2023_grads

[wheat seal]

coinbase did layoffs

gross profit was horrible

same with sales growth

they had no gameplan

only thing they could do was layoff

coinbase is luxury as well

even tho a market leader

[teal jackal]

Tech bubble ending

A lot of companies coasting off inflated values despite not having a solid or meaningful long term plan, or not really turning out sustainable profits

[peak ferry]

coinbase is a meme

crypto is a meme

[teal jackal]

This tbh

[shrewd ocean]

its rlly just like high growth startups and like crypto/web3 area

[teal jackal]

Coinbase falling apart is part of the whole thing with the tech bubble facing its inevitable correction

[fossil jewel]

i wouldnt say its ending per se, more so "stabilizing" since lots of shit was overvalued

[teal jackal]

Man fuck my luck though

[fossil jewel]

seeing how crazy high some TC's were last year, it had to tone off at some point i believe

[teal jackal]

Had to graduate in. An awful economy

[wheat seal]

twilio also had to do layoffs because they overhired even tho and their growth is extremely slow rn even tho good but not enough for 8-10k ppl https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/twlo/financials/income/quarter

[peak ferry]

I mean it’s literally the same/higher rn just less hiring

[shrewd ocean]

i mean tc is just directly correlated to how much value someone brings to company

[teal jackal]

Last year was WILD, 150k was below average for those who were working hard and putting effort into the search

[shrewd ocean]

swes bring in a ton of value which is why tc is high

[peak ferry]

TC? lol

[teal jackal]

Yeag

[wheat seal]

150k where tho?

[peak ferry]

yea ight fair

[shrewd ocean]

i mean itd still be the same just less companies hring rn

[ivory stratus]

you didnt have to put in effort to search last year lol

literally last year was a hiring spree

people had so many offers at this point last year

[teal jackal]

Yeah 2022 grads entered a wild economy

[wheat seal]

its still hella early, theres visa coming out, along with afresh soon

maybe not faang like companies

[ivory stratus]

im just hoping this ends up good for us in the long run though

like

[teal jackal]

Already late if you want a big N company

[shrewd ocean]

well less companies and less hc in general

[ivory stratus]

hopefully jobs will open up for new grads next year that we can grab too lol

[peak ferry]

But lots of big tech is frozen so objectively a lot less hiring

[ivory stratus]

or for 2024

[wheat seal]

yea that is true

[shrewd ocean]

next yr might b worse lol

[teal jackal]

Honestly willing to renege on a job I already started if I can lump myself into with a new grad search do-over

[ivory stratus]

i feel bad for new grad then

[calm blade]

I think 2023 will be a boom

[wheat seal]

i think it has a high chance of being better

companies rn are just scared

[shrewd ocean]

ye which is wy i said might

[wheat seal]

they dont know what could happen

[calm blade]

recession will prolly calm down then lol

[fossil jewel]

yeah there's some growth that has to match but its not going as crazy as it has in the past

[shrewd ocean]

cant predict economy tho

[ivory stratus]

like imagine all these freezes happening and it opening up and our grad class still being eligible for new grad roles

[calm blade]

last two years have been no bueno

[teal jackal]

If the economy really does become a lot better mid 2023, I'm gonna start applying to jobs again

[ivory stratus]

like why tf is expedia and all these other c tier companies asking hard dp questions lmao

[teal jackal]

And probably renege my offer

[ivory stratus]

who do you ahve right now?

[peak ferry]

nah it’s still low key popping, I got like +10% before I started for whatever reason

[fossil jewel]

cant center divs if you cant do dp hard

[teal jackal]

I do not have an offer rn, but if I did by the time the economy picks up before i graduate, I renege

If my offer is non-big n

[peak ferry]

My uninformed guess is hard times here, 2yr till economy is humming again

[dusky plover]

its like midnight

and u mfs here dooming

[teal jackal]

I think a second dotcom bubble was coming

[ivory stratus]

yeah theres no reason to worry for us

like for real

no matter what we will always have good jobs

[teal jackal]

Tbh I know I'll have food to eat

It's more about self esteem

I'm tired of feeling like I'm always 2 years behind my friends

[wheat seal]

i can only imagine how english majors or art history must feel during recession

[teal jackal]

Yes, career = self worth to me

[ivory stratus]

lol trust me

im 27 and just graduating college in spring

[fossil jewel]

i mean honestly the csmajors sub and this server have skewed one's perspective

[ivory stratus]

all my peers are years into their careers

[hasty birch]

If I'm able to get an offer to start in January 2023 that'd be ideal. Can hop after a year and a half and still get into NG 2024 pipeline for some companies. Ofc I can also hop to non new grad roles

[fossil jewel]

https://reddit.com/r/csMajors/comments/y2y9s7/my_life_was_better_before_i_found_this_sub/

this post

[shrewd ocean]

what u do from 21-27

[teal jackal]

Salty 23 grads who were unhappy with their outcome gonna clog up 24 grads

[ivory stratus]

clarinet player for marine corps from 20-24

been in college since i was

24?

[teal jackal]

Man clarinet in the marines really builds character

Thats cool stuff

[fossil jewel]

like i was mad i didnt get bbg but at least having a return offer that gives 110k is a nice safety net

[ivory stratus]

i was stationed in Japan for 2 years then virginia for 1 year

other time was spent in cali for training and virginia

japan is super fun

[fossil jewel]

its still higher than min wage

[ivory stratus]

such a good time

yeah i loved it

[peak ferry]

This is why human brains are shit

[ivory stratus]

started scuba diving in okinawa

got my open water and advanced

then got my rescue in virginia

[peak ferry]

Literally living a good life but if someone is living MAYBE a better life we feel bad

[ivory stratus]

thought i wanted to do marine biology lol

[peak ferry]

it’s awful

[fossil jewel]

comparison is the thief of joy

[ivory stratus]

yeah they have a whale shark in there

[ivory stratus]

dude i wish i learned this earlier in life ngl

like my early 20s was all comparing myself with my high school peers

where they were all graduating and getting married and crap

[peak ferry]

tfw u don’t even know if their life is better all u know is bigger number

[ivory stratus]

and im 27 and just now graduating college

[wheat seal]

u watched anime there?

[ivory stratus]

but i wouldnt have it any other way

[teal jackal]

Tbh I realize that I don't really like or agree with the sentiment of "you shouldn't worry you should just go at your own pace"

Mainly because I'm tired of always being the slowest of the pack among the tryhard circles I know

[wheat seal]

detective conan is all over the place right

[ivory stratus]

attack on titan lol that's about it

[peak ferry]

But congrats bro

[ivory stratus]

only kind of haha

[wheat seal]

military paid for ur college?

[ivory stratus]

marine corps musicians had to do a lot too. during iraq and afghanistan wars, they got deployed

bro for real lol

[peak ferry]

I’m not gonna tell u ur wrong I’m just saying from my POV that perspective would be good for me

[teal jackal]

Yeah

I think it's perfectly okay to know there's more than life to money

But I care too much about money

I have not much else going for me in life

[ivory stratus]

i mean you have to to a certain extent

money doesnt buy happiness just comfortability

nahhhhhh fam lol

[wheat seal]

i think its the same way as saying "you'll find the right one eventually". Like I dont like either phrase. U should strive to do better each day

and get what u need, no emotions involved

[ivory stratus]

i wish our country was more like france actually

[teal jackal]

That was apparently scary

[ivory stratus]

their people just riots whenever they want something

[peak ferry]

I mean same which is the problem right?

