2023_grads

[tardy geode]

i did nothing today

i feel guilty

[sonic coral]

Wtf that’s news to me

[tardy geode]

[sonic coral]

I was under the impression many internationals just get resume reject

Because of companies not wanting to sponsor

Never thought they’d take you on and just be like wile no work auth for you

[lament summit]

rare

[fallen fox]

even if you pass resume screen you can still get rejected later because of sponsorship

[tardy geode]

happened with me

[sonic coral]

Yeah but I meant like you’ll get reject before signing offer no?

[lament summit]

time to get married

[pulsar mural]

[fallen fox]

yea

[lament summit]

looking for a hubby, needs to make 400k+

and ill marry them

[nocturne oriole]

[forest aspen]

i just got expedia phone invite but no python allowed do i pick up java again just for the interview?

[tardy geode]

wtfff

[lament summit]

just say can i use python3 then

[tardy geode]

i thought companies were flexible

[lament summit]

just go cpp

ez

[tardy geode]

i can't do anything except hello world in java

[timber rock]

Way cheaper, as far as I know the company doesn't really need to "sponsor" in the same way as h1b they just need to give you a job offer and you do the rest yourself

Definitely not an expert on us immigration law tho

[forest aspen]

bro java is the most cringe language ever and every offer i have gotten so far is for java dev

[foggy perch]

looking for hubby, needs to be a millaionire, 80+ years old, and have a chronic disease, and I'll marry them

[tardy geode]

hate java too lol

[lament summit]

lmao

[foggy perch]

just program in scratch

[lament summit]

and no children

or family members

[foggy perch]

children and family members allowed if I get to book some vacations for them

[glass egret]

That’s a false. Management can change their mind whenever they want. When they find a cheaper replacement.

[foggy perch]

hook me up with an 80 year old in your quant company pweez

[glass egret]

Or tell you they will no sponsor you when you are 5 month in

The decision of sponsorship for small companies is very objective.

[forest aspen]

you think this would work? or would i be stupid to try

[lament summit]

stupid to try

[outer radish]

bruh this is wild

[teal jackal]

tbh im scared of the hiring bar at local companies, if people like my dad are the ones running the show
my dad is HUGE on asking programming language trivia

i feel like even trying to find a local company is hard

since the hiring bar is a lot weirder

theres no methodology

they just hire whoever they want

[whole roost]

Ya it's not like big tech where LC + sys design and ur good to go

[forest aspen]

for local companies its like political campaigning lol in my experience they like barely advertise and you gotta have connections

[deep wasp]

When I worked at a local software company, they basically straight up hired on referral, like I could’ve told them ‘my friend x is good’ and they would’ve hired him.

[teal jackal]

ill talk to my dads friends if i cant find any job on my own

tbh

[forest aspen]

ive had a couple of interviews with local companies and i was really not asked any DSA questions, but i was asked like behavioral stuff

[teal jackal]

my dads friends are super spread out among local companies

[forest aspen]

nah lowk do it now, use every unfair advantage you can

its not unethical, it just makes the most sense

[teal jackal]

yeah im past the point where i care about the ethics of nepotism

[sonic coral]

Yep I worked at a local software place that does stuff for mutual funds and the only other intern other than me was a student of the ceo who’s a professor lol

[sonic coral]

I got my career started at the place my dad worked at, there’s no shame in it

[foggy perch]

money > ethics and everything

[teal jackal]

"If you cant get into big tech just apply to local companies"
Local companies:

[whole roost]

money > morals

[teal jackal]

Tbh big tech going bust has a VERY profound effect on the immediate future of CS majors

[sonic coral]

Big tech isn’t bust, it’s bust for new grads for the indefinite future

[teal jackal]

for us, our prospects as a new grad are bust

Lolllll

I don't know how I'm gonna get a job without university hiring programs

how the FUCK am i supposed to compete as an industry hire with people with YoE?

[forest aspen]

your connections

its lowk your biggest asset, and it will probably continue to be for a long time if not forever

[teal jackal]

yeah

too bad I don't know many alumni

I'll talk to my dads friends at local places

[ripe skiff]

who needs connections when you have leetcode

[timber rock]

I used my 1 connection to get a referral and then got ghosted anyway

😎

[teal jackal]

my childhood family friend i keep asking for an oracle referral

and he KEEPS ghosting me

[outer radish]

what are ya'll studying for local company interviews?

[teal jackal]

I don't fucking know tbh

[outer radish]

like im thinking i keep up the LC grind but idk anymore

[teal jackal]

I do not know what these places even tend to ask

[timber rock]

I would just study whatever frameworks they use

From what I've seen local companies usually want actual skills

[teal jackal]

Tbh I can do around 50% of mediums now, I'm throwing in the towel and ending my LC study

[timber rock]

And not just lc monkeys

[forest aspen]

maybe like

ask them lol

[teal jackal]

I'm going to assume 50% of mediums will be enough for me

I'm just gonna drop Leetcoding from my life and focus on personal projects in my last semester

where I'll have all the free time in the world

[timber rock]

do you have an offer

[teal jackal]

no

Spring 2023 is the semester where I just have one class

[timber rock]

maybe don't drop lc yet then

[teal jackal]

I'm probably gonna irregularly leetcode

like twice a week for an hour

I've hit a plateau

[forest aspen]

you can do like two a day

the daily and one other

[teal jackal]

I'm just not motivated to LC anymore, I have nothing to LC for anymore

[forest aspen]

this is my "maintenance" leetcode level

[teal jackal]

this is a really good idea

doing the bare minimum to not forget leetcode

but not actively trying to do more

[forest aspen]

i mean i still learn but i dont consider it grinding

[teal jackal]

yeah i agree with that

[forest aspen]

i intend to do like 2 a day forever, takes only like an hour or smth

its 0 hrs time if you think about it over breakfast lunch dinner and bathroom breaks 😉

oh i saw that lol

[deep wasp]

When I interned at a local software company, they asked about my projects, and a bunch of like on the job technical / behavior questions, like for example - if you are working in a sql server and accidentally delete a bunch of shit, what would you do?

