2023_grads

[austere grove]

https://youtu.be/XlBUfZYzeM8

[outer radish]

[austere grove]

Bouta be me

[earnest summit]

Rent would be gas to power your generators and stuff

[azure zephyr]

same lmaoooo

[austere grove]

You have amazon right

[azure zephyr]

yes

[austere grove]

@outer radish you do too

I would not take nextdoor over amazon lol

[azure zephyr]

twins

ok everyone has their opinion about amazon

but amazon is not a company i want to join

[compact obsidian]

for wlb reasons?

[austere grove]

I had both last year

[fleet flare]

aws?

[compact obsidian]

tbh amazon aint that bad in terms of wlb

[azure zephyr]

wlb & culture reasons. im not tryna be scared every time my manager says a word that starts with P

[austere grove]

You’ll at least have a job and resume value from it

[compact obsidian]

like you'll burn out

but like

[radiant juniper]

if you have a really cool team at

[compact obsidian]

that's gotten be at least 3-4 years before you do

[radiant juniper]

Amazon

[compact obsidian]

just leave before u burn out

:]

[outer radish]

i didnt get the return offer from amazon

so

fml

[austere grove]

Wait did you intern there

[azure zephyr]

nah

i got in early this cycle

[austere grove]

Don’t believe shit you read online

I interned at amazon and I had a grea texp

[compact obsidian]

well intern is different than fulltime

[low scroll]

@austere grove how did you fall from grace sir

[outer radish]

i interned at amazon and they literally beat me wit java

[azure zephyr]

i understand that, but the gamble is just really stressful for me

[austere grove]

Hrt -> homeless

[compact obsidian]

i did jack all for my amazon intern

[austere grove]

Nextdoor will be way more stressful when they lay you off

Trust me

Do not take it over nextdoor

[low scroll]

holy 🔥

[compact obsidian]

but one of the denior devs on my team was working like 5 am - 6 pm

[azure zephyr]

i'm currently signed with amazon but looking for something i feel more comfortable with

[outer radish]

whats ur beef with nextdoor tho

[austere grove]

I transitioned but it used up all my money

[outer radish]

like whats wrong with them

[austere grove]

They offered me a lot less than I was expecting lol

[compact obsidian]

literally everyone tho

[teal jackal]

scream fortress 2022 finally dropped

[maiden fable]

guys whats happening with microsoft

[teal jackal]

🔥

[austere grove]

Yeah Hudson River

[maiden fable]

if i apply again with a referral would that help

[low scroll]

they're not hiring

[azure zephyr]

homie wants nextdoor to burn

[compact obsidian]

no headcount is filled

once it's filled nothing recruiters can do

[austere grove]

Yeah palantir HM

[outer radish]

aii i mean that doesnt sound like the worst thing in the world

considering i have no job atm

[compact obsidian]

unless they find extra money lying around somewhere

[outer radish]

so anything +0 is better

[austere grove]

Oh yeah it’s better than no job

[azure zephyr]

im not trying to get google rn

[teal jackal]

yeah getting paid less than expected is not hte worst fate anymore

[maiden fable]

howwww, my friend last year got an offer in fucking April

[austere grove]

But if you take I’d id still intebriew just in case

[outer radish]

yo did you get HR call first?

[compact obsidian]

last year

[teal jackal]

harder than getting into harvard, statistically

[compact obsidian]

this year is recession

xd

[maiden fable]

omg

[azure zephyr]

their TC for new grad seems to be like 140+ tho

[azure zephyr]

yeah i did! i emailed the recruiter back with my availability so waiting on scheduling. do you know if there's an OA after? or straight into final?

[austere grove]

I don’t think it’s that easy to get pipped

[azure zephyr]

who even knows at this point man

[austere grove]

You have to be pretty incompetent t

[compact obsidian]

nah

manager has pip power

[austere grove]

People cope o line

Online*

[compact obsidian]

and upper management sometimes just says "pip bottom 10%"

[austere grove]

They say they were hired to fire but I doubt it happens that much@lmao

[outer radish]

tbh idek

[austere grove]

It’s just a bunch of incompetent people coping on blind

[compact obsidian]

doesn't matter if your entire team is cracked

[outer radish]

i swear some people got an OA instead of the HR call

[austere grove]

I guarantee you this doesn’t matter

It’s bottom 5% of a whole org

[outer radish]

so i think we move right onto the interview but no one seems to know too much about hem

[austere grove]

You have no idea what ur talking about

[azure zephyr]

so...this is good you think? i literally heard from the recruiter 30 mins after i applied

[outer radish]

yeah i think its a good ting

[austere grove]

Their intevruew bar is absurdly low

They ask like

Yes some are

1 leetcode easy or medium

And it’s an instant offer

It’s not surprising a lot of people get pipped

[outer radish]

i had a referral connection so should be good

[austere grove]

But people who do get pipped cope online about it

[azure zephyr]

nice when is your hr call?

