2023_grads

[fossil jewel]

by not doing the bare min to pass

[rain patio]

Oh legit? lol

[wheat seal]

Sumo logic, Splunk, datadog

[thick forge]

atm tho havent half the faangs stopped hiring?

[fossil jewel]

oh yeah, i mean prior

[wheat seal]

Tbh prob like 200

[thick forge]

meta down, twitter idk, microsoft cut on new grads, google is fine i think?

well twitter doesnt even count lol

amazon is fine i think*

[wheat seal]

Twitter was chilling but it’s cuz of reorg

[fossil jewel]

yeah ik some cuny students who previously (or still are ) were at twitter, amazon, google, msft, and some guy who's gonna be at slack next summer

its about the hustle

sitting in class and getting the degree alone wont get you the job/internship

[sonic coral]

Yeah this is true

[thick forge]

any thoughts on applying for grad school to ride out the hiring freezes?

[wheat seal]

i used to think that

a lot of ppl still think that

[sonic coral]

The thing is the recession might last longer than 1 year

[wheat seal]

id say 2-3yrs tbh

i just think companies dont know what to expect

[rain patio]

I wish i had this information sooner

[wheat seal]

so they are just being passive in hiring

[thick forge]

well I would be out of grad school in like 4 years if I decide to do it, wouldnt be full time grad

[sonic coral]

I had to literally push my friend to apply everywhere and grind the bare minimum of LC

[rain patio]

All i did durign my college was work 40 hours a week as a cashier and go to school full time

[wheat seal]

thats what i try to do to help my friend too

[rain patio]

I wish i spent that time studying and making projects

[wheat seal]

but he doesnt even want to relocate

[fossil jewel]

well you had to make money, so dont be too harsh on yourself

[sonic coral]

My guy started applying a month after graduating

If it wasn’t for IXL tbh idk if he’d even have a job ngl

[wheat seal]

yea thats what 80% of cs majors do

thats why i cant believe 30% make 100k+

[sonic coral]

Ah yeah I had to instill the severity of the situation for him because this dude wanted to stay in Brooklyn at first too

[wheat seal]

i think its more like 10-15%

[thick forge]

isnt IXL the math website?

[elfin shuttle]

what would you consider bare minimum lc

[fossil jewel]

again, you got an offer for 93k no? you can always move on up

[sonic coral]

I was like “bruh you aren’t at liberty to make that kinda choice rn”

And had to push him to apply everywhere

[sonic coral]

Well he basically grinded for like maybe a month and just focused on basic patterns and stuff

[hasty birch]

Important topics of b75

[elfin shuttle]

gotcha

[dusky plover]

300 lc minimun

[thick forge]

would be full time, part time masters

[sonic coral]

Yeah like he also barely did lc during that month too like maybe 50 total or something

[shrewd ocean]

then whats the point of doing masters

[thick forge]

thats where opinions come in lol

[sonic coral]

Yep lol

[thick forge]

how much value does grad bring to the table

[sonic coral]

But he’s not doing too bad, 90k in NC

[thick forge]

id love to move to NC 😩

[rain patio]

Yea i did but... when i see other friends make 150k my eyes go wild

...

[shrewd ocean]

if u alr have full time theres basically no point

unless u wanna do like phd or sum

[sonic coral]

Comparison is the thief of joy man

[shrewd ocean]

and go for research or those specialized ml roles

[sonic coral]

What company is the 90k offer

[thick forge]

is masters only good for the niche areas?

[rain patio]

IXL and Fidelity in NC

that pay around 90k

[shrewd ocean]

its literally there for niche areas or to break into industry

thats it

[thick forge]

ah

[sonic coral]

Honestly IXL is a solid place to start from what my friend is telling me

[rain patio]

IXL is a cancerous company

[sonic coral]

He’s actually working on features already and says the culture is pretty chill

[rain patio]

3.8 GPA + Perfect OA + Statement on why i want to work here (spent 30 minutes writing this) still rejected

Without opportunity for interview

[wicked rivet]

i got the phone and they gave me a hard 🥴

[rain patio]

Dont waste my time with 90k tc

[sonic coral]

Didn’t you say you had an offer tho?

[rain patio]

They are not faang lmao

[shrewd ocean]

lol i rmr doing ixl in like 3rd grade

[rain patio]

Not from IXL

[thick forge]

quick maths!

[rain patio]

I was doing it as a practice i guess

[sonic coral]

Oh lol I thought you meant those two were your offers

[rain patio]

And try to negotiate my offer

[rain patio]

Nope XD

[sonic coral]

Lol so what’s your 93k offer then

[rain patio]

Fidelity

[slender apex]

What location is it

[rain patio]

And this other company in LA

[sonic coral]

Also a solid place to start tbh

[slender apex]

Fidelity only paying u 90k

Goddamn

[rain patio]

Yes... weird. 93k in NC

Of course rent is cheap?

[slender apex]

Ohh nvm

That makes more sense

90k is decent for NC

That’s like 120k ish for west coast i think

[rain patio]

I think over 100k for Fidelity in NJ

[slender apex]

Sounds abt right

U can just check the average living cost i for for each state and compare it with urs

Generally a good measure

[thick forge]

NC is a great place to live in isnt it?

theyve got seasons unlike FL

[slender apex]

I mean its def a good start

Lmao yeah

Research triangle and all

[thick forge]

fck FL im tryna get out 😭

[slender apex]

It rly depends on wut ur going for in the future

But its a good entry place

[empty thorn]

has anyone done anyscale final?

[sharp stream]

How hard is 100k new grad with no experience

East coast

[compact obsidian]

like no relevant experience at all, or just no job experience?

[sharp stream]

No internships

I had Loom but they cancelled it a week before

[compact obsidian]

should be relatively easy if you have good research/leadership/school name/side projects

[sharp stream]

Yeah I got side projects

[compact obsidian]

but also economy sucks so also not that easy

[sharp stream]

Yay

[compact obsidian]

had a couple friends w/ no job experience get capital one last year

i think they're like 129k in mclean

but that was last year

this year capital one already full

[cobalt siren]

In my experience JP morgan's interview is relatively easy, and it's above 100k for nyc @sharp stream

[sharp stream]

I passed the code signal and recruiter ghosted me for 4 weeks then said I was no longer able to schedule my power day

[sharp stream]

I’ll have to apply

[calm shale]

even back in like late aug, powerdays are scheduled out to oct

lmaoo

this year too

if youre lucky

if you get a powerday scheduled, you basically get it

ya

no lc on final

and u only need like a 700 gca

[teal jackal]

my pday is bordering ddecember lmao

im scared about them cancelling it

[compact obsidian]

december wow

[cobalt siren]

C1 had lc for me and a bunch of other people

Also more spots will definitely open up for those who decline return offer, the deadline is October 28th

[ivory stratus]

Dang maybe I should apply

[teal jackal]

2 l8

sorry jake

[forest aspen]

anyone familiar with what this code would do in python?

