali getting actual density now?

[teal jackal]

I feel like more americans are accepting the high probability they wont own their own single family plot of land and house

[fossil jewel]

homeless problem in CA is pretty bad

[livid yew]

Idk a house/plot is still cheap in Midwest

[rain patio]

understatement

[sonic coral]

That’s actually pog tho

[fossil jewel]

its the worst

[sonic coral]

Mixed use ftw

Cali brownstones in 10 years

[livid yew]

Just live in Idaho

[fossil jewel]

tf is idaho

potato land

[livid yew]

[sonic coral]

Don’t they make potatoes

[livid yew]

Mf only knows Cali and NYc

You transplants

[fossil jewel]

bruh i been to other states

[rain patio]

sweet home alabama

[sonic coral]

So basically bay house prices gonna crash hard

[fossil jewel]

never been south

[teal jackal]

at least in HCOL cities

[fossil jewel]

you only know USA

[teal jackal]

and metro areas

[sonic coral]

And white people

[livid yew]

So don't live in HCOL or metro

[fossil jewel]

denver is nice

[sonic coral]

Denver seems op if you’re into outdoors

[west egret]

Oregon too

[sonic coral]

Same with Boulder

[teal jackal]

great idea! kinda wanna live in the deep south someday but i feel like im gonna get hella racially profiled there

[sonic coral]

Fuck em lmao

[fossil jewel]

im going to ohio soon

not meming

[neon perch]

Anyone knows some great consultancies in the US?

[livid yew]

It's a fine state

[sonic coral]

The Bay Area might become an actual metropolis now wow

[rain patio]

average ohio cat

[fossil jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/thesucky-thesuitedcat-orange-cat-average-orange-car-behaviour-orange-cat-moment-gif-26367889

[livid yew]

[sonic coral]

If the bay gets proper subway / transit they might actually rival nyc in 10 years

[teal jackal]

Ohio is overhated

its just the epitome of america

Ohio is literally the average of everything in america

[livid yew]

live in Alaska

[teal jackal]

ohio be like:

[livid yew]

I love average

[teal jackal]

average quality of life
average incomes
average economy

[sonic coral]

I thought the Ohio memes are just jokes lol

[teal jackal]

some people actually find the concept of ohio depressing lol

[sonic coral]

I mean the Midwest does seem kinda depressing if I’m honest

[livid yew]

It is

For sure

But some people like being depressed

[sonic coral]

Like what do you there besides redneck shit and drinking

[fossil jewel]

yeah im going to columbus

[livid yew]

Oh cold beer while watching tornado

Favorite activity of mine bro

Love storm watching

With a cold Busch light

[sonic coral]

I mentioned drinking lol

[livid yew]

Busch latte as they call it in Iowa

[fossil jewel]

tf is in iowa tho

real shit

[livid yew]

Massive Data Centers

[fossil jewel]

idaho at least got potatoes

[livid yew]

For Google, Amazon, Facebook

[fossil jewel]

vermont got the cheeese

[livid yew]

Wisconsin has cheese

[livid yew]

Fine just live in the city

[fossil jewel]

wisconsin got cheese too ye

[livid yew]

If you don't like slow lazy life

Iowa has uhh 🤔

[sonic coral]

Iowans

I guess

[livid yew]

Corn

Hey but true

[fossil jewel]

oh

[livid yew]

Maize

[fossil jewel]

yeahh i forgot about the corn

[rain patio]

cant spell IOWA without W

[teal jackal]

vermont is awesome

[livid yew]

I think like 70-80% of the countries pork comes from Iowa

[teal jackal]

vermont though doesnt like out of towners moving in for good

keep vermont the way it is meant to be

switzerland in america

[fossil jewel]

i mean most people dont know it exists

or wyoming

the dakotas are kinda dead

they mostly have reservations afaik

[fossil jewel]

damn its one pretty state

[teal jackal]

im gonna miss vermont a lot when i leave massachusetts for seattle

same with maine and cape cod

[livid yew]

Bruh

What

[tardy geode]

[rain patio]

i thought vermont was virginia

[fossil jewel]

bruh american peeps suck at geography

[teal jackal]

i mean nobody needs it

[livid yew]

You telling me most Americans don't know their own states

[teal jackal]

burlington vermont is a very beautiful little city

has a cute downtown

[fossil jewel]

outside of the ones they live and go to school in, yes

[rain patio]

pretty sure most americans don't even know they're americans

[fossil jewel]

💀

[teal jackal]

honestly new england = only part of america ill ever have any affinity for

everywhere else in the usa is a foreign country idgaf about

[fossil jewel]

east coast best coast

[rain patio]

east coast best coast

[teal jackal]

that applies to the rest of the east coast too

[marsh sand]

Youtube had to get load balancers just for mr beast

[green pendant]

Can I ask why?

