#2023_grads
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Too much
means u need to detox with 
social media and all those day in the life vids also inflated the demand
those vids are all basically
- i woke up late
- i go to work
- i should get breakfast
- i scroll my phone
- it’s lunch
- i’m going home
i’m gonna make one where i just put a black square because i’m not supposed to show my JOB
Flex the terrace
the food too
put me in the credits 
Wake up at 8am, lie down and do nothing until 11am, eat snacks for breakfast, play paragon, realize that I forgot to brush my teeth and do that at 3pm, play more vidya, surf the internet, order dinner and go pick it up, go home and watch YouTube or anime while eating, play a bit more paragon, surf the web, and go to bed and lie down on my phone for an hour before falling asleep
My average Saturday tbh
I need to check for comorbidity with ADHD since I'm convinced I have similar symptoms
Idk
bruh i’m battling my final semester the same way
i just do jack shit
two weeks 
I'm happy and sad college is over soon
I'm addicted to wikipedia and discord
Some people infinitely scroll ig and tiktok
anyone happen to know what the veeva remote work policy looks like? specifically for the engineering development program. curious since the job posting has a location listed but the description outlines the work anywhere policy
happens all the time

manager flaky af
bruh it was with some recruiter
I needed to cancel it, I don't want to waste your time as I reviewed your work experience and it is going to be too short for our requirements.
the recruiter WTF
Our ROKT Engineering team is growing fast, and it looks like you have been focused on similar projects and technologies as us! We're looking for Fullstack Software Engineers to join the ROKT team.
The complexity of our technical challenges is also growing rapidly as we scale our interfaces, and customer experience, this makes the impact you make very critical to our IPO and growth as a whole.
This is a hybrid opportunity working 3 days in the office, 2 days out, and 1 week a quarter from anywhere of your choosing.
ROKT is located in New York City at 175 Varick St, (located near the intersection of Soho and Tribeca). Good news is we do offer a relocation package if necessary.
If this sounds like an opportunity you would be interested in, then let me know when you have some time to connect, and I will make myself available.
Before sending the meeting invite 💀
I HATE SUCH RECRUITERS , WTF
Tbh I'd be in my joker arc of hating the world if that happened to me
I'm sorry mate
I'm ready to hear about how you wake up at 4 am with a cold shower to go on a 2 hour jog to prep yourself for a grindset at work
or the opposite where you're a tiktok swe and work 0 hours

lmao
get shafted
was the recruiter at least a hot person?
this is so trash
TOO SHORT. YOURE A NG
the bar used to be lower
I assume they collect emails through LinkedIn filters and there are likely false positives. amazon always ghosts after reaching out lol
this happened to me
AWS and they said it’s 100% remote
i said yes but uh
they needed some exp and also no way for my sake
playing over watch too much huh
disgusting
bruh i got 2yrs workex back in my home country
they wanted 2
💀
how is 2 too short for 2
Was that for the TDP or just a regular position?
Is Microsoft still on a hiring freeze?

msft (bellevue) vs bloomberg (nyc)?
Id take bbg no brainer because nyc >>>>>>>>>> seattle for me
But of course if you dont like nyc then thats different
Hm yeah I’ve never been to nyc before but Seattle is meh
MSFT is more accounting for COL
Yeah I kinda wanna try nyc but I’d have to renege MSFT…
I feel like it's more likely to be the upper mid ranks of cs majors, while the top people probs too busy grinding to even be here
Yeah problem is I’ve alr interned with MSFT before so I’m sure they’ll find out during the background check
I’m on EM round so I haven’t gotten an offer but I’d assume I’d get what everyone else gets. I’m not special 🤷
Yeah but they’ll call my manager at MSFT and he’ll be sus
Maybe I’m looking into it too much tho
They have tho
For background check
I know bc I put wrong info by accident lmfao
they just verify you worked there
Fair ty for the link
So I have an ethical dilemma. I’ve been at the same internship since May at a large retail company. It was originally just for summer but they’ve extended me until I graduate where they plan to hire me, but I haven’t signed a single thing since the original summer contract. I’m currently working part time during school and they’re training me basically to become a full time member of this team. But what they don’t know is, I recently accepted a significantly better offer at a large tech company. This internship is currently paying all my bills and I need the money, but at what point am I obligated to tell them? Obviously I won’t sign anything, but is the move to just focus on self interest and hold out as long as I can?
For context, I graduate in July, and I start my new job in august
i would just tell them at the time that you are actually gonna quit
yeah two weeks notice maybe
Well to me that goes without saying, but that’s like 7 months from now, I’m sure at some point the conversation is going to come up with my hr partner where she asks about my plans after college and such
better do it before they finalize any paper work
My internship is remote, I go to school in Florida, Post grad job is in Seattle
do you know how long it is gonna be before the hr stuff is like done?
I have no idea. No one from hr has checked in with me in months 😂
And no one on my team talks about it
I’m kinda just here
its probably gonna be a few months before
just give a non-answer like i will consider all offers when they ask if youre planning on staying
yeah you can be vague
anyone have any resources to negotiate salary
That was the plan. I just didn’t know if I’d be an asshole for that
bruh didnt you nego with aws
theres a blog pinned somewhere in some channel in this disc
This ^^
ok yeah thats it
how can i politely remind my recruiter i have a deadline at the end of the week?
Did Anyone get Walmrt FullTime Software Engineer?
I am on the Second Round and a little confused where the work is located
accept both
On a personal level I'm afraid that I'll be a shit software engineer.
However I also believe my current qualifications deserve better than my current outcome and response rate and etc.
fr
even bloomberg might rescind too
u never know
bloomberg may have overhired
nope
i made a mistake
and now i face the consequence
pin pushed everyones start date till aug
im a dec grad so ill be literally jobless for 8 months
nah im starting OF