[timber rock]

C1 still not got back to me after my video interview 🙃

[forest aspen]

the int() part

[timber rock]

Converts the boolean expression into 0 or 1

[fossil jewel]

should cast the boolean into an int

[timber rock]

For false and true respectively

[forest aspen]

oooh i gotcha

tysm

[west egret]

Do it. I’ll reject powerday for you.

[timber rock]

Np

[west egret]

If their app ever opened up again anyways

[coarse charm]

lol is this for string compression II

[west egret]

I thought you interned at c1?

Did you mean last year?

[twilit wasp]

i wonder how many people have 2 offers rn

[nocturne oriole]

@pulsar mural

[twilit wasp]

for msft to stop hiring early cause more interns are accepting the return offer for full time tells me that a lot of people out there are not getting 2 offers

[west egret]

I’m at 1/2 an offer. Manager emailed me saying it was approved but didn’t receive offer letter yet.

[twilit wasp]

ohh

[jaunty basalt]

There’s quite a few people here with multiple offers

[rain patio]

Plz i want 100k

Remote

😦

[west egret]

Also because it’s so stressful in this market that it’s diminishing returns.

[timber rock]

i just want a job that pays money

[west egret]

Because really how many offers are substantially better than MSFT?

[twilit wasp]

idk but i feel like in the uk people are struggling more to get job and interviews

like never heard of people with 2 offers

[jaunty basalt]

UK

[twilit wasp]

for this year at least

[last belfry]

Has anyone had bloomberg vo round on campus ?

[twilit wasp]

last year i had some friends who were negotiating base salary and bonus

this year, everyone is just stressed cause they cant get interviews :((

[timber rock]

Yeah we have so few companies already compared to the us and now with the hiring decreasing it's just terrible

[lost ether]

Salary negotiations riskier this cycle you guys think?

[twilit wasp]

depends how much and location

i would give it a try if a company pays 35k for london, cause with the all the bills and rent, think that's too low for london

[cobalt siren]

yeah last year, did this year have no lc?

[west egret]

That's what I've been hearing

[cobalt siren]

gotcha

[west egret]

Like an OOD and some debugging or w/e?

Honestly, I haven't been paying too much attention

[cobalt siren]

I think I messed up atlassian's negotiation, they said there's no risk and I should've asked for a crap ton

[west egret]

I literally had to schedule it 2 months out lmao

[cobalt siren]

ah ok i had both ood and then an lc question w follow ups

[west egret]

You're going to Atlassian?

[cobalt siren]

Don’t know yet but they ask you for salary expectation before final round and then no negotiation after I think

[west egret]

That's weird that they want you to negotiate before an offer is even offered.

[coarse quiver]

@elder locust @rain patio

[jaunty basalt]

I couldn’t negotiate

I don’t think you can

Even return interns couldn’t apparently

It’s a set offer based on your location

[coarse quiver]

Even if you bring a better offer for the same location?

[jaunty basalt]

Yeah

Like it says in my offer you can’t I’m pretty sure

Even my recruiter call mentioned the same

[coarse quiver]

I understand why they have an L product

[cobalt siren]

Interesting, wonder why they ask for salary expectations but also say that no amount will disqualify you from consideration

[jaunty basalt]

They never asked me

So maybe they’re switching it up

Like first off they gave people a shorter interview

[coarse quiver]

1m+

[jaunty basalt]

Oh look we have an opening for CTO

[cobalt siren]

This what I got

[cobalt siren]

I asked for $125000 in Columbus and back down and said oops I meant $115000

Idk why I got scared

Even tho it says you won’t be disqualified

[jaunty basalt]

Dude they never sent me that lmao

It was just click this link to pick a date

[cobalt siren]

Gotcha lol

On the flip side I can’t pick a date

So scheduling is taking a while

[coarse quiver]

I bet the cto is not even making 500k+

[cobalt siren]

But also I says meeting market expectations so maybe there isn’t any negotiation anyways

[jaunty basalt]

Dayum, shots

[cobalt siren]

They just wanna know for research or something

[jaunty basalt]

Yeah

[coarse quiver]

https://newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/p/scoop-atlassian

[jaunty basalt]

They’re gonna be like soooooo, you asked for 2B, can’t do that but thanks for the data

[cobalt siren]

Gotta create some chaos in this world

[jaunty basalt]

Not rn bro

U gotta get the job first

[cobalt siren]

True lmaooo

[jaunty basalt]

Also one of their values is “open company no bullshit” so they won’t jebait you

Or at least they shouldn’t

[thick shell]

Hey guys I'm interviewing for the Expedia Technical Program manager position. Does anybody know how, or what resources I should be studying for the Case Study interview and Program Management Competency Interviews?

[teal jackal]

I just played 3 hours of csgo zombie escape

Wtf

[slate bobcat]

!avatar @high eagle

[earnest warren]

Avatar for salat 🌊#4789

Link as

png | jpg | webp

[compact sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/explaining-gif-22499839

[rain patio]

4 questions in 90 minutes lol

Acting like they give 180k tc lol

[normal palm]

is it actually 90k

in nyc?

[jaunty basalt]

any company that give you an offer

[static moth]

albertsons

burger king

[rain patio]

NC is 90k and SF is 120k

@queen valve

TC

[crude saffron]

Toxic

[grizzled bronze]

Fidelity

[crude saffron]

I wish I could make that much

[cobalt siren]

You guys remember when Albertsons was listed as like 100/hr+ for intern last year lol

They were the top dog for a brief moment

[autumn ridge]

Is that where the Albertsons meme can from lol i had no idea

[primal pike]

tiktok oa 5 questions 2 hrs

wml

[cobalt siren]

Yep lol

Last year for some reason levels said Albertsons was the highest paying internship

And it was like 100/hr plus I think

[sonic coral]

Gg to Albertsons tho they got bought by Kroger

The worlds top quantitative grocery fund is no more

[rain patio]

Yea its hard loo

[primal pike]

fuk they ask for webcam lol

gg

[rain patio]

Oh yea theyre a bit crazy

But their TC is 200k

So... 🙂

[earnest summit]

where do you guys study your OOD?

