and can do any dp question
#2023_grads
dusky plover
do u guys have any idea what a "debugging technical exercise" could be
ivory stratus
do u guys have any idea what a "debugging technical exercise" could be
going through code and fixing errors pretty much
dusky plover
its different from my coding exercise as part of my onsite panel
hmmm ok
i just hope it doesnt have third part api shit that ill need to look at documentation for
ivory stratus
its different from my coding exercise as part of my onsite panel
like youre getting an index OOB error and have to fix it or something like that
dusky plover
party
dusky plover
some startup, ill namedrop it after i do their onsite cause they're only interviewing like 2 ppl for this role
nocturne oriole
i just hope it doesnt have third part api shit that ill need to look at document...
The only syntax stuff worth learning might be assertions in python
And raise an exception
whole berry
some startup, ill namedrop it after i do their onsite cause they're only intervi...
good
gatekeep it
nocturne oriole
But tbh they dont care usually. For syntax
compact obsidian
but the system was v specific
it was for databse team so we talked about distributed systems n databases n stuff
was p cool
one of the qs he just gave me the answer to bc he was like "oh yeah if u havent read the cosmosdb paper this q is hard"
whole berry
the talent there is on another level
compact obsidian
my interviewer worked on amazon aurora
and then worked at microsoft sql for a few years
and now at tiktok
cool dude
v cracked
vale cargo
It was fine, I did like 15-20 tagged questions and got 4 of them in my on-site
hallow void
Hey guys, what is being asked in Morgan Stanley's superday interview?
wicked rivet
dusky plover
But tbh they dont care usually. For syntax
hmmm ok
well its tomorrow so :p
what goes goes
wheat seal
3 LC meds 3 design in 40 min
6 questions in 40min?
compact obsidian
ye
2 of the LCs i had seen before so 2-5 min each
i struggled on the last one so he just gave me the sol when i didnt solve it in 5 min
one of the design qs he gave me the answer to
so it's really more like 4 questions in 40 min
i think he expected me to have seen the LCs before since he asked how many LC questions i had done
he seemed disappointed that i only did 200 lol
deft copper
2 of the LCs i had seen before so 2-5 min each
What country is this
deft copper
Wtf
fast hinge
I trolled my GCA and got Roblox final w it tf
deft copper
2 of the LCs i had seen before so 2-5 min each
How do you go through the whole process in 2 minutes
compact obsidian
How do you go through the whole process in 2 minutes
well if uve seen the q before it's easy
they were easy LC meds
same difficulty as something like 3 sum or rotate array or validate bin tree
like 5-10 lines of code
deft copper
Like I can see solving it on LC in 2 minutes but didn't you have to clarify assumptions and talk through your logic then run through test cases and complexity
compact obsidian
he didnt ask test cases or complexity lol
deft copper
Oh they just wanted you to rapid fire leetcode simulator it
compact obsidian
ye
he was really rushing me
esp since he just gave me the answer to q3 when i didnt solve in 5 min
deft copper
Bro tried to conduct the entire interview loop by himself
compact obsidian
lol
compact obsidian
uh im p sure i already know from online posts on blind etc
wheat seal
uh im p sure i already know from online posts on blind etc
It’s probably team dependent tbh
compact obsidian
v shitty WLB but p good growth
wheat seal
v shitty WLB but p good growth
Tbh it’s great for starting out
compact obsidian
so did you get the answer back yet
nah the interview was yesterday
compact obsidian
ye thats what im thinkin too
compact obsidian
well i'll think more about it once/if i do final
4/6 questions is not a amazing score lol
so im not even sure if ill get final
compact obsidian
roblox is gca -> final?
ye
hard flare
what r yalls thoughts on brex vs bberg? bberg is ~15k less after first year, but similar cash comp and a lot more stable. brex is def higher growth and pretty clear path to promo but they had layoffs like last week
compact obsidian
up to your personality but i'd learn towards bloomberg bc of safety/stability
if for whatever reason u lose ur job in the middle of a recession probably gonna be hard to find another one
hard flare
if for whatever reason u lose ur job in the middle of a recession probably gonna...
ah yeah that would be rough
wheat seal
what r yalls thoughts on brex vs bberg? bberg is ~15k less after first year, but...
I never even heard of brex until recently
Bbg for sure
wheat seal
ah yeah that would be rough
With bbg u can just chill make great money and forget about recession and learn a ton
Bbg is like the best thing u can get lol this season. It’s literally a big W
hard flare
choked pin and palantir recruiter phones (and every quant) so prob best for me 
200k, pick cash/stock split
nocturne oriole
imo bbg slightly worse but tiny margin
wheat seal
I think Netflix would be better yea
Bbg is just top tier cuz of recession rn
That’s why I say that
nocturne oriole
Yeah the recession changed the game
wheat seal
Like if u join literally 0 worries lol
Yea I agree
Brex won’t be able to ipo til like 4+ years
4-6 years
$$$$
nocturne oriole
I respect the palantir simping tho for stability
chilly burrow
But Brex gives u 200k base
nocturne oriole
The layoffs is a big red flag
chilly burrow
Bbg is gonna pay u 155-180k to just sit there and do nothing?
If they do I'd love to work there 🤩
nocturne oriole
Meta wlb < bbg
Fuck it bro launch the missiles
Sign me up
Still at meta dude, it’s insane
Im 3mo into team, ending ramp up
nocturne oriole
I am prob safe cuz my team hella critical but im also lowest performer so im strapped with leetcode
wheat seal
Unlikely he’s team is literally dropping voluntarily
nocturne oriole
People are leaving tho, lost 3 swe in 3mo already, they cant just layoff willy nilly
wheat seal
People are leaving tho, lost 3 swe in 3mo already, they cant just layoff willy n...
Right
How many now then?
nocturne oriole
Yeah the long timers are all evaluating their job at meta
My coworker who left straight up said to me “im leaving because i dont believe in the metaverse” Lol
wheat seal
Yeah the long timers are all evaluating their job at meta
I guarantee u they are planning to leave
wheat seal
My coworker who left straight up said to me “im leaving because i dont believe i...
