2023_grads

[gleaming fable]

basically useless for most of FAANG, could be the only way to get your foot in the door at a startup tho

[grizzled bronze]

Someone who architects solutions

[dusky plover]

chill cuh

[rain patio]

Mostly mid sized companies

Small - mid

[teal jackal]

i do not trust untapped

[rain patio]

It does help when they look at referred resumes closely and first in the pile of 200 resumes

[teal jackal]

i actually did not know that referrals were absolutely useless at faang level

honestly i feel like people jsut begging strangers for referrals has completely devalued it as a whole

[dusty basin]

They’re not

[teal jackal]

or are people jebaiting me

with bad information

[dusty basin]

It depends

For some companies like msft, ng referrals just get thrown into the general pool afaik so not really helpful

And if it’s a stranger referring you, they’re probably using a networking referral which is basically “I don’t know this person. Just met them once and wanna refer them”

Which doesn’t mean much but can sometimes be helpful

The actual referrals are what count where the person basically says they can vouch for you

[teal jackal]

first wave of apps feels like its over tbh, i dont see many new apps come up anymore and my response rate(even including resume rj) is down

[rain patio]

Yup

Especially big companies

[teal jackal]

if i ever get back into FAANG tier and can hold my job there
i will be the proudest and most obnoxious mf about it

Im the coolest guy on earth bro i have a sicc job bro

[vital meteor]

Life isnt all about money man

[teal jackal]

i noticed that most people who succeed in tech are fairly humble

i will rebel

and be the opposite

[vital meteor]

It's also about cute gfs

Your plan should be faang and cute gf

[teal jackal]

3 phones, same bro

interesting, i thought that google puts you back where you left off in the loop if you get rejected one season

oh wait

is it only skipping straight to host/team match

yeah that makes sense

ohhhhh

im mixing it up

what do i do tonight, GFL zombie escape is not playing any fun maps rn

nah

not into overwatch

i think im gonna buy another car if i can get 110k base

a hobby car

like a bmw m240i

not new

but a second car

planning on living at home if i get an offer for boston area

[young peak]

Apple referrals are key

Last year almost all the people that got in had referrals

I got resume rejected at msft, netflix and apple

most likely because of no referrals

g/meta care less about referrals i think, since I got offers from em with no referrals

[loud stump]

ik google doesn't negotiate without hearing a higher offer, but are there companies like roblox that could hear a lower offer and end up giving you more money?

[young peak]

Why do you think you gotta tell em your offer numbers?

[slate bobcat]

MOUSE

YOUR BACK

[young peak]

Just tell em you have a competitive offer

aggressively?

like ask for offer letter?

[loud stump]

that makes sense. for negotiation, it is it ok to give all offers to all companies? See if any will increase their offer? Or is that considered bad practice

[young peak]

That just sounds like a recruiter tactic tbh, just tell them you indeed have this offer and it's mainly because of your own privacy that you don't want to show it

if its from a good company, tell the name -- blur out the numbers and send a preview of the letter if necessary

Just that you'd respect their privacy if it was the other way around,

wtf lmfao

IMC is famous....

bruh that's when you just tell them what it is, link em to imc.com or something

not give your offer letter

?

Eh it's Netflix bud, you're getting a good offer. I just think you left a lot on the table

plus IMC TC should be 300k+ right?

[teal jackal]

im listening to melancholy music while playing csgo sad that childhood is over and that adulthood has not panned out well for me

270k is goated

[pallid quarry]

Just send a screenshot with details blurred out

[teal jackal]

isnt that hella sus

"can you enhance on that please"

[pallid quarry]

Offer letters are confidential fwiw

You’re not obliged to share it with the recruiter

[young peak]

I mean you can always just say, hey I have this other really competitive offer and it's from a trading firm called IMC. I'd love to pursue an opportunity with Netflix since I love the product and culture so much, but I'm unable to share the exact numbers because I'd like to respect the companies privacy much like I'd respect Netflixs given the other way around.

^ This is verbatim what I told Bloomberg

and look I got 300k

[young peak]

It's wording sadly. If you tell them you're not obligated to send it, then they'll just refuse to negotiate lmfao

[teal jackal]

Yeah

[kind galleon]

i think theres less leverage this year

this was last year right lol

[young peak]

yeah

y'all got anti-leverage this year purely through the economy lmfao

[kind galleon]

they kno the odds r against us

@young peak did starting off higher end up umm inhibiting growth

ig it's too late to say, but have u been promo-ed yet

*too early i mean

[young peak]

naw It's only been around a month since I started m8

[teal jackal]

tbh i feel like im being entitled by hoping i get 110k base salary

[kind galleon]

ohh my bad

[teal jackal]

are u international?

[kind galleon]

glgl y'all

[teal jackal]

green card?

[wild igloo]

yall are getting offers?

[young peak]

But if I do get promo-ed, I'll prob end up getting lowest, lower middle of the L4 band

[young peak]

On OPT rn yeah

[kind galleon]

i think so? idk much about it

it sounds like a weird loophole

[young peak]

You wait a year until they can file PERM

Google starts GC from day 1, although it takes a while

you'd do H1B apps simultaneously aswell

yep

Unless you're indian or chinese, odds are H1B might be better

since you'd have no cap

[teal jackal]

interesting

they have strict limit on ints from china/india

[young peak]

Lmfao both are harder for my chinese and indian friends

[teal jackal]

i might be irredeemably autistic and a terminal underachiever but im so glad i dont have to deal with this h1b shit

LMAo goated

[young peak]

Population of the individuals trying to come in + Overstay % are the qualifiers

[teal jackal]

is h1b not a guarantee?

that sucks

[young peak]

I think it's India, China, Nigeria and one Russia that are on that list

that's genius

[young peak]

depends on the country you're from

[teal jackal]

are u guys from a lottery country? that ssucks

[young peak]

yeah it blocks people

which sucks but what can you do

[teal jackal]

being an int sucks

damn

[rain patio]

How much better are chances with a masters

For green card

[nocturne oriole]

Recession + foreign student might actually make a masters the move

[grand summit]

figma hasn't gotten back to me after final but my other offer deadlines are monday

[timber rock]

I dont think gc is a lottery unless you go for the diversity thing

You have a way higher chance for h1b you have a masters but I'm too lazy to get the actual numbers

Yeh and multiple chances cause of stem opt extension so u gotta be real unlucky to not get it

[loud stump]

has anyone been able to negotiate the roblox offer?