out of curiosity, what is your response rate
any sources on this
read the rest of my messages lmao
bbg seems like the place that would just put overhired engineers in lower priority parts but thats just my opinion
i dont think we can paste images btw @nocturne oriole
(fixed btw)
like 8% now, 3 active interviews out of 100 apps, every other company which responded has rejected me for good or ghosted beyond hope
Damn bruh
That's rough but 3 interviews out of 8 responses is pretty good. Loads of companies ghost after oa ime
its ok for the economy
Yeah. I'm currently at 8 real interviews out of 64 apps (55% response rate including everything)
from a fiscal standpoint what's the point of pushing new grad start date?
i dont see a reason unless they're seriously considering rescinding new grad offers
sucks cause pin seems like such a nice place 
Yeah this
"gives them more time to prep for us" - my recruiter
There is enough doubt they will put u on backburner
whole point of pushing to then is cuz thats like mid Q3, they wanna analyze Q1 and Q2 and prepare for the worse so that they can still accept ng by the time q3 rolls around
wasnt pin already doing pretty well relatively speaking
Pinterest Inc beat estimates for quarterly revenue on Thursday, making it a rare bright spot in an otherwise downbeat social media sector and sending the image-sharing platform's shares 15% higher in after-hours trading.
tiktok 
tiktok will do bad if @pulsar mural works there
Late response but me and this one dude got it up to 300k and 285k respectively for new grad
I got mine last year, other guy got his this year early August iirc
All the defense contractors are still hiring like crazy - I get that their pay is nowhere near as good as many of the tech companies talked about here, but a ng start is better than nothing
Granted getting an interview at those contractors is all luck as opposed to skill
yeah mostly luck, for skill, they look for basic competency
since they're a bit boomer
Remember to touch grass tonight
Touch snow
Also most defense companies will want you to be a US citizen and or have clearance
The latter you can't have without being a citizen lmao
^ True but a majority of the other companies that hired this year didn't sponsor visas either
anyone received OA from Fitch Group?
i had the easiest application process ever lol
14 applications, 3 weeks later i had an offer. i couldve shot for higher but meh, i was happy to have an offer so i took it
Palantir recruiter has been ghosting me since last Tuesday, said things were tracking “generally positive” after my HM interview. Any of y’all know if this means anything?
Some of them have hiring events and hire students on the spot
Has anyone interviewed for SAP next talent? Would like to know their interview process
Please help 🙏
jesus lord I just want a job


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@pulsar mural
no snow yet


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ayo its me


How do I prepare for palantir decomp or just high level sys design in general
Palantir Study Materials
Hey! So I recently joined this server and I need a reality check
I am going to be graduating in May of 2023
How likely will it be I can get a job before that point, after?
Cause I started doing more leetcode problems this week and updating resume but I keep hearing the layoffs/lack of hiring and I'm noivus
How many applications have you sent so far
what's the lc count
I want to say... at least 100? Some I havent heard back from, some I didnt pass the OAs
Not high tbh, I want to say like 12+ and learning more strategies
I know I got a ways to go, leetcode wise

Are you in the interview pipeline at any of those places?
I'm not entirely sure what that means, so I'm going to respond with a probably not 
And yeah just grind LC and hope that more jobs open up in Jan-March
Openings have really slowed down recently
That's comforting... kidna.. sorta ish 
BUT
Okay
Grind continues
Good luck to you all



are you a citizen?
you can apply for defense
you can apply for the defense agencies, and while their pay isn’t as high as big companies. they’re not crazy about LC
as long as you get something in the bag, then you can be more selective after
This is what I've heard as well, that they're mostly behavioral focused with some technical
Cause my goal is to eventually work at a FAANG company
yeah very behavioral heavy
But I gotta start somewhere cause bills are due
Hop after a year or two should be easy if you grind LC and sys design during that time as well
yeah defense and banks have good WLB
//is dumb what is WLB?
Work life balance
In interned at a Defense contractor and second what has been said. For me it was mostly behavorial with some trivia type questions like what is inheritance
Also important to know you need to be able to get a security clearance to work in defense which means no criminal record or drug usage of any kind. You can always lie but it's technically a felony to lie on the form so I wouldn't recommend
Is it easy to transition from a defense/bank to a FAANG company?
I've heard theres a chance to get stuck in that regard
Also that name made me lol
Also no DRUGs