Honestly I doubt even zuck believes in it
They are pumping in billions while company is slowly dying
And zuck is out here boxing
nocturne oriole
Closest thing to a backup is beg amazon for the old offer but tbh im sure i could interview, farm referrals. I have 800 connects on linkedin
And handsome
I go viral
wheat seal
Closest thing to a backup is beg amazon for the old offer but tbh im sure i coul...
U got amazon offer?
nocturne oriole
Old offer like 7mo ago
nocturne oriole
No i mean if i get laid off
wheat seal
No i mean if i get laid off
Oh ok
nocturne oriole
I need to farm my exp at meta it’s good shit for resume
wheat seal
I mean I highly doubt it
nocturne oriole
Interesting work and rust
I can bag something good later
But in case shit hits fan well u gotta do what u gotta do
wheat seal
But in case shit hits fan well u gotta do what u gotta do
I mean how many ppl now on team?
I feel like all the seniors on ur team will leave
wheat seal
Yeah
Most will probably leave after a few more mths tbh.
I’m curious where the other fb engineers went tho that left
Did they go to big n?
nocturne oriole
Yeah anything can happen. Guy who left actually sucked for me
He was informal mentor
So nice and smart 😭
wheat seal
So nice and smart 😭
Dang that sucks
nocturne oriole
I still come across his code in the codebase and it helps me 10x more than everyone else’s
He did shit right
nocturne oriole
Did they go to big n?
Unicorn and quant
wheat seal
Unicorn and quant
Wow
nocturne oriole
Cant give names sorry
wheat seal
Nah it’s fine
nocturne oriole
But one of them reminds u of
Redacted
Mid levels and up have nothing to worry about lol
They complain on blind but they will be fine
wheat seal
Mid levels and up have nothing to worry about lol
It’s just ppl trying to get into job market
vale cargo
Had uber final but they are frozen
nocturne oriole
Oh damn we kinda similar problem space
Dev infra or internal tooling generally
But inner core stuff
You are a genius
whole berry
yeah moood...
everytime i was amongst kernel people
they were insanely smart
and i was the dumb one
pallid kernel
@whole berry how u doing buddy
whole berry
<@457023761754095628> how u doing buddy
doing fine boss
sleep hasnt struck my eyes yet
actually doing the tiktok OA
can't figure out the last question lol
whole berry
actually not as bad
pallid kernel
did u get an offer
pallid kernel
bruh
sudden depot
What’s an appropriate amount of projects to put on your resume
whole berry
What’s an appropriate amount of projects to put on your resume
just keep it under 1 page
is what works mostly
if youre on 2 pages youre either suuuuper cracked or youre fluffing up your calculator app
nocturne oriole
Yeah bro devinfra is cracked i feel ur pain
ivory stratus
if youre on 2 pages youre either suuuuper cracked or youre fluffing up your calc...
Hey I’ll have you know that my calculator also outputs kitten pictures
nocturne oriole
Im also dumbest dude in the room
But it’s ok at least we have each other
And our good looks
pallid kernel
work still sucks but i’m in a good mood today cuz i finally got a job offer and can stop leetcoding
whole berry
work still sucks but i’m in a good mood today cuz i finally got a job offer and ...
zon?
pallid kernel
yes
whole berry
thats amazing
my they/them pal you did it
actually a legend
the sleep must be blessed
i know the night after i get an offer from anywhere gonna be so insane
you
pallid kernel
i know the night after i get an offer from anywhere gonna be so insane
you’ve got this man
whole berry
you’ve got this man
dreamy cliff
anyone else applied to amazon early sept and still no OA? 🥲
uncut umbra
like im currently still on the clock
don't they check to see if you go to another screen?
uncut umbra
What’s an appropriate amount of projects to put on your resume
you gotta prioritize stuff. take off anything that isn't positively helping you, and prioritize the hardest/highest impact/most impressive things you've done
rain patio
No
west egret
You got call invite from recruiter already?
You prob got offer then
I had my EM yesterday as well but I bombed. So I kind of know I'm not getting any calls lol
lilac locust
tell them to fuck off and wait
kind orbit
Depends on the company but i dont think itll harm you to
all these contracts are at-will employment
theres no legal barring to renege
uncut umbra
or a phone interview
phone yes, still waiting on further steps
sweet urchin
C1 does not give a single shit about reneg
iron storm
phone yes, still waiting on further steps
dm'ed you @uncut umbra
teal jackal
theyre not allowed to retaliate after u
reneging is legal, its a contract for a reason
ebon quiver
anyone else
STILL jobless
like this is crazy
there aint even many new opeinngs
seems like its the beginning of the end folks
lilac locust
TREU
vestal pelican
Trie
I just say I know the most optimal solution is with a trie but I will code a less optimal solution for time sake lol
elder hound
Wdf doesn’t a single hashmap with values as other hashmap work as trie
That’s what I did on codesignsl
They’re pog
dreamy cliff
passionfruit orange guava juice
uncut umbra
the little things that you push down and then they pop up
elder hound
Toaster?
abstract storm
Has anyone gone through IBM's entry-level backend developer hackerrank or interview? How was it?
uneven fulcrum
seems like its the beginning of the end folks
For sure
uncut umbra
tuple?
uncut umbra
Has anyone gone through IBM's entry-level backend developer hackerrank or interv...
they said they would give me one and never did, fuck ibm lmao
uncut umbra
also, now that disney's ghosted me for a solid three weeks and hasn't responded to any of my emails, do I keep on emailing asking for more info on setting up a phone or do I just L
abstract storm
Rip
abstract storm
they said they would give me one and never did, fuck ibm lmao
was this for a hackerrank or the actual interview?
uncut umbra
was this for a hackerrank or the actual interview?
hackerrank I think
I've been applying, just followed up again lol
uncut umbra
I applied 7 weeks ago
abstract storm
I come from a pretty no-name cs school so it was kind of a shot in the dark
compact sundial
marsh sand
lament summit
it’s both
uncut umbra
schrodinger's amazon: both waitlisting and not recruiting people at the same time, a superposition of recruiting and fuckery (but really, what is the difference?)
timber rock
Anyone done optiver recruiter phone?