[primal pike]

says test isnt open yet

[fossil jewel]

i think tik tok does it in batches

[chilly burrow]

But 996 😔

[rain patio]

Whats 996

[lilac locust]

so

job market

[jaunty basalt]

kroger reject me

[rain patio]

Oh really?? Holy jesus

No wlb

[ivory stratus]

So I care about my life more than money lol

[jaunty basalt]

chinese thing

[lilac locust]

Awesome

[jaunty basalt]

chinese companies known for this

[lilac locust]

but like what’s the market like rn

[lilac locust]

Yes

[ivory stratus]

I would rather take a job with $100k tc working 9-5 5 days a week than $200k tc 996

I value my time way more than making that much money

Literally no time for video games, friends, leisure activities, gf

[lilac locust]

yes

but like job market rn how is it

[sonic coral]

Yep 100%

[rain patio]

Really? I would take 200k 996

[sonic coral]

But I do agree with @lilac locust if it’s your only offer you don’t really have a choice

[rain patio]

Do it for 1-2 years

Then move to different company

[runic wind]

Um
Have you ever done 9-9

[rain patio]

In other part time jobs yes

But not as a software engineer

So cant tell the difference

[runic wind]

And uh
You're okay with doing that for the rest of your life?

[rain patio]

I literally wrote 1-2 years...

[nocturne oriole]

im gonna make my own leetcode, but for cool people
Best Time to Pull and Push P

[rain patio]

I wouldnt mind doing it for 1-2 years as an entry level

[dire yarrow]

Will I be invited?

[compact obsidian]

i'd do 996 if they gave 250k in actual money

tiktok monopoly money + probably not gonna ipo soon

[tawdry skiff]

depends, how often do you want to push and pull p?

I do 6 day split

p,p,no,p,p,no

[compact obsidian]

🙂 👍

[serene fable]

How much more could you save with the 996 though if you're only working it for 2 years max?

[uncut umbra]

honestly, grinding for the better part of the last decade has worn me tf out

but also I'm a natural grinder who is totally willing and able to do 996 just to not get a return offer from amazon

[serene fable]

I'm a slacker at heart so I'd take a bit of a cut of tc for wlb in a heartbeat

[uncut umbra]

yeah but like this is 50% tc

relative to the other position

if it's 150k vs 180k or smth I'd take 955 every day of the week

but 100k isn't setting me up for the future as much as I would like

I'm just talking in general

I have not yet passed the oa lol

doordash oa and bloomberg second round is currently mia as well

[serene fable]

A big part of the question is how it looks on your resume, since it doesn't seem easy to keep the schedule up for longer than a few years

[uncut umbra]

maybe not anymore? I applied with a referral a couple of weeks ago

they could have filled up

[serene fable]

Also, the difference between 100k and 200k is big but it's worth noting how much more you'd actually save over annually

[errant gorge]

binarysearch.com is still gone

does anyone know what happened to it?

[hasty birch]

Likely shutting down by end of year

[uncut umbra]

doordash?

on what basis?

[lilac locust]

y tho

[errant gorge]

[hasty birch]

They don't want to maintain the site anymore

[thick grail]

does anyone know if the tiktok OA is automatic or after a resume screen?

[errant gorge]

it does make sense 😭

they have no ways of getting revenue

[lilac locust]

[errant gorge]

and they have to maintain compilers and stuff to run code on demand

shit is expensive

[lilac locust]

so is 87k base something I should just take

[slender apex]

Depends on where u r located

[cobalt siren]

What location?

[lilac locust]

my house

aka remote

[cobalt siren]

I guess if it’s ur only offer you’d have to take it as well haha

[slender apex]

Umm

Where do u live

[lilac locust]

my parents basement

[slender apex]

Ok

It shud be fine

[cobalt siren]

The best deal haha

[lilac locust]

i want to negotiate but they don’t for new grads

[cobalt siren]

Just out of curiosity tho what state of region

[lilac locust]

is the big resounding message

[lilac locust]

HCOL second tier

[cobalt siren]

What company is this?

[lilac locust]

gm

[slender apex]

General Motors?

[cobalt siren]

Damn they don’t scale

[lilac locust]

correct

[slender apex]

Wtf they rationing their new grads for

[cobalt siren]

For hcol

[slender apex]

Jesus

[lilac locust]

wdym

No

[lilac locust]

idk but it could be worse last year it was 64

65

[slender apex]

Damn

This is in the US?

[lilac locust]

yeah

The states

[slender apex]

God damn

[lilac locust]

tbf they’re all in LCOL-MCOL

[cobalt siren]

Like since they’re remote they don’t increase salary based on where u live?

[lilac locust]

No lol

so it depends on the luck of the draw

[surreal estuary]

take the offer and hope for something better

[slender apex]

U can always renege

[surreal estuary]

^

[lilac locust]

sounds like it

[slender apex]

In this economy nobody is going to judge u

Also its nice to have a safety

[lilac locust]

i rather not unless I have a really good reason lol

I applied through one of their sponsored competitions

[slender apex]

Six figure paycheck sounds like a p guy recent

Good

[lilac locust]

p guy recent what

p good reason u mean

[slender apex]

I meant to say a pretty good reason

Yeah my b my b

[lilac locust]

Yeah money is good

But is the market slowing down

[slender apex]

Probably going to add palantir and Microsoft

I’d say def palantir maybe Microsoft

Apple and Netflix getting dropped probs

[lilac locust]

MSFT is too old school

[slender apex]

I can lean either way

Google is solidified lol

[lilac locust]

Uber

[slender apex]

No space tech comps?

[lilac locust]

Elon musk

[autumn ridge]

Is this a meme or is it legit 996 for US employees? I know it is for non US

[lilac locust]

Adobe

are we talking about the future

Square

[slender apex]

Circle

[buoyant halo]

Splunk

[lilac locust]

I need money

@autumn ridge where 3 offer

[autumn ridge]

BB, Wells Fargo and ATT

[lilac locust]

All good

what’s BB again

and ATT is At&t

[west egret]

Blackberry

[lilac locust]

oh

oh

OH

Depends where and the money

Nothing

I’m just idiot

[autumn ridge]

lc contest?

