2023_grads

[fossil jewel]

salt and pepper alone isnt enough

stealing this

too good

[livid yew]

paprika
cumin
chili powder
onion powder
garlic powder
cayenne
tyme
dill
oregano
mushroom powder

I could keep listing the things in my cabinet

[fossil jewel]

[livid yew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/972617781910597682/1060316935163740220/1048356991313133649.png

[fossil jewel]

yeah why not

[livid yew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/972617781910597682/1060316935163740220/1048356991313133649.png

[fossil jewel]

VERY GOOD

[quasi jackal]

SO U DO HAVE DILL EH

is it not dried

or were u LYING TO ME

[fossil jewel]

techie doesnt like us

[livid yew]

i like everyone

[quasi jackal]

[fossil jewel]

tag em and tell them

[teal jackal]

im designing a convertible rn

do i want to make it a 2 seater or 4 seater

[quasi jackal]

i like 2's but 4 make more sense if u ever actually yknow wanna be able to transport ppl

[tardy geode]

salesforce layoff is brutal damnnn

[teal jackal]

my interior

the fit and finish is terrible but ill just say that it was built in britain

Cheesecake color seats

Alcantara lined dashboard

[fossil jewel]

how bad?

[chilly burrow]

Not a cool acronym

Plz don't use this kind of language

[tardy geode]

8k people

[fossil jewel]

damn

[frosty gale]

damn these layoffs are scary

maybe I should be happy with the C1 TIP

not that banks are bulletproof

[fossil jewel]

C1 is very good

[vital vault]

Seriously? USAA canceled their new grad opening due to business needs. Even USAA affected by this economy??????

[teal jackal]

C1 tip is good

[frosty gale]

USAA is a very diversified company. They do banking & insurance

[meager latch]

You’re also doing Flexport right?

[frosty gale]

ye in 3 weeks

and then C1 right after

[meager latch]

Is Flexport in a good spot? Def riskier than C1

[frosty gale]

I think so. The supply chain is kinda important rn. They've actually hired a lot for the last few months

[chilly burrow]

I tink it's in a good spot

[frosty gale]

They want to go public but the economy is shit so I think they're waiting

[naive flint]

anyone hear back from SAP rotational program after technical interview 😭

[junior scarab]

When I interned there I was told most of their SWE hires are return offers for interns or contractors

[fossil jewel]

_ _

[tardy geode]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1004741311175327824/1047370395818410044/maxwell-1.gif

[marsh sand]

Are there any companies still taking applications?

I don't want to gamble on Palantir and Bloomberg now since both have high reject rates after HM

[fossil jewel]

[fossil jewel]

banks?

[marsh sand]

perhaps; thanks for the tip

[chilly burrow]

Something wrong on ur end i tink

[marsh sand]

i literally was staring at this for 5 mins for it to load

my internet is slow and i actually fell for it lmao

[quasi jackal]

[marsh sand]

thanks guys for the amazing community tho; y'all constantly motivate me to keep grinding my lc and sysdesign

(yet my GPA be falling)

[teal jackal]

I realize how I'm burnt out from worrying 24/7 about learning and grinding and job security

i put 63 hours into automation the car company tycoon game within the past 2 weeks

[marsh sand]

were u yung unemployed or is that someone else

but yes I feel you 😦 I haven't even interviewed onsite for Palantir and Bloomberg yet and I'm already thinking of rescind scenarios

[teal jackal]

i used to be yung unemployment

but graduated

[marsh sand]

Oooo and when you say decision pending, are you waiting after an offer letter?

[teal jackal]

nah

just havent signed yet

[west egret]

If BB rescinds, a lot of ppl are screwed.

[marsh sand]

ahhh i see i see

[west egret]

I have LCed in about 2 months.

[teal jackal]

White Grim Reaper, got the drop top
Don't keep her, she's a thot thot
Her love it can't be bought bought
But she make me crazy, cause she's hot hot

When I made my convertible I paired it with rap lyrics

[tardy geode]

oh thats nice wheres the offer from?(happy for you bro 🙂 )

[teal jackal]

hive ai

[tardy geode]

congrats

[eternal hatch]

[marsh sand]

Tips for BB Onsite? Just do tagged?

Will top 50 suffice lmao

[fossil jewel]

yes

maxwell is the best cat

[foggy perch]

Yes

[marsh sand]

will top 50 be enough

[foggy perch]

assuming bb tagged hopefully

for me it worked

[marsh sand]

I solved 400 apart from bb tagged so hopefully the non tagged Qs just come up from the old ones I solved 😦

[tardy geode]

400 wtf

since past 2 months i am stuck on 271 total

i have just been practicing the ones i already did

just applying isn't helping 😢

[wild igloo]

ayo

[earnest perch]

lmao i got that too

[fossil jewel]

i only did 80 in total 💀

my last semester of ug was busy

[marsh sand]

For me it was mostly just reading solution -> understanding solution -> lowkey typing out solution

Do y’all do leetcode like this too?

[earnest perch]

yes

it's hard to come up with the optimal solution yourself. Especially for questions that require you to know concepts that you haven't learned before

Eg: the floyd-something algorithm

[nimble cosmos]

Question, is grokking the system design interview sufficient for system design prep?

Ive seen videos online as well but it looks like everyone has a differeng approach so its kind of confusing

(Feel free to @ me)

[brisk sigil]

grokking is pretty sufficient for a amazon L4 or L5 interview

[nimble cosmos]

Assuming l4 and l5 is mid level engineer that sounds good. Thanks!

[brisk sigil]

L4 is for new grads

[nimble cosmos]

Ohh ok

Wait then whats l1 to l3

Interns?

[brisk sigil]

l3 is intern

[nimble cosmos]

Ah ok

[brisk sigil]

but if you are a new grad and you are having sd interviews

just relax

[nimble cosmos]

Ive had a couple sys design interviews for new grad and failed horribly lol, wanna make sure im equipped for any future sys design

Kinda confused cause like why should a new grad know sys design

Anyway thanks!

[brisk sigil]

Gn

and good luck

[chilly burrow]

Make sure to check out the job posts in #grad_postings_old !