Is it just normal behavioural qs
Or do they ask some weird shit
ebon quiver
does anyone know
if using a stringbuffer in java means any additional space complexity
like is using a stringbuffer of size n o(n) space complexity?
cuz i know they are basically strings that are backed with an array
foggy hinge
anyone did bloomberg em/hr round last week an still havent heard back?
normal palm
Anyone done optiver recruiter phone?
U got phone??
pure mauve
Bruh i thought options was full
normal palm
Yeah I got like 70% but I didn't think that would be enough for optiver
Yee same
upper socket
Tempted to lie about a competing offer to speed up recruiter response from a final interview...
pure mauve
Yo serious question
violet badger
Google APM - anyone heard back after phone?
pure mauve
If after a recruiter call, they say they will send your resume to the HM and don’t give the OA(next step) is she low key just saying u got rejected
pure mauve
Nah veeva
floral plank
Nah veeva
they said that to me and now I have been ghosted lol
I usually thought that was normal for them to say
pure mauve
How long?
floral plank
a month lol
pure mauve
Like bruh how can these recruiters reject me man
Like what are they looking for
Is it cuz of headcount or something
pure mauve
No I’m trying to sound cocky
It’s just that there’s literally nothing in these interviews that they look for
lilac locust
cocky
hexed moth
how do you know that
lilac locust
veeva came to my school but I think they were looking for supply chain
they “had” engineering but no one got back to me
grizzled bronze
If after a recruiter call, they say they will send your resume to the HM and don...
Just follow up if it's been a week, only your recruiter can know
lilac locust
lilac locust
Just follow up if it's been a week, only your recruiter can know
Give me a job
hexed moth
It’s just that there’s literally nothing in these interviews that they look for
being an engineer is more than just programming skills lol
last belfry
How long does it take for bb to send out update after vo2?
shrewd ivy
same question^ it has been a week for me
lament summit
being an engineer is more than just programming skills lol
yeah its about how good u are at leetcode
lilac locust
leetcode is disgusting 
teal jackal
yeah its about how good u are at leetcode
This tbh
narrow violet
leetcode is disgusting <:trolldespair:854799577490915338>
Yet we still grind it 😣
teal jackal
Yeah because leetcode levels the playing field for jobs tbh
Behavioral interviews are too arbitrary
I think behaviorals aren't a good measure for hiring
narrow violet
Yeah although I hate the leet code grind. I’m also not so opposed to it. I suck at behaviorals lol
lilac locust
Yeah
lilac locust
Yeah although I hate the leet code grind. I’m also not so opposed to it. I suck ...
It’s the opposite for me
uncut umbra
^
maybe I'm biased but I'm better at behaviorals so I want them more lol
I can talk like a mfer
lilac locust
maybe I'm biased but I'm better at behaviorals so I want them more lol
Agreed
teal jackal
Leetcode is a pure meritocracy
tawdry skiff
Masn?
uncut umbra
Leetcode is a pure meritocracy
I don't fully agree but I can see the idea
lilac locust
but I got LP down to a T
uncut umbra
not all of the skills that make you a good leetcoder make you a good swe imo
teal jackal
Yeah I get that
grizzled bronze
I think behaviorals aren't a good measure for hiring
Depends on how the behavioral is done, but it's a must. Good way to weed out people you wouldn't wanna work with.
teal jackal
I can agree with the concept of a personality vibe check though
crude saffron
Lc is accessible to everyone
teal jackal
Just don't like it when it's weighed too heavily
The bar for passing the personality vibe check can be very opaque and arbitrary
And often they also say "yeah I really agree that that's a good point" when in reality they thought that your answer is trash
azure zephyr
ayo snap? they're so in the hole rn
teal jackal
Which throws me off so much
uncut umbra
Lc is accessible to everyone
but the qualities that make you able to do 300 lc I argue are not necessarily the same as being a good employee
crude saffron
There is a nonzero correlation tho
From good lc to good employee
And any corr is better than just randomly choosing
uncut umbra
I think that's not the best goal, but considering that is many companies' goals I agree ig
yeah no that's fair
I just don't think it's the best
teal jackal
I guess the thing about behaviorals is that I don't like the whole problem of how there's a lot of mind games involved
uncut umbra
methodology to determine a good employee
teal jackal
Maybe once I'm a senior dev I'll be like "yeah that company wasn't meant for me anyways" but as a new grad it sucks
fossil jewel
leetcode prep favors those who can make the time to prep tbh
last summit
I guess the thing about behaviorals is that I don't like the whole problem of ho...
theres really no mind games involved its just understanding what they're trying to get signal on with each question they ask, and this is spelled out for you since pretty much any question that could be asked is well documented online
just prep answers for every behavioral question and there should be almost no thinking that you have to do on the spot
yes i can see how parsing the signal part out can be difficult, im just imagining you can bruteforce it by prepping answers knowing what questions could be asked ahead of time
its like studying for LC except there only being 10 possible questions
u can just do all of them and not know how to code at all and thats fine
teal jackal
theres really no mind games involved its just understanding what they're trying ...
Yeah the signal part is the mind game to me
I think I need to do more due diligence and analyze the questions
Like analyze what they want to hear
Because the wording of the question can be deceptive
last summit
- Why <company name>
- greatest failure/success
- tell me about yourself/elevator pitch
- what your goals are
- a challenge you faced
- navigating a difficult/bad coworker
and maybe a couple others im missing
but if you have template answers for those you can pretty much use them for anything
as i said before u can dm me your responses ahead of time if u want and ill take a look
teal jackal
I think I'll do research and template out some answers
pure mauve
Nah bro that’s exactly what I did
I answered the questions well
And the recruiter was so robotic I
Had a long talk about the company
but damn she prolly had a lot of other interviews and candidates
woeful basin
How long does it take for bb to send out update after vo2?
is this the 2 technical or the hr + eng man?
vestal pelican
is this the 2 technical or the hr + eng man?