[hasty birch]

Yup

[lilac locust]

wait what

[autumn ridge]

I'll report back gl soldiers

[lilac locust]

oh take BB then lol

[west egret]

I actually thought BB was blackberry during my first season lmao

[slender apex]

Lmaooo

[lilac locust]

Lol

“anyone with common sense”

I’m so tired

[reef kettle]

I like the implication that “Tesla community” and “anyone with common sense” are separate groups

[rain patio]

Lmaooooooo

[bold pier]

tell me solution to the lc hard after the contest, my brain gave up

[bold pier]

Cleverest solution is to realize brute force does not TLE and submit that!

[hasty birch]

Is it just me or did like 6000 people disappear from the contest leaderboard

Was around 23000 and is now 17000 ppl

Nvm, it's back to 23000

I too couldn't figure it out

[bold pier]

Who here has HRT offer? We got a question for you

[hasty birch]

Yeah they're pretty accurate

[bold pier]

I'm at 10k with 4 incorrect submission 🤣

Bruh same, I had exact same if conditions

[hasty birch]

Recognizing that it was sliding window was the easy part tbh

Couldn't get the actual implementation logic

Q1-3 were really easy tho

[last summit]

how is this second question a medium

the one-line bruteforce solution works lol

[hasty birch]

https://lcpredictor.herokuapp.com/contest/weekly-contest-315/ranking/1

Never

[bold pier]

Good offer? In this economy?

[lilac siren]

🥹

I just want an offer

[dire yarrow]

[rain patio]

How many applications?

[lilac siren]

over 300

I stopped doing stat for them several weeks ago

[vital meteor]

im at 700 applications still no offer

[fossil jewel]

any interviews?

700 is a crazy amount wtf

[hasty birch]

#2022_grad_process message

[lilac siren]

actually including many non-ng roles and duplicated roles of one company, like Apple

[night magnet]

We should have a data collection thingy

Nvm that’s basically process channel

Actually no this is different. If we collect: apps, OAs, final, offer counts that could be useful

[rain patio]

Huh how?

[distant rampart]

how do u guys find 300~700 companies.. i literally applied to every place i can find for new grad but it's like 200 ish

[rain patio]

Did u try any referral

[night magnet]

I applied to every single ng position available (~200) and some SWE1 stuff but not specifically ng (100)

[lone rapids]

For people who got tiktok phone, how many questions did u do in Oa

[hasty birch]

NG postings have completely dried up

[rain patio]

Go for entry level and level 1 roles

Ng posting has dried up for sure...

[night magnet]

I mean you can also hit the winter cycle but that’ll be mostly smaller companies I think

[hasty birch]

Joining a smaller company in January and applying to 2024 new grad roles w/experience on resume might be a viable move

[night magnet]

I mean it’s the only option for a lot of people

[hasty birch]

Most people would be content to stay at the company for a while

[vital meteor]

OW2 looks fun, been watching my fav OW streamer amouranth and i might pick it up

[hasty birch]

This server is just different lol

[night magnet]

Not at a low tc company tho

[hasty birch]

How low we talking?

Like lower than 100k?

[night magnet]

I mean that’s different for everyone

[hasty birch]

For the average person tho

[night magnet]

The average person or the avg person in this server

Bc those are also very diff

[hasty birch]

Former

[night magnet]

Prob like 40k in an MCOL

I think that’s sufficiently low where u have to hop

[rain patio]

40k wtf

[hasty birch]

That's below WITCH level bruh

[rain patio]

Minimum is prob 60k

Dont play lol

[night magnet]

Yes but the average person

Actually idk

[rain patio]

The average cs new grad pay is 70k

[night magnet]

Maybe ur right I really have no idea what the average person is

Oh ok

[rain patio]

Sounds like WITCH companies with 60k taking down the average

[teal jackal]

honestly job hop to SE2 will probably be my real redemption arc
too late for me to get somewhere amazing as a new grad

i think my chances at it are solidly over

[rain patio]

U have an offer?

[teal jackal]

nah

[rain patio]

How many applications?

[hasty birch]

Job hop is the move regardless

[teal jackal]

80 or so

[rain patio]

I really doubt people apply to 700... even a small company near you needs a web developer

[night magnet]

That’s my plan

I’m happy with my offer but I’m hopping in a year regardless

[teal jackal]

tbh i realized that amazon internship is a fluke for many people

[hasty birch]

Yup

[teal jackal]

i got lucky with getting into my amazon internship

[rain patio]

TC?

[night magnet]

140 MCOL

[rain patio]

Getting a job should be easy for u

[rain patio]

Whoa nice which area

[night magnet]

South

[teal jackal]

my plan is to start Full time work within a rotational program for the 3-6months of my career, join a full time team for like 6 months-1 year, and job hop after that

[rain patio]

Great 🙂

[teal jackal]

around the 1.5 year mark is when ill contemplate the big jump

[night magnet]

Ya that’s like the min for SWE2

That’s my plan also

[rain patio]

I might as well do the same

Sigh life so hard

[night magnet]

SWE2 at zon is cracked

I want that TC so bad

[rain patio]

Im kind of scared to start my first job. I dont know anything lolol

[hasty birch]

Yeah but then you'd have to work at zon

[night magnet]

I know 😞

[teal jackal]

SDE2 at amazon is pretty tuff i heard

they lure in with 300k-400k tc for a reason

[hasty birch]

Wonder if jumping to a quant is possible after a year even with a smaller company on resume

[night magnet]

But major accelerator for career advancement

From what I’ve heard

[night magnet]

Doubt you’d get interviews but idk

[hasty birch]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking, too selective with screening

Would need to jump to FAANG first

[night magnet]

I want to go to G in like 3-4 yrs then interview at quant

[rain patio]

Why does everyone like quant so much

[night magnet]

It’ll be a nice challenge to prep for quant interviews even if I don’t get it

[rain patio]

Cuz of tc?

[night magnet]

Professional bag chaser

[hasty birch]

TC and location

[night magnet]

TC + it’s a nice challenge being surrounded by the smartest people in the world

It seems so cool

[hasty birch]

Professional liar as well, said I wanted to work at liberty mutual for 10+ years on their workplace assessment

[rain patio]

LOL no way they bought into that statement

???: this kid is lying right in my face

[teal jackal]

u got an offeR?

congrats?

where?