[tardy geode]

yes i feel

[tardy geode]

i was asked sys design for my internship interview 💀

[livid yew]

[tardy geode]

got resume rejected by john deere in 20 mins

quickest reject ever

10:37am est i got a thank you email for applying

10:57am est reject

[livid yew]

Lolz

[frosty gale]

You international?

If so thats probably why

[tardy geode]

yeah

[winged shale]

Gonna start applying New Grads in Canada, how fucked am I lolz

[green pendant]

has anyone taken the imc recruiter call? what should I expect from it?

[lament basin]

ayy lmao

[teal jackal]

if it makes u feel better, some john deere software engineers are directly responsible for adding DRM to the tractors preventing farmers from fixing it themselves

[chilly burrow]

There's like 4 roles...

[last belfry]

What is the imc trading new grad swe process?

[tawdry skiff]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cm7teTNo_3n/

[west pagoda]

Why are like all the interview processes I began in December just silent and ghosting me

[vague kraken]

Things slow down for the holidays

[timber rock]

because everyone was out of office until yesterday

[livid yew]

Yeah most people got back Tuesday

[late kestrel]

u think the SWEs had any say in that decision

blame the execs

[teal jackal]

Yeah exactly

this is why I say it's a bullet dodged to not work at john deere

[late kestrel]

gotcha

[tardy geode]

LinkedIn makes me depressed more nowadays

[livid yew]

[livid yew]

I got 8 recruiter messages this week

3 today

2 interviews setup for February

[tardy geode]

share your profile , why is it that i ain’t getting any

maybe coz you working FT and have experience

[livid yew]

Probably

My profile thicc

[late kestrel]

exp >>>>>>>

[livid yew]

If I put all my related exp it would be 5 separate jobs

[quasi jackal]

Dang techie

Didn’t u just start as ur current job in like last 6 months too

Ur collectin da infinity stones

[open breach]

Does anyone know how I can contact Hubspot HR? I worked there last year and need to contact them about smth

[tardy geode]

try connecting with any existing employee

and then ask them regarding hr info

[open breach]

U right thanks

[whole berry]

its horrible here pal

[prime palm]

its horrible here pal

[primal pike]

ever quit an internship

[grizzled bronze]

You're allowed to quit any time for any reason

[teal jackal]

just got rejected from veeva after final

feedback i was given was related to communication issues

discrimination against the stereotypical cs major

Hive ai here i come 😻

[fossil jewel]

hoping the best for you

[weary flax]

@teal jackal congrats on the hive ai offer! curious when did you apply?

[teal jackal]

Late mid october

[crystal hollow]

i'm graduating in May and the agita vibes are strong

[dawn sequoia]

https://os.phil-opp.com/ i started this yesterday

[teal jackal]

Agita?

[livid yew]

Yeah gotta widen the net past FAANG, BIG TECH

and look at F500 and the like

[whole roost]

Nah it's HFT or bust

[livid yew]

Ok buddy. Keep drinking the Kool aid

[prime palm]

quants or bust 😴

[quasi jackal]

[livid yew]

Hft and Quant are the same thing right?

[quasi jackal]

I never even attempted a quant place

My wife did a phone interview and after I listened to the questions I said fk that

[livid yew]

Wife?

[grizzled bronze]

Is your wife single?

[quasi jackal]

Yes

[teal jackal]

I have a wife too

Her boyfriend bought me a Nintendo switch

[whole roost]

We'll see who's laughing once I'm homeless in a cardboard box outside HRT

[livid yew]

Bro just get apartment with HRT money. Stop being so frugal sheesh

[whole roost]

Nah I mean

Not getting an HFT offer and stubbornly becoming homeless

Because HFT or bust xD

[livid yew]

Oh

I see

Both gay and stupid

[whole roost]

Tfw when u have to explain the jk and realize it wasn't good in the first place

[livid yew]

I'm just bad at joke detection

[winged shale]

Told father how Imma be jobless when I graduate coz I got fked by the economy, he is now asking me to look into grad school, Imma just go work at a restaurant no thank you.

[whole roost]

Incoming Backend (Kitchen) SWE @ McDonald's

tb to working at McDonald's in hs tho, good times

[teal jackal]

Call to reject

[gleaming sky]

anybody have any insight into ramp process?

[dapper jasper]

anybody heard back after 12/26-12/30 tiktok OA?

[livid yew]

OA right after Christmas

Bruh

The grind

[quasi jackal]

[nocturne seal]

I have palantir on-site tomorrow and barely studied

Idek how to pick a database

[livid yew]

[nocturne seal]

I have a pretty good offer, I decided this will just be practice for me

[old vector]

The new law that makes companies disclose base salary on the job description makes it so much easier to know if you’re getting lowballed and for negotiating

[tardy geode]

I am graduating in may , plus i am international . I am having nightmares as graduation approaches

[gloomy terrace]

should i start applying to masters programs

i have no fucking clue how i ended up in this position

[marble wind]

@gloomy terrace i thought you had some offers like hft/quant?

[gloomy terrace]

It’s complicated but might not work out

[night marsh]

Hey all, I wanted to ask advice about grad school vs industry.
For context, I'm applying rather late to New Grad jobs because I made a definitive decision about not wanting to continue grad school at my current university for various reasons (this was in late December).
I was planning to ask my original manager if he can reconvert my original full-time offer (back when I told him I'm planning to do my Master's and they gave me an internship for the upcoming summer); however, just this morning I got into Viterbi and now I'm conflicted. I'm wondering now whether I should do grad school for the next 2 years, as USC is quite expensive but I've heard the network is great - or hop into industry instead after I graduate undergrad in May.
TL;DR - Decided not to do Master's rather late at my current school with intent of hunting for New Grad jobs, but also got Master's acceptance from a school better than my current one for the upcoming Fall. Trying to decide b/w the two.

[ivory stratus]

I would just hop into industry because the YOE over grad school will be of much more value for your career but thats just me. Having a job in this economy is clutch and grad school wont net you much more pay if any at most jobs post anyway

[stable hemlock]

Industry if possible, grad school as backup.