Thats fine
it’s not unheard of
Just my opinion and I might be biased but the tech is completely untransverable from Defense to FAANG like even work culture so shockingly different
I would much rather work at the worlds shittiest start up at least using modern tech vs defense if I was in a pinch but at the end of the day big picture it's still a good paying job with lots of job security
people have been going from jpmc to faang
Yeah that was what I was a bit worried about
I feel like JPMC is like a different realm, at least from the stories Ive heard
some places will offer internships to graduated individuals (ik redhat does). Might be worth applying to them in tandem to ur other apps
internships the most secure path to a good job
Yeah as of now, I'm just consistently applying to internships/jobs and grinding leetcode
meta interns would like a word lol

eh regardless you can always just take what you get then renege if you get something way better/faang like
if you can lc then yeah
but paying the bills is the big priority
Yeahhh...
Did you get an offer for defense or are you just considering applying?

Considering applying. I've been applying to places like Netflix/TikTok/Pinterest and what not
But I just started my leetcode journey seriously
So I wanted to know
If I need the jon
*job
*a job I should say
What should I look towards for a bit quicker results
Ah gotcha yeah man fuck it just apply what's the worst that can happen? lol You get the job and decide you don't want it? No downside to applying and their interview processes are pretty mellow too
If that makes sense
Yeah exactly
Yeah I'm throwing my resume/applications evreywhere
I applied and finished process with tons of places that I wouldn't really want to work at. But I applied to anything that paid like over 70k a year
Yeah exactly
Yeah just apply everywhere you see, tbh if you just started leetcoding I would not bank on getting places like tiktok/netflix/pinterest that you said you applied for
Just something where I can make a little nest, then branch out and get that 150k+
you should refuse to apply to anywhere that doesn't meet that goal
No yeah for sure. That was what a friend told me. But I wanted to at least see
Like get some OA experiecne
And see how I improve
But you might as well give them a shot at least. Never know you could get lucky
Still worth applying but yeah it takes a while everyone picks up LC at different rates. Also just worth the experience
Yeah exactly
Also
They need more Machine Learning Internships

But okay for sure
Thank you guys for the insight

This is facts, super hard to break into
I have heard, I want to specialize in ML/AI
Because I clearly like games in hardmode

LC + ML which is a way larger surface area of possible questions
just from what i've heard from friends
Lots more stats and math stuff
akuna quant trader interviewees in the house?
the day i didn't get a rto from my internship , i promised myself to do LC everyday until i get one offer