[austere grove]

Quant chasers -> 🤓

[austere grove]

It’s very easy to get interveiws from quant places if you have name brand companies

They typically interveiw people with faang

[austere grove]

Quant is probably worse, heads up (quant swe are just smarter)

[teal jackal]

Isn't quant just hella hard to survive the interview process

[cobalt siren]

lol which company

idk why the day before I get lazy before an interview

[dense cloud]

for those with bloomberg interviews how many phone rounds did yall do

i have heard different numbers

my recruiter told me 3 rounds but some people said 1/2 etc

[cobalt siren]

my process was 1 phone round -> vo -> em

with vo consisting of 2 tech interviews and one short hr interview

[dense cloud]

when did ur process start?

im wondering if they increased throughout the cycle or its perf dependent or my recruiter just hates me

[cobalt siren]

no clue, did my phone very early september lol it's been a long process

[small mountain]

wish i reach a point where i get an offer i want and am able to put my boots up and be stress free

[rain patio]

@teal jackal CAPO

[teal jackal]

omg same bestie

[uncut umbra]

the only thing keeping me going is the knowledge that hopefully in the future I can do that

hopefully closer in the future than the worst case scenario

[small mountain]

onwards and upwards comrades 🫡

[timber rock]

🫡

[teal jackal]

🫡

[uncut umbra]

lmao epic systems requires you use examity and examity extensions to take their assessments

that's the one that breaks all the time and has tons of privacy concerns

I really don't want to take it lmao

[jaunty basalt]

yeah its pretty bad

really wanted to take a dump during that OA

it was pretty long

thing is though, at least for the coding part they dont have a real IDE, its just a wack notepad cuz they have a grader

[late kestrel]

epics oa is by far the worst. like its not even close

[uncut umbra]

the privacy policy literally says they can collect your driver's license info and financial info with our without security code

absolutely fucking not

if the epic people reach out as they have been, I will take an assessment that isn't through this shitty service

[jaunty basalt]

they ran a background check before giving me an offer

[uncut umbra]

it's worse than hirevue? shudder

[uncut umbra]

yeah I read that this morning lmao

fuck epic systems

[jaunty basalt]

hirevue is bad but it works

its usually a you problem, sure they make it more tedious when they have a wack input and u spend a lot of time parsing it

but its a you problem

so yeah epics oa platform is worse

cant even run the code cuz its a notepad

[uncut umbra]

fun

[jaunty basalt]

though it didnt trigger me as much as this other platform, i forget the name

[uncut umbra]

glad I chose to dip out

[jaunty basalt]

gaslighted me

said i got the answer wrong

i casted the output to every type that I could

got a 0 and still got an interview

[uncut umbra]

damn imagine making a good oa

honestly the best platform is hackerrank

[jaunty basalt]

normally youd be sad after bombing right, yeah no i was laughing

[jaunty basalt]

the goat

[uncut umbra]

codility has bullshit test cases, hirevue is not optimized for the user, and everything else just has no support

[jaunty basalt]

no new "features"

[uncut umbra]

me after taking one of the stubhub codilities and getting 1 incorrect test case for literally no reason, I spent 15 minutes checking my code after it passed their local tests

[jaunty basalt]

i think i only did one codility as an OA

like i used it for the msft onsite but like thats different

pretty sure i failed that codility OA

tf theres multiple?

[uncut umbra]

I applied to 5 positions

[jaunty basalt]

oh

[uncut umbra]

so I did 5 codilities lmao

[jaunty basalt]

i think the only company i ever applied to with multiple coding OAs is circle

it was GCA and then a java one, i just let the java one expire

bad on my part for not knowing they were java shop

[late kestrel]

oh yeah its on another level. mental math portion, shitty mcqs, and the coding section is just so shit

[jaunty basalt]

one of the mental math problems was hilarious

cant leak but iykyk, the fruit one

[uncut umbra]

bless the lord, so glad I'm not doing that

I'm doing my akuna one instead lmao

[uncut umbra]

had mental math for my radix trading recruiter call lmao

[late kestrel]

i also remember a brain teaser question where you had to write a paragraph about the solution

[uncut umbra]

thank god I've been doing that shit since I was a kid I would have gotten floored otherwise

[teal jackal]

cisco oa is a distant second i presume

im probably not gonna bother apply to epic systems

seems annoying

honestly, i think im just mistrustful of any company that was hellbent on RTO during covid

[errant gorge]

It took a lot of will power for me to finish epic’s oa

Lmao

[uncut umbra]

cisco was fine?

[small mountain]

wait.. am i reading this right...? you got 0 on the oa and passed?

[signal ore]

Is a Privacy Engineering role at Apple worth doing?

[chilly burrow]

Compared to what?

[signal ore]

SWE at JPMorgan

I’m worried that not starting with SWE will limit my career options but it’s also Apple

[timber rock]

it's giving you hope for expedia? lol

[small mountain]

you didnt have to to there mate

[teal jackal]

i thought it was kinda garbo

the sign in system

[timber rock]

[small mountain]

(yes(no(yes)))

[timber rock]

don't worry I'll refer you next year

[small mountain]

the sauce

my man

[timber rock]

[bronze nymph]

idk what privacy engineering entails, but as long as it's still coding focused i don't see a problem

[jaunty basalt]

ur english is good

[loud stump]

does anyone know what D.E. Shaw pays new grads?

[night magnet]

Fr

An Epic eng said that only 3-4% of ppl get past OA to final

But I think that’s cap bc me and my friend both got past OA and we did bad

[night magnet]

My friend got an offer for 250 but that was 2 yrs ago

[night magnet]

TC?

[autumn ridge]

I had recruiter call but failed the OA. I gave up half way through and just started guessing aint nobody got time for 2.5 hour OA especially for Epic.

[late kestrel]

thats probably pretty accurate. pretty sure thats the number for most companies and their initial tech screening round, whether it be a phone or oa

pretty sure last year someone posted an article that with a data size of 100, only 4 people passed the bb phone

[night magnet]

But epic has a phone before an OA so maybe it’s diff? Idk

[onyx axle]

Does anyone’s tiktok application portal show “interviewing”? i was waiting for an Oa after evaluation passed status and it changed to interviewing but no email yet

[night magnet]

That’s crazy

[night magnet]

I passed the OA and scheduled a final interview for interview practice but then cancelled at the last minute 😊

Too much work

[jaunty basalt]

The final isn’t a real interview

[night magnet]

Wdym

[jaunty basalt]

Dude didn’t share screen and was talking about something the whole time

Didn’t matter cuz I got offer

[night magnet]

Any behavioral or LC?