[gloomy terrace]

umm some privacy pls?

it's visa related

[gloomy terrace]

let's swap schools

u go to a T5 i go to a private

[night marsh]

@ivory stratus @stable hemlock Thx yall, I was leaning towards that as well

[night marsh]

Is the T5 expensive

[gloomy terrace]

no it's fucking berkeley cheap af

[night marsh]

I'm OOS unfortunately

[tawdry skiff]

If you're not international, I think industry is good if you can

[night marsh]

Lol I'm watching the latest episode rn @tawdry skiff

[tawdry skiff]

Masters if you like the subject

In most cases, masters for regular swe doesn't help that much

If you do a master's and go for ML/AI role, then it would make more sense

[tawdry skiff]

Top 10 show

[night marsh]

Yeah I learnt the hard truth this semmy lmao

[gleaming sky]

I love you

[gloomy terrace]

might do openai

residency program

their ng is 300k

[gleaming sky]

fair enough, I heard it's not very leetcode-based either?

good luck soldier

[lyric cosmos]

damn, why all positions are already closed

like most of the,

them

[pine topaz]

arent companies still on vacation

and postings will be open probs by next week

or am i

[livid yew]

No

Winter break ended Tuesday morning

Clearly a fake us person, not knowing holiday

[pine topaz]

STOP

how is the market for new grads then

r we in a recesion

[livid yew]

Idk a decent number of F500 and bumfuck are hiring

Just stop trying for FAANG, you won't make it

[pine topaz]

oh phew no recesion

[wheat seal]

Lowe, comcast, Home Depot, sporting goods. All pay 90k or > for new grads. I think comcast pays most of these. But there’s still money to be made even if it’s not faang

And it sounds like you have been learning a ton at comcast too techie, seems like a cool place to work

[wheat seal]

Honestly it’s brutal tbh

I think the last good good year was 2018 new grad season

Had a few years to get experience in before all this craziness

[pine topaz]

After the lockdowns it werent bad imo

[wheat seal]

Ye true, but the crazy layoffs afterwards

[pine topaz]

[lyric cosmos]

so do yall think they will open up new positions like soon?

[frank wedge]

For you or ever? 2021-early 2022 was great

[green pendant]

second half of 2021 was wild

[pine topaz]

yeah twas my experience too

[green pendant]

Amazon Google Meta handing out offers left and right

[pine topaz]

2021 to early 2022 were nice

[lyric cosmos]

yeah

[livid yew]

Lowe's

Walmart

Target

Home Depot

[night marsh]

New Grad is very rough rn

Like big companies notwithstanding, layoffs at those companies mean that now way more people are in the market for a limited amount of positions

My school sent out a survey about Fall 22 graduating CS peeps. We've had ~100% job placement rate for those who want to go into industry after grad, and 37% of graduates last semester are still looking

[wheat seal]

Yea I mean it was amazing

But the aftermath was brutal

[livid yew]

2020 was rough

COVID was scary

[green pendant]

didn't that not last for very long though?

Like the covid scare in the market seemed to start declining by Q3 2020

at least in tech

[wheat seal]

Yea it didn’t last for too long

[green pendant]

This one will outlast that for sure

probably already has

[pine topaz]

jesus @night marsh

[wheat seal]

Mainly lasted until the fall

[green pendant]

Meta is about to close in on a year of hiring freeze at junior level

[pine topaz]

dats scary

[night marsh]

Yeah I didn't know how bad it was until my friend released that

[livid yew]

Idk I worked in-person all of COVID

9-10hours a day, coding in a mask

[quasi jackal]

[thick grail]

does anyone know if palantir calls to reject after the two hour virtual on site?

[foggy perch]

nah 2022 new grad season was op

i swear people were getting meta offers left and right

also probably why they ended up doing mass layoffs

[wheat seal]

Which is y I say it wasn’t the better than 2018

[foggy perch]

better in the short term at least

[wheat seal]

I recruited during 2021-2022 it was great

But yea for the short term

[quiet crown]

If it requires a security clearance, yes

[wheat seal]

Yea those are all defense contractors

[sonic coral]

Less intensive than the federal agencies but def still a full clearance process from what I’ve heard

[wheat seal]

U don’t need a TS

But u will have to get a confidential / secret clearance

It’s confidential, secret, then top secret

[sonic coral]

I know someone who got a job at DoD and jesus his clearance was bonkers

Dudes in suits talking to all his friends, relatives, fuckin elementary school teachers even

[wheat seal]

Wait is Northrop defense contractor?

[sonic coral]

Yes

[wheat seal]

I think it is but not really sure

Oh ok

[wheat seal]

Maybe he was TS

[sonic coral]

I think the fed agencies do some extra shit that even contractor TS don’t do

[wheat seal]

Confidential is really simple tho

They just make sure ur a us citizen basically

And ask a few ppl about u

And it’s pretty quick from what I’ve heard

Whereas TS they ask 25+ ppl about who u are

And basically wanna know your entire life

Confidential /Secret isn’t too invasive I think

[sonic coral]

Does confidential still require polygraph

My guess is they find your elementary school based on your records in the board of edu and then find out your teachers by looking at your report cards and stuff

[languid crypt]

Currently scheduled to interview with lockheed for a ts/sci new grad role, will they do the clearance stuff only if I get an offer?

Also anyone have experience interviewing with them? I heard it’s mostly behavioral

[slender apex]

does anyone know what the Walmart interview process/total compensation is like? Seeing if its worth continuing

[sonic coral]

Yeah you’ll start the clearance process by filling out a shitload of paperwork iirc lol

Which happens after accepting the offer

[languid crypt]

Got it thanks!

[low scroll]

this is crazy

i stopped applying mid november

still no relevant new positions at least on coderquad

[livid yew]

I use LinkedIn and just Google search for job postings

[night marsh]

I remember there was this one person in my school who wouldn't apply to jobs because he didn't want to get rejected 💀

[winged shale]

He aint wrong, this is immaculate logic

[timber rock]

tha man who loses in the arena is far more honourable than the man who never enters

[night marsh]

True the logic works out

[vital meteor]

Something something robots automation communism

[night marsh]

Just let AI do it ez

Speaking of which, I heard on the radio about this company that uses "AI to help other companies solve problems"

[finite stone]

@gentle peak did you ever go through with spacex onsite?