[rain patio]

guys

[austere grove]

I thought the visa stuff got fixed once you got a job

[elder hull]

no u actually can do the lottery in multiple companies

[errant cape]

What questions does IMC ask during its video interview?

[elder hull]

to increase ur chance to get a visa

but everyone I know who did so ended up missing all the lotteries

yeah Idk why

maybe the chance is just so low🥲

[errant cape]

cs trivia is DSA only? Or OS, networks, etc.

I see. You got an offer?

Nice, congrats! I just finished the OA today. Did pretty well. Hope I clear it

lol i had a feeling

[elder hull]

yeah maybe they are just unlucky

[errant cape]

I started the internship process a little late

ye

[elder hull]

undergrad rate is just like 15% or so last year

maybe even lower this year

holy

ohh i c

masters are much better

and i tell myself u got 6 years by not getting a ms right now

but also after 3.years masters rate can also decrease a lot

online ms dosent help opt extension

[errant cape]

You can get into some professional masters program right?

I dont think they are that competitive

yeah

Like MEng vs MS CS

MS CS is usually much harder

[glass kraken]

has citadel given any fte offers so far at all? (other than intern conversions)

[elder hull]

a lot

u can find some in the 2023-grad process

[slate bobcat]

I haven’t heard back from Stubhub or BB today

and I was expecting too

[austere grove]

If you miss your visa why not just go to a satellite office in another country

[slate bobcat]

bruh if I fail another interview I’m gonna pissed

[austere grove]

Assuming you haven’t established so much of a base here that moving would be hard

I thought that’s what companies typically did with misses

[elder hull]

only large ones right

google amazon microsoft blommberg does that I know

[austere grove]

Large ones and trading firms yeah

Trading firms typically have offices around the world for 24/7 coverage

[elder hull]

but is transferring to another country as easy in trading firms?

[austere grove]

Should be

[elder hull]

like big techs do thesw cause they got too many intl employees

I see. Hope so

[compact obsidian]

depends on team, location, comp

[paper zephyr]

does anyone have any advice for Netflix final round

[compact obsidian]

also didn't twitter rescind some offers recently?

might as well take both just in case

and reneg

xd

[elder hull]

do u have a list or smthing?

got it . Thx!

[teal jackal]

tbh the more i deal with headaches at my university i realize
i prefer TAs who are just doing it for a paycheck and dont gaf about it, over TAs who think they're on some holy crusade by being anal and uptight about their job as a TA

[solemn crag]

Finished 3 questions for Karat, but believe I got some space complexity wrong for technical questions (trust me I didn't know heapify can be O(n) duh)

Should I redo

[split plaza]

if you cleared it they’ll just cancel the redo

So no harm in scheduling the redo I think

But 3 should be enough to pass

[solemn crag]

I really didn't know heapify is O(n) Thought it's the same as heap sort

[split plaza]

It’s probably fine I didn’t do that well on the technical questions either and passed

[lament summit]

amazon

if u like having a job

[dusty basin]

I don’t think lejoro had referral

[dire yarrow]

I got resume rejected at MSFT even after referral

[night magnet]

msft frozen now mostly

[dusty basin]

I got msft interview without referral

[night magnet]

even my friend who's a 2x intern had to decide super early on whether he was returning for a 3x bc of headcount issues

[dusty basin]

Get out of recession

[sonic coral]

Same here I also got msft interview without referral last year

[wheat seal]

Same

[uncut umbra]

I'm not good enough for tiktok oa

that shit was hard

maybe I'm just dumb

[wheat seal]

How hard?

LC hard?

[uncut umbra]

first coding was trivial, second was annoying dp, third was a hard

I'm just bad I think

I genuinely hate dp

[wheat seal]

How do u know it was dp

[uncut umbra]

I'm a dfa - I know what is dp and what isn't, but I can't solve it

[wild pewter]

Can i say the leetcode question it was based on?

[wheat seal]

What’s dfa

[uncut umbra]

discrete finite automata

[wheat seal]

Ur good at dfa?

Is that what ur saying

[wheat seal]

Did u sign nda?

[uncut umbra]

just ignore the joke

probs didn't say it well

[wheat seal]

Lol

[uncut umbra]

I feel like anya in mouserunner's pfp rn

long day lmfao

two interviews

[wild pewter]

oh wait

[uncut umbra]

yep

I'm a geiger counter - I can see the nuclear waves of dp problems but if I'm going wild it means we're fucked anyway

[wheat seal]

How many lc have u fine

[uncut umbra]

not many tbh

I just can't get my head around them

if I can get a job without having to know dp that'll be a godsend

[wheat seal]

I mean total LC count

Pita bread?

[uncut umbra]

idk low double digits is my guess

I don't have premium

[wheat seal]

Oh yea that’s not enough to ingrain patterns unless I’ve done comp b4?

I got resume rejected by Bloomberg datadog this cycle

I’m industry hire though

[urban escarp]

same

dumbest shit stumped me

[low scroll]

how hard is it

[errant gorge]

i thought that stands for deterministic finite automata

[bold pier]

First doable, second doable if you know DP, third is spawn of Satan

[vague kraken]

You’re right jerru

[foggy star]

It does

[uncut umbra]

I keep on fucking it up

same vibes tho

[foggy star]

It is same vibes fr tbh, also have u rly done 300+ apps

[weak latch]

FINITE AUTOMATA

NOOOOOOOO

[wheat seal]

He probably coded out a bot to mass apply

[neat shore]

Where do I find LC tagged company questions without LC premium

[chilly burrow]

https://leetcode-company-tagged.vercel.app/

[compact obsidian]

dp is so easy just do recursive solution and then @ Memoize :5head:

/s

[delicate cloak]

tfw easiest question on TikTok OA was dp

[wheat seal]

TFW?

What’s that

[delicate cloak]

that feel when

[split plaza]

Has anyone tried cold emailing a Databricks recruiter

I’ve been ghosted for like 2 months

[lilac siren]

does it help?

cold emailing to a recruiter

I planed to email to a Microsoft recruiter, but they are freezing

And a lot of campus recruiters are laid off

[floral plank]

I have been emailing for microsoft and I have never gotten a response

It is probably useless at this point

[surreal prairie]

has anyone done the algo engineer codesignal for hrt? it's not a gca 😭😭

[compact obsidian]

codesignal gca seems too easy to stand up to hrt's standards tbh

[clear stone]

anyone here did hackrrank OA from Flexport???