[jaunty basalt]

It’s behavioral and “something” they make u sign away

[jaunty basalt]

Nice save

[night magnet]

The product demonstration?

[jaunty basalt]

No the problem itself

It’s not LC

It’s a discussion

[night magnet]

Oh ok

Probably on LC discuss

[jaunty basalt]

If you want a product demonstration you can just go to the doctor

Most hospitals use their software

[night magnet]

I’ve used their software before

[jaunty basalt]

It’s not a secret, the data is but like the app

[night magnet]

I was premed up until last year

So I worked in a clinic and stuff

[jaunty basalt]

Very nice

Why’d u switch

[night magnet]

Every doctor I’ve talked to said not to do medicine

[jaunty basalt]

What

[night magnet]

Both my parents are doctors and they told me not to do it

And all my family friends

[jaunty basalt]

They’ve only started telling you that recently?

[late kestrel]

tech phone or behav phone

[jaunty basalt]

It’s behavioral

[late kestrel]

🤷‍♂️ probs dont fail too many ppl after it then

[cobalt siren]

so bloomberg em just be familiar with own projects and then maybe study some system design?

[formal fable]

Not systems as much as OOD

Has anyone heard back from Tiktok or Pinterest after their OA?

[signal ore]

I wouldn’t be coding, but I would be working with other software developer teams

[late kestrel]

nah. em round theyre more likely to ask some sort of sys design over another ood question. either could happen, but sys design is more common

[cobalt siren]

did you get sys design?

[late kestrel]

no

only 30m behav

[cobalt siren]

damn mines 1hr

[late kestrel]

mine was scheduled for 45m but he was like "i only do 30m for these so thats what we're gonna do"

[cobalt siren]

gotcha hopefully mine won't be an hour lol

[west egret]

Did you get asked specifically about a personal project or did they make it open ended? I’d rather talk about intern project because my personal ones are pretty small scale.

[fossil jewel]

good luck!

[late kestrel]

personally i got asked essentially a little about every project/internship on my resume

what i learned doing each one, what i woulda done different

and the differences between working at a big company vs small company on my two internships

kinda the big questions there

[west egret]

My personal projects are mostly ones I did for memes lol

[late kestrel]

mine are finance/market related so that probably helped lmao

[west egret]

I can talk about one of them and my intern project in terms of what I learned

The other one is just a dumb discord bot I made to troll my friends

[late kestrel]

just spin it to sound more useful lol

[west egret]

I guess lol

[sonic coral]

Dogecoin was started as a meme

[night magnet]

Ya there have been a couple of changes in physician reimbursement structure + ability to start private practice that make it a lot less attractive to be a doctor

(This basically means more doctors are wage slaves than their own bosses)

[autumn ridge]

How are people that have been grinding for jobs holding up in their classes? I'm getting demolished and need to turn it around to pass

[late kestrel]

i ignored my classes until like 2 weeks ago, so yeah also playing catch up

luckily this semester is relatively light so its not horrible

[thick shell]

Catching up as well, failing financial management 2 cause I’ve been focused in recruiting instead of the class. Just hoping to pull a D

[uncut umbra]

jealous, you should die in your classes every week

[forest ice]

Is tiktok OA proctored?

[tawdry skiff]

webcam required

[jaunty basalt]

thats pretty toxic

[tawdry skiff]

I rec not leaving to take a shit if you want to pass the oa

[jaunty basalt]

goated advice

[bronze nymph]

i wouldn’t do it then

[forest ice]

Microphone too?

[tawdry skiff]

Maybe I don't remember

[forest ice]

okay thanks

[tawdry skiff]

If it was, they heard some fat shits

[autumn ridge]

My man is scheming

[fossil jewel]

literally a whole month behind on my notes for lots of my classes

and my whole semester is proj/assignment based, no exams

[timber rock]

I only got 8 hours of classes a week and I'm somehow 2-3 weeks behind on almost all my classes

[autumn ridge]

Yeah I’m getting stomped by linear algebra and 400 level algorithms

[small mountain]

thats standard affairs

[timber rock]

I just chill until I get a coursework and then spend 3 days cramming everything lol

[fossil jewel]

and im taking some interesting classes so im kinda like damn

[autumn ridge]

I just need D’s but like i went into it with that mindset and now I’m way behind lol

[timber rock]

I say as I'm currently in the library at 8pm working on a cw due tomorrow

[fossil jewel]

kinda wanna end this undergrad with good grades just for my self-esteem

[forest ice]

Just wanted to see if taking the OC from a library is possible or not

[small mountain]

whats the assignment?

[autumn ridge]

Mhm likely explanation lol

[timber rock]

a bunch of proofs and derivations and theory questions about blockchains

and analyzing a contract in solidity

[twilit wasp]

hey at least you have ETH xD

[timber rock]

yeah they made me rich for this cw

not sure i can sell these for much though

[twilit wasp]

i thought you start with 10 ?

[timber rock]

yeah but you have to perform transactions and stuff as part of the cw

[twilit wasp]

you gave 0.0003 ? haha

[timber rock]

lol

its gas fees

i sent 1 and received 1

and also got charged for about 15 failed transactions cause im stupid

[west egret]

Wondering if I should even do TikTok OA. I doubt I’d pass it.

2 h long too

Workday

It’s a return offer. Technically don’t have the offer letter yet.

Manager emailed me saying it got approved and he wanted me to know ahead of time.

[uncut umbra]

5 classes plus recruiting is HELLLL

and I'm dumb

[dense seal]

what topic(s) to expect in palantir karat?

[night magnet]

It’s hard

I quit halfway thru

[lilac locust]

[small mountain]

u and me both mate

[tame folio]

is this for quant research?

[dense cloud]

whats the possibility of passing palantir hr call at this point

my friend who passed VO last year got rejected at hr call this year like what

[teal jackal]

wait wtf

im scared of my palantir hr call

what do they ask on the HR call?

i doubt that would have changed within the span of a month

so yeah ill just make sure my behavioral stories are good

[thorny crown]

just do your best

the odds or whatever shouldn't chagne your approach

i know it's stressful but in the end all you can control is how you do on your end, and then they'll blackbox it into an offer or not, but that's out of your hands

[pure mauve]

Bruh even w ref I’m not getting TikTok OA

[foggy perch]

on the brightside if you don't get it, apparently tiktok wlb is rough

[pure mauve]

Yeah lmao

[dense cloud]

i think its heavily team dependent tbh

[static moth]

last year i got their OA 8 times. got annoyed to the point where i blocked their automated university talent email during the 6th time they sent it

still managed to send me 1-2 more oas

screw that shitty company fr

[small mountain]

good reminder for some of us here (me)

[foggy perch]

you can technically say this for literally every company

thus just go by averages

[lilac narwhal]

How long does it take to hear back from HR call from palantir?. My timeline was like OA -> karat -> hr.