And stuff like that

[teal jackal]

learn to lucid dream and bring leetcode into your lucid dreams tbh

that would be so powerful

[forest aspen]

i unironically tried to do this in highschool for my ap classes

i told ppl and they prolly thought it was like ill or smth

[teal jackal]

thats ill

as in kickass

[mellow path]

did anyone interview for Brex?

[chilly burrow]

if you look at the month of nov

last year approx 4k processed messages

dis yr only bat 2.6k

[teal jackal]

I feel like we've reached the ice age of recruiting

Companies went freeze

most people didnt get many interviews

and now nowehre is posting

[forest aspen]

nov/december is like that i heard

[chilly burrow]

but its much lower this yea

[teal jackal]

Buckle up my friends

internationals delay graduation if you graduate this sem

[chilly burrow]

Lat yr oct 3444 processes

dis yr 2156

4 ng

[forest aspen]

thats just for this server though?

maybe its just a local thing

[chilly burrow]

ye but thats not good considering the server has much more users, yet lower processes...

[teal jackal]

tbf 2022 process is still ongoing for some

I think interview rates this season are fucked

and 2022 process has had over a year of data

2023 has only gone on for 5 months

[nocturne oriole]

This server is a very good sample of top 5% of cs kiddos

Maybe not top 1%

[tawdry skiff]

You mean top 95%

[chilly burrow]

but im only comparing the month of october?

[tawdry skiff]

I'm def not top 5%

[nocturne oriole]

Yeah but ur not a person

So we dont count u

U are

A gremlin

[chilly burrow]

Also less offers this yr

449 vs 221

at least 4 da month of october

sad

[forest aspen]

that is sad

[tawdry skiff]

I'm a mouse

[forest aspen]

curious if there are any more total messages sent in this server from this year compared to last year

[chilly burrow]

idk im just readin da data from the db

im not counting da messages thru discord

[forest aspen]

LOL imagine

ill start counting

[chilly burrow]

gl

[deep wasp]

You could find that out with discord search

For example

[forest aspen]

oh no way

ur right

[deep wasp]

This year so far

[minor drum]

is that data scratched from the 2023_grad_process?

and 2022_grad_process?

[austere grove]

the website

[minor drum]

is the discord bot connected to the website?

[deep wasp]

Already more this year than last it looks like @forest aspen

[outer radish]

whats the grind looking like for mandems not in this server

[chilly burrow]

well obv

[austere grove]

iirc last year we had 50-60k users or so

[chilly burrow]

the discord bot writes to psql db

[austere grove]

prob closer to 60

[chilly burrow]

nah

[minor drum]

ok

[austere grove]

this year 64k?

[austere grove]

what was ti then

[chilly burrow]

lemme c

[forest aspen]

its possible some channels been deleted, but still a big diff, thats sad

and years not even over yet

[austere grove]

this years offer rate is bad

really bad

[chilly burrow]

ye idk

[austere grove]

a lot of people probably dont have internships or jobs

[chilly burrow]

but it only reached 64k recently

[deep jetty]

my recruiter called me that i got an offer from circle today..im super confused bc some people's offers got rescinded

anyone who got offers or got rescinded offers from circle lately?

[forest aspen]

congrats regardless

[outer radish]

bro just sign that contract asap

[west egret]

Sign anyways

[outer radish]

easy severance cash if they rescind it

[west egret]

And keep interviewing

[austere grove]

do rescinds get anyhting

lmao

i think they arbely do

[forest aspen]

depends on the location

somtimes you need to get compensated by law in like canada

[west egret]

I don’t think they’d get anything considering they’re not an actual employee. Some companies might be nice and give you $ for a rescind though.

[teal jackal]

Not obligated to

Sadly

We sadly have a meta rescind brother in arms in our ranks

[deep jetty]

it was a verbal offer tho he said he would get the official letter next week so fingers crossed

[sonic coral]

Didn’t coinbase give severance to rescinded folks

[echo stratus]

I see. Makes sense. I think Meta advocated for me or something similar to that. But I had to get the TN visa at the border/airport myself.

[echo stratus]

lol yea right here brother

[timber rock]

Yea i think you just take your offer with you and drive over

[echo stratus]

So does that basically mean I can do it for any company? Regardless of whether they sponsor or not?

since I do it myself?

[timber rock]

I'm not sure if there's restrictions on what companies can sponsor or anything

Might wanna look that up first

[outer radish]

wait its taht easy

i thought it involved a lawyer to go through that proces

[sonic coral]

Plot twist they never add you to their will

[echo stratus]

I think they did file a petition and it was approved

But I was supposed to get the TN visa myself at the border

I think the petition was to save me some hassle with paper work at the border maybe?

[eager reef]

I'm starting a new grad position in January in the bay, but I'd like to move to NYC as soon as I can. I noticed that most companies only have new grad positions and then the next level up has some years of experience requirement. Does anyone know what type of position I'd be applying for with only a couple months of experience? Thanks!