[surreal prairie]

yeah but the one for swe is gca lol

[uncut umbra]

almost 400 now

I could each job posting as a separate app, so I'm only at 250 companies, but I spend more time on that than I shoudl lol

[tardy geode]

is pramp worth it?

[uncut umbra]

yes

twice

aced that oa the second time in 20 minutes

yeah I tried to contact the nyc recruiter but she literally never read my email

and emily texted her

forgot her name, I vaguely remember what she looks like

the plano recruiter right?

do you remember what her name was lol

[jaunty basalt]

Jessica?

Oh maternity leave

I didn’t apply to Plano last year but Plano people handled my nyc offer

I was like tf is this area code, didn’t pick up three times

[fossil jewel]

lol same

his initials were JM

[jaunty basalt]

If u want to be sure just md5 hash his name

I’ll do the same and we compare

[teal jackal]

i feel like a lot of companies are probably on a strict "do not reply to cold emails" policy

palantir is not though, if you wanna try

[teal jackal]

microsoft is probably also on a strict "do not reply to cold emails" policy, i tried as an intern and it went nowhere every time

[jaunty basalt]

part of it could be that msft recruiters are contractors

[teal jackal]

tru

[tardy geode]

background with LC questions meaning? you want the numbers? . i have done like 3-4 interviews

while searching for an internship

[teal jackal]

this shit is actual hell tbh

[rain patio]

when do most companies pay out signing bonus

After start?

[elder hound]

@rain patio first paycheck

[exotic lintel]

first paycheck
or second paycheck (a complete 1 month)

[compact sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/get-on-apex-mccree-overwatch-mccree-overwatch-gaming-gif-22293682

[silk cape]

anyone hear back from Doordash?

[wind drum]

like kodiak robotics?

i would be careful about joining them imo

mostly bc their outlook as a business is very rough

[clever orbit]

anyone done karat palantir redo and get similar type of questions?

[wind drum]

They don't have enough employees to catch up to the other AV trucking companies and yeah it will only be harder for them to grow in a recession

i think their best case scenario rn is getting acquired

they're gonna need to really stretch it out, but i've heard they have good wlb and culture

prob a little less, just looking at levels

might be worth asking them early on

[paper magnet]

Did anybody go through the Google process ?

for this season

[split plaza]

Few people had recruiter reach out I think

But vast majority no

[teal jackal]

either recruiter reached out first

or you slid into recruiter dm/email and the recruiter likes your application

[rustic vessel]

They don’t seem to be hiring afaik

[deft crow]

They're def hiring

I know someone on recruiting there

[rustic vessel]

Pretty much everyone haven’t heard back after oa

I also had referral

[uncut umbra]

fuck goldman lmao

also

I have to believe that the individual making these applications on workday is like a temp worker or smth, or workday is shit

I literally fill out my university info and shit like that

and the very next page is me refilling everything out again except I have to type it out

what on earth

[deft crow]

Lmao

Feel like it's rare that I find a company with a good application process tbh

[tardy geode]

is this tik tok ng ?

https://careers.tiktok.com/position/7138944692326828295/detail?spread=5MWH5CQ

[onyx axle]

Yes

[outer radish]

JUST CLAPPED UP 6 GRAPH MEDS ON MY OWN NO HELP EASY PEASY

IM A MENACE

[clever orbit]

anyone have good resources on space complexities?

[tardy geode]

godspeed my g

praying for wet inboxes next week

[grizzled bronze]

I don't want to start receiving any emails until some more weeks later

[vast rock]

does Visa auto send OA

i think my 2022 grad date got myself filtered again maybe

[dusky ledge]

Nope I didn’t get OA, applied while back

[lilac siren]

no it’s not auto

[obsidian marsh]

does anyone's c1 portal look like this

i haven't been contacted for an interview yet at all and it's been weeks lol

[grizzled bronze]

They're backed up but may reach out to you eventually

[obsidian marsh]

ty ty

[tardy geode]

gg

[inner cape]

anyone know how long the google hiring process usually takes? I had my onsite yesterday but have offers that expire end of month

PA?

TM?

ah

but like how long does it take 2 know if u passed HC?

ah ty

[slim agate]

It’s random. For internships, I’ve seen people hear back the same day while some people had to wait for a month to hear back from HC

[nocturne oriole]

Tell google to hurry and the others to extend when there is like 1 week left

[fair plinth]

New grads get offer after PA

Team matching later

Also nothing you can do about Google even with deadlines, PA matching is delayed this year as they figure out headcounts

Chances are you're forced to take another offer

[slim agate]

Depends on your start date. If you need to start within a month or 2, you’ll probably need to go through team matching before getting an offer

[fair plinth]

2 weeks after onsite for me

[wheat seal]

When did u do ur interview

[fair plinth]

Like 3 weeks ago

[wheat seal]

U must’ve applied in spring right?

[fair plinth]

I didn't apply, recruiter reached out earlier in the year and then started process for me summer

[obsidian marsh]

?

[fair plinth]

Fair, I just made the assumption most grads would start next summer

[inner cape]

yeah I start in the summer

other good offer is Bloomberg which expires End of month

[slim agate]

True

[fair plinth]

I'd just take Bloomberg and renege if you get a Google match later

[inner cape]

is google that much better than bloomberg?

[fair plinth]

Well that's a personal preference

Could just take Bloomberg too

But it's very unlikely you have an offer in hand before end of month

It's like 2 weeks for hc decision then more for PA matching rn

[inner cape]

yeah especially with the current climate

with no one interviewing there, matching gonna take months no?

[slim agate]

Most of the interns trying to return as fte haven’t heard back yet

It’s pretty slow rn

[inner cape]

so why tf are they interviewing new grads 😂

[fair plinth]

Who knows

Just want people in the pipeline I guess

[slim agate]

Yeah

[knotty talon]

maybe my brain is just smooth

but construct binary tree from preorder and inorder is like the one question ive done multiple times across multiple grinds + reviewing

and i still feel like i'd fumble the implementation if someone asked me it

[wheat seal]

Nah I would definitely take BB. Like google is stable but BB is even more stable

[clever orbit]

same

[inner cape]

is BB as prestigeous as google in the tech world?