And do people get rejected in between HR and On-site?

[sonic coral]

Most massive companies are team dependent

[twilit wasp]

i thought it was phone call -> karat -> Onsite -> HR?

[lilac narwhal]

I spoke with an HR/ non tech person after my karat round. I guess that would be a phone screen then?

[twilit wasp]

maybe, im not sure

[lilac narwhal]

Thats fair. Thanks!

[faint flame]

will job market be good next year?

[solemn crag]

Bloomberg

[vital meteor]

yes, my friends uncle works for the job market industry and he says it will improve

[sonic coral]

https://tenor.com/view/jobies-funny-itsalwayssunnyinphiladelphia-bitter-unemployed-gif-4766778

[dire ore]

IMF said stuff is gonna get worse

So I doubt it

[forest jetty]

anyone have an in person interview with John Hancock?

[hushed ember]

Can someone forward that vercel app link containing company wise leetcode questions

??

[rain patio]

Expected TC for Tesla New Grad?

[winter loom]

Isn’t he a founding father

[nocturne oriole]

yeah he hiring now

he said he gonna save the country

[runic wind]

Are you questioning their uncle's word

[chilly burrow]

https://leetcode-company-tagged.vercel.app/

[dire ore]

International Monetary Fund

[austere grove]

Doubt it

[nocturne oriole]

Armchair economist

[austere grove]

I can say with decent certainty it will be at least as bad next year

[nocturne oriole]

Lol prob right tho

[austere grove]

Yeah unless you think inflation will go away in 3 months

It will be at least as bad

[nocturne oriole]

idk, this market has been so shit i cant see it getting worse for new grads

[austere grove]

Maybe if fang unfreezes

[nocturne oriole]

By time aug 2023 rolls around for next recruiting season who knows

God damn dude recessions suck

[visual zephyr]

is it best to sort by freq ?

[chilly burrow]

yes

[visual zephyr]

how recent is it tho? like does it take in account to older hiring seasons or is it this curr onee

or comibination

[chilly burrow]

says it on the homepage

if you like i can update it

[visual zephyr]

oh my bad

so its from aug -06-2022 to current date?

or from lc creeation to that date

damn u made it? nice job

[chilly burrow]

the list was updated at that date

[chilly burrow]

i am not affiliated wit dat site

[lilac locust]

How bad is it for new grads

[nocturne oriole]

The worst since obama became president

[tawdry skiff]

THANKS OBAMA

[rain patio]

Dude... after 1-2 quarters the economy will go back to what it was

And think about how bad it is for other industry if u think tech is bad

Yes and the companies will still recruit

As long as these companies make money, im sure it will come back to what it was soon. I dont believe this will go on for years.

Honestly we can all find jobs. We just want a "good paying" job over 150k+

[nocturne oriole]

Worst case scenario the 23 grads will have it rough. I’m with u that 2024 will be prob better

[small mountain]

whens it dropping

i need to read advice expeditiously

[nocturne oriole]

Big words for a little man

[small mountain]

dont do me like this

[dim osprey]

Hey did you do it

i got it today

[jaunty basalt]

even when not paused i couldnt with my other offers

but it doesnt hurt to ask

[quartz vale]

How long is citadel cooling period?

After failing Interview

[sudden lily]

tesla ng

[lilac locust]

How can I read this

[pure plank]

Any advice or suggestion for Bloomberg VO? I am doing Top 100 BB list.

Anything else would help beside this?

[late kestrel]

nope do that

[pure plank]

Okay Cool. Thanks

[teal jackal]

i wonder how competitive the job hop scene will be

in around 2024-2025

i wonder if job hop promotions to SE2 will be really competitive with people who want a do-over of new grad

[lilac locust]

[teal jackal]

ive pretty much accepted that i wasted my chances at being a career tryhard as a new grad

i pranked myself by trusting the process and trying to coast through college and career, being complacent with "good enough", instead of taking initiative to chase what I 100% want

[fossil jewel]

didnt you have a zon internship? which barring any recession that none of us have foreseen was one of the desired internships?

i dont mean to press, but i do think you're being really tough on yourself

none of us knew this market would get this messed up

[teal jackal]

ion got it anymore

but tbh not sure what happened at zon that screwed me out of the return

[fossil jewel]

do you know if every other intern got the returns? honestly it could've been shit outside of your control which honestly really sucks

[lilac locust]

What’s wrong

[teal jackal]

i think a lot of people noticed that it wasnt uncommon to meet people who didnt get a return this year

tbh i kinda wish i was a better personality match for amazon

if it wasnt for the market, i probably would be like "nah fuck amazon ion even want em"

[fossil jewel]

yeah it's a rough market

[teal jackal]

but tbh yeah i couldnt have known how arbitrary and high the bar is now, but i still regret just letting my guard down

[fossil jewel]

i feel like we all did except the cracked kids but some are probably struggling too

[west egret]

Top 100 seems excessive tbh. I think top 30 should be fine.

[pure plank]

Ohh Okay..

[west egret]

Unless you have tons of time. Then by all means go for it. But I think it’s more important to focus on the patterns within top 20-30

[fossil jewel]

first interview wasnt tagged

second one had tags but they werent even frequent

[forest aspen]

job opportunities for you guys as backups or even first jobs:

your city prolly has a lot of jobs open, i checked mine, and my county and greater city has jobs starting 80k - 120k and higher, i imaigne its not hard to get into and cities give good benefits usually

just looking at the postings, i guarantee the hiring dept has no idea what theyre talking about because they just ue a ton of keywords

cant interpret if thats a good or bad thing tho lol

[next pebble]

Is anyone on the wells fargo waitlist lol, they said my top two location choices (NYC & Bay Area) are full which is weird because I thought they have a HQ and a ton of offices in the Bay Area

[autumn ridge]

I don't feel particularly cracked and had to put in a ridiculous amount of hours to be able to keep up at Snap. I worked 60-80 hours a week during my internship. Not worth it in hindsight bc no return offers lol

[rain patio]

Bro

Just what are you looking for in tc

Every god dam company is looking for engineers right now

[fossil jewel]

i remember everyone going crazy for snap with their crazy pay, sucks that this was your experience, but at least it gave you realization into what you want out of a company

[teal jackal]

recession be like: allow us to introduce ourselves

[fossil jewel]

issue is that number of engineers (qualified and unqualified) is greater than the number of companies

[rain patio]

Yea with his amazon internship he's obviously looking for very high tc...