[teal jackal]

amazon process is fast, the absolute fastest among big N companies

[austere grove]

I would not take everything you read about amazon straight up

It’s probably worse for new grad but there is no bad

[teal jackal]

amazon has a learning curve to it though

[austere grove]

Bar for new grad

I can probably get a mentally disabled person into amazon new grad if they get the OA

[teal jackal]

amazon culture has a learning curve, and you get no grace time to learn it

[teal jackal]

ok chill now

thats too far

[austere grove]

The interveiw just reviews your OA

Lol

[azure zephyr]

you sound so arrogant rn homie. are you from a top school?

[austere grove]

For new grad

[teal jackal]

i feel like thats hella rude to say

thats all

[austere grove]

Lmao it’s just a very low bar

[teal jackal]

i agree that the 1x30 process is scuffed

[austere grove]

Don’t worry about getting pipped

[teal jackal]

but its just rude

[austere grove]

I doubt you will

[austere grove]

It’s just the truth you can fully cheat ur way through amazon process easily

[teal jackal]

Amazon culture has a learning curve, and they don't give much gracetime for you to get used to it. Bloomberg does 3 months of new grad training which i think is great

[austere grove]

What is a culture learning curve I did my intern project in 2 weeks

[azure zephyr]

^ this. they throw you straight into the deep end and i imagine that's very stressful. if i have to work a ton of hours i'd rather do it with a team that's fostering my growth

[teal jackal]

i know, i just felt like it was kinda edgy to say it in that way

[austere grove]

They don’t

[teal jackal]

whatever bro

[austere grove]

I did my intern projects in 2 weeks I spent most of my internship playing league of legends

[timber rock]

doubt they ask easies for ng since they can ask hards for internship

[teal jackal]

not everyone is a fast moving self starter who goes in knowing everything

dont @ me i see no point in debating this

[austere grove]

My point is amazon isn’t that bad

My project was fun, expectations reasonable

Coworkers were nice

[azure zephyr]

no bitches? 😢

[night magnet]

Holy

[late kestrel]

yall are talking about a company with literally a million teams

[night magnet]

No advice but ur goated

[dusty basin]

It depends on the team tbh

[austere grove]

Yeah this too

[night magnet]

Never gotten a response from aapl

[teal jackal]

yeah good culture is team dependent

[dusty basin]

I’m straight chillin

[floral plank]

I mean they are a Maang

[teal jackal]

id say that amazon, knowing youre on a good team >>>>> a TON of companies

[austere grove]

Yeah worst case you have a year of amazon on ur resume

[dusty basin]

Problem is as a student hire, the team rng sucks ass

[austere grove]

And 3 months of paid interview prep

[teal jackal]

this tbh

[azure zephyr]

just jokes, but yeah i know some people have a great time some people have a terrible time. my fear is that the variation is so strong that i have no idea what i'm going to get

[teal jackal]

i got placed on a team with bad intern mentorship

felt like nobody was happy to answer questions

[austere grove]

They probably didn’t know how

[ebon quiver]

is aws a good team

[teal jackal]

the team seems pretty good if youre already familiar with the internal environment

[warm sky]

aws is too large to generalize

[teal jackal]

but my team was not good for learning and growth

[austere grove]

I think aws had the worse teams

[ebon quiver]

nice!

[austere grove]

Has*

[warm sky]

aws is very tough if you're on a mission critical team

[grizzled bronze]

That's bullshit. You gotta do good on your LPs too and they're not doing much 30 minute interviews anymore. Some grads have also been getting new LC problems for the 30 minute round too.