[wheat seal]

Ofc

[shrewd ocean]

is it actually?

[wheat seal]

Also u probably will get higher pay at BB eventually

[sweet urchin]

Lol what

Neither of the things you have said are true

[wheat seal]

Google can’t pay as high now

Due to recession

So?

[shrewd ocean]

ya ur def stretching

[sweet urchin]

Google is infinitely more prestigous and pay infinitely more

Especially at senior level

Taking google over BB is an absolute no brainer

[sweet urchin]

Just accept and reneg if you get google

[wheat seal]

Can’t he negotiate though?

With bb

[inner cape]

yeah

[wheat seal]

I’m pretty sure he can

[inner cape]

ive gotten it up a bit more than what they offered me

[wheat seal]

I’d still take Bb with current climate lol

And just negotiate

Like google is safe

[fair plinth]

You can negotiate with Google too

[wheat seal]

But Bb is like solid

[teal jackal]

Take bbg now

See where Google goes

I heard that Google lays off a lot of teams

[sweet urchin]

If you wanna take BB over google, be my guest, but you will kick yoursef forever. Im no google fanboy but its ridiculous to say BB is anywhere at the same level as G

[wheat seal]

He should wait to negotiate

[inner cape]

is bloomberg better than amazon? I got a return offer there but rly don't wanna go back

[teal jackal]

Even if the company as a whole is alright, wrong team and you're out of a job

[wheat seal]

I think BB is

[teal jackal]

Can u use Amazon tc to match at Bloomberg

[inner cape]

yeah that's what I did

[teal jackal]

Bloomberg and Amazon are equivalent in prestige

[inner cape]

my bbg TC was higher though

[teal jackal]

I'd take bbg

[wheat seal]

No 1 said that. I just said given current climate if just negotiate BB as high as possible and take that

And no 1 will look down at u for going to BB, it’s hella prestigious

Like swes going from BB to Google don’t get downleveled

[teal jackal]

The tech you'll do at Amazon will most likely be a little more interesting, but judging by how you didn't like Amazon I would just take Bloomberg

[wheat seal]

It’s big tech

[sweet urchin]

You said BB is as prestigious as G. That is objectively false by all accounts

[wheat seal]

Just go back and forth between google and bloomberg. And take bloomberg in the end

[teal jackal]

Bloomberg is great, it's Amazon tier probs

[wheat seal]

My point is, it doesn’t matter. It’s still extremely prestigious. Won’t have any issues moving elsewhere.

[teal jackal]

Under what circumstances does Google downlevel applicants?

[wheat seal]

If ur not from big tech

[teal jackal]

Ah, they downlevel applicants hopping from non-tech or local companies

[wheat seal]

Pretty much yea. Or just companies that aren’t as well known for their engineering

Or maybe u flopped a bit during interviews

[teal jackal]

I'm kinda banking on Bloomberg process working out for me, I like Bloomberg for its 3 month training program

But I heard c1 is pretty good too in terms of helping new grads get acclimated

I failed at Amazon because I'm bad with learning curves

Generally I do well after I overcome the curve

But climbing the curve beforehand is really tough for me

[wheat seal]

Maybe it just wasn’t a good team fit

[teal jackal]

True

[wheat seal]

Everyone has different learning curves

[teal jackal]

I feel like the mentorship at my team was not that good

[inner cape]

ngl amazon is known for being shit with getting acclimated

chances are your team members joined like 2 months before you did and had no idea what was going on

[teal jackal]

Mentor was hella busy

Seemed like his first concern was getting as many tasks on a laundry list of tasks checked off to get his promotion

Honestly I can't even hate myself for failing there anymore

[tardy geode]

i feel you bro same 😦

my mentor had a java backend background and i was doing more of frontend stuff which he had no clue 💀

[inner cape]

most of them are pigs 😂 they are just forced to do do it to get L5

mine just told me shit hated mentoring

[bronze nymph]

stop spreading misinfo please

bloomberg won't nego much other than signing bonus unless you have a crazy quant offer

and no, google wont be paying lower because of the climate

[wheat seal]

Oh okay

[bronze nymph]

there is little to no argument to ever justify bloomberg over google

[teal jackal]

Mine was L5 who just got promoted to L6, seemed to be chasing the promo train hardcore

Speedrun level growth

[wheat seal]

How do u know?

U negotiated recently?

[bronze nymph]

no, i haven't negotiated with google before, but their standard nyc offer is higher than bloomberg

[slate bobcat]

I thought it was around the same

[bronze nymph]

i've negotiated bloomberg with a higher tech offer and they gave me nothing

well close to nothing

[wheat seal]

Wasn’t big tech?

I mean given currently climate u don’t really know. If google can pay as high

[bronze nymph]

it was big tech, not sharing specifics

[wheat seal]

Oh okay

[bronze nymph]

idk

i closed it after 20 minutes

[wheat seal]

Why would they cancel all interns from returning as NG then

[bronze nymph]

pretty sure amazon's nyc offer is higher than bloomberg

[wheat seal]

Doesn’t make much sense

[bronze nymph]

i don't think they did, where did you get this from?

[wheat seal]

Google and meta did they not cancel interns from returning?

[bronze nymph]

meta gave returns to only ~10% or so, google isn't cancelling or doing anything similar

[wheat seal]

Oh okay. I think someone in this server was saying that

[bronze nymph]

maybe some interns who were on a PA with weaker headcounts dont get returns (<- this is just speculation fyi), but im pretty sure it's not as severe as meta

[wheat seal]

Oh okay

[native dawn]

how long does it take expedia to reply back after OA? I did it over a week ago and I passed test cases

[lone rapids]

any latex person here knows how to have '#' this symbol shown in latex

[wheat seal]

Also max said he was able to negotiate

With Bb

[vast mica]

I am seeing people getting reject even after solving the questions at Bloomberg. wtf is this ? I have phone interview coming up, can anybody give me any tips ?