Getting more money when that’s not even the issue isn’t gonna make me happier

[ivory stratus]

yeah but we stop after a certain amount of time lol

yeah

[teal jackal]

We tried lmao, went nowhere lol

[ivory stratus]

but that's both the extreme sides

it sucks cause social media and the internet explosion caused a lot of extremist sides

[teal jackal]

Both sides rioted hard and fucked shit up within the span of 2020-2021

And they both accomplished jack shit

[ivory stratus]

i was in seattle when the blm riots were going on

my gf lives close to u district and all of the u district shops were boarded up and national guard was everywhere

it was wild

couldnt even go to get dicks burgers man

[peak ferry]

At some point I figured I’d be happy if I made more than (made up numbers) 50% of people and now I make more than 75% of people and I’m still not happy. So I figure that will never make me happy

[nocturne oriole]

Here to say average right wing extremist fucks shit up and is a waste of a human, whereas left wing extremist in america just posts on twitter

[peak ferry]

Hey didn’t they take some square in Seattle

[teal jackal]

Chaz Lol

That was funny

[ivory stratus]

yeah it was like the dmz or whatever lol

i dont remember where it was

[teal jackal]

Capitol hill

CHAZ

is the name

[ivory stratus]

that's what i thought but wasnt sure

[nocturne oriole]

Dumbest thing left wingers did was blm marches in height of covid. Playing life on hard mode

Hot take

[ivory stratus]

and that one podcast guy

joe rogan

whatever his name is lol

[teal jackal]

Honestly what tf even happened to covid during the protests

It's like covid stopped existing

[wheat seal]

ppl still went on vaca

i think most ppl in uni didnt care at all lol

[ivory stratus]

so did covid

most of the people were our age lol

they didnt give a crap

[teal jackal]

Nah I'd say there was a pretty big overlap between claiming "I care about covid" and still going to protests

[ivory stratus]

yeah this

[nocturne oriole]

The fact is there are no numbers that measured spread of disease with BLM marches. A lot of em say they were spread out + masked but the medical community condemned it

[wheat seal]

ye i mean it was bad tho like 2% died right?

2% of the world population?

[peak ferry]

Hot take: humans are brain dead as fuck and we a species deserve what’s coming to us

[wheat seal]

or something

[ivory stratus]

yeah

and people just didnt care about that

like the whole plandemic thing like wtf

[wheat seal]

actually it was 3.4% of world population

[ivory stratus]

is getting the expedia strengths assessment result a good thing?

[peak ferry]

I’ve given precisely 0fucks ever since the vacc was widely available lol

[teal jackal]

You care about covid because you pretend to care about protecting the community

I care about covid because I want it to last as long as possible so I can avoid social interactions I don't want to deal with

We are not the same

[ivory stratus]

yeah thats a metric shit ton of people

[nocturne oriole]

This is true but they still do more harm lol. Their rhetoric and control is on point. So much power and so many people

Absolute menaces in america

[peak ferry]

Hey I’m not a right wing extremist and I find that offensive

[teal jackal]

I jerk off to hentai in my basement and I'm offended that you compared me to a right winger

[wheat seal]

actually im wrong that was 3.4% of ppl who got covid worldwide ended up dying

but 0.0025 of the world population died to covid

[ivory stratus]

that's still a stupid big number

[wheat seal]

yea it is

[ivory stratus]

even this

[teal jackal]

I still do 😎

[ivory stratus]

like imagine being in NYC and .0025% of all the people around you just died

crazy

[teal jackal]

Honestly covid was legit shit

[ivory stratus]

yeah it sucked but was also great at the same time

[teal jackal]

I think the fear and attempts to curb it at the time were fully valid

[ivory stratus]

im surprised that there's still a lot of people wearing masks

[peak ferry]

for the record I never got Covid until my plague rat family brought it home

[teal jackal]

I still do lol but I do it for myself tbh

[ivory stratus]

dude i got covid right after i got my booster and spent christmas alone in my room

[teal jackal]

I like to block off my facial expressions in public

[ivory stratus]

fair enough

[teal jackal]

So I wear a mask

[ivory stratus]

i dont judge anyone that does

especially cause i get that there are people with older folks/immunocompromised people at home

[peak ferry]

I got Covid right before booster 2 came out and I don’t plan on getting it anymore cuz I got natures version right?

[teal jackal]

Old habits die hard for many

[peak ferry]

I only mask on planes idk why

[ivory stratus]

that's why my dad still drinks

[teal jackal]

I think it's like, for some, they're used to it now and think it's a good idea that they should keep doing

[peak ferry]

Oh and hospitals but that’s unrelated

[ivory stratus]

honestly it's funny that we havent worn masks before

[runic wind]

Chat is weirdly dark today

[ivory stratus]

like going to japan and seeing people where masks in public was so crazy to me

now it's like that everywhere

[wheat seal]

i saw a 90 yr old smoking a cigar and im like his lungs must be cyber lungs or somethin

[ivory stratus]

it's always dark

[ivory stratus]

it's like that 100+ year old woman who drinks dr. pepper

[wheat seal]

he had jet white hair

[teal jackal]

Dr pepper tastes gr8

My favorite

[runic wind]

Ok I rephrase
The density of basement dwelling hentai wankers is pretty high today

[ivory stratus]

she drinks like. 1 can a day i think

[teal jackal]

One of my favorites

[wheat seal]

smoothies taste so much better tho

[teal jackal]

Dr pepper tastes like the artificial cherries on sundaes tbh

Anyone else feel that way

[ivory stratus]

yeah exactly its delicious

[teal jackal]

I like i

100%

[buoyant fable]

dr pepper > almost any other soda

its not better than cactus cooler tho

[ivory stratus]

not gonna lie cherry coke does it for me

and squirt

[teal jackal]

Cherry coke is lit

Wtf is squirt lmao

[buoyant fable]

cherry flavored soda just makes sense

[ivory stratus]

it's that grapefruit soda

[buoyant fable]

squirt is like fanta no?

[ivory stratus]

it's so good dude

[teal jackal]

Never tried it b4

[ivory stratus]

oh and lemon coke in japan

and cc lemon

so good

[fallen fox]

is expedia oa auto? got resume rejected from their wayup application

[ivory stratus]

what did you put for grad date

[fallen fox]

december 2022

[ivory stratus]

reapply and put may 2023 lol

[teal jackal]

Have u guys heard of polar before? It's a soda/seltzer company from new England

[ivory stratus]

if you put december 2022 it's auto reject for some reason

[teal jackal]

I love their grapefruit soda

And their cream soda

And their orange soda

[ivory stratus]

bruuuuuh cream soda too

[teal jackal]

Polar is goated here

On god

[ivory stratus]

honestly my tops

cream soda, cherry coke, orange, grape, root beer

[teal jackal]

I'll probably really miss polar sodas if I ever leave new England

[buoyant fable]

i feel that apple cider is underrated as a carbonated beverage

[ivory stratus]

you have a point

especially that sparkling cider for new years

freaking SLAPS

[buoyant fable]

exactly

apple flavored soda just hits

[ivory stratus]

i could drink bottles of that honestly

[buoyant fable]

soda is so bad for you

i used to drink a ton of it

[ivory stratus]

yeah same lol

[buoyant fable]

now i try to only have like one glass a week if even

[ivory stratus]

i drank a lot during my time in the marine corps

like i would have a mountain dew once a day probs

playing cod bo4

now i only eat out once a week and that's usually my only soda for the week

[peak ferry]

holidays with boring family only beverage

[raven sluice]

I just drank one of these for the first time today in NYC. They have em here too

[teal jackal]

Wow mad healthy on god

[teal jackal]

Lit

[ivory stratus]

it helps to have a gf who holds you accountable lol

[peak ferry]

Do you meal prep or actually cook daily

[raven sluice]

They definitely heat but obviously yeah soda isnt the best vice to have

Far from the worst though lol

[ivory stratus]

i usually cook for both me and the gf

we usually have leftovers too

for lunch or dinner the next day

[peak ferry]

damn living good

[buoyant fable]

yall, joe biden is actually less than a mile away from me at this very moment

[peak ferry]

still solid

[peak ferry]

Tell him to fix inflation thanks

[ivory stratus]

watch out, CIA/SS is already on you

tell him more student loan forgiveness

[runic wind]

Ask him if he'd like to join cscd

[ivory stratus]

or dn

[buoyant fable]

ill bring up all of these great questions if i get the chance

[peak ferry]

Already a master of polispeak

That just means no

[ivory stratus]

"Mr. President would you join dn if given the chance?"