[austere grove]

You probably won’t get laid off tho

That’s the +

[ebon quiver]

isnt that good

[warm sky]

I was in aws gametech and found it to be pretty chill though, great mentorship and everyone was super generous with their time

[ebon quiver]

i feel like ud get rlly good experience on a mission crirical team

[grizzled bronze]

That's bullshit. You gotta do good on your LPs too and they're not doing much 30 minute interviews anymore. Some grads have also been getting new LC problems for the 30 minute round too.

[austere grove]

30 minute leetcode question

[teal jackal]

my mentor didnt like making time for me

so it was tough

[warm sky]

good for learning but some people don't want to work 60 hrs a week

[ebon quiver]

guys if you wouldnt mind taking a look if u have a chance: https://discord.com/channels/698366411864670250/1027307983442554941

[teal jackal]

mentor vouches for return offer as all mentors and managers do, but skip was unimpressed

[austere grove]

Also maybe but other companies do like 5 hours of technical interviews for new grad

[ebon quiver]

thats fair

[ebon quiver]

and they pay less which is crazy

[austere grove]

No but amazon has a high pip rate for a reason

And that’s the reason

[ebon quiver]

yeah but thats only if ur bottom 10%

[grizzled bronze]

That still doesn't make Amazon as easy as you're trying to make it seem, it's RNG. For some it could be easy, others can get hard problems.

[ebon quiver]

p sure the 30 min thing is gone

its now 2 60 min

thats what i had

[austere grove]

Yeah rng is a large factor but if you look at at the process website, Amazon has the highest ratio of final:offer

[warm sky]

Amazon technicals are super random, I've heard of some people getting 2sum and others getting hard graph or DP problems

[austere grove]

If you have an amazon offer just take it lol, good name and pip isn’t something you should be worried about

[ebon quiver]

thats true

[ebon quiver]

i agree.

[austere grove]

I’m not bashing on amazon

[dusty basin]

It’s because they hire the most in general

And also they care more about LPs

[austere grove]

My time there was pretty good, biggest problem was it’s in Seattle and the dev tools are kinda bad

[dusty basin]

Dev tools are ass ngl

[ebon quiver]

i thought seattle office was good

bruh all i want from a company is free fod

like ill do anything for that

[austere grove]

seattle the city itself just seems depressing

i was remote but the way my mentor described it

sounded awful

[calm shale]

u can also do amazon front end

[austere grove]

amazon barely has a front end so i imagine this is nice

[calm shale]

ez lc and some react challenges

[celest whale]

Seattle summers are amazing. Winters r shitty tho

Raining all the time

[celest whale]

It’s insane how much they care about LPs. They judged me on the basis of LPs during my midterm intern eval lol

[tardy geode]

fr?

[austere grove]

yeah they make u overfit ur experience into some google doc about hte LPs

[calm shale]

ye

• lp ofc

[lament summit]

well fk

[tardy geode]

i am good in react

[lament summit]

SH is mia

[tardy geode]

like damn good

[calm shale]

lmao apply to front end new grad then

[ebon quiver]

hey can u take a loook at this please: https://discord.com/channels/698366411864670250/1027307983442554941

[ebon quiver]

you too jz https://discord.com/channels/698366411864670250/1027307983442554941

[tardy geode]

How many rounds does FE NG Amzn have?

[ebon quiver]

[calm shale]

everyone i talked to was telling me how much they need front end ppl rn

[calm shale]

1 technical + 3 technical

[tardy geode]

what about ng fe?

[lament summit]

why me

[tardy geode]

front end

[ebon quiver]

u seem like a smart guy. j wanan see ur opinion

[lament summit]

im def not

[tardy geode]

yea gibjob smart af

[ebon quiver]

oh ok

[strange ore]

does ziprecruiter do auto oas?

[lament summit]

no

source: me

i didnt get one

[tardy geode]

does black friday have good deals on ipads? like ipad pro?

or getting it now would n't have much difference?

[calm shale]

wym for industry

[tardy geode]

he meant for lateral hires

i mean people who tryna switch

[calm shale]

ah

[tardy geode]

btw is BB phone after resume screen?

[lime current]

does anyone know about Poly.AI?

[azure zephyr]

if you go to apple store you can get student discount AND get a $150 apple gift card lol

[lament summit]

bros calling me smart when he has meta and twitter

[outer radish]

holy shit industry hire loop is rough

[lament summit]

[outer radish]

are these all meds or sys design as well

top of the band for industry hire isnt not too far off from student programs tho is it?