I think vo2 is just 1 technical
fossil jewel
And the recruiter was so robotic I
sometimes it be like that, just like how some technical interviewers arent responsive
pure mauve
Ig I just got unlucky with the recruiter then
pure mauve
Jesus
lament summit
🔜
pure mauve
Wuts ur resume like?
lament summit
She’s Elon musks daughter
pure mauve
damn
normal palm
Did you get it?
I didnt get the oa yet
lament summit
Cmu is what’s gettin u those interviews 
timber rock
Oh rip
lament summit
There’s so many cmu peeps at pin
cedar gulch
Do u know sweintern on tiktok
hexed moth
i loved it there
lament summit
would u take pin
hexed moth
i had so much fun climbing and doing circus stuff there
hexed moth
u got dis
teal jackal
school prestige boost is real
damn
@lament summit on us to make our school proud and a future big name
its too late for me to do that as a new grad
but ill for sure someday
bring our school to the best of companies
lament summit
tawdry skiff
any prestige is important for first internship and first job
afterwards, you're on your own kid
hushed ember
While giving my tiktok OA I received a call on my iPhone which got reverted to my MacBook and hence for a fraction of a second Hacker Rank thought I moved away from the screen.
teal jackal
i feel like the main advantage to school prestige and company prestige is that more companies will tkae their chances with you
hushed ember
Idk If this would be a problem. Do you guys I should mail TikTok explaning the situation
lament summit
While giving my tiktok OA I received a call on my iPhone which got reverted to m...
Yeah it’s over
ur done
hushed ember
I did my OA surprisingly well
lament summit
gg ur banned from Tiktok forever
teal jackal
id email
tawdry skiff
if you're worried about it, I would just email with a heads up
but I bet you it's like proctorio where a human can just check the incident manually
lilac locust
how do I get a job
timber rock
you dont
tawdry skiff
how do I get a job
first get a internship
then get return offer
or be cracked af like @queen valve
grizzled bronze
how do I get a job
Thought you had a return offer
marble bronze
^
My general rule of thumb is 100 applications sample size for response rate
If response rate (human) >= 10 continue applying, else check resume
Tweak based on factors like if you're international, number of internships and where, etc.
lilac locust
Thought you had a return offer
What
bleak anchor
Yo for those going/went to Bloomberg Discovery Day, what kind of hotel rooms do they put you in? Got some friends who wanna freeload my hotel room lol
teal jackal
If response rate (human) >= 10 continue applying, else check resume
bad year, not sure if that ratio is good anymore
tawdry skiff
skill diff
teal jackal
but also factor of what kind of job
tawdry skiff
hot ivy
Yo for those going/went to Bloomberg Discovery Day, what kind of hotel rooms do ...
1 queen bed
thoughts on pinterest vs bloomberg for new grad?
bleak anchor
What's Pinterest comp?
hot ivy
isn't the TC for pins way to high compared to bbg
recurring is same basically, the sign on bonus is a lot
hot ivy
How was the event
pretty good, just a lot of talks but its nice to see the office, and then they took us to SPIN w an open bar tab
tawdry skiff
I look like pure money, so I would go with pins
bbg is nyc, which is nice
and I think they have better benefits than pins
but the question is if the benefits outway the bonus you get
uncut umbra
I feel like pins is more volatile? bb doesn't seem to fluctuate much
hot ivy
yeah worried about rescinds/job security at pins
tawdry skiff
hmmm
yeah, pins might be more volatile on that front
@nocturne oriole pins or bbg
prime palm
thoughts on pinterest vs bloomberg for new grad?
Pinterest one billion percent
prime palm
But Pinterest is remote right
tawdry skiff
prime palm
I might do Bloomberg nyc just for a more fun new grad life
rain patio
Blackberry is non existent
tawdry skiff
okay, I admit
i'm a boomer
hot ivy
But Pinterest is remote right
yeah, would be in nyc still but not sure if i want my team to be split and virtual meetings and such
hot ivy
Join bb discord
can you send invite link
tawdry skiff
honestly, hybird/remote is fine tbh
alot of ng and young peeps show up to the office anyways
I wouldn't be tooooo worried about it
rain patio
Does pins give free food
hot ivy
yep
tawdry skiff
teal jackal
ive discovered a new recipe i really like
stale biscuits + laksa soup
the hot laksa soup softens the biscuits while adding a lot of flavor
late kestrel
bbgang
prime palm
yeah, would be in nyc still but not sure if i want my team to be split and virtu...
Oooooo
autumn ridge
thoughts on pinterest vs bloomberg for new grad?
I personally would take pinterest. I think pin is riskier in that it's possible the economy could just free fall and you would be safer at BB.
At pinterest though you are working on social/ad/shopping at true scale where as BB would be financial market focused. When I think about career trajectory I would rather have exp from pin vs BB for whatever position I go to next and think it's easier to get external promo with pin exp vs BB.
sudden sequoia
anyone hear back from samsara after codesignal?
mystic glacier
the waiting after the interview sucks more than the interview
late kestrel
also dont they pay pretty ehh for how annoying their process is
heavy tusk
riot or amazon?
uncut umbra
ok well not doing it lmao
tawdry skiff
riot or amazon?
zon
heavy tusk
reason?
tawdry skiff
pay
heavy tusk
wb riot vs amazon for final internship? resume value?
tawdry skiff
zon probably has better value
heavy tusk
dang rlly? thought Riot more exclusive - maybe higher bar
tawdry skiff
I think zon has more transferrable skills compared to riot
gleaming fable
all games companies are like this besides roblox
heavy tusk
roblox > riot bc high pay and cool company?
lament summit
roblox > riot bc high pay and cool company?
Riot is cooler roblox is more prestigious
heavy tusk
fair enuf xd
lament summit
wb riot vs amazon for final internship? resume value?