[fallen fox]

new grad

[eager reef]

oh okay gotcha

thanks 🙂

[forest aspen]

are you usually just stuck in an awkard position if you have like .5 YOE and are forced to apply for entry level jobs

after youve like graduated already

[eager reef]

that's what it looks like :///

[uncut umbra]

is there a palantir server for new grads/interns/employees

[iron lily]

a lot of new grad roles allow you to apply with < 1 YOE though

[eager reef]

yeah for sure

I was just kinda hoping to not have to apply for new grad roles once I have experience cuz those roles are pretty oversaturated atp

[livid yew]

Yeah a new grad or a SWE1 role, depends on company

Like industry hire SDE1

I never went thru a proper "New Grad" program (i.e orientation/mentor) at any of my jobs

[eager reef]

haha yeah I think I'm gonna have the same experience

[rain patio]

guys i have a job offer

but other companies are still giving me interviews

im so burned out but should i still take the interviews

[forest aspen]

you can pass them on to me if you watn

[rain patio]

it's not that good though; banks pay you only 80k-100k base

as an associate

[uncut umbra]

no lmao

just asking

[foggy perch]

baited

[livid yew]

Bait DN

[dense tulip]

anyone know what interview process at neurlink is like?

[tulip mountain]

how the fuck are you guys getting interviews

[teal jackal]

wow

today i discovered "link to windows" on android

fuck if i knew about this ages ago

[old vector]

Ngl I’ve been feeling rly empty after signing an offer

Like wtf do I do now

[teal jackal]

wow i wish i could feel empty for that reason

but tbh that sounds valid

[surreal estuary]

mood

[lament basin]

gimme

[surreal estuary]

just waiting to start lmao

[old vector]

Where did u sign

[surreal estuary]

c1

[old vector]

Nice nice

[strange ore]

did you have any other offers?

[surreal estuary]

nah it's rough out here

[teal jackal]

congrat on C1

man i was geuinely banking on them

[raven token]

Anyone hear back from dropbox or Okta after OA

[teal jackal]

wait dropbox posted new grad at all?

Woa

[proper dawn]

stress about possibly getting ur offer rescinded and look for backup thats what im doing

[outer radish]

Live life

[deep wasp]

For me, now I can actually focus on graduating

[whole roost]

what's DN?

[tardy geode]

I am grinding so much that it has taken a toll on my health , sleep cycle , emotional state and what not . i miss my family . nevertheless i am at it hoping to get an offer as i believe all this i am going through would be worth it

[teal jackal]

FUCK

imessage is such a privilege

link to windows is so slow

[hard cobalt]

Didn't okta cancel all NG roles?

[raven token]

maybe thats why 👻

[serene nymph]

whos still taking apps

[tardy geode]

ftx

[serene nymph]

is that a cryptocurrency platform?

[prime palm]

Interviewer: How do you explain this 4 year gap on your resume?
Guy: That’s when I went to Yale...
Interviewer: That’s impressive. You are hired.
Guy: Thanks. I really needed this Yob.

[ripe skiff]

thanksgiving is just a suggestion

[livid yew]

I enjoy it, breaks up the weeks

Cause the last holiday breaks I got was Memorial day

So it's being non stop grind since early September

[ripe skiff]

enjoy it brotha 💪

[sonic coral]

It’s about to be fairy dust is what it is

[tardy geode]

lol

[primal pike]

2+2?

[pure mauve]

bruh okta slashed new grad? what role did u apply for

[primal pike]

trade for referral

[nocturne oriole]

KIRB 350

KIRB 350

[raven token]

it was canadian

when did they slash? I did the OA 1.5 months ago

[wheat seal]

I saw a swe on LinkedIn with 7 years Amazon, 4 years experience at Qualtrics then they moved to Lowes for swe. Lowes pays well?

[nocturne oriole]

At that point they are usually a staff eng and that can pay very well even at your typical F500

Tbh they’re probably sr staff or principal

And in charge of something big

[chilly burrow]

but wouldnt staff eng at Lowes pay less than staff eng at Qualtrics or a similar company?

[nocturne oriole]

Tbh idk, it really does make more sense this person got above staff cuz even average companies prob have a huge budget for an external hire of that caliber. They are likely re designing a system or creating it from scratch + the faang brand name just makes them more desirable

[crimson flame]

who has a script to automate workday applications? 😭

[rigid quail]

at the 10+ year experience mark youll get big bucks anywhere you go you’re that valuable

[clever orbit]

what type of q's normally come up for q1/q2 on codesignal

[west egret]

Simplify extension

[wheat seal]

Yea that makes sense

It seemed kinda interesting though

[teal jackal]

Lowe's probably pays considerably less for the equivalent role but the role is faster to get if you have good xp

[jaunty basalt]

It could just be easier to get staff at that F500

[wheat seal]

I saw for AI/ML they were paying 260k for like 7 years experience

On levels

Check out this job at Lowe's Companies, Inc.: Lead Software Engineer - Gameplay

https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/3321170901

[teal jackal]

That sounds right tbh

[wheat seal]

Actually wait they pay a ton

260k for 5-7 years

Is actually like kinda wild for non tech company

It seems like lowes seems a lot more tech focused as well

260k for staff basically

[wheat seal]

That’s on par with PayPal no?

PayPal is like 200k senior swe

And then staff is a bit more

Actually PayPal only pays 213k

According to levels

Didn’t realize lowes could pay more than PayPal at same level

Oh I see why honestly. Lowes is starting lowes innovation labs

[teal jackal]

Interesting

I didn't know PayPal paid peanurs

[wheat seal]

Check out this job at Lowe's Companies, Inc.: Associate Software Engineer- Frontend

[livid yew]

Yep home Depot and Lowes getting into tech

[wheat seal]

Check out this job at Lowe's Companies, Inc.: https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/3329001317

[livid yew]

Same with Walmart and target

[wheat seal]

Walmart labs has been pretty big tho

For awhile I think

[livid yew]

213K would be about SWE4 at Comcast

So one level below Senior

Which is probably when I'll hope

*hop

[wheat seal]

Senior swe?