and still going on
^inspiration
they missed out on a hard working person
so how many lc you at now 
270
the ones i met at least
do you guys apply to senior software eng roles... my ziprecruiter algo is all f'd up
Senior roles as a new grad?
im just kidding mostly
my algo is fucked up, wondered if anyone had finagled this
or ziprecruiter is just like, heres a job for person_xyz since you mentioned software
I've had recruiters message for a senior role, but I just ignore it 
yea cuz you know if it goes anywhere theyre gonna ask some crazy shit and waste your time
I think it's crazy how many moving parts there are in an internal combustion engine
Basically how a gas car works is that the engine works to ignite fuel and air to create little explosions within the cylinders, and those create compression that generates energy
I'm getting into watching car tuning YouTube
I'm pretty fascinated with internal combustion and automotive tuning
they do be pretty cool
check out microwaves next
meanwhile the car manufacturing probably burns tons of coal I imagine
Has anyone heard back from bbg recently, been 2 weeks since my EM round
actual hardware engineering is really interesting
all the internals of all things you use
all the physics
semiconductors are crazy too
machinery as a whole is crazy
but cars have a special place in my heart
VROOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMM
BRAPBRAPBRAP
UEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
the sound of the engine, exhaust, and tires
@grizzled bronze 
my school had this prof for semi conductors that gave a whole class F
they replaced him
but he was notorious for failing everyone
profs like that objectively suck
Rotaries ❤️
he did pass away prior to this semester
since he stopped teaching the course, another class has overtaken it in being considered the hardest
im graduating in 5 days, my theory is some profs just simply get bored talking about A* and djikstra, so they find their own little honeypot of questions to ask and seem smarter than the crowd
electrical engineering courses make cs look like a joke ngl
congrats
thx
i finish by the 20th
i did electrical tech in military, yea electrical schematic design is no joke
do you have deadlines with other companies
I had, bbg kept telling me to extend them
what you got lined up next
im gonna probably just fuck off most of december
sending in apps
january looking at a full neetcode rehab routine
bruh lmao
Has anyone had the second round interview at Walmart?
whats the best way to negotiate with a similar offer?
why is ruby and go so hot, I swear im seeing so many job ads asking for them
also what's everyones take on working on personal development projects instead of leetcode over the break
anyone know how long jp morgan takes to respond after oa
if you’re getting interviews do leetcode, if you’re not getting interviews do projects
it feels wild to me when my interviewers linkedin says "i have 20 YOE as a software engineer" and im 20/21
Can someone send me Amazon discord invite?
This server has done nothing but bring me down as a person. everyday i come in here and all you do is tear me down insult me hurt me with your words and do nothing but harm me emotionally physically mentally and I just can’t take it any longer this server is so abusive and toxic it’s crazy. no one even realizes how disgusting all of your behaviors are. every single time I talk or type or even do anything or interact with anyone in the server everybody just goes against me and gangs up on me like a pack of wolves and just attacks me and i didn’t do anything to deserve these attacks and these hurtful words. i literally just try to be nice to everybody but nobody ever wants to be in my shoes and nobody ever tries to sympathize with me and see where I’m coming from all of you just see me as the enemy and as the bad guy that’s trying to ruin the server or something when really I’m just trying to spread positivity. you guys act like I’m some kind of virus or disease, constantly casting me out so much, making me feel so left out and so alone in this server. it’s fucking driving me insane I feel mental and I feel like a weirdo just being around all of you because of how you treat me. at this point in time, I’ve given up on ever trying again and ever becoming any of your friends because I just know your feelings towards me clearly. i know all of you hate me and never want to be around me again or never have anything to do with me. it’s clear that you all think I’m a joke and that I’m stupid, idiotic and boring. it’s so mean because I literally don’t do anything to you guys but you guys always act like you hate me and it makes me feel so confused because I don’t know what I did to deserve it. I feel like I should just leave because clearly nobody wants to be around me and everyone would be happier if i left anyways so i’ll just go and i hope all of you find happiness in life and i’m sorry for all the troubles i’ve ever put any of you through. i give up goodbye
Copy pasta?
This server has done nothing but bring me down as a person. everyday i come in here and all you do is tear me down insult me hurt me with your words and do nothing but harm me emotionally physically mentally and I just can’t take it any longer this server is so abusive and toxic it’s crazy. no one even realizes how disgusting all of your behaviors are. every single time I talk or type or even do anything or interact with anyone in the server everybody just goes against me and gangs up on me like a pack of wolves and just attacks me and i didn’t do anything to deserve these attacks and these hurtful words. i literally just try to be nice to everybody but nobody ever wants to be in my shoes and nobody ever tries to sympathize with me and see where I’m coming from all of you just see me as the enemy and as the bad guy that’s trying to ruin the server or something when really I’m just trying to spread positivity. you guys act like I’m some kind of virus or disease, constantly casting me out so much, making me feel so left out and so alone in this server. it’s fucking driving me insane I feel mental and I feel like a weirdo just being around all of you because of how you treat me. at this point in time, I’ve given up on ever trying again and ever becoming any of your friends because I just know your feelings towards me clearly. i know all of you hate me and never want to be around me again or never have anything to do with me. it’s clear that you all think I’m a joke and that I’m stupid, idiotic and boring. it’s so mean because I literally don’t do anything to you guys but you guys always act like you hate me and it makes me feel so confused because I don’t know what I did to deserve it. I feel like I should just leave because clearly nobody wants to be around me and everyone would be happier if i left anyways so i’ll just go and i hope all of you find happiness in life and i’m sorry for all the troubles i’ve ever put any of you through. i give up goodbye