[ebon quiver]

I wish I got more interviews to show for it 😦

oh damn fr? I didn't know that

[runic wind]

I thought as an industry hire you can?

[runic wind]

This is true for sde

[calm shale]

so industry hire, even for sde1 is negotiable?

[outer radish]

has anyone done okta OA tho?

[primal pike]

d2l oa anyone

[outer radish]

yeah, did u do it?

[compact obsidian]

probably

amazon is waitlisting ppl

and isn't sending out OAs rn

[fallen fox]

cursed year

its over

[compact obsidian]

i have referral and still haven't gotten amazon oa lul

[grizzled bronze]

Just apply and forget about it unless you hear back, keep applying other places

[compact obsidian]

applied like 2 months ago

[fallen fox]

no one knows for sure

[compact obsidian]

maybe for a small number of ppl

[ebon quiver]

they waitlisting anyway

even if u do pass the interview and everything

[compact obsidian]

ye sadge

[fallen fox]

apparently someone posted a photo of a zon recruiter saying "they're still hiring"

[ebon quiver]

[fallen fox]

everyone on waitlist will get an offer for sure

[ebon quiver]

wait what does the waitlist email look like

mine j says offer not guaranteed. sde intake form

is that it ?

yeah

yeah

it says the feedback was good

but we cant guarantee u an offer

its like bruh then wtf

are u interviewing

whats the percentage chance of me getting off waitlist

i put that location is not an issue and that im open to relocating anywhere

whats happening in april

[compact obsidian]

the world ends

[ebon quiver]

fuck

[hasty birch]

Graduation for most people in this channel

[ebon quiver]

lmao

im p much alr there

[hasty birch]

That's December for me

[compact obsidian]

reject industry become grad student

[ebon quiver]

my recruiter said this: Due to the limited number of openings for the Software Development Engineer role, our team plans to wrap up our hiring process by the middle of October.

🤷‍♂️

can u guys pray for me thanks

one of the few interviews i got

i passed and i still dont get a guaranteed job

[celest whale]

Has apple responded to anyone for their evolve program positions?

[ebon quiver]

i didnt hear back. obv

[celest whale]

Their rotation program for new grads

[marble bronze]

Bad ending: Economy gets even worse in the 1-2 years that you're a grad student

[calm shale]

[primal pike]

nope was it hard

dont even know what d2l is

[celest whale]

“Upon successful completion of the program, you will transition into a non-rotating role within Apple.”

Yeah

[teal jackal]

Where

[silk cape]

anyone interview with Gem?

[outer radish]

Naw didnt do it yet

Its a local company that makes stuff like eclass or moodle or quercus

[wheat seal]

Idk

I think it’ll get better

Companies have to hire at some point

[marble bronze]

It will get better

but when

[wheat seal]

I can’t imagine them not hiring in 2 years

But u guys really think they won’t hire in 2 years from now?

Or even a year

[low scroll]

gem has a 5 hour onsite? wtf?

[wheat seal]

That just seems too long

[tardy geode]

solved an unseen medium problem in one go ,

[peak ferry]

if the recession actually hits bad the market will defo be fucked in a year

rn is like pre-recession big tech is getting cold feet but the economy hasn't actually shit the bed yet. if a recession hits it's not gonna be recovered within 12mo

[smoky lodge]

Average person lives through 7-8 recession

“Once in a lifetime”

bs

[low scroll]

spitting

cap

[peak ferry]

well I just saw them confirm that they rescinded london intern offers, which is a big fucking yikes to me

[low scroll]

2008

2020

[latent sun]

ngl taking that with a grain of salt

the guy

that tweeted that

is a fear monger

[peak ferry]

no I did too, but they seem to have confirmed it https://gizmodo.com/meta-pulls-uk-internship-offers-1849618902

[tardy geode]

Grind so hard now that when the market opens up we get offers like anything

[dusky lance]

Anyone know what market equity comp for series C $1b for new grads is like? Examples would be helpful

[loud olive]

graduated undergrad 2020 and gonna graduate grad school 2023, got the worst of both worlds lol

[tardy geode]

FUC

[peak ferry]

ya but still big yikes

[tardy geode]

being an international student its the worst time of my life mentally

😭

[latent sun]

oof

[calm shale]

are the 10% return offer from meta still safe?