What org for amazon
heavy tusk
have intern offer - no team match - placed in SF
lament summit
amazon is the safe option
Personally i would pick riot without a doubt
Riot slightly better looking than amazon imo
The amazon process is kind of a joke
heavy tusk
^ amazon process so free, hiring bar v low
heavy tusk
still interviewing but might be cool just for intern
heavy tusk
at least amazon stock p stable
fast hinge
if you like gaming it seems like itd be fun
amazon is p generic and can always go whenever
heavy tusk
riot office so fire
fast hinge
but if you need security zon makes sense
sonic coral
all games companies are like this besides roblox
Doesn’t riot also pay more than most game dev jobs
lament summit
bbg is nyc, which is nice
and I think they have better benefits than pins
Pins also has an nyc office with free food and a gym btw
All 3 meals
vestal pelican
Pins > Bloomberg
sonic coral
Pins also has an nyc office with free food and a gym btw
Pins has remote too just ask @frank wedge
Dude works in Philly
lament summit
No it’s fully remot
It’s up to u when and if u want to go to the office
and u can work anywhere in the world 3 months at a time
tawdry skiff
nice
vestal pelican
and u can work anywhere in the world 3 months at a time
I would be Airbnb hopping and live with my parents/family now and then
gleaming fable
Oh shit you're right I thought riot paid like most game devs do lol
gleaming fable
Oh shit you're right I thought riot paid like most game devs do lol
Wrong reply but yeah
Seems like you gotta be an actual SWE at riot tho and not a game dev
To get decent money
teal jackal
id love to work at riot or roblox
lament summit
Bb not even close
no
bb prestige better, resume value better, pay better, perks better
reef kettle
I agree with found job
zinc bear
just had second phone screen for hive
reef kettle
I feel like eBay and Bloomberg are likely to lead to pretty different careers though so could go either way
lament summit
bruh eBay shit LOL
floral plank
yea I would say it is on the same level as banks
all I did there was sell legos lol
reef kettle
This is likely only true of people who are more familiar with Bloomberg the person than Bloomberg the company. I feel like Bloomberg is pretty well respected at least in the finance space
I agree that if you tell your homies they'll think about the person but I think recruiters realize what BB is tbh
Yeah you're right about that too
Yeeahh, I agree
But eBay still seems like a good place to work
teal jackal
does job prestige matter that much for the SE2 job hop?
honestly im worried that im going on a downwards trajectory in life
i think that with the recession, ive just been unlucky tbh
one amazon internship isnt enough to unicorns
and other high prestige companies
formal fable
does job prestige matter *that* much for the SE2 job hop?
Job prestige matters always, no matter what they say. Being SDE 2/3 at Zon is wayy more impressive than the same at no-name startup or defunct dinosaur company. Similarly, Product Manager at Apple is gonna open far more doors than the same at like Ebay or some shit.
However, how much is matters is subject to the role, location, relevance of prior experience, etc.
teal jackal
i feel like the recession has pushed me so that i have to go backwards in life
amazon -> lower prestige company
then work my way back up the totem pole
sonic coral
BB def has a bit of a pipeline to hft
teal jackal
im very skeptical of applying to banks as SWEs
i think id prob rather be unemployed temporarily and keep applying
lament summit
capital one is good
teal jackal
c1 is the only bank id consider
lament summit
J.P. Morgan is good too
teal jackal
jpmc has decent tech?
lament summit
I think so
teal jackal
but tbh im skeptical of living in nyc on 120k tc
id rather work fully remote for 110k and stay home
crude saffron
The hours aren’t that bad
floral plank
c1 is the only bank id consider
c1 tech isn't bad
during my internship, the work was kinda interesting
teal jackal
i think c1 is pretty good, i honestly think their business model is aite
its tech adjacent
formal fable
Not most of them. There would be like 1 quant for 10 "bros" and the culture will reflect the majority. So... you decide whether you can take that
teal jackal
banking but with a focus on tech services
floral plank
the only issue is pay especially their pogression
sonic coral
All I’m saying is you’ll pass the resume check for hft lol
You obv still have to put in the work lol
teal jackal
its kinda the place you stay at until you can find a better job lol
last summit
mfs down bad
teal jackal
mfs down bad
if they want a software engineer so much then hire me lmao
formal fable
Yeah, but that transition holds for pretty much any state, right? Almost any place -> HFT is less likely than -> FAANG, unless you're a pure math nerd.
knotty talon
but also theres a ton more faang positions than HFT positions? i dont rlly see you point
i mean i see it
crude saffron
FAANG hires like 100x more people
knotty talon
but i dont thin it makes sense
formal fable
but also theres a ton more faang positions than HFT positions? i dont rlly see y...
Exactly. BB has no uncorrelation with HFT cause of FAANG's numbers.
I can say first hand that while there is no sure shot pipeline, proximity to the relevant industry and folks working there helps. If you can even make a connection to some quant at BB, who then ends up at HFT, then that's your foot in the door
rustic vessel
Goldmans pretty crap overall from what I’ve heard
crude saffron
False
dense cloud
i would say the next batch of bloomberg ngs are gna be stacked asf and there will def be q a few who manage to jump to hft
rustic vessel
Tons of politics and low pay
crude saffron
Qr is for actual smart people
teal jackal
tbh the problem with banks is that i feel like theyre pigeonholes
dense cloud
i hate banks
fossil jewel
jpmc has decent tech?
i worked with a decent tech stack
livid yew
this
fossil jewel
backend teams worked with java which im seeing everyone still uses
formal fable
I'm assuming all that skill and yet no tractable strategy for success at HFT. I've tried the same for most sought after software positions as well. In the US, at least, connections often are the key to by-passing random heavy filters of competition.