[fossil jewel]

ask him his TC

[ivory stratus]

450k

Not including lobbyists

[languid glacier]

Hey anyone here working at Amazon? Need a referral, strong at LC and DSA...kindly reach out.

[quaint zinc]

Yo

[timber rock]

@small mountain Expedia finally sent the hackerrank

Did u get it

[ivory stratus]

How long did it take?

After strengths based

[lone rapids]

Is tiktok oa pretty hard?

[timber rock]

16 days

Tacocat has been waiting 23 days

"The system is sensitive enough to gauge any web browser changes and automatically disqualifies candidates from the process in these instances"

Damn bruh

[twilit wasp]

for expedia?

[ivory stratus]

???

For what?

Hackerrank?

[timber rock]

Yeah

[timber rock]

Yep

Never seen it be that strict before

[ivory stratus]

Bro what

I totally switched to safari

During assessment

But didn’t look anything up

They didn’t even proctor though too and didn’t have a warning message pop up when I switched so I think it should be fine

[timber rock]

Usually they let you look up documentation and stuff

[ivory stratus]

Yeah I know

But like even when I changed tabs, it didn’t give me a warning or anything where other hackerrank assessments usually do if it’s proctored

So I think I should be fine

[timber rock]

We'll find out soon enough lol

[ivory stratus]

Yeah

I heard if they reject you though it’s pretty quick

[tepid delta]

for those who take amazon's oa recently, how long did it take to hear back

[small mountain]

ALAS I GOT IT

[tepid delta]

took mine on 5 oct but no response yet other than a feedback survey

uk btw

[timber rock]

Never doubted them for a second

[timber rock]

expedia hackerrank is proctored

no sneaky 2nd device googling for me

[twilit wasp]

major f

honestly idk why they make it like this, cause obv swe will still be googling stuff at work so ...

[timber rock]

yeah

it sucks in these proctored tests when i have the right solution but can't remember the name of a method im trying to use

[twilit wasp]

imo, live coding interviews are kinda bs because you are being tested on if you remember the stuff and if you can type fast, and that's usually when you forget stuff cause you are under pressure

[timber rock]

yep

[rain patio]

anyone here knows anyone that works at TikTok/ByteDance

or that has done one of their Online Assessments before on Hackerrank

[cobalt siren]

How does leetcode calculate frequency for tagged problems? Like is there a place to report what problem I got?

[dusky lark]

Yep you can mark company names in questions
There's an option that asks u whether you've seen the problem in an interview

[hushed ember]

Guys I got TikTok OA. How do I go about the preparation? I've done Blind 75 so far. Should I just revise them and do lc tagged ?

[elder hound]

How long does bloombergs offer letter take to expire?

[sour night]

I was given 3 weeks

[elder hound]

K thank you

[teal jackal]

fuck i have class now

i do not want to attend class when i have my own issues in life

such as unemployment

what do you ask the interviewer after the interview?
like questions to demonstrate curiousity

[late kestrel]

well what would you want to know about the job?

its where youre gonna be spending most of your time

[wary quest]

How was the OA? Which platform was used and can you share some of the questions asked?

[teal jackal]

i need examples of questions that are commonly acceptable

like nobody will count that against u for asking

[late kestrel]

tech stack, project examples, favorite part of the job

ask about the job, theyll never count against that

[teal jackal]

Thanks dude

I guess ask concrete questions

I won't ask subjective questions like culture

[late kestrel]

you totally can

[ebon quiver]

bruh thre is this tsartup

that im applying to

and they literally requre 15 essays

its like applying to college all over again.. and shits even longer than college apps

[foggy star]

Think we have the same recruiter, she should have handed you off to another person, check ur email

[teal jackal]

dodnt bother then lmao

unless tc > 300k

[sonic coral]

https://github.com/viraptor/reverse-interview

In a nutshell ask stuff you’re interested in or stuff that matters to you

[teal jackal]

thanks man

thanks for the advice guys

[ebon quiver]

ima just bs these essays. this do be so dumb though

so friggin dumb

[formal fable]

You got an offer?

Nice! New grad?

Cool. I haven't seen any mentions of real negotiations on new grad offers this year, cause you know the supple/demand.

[late kestrel]

plenty of ppl have, but seems like they dont move much on base and only increase target and add a signing bonus

[sonic coral]

That’s basically what prev years were like too

[formal fable]

Target as in?

[sonic coral]

Prob target bonus

[late kestrel]

target bonus

[formal fable]

Negotiations usually involve a competing offer. If you have one, that might make a difference. Else I don't see why they'd budge just because you asked.

[late kestrel]

yeah its the performance bonus

[dense cloud]

did u get behavioural or technical for hm round?

[dusky lark]

Behavioral mostly with an easy LC

[ebon quiver]

no new openings today 😦

[dusky lark]

Not really LC but easy coding

[sonic coral]

There have been people who managed to squeeze out an extra 5-10k from signon without competing

But without other offers you’re not prob going above that

[ebon quiver]

wait how ? like through the threat of masters or something xD

or like general speaking about other offers even tho none in hand

or u just dont tell how much the other offers are

[sonic coral]

Nah like just straight up asking for more money lol

[ebon quiver]

bruh

[sonic coral]

Like saying I’ll sign if you give me 5k more signon

[ebon quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-time-gif-25989017

[sonic coral]

I personally didn’t do this but I heard of people who did

[late kestrel]

depends on the recruiter. some ppl just say what companies theyre in the loop for and theyll tack on a signing bonus

some require a letter

[sonic coral]

Granted this was last year but I feel like there’s no risk in asking

[ebon quiver]

what happens if u dont have the letter XO

[formal fable]

"I appreciate the offer and I'm really excited to join this role. However, I have received other highly competitive offers and since I'm most excited for work at Bloomberg, I'd love it if you could consider matching these offers"

[ebon quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-time-gif-25989017

must be nice to have offers guys

[sonic coral]

Ok Mr “I’m gonna double renege”

Jk jk

[ebon quiver]

[dense cloud]

why hasnt hrt sent me my codesignal

[formal fable]

I am basically negotiating with BB without an offer though

The amount of word play involved is gonna make me have a seizure

[late kestrel]

@queen valve you can also ask the nice folk in the bb discord on what they did. lotta ppl in there negoed in some way

[formal fable]

They asked me if I had any competing deadlines/offers. I didn't. I did, however, had a Google interview process get suspended cause they needed me to have my EAD start date confirmed.

Told Bloomberg that, thinking it'll work in my favor. The HR lady, instead, got really nervous. Asked me about whether I'd consider joining Google if they reached out back before graduation and all that.