[nocturne seal]

How fast is palantir response after on-site usually

[solemn tinsel]

heard back after vo within 3 hours

heard back after HM within a couple days

[nocturne seal]

Bet so more than 3 hours = reject got it

Jk but that’s pretty fast

[forest ravine]

Anyone else get ghosted after Expedia verbal offer

[compact vortex]

anyone have any luck with apple here

[errant karma]

Apple is tricky I have never found how they hire

[compact vortex]

ive tried cold emailing a ton

one guy responded

asked me about what i wanted then was like he will forward to others in his org then ghost

[grizzled bronze]

Was he himself a hiring manager?

[compact vortex]

i feel like you have to match the role exactly or else ghost

[compact vortex]

he was a senior manager

[green pendant]

same here. cold emailed a bunch of people but nothing really worked.

[compact vortex]

the people ik who got apple A. got lucky with cold email, B. had a hiring manager reach out to them directly, or C. they had a referral

[grizzled bronze]

I got an interview once just from applying through their site without a referral, at the time I was unprepared so I bombed the interview. They've ghosted my applications since.

[compact vortex]

ive heard people who intern at apple still get ghosted when they cold apply to another team at apple

dang ur lucky to have gotten that interview just through a cold apply

[grizzled bronze]

Yeah I got lucky, I don't particularly care for Apple since I don't want to relocate to California, it's only good as an internship for me

[teal jackal]

tbh id probably fail the clearance screening for a government agency, one of my friends in high school literally got arrested for conspiracy to commit domestic terrorism

apple interviews are all RNG

to get one is crazy

[compact vortex]

@teal jackal congrats on hive ai

[teal jackal]

Thanks fam

[nocturne seal]

Yes

[grizzled bronze]

You're not, I like it too for the reasons you mentioned. I find it obnoxious when I see people complaining about Workday of all job portals. 🤦‍♂️

[solemn notch]

what’s the best ats resume for workday? nothing i’ve tried works correctly

[ivory stratus]

the worst part is that it requires a new profile for each application/company

[lunar viper]

how do I get my resume reviewed?

[green pendant]

My best bet is that a company's workday integration goes beyond the application portal and so they just have one suite for each company

[grizzled bronze]

Yeah that's annoying, but autofill takes care of that

[tardy geode]

can i dm you?

[chilly burrow]

It doesnt matter

The nice thing about Workday is that you manually enter in your info

So you don't need to worry about it parsing

[chilly burrow]

#1019675142248468601

[west pagoda]

Has anyone confirmed that simplify’s resume upload works correctly?

For some reason the only companies I hear back from are the ones i uploaded manually to 😅 but probably just me being randomly anxious, some fear that a bug causes a blank page to be uploaded or something

[signal trellis]

I’m thinking about creating some resources and guides to navigate this job market. Anyone have some topics they would want to see covered?

[signal trellis]

It 100% works, I’m happy to help you confirm on a test posting via dm

We’ve had hundreds of thousands of successful offers through our platform - would be really hard to do that without the resume uploading, but I understand the anxiety!

[west pagoda]

Thank you 🙏🏽 this was v reassuring

[compact vortex]

Has cold emailing been covered

[finite stone]

yep!

when's your date? did you ever get more info on it?

[jaunty storm]

Does anyone know what to expect from the Mathworks OA?

[frosty gale]

3 LC easy-meds

don't forget the questions too. They ask you to explain the code during the interview

[jaunty storm]

Not too bad. I got like 1/3 of LC easys solved and 144 meds. I’m quite weak with trees, dp, and harder graph problems.

[frosty gale]

iirc you can take it in MATLAB if you want

[jaunty storm]

That I can do.

[jaunty storm]

That’s new. I haven’t used MATLAB since my engineering days.

[frosty gale]

there was one tree question but it was pretty easy

like do an inorder traversal something like that

[jaunty storm]

Easy trees. I can solve. I’ll just spend a few days warming. Up.

[jaunty storm]

I got in, pre, post, and level down. As long as it’s not Amazon’s vertical order I’m okay.

Do they expect a perfect score?

Knowing me I always miss one on the OA.

[frosty gale]

that idk

you'll be fine though

[jaunty storm]

Okay. I’ll get warmed up over the weekend and take it monday.

[frosty gale]

GL!

[forest ice]

Has anyone done palantir product reliability OA, what to expect?

[teal jackal]

Joe biden has a stutter and it is used against him by his political opponents to discredit his qualifications

I have a stutter and it is used against me by employers to discredit my qualifications

One struggle fr

[tardy geode]

that would be great

• Applying strategies
• Cold Emailing Tips
• Any tips for international students to navigate this job market

[tawdry skiff]

[timber rock]

is there any chance of a drw interview with a non perfect oa or is it doomed

[lyric cosmos]

where do u guys search for jobs?

seems that there are not many new grad positions on linkedin

[tardy geode]

I applied to this company called Patreon and got an instant reject

i don't understand why

[teal jackal]

Visa?

Maybe they can't sponsor

[tardy geode]

afaik the job description also didn't say anything explicitly like "No visa sponsorship"

btw does anyone know what is epic system's process like ? (its a company in Madison , WI)

epic or epic systems idk the exact name

[sharp plume]

Could someone give me the link to the capital one discord server

[shrewd field]

Anyone know how long it would take for Oracle to roll out offer letter after verbal offer?

[sharp plume]

they take their sweet time lol about 1-2 weeks

[shrewd field]

1-2 weeks seems fine lol…some people said it might even take months💀

[nocturne seal]

Damn ziprecruiter paying that much?

[compact vortex]

Ayo I have a stutter too

And I’m into cars j like you

[old smelt]

Me too lol, small world

[old smelt]

Has it actually been used against you? I've found that most ppl are pretty respectful and understanding

[teal jackal]

Sometimes but implicitly, sometimes they think that I have poor communication because of it

I mean it is true lol

Anyways I feel like stuttering is why I fail behaviorals

[fossil jewel]

crazy how they're expecting early 20 year olds to speak eloquently

[old smelt]

Always mention it in the beginning of the interview and say it's out of your control

I agree tho there's times where it feels like i failed 5 min in cuz I can't get a word out without blocking lol

[wintry sedge]

is levels.fyi down/super super slow for anyone else?