Or staff?

[livid yew]

Senior is 5

It's weird

[jaunty basalt]

Walmart labs was always here

[livid yew]

Nvm

[wheat seal]

Wait so swe3 is entry level swe

[jaunty basalt]

My new grad offer was SDE II

[livid yew]

No look at screen shot

[jaunty basalt]

No it’s 2

[livid yew]

Nah here, it's SWE1

[wheat seal]

Interesting so senior title is basically staff

[livid yew]

I guess

[jaunty basalt]

Walmart is actually nice

[livid yew]

No

We just have 3 levels before senior

I will be SWE3 in May

[wheat seal]

Walmart labs and now Lowes labs paying like 260k for 5 years experience

[jaunty basalt]

They have a you pay $1 per day until u get ur degree and they cover the rest

[wheat seal]

Actually wait

Walmart pays 300k for staff

[jaunty basalt]

I do think Walmart pays more than this

Yeah

[wheat seal]

Yea

[jaunty basalt]

Like my new grad offer was like 155

[wheat seal]

Even for global tech

[jaunty basalt]

For Sunnyvale I think

[wheat seal]

Geez

Wow nice

[jaunty basalt]

Well it’s global tech

[wheat seal]

Yea that’s more than Tesla

[livid yew]

Walmart DN

155TC

[wheat seal]

And I think Uber is only 175k in SF

[jaunty basalt]

Yeah but like it falls off hard, stock is like nothing and sign on was a lot iirc

[wheat seal]

So close to Uber TC as well

[wheat seal]

Oh I c

I mean still for a new grad offer that’s solid still

[wheat seal]

Ur at bloomberg now right

[jaunty basalt]

Oh yeah solid, even gap was nuts

It was like 135 no stock remote

[wheat seal]

Yea that’s better than Qualtrics

[jaunty basalt]

Nah theranos

[wheat seal]

Qualtrics is 105 base, 25k stock, 5-10k bonus each year no sign on but 2500 relo

For new grad

Like the basic offer

And all teams hybrid but y have to move to Seattle

[wheat seal]

Oh I c

[jaunty basalt]

Wait actually aren’t they like ded

[livid yew]

me over here with 5% raise after only 5 months

[wheat seal]

Who qualtrics?

[jaunty basalt]

I think where I’m at u just have to join before q4 and I hope it’s regular q4 not fiscal year

[jaunty basalt]

No theranos

[wheat seal]

It’s a startup no?

[jaunty basalt]

Yeah but it was a scam

The founder is going to jail for like a decade or something

[wheat seal]

Elizabeth?

[jaunty basalt]

[wheat seal]

Why fraud tho

Dang she had 5 billion

[jaunty basalt]

Idk man

Very strange

[wheat seal]

She ran a scam for 19 years?

Seems odd

[jaunty basalt]

Mimicking Steve Jobs

[wheat seal]

Like what’s the deceit

[jaunty basalt]

Demeanor

[wheat seal]

It’s a publicly known company

[jaunty basalt]

Oh fake product

Zero progress

Lied about progress

[wheat seal]

How to prove that though

That’s like

[jaunty basalt]

Literally by using it

Oh to prove the lie? Idk

I’m not a scam artist

[wheat seal]

It just seems like it was poorly run

[deep wasp]

Well she had 5 billion because she lied to investors about the product and they believed it

[jaunty basalt]

Yeah how convincing happened idk

[wheat seal]

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/020116/theranos-fallen-unicorn.asp

Seems like company was poorly ran

They couldn’t even follow basic health guidelines

[wheat seal]

Wait so who owns theranos now

[jaunty basalt]

Nobody

It’s done

Ded

Worth 0

[wheat seal]

Wow then how does it make money now?

Like besides customers

[jaunty basalt]

It can’t

It’s ded

[wheat seal]

Wait so ur working for free?

Or nvm

I said besides customers yea

[jaunty basalt]

Bro I don’t work there

[wheat seal]

Wait so why did u turn down Walmart 135k

[jaunty basalt]

I was trolling

[wheat seal]

Lol

[jaunty basalt]

I am at Bloomberg

[wheat seal]

Oh lol

Yea I remember

[sonic coral]

Nah the product was never going to work

The company was running off hopes n dreams and a fuckload of investor cash

[jaunty basalt]

The idea was insane but nothing was done

[jaunty basalt]

Bro I had Apple msft Atlassian etc I wasn’t taking Walmart

[wheat seal]

Elizabeth should have been VP of sales then maybe instead at some other company

[jaunty basalt]

Maybe this one was easy to sell

[sonic coral]

Didn’t some scientists say that there’s literally no way for them to accomplish it with current technology

[jaunty basalt]

Yeah

The idea of it was crazy, I think it was like one blood sample, never need to draw anymore blood again

[wheat seal]

But like she didn’t have anything malicious planned

[jaunty basalt]

But u just can’t do that rn

U can’t clone samples

[wheat seal]

Wait they said that?

[jaunty basalt]

Yeah

[wheat seal]

Oh nvm then

[jaunty basalt]

Like it’s not possible rn

[wheat seal]

She was running a scam

[sonic coral]

Watch a YouTube doc on theranos

[jaunty basalt]

Their promise was like oh we found a way

But like that’s a huge leap

[wheat seal]

Y bbg over apple?

[jaunty basalt]

Vibes

[sonic coral]

https://youtu.be/2NtgppV_EsQ

[jaunty basalt]

Turtleneck

[wheat seal]

Oh this guy I remember him from faze scam

Last year

[jaunty basalt]

Coffeezilla covers every scam

[sonic coral]

This guy the scam goat

[jaunty basalt]

Almost always the first to get on it

[livid yew]

So many offers

You must also have 8 or 9inch cock

Massive

[wheat seal]

Walmart srsly offers 135k remote tho?