[hasty birch]

\# I think

[lone rapids]

Ill try that thanks

[bronze nymph]

i was too, just not too much outside of y1

[wheat seal]

Yea thanks for clarifying, for some reason I thought Bbg paid way more

[vestal pelican]

How long does it take to hear back from IMC recruiter call

[static moth]

also ive heard that this is false. google will pretty much downlevel u unless u came from fb

according to blind kekw

[bronze nymph]

yea i think this is mostly true, they down level from most places other than big tech fb/amazon/apple, etc and they also care about YOE a lot

heard this from a mentor who used to work there, but it's prob a case by case thing

also, your interviews matter a crap ton too ofc

[autumn ridge]

My experience with their process seems like it's much more holistic then just can you solve the question correct. Theirs a significant amount of people that got rejected after EM round too.

[static moth]

anecdotally, sure, things can always happen

[wheat seal]

Yea true

[west egret]

I technically didn’t write a single line of code for q2 of my BB phone

[static moth]

i assume @bronze nymph is talking about the general case

[bronze nymph]

yessir 🫡

[west egret]

Literally spent like 30 minutes just talking about it

[vast mica]

what are your 2 cents then ?

[wheat seal]

Oh I only saw ur comment

[bronze nymph]

his comment applies too for the general case, google will downlevel from most places

[static moth]

ya

[primal pike]

was it nyc or London

[bronze nymph]

and even from other big tech, one slipup can prob get you downleveled too

[west egret]

NYC

[primal pike]

damn

[wheat seal]

Yea it’s competitive

[autumn ridge]

It's hard to know you would have the best insight having been in the interview but it could've been that communication or some part of the interaction that was non technical failed or the interviewer thought your solution was deficient for whatever reason

[primal pike]

u got a good interviewer

[west egret]

I was slowly progressing with my interviewer’s hints though

[wheat seal]

@sonic coral u saw my ping before?. I see u typing a lot lol

[primal pike]

no hints for me. solve or die

[sonic coral]

If you have at least 3 yoe you will get L4 imo assuming your prev company was large enough

[west egret]

Honestly she was super nice

[autumn ridge]

In VO I thought I failed one of the rounds due to a disagreement about BFS vs DFS that I was correct about but the interview kept stating that it was wrong

[west egret]

Very professional but chill

[sonic coral]

But yeah L5 to L4 downlevels are common as are L4->L3 to <3yoe

[sonic coral]

[wheat seal]

Tbh though that’s nice because u are more experienced so it’ll be a lot easier to handle the workload

[bronze nymph]

that sounds like a good blanket rule to me, yeah

[autumn ridge]

I've interview prepped with 3 separate people who got G offers last year and every one got downleveled from L4 to L3

[wheat seal]

Also who’d want to be l5 at faang tho tbh. L4 seems fine to me. Extremely high pay still and less stress

[sonic coral]

Yeah and L3->L4 is like 2 years for most people anyway

[sonic coral]

How much yoe

[autumn ridge]

All but 1 ended up not taking G bc the comp isn't competitive between other companies L4

[autumn ridge]

2-4 years

[wheat seal]

Damn 4yrs experience up their with NG swe ?

[west egret]

Isn’t having G basically auto pass on every resume screen for the rest of your career though?

[sonic coral]

The 4 years people what companies were they at before

[autumn ridge]

Doesn't really matter IMO if you have comparable companies. The two that passed took Spotify and Doordash for like 20-40% more money

[wheat seal]

I’m suprised Spotify pays more than google

Levels says otherwise

[autumn ridge]

Spotify L4 vs google L3

[west egret]

Yeah true. Some people also just want to chill and not constantly job hop.

[wheat seal]

Also G is more stable too

[autumn ridge]

That was my point they didn't get downleveled at other companies so Google offer wasn't very competitive

Yeah that's true this was pre hiring freezes so most people weren't super worried about that lol

[wheat seal]

Also even then internal promotion is way better in google than Spotify

[teal jackal]

Does Spotify actually pay well

[wheat seal]

So I’m suprised he’d take Spotify

[teal jackal]

For similar level

[west egret]

Imagine if G ever went bankrupt

[wheat seal]

134k tc ng in NYC

[teal jackal]

Spotify sadly doesn't do new grad, they hire for individual roles

[wheat seal]

https://www.levels.fyi/companies/spotify/salaries/software-engineer

[wheat seal]

They do Ng. They take return interns for Ng

Same with mongodb

[teal jackal]

OK kinda not too sad their interview email last summer ended up in my spam folder

That's not crazy

[autumn ridge]

Spotify also lets you pick how much comp is stock vs cash

[teal jackal]

But I mean they don't hire outside new grads

[autumn ridge]

So if you cared a lot about not having stock exposure spotify would be pretty high up as far as possible cash comp

[teal jackal]

They don't have a new grad program, instead we have to duke it out directly over predefined roles that only hire one person per role anyways

[autumn ridge]

I had a recruiter call for wish.com and I just looked at levels before taking the call. Holy look at this stock graph lol

[teal jackal]

A lot of cool companies have an infinitely better intern to new grad pipeline compared to their options for new grads

Like unity

[autumn ridge]

are they going to go bankrupt?

[sonic coral]

Ngl I would totally hop to Spotify in the future

I love their product

[teal jackal]

I kinda feel like I wish I took the intern search more seriously earlier

Like sophomore-junior year faang

And worked my way to unicorns and other really interesting/really high potential companies as a junior to senior intern

[autumn ridge]

idk always easy to look back in hindsight. Look at all the Fb interns that are in the same spot

Same deal for me with Snap I was hyped bc their return offer rate was supposedly like 80%

[teal jackal]

Yeah

For my new grad search I'm trying my best to keep up with the most competitive applicants because I'm tired of being a year late to everything(relative to gigatryhards)

This is the time I close the gap and catch up once and for all

Ideally

[wheat seal]

Have u tried ripplematch?

[autumn ridge]

chill brenda

[teal jackal]

OK Brennan delsing

[wheat seal]

I think also recruiters r way more responsive

On ripplematch

[floral plank]

Qualtrics rejected me on ripplematch lol

[teal jackal]

i havent really seen many good companies on RM other than ddog, ebay

[floral plank]

twice

[teal jackal]

qualtrics is on RM?

[floral plank]

yea

[teal jackal]

ive never seen em before

[floral plank]

zillow as well but is for intern

two sigma

[wheat seal]

I got rejected by ddog

[floral plank]

crowdstrike

SAP

[fossil jewel]

cute office too

[teal jackal]

i have not seen those either

[floral plank]

Nutanix

[fossil jewel]

just manifesting bbg

[wheat seal]

Yea RM is great

[floral plank]

RM is good when looking for your first jobs

[weak latch]

isnt ripplematch basically just brennan dielsing spam

[wheat seal]

Ru international?