Told her that,

• Both Google and BB are great companies and the roles at both places are largely identical in terms of skills and responsibilities.
• This means that the only real variable is the compensation and considering the location, my YOE, a competitive offer from BB means I will be joining Jan 2023 for certain

I don't know what she'll do with that, I have a call with her today. Here's hoping that she took the bait.

[formal fable]

Link/Invite to this server please

[teal jackal]

man i remember the good old days where everyone said "dont worry about intern process, you'll for sure be able to have a lot of opportunities for new grad"

that aged so poorly

i want to go home

[formal fable]

Just 2022 doing its thing

[lament summit]

@queen valve RELAX SAVE SOME OFFERS

[teal jackal]

oh shit you got bloomberg?

COngrats fam!

[outer radish]

did anyone do the bentley OA?

[autumn ridge]

any last second tips for palantir onsite?

[late kestrel]

do good

[split plaza]

Palantir on-site in 30 minutes 🙏

[late kestrel]

also do good

[lament summit]

[lament summit]

keep calm and dont overthink

on-site is easy if u dont overthink

[autumn ridge]

If it's hard i'm going to blame you lol

Jk ty for the tips!

[lament summit]

[autumn ridge]

you got this thanos ^

infinity gauntlet of offers incoming lol

[smoky bone]

has anyone interviewed with vontive

[lilac grotto]

holy fuck how do i learn your speaking skills

[autumn ridge]

could you dm me and invite too

[lilac grotto]

the economy wont stay shit forever

[wet coral]

has anyone done tiktok MLE oa?

[signal ore]

I think Apple might be mixing me up for someone else, but the recruiter ignored it when I pointed it out

[shrewd ocean]

anyone who did bb vo how long after first interview did u know u passed

[serene fable]

It might take a while to get better and it would suck to need a year before your first job, and it's hard not to compare to people who graduated even one or two years prior

[lilac grotto]

u are new grad for ur grad season and then next season

[dusky lark]

HAHAHAHAHAA WHAT

[lilac grotto]

and id argue mid company for a year and then apply is better than apply as new grad

[dusky lark]

This is the funniest thing I've read all day

[lilac grotto]

we would like to extend you an offer Adison

please sign with your legal name here

[bold pier]

Very hard, 1 lc medium, 1 dp, 1 I don't even know what

[lilac grotto]

dp medium or hard

gonna sound funny but array/hashing problems are my weak point

[timber rock]

Who knew harvesting data for the ccp took so much leetcode skill

[rustic vessel]

3d dp

[lilac grotto]

wym by that

ive never seen a 3d dp before, unless you count knight dialer

dp difficulty isnt from the dimensions tho, its from how hard it is to come up with the subproblem and how hard to come up with recurrence relationship

[lament summit]

5d dp

[lilac grotto]

its just one more loop man

[lament summit]

At this point just dp in my ass

[formal glen]

Has anybody heard back after tiktok OA

[formal fable]

Has anyone heard back from Tiktok after the OA? It's been more than a week now

[loud stump]

will palantir match roblox TC?

[sharp stream]

Anyone know if Atlassian hacker rank is really hard?

[reef kettle]

I've heard neither of those companies like to negotiate since they already pay a lot, but it's worth a try if you have both offers @loud stump

I think they pay about the same base but Roblox has ~$25k more in RSUs

[sharp stream]

Last week

[split plaza]

decomp went well

[sharp stream]

But I had a referral

[loud stump]

do you know palantirs break down? @reef kettle

[rain patio]

How many applications do you guys submit per day?

[loud stump]

I'm about to meet with my palantir recruiter for the offer and trying to see if I can get it higher

But don't know what the strategy should be

[ripe marsh]

The tech market rn is like China’s one child policy

[last summit]

Location: New York City, NY
Base: 155k
Stock: 180k / 4 years = 45k/yr
Signing: 30k
Bonus: unsure, maybe 10%
TC: 230-245k, recurring 200-215k```

[fossil jewel]

cancelled LC premium

[reef kettle]

@loud stump $155k base + $180k RSUs over 4 years

$30k bonus

There's also the option of $145k base + $220k RSUs

[bold pier]

You guys have lc premium?

[loud stump]

oh interesting, why would anyone take the second option?

[fossil jewel]

well only did for two months

just settled on taking the return offer and might try for bbg in 6 months

[formal fable]

I have something better than LC premiums for practice. Job interviews 😛

[fossil jewel]

didnt have to disrespect us like that

[formal fable]

I mean, at least you don't lose out on a job offer on LC premium.

[bold pier]

True though, did more lc for 1 interview than I did in last 1 year

[fossil jewel]

it helps because of the tagged portions but also solutions are nice

also curious when's bbg start date?

[formal fable]

Tis the ancient art of BSing. I've mastered this over years of BS project presentations.

[late kestrel]

any monday thru the summer

[fossil jewel]

oh no starting month? good to know for future reference

[lilac grotto]

ur a legend xceed

[west egret]

I got it for BB. It's worth it IMO. I got it during the college event thing. So about $10/month for annual subscription. If you get a job, it pays for itself.

[clever orbit]

does roblox hire intl?

[bold pier]

I found all bb tagged on some free website, but I guess the ease and solutions might be worth it

[west egret]

The difference is that it's nice to have everything in one consolidated location

You can find some premium questions on LintCode but then you have to go back and forth. Especially annoying if you're using the discussion boards for understanding approaches.

It's just nice to have everything on LeetCode only.

[fossil jewel]

did you end up hearing back btw?

[formal fable]

I guess it's a matter of personal value preference. Whether it's worth it or not depends on how much you value your money vs your time/effort to find alternatives. For BB specifically, I found no need to practice LC, let alone tagged questions.

However, if I were interviewing for Zon SDE 3 or Google SSWE, I'd invest in some mock system design interviews, but not in problem sets as I can find them online relatively easily.

So, everyone does their math regarding these matters.

[late kestrel]

i also got it just for bb cuz they had quite a few prem tagged

[west egret]

Got HR round the same day and they told me I'd be moving to EM round. I haven't got anything from my recruiter to set up a specific date yet though.

[west egret]

Yeah. I'm not good at LC and BB + C1 are my only leads. Didn't want to take any chances. The way I saw it...I made an investment for the recruiting season for potential earnings.

[floral plank]

Where you got offer from?

[west egret]

How long after HR round did they contact you to set up EM?

[west egret]

return offer with Workday

[formal fable]

Some rejections are popping up too. There were far more offers than rejections early on, but seemingly, BB is stepping up their difficulty now

[west egret]

My manager is goat and emailed me to give me the good news early before recruiting contacts me.

[floral plank]

Congrats

[thorn walrus]

pinterest is completely backed up

[floral plank]

What happened?

[thorn walrus]

5-6 weeks to hear about decision from final round

[west egret]

I have a preference for BB for the NYC location.

But I'd be happy at either BB or WD honestly.

WD culture is actually great and I had a great time there this summer.

[late kestrel]

i didnt have my hr with vo. i got the email the day after my vo to schedule both em and hr

and it was ab a week later

[lament summit]

When did u hear that?

[west egret]

Thanks!

[formal fable]

Congrats! Is the Workday offer TC comparable to that of BB?

[west egret]

Ahh okay. I guess I'll be more worried if it's been a week and I don't hear back.

[autumn ridge]

Is that even with pending offers?

[shrewd ivy]

i just done my two technical interview with bloomberg, the first one was med but i choked kinda and didn't have time for a second question. The second inteviewer guy was great and I managed to solve the lc conceptully correctly didn't fully get finished with the coding. What are my chances of moving on?