[jaunty basalt]

No that’s gap

Walmart was like 155 first year in person Sunnyvale

I joke about ded or dying companies but I’m almost always serious about everything else

[wheat seal]

Oh interesting

[wheat seal]

I never heard of theranos til now

[livid yew]

135K not bad for first job tbh

[teal jackal]

back when ecomony good

[wheat seal]

2022

Also lowes is wild too

U don’t need a college degree

For swe

Check out this job at Lowe's Companies, Inc.: Associate Software Engineer- Frontend

https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/3329001317

[wheat seal]

By the way this looks kinda cool ^

U still searching?

[timber rock]

you don't need a degree for most companies

[livid yew]

Yeah. But how else you gonna get the knowledge

I would have never done all the studying on my own lol

[wheat seal]

I agree

[wheat seal]

I mean for new grad u do

[dense blaze]

PALLAS

[wheat seal]

Like 95% of new grad

[dense blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/pallas-pallas-cat-manul-cat-gif-20906933

[timber rock]

Well yea that's why it's called grad lol

That lowes one is not "new grad" specific

Vast majority of companies will not care about your degree after you get experience

[jaunty basalt]

I mean Apple and Atlassian are still hiring, Atlassian more than ever

I get msft

But like if u didn’t get into Apple this year u not getting in last year

[wheat seal]

Apple isn’t even affected by the economy tbh

Like it barely felt a dent

[teal jackal]

do they have non-frontend?

[wheat seal]

This position is full stack

They do

[wheat seal]

But it’s Java

Associate

And I’m thinking it’ll probably be legacy

[livid yew]

Lmao why

Java is still modern

[teal jackal]

Build backend services to support the UI applications developed by this team and others using technologies and languages including but not limited to: NodeJS, Java, Kotlin, Python, MongoDB, Elasticsearch, Postresql, GraphQL

It's not that bad

this is bearable

[wheat seal]

Yea it’s full stack

[livid yew]

NodeJS and Kotlin are modern

[timber rock]

Jd sports grad programme teaches u cobol

😎

[wheat seal]

That’s why I prefer this job posting

It seems a lot more modern

Than the Java posting

[jaunty basalt]

bro that modern

[wheat seal]

Java backend associate posting had nothing else

Except Java

And sql basically

On posting

[jaunty basalt]

a bit much on the technologies

[wheat seal]

So seems like it’ll be hella legacy

[jaunty basalt]

but thats still good

[livid yew]

Java and SQL are modern

[wheat seal]

They are

[livid yew]

You new grads are so brainwashed on GraphQL and React

This is basically my tech stack

A lot of Kotlin

[jaunty basalt]

pretty sure graphql is the skill that got me into apple

[wheat seal]

Apple interview was difficult?

[jaunty basalt]

yeah

[wheat seal]

Harder than bbg?

[jaunty basalt]

yeah

for several reasons beyond just LC

like first if u ping someone, theyll know the process for bbg, apple who tf knows lol

[wheat seal]

Apple is team dependent tho right

[jaunty basalt]

this is what everyone says

how is this useful lol

[livid yew]

[wheat seal]

I saw a linkedin post where engineering manager at apple said his dms are open

[jaunty basalt]

thats why its even harder

[wheat seal]

For 0-2 yrs experience

do they even have recruiters

[jaunty basalt]

yes

[livid yew]

[jaunty basalt]

they do two resume screens before interview

recruiter picks then hiring manager says ok

[livid yew]

[wheat seal]

Oh I c

I know ppl who got into evolve

The rotational program

[jaunty basalt]

yeah ik i got to choose that

[wheat seal]

I think it’s 2 years of rotation before placement

[jaunty basalt]

yes

6-8 months each for 2 years

[wheat seal]

Which is nice tbh lol

Cuz then u don’t have to get put into a bad team right away

[jaunty basalt]

not all org participate though

[wheat seal]

I mean that program sounds interesting

[jaunty basalt]

more than theranos less than coinbase

[wheat seal]

Ur basically getting like multiple long term internships

Where u take on a project and learn right

[jaunty basalt]

oh yeah its awesome, very few seats though so theyre trying to gorw

well if i had nyc numbers than no

but i have what i have

[wheat seal]

Can someone who has already grad apply to evolve tho

[jaunty basalt]

nah lol

[wheat seal]

Lol

Basically they have multiple backend teams

[jaunty basalt]

they reserve headcount for return interns to join that program

[livid yew]

[wheat seal]

Maps, music

[wheat seal]

Oh I c. I know someone who did a finance internship

With apple

Then switched to evolve

For new grad

[jaunty basalt]

yeah thats why locations were gone so quick

[wheat seal]

Yea makes sense

[teal jackal]

Apple hires by role

other than with evolve

[nocturne seal]

I got rejected after second screen for evolve. My most painful reject so far😔

[tardy geode]

twitter fired more employees

wtf is wrong with elon

he is blindly firing peeps

[livid yew]

Lol

I mean their code was not good

So 🤷

Kinda their fault

[dense blaze]

Techuna Matada

[livid yew]

[dense blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/vanitas-no-carte-anime-kiss-gif-24297387

Happy Thanksgiving

[livid yew]

[lunar hatch]

Can anyone share airtable hr email

Can exchange with a few other firms’

[tawdry skiff]

Oof

[prime palm]

Yoke

[echo stratus]

Fuck sorry that sucks

[late kestrel]

wow what a bait and switch

[tawdry skiff]

no this is not me

I've actually doxed myself a couple of times here in the early days

I wish I just have some money

[teal jackal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/csMajors/comments/xwifrf/unluckiest_new_grad_swe_candidate_ever/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