[teal jackal]

cuz i grew up here and never moved since

went to college here even

[jovial latch]

You know today I woke up more angry than usual at the state of the market and how I don't have a job

Blegh

[timber rock]

why is a company rejecting me at 9pm

mfs working overtime

[jovial latch]

Try 4 am

[teal jackal]

valid

[fossil jewel]

prehaps us based hr

[west egret]

Yeah 4:23 pm in east coast

[timber rock]

yeah just found out its an american company

thatll be it

[teal jackal]

interesting

british role processed in american time

[grizzled bronze]

When does 2023 new grad recruiting actually begin?

[late kestrel]

i graduated in 1999. am i too early to be applying for jobs?

[livid yew]

[gray dagger]

Wait recruiting is going to happen this year??

[ivory stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/never-will-smith-no-nope-no-way-gif-17767132

[prime palm]

About 5 months ago

[ivory stratus]

lol 2023 recruiting

"we have an offer for you. it's called unemployment"

[tardy geode]

"unfortunately due to maCrOEconoMic conditions your offer is rescinded"

[ivory stratus]

"unfortunately due to big papi CEO needing his dollar bucks, we can't afford your cheap ass"

for the next 5 minutes, im giving offers to anyone who reacts to this comment, but if you guys go over 50, nobody gets anything

check out my video next week

that would be some good content

https://tenor.com/view/flirty-eyes-raised-eyebrow-yes-gif-12233915

what kinda job we talkin bout @tardy geode

[tardy geode]

bruhhh

damnnn

i saw a director getting laid off

when will this axing even stop ffs

[grizzled bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/salesforce-trailblazer-ohana-smile-wave-gif-16748465

[fossil jewel]

think they didnt reach their layoff target

[neon perch]

goddamnit fk these layoffs

[smoky star]

Layoff target not reach? Lol

Please say you are kidding

[tardy geode]

return offers they won't rescind tho , i don't think so.

[west egret]

I have a friend starting there this coming Monday too

[fossil jewel]

i think they still overhired a bit no?

maybe they just had too many boomers

[smoky star]

At least FAANG have finished their layoff, don't they?

[tardy geode]

I can't afford to do a 2nd masters plus have a fricking loan on my head FML this is mentally draining me everyday to a point that i wake up sweaty with anxiety

[fossil jewel]

make headcount for ng

[tardy geode]

FUC COVID FFS

😭

[west egret]

I mean COVID led to the increased HC over the last 2 years didn’t it?

[tardy geode]

COVID is the root cause of all this shit

[fossil jewel]

temp increase

[tardy geode]

if there was no covid things would be what was like before

[fossil jewel]

companies just got too stupid

[tardy geode]

is it that feds dropped interests rate to a stooping low so they over hired?

[fossil jewel]

money printer was going

[tardy geode]

now feds increasing interest rate which they are unable to bear

[smoky star]

Is it confirmed that at least FAANGMULA+ have done with the layoffs?

[tardy geode]

MSFT gonna do layoffs till march end

[west egret]

How would it ever be confirmed? Not like those companies all meet up to decide if there’s been enough layoffs.

[gray dagger]

Meta laid off people to save money and bought back their own stock worth $40B

It’s all rigged

[fossil jewel]

can never know

[gray dagger]

They’re gonna keep doing layoffs till they can get whatever stock they gave the employees

[fossil jewel]

we dont see future

[west egret]

We wouldn’t need LC if we could. Just go brrrrr on stocks or buy lotto tickets.

[smoky star]

If people can't get job now, the number of unemployed tech folks will just accumulate. We are producing hundred of thousands new grads/boot campers annually, the fed must have a plan, they can't raise the interest rate forever.

IT will only get brutal, supply is increasing, but companies refuse to open doors for NGs

[tardy geode]

the fed is on cocaine rn

[smoky star]

Its unfair

[tardy geode]

already the market is bloated , i know international dec 2022 grads not getting anything . its like even if they reach the final they getting rejected

its that bad

[smoky star]

Yes, even for like rock star students from T10 schools

Many of them can't find a job, and they will give up and leave the country

[tardy geode]

yeah

[smoky star]

Engineers and tech folks like us were the ones who built the empires like FAANG which have brought trillions dollars to the economy

Lol

[fossil jewel]

in the grand scheme of things, you're just a number

[smoky star]

I am just a dot

[fossil jewel]

to gov, to jobs

[smoky star]

But for one generation it is not

[jovial latch]

y'all be discovering how capitalism works

[smoky star]

Like people who are graduating in 2022 - 2024

All of them are fucked

[jovial latch]

ah yes hello

[fossil jewel]

i think in time things might fix themselves

[jovial latch]

eh, doubtful

[fossil jewel]

for the intl students i have no idea how things can be fixed

[tardy geode]

by loosening some visa rules but govt won't do that

[fossil jewel]

yeah visa rules are strict

[livid yew]

@tardy geode offer yet?>

[tardy geode]

bro why

[livid yew]

[tardy geode]

[livid yew]

you are still waiting?