[lament summit]

What round

[shrewd ivy]

the two technical round back to back

[west egret]

I didn't receive offer letter yet. But based on levels, I'd earn maybe 15-20k more at BB(after taxes)? If you account for the COL difference between Pleasanton and NYC, I think net difference is pretty much nothing?

[lament summit]

Id say slim since u didn’t finish either of ur interviews

[uneven grove]

Does anyone have any resources I can use to study for the Palantir learning/decomp onsite? I don’t have a lot of experience in system design prep

[west egret]

So I'd potentially make and save more at WD in Pleasanton but NYC location would be nice.

[formal fable]

I don't know much about Pleasanton. But assuming Workday is in Pleasanton and has higher TC, no way BB in NYC is better

[lament summit]

Grokking the sys design

[west egret]

Workday TC would be lower but lower COL in PLS.

[uneven grove]

Is that this: https://www.educative.io/courses/grokking-the-system-design-interview

[lament summit]

Yes

[uneven grove]

Tyty

[thorn walrus]

yes

[thorn walrus]

recruiter

[lament summit]

when*

like today?

[formal fable]

Although, I personally would go for BB, cause, while gross income might be better at Workday, NYC has its charm and proximity to other relevant opportunities in case you ever wanna hop. Online search is great, but local networking still has some benefits.

[thorn walrus]

yes

[lament summit]

ohoh

[thorn walrus]

my guess is that they can fill headcount with all the current offers they have rn

[lament summit]

okay i did my final a week and a half ago so maybe diff for me hopefully

[lament summit]

oh shit

[thorn walrus]

so they’re only interviewing in case some people reject

but who’s going to reject in this economy lol

[lament summit]

me and another guy finished finals last wed and we still have yet to hear back

[lament summit]

the only guy who got an offer rejected for ngs

[west egret]

Yeah I have a preference for NYC. Gross income wise BB > WD. But after taxes and COL the amount that ends up in savings would be about the same I think. Possibly even lower in NYC just due to COL.

[thorn walrus]

oh i stand corrected LOL

[lament summit]

i think he picked asana over

[thorn walrus]

must be return

[lament summit]

yes return

dont think any other ngs have received offers yet at least in this discord

[lament summit]

praying that im part of that

[prime palm]

Yes

[formal fable]

I did that for new grad and got OA phone

[west egret]

BB has OA?

[last summit]

I tried on 5 emails and didn't gl LOL

[formal fable]

Funny thing is, my other email was personal. The original application on school email was never picked up

Randomness in application pick-up. They get far too many, so you increase your probability by adding more instances.

That's life.

[prime palm]

Do u play cs:go?

[bold pier]

Oh, they probably use the lc Get Random solutions to resume screen

[tawdry skiff]

any good pm material someone can point me to?

[prime palm]

There's a pro csgo player named xCeeD

Think about it like this

[last summit]

we send it, we send it

[prime palm]

I look at your app on a Wednesday night and I'm in a bad mood. Or the previous 10 I just saw were giga cracked. So I reject u

[formal fable]

No, but it feels nice to be acknowledged like that all these years after college. I was big time on competitive CoD and DotA with this alias back in the day

[prime palm]

Next time I see your app on a diff email I'm in a good mood, I just had my favourite meal, im feeling fuck yeah, and I just reviewed like 5 shitty apps

Then I come across ur app and I'm like oooo he's poggers

Then boom now u got the phone

[last summit]

this is only valid if you assume the screening process is deterministic which it isn't

[peak ferry]

I'm vaguely from the area. it's a bougie suburban area

[white escarp]

resume screen has so much bias

it makes the process unfair sometimes

[formal fable]

Not necessarily the same recruiter or even a human. They have n slots and m applicants. Cost of reading m applications is high and m>>>n. So they have to arbitrarily reject.

[peak ferry]

you def need a car in Pleasanton and I don't think there are too many young folk there

[prime palm]

if random.randint() == 7: reject()

That's what happens behinds the scenes guys

[dusky plover]

mfs had to add a tle test case

[formal fable]

This is why target schools exist. It's a neat way to minimize recruitment risk but considering a pool of applicants that has been filtered by the school's admission process.

[forest aspen]

which problem is this lol

[peak ferry]

I'd spring for NYC if you care about living in a city at all. pleasanton is close to the polar opposite. also BB probably better for the resume

[dusky plover]

https://leetcode.com/problems/smallest-range-covering-elements-from-k-lists/

[bold pier]

bruh my cousin works in LinkedIn HR, they Ctrl+alt+delete resumes and select remaining to interview

[formal fable]

Hey!! Same dude!

[last summit]

wyd applying for senior lmao

[pearl rose]

bloomberg has target schools

they recruit heavy from my school

[west egret]

Yeah I’d prefer BB overall for NYC. But I’m just happy to have an offer at all in this market. So I think I’ll be happy in either company.

[formal fable]

Getting them offers for senior roles

[pearl rose]

virginia tech

[peak ferry]

fs it's a decent gig

[dusky plover]

can comfirm BB rejects all UCs besides UCB

[slender apex]

yo does anyone here have experience with the Google APM hiring process? If so can i plz dm

[pearl rose]

idk

i got bloomberg first round for november 🤣

[peak ferry]

was the case for me idk I might have messed up my app tho lol

[fossil jewel]

that's awesome! best of luck!

[loud stump]

Palantir doesn't negotiate at all for new grad

[formal fable]

What? No way. So many UCs much better off than my school and BB hires like crazy from here.

[peak ferry]

palantir ng offer pretty fat tho

[peak ferry]

got resume rejected from BB lol

[formal fable]

Doesn't make that a rule of school filter. Randomness is more likely. I've been resume rejected for roles that were basically a copy of my resume printed on their job requirements. The correlation doesn't make sense

NYU

[thorn walrus]

what were you trying to negotiate palantir with

[west egret]

Thanks! Any luck on your end?

[fossil jewel]

nah no luck sadly

wasnt meant to be

[west egret]

There will be other companies.

[bold pier]

NYU gang pull up

[formal fable]

I suppose some universities benefit from location, but geez, not NYU. Apart from BB, no NYC firm wants to hire from us. SJSU fares better than us for their location

[fossil jewel]

ye i took my return offer, better than nothing and while it is lower TC me and my fam live in cheaper areas of nyc so im not too concerned with COL

[peak ferry]

wait I thought NYU got some decent respect LOL unfortunate

[dusky plover]

[formal fable]

I thought so too. TBF, they got good shit going on in AI/ML research. But damn, feels like betrayal when I can see HRT office down the road from my school building but still not being considered for an interview.

[peak ferry]

oh ok that's kinda diff tho they go crazy

[bold pier]

Yeah, the job fair was also a joke this time!

[lilac grotto]

knock on their door every day and hand them your resume

they will interview you to get you to shut up

[formal fable]

I've been reached out for roles like "marketing analyst", "technician", "high school CS teacher", anything but a damn SWE

[formal fable]

Damn security keeps batting me away. They got amazing views though from the WTC.

[forest aspen]

my schools career fair had only military contractors

[lilac grotto]

my career fair has hrt, bbg, and boomer companies

[dusky lark]

my career fair has dominos

[formal fable]

Which school?