This shit is my 13th reason why
Why the FUCK is it so hard to find a job now even with a good resume

[tardy geode]

i am having nightmares as to what's gonna happen in Q1

[old vector]

Senioritis is hitting me so hard

[tawdry skiff]

it's all about that college brand name

[elder locust]

ayoo

[strange ore]

was this their initial offer? haven’t heard of anything from them this high

[fair zinc]

[jaunty basalt]

yes

wdym u havent heard of anything this high its stadnard SDE II for sunnyvale

idr if it was exactly 155 but its around there

wait actually its not standard, i think the stock was higher

[strange ore]

I mean I have an offer and have talked to a few ppl who have also gotten offers and the highest was 115base 15 sign 15 stock

i’m tryna finesse, which of those did u get higher

[jaunty basalt]

oh i see

i include bonus and relo

for that

[strange ore]

oh

like yearly bonus

[jaunty basalt]

they give u a doc with lump sum

for relo

and then yearly

[strange ore]

ah okay so that’s where you got the higher numbers

gotchu

thanks

[jaunty basalt]

also found it strange that from 2021 to now there wasnt a raise in the base offer

maybe even before 2021 but i didnt talk to anyone from back then

[marsh sand]

I got palantir and bloomberg phone next week

Wish me luck 😦

[whole roost]

You got this fam

🙏

[quartz vale]

DRW OA is so hard wtf

got some weird math questions that took like an hour to solve

I guess I'm stupid

[quasi needle]

Yo

Does Amazon hiring freeze for new grad 2023 as well in Canada?

[quartz vale]

yes

my gf got waitlisted

[quasi needle]

If I apply now, will I not get an interview?

[quartz vale]

Nobody knows

Is the app still open?

I thought it's gone

[quasi needle]

When did you apply?

[quartz vale]

I applied back in July I think

My gf applied like August

I failed the interview, my gf passed but got waitlisted

[quasi needle]

Rip the portal is closed

Any chance it reopens next year?

[quartz vale]

nobody knows

tbh

[quasi needle]

Hmm ok, fingers crossed, thanks for the info!

[quartz vale]

np

[jaunty storm]

I got a behavioral and EM round for Bloomberg new grad next week? Does anyone know what to expect?

[whole berry]

just search this channel

[jaunty storm]

I hear people with perfect interviews still getting rejected.

I'm hoping that my previous career as an engineer can impress a little.

[whole berry]

i hope so too

but a lot of people in here got rejected with multiple faang internships before

[outer radish]

any canadians hear from ebay?

[whole berry]

so its really a gamble

goodluck tho

[jaunty storm]

That's crazy. I'm out here just hoping for a singe offer.

[wheat seal]

U did masters?

[jaunty storm]

Two bachelors, a certificate, and a minor.

[grizzled bronze]

Treat Bloomber NG interview as a practice mock interview for ng jobs, anything after is a bonus

[wheat seal]

Or u mean u had electrical? engineering role

Civil or something

[jaunty storm]

I was a civil engineer before covid

[wheat seal]

Then now going to swe?

[jaunty storm]

Yes.

Don't worry I got the CS degree under my belt.

[wheat seal]

Yea tbh u prob would’ve been fine with civil engineering degree it’s counted as a related discipline

But CS degree I think is more desirable but not always

Like a lot of companies are chill now

[jaunty storm]

I took the long road for academia to at least impress a little.

Otherwise, I'd stay in school for a masters while I wait for the market to improve.

[crystal steppe]

What should be the considerable wait time before re contacting your recruiter? 5 business days?

[prime palm]

Yeah

[fleet kiln]

does anyone here have an email tracker that they recommend?

my current one doesn't work anymore

[latent wedge]

Even I got a final round of EAB. Did you get any information?

[unique forge]

Not yet

[latent wedge]

Anyone completed with final round of Associate full stack developer at EAB? If yes could you please share your experience?

[outer radish]

is uc berkley the top faang feeder school, cause I swear almost all the cs vlogs on youtube are either from there or CMU

[whole berry]

yeah CMU is about that

our highest paid most engaging person in this channel is from CMU

[tawdry skiff]

Waterloo

[wicked rivet]

yea my last internship was like, 50% from cal / waterloo / cmu

(overexaggeration but so many)

[blazing quail]

I did my final at epic systems yesterday and they said they have a low turnover rate. Everything I’ve read says this is not true, and they actually have a high turnover rate

[fair zinc]

CMU on resume doesn't help

[blazing quail]

They can just straight up lie?

[fair zinc]

it's hard to get an interview

[tawdry skiff]

Not me

am I?

you dont have ucla friends from orange county?

smh

no need, you just need all of your friends to be born and raised in oc

they loaded

bruh I'm lower than poverty level

upper middle class is def loaded to my standards

I just befriend hot, smart people

carry me senpai

:uwu:

I live in oceanside

🧢

[strange ore]

anybody know if it’s worth trying to negotiate an offer marked as non negotiable

[misty fable]

Im tired man

[chilly burrow]

Go take a nap 😃👍

[misty fable]

Unironically should

👍

[prime palm]

it's okay

no bitches

[chilly burrow]

Nvr feel jealousy toward anotha

Envy is a deadly sin

[craggy radish]

Always negotiate, recruiters often lie. Base salary, stock, sign on, relocation, start date

[chilly burrow]

I learnt dat from anime ☝️😔

I disagree 😃👎

Som r

But som r degenar8

[tardy geode]

missing home

[strange ore]

tyty

[nocturne seal]

How do I even begin negotiating? Do I reach out to recruiter?