Knowing the right people, having face-time with them, leads to un-written insights, escalations and opportunities.
teal jackal
i feel like we dont like the feeling that we're wasting time, and without prestige tbh youll be hopping for better prestige rather than hopping for a promotion
livid yew
New Grads currently live in a bubble, where "I have to work for XYZ" or I am a failure to scciety
teal jackal
I already know that I'm planning on job hopping by EOY 2025
livid yew
simping for a company is funny
fossil jewel
i feel like we dont like the feeling that we're wasting time, and without presti...
its not a waste of time if you're still getting valuable exp
formal fable
I got BB interviews certainly far easily than Netflix, all because of my referrals. I got an interview with a no-name Prop Shop cause I happened to talk to a random guy at my school.
livid yew
also true
fossil jewel
honestly its not that hard to hop around since experience is experience
teal jackal
i honestly have my personal reasons for this, im just sick of always lagging behind my peers
livid yew
i honestly have my personal reasons for this, im just sick of always lagging beh...
that is a bad mindset tbh
like comparisons are bad sometimes
like Do what is best for you, who gives a fuck what your friends think, like end of day is does not matter
teal jackal
I am just very sick of underachieving
I've underachieved all my lfie because I've never had a goal before that I couldn't just buy
livid yew
I gave in to being a underachiver years ago
formal fable
i honestly have my personal reasons for this, im just sick of always lagging beh...
The key is, "what do I want (regardless of others)?" -> "work on a small portion of that" -> "evaluate and adjust" -> "Repeat". At no point, other than for guidance and learning, should you peek into other's metrics.
dense cloud
u may be underachieving compared to your friends but im pretty sure u are well accomplished compared to 99.9% of the population
livid yew
Out of all my peers, I'm the dumbest in the room.
and this is fine. use this to your advantage
formal fable
Soon enough, and almost certainly, you will see gains. Not necessarily the best possible gains, but gains nevertheless. And that's more than most can or should hope to achieve.
dense cloud
eh like they said
floral plank
Out of all my peers, I'm the dumbest in the room.
that is how I feel like too
dense cloud
if u are the smartest in the room ure in the wrong room
fossil jewel
that is how I feel like too
i mean same, i had a bunch of big n school folks interning with me but we were all in the same room
livid yew
tbh I like being the retard in the room, its fun
teal jackal
if u are the smartest in the room ure in the wrong room
being the dumbest in the room makes you feel embarassed all the time to coexist with them, but it gives you peer pressure(for better and for worse)
i would have never done leetcode if it wasnt for peer pressure
formal fable
Out of all my peers, I'm the dumbest in the room.
I find that situation quite advantageous as an "early career person" and I actively sought after opportunities that led me to such circumstances.
Makes for a naturally positive flow of knowledge.
livid yew
being the dumbest in the room makes you feel embarassed all the time to coexist ...
just dont have peer pressure?
floral plank
i mean same, i had a bunch of big n school folks interning with me but we were a...
same
fossil jewel
lmao my brain wanted to say top 50 but blanked out and said big n 
livid yew
idk learn to block that out
teal jackal
Peer pressure taught me to start caring about my future
crude saffron
I want to be the dumbest person in the room
teal jackal
Peer pressure made me go like "oh shit i have to actually put effort into my career life"
crude saffron
I only use blind for relationship advice
fossil jewel
honestly you shall still apply to banks
formal fable
being the dumbest in the room makes you feel embarassed all the time to coexist ...
Being dumb is embarrassing only when you know that you aren't improving or working towards something. So long you show to yourself and others that you are a rapid learner, they respect that instead of your "lack of knowledge"
fossil jewel
you're only gatekeeping yourself from getting a job in a recession
teal jackal
Being dumb is embarrassing only when you know that you aren't improving or worki...
i like that mentality
livid yew
I only use blind for relationship advice
tf how, its all Indians complaining about their H1B
formal fable
I'm dumb and proud, cause next year, everyone knows I've caught up and moving on to smarter folks to be dumb again.
livid yew
damn your right
crude saffron
tf how, its all Indians complaining about their H1B <:kekw_recession_edition:101...
There’s a relationship section
livid yew
Blind had good intentions but its turned into a cluster fuck
livid yew
There’s a relationship section
lmao no way
teal jackal
arent indians asian too
fossil jewel
same
honestly it gave me a bit of a perspective that i am more capable than i give myself credit for
vestal pelican
Indian != Asian?
livid yew
India is in Asia, therefore Indians are Asians
that is just a fact
Russians are both Asians and Europeans tho
vestal pelican
I thought Indians are from the Americas /s lol
crude saffron
If Asian was used for both Indian and East Asian that would be too general of a descriptor I feel like
livid yew
Everytime I go on blind, I feel like the minority, as a white american 
teal jackal
tbh i think the western definition of "Asian" is dumb
crude saffron
Especially since it’d cover like 33% of the population
livid yew
I always just use Asian for the whole continent tho
teal jackal
Like the middle east, east asia, and southeast asia are VERY different
The definition of asia is just way too big
crude saffron
There are enough physical and cultural differences between East Asian and Indian where it’s prolly appropriate to delineate them
(Imo)
teal jackal
oh yeah apparently arabs are white according to the census, mad stupid shit
livid yew
East Asia is like China and Japan then?
teal jackal
idiots still are hella racist against arabs but "nope youre white lmao nobody cares"
crude saffron
Kr
marble bronze
There are enough physical and cultural differences between East Asian and Indian...
If we're going by physical/cultural differences when we'd probably have to split the americas too
livid yew
and Korea
vestal pelican
In the UK, Asians are mostly refers to South Asians while in the US, Asians usually refers to east Asians
crude saffron
If we're going by physical/cultural differences when we'd probably have to split...
Yes
livid yew
Blame my US education lmao
fossil jewel
livid yew
tbh just be from North Korea, then you are in a league of your own
tbh China's government scares me more than North Korea
the amount of stuff they own by proxy is insane
teal jackal
i think the china threat is overrated but im also biased since im ethnic chinese
crude saffron
It doesn’t matter
Global warming is the most prevailing issue and we can’t do anything to stop it
marble bronze
I thought we're all here to make enough money so that it doesn't affect us
We're all fucked anyways, might as well try to survive
livid yew
yep, the planet is already fucked, so just give up
there is no point in trying anymore tbh
its already over
crude saffron
I mean even if I’m fine like 50% of the worlds population will be severely affected
livid yew
tbh I would rather WW3 just happen to get it over worth, like drop the nukes already
marble bronze
I mean even if I’m fine like 50% of the worlds population will be severely affec...