[leaden oak]

no on brave yes on safari edit: I had it backwards

[frank wedge]

I got mine one day after in 2022

They were uhh.. rushing though, so not sure if that was normal

[wintry sedge]

thx for checking, whatever it was has resolved itself for me i guess

[dim pulsar]

since yall graduated 🎓 can someone explain the best path?

[teal jackal]

theyre all equal tbh in terms of career outcomes

take whatever class you want to take

[dim pulsar]

hmm okay

[teal jackal]

Either way you'll be able to work in full stack dev

[dim pulsar]

got it 👍 ig ill just choose what I find interesting

[wintry sedge]

take data structures to have the opportunity to get an internship basically

without that, i think you'll struggle a lot because even just for leetcoding it provides a super important foundation

[dim pulsar]

hmm I'll keep that in mind while choosing my classes 🤔

[wintry sedge]

others can disagree but I really think that besides just learning the super basics of how to code, that data structures is a big step in understanding

[dim pulsar]

you're prob right, heard alot from others about importance of data structures.. just needed more opinnions

[wintry sedge]

dope, well good luck on your journey o7

[teal jackal]

Isn't algo+ds required for everyone anyways

But if it's not covered I recommend taking both

[timber rock]

Yea pretty much everywhere asks dsa questions so you can't skip that

[pastel bane]

Im in Asia and it seems nearly every major except CS is so hard for finding a job
now even CS gets difficult for finding a job

[compact vortex]

Yea same bro

[green pendant]

if someone asks "why do you want to work at X", is "there are some videos on the careers page where they talk about XYZ aspect of the job that I really like" a decent answer?

[teal jackal]

thats valid

I think that'd be pretty good to answer

shows that you are excited about the job

[frosty gale]

Asian countries are paying the price of overclocking their economy for 30+ years

[outer radish]

tbh this year is fucked

[signal trellis]

try simplify!

[teal jackal]

I feel like college apps vs job apps is a double edged sword
My tryhard friends all prefer job apps to college apps, but as a late bloomer I found college apps so much forgiving

[green pendant]

college apps need so much more effort though

was okayish last year. Is hell this year.

Meta and Google definitely lowered their bars last year, at least for internships

Google hc is messed up right now so should be kinda difficult

Mediums should be fine tbh

just do mediums + the more common hards

[nocturne seal]

Doing that while playing football 😵‍💫

[livid yew]

That dude needs grass and bitches

[frosty gale]

Varsity football equals grass and bitches tbh

[teal jackal]

dude probably has everything

bitches and success

[frosty gale]

Hes a protagonist

[late kestrel]

who calls D1 football "varsity football"

unless thats a linkedin category

[frosty gale]

Maybe intramural

[late kestrel]

club then

[frosty gale]

But yeah kinda weird way to say it

[teal jackal]

football = bitches by default

me, I got sick ass cars

[frosty gale]

I did track and field in HS. No bitches unfortunately 😔

[teal jackal]

i spent all day working on this

[frosty gale]

Whats the model

[livid yew]

DN

[teal jackal]

top, c segment compact sedan
middle, d segment full size sedan,
bottom, b segment subcompact hatch

[livid yew]

I have like 75 job apps to fill out when I get home

[teal jackal]

this is the single coolest picture ive ever taken in the game

[livid yew]

Looks nice

Wish GTA had good graphics lol

I'm gonna play the fuck out of GTA 6

[fossil jewel]

trying to leave comcast?

[livid yew]

Nah just testing the waters a bit

See what's out there

Doesn't hurt

I think I'll hop in like Spring 2024 tbh

Unless Netflix responds and offers

[frosty gale]

My Xfinity keeps crashing can you send help @livid yew

[livid yew]

No

[frosty gale]

[livid yew]

Not my department

[frosty gale]

I miss FiOS

[livid yew]

FiOS is nice

[frosty gale]

Xfinity lowkey garbo ngl

[livid yew]

I never had issues with it

Even here at my parents housen

[frosty gale]

Yall outsourced the entire customer service dept

[livid yew]

Nah it's most the AI chatbot

Not bad t h

[teal jackal]

The autist is unable make the most out of their potential

The sociopath goes further than they deserve

[frosty gale]

soccer p

they got CFL no?

[whole roost]

moose jaw reporting in

[pulsar mural]

[fossil jewel]

[livid citrus]

thoughts on pinging a recruiter again after the last 5 times they say "we'll get back to you soon hopefully" but never do

literally 5 times btw

[nocturne oriole]

[slate bobcat]

[nocturne oriole]

when do u graduate kush

did u get job

[slate bobcat]

May 2023

yeah I accepted JPM im like oct

I’ve been chilling for a while

[fossil jewel]

which location 👀

[nocturne oriole]

very good kush p, stay pushin p

always happy to refer u in 5 years when recession ends

[slate bobcat]

Wilmington

DE

[fossil jewel]

ah i’m in the ny location

[ornate cliff]

any jobs out there?

[chilly burrow]

Yes

[ornate cliff]

kk sweet

[chilly burrow]

Not many tho...

[ornate cliff]

damn...

[wheat seal]

I’d say more intern positions rn than new grad

[tired thicket]

Should I go for a MS if my GPA is really bad? Just graduated two weeks ago w/ no job lined up and Idk if there’s a point if I don’t get into a decent place

[ornate cliff]

Nah what's the point? Just grind for that first job after that you're good

[teal jackal]

17 year old me: i cant wait to own a lambo someday
21 year old me: new base model elantra hm quite nice

[teal jackal]

GPA's correlation with job search success is minor at best, and usually irrelevant

if youre doing it just to pad your GPA you're wasting your time

I don't know even if I want to get a car for mental comfort(not feeling like I'm locked into the city)
Or not get a car(save on exorbitant parking and insurance costs, not to mention the cost of the car itself)

[lament basin]

plz be gud week

[tardy geode]

facts

there has been no new grad position since nov

[teal jackal]

outside hire new grad got dealt the worst hand tbh

too junior to be needed by the company, but too much commitment to take on a new grad

[tardy geode]

people who have 2-3 years of workex and are graduating aren't that affected

[teal jackal]

I wouldn't call their situation picture perfect either

[tardy geode]

not picture perfect though

but in a better pos than a person with 0 workex and graduating

[lament basin]

being 22 grad kinda blows

cuz some companies have quota for ‘23 and ‘22 grads

and most ‘22 spots have been filled for ages

[wheat seal]

Congrats on offer btw

[tardy geode]

because i see tons of jobs when i put this filter , software engineer-entry level-united states .

but new grad i don't see a thing

[teal jackal]

wait zucked you're c/o22?

ageism tbh

[lament basin]

source

[teal jackal]

thanks broski

[lament basin]

i got this, even tho they extended me an offer a while back

[teal jackal]

fuck

[lament basin]

yea, but that channel is dead

[teal jackal]

ah makes sense

did u get zucked which is why you're here

[lament basin]

yep

fall 22 grad

then zucked

[weary flax]

What company is it for Meta?