[wheat seal]

Yea

[floral plank]

No

[weak latch]

nothing actually useful

[wheat seal]

She’s a person tho

[fossil jewel]

RM is legit but their matches arent that good

[weak latch]

my ripplematch always just has internships pop up

even tho i put seeking full time

💀

[teal jackal]

yeah i agree with this, there's a lot of spam for me

[wheat seal]

Well they have Trimble, cockroachDB, plenty

[fossil jewel]

like i have it specified that i am only looking for NYC locations only but then i see some shit in WI

[floral plank]

Ripplematch helped me for only united health

[teal jackal]

i get an absurd amount of quant on my ripplematch tho

have not applied to any tho

[fossil jewel]

they never match me with those places

[wheat seal]

I Mean rm increases response rate

[weak latch]

no

no shot

[wheat seal]

I got matched with roach but never heard back. Probably are super selective since I’m growing stage now

[fossil jewel]

maybe only roblox and they did reach out a month later

also cockroachDB, hell no

wtf is that name i hate roaches

[wheat seal]

I haven’t heard of any1 here heard from roach

[teal jackal]

roblox is on RM?

wtf?

[fossil jewel]

ye thats how i applied

[wheat seal]

Idk too much. It’s a combo of sql and nosql

[teal jackal]

wtf? since when

[fossil jewel]

august

ebay too it seems

[wheat seal]

Oh okay

[teal jackal]

is 812 good enough for a codesignal score to just YOLO a roblox app

[wheat seal]

But really small classs sizes right like 50?

[autumn ridge]

Ripple match has been pretty lame for me. The companies they show suck.

[wheat seal]

It’s actually nosql

[wheat seal]

Oh nvm

[fossil jewel]

idk why my grad date is off

[wheat seal]

Ur right

Yea ur right

[teal jackal]

ive NEVER seen this before

wow

lucky

should i wait for an 830+ or just give them an 812

for Codesignal

i would have had an 830 if my Q3 didnt have the most inane and absurd input formatting on earth

[wheat seal]

Oh wow yea prob why I haven’t heard back

[teal jackal]

i kinda brute forced finding the O(N) solution on Q4

that took me an eternity tbh

i eneded up just sending ziprecruiter my 812

10/16 is when i get another codesignal try

im excited

the bloom institute of technology link is so OP

[wheat seal]

I think 800 would be good enough for every company no?

[compact sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-minecraft-memes-fortnite-steve-mmeme-gif-24730414

[teal jackal]

i heard 840 is allegedly the bar for roblox

allegedly

that is a completely unscientific claim

[wheat seal]

Ppl have gotten interviews with 700 codesignal tho

I even got an interview at Pin last year with a 730 codesignal

A final round lol

[teal jackal]

i think ill probably YOLO my codesignal, and then do the brian teaser minigames

[fossil jewel]

last year

[teal jackal]

ill YOLO send my 812 probs

[lone rapids]

Bruh when does roblox reach back after OA

[teal jackal]

if they dont ur probably rj

[wheat seal]

Well In the spring of this year technically

[sonic coral]

Their office is def sick

It’s in wtc

[teal jackal]

ill probably give it til the 16th to try again with codesignal

[wheat seal]

Better than G’s?

[fossil jewel]

they interviewed me back for a role for summer 21 and i didnt get it

[teal jackal]

if i cant do better than an 812 my next attempt, im just gonna submit for roblox

[lone rapids]

Im pinging recruiter this Monday for roblox if i don’t hear back i need the next round

[fossil jewel]

had nothing on my resume i was shook

[wheat seal]

I feel like with amazon and 800+ codesignal it’s almost no way u get rejected off of that screen

[teal jackal]

• im cs+game dev

literally passionate about games

and shit

[floral plank]

It seems that for roblox it mostly depends on resume

[teal jackal]

i would hope

that helps

[floral plank]

and the games

[teal jackal]

but probs no0t

[fossil jewel]

[wheat seal]

Oh so u really want Roblox then

[teal jackal]

tbh if i get rj its whatever

id rather maximize my chances but im not gonna cry if i get rj from them

doesnt live in my head rent free but it would be cool to get in

[wheat seal]

I doubt most interviewers would get 800+ codesignal lol

Tbh

[floral plank]

codesignal is pretty rng

[fossil jewel]

codesignal's trash i hate that shit

[floral plank]

I am trash at interviewing and got 838 lol

[wheat seal]

It’s a bad system u have to wait 2 weeks before taking again

[wheat seal]

I took it like 3 times and got low to mid 700s

[fossil jewel]

nah in terms of evaluating candidates i dont think its the best system

4 questions in 70 minutes

[hexed moth]

i could believe that

especially with how much amazon puts on oa2

[weak latch]

i've taken like 5 codesignals

[wheat seal]

Yea it’s pretty silly. One thing I should’ve done though is looked at the topics for q4 and focused on that instead of more advanced algos. I could solve a bunch of dp med problems too on my own. But think I dove too deep

[weak latch]

highest i ever got was 738

#4 cucks me literally every time

when i take the practice i get 820+

real one comes, 738

[fossil jewel]

cant even do dp ez

[autumn ridge]

Codesignal would be fine if they didn’t time out the tests and every application was a unique exam. The issue is if you and someone else apply and this is your first codesignal but it could be someone else’s best out of 6 attempts over 12 weeks

[teal jackal]

you know if you got unlimited tries with no cooldown restrictions, everyone would have an 849

[wheat seal]

Fr lol. I could see why they do that then

[autumn ridge]

I don’t see how codesignal avoids this with the 2 week timeout. You still can take the test 24 times a year

[teal jackal]

but the thing is that 2 weeks in the recruiting world is a long time

companies post and close in that span

[lime heron]

that’s why good guy hrt requires one in last 2 weeks

[wheat seal]

Idk I’ve seen scores very drastically between ppl here

That have taken the test many times

Seems like most ppl experience the same

It’s rng at times

[lime heron]

Same for peoples sat, doing a code signal practice exam is good for making you better

[tardy geode]

i have seen people cheat on codesignal and get some 800+ shiz

[teal jackal]

i doubt roblox will be closed by the 16th, because their hiring bar is insane, i think i can afford to wait untl the 16th to try again and then use the best of my 2 scores

[wheat seal]

Yea I think that’s good idea. I focused too much on dp.