[smoky star]

It takes at least 2 years for the market for NG to be reasonable again, and in that case, hundred of thousands people are already fucked

[fossil jewel]

do witch companies sponsor?

[tardy geode]

dude i haven't even got a OA

[tardy geode]

some do but some don't

[fossil jewel]

might as well sell ur soul for one

[tardy geode]

they need immediate joinees so gotta wait i guess

[fossil jewel]

they'll always need people i think

[tardy geode]

but they req like 5-6+ years of exp

[fossil jewel]

really

[tardy geode]

yeah

[fossil jewel]

no entry levels?

[tardy geode]

most roles

no i guess

coz they think more exp = more knowledge

[smoky star]

Nobody wanna train NG

Then what would happen in 5 years?

Who gonna be the seniors?

[tardy geode]

there are even people who pushed graduation for ng 2024 , ng 2024 gonna be insane and companies won't hire as before i feel as they got to know the consequences

[fossil jewel]

hiring interns is always cheaper

[smoky star]

Yes

[tardy geode]

i am talking about ft

[smoky star]

It will accumulate

[tardy geode]

not interns

[fossil jewel]

yeah if they're pushing grad 2024

[tardy geode]

interns is still happening

[fossil jewel]

they're trying to get an extra internship

[tardy geode]

and many did that too , like interning now to push to ng 2024

[smoky star]

Interns yearly are not accumulated, because they are eventually turning into NGs, but NGs/Freshers will accumulate for sure.
Like even people who c an't get a proper IT job for now, they will do side projects, taking part time job and keep trying until they do

They must stop this bs layoffs and barrier

[fallen fox]

i cant get a single interview lmao

100+ apps in January

not one interview

maybe rope

[tardy geode]

try consultancies or WITCH bro

[smoky star]

McKinsey pays really well

[fallen fox]

even witch rejected me

[smoky star]

Could you DM me how your resume looks like?

[gray dagger]

Witch don’t sponsor no visa

[neon perch]

Man literally, it just messed up every single shit from limiting university options from lockdown to this shitty recession

[wheat seal]

witch did layoffs

i think

https://www.desiqna.in/11619/infosys-employees-deadline-january-infosys-layoffs-recession

they laid off 5000

[wheat seal]

do you have projects/internships?

[fallen fox]

yea two; including one at oracle

also a few projects

[wheat seal]

wow nice

yea then thats extremely extremely strange

[fallen fox]

doesnt matter cant get interviews

[wheat seal]

i mean are u only applying to tech companies?

or companies outside of tech?

[fallen fox]

everywhere

[wheat seal]

visa / caterpillar?

[fallen fox]

i think i applied to visa last year when they opened up; didn't get an OA

[neon perch]

PhD?

[wheat seal]

are u dm'ing recruiters with linkedIn

or are u just cold applying

[fallen fox]

no bachelors

[fallen fox]

cold applying; i'm not on linkedin lol

[wheat seal]

yea cold applying rn is probably not going to be effective

are you using numbers and data points with your resume?

is the format clean?

[fossil jewel]

i mean they got into oracle, so it seems they can get a good position

[wheat seal]

i would try...

• messaging recruiters on linkedIn or emailing recruiters based on their company email
• using numbers and data points with your resume
• make sure resume format is as clean as possible

[wheat seal]

also did u intern at oracle?

[fallen fox]

yep in 2021

[neon perch]

Are universities accepting PHD applications?

[wheat seal]

Also check this out : #2023_grads message

[fallen fox]

thanks!

[wheat seal]

i mean if u got oracle u should be getting way more interviews

so it's a resume issue probably

and maybe you should try other approaches besides cold applying

[fallen fox]

yea

[fallen fox]

#1067237366990917682 message i posted my resume here a week or so ago

[nocturne oriole]

[wheat seal]

yea your Oracle section doesn't say any impact

and dont say participated

it sounds passive

imo

how many users did your project go out to

[fossil jewel]

https://hwpi.harvard.edu/files/ocs/files/hes-resume-cover-letter-guide.pdf

[wheat seal]

use metrics like that

[fallen fox]

thanks, i'm looking into that

[wheat seal]

use stronger words like developed

or other words that show you had impact for your org during ur internship

[wheat seal]

its super critical to have that

[jovial latch]

even if you do all that, shits so bad rn its basically rng

lol

[wheat seal]

i mean outside of tech

like health industry

travel industry

they seem to be doing a lot better

u have to make everything count

[jovial latch]

im just trying to find places that are still fucking hiring

[wheat seal]

ya I agree tho its rng

But you should make your resume perfect

though

so no recruiter passes on it

[jovial latch]

its pretty close to perfect at this point id think

[wheat seal]

cant u ask your mentor maybe

you had during ur internship

[wheat seal]

whose resume?