[wheat seal]

Well it’s still winter season. Recruiting gets done between fall and spring mostly I think

[teal jackal]

ohhhhhhhh wait you're still c/o23

[lament basin]

atlassian

[teal jackal]

but graduating in the fall semester

sorry i was being a brick

[lament basin]

no

i alr graduated in 2022

[weary flax]

When do you guys think companies will hire again

[lament basin]

i’ve been actively interviewing since november

[weary flax]

Also what's gonna happen to 2023 grads

[weary flax]

Got any companies?

[lament basin]

no offers yet

[weary flax]

No like interviews

[lament basin]

i just wrapped up my first on-site last week

[weary flax]

With who

[teal jackal]

oh wait I see now

[lament basin]

i don’t wanna jinx it lol

[teal jackal]

did atlassian rescind u?

[lament basin]

nah

i turned the offer down in early 2022

[teal jackal]

damn son

that blows

[lament basin]

it is what it is

it was a gamble

2021 interview season was really strong

markets were green

[teal jackal]

Yeah we graduated into the red

[lament basin]

fb offer was really good, seemed like a no brainer

[teal jackal]

OHHHHHH

you got fucked by zuck

yeah explains your name

[lament basin]

yea

[teal jackal]

sorry mate

thats ass

[lament basin]

zuccy

i hope u guys pull thru soon

[teal jackal]

too many people zucced that theres not enough time and space to give the zucced other chances

[lament basin]

i mean

there were definitely a few opportunities in late 2022

some people wanted to take some time to process the news and then enjoy the holidays

i just went into grind mode

like a day after the layoffs

started applying asap

[weary flax]

When was this?

[lament basin]

nov

[weary flax]

Ah I see

[lament basin]

i flopped a couple

early on

but have had more time to prep since

gotta finish this upcoming week strong

and then just prayge

[teal jackal]

gl bro

[lament basin]

appreciate it

i’ll need it

lol

[weary flax]

Gl man

[weary flax]

How did you prep?

[lament basin]

lots of lc

sys design books

lc discuss

[weary flax]

Did you do grokking

Or just general tagged lc

[lament basin]

tagged + general

i’m at about 400 lc

[weary flax]

Sheesh okay I see you

[teal jackal]

what kind of interviews have u done

like what kinda stuff they ask

[lament basin]

depends on the company

most fucked shit i got was a segment tree

or like super niche c++ trivia

but in general it’s usually meds

for most places

[weary flax]

Can you mention some of the places you interviewed at

[lament basin]

rippling

patreon

apple

[teal jackal]

trivia sucks

[lament basin]

i did this one quant firm

and i got destroyed lol

[weary flax]

Damn

[teal jackal]

yeah thats quant

they are known for expecting you to know esoteric c++ tricks and shit

[lament basin]

yeah

i realized it wasn’t for me

i think i was a little oblivious before

[spring venture]

When does new grad for 2024 typically open up?

[ivory stratus]

August

[livid yew]

What kind of trivia? 80s sitcoms?

[wheat seal]

400 lc lifetime?

Or 400 lc just this season

[west egret]

Might as well be July now with how current season is going lol

[ivory stratus]

true lol

im just hoping that having an internship this semester and getting a bit of experience will help

nah i had final for microsoft ng swe and it went to shit lol

i got an internship for Hawaiian Airlines which im stoked about

[teal jackal]

Congrats bro!

[ivory stratus]

thanks! I'm so glad after the shit show that this recruiting season has been. got final for both Zon and Microsoft and of course both finals were canceled

[gray dagger]

Anyone interviewed for Morgan Stanley?

Maybe for like a full stack role?

[tardy geode]

its hard to feel normal nowadays

[gray dagger]

This is the new normal

Gotta get used to it

[tardy geode]

i have no option to delay graduation also

fml

[gray dagger]

My opt started 5 days ago 🫠

[west egret]

Are you extending graduation?

[ivory stratus]

i pushed off graduation till this semester just cause i didnt have anything lined up and wanted to be able to get new grad 2024 offers

[jaunty storm]

I might have to do the same as well.

I was having a heated argument with my dad about starting a master's solely to boost my odds at a job.

I should be ready to go after new grad 24 jobs with the 400 lc under my belt.

[ivory stratus]

Yeah. Luckily i was able to push off graduation and not be in a worse place so that's why i did it.

[ivory stratus]

Yeah this summer im grinding lc hard lol

[jaunty storm]

I've been grinding, solving hards daily now, only to get almost no chance at even using it.

[lament basin]

400 lifetime but i did close to over half of that this season

[whole roost]

So you're gradding this term?

I'm in the same boat, gonna grind for the '24 new grad jobs if I don't get anything by then

[livid yew]

[lunar sparrow]

anyone done sentry phone with managers?

[lunar sparrow]

hes kinda mid ngl

[jaunty storm]

So I gotta solve 2 hards a day??

I don't know 1 was draining enough. I could not keep that up.

[lunar sparrow]

you gotta study like you have foreign parents

[jaunty storm]

Competition is tight. Might as well solve every hard.

[lunar sparrow]

@placid urchin i dm'd btw

[timber rock]

job pls

😭

[livid yew]

@pulsar mural

[fallen fox]

same 💀

[marsh sand]

Palantir onsite in 4 days

I’m petrified

[frosty gale]

isn't Palantir anti-PC

just be 100% redneck

[nocturne seal]

I feel like my on-site had really simple questions

[restive holly]

Did anyone advance past gm oa without passing all test cases?