Oh yeah no there is going to be only increasing inequality as time goes on
livid yew
lmao
livid yew
just move to like North Dakota then
low COL
get remote 300K offer
you would be set for a while
crude saffron
Yea it’s dumb
marble bronze
Spend all the money on seeds and firearms
crude saffron
I have enough money to sustain myself but will never get enough money to make a meaningful difference
teal jackal
humanity pranks itself by creating an unsustainable lifestyle and leaves the burden to take care of it on its young
foggy perch
I have enough money to sustain myself but will never get enough money to make a ...
Just live selfishly for the best life ez
vestal pelican
I have enough money to sustain myself but will never get enough money to make a ...
What is money at that point tho
stark topaz
guys, can someone help me to prepare for why capital One question? any sources. tia!
narrow violet
It’s ok it happens
dense cloud
did the interviewers not hint/help
latent sun
Has anybody gotten Amazon offer extension ?
no extensions
they’re strict about it
even my google recruiter warned about that since i told her i was talking to amazon
crude saffron
It is
last belfry
If you use a hint in an interview is that bad?
lilac narwhal
Does Palantir ghost after phone round? (Alrdy did OA, karat, phone)
chilly burrow
If you use a hint in an interview is that bad?
No
chilly burrow
its not as good as not needing a hint tho
Tru
I meant it's not bad as in a instant fail
Should have clarified, mb
safe rune
outer radish
Anyone trade?
Whats everyones take on SNAP cause tbh that mf under valued af
Sorry fam wrong topic
wind drum
how was doing this shit in person i feel like it's whole new ball game
rustic vessel
When will snap be profitable? It’s hit its peak already
crude saffron
There are smarter people with better info pricing snap
You can more or less assume any liquid stock is priced fairly
Stocks have positive drift
wind drum
how is the office
eh if it was an awk environment then at least that helps w cope
doesn't sound like fun place
foggy perch
obviously it's because you changed your discord name to a false prophet
but also did ya hear back from pltr yet?
o
fossil jewel
go back to HachiYuki
foggy perch
get hyped to jail some kids with pltr let's gooooo
narrow violet
took about 3 days for me
glass knoll
it's been 9 days since my phone. haven't heard back from them
obtuse schooner
17 hours for me
foggy perch
guess this pltr phone call will be proof of whether or not the hachiyuki name has that peak power
foggy perch
as in they haven't called you?
ebon quiver
@foggy perch yeah
ebon quiver
but they said they would call by Friday
mystic glacier
foggy perch
it wouldn't hurt to call
mystic glacier
what does this mean
foggy perch
oh
mystic glacier
went from interview time to submitted
foggy perch
since there's still time today for them to call imo
ebon quiver
yeah ig ok
foggy perch
but also assuming it's an offer or reject call probs won't matter
ebon quiver
why they taking so luck
she said that I'm in team matching process
shell get back to me worst case Friday
I haven't heard a peep.
kinda sus idk
foggy perch
she said that I'm in team matching process
which company
ebon quiver
it's a no name company but not a startup
foggy perch
ah
ebon quiver
mid sized proplyn
floral plank
Nothing
ebon quiver
prolly
jus seems like they rlly don't want me if they don't give me any update at all
lemme j be patient ig
old vector
for airtables application, the preonsite question, are yall picking project based or hackerrank?
lament summit
@queen valve praying for u
warped needle
for airtables application, the preonsite question, are yall picking project base...
idk about that specific application but ive always preferred hackerrank - i applied to a job and they sent me a project and like a week to do it and i ghosted them
sleek leaf
I’m planning on preparing for new grad interviews soon. Can anybody share the differences between internship interviews and NG. Was wondering if you guys get asked System design questions and if I should touch on that for my prep
teal jackal
tbh is it just me, or is it that
when a restaurant is more expensive
its more disappointing
like i remember that time i went to like a $80 a person steakhouse with family
and idk it wasnt amazing
despite being 4.5 stars on google
calm shale
any Worlds watcher rn
tardy geode
Does pinterest call to reject?
bro goldman would ask you to login to see rejection smh
late kestrel
what does this mean
thats bb right
mystic glacier
thats bb right
yea
mystic glacier
that portal was useless after i had my phone
how long did it take u to hear back?
late kestrel
after phone i got inv the next day for vo1. diff for everyone tho
vale cargo
how long did it take u to hear back?
Took me week after phone
knotty talon
whend u do pin?
Tuesday, but I do have an offer deadline today
tardy geode
people having offer deadlines , me here with no offer s
lament summit
Does pinterest call to reject?
u got call?
teal jackal
honestly bloomberg should just automatically give us an offer if 3 no-shows in a row
dense cloud
yoooo congrats @queen valve
lament summit
js
bold pier
Its over 99999999999
lament summit
probs at least 400k
dense cloud
at least tree fiddy
tawdry skiff
yeah, but chicago
tawdry skiff
so actually
lament summit
no
bold pier
@alpine violet I saw that
tardy geode
@queen valve collecting offers like thanos collected infinity stones
congrats tho
i thought palantir did some Area 51 shit
tawdry skiff
gov contracts
bold pier
They hire you, which is very important in this economy
tawdry skiff
and you can get high base
teal jackal
problem with contract work is thatyou gotta keep applying as soon as its over
steep depot
Hey I just got a DRW OA for 75 mins. Did any of you guys take it and what types of questions they ask?
rain patio
Which company is better to join for new grad, google or Netflix?
ivory stratus
Which company is better to join for new grad, google or Netflix?