[bold pier]

That's good enough in this economy

[dense cloud]

how long does hrt take to send oa

its been a day 💀

[lilac grotto]

yeah but linkedin says hrt has hired 0 of us from college ever

only 20 yoe ppl

[dense cloud]

how do people even get into hrt 😭

[formal fable]

Chill dude, takes like 2 days max. OA with HRT is cake. Try getting an interview, 😛

[lilac grotto]

if i can get both hrt OAs then anyone can

just acinf them isnt enough

[formal fable]

Sacrificing a baby to the gods while proving P=NP

[lilac grotto]

p obviously isnt np

its just hard to prove it

[dusky lark]

😡

[formal fable]

I've given HRT OAs (both SWE and Algo) 3 times by now, lol. The algo one, I passed all cases in my last 2 attempts, but rejection nevertheless. However, I know some folks who passed fewer cases and got an interview cause pristine GPA. So HRT does seem to have hard filters like that

[lilac grotto]

whats ur goa

[formal fable]

3.3

[lilac grotto]

im 3.4 get fucked

[dense cloud]

what were their oa scores?

[bold pier]

This dude hiring on Angellist, what are my chances

[lilac grotto]

if that .1 makes me get would be hilarious

[lilac grotto]

what about hrt swe

[formal fable]

I'm specifically talking about Algo, which did not have a GCA score. Their SWE GCA was like close to 800 I think

[dense cloud]

ah i see

[formal fable]

They got interview for Algo, not SWE

[deft copper]

Just had 2 LC hard dp problems on a 90 minute OA lmao

[formal fable]

Which one?

[lilac grotto]

which ones

lc hard or "this is hard" hard

[formal fable]

What's the diff? Everyone seems to interpret everything they can't do as "LC hard" and everything else as "LC easy", lol

[peak ferry]

I mean what's the diff

oops sniped

I think I have a good gauge of LC hard but that's usually below "wow this is actually nutty hard" idk if that's true for you

[lilac grotto]

thats the problem

i see way too many people claiming to get dp hards

maybe its just not their strong suit

[peak ferry]

most of the time I assume they're actually meds tbh

[lilac grotto]

i rarely see "i got a dp medium 💀 " on reddit

[formal fable]

I determine difficulty like this:

• If I cannot come up with reasonable (not fully optimized) algo in like 10 mins, it's LC Hard or above
• If I can come up with algo and write it down correctly even if not completely optimally within 20 mins, then LC medium. Most likely will get optimal in 30 mins.
• If I can write everything optimal within 15-20, then LC easy

[dense cloud]

tbf i think the hard/med on lc has a lot of variation

there are easier hards than meds

etc

[formal fable]

Not all DP is hard, but understanding DP for the first time is hard. Once you've figured out DP, then only a subset of DP problems are hard

[lilac grotto]

yes

[peak ferry]

LC easy are trivial, LC med require some thought but usually aren't crazy, lc hard requires either some somewhat deep data structure knowledge, difficult implementation or pretty advanced thoroughly nontrivial thinking

[dense seal]

where'd u study dp from

[formal fable]

If you can use a simple hash table to track subproblem solutions fairly easily, it's a medium.

[peak ferry]

tbh some LC meds have stumped me for >10min but I'd still not call em hards just bc I'm not that bright rofl

[dense cloud]

some meds can be hard tho i think

[azure zephyr]

facts ill stare at a LC med graph question for 20 mins and make no progress lmao

[peak ferry]

nahhh hard DPs can pretty easily be broken down to memo a lot of the time, doesn't mean the recurrence is easy to see

[lilac grotto]

ye

[formal fable]

TBF, I think regardless of the hiring standard, LC hard is more luck due to ahead-of-time solution than it is actual on-the-spot solving. So LC hard is always a pointless judgement criteria IMO and is just a highly false-negative biased way of filtering candidates.

[lilac grotto]

difficulty is always "how easy is it to come up with subproblem" and "how easy to write the recurrence"

[azure zephyr]

my DS&A class was a joke didnt prepare for LC at all, i was going through my notes yesterday and realized we only spent like on day on hashmaps and there was only a brief mention of dp lmao

[dense cloud]

bruh my dsa class didnt even touch dp💀

[fossil jewel]

my algo class was more math

[dense cloud]

or union find

[fossil jewel]

did dp in a table, no code

[peak ferry]

generally agree. actually solved a novel lc hard dp on the spot with assistance, which I felt super bad about, but I think my interviewer saw positively. I actually thought it was lc med but I found similar problem that was hard and thought it was a fair classification in retrospect

[azure zephyr]

but hey at least i know all about linked lists thanks to DS&A !!!

[peak ferry]

neither are common in dsa classes

[deft copper]

They were similar to reaching points and binary tree max path sum

[formal fable]

I learnt it properly for a job interview 2 years out of college from sites like geeksforgeeks and hackerrank practice.

[ancient holly]

our algo was writing proofs

[deft copper]

So actual LC hards

[azure zephyr]

we spent like a month doing worksheets on time complexity lmao

[dense cloud]

i dont even think i did binary trees lol

[azure zephyr]

maybe even longer

[lilac grotto]

which ones milk

[peak ferry]

ok that's actually a big issue that's fundamental af

[lilac grotto]

holy shit what did u even learn pokka

was this pure algos or dsa

[calm shale]

bro the gap between the first and second point is so huge lol

[dense cloud]

leetcode 💀

[dense cloud]

algos

[ivory stratus]

My algo class was all theory and not any code

Literally all pseudo code

[deft copper]

@lilac grotto

[fossil jewel]

same

[lilac grotto]

thats rhe best type jake

[calm shale]

same

[ivory stratus]

At least my data structures class had us code in Java

[formal fable]

If your interviewer is in the mood to hire, not reject, then yes, assisted solving with reasonable amount of hints is totally possible. I've had that fortune maybe one or 2 times. In most cases, I encounter LC mediums. In the rare occasion of LC hard, given the hardasses in my country, I got interrogated till I was just stuttering.

[azure zephyr]

ppl rly believe that taking DS&A sets you up well for LC when the majority of CS programs have a shit DS&A class

[fossil jewel]

used clrs, class was such a drag i was contemplating continuing in the major lol

[peak ferry]

binary tree max sum is a soft hard, haven't looked at reaching points

[azure zephyr]

i had to crash course all of this on my own

[formal fable]

Yeah, those progressions are not uniformly distributed IMO. The realm beyond LC hard is far greater than LC mediums IMO and I think the sum of effort to master LC mediums/easy combined is less than that for LC hard.

[calm shale]

ya my algo classed helped fuck all

[forest aspen]

my school didnt ever teach what hashmaps or sets were

[azure zephyr]

they had us use C++😭

[ancient holly]

our data structure stuff was combined with OOP design

[forest aspen]

i just learned it on my own

[ancient holly]

squeezed everything into 1 semester

[deft copper]

The modification made it harder

[forest aspen]

thats brutal

[formal fable]

Company?

[fossil jewel]

intro cs, ds, were in c++

[dense cloud]

all i rmb is binary search, sorting, some graphs algos like dijkstra bfs dfs mst

[ancient holly]

intro to cs in c++ is brutal

[fossil jewel]

then we have a software design class that was in java

[deft copper]

Can't say but it's an AI mid sized startup

[peak ferry]

reaching points is also pretty soft

[fossil jewel]

my first coding class too :)

and prof had us use arch

[forest aspen]

my first language was c++ and i had an amazing teacher so i feel super lucky

[lilac grotto]

wait reaching poitns cant be a hard

[azure zephyr]

the first two coding classes were java, the next class was C, C++, and Assembly all in one class lmao

like why assembly

[ancient holly]

whyyy

[floral plank]

True

[ancient holly]

i remember when i fist try to learn to program

[lilac grotto]

i reduse to believe reaching points is hard its just 2d with very clear recurrence relationship

[ancient holly]

started with c++

[lilac grotto]

they literlaly tell u the recurrence

[forest aspen]

java was easy mode for me when i learned it and python is like reading my mind when i type lol

[low scroll]

is cisco oa proctored?