Answer
Anyone hear back from eBay?
got back to me in a week with a final invite, OA performance wasnt even perfect
new cscd copypasta dropped?
a good idea, I'm planning on doing that
id say juggle both
Anything thinking of joining Duolingo? How's the culture here
I’m still waiting to hear back after final.But I think some ppl have gotten rejected after the final already
any thoughts on hive ai vs bloomberg?
layoffs in nutanix
i never was gonna do it lol
if the OA is the same as it was in september, shits too hard
i got the superday invite 8 days after
for new grad
i did it back in 2020, read the two questions and closed the OA
or 2021 i forgot the exact year
wtf is a salesforce developer?
dev who only works on salesforce?
Has anyone done Cognex final interview? What’s it like? What’s in the technical part?
canada or naw
nope. united states
Day 1 of SysDesign prep: idk where to start but I’ll look at grokking
For where??
Intel
I used grokking and watched exponent system design videos on YouTube, just know that no answer is perfect and you can always add your own twist
Normal for on-site
how can I survive
how do you answer when they ask you what you couldve done better or what kinda issues you ran into when it comes to a project or internship or whatever? Like idk bruh i just coded that shit and google shit when i didnt know what to do. The standard experience yaknow like idk what to say 😂
When is your learning and decomp interview?
It hasnt been scheduled yet; recruiter hasnt reached out
Have you had it?
Ah same situation
When’d you do your karat?
Not yet, but my recruiter said it'll mostly be in early Jan
19th Nov and had the HR call yesterday
Ohhhh okok so I guess we got some time
I wanted to share this to the layoff support page
Are you based in London?
No, US
@marsh sand pltr production engineer phone in 2 hr 
Omg good luck!! This is HR call right
Ah I see im based in London; they forced me to do Karat within 7 days so I had to be quick
Thank god I solved 3/3
Use STAR format, and think up of the situations in advance
Good luck! 
same question
I hate the “describe your failure” Qs cuz if you talk about some really messed up failure they just reject you
No matter how good the answer
i.e. I discovered a bug in security and it broke prod
but i cant think of any situations? Could you provide a common example?
just make something up
you should talk about your failure and how you worked to turn that failure into some kind of goodexperience
I prepared a few stories for this type of question. Don’t use examples where you resolved issue by searching stackoverflow. I used examples where I had project dependencies with other teams that blocked me. I talked about how to resolved it by raising the issue, communicating with other team, and steps to unblock. In hindsight, I could have talked to the other team at start of project to scope potential issues.
I can only think about tight deadline
i cant think of anything beyond oh yeah we couldve communicated better to make this go more smoothly
Most common examples: I had difficulty context-switching or project was too big or too small in scope
i usually just give a canned response like i jumped into implementation too fast and should have spent more time becoming comfortable with the tools and making a design or whatever
@earnest tiger got that same message from them
But i just got another offer so I’m gonna see if they can expedite me or something
Who knows
I got competing offer too
They said they’ll try their best
But potential delay still could be expected
@earnest tiger when is ur deadline with offer
Damn bro, why recruiters tell that you will be moved to the final stage of interviews but then you receive a rejection email with no feedback?
🙄
@jaunty basalt hey can u add me :))) want to dm
if i grad this month, is there anyway i can apply to winternships 2023 or summer internships
most of the big tech will need u to be in school if u want to do an internship
u can try startups
if i lie about grad date background check will fuck me over right
layoffs right after holidays
yeah there is a good chance
woahhhhhhhhhhhhh
didnt expect this much in nov
When they ask those questions, they wanna see that you've failed and grown from it. A SWE that has never failed is a shitty SWE.
My go to is under delivering on a critical project. I got feedback from my client that I wasn't delivering correctly or appropriately. I took that in, asked tons of questions on how I could improve and then I talked about how because of that process I became great at delivering quality products in time. What company doesn't want someone like that y'know?
Common sense stuff
snowflake still hiring for winter
dont think grad date can come up in background check
and they accept grads?
really?
idk if they accept grads
i thought background checks just checked for criminal records
so i should just lie my way thru
but could u not just take an online class and delay graduation
could be wrong though
?
i had to submit my transcripts for bg checck
a lil late now
im pretty much already graduated
lol
oh ic
congrats my guy
snowflake uses hireright and i didnt submit a transcript
at least not yet lol
u planning for job?
oh shit nvidia did hireright too
yes I graduate this summer and I got an offer with them
im tryna get a job from feb - aug lol
what about someone who already grad
feb-aug? lol
weird time but yeah
why* this specific duration?
did u get the masters intern salary or undergrad
i dont start my fte till august
cuz it got pushed back
and i really have nothing else to do
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
master's
they cant push it earlier?
nope 😦
Which company?
im trying to ask
lol what why did i get undergrad
lol that's weird
did you clarify with your recruiter?
she just said "oh ur a senior, then 50"
?avatar @lament summit
gonna b homeless for 8 months
how likely do u think pinterest rescinds
just do some startups
pretty unlikely
i was on waitlist and then rejected this morning LOL
like a 20% chance
hiring freeze
or work in a lab if you r into that
yea sucks, still wonder if it's skill issue
yeah they accepted < 30 ng this year, including return interns
like if i had done better in my interviews, mightve expedited decision idk
I still don’t understand whats the need to delay december grads until august when theres probably like 10 of us
dont think u couldve done anything else, it was literally about who scheduled it earlier lol
😐