[jovial latch]

mine lol

[fallen fox]

laid off

[wheat seal]

wow

maybe your manager?

u had?

[fallen fox]

yeah i'm looking into that

a lot of the team got laid off

[wheat seal]

wow

[fallen fox]

[wheat seal]

i mean you could always make up a number

it doesn't have to be exact

[jovial latch]

i made up numbers on my resume

[wheat seal]

you just wanna show impact with metrics

also you should make it simple and easy to read

[jovial latch]

its just rng at this point
my resume is about as good as you can get for not having any faang internships

[wheat seal]

also the oracle section sounds super general

you should be more specific on what work you actually did

[fallen fox]

i'm reworking it

[west egret]

IMO remove gpa if it’s below a 3.5

[fallen fox]

did that 👍

[west egret]

Also include LinkedIn with your contacts. Phone number isn’t really needed either.

[jovial latch]

oh hey another one to add to the list

nice

[main condor]

if you have industry xp.. do u relaly need gpa?

[west egret]

If you have a few years of experience, prob not. But if you’re NG I don’t see any reason to not have it there assuming it’s 3.5 or higher.

[sonic coral]

https://tenor.com/view/another-one-bites-the-dust-queen-dance-dancing-gif-8171986

[jovial latch]

ill fuckin bite the dust at this rate

[neon perch]

So what’s the strategy to land an offer as a new grad?

[teal jackal]

have good prior internships

have good prestige from school and internships to pass resume screen

market your experiences well(projects, dev-related clubs, internships)

[west egret]

have social skills

[teal jackal]

also that

but i hate social skills

im planning on being a hikikomori outside of work when i graduate

[west egret]

Doesn't even have to be good. Just equivalent to an average human being.

[grizzled bronze]

Amazon
(2024)

[teal jackal]

I want to wage a holy war against all the sociopaths on earth but I do not like to put the majority of genuine people in the crosshairs
so I just should be a hikikomori and just refuse to participate in society

god that was a massive schizo post

[outer radish]

wow this server got everything

job talk, school talk, car talk, and holy war talk

[jaunty storm]

I went back to the drawing board and worked on where I needed to be better. I got my resume reviewed, scheduled a few mock interviews, and kept building up my resume. I'm also working on two projects one for fun and another for class. And I try to solve 1 LC a day.

If you think you're good now, then you can still be better tomorrow.

My biggest mistake was putting too much on my shoulders and trying to meet crazy high expectations, but the extra 6 months I could have will set me up very well for the next opportunity.

When you fail, make sure to come back stronger.

[thick cave]

Anybody make it to StackAdapt final round of interviews

[jaunty storm]

Not all of us were meant to be super stars. I know only 2/3 of people with my condition is unemployed across all fields. My mind wasn't built to succeed like others, but I made progress little by little by little. We all have our limits, but we can still work with it.

[smoky star]

Was posting in the wrong threads lol
But for NG in May 2023 or Dec 2022, what the best things we should do?
Applying does not really help, and if nobody hires then LC would be meaningless.
More projects? At least it gradually builds up the resume?

[thick cave]

I wouldn’t say leetcodes meaningless

There’s so many topics and like levels of difficulties so it’s worth it to stay up to date w LC, that way when u do get the opportunity for an OA or interview ur already ready

[jaunty storm]

I just find ways to keep coding. I'm interviewing to become a teacher to teach people python for fun.

[thick cave]

instead of cramming

learning modern and widely adopted tech is good too

[jaunty storm]

Yeah. I'm going to comeback with React and node js on the resume this time.

[thick cave]

Yea thosre super popular

Golang and c++ kinda goes crazy too

For back end

[smoky star]

Yeah

So like focus heavily on mastering 1 tech stack?

[gray dagger]

Hot take tech stack doesn’t matter

They’re tools to essentially build something

That something needs to be better

[smoky star]

its true for big companies, but not true for smaller/medium size ones

They could have interviews for specific stack and would need people who already mastered it

Actually even for big companies, have frequently seen requirements like: xxx years in Java/Ruby/blah blah

I'm talking about maximizing chance of getting offer, once we are in, they are just tools like you said

[jovial latch]

lot of the time its recruiters who put dumbass requirements and then just screen your resume and auto reject yo u

[smoky star]

ATS?