[chilly burrow]

Ye

[strange ore]

peep haseebq’s 10 rules

[old vector]

man theres not much stuff being posted on the repo anymore

kinda scary

[lilac locust]

Only if you don’t have a job

[red heath]

Anime taught me octopus loves waifu 🥰🥰🥰🥰

[coarse current]

Anyone mind sharing salary nego tips when you dont have a competing offer?

[karmic harness]

get a competing offer

[lapis cove]

u can always compare against market knowledge if u have that

not much leverage as a new grad without competing offer tho

[karmic harness]

stop

[old vector]

time is an aspect of negotiation so i was thinking you could say "ill sign right now and cancel all my other interviews if you give me X amount of money more", you could try that

but its gonna be hard in this market

[karmic harness]

terrible idea

absolute terrible

[echo stratus]

new offer: amz senior sde but no sex until u retire

[teal jackal]

WAIT THEY ACTUALLY RESCINDED?

I'd sign a contract with the devil to have erectile dysfunction for 10 years in exchange for a 200k TC new grad job

[echo stratus]

thats too easy viagra is a thing

[teal jackal]

I'm on voluntary celibacy rn anyways

[karmic harness]

bro idk about yall i need my dick to work

ill work for 50k a year

[teal jackal]

Because I'm too sad about job shit to fuck

[karmic harness]

as long as my weiner works

[teal jackal]

I respect that vagorge

[echo stratus]

lol yeah tbh same

[teal jackal]

Life comes first

[karmic harness]

idc about a job if i cant live life

[echo stratus]

my libido be going down over the years

[karmic harness]

like wtf yall on

[teal jackal]

Tbh as soon as that genie gives me a job, with my luck I'm probably gonna meet a woman and wish I didn't sign my penis away

[echo stratus]

I think I reached peak libido 3 years ago

[karmic harness]

i think stress from school/job hunting

is a contributor

[teal jackal]

Yeah I am not sexual anymore

[karmic harness]

life will be better guys trust.

[teal jackal]

I think low intellectual self esteem destroyed all interest in sex for me

[karmic harness]

bro what

[teal jackal]

I feel like a dumb lazy failure all the time

[echo stratus]

tbh yeha my dick only work parttime now after I got zuckked

[teal jackal]

It's a terrible feeling

It's extreme

[karmic harness]

did u do the classic linkedin post yet?

[teal jackal]

But I really just hate myself to give myself closure for why I am failing right now

[echo stratus]

nah I got a backup offer dont wanna comprise that

[karmic harness]

is it stable atleast?

[echo stratus]

eh

aws

[karmic harness]

i mean

it cant get much safer at amz

[echo stratus]

have u heard the news lmao

but yeah aws relatively safer than rest of amz

[karmic harness]

yeah?

[teal jackal]

Jggrnt you got into aws recently?

[karmic harness]

i havent seen anything with aws related rescinded/layoff

[teal jackal]

Or got in a long time ago?

[echo stratus]

long long time ago

[teal jackal]

Congrats dude

How did they hang onto the offer all this time

[echo stratus]

nah man nothing to celebrate abt I wanna go to new york 😭

[teal jackal]

Valid

[karmic harness]

ah where is aws

seattle?

[echo stratus]

canada 💀

[teal jackal]

Bruh

[karmic harness]

hopefully ur near family idk lol

[teal jackal]

Ok tbh I get it

How did aws manage to hang onto your offer for this long?

[echo stratus]

chose the latest start date and kept pushing it back lol

[teal jackal]

Ahhh

That's clever

[misty fable]

LMAO

[teal jackal]

Are u guys actively dating rn

[karmic harness]

no

job first

[echo stratus]

yeah with my gf

4 yrs

[misty fable]

🥰

[karmic harness]

she the quant?

[echo stratus]

swe

[teal jackal]

Awesome

[echo stratus]

but were thinking of ending it

cuz no future

[karmic harness]

[echo stratus]

😢

[teal jackal]

Anyways I like a girl but tbh I feel like a subhuman for my failure to get a return offer to Amazon and my failure to get an offer

[misty fable]

😔

[teal jackal]

So I can't date because I feel like a subhuman who deserves nothing

[echo stratus]

bro hang in there

[teal jackal]

I shoot my own feet

Why am I doomerposting?

[misty fable]

Man same

[echo stratus]

nah man not valid

[karmic harness]

you can join me at the chickfila drive thru

[teal jackal]

I'm gonna sign off discord and focus on my day today

[misty fable]

I failed to get return to salesf

[echo stratus]

u can still pull without offer

[misty fable]

Hard to not kick myself for it

Could've should've

[karmic harness]

we grow guys

[echo stratus]

stay strong brother

[karmic harness]

and become stronger

[teal jackal]

Thanks man

[karmic harness]

through these tough experiences

[teal jackal]

I appreciate my solidarity with you guys

For real

[echo stratus]

ye unemployed homies unite

[karmic harness]

lets just make our own startup

[echo stratus]

bro

[karmic harness]

Unemployed.io

[teal jackal]

[echo stratus]

my dad literally told me he'll fund my startup to destroy meta

[karmic harness]

LOL

impossible

[lapis cove]

@teal jackal just keep chasin that truck bro

[echo stratus]

every penny taken away from meta is 1 penny closer to bankruptcy for zuck

[misty fable]

Im gonna hug a speeding truck at this rate man

[teal jackal]

Tbh I beat myself up after failure because I want to improve myself to be the best I can be

[karmic harness]

https://tenor.com/view/truck-gif-4987655

[echo stratus]

r u 2023 grad?

[teal jackal]

I prefer to focus on what I can do to better my life, I don't want to blame others first

[karmic harness]

bro these may 2023 grads about to be in a world of hurt

[teal jackal]

So I take the brunt of my own anger and beatings

[karmic harness]

[teal jackal]

Yep

[karmic harness]

get another degree?