[tardy geode]

just curious did you not give your ead start date in feb? (like the 55th or 57th day so that you get more time on searching )

[cloud zinc]

gm has an OA? Is this for their rotational program?

[split plaza]

it’s nbd

imo

[fallen fox]

no i was doing an internship so i expected a return offer

[marsh sand]

nbd = not bad right

I read through grokking’s basic components part

[split plaza]

yeah “no big deal”

[split plaza]

Grokking Sys Design? Honestly overkill

[marsh sand]

Oh wow

So just know how to design a db and stuff?

[split plaza]

Yep

It’s like sys design lite

[marsh sand]

Like sharding, replication

Sql vs nosql

Primary foreign keys

No need for like normalization and stuff right

[split plaza]

yea

[marsh sand]

That sounds pretty good ngl; thanks so much!

I was getting intimidated

Would I have to know stuff like consistent hashing?

[restive holly]

Ye

[cloud zinc]

I recently got their hirevue assessment, and I was under the impression GM program didn't do coding assessments. What concepts do they test on?

[restive holly]

Yeah their hirevue is the coding assessment their questions are leetcode type questions

[grizzled bronze]

What's up with job titles with "Female" in the title. Is that even legal?

[rancid token]

out of curiosity how often do yall run into DP questions at an interview

[late kestrel]

whos gonna sue

[rancid token]

bc im prepping for oracle this week and im dreading any DP problems regardless of how much i prep for them

[timber rock]

out of 5 technical rounds this year i got dp 2 times, both medium. so quite often

way more common than in oa's. only had dp once (at drw) out of like 20+ oa's

[cloud zinc]

That sounds confusing. Do they expect applicants to verbally explain the solution?

[fallen fox]

no hirevue has their own garbage coding assesment

parsing the input is 95% of the challenge

[restive holly]

Yeah this

[cloud zinc]

rip

[steep hinge]

I spent 95% of the time setting up the input parsing cuz the questions are almost intro to cs 1 level easy

[fossil jewel]

yeah hirevue/codevue is TRASH

[green pendant]

first full week after holidays may your inboxes have good news this week godspeed friends

[nocturne seal]

What are people doing for work before graduation

Someone said to tutor but i don’t think anyone would hire me

[frosty gale]

I worked in a restaurant

my takeaway was don't do service job unless you want to halve your life expectancy

[wheat seal]

Rudest ppl I’ve met in my entire life lol

I worked at a shoe store

I think FedEx/ UPS part time is better

[frosty gale]

My coworker once served a customer

this mf asked her to tell him Shakespeare's four tragedies

like

fr

and then belittled her for not knowing it

[nocturne seal]

A SWE co-op would be nice😔

[green pendant]

rotting in my room

[livid yew]

I worked retail cashier for 3 years in HS

Then again for 8 months after graduation

I was a cart dude at Home Depot

[tardy geode]

rn giving the 60th day for EAD is the best option then?

i would be graduating in may

[fallen fox]

difficult question for me to answer, it's completely up to you tbh

ead processing times are pretty quick rn; i got mine in ~ 3 weeks

[fallen fox]

if you're graduating without an offer, then it might not be a bad idea

[livid yew]

[teal jackal]

starting full time before graduation

im gonna start my offer in march and do my last one class in my free time after work

[distant scaffold]

DM me if you want to cry together

[tawdry skiff]

@pulsar mural

[lethal spoke]

just outta curiosity, how many apps did it take you all before you got an offer? i somehow feel like i messed up; when i started it took 300+ apps, and 10 or so interviews before i got one offer.

[frosty gale]

ye I'd imagine fast food chains won't be that bad since you don't need to give a fuck and customers don't expect much either

tip-based work sucks

tf lol

[livid yew]

I don't mind my experience

Was good for communication

[grizzled bronze]

Would you ever return to being a cashier? There's a shortage, we need more of them

[livid yew]

Perhaps

What they pay now? At least $15/yr I hope

I could in theory still be fine

With current savings and investments

[frosty gale]

$15/yr? Did you work in Zimbabwe

[fossil jewel]

cashie3445

[livid yew]

Hour

[frosty gale]

I made $18/hr + $10-20 flat tip per day when I was a cashier in the restaurant

[livid yew]

Wtf

I never made more than $12/hr until junior year of college

So 2019

[sonic coral]

You’d be fuckin surprised, I got some angry mfs when I worked at dunkin in hs

[ivory stratus]

When i lived in DC i made $45 an hour driving for Uber over the weekend

[upper crown]

I just joined the server and the most recent discussion I see is of retail jobs 💀💀💀

[sonic coral]

We shoot the shit a lot

[frosty gale]

Yes because that’s where we are all headed when the tech industry collapses this year and next

Better get ready

[late kestrel]

80 for me this cycle but i started first week of august

[lethal spoke]

ooo gz!

[peak ferry]

retail folk at least help society :)

[lethal spoke]

retail can be genuinely scary and dangerous

[peak ferry]

oh yea it's rough, huge respect to em

[late kestrel]

we gotta follow koreas footsteps but instead of mandatory time in the army, it should be mandatory time in retail/service

[peak ferry]

fast food is keeping me alive rn 💀

[late kestrel]

so everyone knows what its like

[peak ferry]

coffee and snacks

[lethal spoke]

also, avoid nightly retail stores, or dollar trees

[livid yew]

Hey I worked at DSW closing shit

Got home around 1:30-2am

In HS

Wdym

[eager root]

God damn

These application rejections got hands

I need this "hiring freeze" to chill

[teal jackal]

Reminds me of Simeon from gta

Lmaoooooo

[sonic coral]

Bro I’ve been saying this lmao

We need mandatory retail/food service/hospitality experience to make people more empathetic

[coarse tusk]

I got an offer but I am stumped on whether I should go with Austin or SF, there is a pay bump for SF but the cost of living and income tax will probably wipe the bump out

[sonic coral]

How much is each offer

[coarse tusk]

Austin is about 110 base and SF is 126 base

[sonic coral]

I wouldn’t say they match up very well, austin def seems a better pick

Granted SF you might be able to get away without a car

So that’s something to consider

[coarse tusk]

its actually 136 for SF, I mistyped that

[sonic coral]