Like auto reject if the exp added up < x

[jovial latch]

yea something like that

[smoky star]

What a dumb and stupid and broken system

Why must it be so painful

[peak ferry]

eh tools matter. working with bad tools will result in you having a very bad time

[jovial latch]

true

though yea non technical recruiters suck ass

[chilly burrow]

Hot take it does to an extent

[jovial latch]

it does matter a bit ya

[smoky star]

Let's just focus on interview, not the actual job

Get offers first

I wouldn't mind work on Pascal if they pay me 300k

[jovial latch]

just learn .net then

[peak ferry]

for interviews I'd agree that it tends to matter not much for ng @ big companies, matters more for role specific things that are common at small companies

[chilly burrow]

I woud 🤢

[jovial latch]

eh if you wanna go that way learn .net and apply to non tech companies with legacy codebases lmao

[chilly burrow]

Node.js lol

[peak ferry]

yea I'm not taking a pascal job for 300k. don't know much about it, but I'm not getting boxed into fucking pascal in 2023 lmao

[chilly burrow]

Ye

They do

Node.js for backend wit TypeScript

[peak ferry]

I can assure you they do not pay 300k to ng to write shitty .net lmao, it's not even an obscure tech

[chilly burrow]

But if the work is interesting its worth imo

Like I find the work at the offer I hav interesting

[ivory stratus]

i dont care what i get as long as it transfers to other jobs

lmao

[chilly burrow]

Dats fair

[peak ferry]

is roblox c# shop? point is that it's not a legacy stack at a non tech corp lol

[jovial latch]

honestly though, tech stack doesnt do that much, i know a buncha languages and got em on my resume, companies just care bout the 1 or 2 languages they use

[chilly burrow]

I'm privileged 2 b abl 2 care tbh

[jovial latch]

done a bunch of interviews and usually they dont really care that im well rounded and can pick things up fast
its usually like 'are you an expert in the one language we use'

[chilly burrow]

Golang is so nice

[smoky star]

You guys are really picky
I just need offers

[chilly burrow]

Stripe tryna switch to Java tho

[peak ferry]

I accidentally'd myself into a c++ position, and every day I stray further from god.

not to say all c++ is bad, but like the codebase & infra internally is so fucking awful I'd be perfectly willing to take a decent pay cut to not deal with this

[jovial latch]

is scala used that much

[chilly burrow]

It is

[jovial latch]

thinking about learning ruby and go myself to tack on the resume

[nocturne oriole]

I have to encode streaming data into a graph in rust help me

[jovial latch]

ruby, go, and scala i guess

[chilly burrow]

For like data pipelines afaik

[jovial latch]

god

[chilly burrow]

Lern Go

[ivory stratus]

gotta get the big bucks somehow

[chilly burrow]

Go is so nice 🤤

[jovial latch]

like i already have fuckin java, python, c/c++, js, nodejs, apex, sql, typescript, bash, powershell, probably other things

but yea sure ill learn go lol

[peak ferry]

c++ is rude and shit in my cornflakes

[chilly burrow]

Dat seems lik a lot of exp already

[ivory stratus]

yeah fuck c++

[jovial latch]

i hate low level stuff but thats what all the god damn defense contractors use

[chilly burrow]

Tbh idt u need 2 lern Go just 2 tak on

[jovial latch]

so c++ questions i get

and pretend to love

[chilly burrow]

I hav nvr written a line of C++ 🤭

[jovial latch]

also know apex and a bit of salesfroce shiz lol

[peak ferry]

I like low level code. I fucking hate c++. fucking gods abomination

[jovial latch]

like yea im fuckin well rounded

[chilly burrow]

I hav read a bunch of C++ 😔

[peak ferry]

""quant bucks"" less than a rescinded tech offer I had rofl

[chilly burrow]

😭

[hot hatch]

all the real roblox homies like Lua

[chilly burrow]

They use Lua for scripting in the game engine, rite?

[peak ferry]

lmao me? no some random small shop

[hot hatch]

yeah

[jovial latch]

oh ffs i know a bit of lua too

lmao

[chilly burrow]

Walmart

[hot hatch]

back when I was a kid I would script games and guns

in Lua

[peak ferry]

smallest shop I love supporting small businesses

[smoky star]

What does the resumes of people who got into the likes of Roblox, Stripe during this session look like?????????????????????????????
Are you guys all from MIT/Stanford and ex FAANG?