[split plaza]

How long does it take to hear back after Palantir VO

[shrewd ivy]

hmm I just did the HR round with some behaviour questions, is that a good sign or is the HR round auto after tech rounds?

[ancient holly]

stopped at the pointer twice

[deft copper]

Okay they weren't codeforces problems

[peak ferry]

bruh one issue with LC categorization is that medium and hard are not that well separated

[ancient holly]

:)haha

[azure zephyr]

and then most of my classes have been in C++, when i switched over to data science last year i learned python & r

[forest aspen]

all 3sum problems on LC should be hard in python because all other solutoins TLE

[peak ferry]

yea no ur good, its p fair to call em lc hards cuz they are, lc "hards" are just a huge fuckn range

[dense cloud]

i still dont know cpp

[ancient holly]

any advice for preping?

[fossil jewel]

my image processing class is in c++ as well

[ancient holly]

i heard its basically system design

[lilac grotto]

ok fuck lc classification

[dense cloud]

and its not worth it to learn now so i gotta wait until i get a job which might never happen at this rate 💀

[split plaza]

You can’t really prep tbh, just be able to think on your feet

[deft copper]

That's true, the newer hards are definitely a tier above the classic hards

[lilac grotto]

if reaching poohts is hard and the other mediums are medium, its too blurred

[dense cloud]

bruh i hate 3sum

[ancient holly]

why, is it because its design style?

[deft copper]

As in the hards used for contests

[dense cloud]

like the theory is relatively easy like sorting with 2 pointer but the implementation is so annoying

[shrewd ivy]

guys is the bloomberg HR round auto? it popped up in my email an hour after the technical round and I just did it...

[split plaza]

You’ll get details in an email from your recruiter

[forest aspen]

you gotta either know a weird python syntax optimization to get normal solutions to pass or implement the binary serach algorithm which is just a mess just to get it to pass

[peak ferry]

100% mediums range from barely harder than easies to harder than a lot of hards lmao

[formal fable]

I suppose everyone should get an HR round, right? Regardless of the news

[forest aspen]

a lot of mediums are a complete joke though

[peak ferry]

ya that's barely harder than easy lol

[forest aspen]

i remember yesterdays daily was like stupid

[lilac grotto]

binary max sum isnt dp is it

https://leetcode.com/problems/binary-tree-maximum-path-sum/discuss/?currentPage=1&orderBy=hot&query=

[forest aspen]

definitely not worth calling a medium, it was an easy fs

[lilac grotto]

its recursion not dp i thought

[formal fable]

Could be memory-bias. If you are adept at that type of problem or solution precisely, you may perceive it easy while others might not.

[prime palm]

Doin leetcode at my graduation ceremony rn 🔥

[peak ferry]

idk I just thought max left max right at every point lol

[deft copper]

I had a modification that made it dp

[prime palm]

I'm grinding they slacking

😈

[shrewd ivy]

did you get meta return offer?

[forest aspen]

that is true... but this problem here is definitely not worth being a medium
https://leetcode.com/problems/delete-the-middle-node-of-a-linked-list/

[prime palm]

No LOL

[shrewd ivy]

i remeber you, u showed me the graphql thing

[solemn crag]

How long time after BB HR round they schedule EM?

[shrewd ivy]

this same question I was gonna ask

[formal fable]

Oh, this. Yeah I mean, I consider linked-list fairly straightforward. Seems on the easier side

[solemn crag]

When did u do the HR round

[peak ferry]

it's not but if you require the fast pointer trick I'd argue it is. fast pointer trick hella cute tho

[dense cloud]

https://leetcode.com/problems/sum-of-subarray-minimums/description/ maybe im dumb but istg this should be a hard

[deft copper]

Any dp question should automatically be a medium at least

Yeah

[formal fable]

For sure. No DP is "easy"

[forest aspen]

this is just permutations

with more steps

[lament summit]

the naive approach is easy, the hare and tortoise is med

[peak ferry]

hard med fs, but lc ranges are stupid so idk what the bar for a hard even should be

[formal fable]

Easy solution on fibonacci would be inoptimal shit without memoization. DP is always an optimization step, thus putting problems in medium territory at least

[forest aspen]

lol honestly implementing the true dp way for fib is easier than doing the memoization part

[formal fable]

What's "true DP"?

[forest aspen]

i remember when i first started doing LC i did that problem and i did it the true DP way and i had to look up what memoization was later

like

[dense cloud]

i hate the calculator problems

[forest aspen]

in place

[deft copper]

Bottom up probably

[forest aspen]

constant memory

ya thas what i meant lol

[lilac grotto]

for me it means when the subproblem isnt always 1 step ago

that was when i truly got dp

[peak ferry]

what is fib dp? ur just generating the sequence

[lilac grotto]

i only knew fib so i thought i need to use n-1 subproblem

[azure zephyr]

so climbing stairs should be classified as med?

[forest aspen]

it is right?

[azure zephyr]

its easy i think

[formal fable]

I thought so too. Constant memory from bottom up is the upper cap of the dynamic memory from top-down. Algorithmically, both approaches have the same asymptotic complexity. It's just that bottom up can mean shorter or fixed call stacks, but the storage DS is all the same complexity.

[forest aspen]

o.o no way

they changed it then

[deft copper]

You have overlapping subproblems that you can reach through multiple paths

[lament summit]

caching the previously solved sequence is dp

[formal fable]

But both approaches are called memoization, AFAIK.

[shrewd ivy]

climbing stairs is so easy after you do it once

[dense cloud]

how about buy and sell stock

how was it

[deft copper]

I swear this should be a medium

[azure zephyr]

that problem doesn't feel like true dp to me idk

[dense cloud]

ay nice

[lament summit]

just behav or were there technicals

[peak ferry]

I'm just confused bc it's legit defined as i-1 element + i-2 element

[dense cloud]

was it technical or behavioural?

[forest aspen]

to me its greedy

[deft copper]

Yeah greedy is at least medium

[forest aspen]

the thing with greedy is like half the time you dont know it works until you try it

[shrewd ivy]

some problem as ez once you know the trick tho how would you catagorize that?

[peak ferry]

turbo fuck greedy, any non standard/glaringly obvious greedy should automatically be hard

[forest aspen]

its not so easy to prove it works when youre thinking bout a solution

[lament summit]

look at this

see how theres a lot of repeated cases

[dense cloud]

yea like the broken calculator one

[azure zephyr]

i think interviewers should just ask all new grads array and string questions 😄

[deft copper]

My issue with greedy is you can't prove it without a ton of work so if you go with greedy you're just guessing at best

[peak ferry]

that's why it's hard. you can't just guess and check on the job you need to be able to argue why it's correct

[dense cloud]

i randomly tried the soln and it somehow works

was confused

[peak ferry]

there's also not really a systematic way to get something that works you just intuit your way there and then try to justify it

[forest aspen]

bro my friend tried to learn how to do fast induction proofs so that he could prove greedy algos in interviews

[shrewd ivy]

greedy questions are just hard if you don't know, like trapping rain water

[forest aspen]

it was the funniest thing ive ever seen

[deft copper]

Bruh if someone started doing induction on the whiteboard that's an auto strong hire

[formal fable]

Oof, I had some good luck there with a reasonable interviewer giving that one hint to do it in linear time. US interviewers are generally nice

[forest aspen]

i just try to like reason it with words in an induction format without being super formal

[peak ferry]

if someone whipped out a greedy without justification I'd assume they just memorized an lc solution

[shrewd ivy]

[azure zephyr]

but imagine if we were doing this in like 2019 tho

having to do whiteboard interviews in person??