aca and i both need jobs
someone send help
Indeed

I shouldve signed every offer and then reneged but i wanted to be nice
is it disrepectful to ask for help in #layoffs_support lol
o well
just apply here https://github.com/andyyu8588/Winter2023-Internships
worth a shottt
realistically though what are yall are going to do if you cant find a 2023 grad job
masters?
i feel like grad school will be ultra competitive this year too...
masters is easy to get in
but not worth it
if you want to do a swe job
a program will be like 10-30K per sem
cash cow masters?
or what schools are easy to get in
i know omscs is not that bad to get admitted into
Computer Science Rankings
everything from rank 20-50 are ez
And fairly inexpensive
do people do omscs ft?
yeah
Me too, I had final on 11/8 and was ghosted since then
wow how is UIUC 2nd???
lol dont take this too seriously
just a measure of research content
which is the prime focus of masters
Accenture 🫣
ideally yes
where u had offers?
BBG is bloomberg?
yea
pinterest has a ton of shit i love
however
they pushed all the start dates to august

and i graduate in december lol
Has anyone done the Expedia new grad interview?
nah
same 
i think they're doing some kind of exception for people on visas or something idk
we really got dicked
but lik

thats a whole baby
dont worry about that. In the long term, it will be nothing
inb4 piin rescinds
yeah thats true. i try to cope with shit thinking that way lol
Yes
it still sucks though
yeah

have y'all seen the movie "submarine"? in that movie, for every stback the main character is like "ok but will it matter in 48 years"
i always think that shit lmao
in 48 years, i will be 71
alright which one of you is this
@pulsar mural stop shit posting on reddit
lmao
The only recruiting that was done in 1929 was for fucking war lmao
someone boutta say this is worse than recruiting during the civil war
ugh honestly tho recruiting this season is still skill issue for me
like quants were hiring so much
my narcissism agrees with you
But idk how I'd fair if I had to do what I did again this year
this season definitely the most polarizing
i feel for all those poor software engineers in 1929
Anyone know what companies are hiring new grads right now. The market is looking like straight dooky
I'm also wondering the same thing
Kinda been slacking a bit on apps cause of how bleak the market looks rn
Geico
is google giving out offers for new grads rn
yeah my team just got a new L3 from Meta
I thought they were only doing intern conversion for now 😮
That makes sense, my start date would be in August so
it's next tuesday
fuck
I feel like I messed up in terms of planning out a route to enter game dev
Because I feel bad that I stalled so hard on applying to internships and didn't apply to enough game dev places
the only game dev openings are internships
Felt
I've made my decision with winter break
I will work on my game engine and work on making a game in UE5
I will learn unreal engine
Grokking vs system design primer
not gonna see many at this time mate
its over for the year
went with Grokking instead
Grokking is W
grok deez nuts
Wait what isn’t that the period between WW1 and 2
anybody have insight into oracle's process?
whats googles process for new grads
for me its technical phone screen -> onsite
Yes that is indeed when the great depression ocurred
There was no draft in America until pearl harbor in 1941
Idk US History lmao
Just guessing based on broader history
More often than not the US has been consistently at war with something since it's inception
its so nice
zoom emailed me about 2023 intern position and that i'm still under consideration when I didn't even apply for it
That screenshot is for new grad though
camille farmer the next jesus for a lot of us in here
You already have a job
Y'all that's creepy, let's not post her photo/LinkedIn or say comments like that here
the absolute state of cscd tbh
we get image privileges back and we do this
Idk I Gsearch people as a reflex at this point but come on guys
Jim life is supposed to help with this guy smh
What offer did you accept?
Nice!
Ayo wtf I just saw this shit
You guys are degens

im scared for Palantir decomp
Next time I get an interview I'm gonna ask if I can use ChatGPT if they say "you are free to use any Internet resources" 
Just had my HR call for Palantir today and my recruiter said she’d send my application with my karat results and her notes and someone might reach out over the weekend or next week.. is this a bad sign? I think I’ve seen other people here get to schedule their VO very quickly after
this
Hmmm might be mixed signal; my recruiter told me that I’d progress on the phone call