[teal jackal]

wow

hm i guess i wont wait then

812 is reportedly good enough that my personal merits and game score results would matter more

[fossil jewel]

gl

[lime heron]

If u got perfect on game score ur probably good

[fossil jewel]

i think games matter more

[teal jackal]

last year i shit the bed

with the games

[nocturne oriole]

I have seen even cracked people get a low score because of a tough q4. A death sentence for sure.

But that’s like 1 out of 10 times

[teal jackal]

the car game fucked me

[nocturne oriole]

Most times u should be getting 820

[wheat seal]

Like ppl with quant offers?

[lime heron]

most other people I talked to that got it last yr w me got the oa

Like perfect

I don’t think I met anyone there that didn’t

Code signals varied

Some might have even had less than 800 if I remember

[wheat seal]

I feel like the best strat is just to look at q4 topics and just do that do prepare for codesignal. Since 1 and 2 are basically free. That’s what I’d do next time if I had to take codesignal

[teal jackal]

last time i did a CS, i got an intervals problem

it was so obvious too

should have been an easy one

but i shit the bed and it just didnt come to me how to achieve the problem in a linear time

[nocturne oriole]

Yes actually

[teal jackal]

but i think back then, i didnt realize that "not linear time = death" for q4

[nocturne oriole]

Like the gamut of q4 includes omega hard

[teal jackal]

the gotcha with q4 is that it has to be linear time

nlogn at worst

[wheat seal]

Oh yea I’m not that cracked lol. I just meant like if ur decent I feel like u can work up to an 800 or at the very least a high 700

[teal jackal]

i realize that i was actually lucky with my attempt aw hile back, just being stupid

[lime heron]

No, u just have to look at input size

[wheat seal]

Yea that’s what I noticed too. Most of the time it’s really simple. Just needs optimization

It could be nlogn or n

For q4

Anything quadratic won’t pass

[teal jackal]

i was like "why is my O(nm) solution not working hurr durr"

[wheat seal]

Like for my q4 I literally got a leetcode contest question multiple times when I googled after lol

[teal jackal]

i should have been looking at O(n + m) time

[wheat seal]

I took codesignal like 3 times

[lime heron]

… just look at input size computer does about ~1e8 to 1e9 ops per second

[teal jackal]

my most recent codesignal i realized right off the bat that the expectation is O(n)

so that helped

[wheat seal]

U needed to know binary search and prefix sum to optimize the q4 questions#

[teal jackal]

i jumped straight into thinking of a linear thought process with q4

like doing examples on paper

only problem was that that was hella time consuming

zero time for q3

but at least i got q4

[wheat seal]

Was that the one where u got 812

[teal jackal]

yeah

[wheat seal]

Yea I mean anything 800+ I feel like doesn’t really matter it’s really the same

I got pin onsite with a 730

[teal jackal]

maybe we have the tendency to overestimate how important codesignal is

probably gonna apply before tuesday

sometime this long weekend

and do the minigames

[wheat seal]

I feel like q4 can be really rng. It’s what can tank ur score or boost it

Like q4 u have to know how to optimize

Brute force for q4 is usually really simple

[teal jackal]

im also gonna tweak my resume a bit too, and add my current game dev capstone to it(a multiplayer game, but we really only have the unity netcode skeleton down for it and even the netcode skeleton doesnt work as intended)

[teal jackal]

yeah i agree, if its not at least O(nlogn) its wrong

the slogan for q4

universal truth

[wheat seal]

Personal projects it doesn’t matter. As long as it’s something challenging to u can tell a story about

[wheat seal]

Yea, u have to know sometimes unique ways of optimizing too. Like binary search w/ prefix sum. Didn’t even realize that was a thing but I guess it makes sense because prefix sum qualified for binary search. But thinking of that on the fly just seems rough

[teal jackal]

my last problem, thinking about it, was prefix sum

[wheat seal]

Yea I’ve only done like 1 easy prefix sum problem and even then I’m horrible at it

[teal jackal]

basically, given a list of towers with heights, you wanna make it so that all towers are strictly ascending or descending by one unit

and you can only add more units to towers

whats the minimum additions

wow i didnt even know what paradigm my problem was

[teal jackal]

thanks for telling me about prefix sum

[wheat seal]

Yea np

[teal jackal]

counterpoint: colonel sanders founded KFC at like 60

[wheat seal]

It really shows that it’s overkill to overly focus on DP and advanced algos

Like focus on solidifying the basics instead

What I’ll probably do next time I need to do codesignal

[teal jackal]

quicksort/quickselect breaks my brain

[wheat seal]

Oh yea lol. Idk y ppl even ask that, seems silly

[teal jackal]

tbh

[wheat seal]

I still don’t fully understand quicksort - partition kinda makes sense and then splitting portion is like merge sort so I get that

It’s just not something I’m going to remember all the time

Partitioning is a bit tricky

[teal jackal]

i feel like grokking is pretty good for that reason
grokking goes balls deep into a lot of weird paradigms that you wouldnt think to look into if grokking didnt tell u about it

[wheat seal]

Merge sort is really simple though

Yea

[teal jackal]

thats too big brained

im just gonna allocate O(nlogn) worth of new lists

on god

[wheat seal]

I’ve actually never learned quickselect

Only looked at quicksort

And mergesort

[teal jackal]

quickselect is inch resting

[wheat seal]

I should really start looking at this stuff again to make next job search easier

[teal jackal]

i feel like doing pointer/memory manipulations in place is a really tough problem

[wheat seal]

I feel like if I did internship prep in college I’d be much better off

[teal jackal]

id try to study more problems that involve doing memory manipulation in place

[teal jackal]

so true

everyone wishes they knew this shit earlier

[wheat seal]

I just did Ng search

[teal jackal]

like i have never met anyone before, when presented with this kind of knowledge and insights into job searching, wish they didnt know all of this

[wheat seal]

U didn’t do Kadane but know shortest path algo?

[teal jackal]

did someone say lasagna

[wheat seal]

Nah lol, was autocorrect

[teal jackal]

not lasagna

[wheat seal]

Oh okay

U didn’t mark kadane though

Like it’s gray

Oh I see u used “!”