Ah see now that changes things

In that case it really depends on which you’d prefer

And if you have a car or not

[coarse tusk]

And I can work remote in both locations

[sonic coral]

If austin is remote you can get a really cheap place

But it depends on if you want the city life or are fine in the suburbs

One potential factor to consider with Texas is the separate power grid tho

[eternal mortar]

SF >>> Austin

[sonic coral]

Austin beats South Bay I think tho

Idfk I’m an east coast boi

[livid yew]

[sonic coral]

Im actually going to Texas for the first time on Wednesday lol

[livid yew]

[green pendant]

I hate south bay but I still don't think so lol

[sonic coral]

I mean how so lol

Granted all I know about either is shit from the internet so I might be wrong

[cloud zinc]

I've applied to a senior engineering role for Expedition, and somehow I managed to snag an interview with a technical recruiter. I was told to apply to this role in order to be considered for an entry level role, but this is what happened. How do I discuss this intention during the interview?

[north turtle]

Has anybody had Microsoft FT swe interview recently?

[west egret]

Microsoft isn’t hiring external candidates for NG this season

[north turtle]

oh why not?

[west egret]

Because they said they aren’t

And lots of interns took return offers

[nocturne seal]

Candidate experience form before hm means reject for palantir?

[west egret]

@queen valve are you Chinese? Noticed that your discord has #8888.

I only have one 8 in my discord user. No wonder I have less offers.

[foggy perch]

Huh didn't realize 8 was lucky

Obviously much more based to be 4444

[livid yew]

China #2

[west egret]

Chinese thing

[tardy geode]

god save this economy please 😭

[foggy perch]

obviously just like how your name being a weeb name is a coincidence

ye I understand this with my abc-ness

just never had any of my family bring up the number 8

idk I see a weeb pfp, thus you seem like a true weeb to me

also ow probs has a strong weeb correlation

bet you play that new weeb character they added in ow2

pokemon

yugioh

damn you have bad taste

digimon

sad

[west egret]

no Fullmetal Alchemist?

[foggy perch]

clearly you seem like a sword art online person to me

anime artstyle

thus it's weeb

glad you agree

maybe you watch worse anime like yuri on ice, mononoke, or ghibli films

hm

must a be a boku no pico enjoyer

voice actor fan smh

basically an idol fan

disgusting

you truly went through every degen phase

ow + idol + cmu

[mossy niche]

We have a few new grads joining my team next month

So they hiring for sure just not max amount

[west egret]

Are they external candidates though?

[nocturne seal]

I think there were some external candidates getting hired really early in the season

[west egret]

^ Yeah that I can see.

[tardy geode]

@gray dagger and @fallen fox y'all can try for canadian positions too right?

[timber rock]

2 rejects and a shit interview today 👍

lovely lovely day

[gray dagger]

Nope, not authorized to work in Canada

[tawdry skiff]

Oregairu

YOU HAVE THE WORST SHIPPING

HachiYuki

@pulsar mural

Back me up

[frank wedge]

It came from anime?

[foggy perch]

esports anime venn diagram

[teal jackal]

is getting a car in seattle worth it?

[small mountain]

cars 🤮

[teal jackal]

not sure if i want to pay for insurance and parking every month, not to mention the upfront cost of buying a car
It's hard to describe the pros in favor of getting a car, but what I will say is that I god damn hate the gig economy and refuse to become a dependent of the gig economy.

[small mountain]

all my homies ride public transport 💯 💪

[teal jackal]

And I don't like being a cuck to public transit
where it's like
you gotta be somewhere rn? lmao fuck u next bus is 47 minutes away

[mossy niche]

This just depends on the life you want

You wanna be reliant or just drop the $ and be free to go wherever whenever

[small mountain]

yeah NA public transport is a shitshow

[teal jackal]

I'd estimate around $500/mo for insurance and parking

and then $25k including tax for buying the car

[mossy niche]

Around 35K let’s round

Not bad tbh

[normal palm]

haha this hits home

[sonic coral]

Honestly public transit in Seattle is hit or miss, if you live in the walkable parts it’s not that bad but the streets are still pretty wide

[azure zephyr]

i hear parking at seattle apartment can be pretty expensive

[ivory stratus]

Holy shit how much you paying for parking?!

[azure zephyr]

like $300/month

[sonic coral]

Nah it’s closer to 150-200 but if you have a car you can live further out I think

You’re thinking of nyc prices lol

[ivory stratus]

Yeah that's not bad at all

[green pendant]

DRW spent 45 minutes asking me C++ trivia non stop lord help me

I'm about to get rejected asap lol

[peak mural]

Wait what did they ask? Can u give some examples

[green pendant]

A LOT about the c++ compiler

How it would optimize code

Virtual functions

Volatile methods

And a bunch of stuff I don't even remember very well

[livid yew]

Sheesh

And I thought 190 for parking was bad

$100 for car + renters insurance

[raven tusk]

uhh quick question. do yall think its worth to wait an extra month so I can put the company im gonna intern for (I start in feb) in my resume before I start applying? vs starting to apply now

[warm sky]

You can put it on your resume now as an "incoming intern". I don't think there's much difference between that and just starting

[west pagoda]

Where are the new year’s avalanche of jobs 🤡

Guess I’m back to shotgunning for random “junior” positions which really just want people with 1-2 years fulltime experience

[jovial latch]

God I feel that so much

[tender sluice]

Anyone else just applying to internships too?

[timber rock]

yeah

applying to anything and everything

[frank wedge]

That’s Philly prices lol

Nyc isn’t higher than that? I’m sure it is in most desirable places

[sonic coral]

Nyc is like 300+ depending on the neighborhood

[teal jackal]

at my uni we have a compilers cloass

do you guys have it

i never took it tho

[sonic coral]

Some cheaper neighborhoods are 150

But Seattle in any case 300 is def on the high end lol

Whereas that’s like avg for ny I think

[frank wedge]

My lot is 315-400

[teal jackal]

I think there's no point in not getting a car for me

[frank wedge]

The other building I considered was $330 ish

[teal jackal]

I will be using my car a lot probably

[frank wedge]

At least they’re walkable enough

[sonic coral]

You also live in bougieville don’t you