[deft copper]

Idk knowing stacks doesn't mean you can come up with a monotonic stack range query solution without knowing about monotonic stacks beforehand

[forest aspen]

bro id prefer that so much

whiteboards are amazing

[peak ferry]

monoq/monostacks are pretty standard tho

also I fucking love being able to draw/sketch things tbh

[forest aspen]

ive had a few on camera interviews with like google and i always write on a paper when i solve LC problems, but they had me coding in JUST google docs - i couldnt show them my pictures or what i was thinking on the google doc so it was just much harder for me

[deft copper]

I found the intuition behind using mono stacks that way pretty hard to understand

[peak ferry]

yea fair it's not easy the first time, but I feel once you add it to your tool box it's nice

I feel smart the rare time I get to do a monoq problem

[dense cloud]

is segment tree worth understanding

[peak ferry]

for interviews? no

[deft copper]

True, to me standard stacks is like palindrome or parenthesis stuff

[forest aspen]

is trie tree worth understanding?

[fossil jewel]

i like drawing out my thinking

[dense cloud]

then why codesignal gotta throw me a segment tree 💀

[dense cloud]

yes

i like tries

[peak ferry]

implementing a segtree in an interview is extremely unrealistic unless ur a cper that has an implementation memorized

[fossil jewel]

never done a trie problem

[peak ferry]

what q? never heard of that being a thing. one q basically requires a bst tho so fun times if ur a python nerd

[dense cloud]

i think i shared it ytd

[dusky lark]

i got range queries too lmao

[dense cloud]

u could do an interval method but like

[dusky lark]

did you get the queries one?

[dense cloud]

its so annoying to implement

[deft copper]

I got a question on a hackerrank that needed a java treemap

[peak ferry]

with range updates? otherwise u can just do fenwick

[dense cloud]

uhh its the one where u get the amount of new interval

[jaunty basalt]

If that happens, “my internet cut out” pastes implementation

[dusky lark]

yep with updates

i did it using a segment tree

[forest aspen]

lol just quit mid interview and log out

[peak ferry]

range updates specifically?

[dense cloud]

maybe i should just learn segment tree

in a few years when lc hards become the norm

gotta stay ahead

[peak ferry]

I've never seen a single segtree problem in lc

well one you could solve with segtree or fenwick

[dense cloud]

i think there are problems that will be a lot easier to do if u know segtree

[forest aspen]

atp you guys are just saying funny words

[peak ferry]

meh haven't stumbled upon them. they're just too hard to implement in an interview setting

[dense cloud]

https://leetcode.com/problems/booking-concert-tickets-in-groups/description/

theres this

[shrewd ivy]

one hard question type I like is max flow type of questions

[dense cloud]

what is this

[peak ferry]

don't remember any maxflow algos rip me lol

graph algo

[lament summit]

ford fullkerson?

[forest aspen]

the hardest question i ever got on an interview so far was coinchange and a topological sort problem

[lament summit]

damn thats nice

[lament summit]

i remember learning this in my algos class

[dense cloud]

yall do cp or something why do yall know these 😭

[forest aspen]

isnt there an alternative to this one? or no

[peak ferry]

I did lol

[lament summit]

no idea i just rmbmer maxflow = ford fulkerson

arent u T10 school

[peak ferry]

there's a laundry lists of algos lol

[dense cloud]

like compulsory algo class?

[lament summit]

wtf

[dense cloud]

or optional

[forest aspen]

ooh nvm i think that ford fulkerson can be used in place of like prims/kruskal but not the other way around

[peak ferry]

tfw no advanced algos for me

[lament summit]

im T40 and we learn this in intro algo class

[shrewd ivy]

one algo I stright up memorized is the KMP one for strStr

[peak ferry]

diff problems

[peak ferry]

AYO SAME

[dense cloud]

i forgot how to do kmp

[peak ferry]

I forgot it now tho

[dense cloud]

gotta refresh

[lament summit]

max flow, dp, bellman ford

[dense cloud]

i didnt take it

[deft copper]

Who expects kmp in an interview lmao

[dense cloud]

yall have compulsory advanced algo classes??

[peak ferry]

tbh after learning it I could probably recreate it myself but not in an interview setting

[lament summit]

we also have an advanced algo class that goes even further

[dusky lark]

anyone else finds graphs way easier than like Greedy or One of those crazy bitset DPs

[peak ferry]

string problems are literally the devil, kmp is one of the nicer ones

[dense cloud]

damn

[green bronze]

I SPAM DFS YESSIR

[dusky lark]

Manacher and Z

[forest aspen]

bro our advanced algos class is like easy dp problems and thats where it ends LOL

[lament summit]

what school ranking

[dusky lark]

lol no

[dense cloud]

i hate my school

[dusky lark]

i mean like union find ect

etc

[peak ferry]

manachers is such a bullshit algo that solves literally one problem, I refuse to remember how it works

[dusky lark]

or kruskal

[forest aspen]

not high, not sure

[green bronze]

Always use DFS

[dusky lark]

i rarely do

[green bronze]

DFS works 100% of the times it works

[green bronze]

Not trying hard enough then

[forest aspen]

bfs makes a lot of problems much eaiser tho

[peak ferry]

we have lower and upper div algos but the upper div ones doesn't cover anything that neat lol

[green bronze]

I only know recursion whats a while loop 😳

[lament summit]

All-Pairs Shortest Paths Chapter 25
• Maximum Flow Chapter 26
• Multithreaded Algorithms Chapter 27
• Matrix Operations Chapter 28
• Linear Programming Chapter 29
• Polynomials and the Fast Fourier Transform Chapter 30
• Number-Theoretic Algorithms Chapter 31
• String Matching Chapter 32
• Computational Geometry

[dusky lark]

nop

[deft copper]

I didn't even learn ds&a in school lol

[green bronze]

You cannot disprove that statement

[peak ferry]

dam theory/academic shit here

[lament summit]

this is grad level algo, but we learned max flow in intro as well

[peak ferry]

I know 0 stuff about fft & lp I should prob learn about it

[dusky lark]

TLE

[peak ferry]

also number theory and some matrix stuff

I only know they exist not how tf they work

[lament summit]

sounds just as bad

[peak ferry]

bruh how does the amortized analysis on union find work? no goddamn idea but yeehaw inverse akerman time lets go

[lament summit]

wtf

advanced is not for us

[peak ferry]

bro I'm sad I didn't go to a good uni now :(

[lament summit]

i didnt even take that shit

[forest aspen]

just learn it on ur own - then its just brain diff and not school diff

[lament summit]

i bet

[peak ferry]

my school covered maxflow never iirc and I literally took the graph theory class

sad cuz they learned some neat stuff in this context

[lament summit]

doesnt matter u dont really ever need to use any of those algos

[peak ferry]

nah just cuz cool

[lament summit]

not cool when the average of the class is 60%

[peak ferry]

my classes were boring af

[peak ferry]

very cool if curved

very uncool if uncurved

[lament summit]

dont think it is

[peak ferry]

I got sodomized in a cal class with like 50% averages, but curved to the high heavens so I got a W

with degenerate constants cough cough

[forest aspen]

this is chronically cs

[primal pike]

ez bro