greatest helper of all time but this will target people who make crud apps
crud app developers next on the chopping block thanks to AI
What is a “crud” app? Isn’t that just all backend services
And imo ChatGPT is pretty much a god at JS/front end stuff. But it regularly gets go stuff wrong at least afaict
But it’ll get better which is scary
Create read update delete
Like ik what crud means
But isn’t pretty much everything a crud app, unless it’s like a dev tool or something
It’s not like crud apps weren’t all just templates with business logic mixed in anyway
Does Palantir have annual bonus?
yeah vast majority of stuff is crud
This is actually wild though like are they going to have to start proctoring everything?
can probably try graphql too
this isn’t a great example cuz I can already auto generate this
Like where I work I would never write my own endpoints, we have a script that does it for us
The most interesting part of this is how good it is at explaining stuff. After a certain scale the challenge isn’t writing apps, it’s designing for performance/efficient teams.
someone on twitter successfully linked two apis together and added some new functionality with it
yeah basically
Heck most of the code you’ll write in the first 2-5 years of your career is code that has already been written
To me at least, generating ideas and conceptualizing solutions is the hardest part of coding. ChatGPT does both.. and I'm happy to tweak the things it spits out because that's the easiest part for me
Yeah it does both in the same way that summarizing the first page of a Google does. Which is really helpful for us
And also itll only get better
Hmm sometimes all people need is a little push
This seems more like a robotic shove lmao
We’re definitely going to be actually writing less code
A lot of our jobs will eventually change to data curation, fact checking, and validation
In other words we’ll probably just be abstracted up a level into pms
I had a convo with a TL on my team about this today
Insane
It's definitely gonna lean to us either converting to becoming more systems architect roles
Or leaving the field entirely
yeah basically
Because being an architect is inevitably a different set of skills
I do think understanding languages at a deep level will still be important
Do you guys think it's worth to learn AI though
But only for like 10% of apps
Like the deep math of AI
Yes
i feel like the deep math would be if you wanna develop said systems
If anything it’ll demistify how this stuff works
Learning AI can only benefit you, not harm you.
Knowing the math at a decent level is great but any deep knowledge unless you plan on going into the specific adjacent sectors, is overkill imo
yeah, its not gonna replace our jobs, it should enhance
Like ChatGPT terrified me until I realized it’s just statistical inference with a great language processing system
im not a believer in all the dooming
It's just there is a hard course I could take next semester around the DL area and I wasn't planning to take it but now I have second thoughts
I suppose it's worth it
Hard to imagine what we would become in 10 years
In 5-10 years we’ll each have our own ai assistant
I mean we already do technically
But it’ll actually be good
A few years ago I couldn't even find a translator between python and Java leetcode...
yeahhh it terrifies me
And this assistant won’t just be for simple stuff, it’ll respond to texts for you, make videos, post on social media, etc. on ur behalf
the advancement of this will just seemingly put out a lot of engineers of a job
Basically mediocre code monkeys will be out of a job yes
i still think a big majority of jobs wont be replaced
It's your last semester. Don't do that to yourself
The question is whether this will help the economy
You're not gonna get a PhD right
I think they will, but we’ll just shift to other things
Yea no
can you imagine having the AI run resources on the cloud without a set of double eyes
Like we’re still going to be employed, and in the net there will probably be more jobs
Yeah then fuck that DL course, just do the bare minimum and gtfo. I'll guarantee you that you won't remember 90% of what you learned
But it’ll be different jobs
And live on even after you die
So if AI replaces current jobs ==> where would new jobs be?
Who knows
probably validators for the AI
Yea true
Yeah it’ll disrupt everything
But I do feel like things are coming for programmers and artists first
id love to see the leech of finance get replaced
anybody heard back from bloomberg, after giving EM round recently?
yeah artists are coming first
I feel bad for artists cuz they’re basically getting their work stolen to automate their jobs
It's because people think that those two professions don't deserve the money they get
Or at least that's my hypothesis
No I think it’s because there’s tons of available data
Why artists?
Well look at DALLE
It can literally do a graphic designer’s job already
And much faster and more cheaply
also idk if u read but if u google youll find out some of the artists work is being copied by AI and they end up using that in adverts and what not
The moat swes have is that someone’s gotta validate, maintain, monitor, and design the systems that are built
That doesn’t exist for artists, they just create the work based on a request, there’s some iteration, and it’s done
So basically- average people would get fucked
I imagine top people would still be on top, potentially with the use of AI
It’ll be more important than ever to be an expert
Because we still need ppl to do this currently
average people have been historically been fucked
ofcourse the top will somehow justify their need to exist
There prolly just be less of them
Well if u think about it, there’s still so much software to be built and not enough (competent) swes
ill believe the earth is flat when the top decides to unanimously decide they need few of their own kind at the top
So hopefully it’ll mean that there’ll be just more being built, not necessarily fewer swes
yeah it was something like that, i only read about it in passing some time ago
but youre spot on
Aye bro u can message here
legally you get away with copying an authors work
Not specifically talking bout swes
Yeah this is what I'm looking at too. I tweaked it to spit back what's basically a plagiarised version of one of the books I'm reading but when I put it into a plagiarism checker it turns up negative
I’m curious if the vast majority of stuff on the internet becomes gpt or dalle generated
It'll prob be treated like deepfake. Innovation will slow down, restrictions will be emplaced but otherwise nothing would change
Won’t that kill the advancement of the ai, since it’ll just be learning from itself lol
That would suck but honestly I can't see that happening
Like u can feed it more data, but it’ll just be its own stuff lol
Those two things are more for you than for others though right
Unless your end goal was to monetize on it, doing those two is good for you regardless
Ahhh I see
Wouldn't hurt to try I think
Btw I say all this
But there’s also this
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/andrewyng_chatgpt-is-sometimes-amazing-and-sometimes-activity-7006053588837826560-xOL9
I get it, I never said I had the same email. Only zoom is common
I searched extensively but apparently decomp is more API and DB design than SysDesign
So you dont need to go in depth w like load balancing kind of stuff
Interesting , thanks. Good thing I’m prob equally poor at both lol
Ahahah you still have time dont worry too much; how far apart was your recruiter call and onsite?
I just got an email that I’m progressing to onsite today
My recruiter call was a while ago but she said that they wouldn’t be able to schedule an on-site until after thanksgiving (which obviously they eventually did)
aight i got a phone interview with the New York Times about how much harder the tech job hunt is this season
what are like the main points i should highlight
- everyone is applying to either bbg or palantir
fr i was gonna say there are like 2-3 companies that are consistently interviewing
Brb lemme get some mcflurries from mcdonalds
but then you’ll argue about ethics and creative freedom
i mean you can say art is the highest form of human expression
fs, just curious if u know what the “final” round for Evolve is like. Blind said it’s multi behavioral round w director. you also said earlier it’s multi round. but all i got was a short coding round so i’m confused.
It is multi round
U pass that then there’s a round with a hiring manger which is behavioral
Whatever is in this multi round that can change
Also I got job for 2022
Things could’ve changed, ie got easier cuz how did u only get one short coding round 
But also it’s Apple
Don’t pay attention to other peoples process cuz it’s not consistent
idk 😂
it does seem ppls processes are diff
also language recruiter used indicates this short coding is the final?? unless they’re jus like sike that was final part 1
Even Atlassian, streamlined process, got rid of system design
Oh U didn’t even do it?
Oh btw the final round can be split between multiple days if u want
I didn’t
But maybe they did it for you?
i did 4 separate interviews already
some of which were coding
idk why they want another 🙆♂️
So they just dragged it
prolly
tbh I get why companies arbitrarily reject, even with perfect results
a lot of interviewers probably use "vibes" as a tiebreaker or an important factor
tbh I would reject people on nothing other than that I don't like the person's tone while speaking since I infer that that kind of tone suggests the candidate has a personality that would be difficult to work with for me
I realized why considering "vibes" as a factor is often important
There are personality types that I'd never like to work with again
they might be a match made in heaven for someone else, but a match made in hell for me
I'm using ChatGPT to help me with STAR based questions 
Damn even chatgpt couldn’t find the optimal solution to my problem
Can it actually?
waaaait I reread this and this looks like a good sign actually
I really hope so 🤞
like for me my recruiter told me someone else will reach out to me to schedule my VO; seems like the same thing for your case
has anyone here know anything about or know what to expect from an interview at Tanius Technology? ( https://tanius.com/ ) - small quant / hft firm in california
damn got suboptimal working, but optimal verbal is that most likely rej
new leetcode UI is out
and it doesnt look good
It looks good + dark mode
But that's it, functionally it's a downgrade
why did my # of lc problems solved decreased from 342 to 42 after the UI update
bruh
ok it got fixed now for some reason 
I dont like the logo
looks lame
deno dino is cuter
Lol
About time! All I care about is dark mode and the editor
is getting an internship easier or harder than landing a new grad role?
just wondering what I will be going through next year
it is usually harder to land an internship but this year is special
As of now it's generally "easier"
But new grad may still be "easier" depending on which company you're applying for, forget big tech (still apply, but don't expect anything)
is that the same for intl applicants?
i assumed intl would be much harder because they would need to be sponsored in the future
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/06/technology/tech-jobs-internships-computer-science.html
if you want the world to know your "suffering"
its been a week since the last bb offer
they r hella slowed down... very close to done if theyre not
What’s more common for Palantir HM? Behavioral + Coding or Behavioral + Decomp?