[chilly burrow]

Self fulfilling prophecy

[chilly burrow]

Yea

[jovial latch]

twats

[chilly burrow]

Dats mean 😕

[gloomy terrace]

I’m all that but didn’t even get an interview

[chilly burrow]

I didn't get into Roblox or Stripe

[gloomy terrace]

Sup

Lol

Yep

Gonna go to kips tn

Haha amazing

It’s amazing

[smoky star]

I am willing to relocate to anywhere as long as I get a decent job lol

Applied to several companies, even with referral, but 0 interview

[jovial latch]

just rng at this point

not even any corrleation to competence or ability

otherwise id have a fuckin job by now

[smoky star]

Hopefully April will be better

Many people will have to leave in Mar

The ones on H1B from layoffs who can't get a new job after 90 days

[chilly burrow]

I kno 😔

I suk at deer medicine

I bought snap stock you proud?

[gloomy terrace]

Come back to berk

[chilly burrow]

But I'm down now...

[gloomy terrace]

Shit wack

Had lecture until five

[chilly burrow]

I'll wait for it to reach all time highs again

[gloomy terrace]

ooh bet

[smoky star]

Does the job market get better for 2YOE?
Or 2 YoE folks are equally fucked?
I am frequently told that after 2-3 years, people are flooded with messages from recruiters on LinkedIn

Sweet

Need to get that 2-3 YoE

Then we are good 2 go

[tardy geode]

equally messed up since laid off people would be prefered over 2yoe exp grads

smh

its a mess , a big one

[smoky star]

What a crappy time to be a NG in CS

[peak ferry]

almost every single one of my friends have had layoffs at their company.

[pulsar mural]

yo

[smoky star]

Friends, I hope whoever does not have an offer yet

Hang in there

I believe that April will be better

The layoffs must be over at some points

And the experienced folks who are on H1B, they might leave after 90 days, which is probably in around April

Must be at least some up trend in the job market during that period

[jovial latch]

copium
honestly im just prepared to not have a job upon graduation

[smoky star]

But its a fact also, there are hundred of laid off folks who are on 90 days clock.

Many of them would call it enough is enough and leave

They will be leaving in March - April after 90 days if we consider the layoffs in Dec, Jan

And I also believe that the big boys would have finished with their restructure at that time

Copium lol

[jovial latch]

id rather keep my expectations low rather than be disappointed by another rejection email

[smoky star]

Might I ask what your alternative plan is if this mess is not over soon?

Will you go to Grad school?

[jovial latch]

i have no plan im graduating in may with a bs and ms already LMAO

im fucked

[smoky star]

PhD?

Nah I am trolling

[jovial latch]

oh dear god no

[smoky star]

I am graduating in Dec 2023 or considering delaying it to 2024

[jovial latch]

what am i, rich?

[smoky star]

PhD is free dud

[jovial latch]

i also dont want to do one lol

[smoky star]

Yeah, its not for most of us

[neon perch]

2024

[pine topaz]

Hopefully, but daddy powel just increase rates again T_T

[green pendant]

Even then it'd only be by 0.25

And then that'd be the last most likely

[pine topaz]

fingers cross its the last, but inflation is still high and unemployment is sstill low from last reports

still got a long way to go down to back to normal ~2% inflation rates

@grizzled bronze finish your take

go to sleep @grizzled bronze i want you to get more than 3 hours of sleep

[green pendant]

kinda hard to get it down that low imo

but we definitely aren't far off from seeing ~4%

[pine topaz]

yeah but thats what the feds are targeting :l

[jovial latch]

Fuck the feds tbh lol

God forbid employees want more money

[pine topaz]

you can bring inflation down by taxing profits, having price controls, raising wages while also having price controls to avoid wage price spiral, etc but its not the best interest of ceo's and other investors who prioritizes $$$$ over ppl

[jovial latch]

yea i get how reality works

doesnt mean i aint gonna bitch about it

ya know i was watching a video just now on how silicon valley is a dystopia

[jovial latch]

i was aware of a lot of the problems but it really does put it into a new perspective

like, its just absurd that the only people that can afford to live there are like people making SWE salary and up, to the point where you have your silicon valley companies providing so many benefits and incentives to get people to stay in the area

[coarse quiver]

Send video

[teal jackal]

Jay Powell is hurting a lot of people with the inflation hawk bullshit

also going to erase a lot of gains at the service jobs and stuff

[twilit wasp]

many of them would still try to stay and find a job, and i pray they are able to find a job as well

[errant karma]

BOG

[tardy geode]

all this grind for what

everyday a new company is laying off

SF based startups also laying off

so many SDE's unemployed , grads competing for jobs with them . intern offers getting revoked . return offers getting rescinded .

with all of this staying sane while grinding , applying like crazy(only to get rejects) . its mentally draining to a point that its affecting my health kinda . i hope all of this ends . its hard to stay happy and cheerful .