Netflix for big money
livid turret
Anyone has upcoming Bloomberg phn?
grizzled bronze
Coinbase new grad is out https://rr.noordstar.me/bde624e6
teal jackal
im so down bad im applying anyways
formal fable
Coinbase new grad is out https://rr.noordstar.me/bde624e6
Ah yes, the lesson that one cannot seem to learn
shell dome
citsec vs palantir
formal fable
im so down bad im applying anyways
Apply, chill till start date, get offer rescinded or laid off
teal jackal
did u click on the link?
shell dome
@queen valve would u take citsec over palantir
ivory stratus
Oh it’s a rick roll isn’t it
teal jackal
sigh i just want a gosh darn job
shell dome
either
wind drum
isn't citsec like the dream
shell dome
from a friend who works there, ~500k new grad, 45-50 hrs/wk
livid turret
Anyone has interviews with okta or draftkings?
wind drum
yeah unless you hate chicago i don't understand why palantir would even be considered
shell dome
im trying to convince myself to turn down palantir and stay in school for a full 4 yrs
low scroll
how do you even get past draft kings screen
quasi island
im trying to convince myself to turn down palantir and stay in school for a full...
Wait did palantir give u a ft offer if u dip form school lmao
glass kraken
from a friend who works there, ~500k new grad, 45-50 hrs/wk
only 500 for return intern right ??
shell dome
Wait did palantir give u a ft offer if u dip form school lmao
no my course plan currently leads to 3 yr grad
steep depot
Quant trading
quasi island
Also hello fellow zucked intern
shell dome
but college life >>> and i want to grad w friends
quasi island
Ohhh that makes sense
Yeah imo it’s worth to stay 4 yrs lmao
I took a gap year to make up for the covid year lol
shell dome
only 500 for return intern right ??
might be for return intern, could also be competing
formal fable
What's citsec?
shell dome
citadel securities, market making branch of citadel
low scroll
stay in uni
shell dome
my dream is to stay another yr to pick up math double major since all the real smart kids take math classes
formal fable
Unless you got a pristine GPA and Ivy league pedigree, I fail to see how one can pass the resume screens of Citadel, JS, HRT, etc
shell dome
Unless you got a pristine GPA and Ivy league pedigree, I fail to see how one can...
not ivy league but i passed all their resume screens
glass kraken
Unless you got a pristine GPA and Ivy league pedigree, I fail to see how one can...
I don't and I did, just get lucky
formal fable
not ivy league but i passed all their resume screens
Ivy-tier perhaps? High GPA?
shell dome
Ivy-tier perhaps? High GPA?
T20, all A+s
formal fable
I've applied and successfully passed OAs for Citadel, HRT, multiple times. Never an interview. JS won't even give an OA, lol
quasi island
Do I need like ivy + string gpa for an interview lol
formal fable
I applied to NG this year. Some experienced roles as well. I apply everywhere possible tbh.
chilly burrow
Unless you got a pristine GPA and Ivy league pedigree, I fail to see how one can...
I kno a few ppl not from ivy leagues who got citadel
gleaming fable
yeah I think the trading firms do care about math and academic experience a lot
They're not doing traditional SWE after all
formal fable
It's GPA for HRT as I did cross-validate OA performance. Some with ultra high GPAs but lower OA passed cases got phone
formal fable
I kno a few ppl not from ivy leagues who got citadel
I did not said Ivy -> Citadel. Ivy is a rejection not selection criteria. Point is, if you're Ivy (like) and have impeccable GPA, then you are seriously considered. That doesn't mean you'll get an interview or offer
Many of the roles I'm referring to are pure SWE. Not Quant, not AI/ML. The filters worked all the same
chilly burrow
I did not said Ivy -> Citadel. Ivy is a **rejection** not selection criteria. Po...
U said: "Unless ur from an Ivy or have a pristine GPA I don't see how you coud make it oast resume screen" i answered by sayin i kno ppl who hav
lilac narwhal
When you say you have competing offer is it ok to say which company or better not to?
formal fable
Yeah, I meant Ivy (like) and high GPA. In some cases "AND", in other cases "OR"
chilly burrow
I kno a guy who didn't do shit and got Cit lol
Didn't even hav a good gpa
No research
fervent drift
JUST GOT ANOTHER REJECTION LETS GOOOOOOO WE ON FIRE BABY!!!! 🔥
chilly burrow
Had Amazon on their resume
formal fable
I never said that was a problem. There are exceptions to a general empirical rule. Probabilistic distributions work with randomness across a range and of course, some exceptional individuals will defy the norm.
Just referring to the norm here. I've scoured Linkedin to find an alumni at these firms to connect to. I can find hundreds of those at FAANG, almost none in HFT (literally just 1 at HRT, 0 everywhere else). On the flipside, like 10 from Princeton at HRT on the first page of results. So the distribution speaks for itself and the exceptions don't invalidate that
formal fable
I kno a few ppl not from ivy leagues who got citadel
They said this. Which is, in terms of my observation, exception to the general pattern. As I have detailed above.
chilly burrow
I'm just saying it is possible
formal fable
I'm just saying it is possible
So is scaling k2. Doesn't mean the mortality rate doesn't exist.
timber rock
chilly burrow
Idk wat k2 is
formal fable
Bruh, I do not write essays the first comment I'm making on an observed pattern. Of course, as some pedant contradicts a "general rule" by saying things like "I know someone who did it anyway", is like saying "I know someone who survived stage 3 cancer". It's possible, but it has nothing to do with the point I'm trying to make. They have a hard bias, almost like a filter, so regardless of your performance or resume, you do not get considered. I have multiple attempts and observation of placement of alumni to deduce this.
Geeze
smoky lodge
300k is chump change lol
formal fable
Getting pedantic by pointing out exceptions and then thinking they're smart-asses by "pointing out the possible few cases"
fossil jewel
lets go @queen valve!
formal fable
Sure. Resume skills, backgrounds experience, those are IMO strong and relevant signals. Rest is just lazy filtering
fossil jewel
TIME TO LAUNCH MISSLES
formal fable
Gotta fake those signals and then do a reveal
lament summit
gib job
hexed moth
i cant even imagine what id do with 300 - 500k