[teal jackal]

110k base salary for me to relax for once, 150k TC for me to take a break from grinding and go on eye detox mode for around 2 weeks(2 weeks with no electronics and just mother nature), 180k TC and i'll buy dinner for some friends on my dime

[fossil jewel]

in the past he did mention being happy with 110k

[rain patio]

I wish i had 110k tc

And i would be happy 😦

[teal jackal]

tbh im most looking forward to the 150k tc goal(detox my eyes and brain from electronics for around 2 weeks or so)

at least 2 weeks

[fossil jewel]

you got this

[teal jackal]

if i reach 150k tc as a new grad i genuinely wont have the power of will to try for the rest of the season

[rain patio]

Yea u got it stop being hard on yourself

Look at others who get below 100k...

[fossil jewel]

it doesnt mean they're miserable

they could be perfectly content with what they got

[teal jackal]

if i can reach 150k tc before winter break, i will be spending all winter break with no computer and no internet

[crude saffron]

Lol

I have an offer

[gentle trench]

when did you apply?

[crude saffron]

Yday

[gentle trench]

crazy

[nocturne oriole]

If u pass HC that’s offer

U got da letter

Why are u overthinking it

[glass kraken]

i think the whole TC minmax community is just toxic, even people who make way more than they need end up comparing themselves to others and still feeling awful

[nocturne oriole]

i always thought the whole “pass HC but no project and rescinded offer” is a TINY group

The claim ur tryna put is that google is especially likely to rescind an offer tho. That’s just not true. The WHOLE market is fucked

Recruiters can be dumbasses bro

[crude saffron]

The recruiter told me passing HC is offer

[nocturne oriole]

My recruiter told me on phone “yeah just take the meta offer and if u pass our interview then rescind meta”

[teal jackal]

not true, i still think it matters to me tbh

i respect your sentiment

but i personally genuinely believe in my goal

[nocturne oriole]

I have never heard a single other person in my life say “i passed HC but it’s not an offer” for google

[autumn ridge]

I have never worked their but I thought G offer was always dependent on team match after passing HC?

[nocturne oriole]

Dunga u always make waves when u show up tho

[crude saffron]

Is 1 week enough time to finish lc?

[alpine path]

Hey this is Matthew Mercado. Nate lets discuss this offline @rain patio

[surreal estuary]

from what i heard, returning interns have been getting pa matches

[crude saffron]

You only need to do like 100 a day right?

[surreal estuary]

they're prioritized over new grad apps tho

[nocturne oriole]

Like dunga if ur tryna tell people “yeah ur offer can get rescinded” then tbh that’s valid

[normal palm]

damn you go to uc berk!

[nocturne oriole]

But ur saying it’s not even an offer

[glass kraken]

what is not true ? i think if you legitimately grind for yourself and not for some sort of validation, that's cool - but i just know a lot of people (me being one of them) who don't need the money but burn out grinding bcuz others make so much more

[crude saffron]

@rain patio I’m in berk rn

The campus is depressing

[normal palm]

howw

[nocturne oriole]

No im trying to steelman ur argument

[crude saffron]

I’m on vacation

[nocturne oriole]

Im trying to help you

[crude saffron]

Visiting friends

[normal palm]

people here are over powered omg

and faang

[crude saffron]

I asked my friends what they did on a sat night and they said research and hw

[teal jackal]

yeah thats true, i think that these kinds of comparisons about TC harm peoples self esteem even though these people wouldnt have ever cared about TC

[crude saffron]

Ok sellout

[normal palm]

breh everyone had a reading week for studying and i'm here as an engineering student studying for midterms while absorbing more content

[surreal estuary]

i passed HC for new grad 2022, got clapped by hiring freeze

[tawdry skiff]

same

[rain patio]

Uh cant be helped... tc minmax community 🙂

[tawdry skiff]

but not meta offer since I'm not cracked like kirb

kirb350 when

[nocturne oriole]

So are u in limbo rn?

[normal palm]

how difficult was it to get it? i presume you were an A+ student

[nocturne oriole]

Purgatory

[surreal estuary]

basically

recruiter let me restart team matching/pa match for new grad 2023 but has no idea when movement will be made

[glass kraken]

wut

[tawdry skiff]

prof makes up some of it through NSF grnats

[late kestrel]

dudes gotta have the most confident yet worst takes

[crude saffron]

I have respect for people who do research over selling out

[nocturne oriole]

I didnt get google offer dont worry. I got follow up round and blew it

[crude saffron]

I’m too dumb to do research

[tawdry skiff]

but they make more money through being a industry researcher

[normal palm]

private school?

[crude saffron]

Respectable

[normal palm]

im considering grad vs amazon return

[glass kraken]

how good do u think it makes ppl feel when someone types !process jane street tc 800k new grad btw

[tawdry skiff]

I'll probably keep failing

[crude saffron]

It’s hard to turn them down…

[normal palm]

is uc berk grad school difficult to get into

[tawdry skiff]

one day I'll get in to rest and vest

one day

[normal palm]

or should i go to faang

[tawdry skiff]

one day

I can dream

like me being mod

[crude saffron]

Your life is some n dimensional vector you’re trying to optimize, and having js just completely eliminated the financial stability component

[tawdry skiff]

some school dropped GRE for science programs

[crude saffron]

Effectively reducing your dimensionality by 1

[tawdry skiff]

not MBA

[normal palm]

without papers?

[tawdry skiff]

still need to take GRE for MBA

[normal palm]

pretty much all the big ones

[rain patio]

I feel like shit

[nocturne oriole]

@tawdry skiff i came a long way, the new grad season last year was when i learned to lc, i got amazon/redfin/meta/expedia/vmware
And failed
Netflix/asana/brex/pure storage/pin/msft/goog/flatiron health/affirm/etc

[rain patio]

My tc is only 90k