[green pendant]

who laid off today lol

[prime palm]

yeahhhhhhh i understand

a lot of talented people in this chat also struggling to find jobs

not much to really say except one day you will get job if you just keep trying, could be a few months but

if you stop applying it's 100% you won't be employed
least if you keep trying always a chance

[green pendant]

the pain is that even if you got a job you'd be scared of getting laid off

[west egret]

You also can't control all factors. Focus on what you have control on. That being your resume, LeetCode and behavioral skills.

[prime palm]

yeah me right now lowkey

well, i haven't started yet so not even a layoff, but a rescind

[green pendant]

agreed. especially layoffs. Being laid off is not an indicator of skill in any way

[lament basin]

gotta find order within chaos boys

[tardy geode]

noyo

[livid yew]

this generative AI is insane bros

[green pendant]

when do you start?

[coarse quiver]

Mr bravin

[errant karma]

How is life in Europe? Are people getting laid off like US

[tardy geode]

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/frederic-voituret-a09b33260_salesforcelayoffs-opentowork-activity-7027276611053830147-fRAI?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop

this is so heartbreaking

[coarse quiver]

I have no idea

My firm is kinda hiring crazy rn

Luckily

There is probably a big hiring freeze overall tho

[errant karma]

Wait are you working at JPMC

[coarse quiver]

No

Definitely not

Check LinkedIn

[errant karma]

Oooh you fucking got into Google didn’t you?

[errant karma]

I really don’t know who you are in real life😂

[coarse quiver]

I don't have you on LinkedIn

[green pendant]

wtf who

[tardy geode]

[coarse quiver]

I bet I've seen your LinkedIn at some point tho

[errant karma]

I just sent you a dm

We need to fix this quickly

[coarse quiver]

Small quant firm in London

Kinda shitty compared to top quant firms

[errant karma]

At least it is something

[stable hemlock]

Qube?

[latent ravine]

did you get the unqork ft offer im wondering what the pay is

[gray dagger]

Lol I did not

They’re in a hiring freeze

[latent ravine]

damn

[gray dagger]

That message was from like last year 💀

How’d you come across it

[green pendant]

Anything is good in this economy tbh

[coarse quiver]

Yessir

[coarse quiver]

I mean yeah, job is better than no job

[stable hemlock]

Oh that's great, was just a guess.

[coarse quiver]

Are you in the UK?

[green pendant]

I swear one of these days I will respond to a rejection email with "your loss"

[stable hemlock]

Yes, I am

[gray dagger]

Heard back from flex?

[jovial latch]

https://youtu.be/QXZmEOTiRvM

[tardy geode]

[keen sequoia]

Wow

Capital one L after 848 codesignal

[jovial latch]

Damn yo

What role

Actually nvm ik

[keen sequoia]

10 mins ago

For the machine learning posting

[jovial latch]

I'ma be real with you I applied a while ago and had a hr call, it's possible they aren't accepting apps anymore

I'm still in the middle of that process

[keen sequoia]

Ahhh I see

I’m a recent laid off so I’m late to everything

Good luck with the rest of ur process!

[jovial latch]

Lol

Truth be told c1 is about my only bet now

Hell if I know

[jovial latch]

Ya no they definitely aren't accepting apps now my code signal was 841

Godddddd I need that final round

It's about the only role I have an actual chance in cause of my background n experience

[keen sequoia]

What’s ur background

I’m actually 2022 btw just not eligible for industry hire roles

[prime palm]

wait what?

when did you grad?

i thought you were a 2023 grad lol

[jovial latch]

Bs cs, Ms machine learning, math minor, may 2023 grad lol

[prime palm]

were you working in 2022

layoff?

r u looking for new grad job now?

:(

[sonic coral]

We just laid off 12k employees with potentially more to come

Safe to say we’re not mass hiring externally for a while

[prime palm]

no like i was wondeering are you still considered to be a new grad

or are you just a sde 1 indusry hire

let's get it

[sonic coral]

If you’re in an existing pipeline you might be able to get through but it’s not guaranteed

Cloud might have hc tbh

No one knows

[fossil jewel]

cloud always got demand no?