[echo stratus]

thats true. I blamed zuck for the longest time but now I'm over it. Not productive only poisoning myself

[teal jackal]

Anyways I will tell u I believe in u, it's just tough and we got to persevere

It's not your fault

[karmic harness]

my email kinda dry this thanksgiving week

[teal jackal]

I tell other people to try their best and persevere

[misty fable]

Yeah ik it'll be fine man, just very grim outlook atm

[echo stratus]

u got time youngster

[misty fable]

Beating up others 😎

[echo stratus]

grad is still months away

[karmic harness]

mine is in 4weeks

[teal jackal]

I think my desire to constantly improve and learn becomes toxic to myself

[misty fable]

I keep telling myself that i'll be fine as ive saved up 6mo of living costs from prev coop, but we all know thats not a long time considering i've already spent 5-6 searching

[teal jackal]

Honestly I'm not depressed rn since I'm having a good day overall

Monday fucked me up

C1 interview rescind really fucked with me

[karmic harness]

wait what

i thought they had HC

[teal jackal]

Nah they said they're out of hc

[misty fable]

Ok we hate c1 now

[karmic harness]

fuck c1

[misty fable]

All my homies hate c1

Fuck c1

[echo stratus]

can u move in with parents?

[lilac locust]

What

[misty fable]

Nah parents back in asia, i'm intl (canada)

[lilac locust]

C1 has been full since sept

[misty fable]

I jest, i didnt get interview or anything from them

[echo stratus]

damn rip rental prices going through the roof too

[misty fable]

What the fuck i just autopiloted to supermarket instead of home

[lilac locust]

[echo stratus]

get a snack

ur there anyway

[misty fable]

I mean fridge is empty so it's good but still

[echo stratus]

ur tummy was driving

its ok

[misty fable]

Bruh i need a break kek

[karmic harness]

can i get a footlong, wheat bread, buffalo chicken before not after, american cheese, avocado, toasted, lettuce, cucumber, spinach, red onion, and mustard

[misty fable]

@teal jackal hang in there dude

We'll find sth

[karmic harness]

im in interviews with some bum ass company rn

ngl

[teal jackal]

For sure dude

[echo stratus]

we in this together yall

[teal jackal]

Happy Thanksgiving fellas

[echo stratus]

anyway imma log off gotta do finish my leet before bed

[misty fable]

Bro id take a crumb of financial security

[teal jackal]

A day to live life

[karmic harness]

Happy GivingThanks

[karmic harness]

me too

thats why im continuing with the interviews

bruh i got fucking WAITLISTED at fidelity

[teal jackal]

No way fidelity is wait listing now?

That's fukt

Damn

[karmic harness]

a month ago

atleast thats what my recruiter said

she could be lying

[whole berry]

i thought jealously was

being envious of someone is not bad

[chilly burrow]

Nah Envy is the name of a humonculis in fma

[whole berry]

but what if you just want for yourself what someone else has for them and you dont feel threatened that they have it or feel malice towards them

[chilly burrow]

Dats not envy

Envy is negative

[livid yew]

HP envy? Fine line of laptops

[chilly burrow]

I disagree

[livid yew]

Idk I've had the same basic HP for 7 years

Works great still

A bit slow

[jaunty basalt]

HP laptop are toasters

[livid yew]

Yep

But I was broke in college

[jaunty basalt]

I had a spectre

[livid yew]

In 2015

Still using it

[jaunty basalt]

I can still use it I just stopped since Covid

Upgraded to Alienware

[livid yew]

I have desktop tbh

[jaunty basalt]

Yeah laptop is meant to be on top of ur lap

Hp will cook ur legs

With just chrome open

[coarse current]

Anybody going london after grad

[white escarp]

london ontario? 🤣

[dense blaze]

Stfu

[livid yew]

Leet on holiday

Now I think this is too much

One day of break is fine and encouraged tbh

[whole berry]

😦

[whole berry]

ok true

[solid scroll]

any 996ers

[modest rampart]

is getting a new grad offer generally considered harder getting an internship?

[whole roost]

Yes

Well, first internship is hard but subsequent ones are easier than new grad search imo

In Canada, intern salaries are subsidized by the government so companies are incentivized to hire students

I'm assuming it's similar in the states?

[modest rampart]

but internships should have way more competition right?

2nd and 3rd year students both compete for internships

but for new grad its only 4th year

right?

[warm sky]

It's 4th year and sometimes people right out of college

[modest rampart]

Do you mean more competition or harder interviews?

[warm sky]

From what I've seen and heard, new grad interviews aren't much harder than intern interviews. It's just that there's more interviews, so there's more opportunities to fail

[modest rampart]

I see, i'm just scared that I won't be able to land any interviews for new grads

I got only 2 intern interviews this season, both rejected

and I don't even know where I'm going wrong

I started applying Sept mid, so maybe I was late?

[warm sky]

A lot of companies start in August, but mid Sept isn't very late

The economy's just fucked, so a lot of extremely qualified people aren't getting anything

Have you tried getting a resume review?

[modest rampart]

also, i'm international grad student

[warm sky]

ah yeah that would do it

What kinds of companies are you applying for?

[modest rampart]

everything on the github list

and for faang+ i took referrals

[wheat seal]

u guys think its better to cold DM recruiter on linkedin?

[grizzled bronze]

Depends, company email is usually better if you can find it but if not then LinkedIn

[quasi needle]

With all the hiring freezes, any chance it will get better by next April if inflation data CPI gets better in December?

[lapis cove]

no one knows

[wheat seal]

I mean who knows

Best u can do is prepare

Worst case scenario you just go for masters and then intern again before new grad cycle

Idt it will last that long tho