[sweet urchin]

damn the runescape ignore symbol

classic

[fickle bridge]

lmao

[compact sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/pov-overwatch-gif-23915166

[teal jackal]

http://luffaren.com/

tbh this guy is my idol

this guy basically pioneered CSGO zombie escape as we know it

he's also a regular in the GFL zombie escape server and super approachable

[timber rock]

has anyone done gsk job sim

maybe im just stupid but i have done 5 multiple choice maths questions and none of them have had my answer as an option

and the question is getting people's names wrong and shit when it says to read these emails lol

[lament summit]

whats gsk

[timber rock]

biotech company

[fair plinth]

Yeah

[marsh sand]

Any tips for Palantir SWE New Grad Interview?

[gleaming fable]

Pretend you don't have morals

[small mountain]

lol

[slate bobcat]

!avatar @small mountain

[earnest warren]

Avatar for kw#1337

Link as

png | jpg | gif

[small mountain]

i feel exposed

[earnest warren]

Avatar for KushP#6798

Link as

png | jpg | webp

[teal jackal]

i hate being a part of so many group projects
my brain no keep track

if i had a choice

only group project id do is game dev capstone

[wheat seal]

Would u want to work for epic games?

Like for Fortnite?

[teal jackal]

yeah

hell yeah

[wheat seal]

I think epic games doesn’t have a lot of swe

[teal jackal]

Yeah

You gotta get in on the few openings they post

Unity new grad does that too

Kinda regret wasting intern chances, next station is SE2

Waiting just sucks tbh

[shrewd ivy]

💀 I missed an invite to interview email from september rip

[grizzled bronze]

Email them back they may still give you a chance

[shrewd ivy]

just did

[prime palm]

same

[lament summit]

u will

both of u

[prime palm]

r u in the process? @azure oar

[lament summit]

[prime palm]

what's on your resume

yoo same

wth

[primal pike]

yoo not same

[late kestrel]

me 2. gl to everyone in here, keep grinding, theres hella light at the end of the tunnel

[austere grove]

@soft radish here

Palantir?

I think they’re basically the best tech company you can get hired at rn

Or 2nd after Roblox

Makes sense

Did you take HM already

Does anyone know the reject rate after HM

Yeah

I had my HM recently

It seems like most people get cut after the on-site

Is it mostly based on whether u solve the leetcode

?

I feel like my behavioral went well but it’s hard to tell

Lc I solved within a few minutes

Yeah

I’d be surprised if a Ng makes it through without having to code tho tbh

No it was last week

[gleaming fable]

multiple group projects sounds terrible, I'm lucky af I was always able to do em one at a time

[crude saffron]

Mage

I’m in Vegas

Yes

[gleaming fable]

I just passed through vegas last week when moving

[austere grove]

How long is the flight

[gleaming fable]

ugly ass city ngl

[crude saffron]

No I’m literally at the bellagio waiting for a seat

My name on the steam was dev g

This was in Austin tho

[austere grove]

They call you devg?

Lmaoo

[crude saffron]

The young Asian male person

[austere grove]

Nah don’t cap

[crude saffron]

Yes I asked to be called that

[austere grove]

Ur the gray hair dude on the thumbnail

[crude saffron]

Ok

He was bad

[austere grove]

Anyone probably looks bad in ur games 🙄

Don’t u keep track of like 80 variables in ur head when you play

[crude saffron]

I played p bad

I don’t play live often

[austere grove]

You just need to play more tables on ur phone simultaneously

Then you’d do better live

Also I’m praying everyone else failed the question for palantir

[teal jackal]

Find a recruiter my dood

[teal jackal]

It 100% sucks, I'm just in so many project based classes rn. 4/4 of my classes. I hate this tbh lmao

[crude saffron]

I normally play 4-8 tables online

[austere grove]

If they’re stack ranking other people have to fail for me to get in

[austere grove]

Yeah so just play 3 tables on ur phone live

Same I need an offer

I don’t think I sounded culty enough tho on the phone

I should have acted like I wanted palantir out of the womb

As a child, palantir was my 3rd word after mama and papa

[crude saffron]

How do u pass the palantir recruiter scrrrn

[teal jackal]

I need help too

What kind of questions does the recruiter ask

I feel like palantir definitely really cares about being okay morally with the sus work they do for the government

What did they ask

[austere grove]

Just normal shit

Lmao

[teal jackal]

Yeah I was trolling

Something something palantir products are cool and their applications are cool

And do good stuff

[austere grove]

Wait did you bring up palantir product in the HM call

@queen valve

[teal jackal]

Stutf stuff stuff

Did u icarus

[austere grove]

Oh

Fuck

[teal jackal]

Hm should I not stress abt the recruiter call

Just have good behavioral stories and explain why palantir in a convincing way

And I'll be fine

[young peak]

Hows my weekend grinders doing

Ey Hachi

hows the hunt

[austere grove]

Lol why are u anxious don’t you have like Optiver or some shut

Yeah quant sucks

I cancelled half my quant interviews

[young peak]

EM rounds at BB are literally just a formality

[austere grove]

Cap

Ik someone got rejected after yeah

[young peak]

lmfao wtf

[austere grove]

It wasn’t his fault tho

[young peak]

that person has personality issues

[austere grove]

The interviewer

Just didn’t show up basically

Like shortened interview

[young peak]

skill issue tbh

gotta email/call do whatever you gotta do

[austere grove]

I have bbg phone Monday

But im not counting on anything g

I basically am almost certain I won’t be getting offer for bbg

Bar too high

[young peak]

Dont worry, just show up on time and have a couple of good work cycle related Qs ready

[young peak]

naw don't worry its just rng

[austere grove]

Yeah whether ur interviewer shows up

[young peak]

my EM round was just an OOD round + questions

[austere grove]

My one flaked on my last time

And got rescheduled to 3 weeks later

[young peak]

Something similar happened with me TWICE at tiktok. The interviewers kept getting covid

[austere grove]

I think they low key just don’t want us and they’re putting us on a rescheduling loop

[young peak]

still got the offer tho

[austere grove]

Tbh

[young peak]

Just accept the IMC offer already

why are you dragging your heels with them? It's the only quant you got, so no way you'd get a nego-ed offer out of em

[austere grove]

Quant isn’t good