[sonic coral]

Cloud was the only org that grew in profit

[jovial latch]

Cause it's cloud

[fossil jewel]

companies using it instead of on-site cloud/servers

[sonic coral]

Grew slower than previous years but still profit

[jovial latch]

Clouds hot shit these days

[sonic coral]

Check q4 earnings

[jovial latch]

It's why I'm taking a buncha cloud courses in my last semester

[sonic coral]

Their revenue is small compared to AWS and azure yes

But their growth is wayyy faster

I mean the chat bot got leaked already lol

[plush lily]

Can't get enough

[fossil jewel]

sentient chatbot

[sonic coral]

I swear everything is getting leaked now

[fossil jewel]

[sonic coral]

Bro I don’t think management likes these leaks lmao

[jovial latch]

Eh

[sonic coral]

They leaked the layoff discussion town hall the day of

[jovial latch]

Google management kinda struggling a bit ig lol

[sonic coral]

They managed to put all their efforts to keep the layoff under wraps

So now the other leaks are coming out

[jovial latch]

I'm just reminded of stadia for some reason

Which literally did not have to be a disaster

[sonic coral]

That’s kinda the point tho lol

[jovial latch]

I switched to braves search engine lol

[sonic coral]

despite all these years they still have a minimal homepage

It’s what set them apart early on too

All the other search engines were too crowded with info

But yeah if you watched their earnings yesterday the big plan for them is ai + integrating ai into search and improving YouTube shorts to compete with TikTok

[jovial latch]

Ai makes sense
They be spooked my MSFT and chatgpt

[sonic coral]

Bro msft already added chatgpt into teams

https://www.reuters.com/technology/microsoft-rolls-out-chatgpt-powered-teams-premium-2023-02-02/

[jovial latch]

That was quick

[sonic coral]

Literally this week

Yep

[jovial latch]

Hmmm

Yea still not using teams

[sonic coral]

It’s intended for companies because the chatgpt addon is $7 extra a month lol

[jovial latch]

Yea ik, I just hate teams

[sonic coral]

These are the big features

“OpenAI-owned ChatGPT will generate automatic meeting notes, recommend tasks and help create meeting templates for Teams users.”

I could see the use cases tbh

Companies will def jump on board

[jovial latch]

Oh ya fr

[sonic coral]

Auto meeting notes is huge

[jovial latch]

Damn

[livid yew]

pretty sure I read something interally that we might buy it

[sonic coral]

Yeah if your a company already using teams this is a no brainer

[livid yew]

A couple of teams want to try it out

[sonic coral]

I doubt it’s $7 a mo for the entire company tho lmao

That’s crazy cheap for b2b prices lol

[livid yew]

oh its a seat-thing

[jovial latch]

Per user?

[livid yew]

so 7/per user

[sonic coral]

It prob scales by user

Ya that makes sense

[livid yew]

similar to how slack cost is

[sonic coral]

Wait I thought slack and teams was like every additional 1000 users or something

7/user seems crazy expensive lmao

[livid yew]

oh idk

not my problem

I waste company money all the time

[sonic coral]

Then again I guess a company of 1000 people spending an extra 7k a month is a rounding error

[livid yew]

[sonic coral]

That’s like what a single employee bonus

[livid yew]

pretty much

Bonus in march

[sonic coral]

B2B really is the money maker lmao

[jovial latch]

Ye

[sonic coral]

Companies don’t hesitate to spend a few extra thousand a month lol

[jovial latch]

And don't hesitate to layoff people during record profits lol

Eh

[sonic coral]

But think about the shareholders

The poor poor shareholders

[livid yew]

yeah I am a Google shareholder

[fossil jewel]

shorts are trash

ngl ig reels aren’t bad

[sonic coral]

Bro they tested some a/b thing on me with rewinds and it made it SOOO much better

Then it was gone after a week

[fossil jewel]

[sonic coral]

I didn’t opt in it was just a random test

Like I just suddenly had the ability to scroll a short

Literally improved the experience significantly

[fossil jewel]

shorts algo just isn’t there yet

[jovial latch]

I hate the concept tbh

I refuse to watch em

My attention span already shit

[fossil jewel]

reels got me figured out ngl

[sonic coral]

The truth is we’re not the target audience

It’s all kids barely even in hs and below

[fossil jewel]

yep

lots of childish reels

[fossil jewel]

ruining next gen one short at a time

[sonic coral]

You can just tell all the shorts are catered towards adhd kids with a microsecond attention span

random yelling, jump cuts, looping to get views

[fossil jewel]

kids these days all seem to have adhd

[sonic coral]

Big dramatic zoom ins

[fossil jewel]

remote school didn’t help neither

[sonic coral]

Also there’s so many shorts of random clips of things that are cropped to high hell with giant subtitles

That’s a big one

• some random TikTok music in background

[jovial latch]

Depends
My younger sister loved being able to attend classes in bed cause fuck getting up at like 6 am

And also depends if you're able to learn shit on your own

[sonic coral]

Remote school I think can work for hs and up

Below that and those kids ain’t learning shit I’m sorry

[jovial latch]

Yea I'll agree with that take

No debate from me

[jaunty basalt]

When Covid first hit, my friend tutored over zoom, the kids ran under the bed