Getting interviews might be easier for NG. But NG interviews might be harder and more rounds
100% ng. interviews are almost always harder and have more rounds
Keep sending apps bro


My exp has been different, I hate OAs, but usually do okay in interviews. So getting to the interview is tougher for me.
For code signal, does anyone know if the general coding assessment could have repeating questions between companies (like a shared test bank) or from the practice assessments?
Asking bc I feel like if someone were to spam codesignal for practice then they can probably get 4/4 given they do enough assesments
practice questions don't appear on the real test
But questions on one GCA can appear on another, so yes you can get repeat questions
I suck at both 😦
Anyone know if chainalysis schedules a meeting after the final to reject or is always to present an offer?
Does anyone have any advice on how to warm up the brain in the morning?
My brain is dumb until around 12pm or so
i just ate a kiwi
and i feel my iq points shooting up
i was advised to eat fruit for breakfast
Well my first meeting is at 9am every day, so I just have to be smart lmao
I have a banana every day 😂
the acidity, juiciness, coldness, and sweetness of fruit
is an excellent combo for energizing someone
zon?
No
i like wet fruits like oranges, kiwis, strawberries, etc
Dumb assumption on your part
In the future I'll probably make it a routine to eat fruits for breakfast every day
I don't really like eggs, toast, bagels, etc
I'd rather just eat fruit to wake up, and have that hold me until lunch
😂
wow unprecedented
mainstream media realizing that cs majors are fucked
Time to switch careers 
Hopefully y'all have some other experience from part time high school jobs
I luv eggs
Breakfast is one of my favorite meals 😋
Bruh that's like the staple of breakfast
Clearly you grew up in a much different household
western breakfast maybe
True, I guess a lot of y'all are from Asia or something

yo salesforce gonna do layoff too?