[latent sun]

rip

[calm shale]

wanna know if pan is gonna be depressed again

[marble bronze]

Damn

[loud olive]

on top of being an international student

[latent sun]

LMAO

fax

[tardy geode]

[peak ferry]

I mean they haven't been rescinded but who knows what they will do. tho it would be REALLY stupid if they rescinded offers from people they know are top performers...

[calm shale]

coinbase

[silk cape]

prefer this over leetcode type questions tbh

[latent sun]

"I got a 300k offer "

[tardy geode]

imma apply wo WITCH companies , i am this desperate to get an offer 😭

[peak ferry]

yea prob

[calm shale]

pan really made a video for not getting return offer, then another video saying everything is good, imagine he makes a third video saying SIKE

[peak ferry]

still kinda nuts ngl, personally puts meta on my shit for the foreseeable future. going back on your word is huge yikes

[celest whale]

I’m not sure about the rules of the server regarding posting job position links on this channel rip

[marble bronze]

Yeah if you're an international student graduating this year, you're in an absolute shit position

[west egret]

Yeah because interns are pretty low financial commitment compared to FT

[clever orbit]

anyone know how much citi new grad swes make in uk?

everything online says 50k but that sounds too low

[late kestrel]

citi doesnt pay super well in the US either 🤷‍♂️

[civic summit]

I have no system design knowledge or experience. Databricks on-site has a sys design interview that I will most definitely fail.. should I just self-reject

[floral plank]

When was your phone?

[civic summit]

It’s in two days

idk man

I also heard WLB and culture is not good there

[floral plank]

Had mines on Monday, hopefully I don't have to wait long for a response

[civic summit]

I mean in their virtual on-site guide it seems pretty serious, they went into detail

[wheat seal]

They will tailor to ur level

[floral plank]

does bloomberg reject fast after phone?

[civic summit]

rly? Even if i have zero

[wheat seal]

No new grad will know enough system design

Like as a ng u never even had oncall and had ops work

[clever orbit]

im confused that says 58k or 108k?

one of them has to be wrong

[night magnet]

Past year ng

[civic summit]

i haven’t taken Os or networking or even databases lol

[clever orbit]

thats about 60k in gbp

[wheat seal]

I would brush up on db. They make ask u to write a query

[night magnet]

Looks like u could get around 66k for ng at citi

[floral plank]

no

[civic summit]

ok

[clever orbit]

thats pretty dead for London

[outer radish]

yo how often is everyone reviewing the LC they did

[civic summit]

Yeah I guess I’m just deciding if it’s worth it?

[clever orbit]

rent is 25k unless u want to live in cupboard

[indigo raft]

Ng for citi in 2021 was 85k in Dallas for reference

[clever orbit]

and then theres tax and student finance on top of that

[civic summit]

if it were a perfect company/my dream company i’d def be more inclined to

Yea

Have fun 🙂

not stress

[wheat seal]

Do u have an offer already

[civic summit]

yeah

[wheat seal]

Oh then ur chillin. Just take it

[civic summit]

This makes sense

[wheat seal]

I’d still take it

[civic summit]

I think being here is a bit too rat-race mentality so it feels like I need to try cause people talk about databricks Tc and stuff

[wheat seal]

I mean if u were to interview with db next time

U know what to expect

Just take it to gain more experience

[night magnet]

But like

No downside

[wheat seal]

I think it’s useful

[night magnet]

Just interview practice worst case

[wheat seal]

I’d still take it

[civic summit]

makes sense

[night magnet]

(Other than cooldown but who cares)

[civic summit]

Ill do it, i just hate bombing interviews but also don’t want to cram sys design. Self-inflicted conflict I know

how do you bs when the interviewer knows much more than you tho

i will try

[timber rock]

Hard to find much higher than that for ng unless you go to faang/big-n or fintech

[wheat seal]

I’d just study databases - basic design and query - educative has a great crash course on that

[clever orbit]

thats what I mean is citi not a fintech?

why r thye paying so low

[wheat seal]

Know databases, api

Right @uncut epoch

[late kestrel]

no its a bank

[timber rock]

Tbh I got no clue what citi is but that's still high for a ng in london

[wheat seal]

DB and api

Take an educative crash course

Database software engineer - educative course

Yea educative shows that

It’s a nice course

Really easy read

And nice to complete

Has some querying too

Or do u mean nosql?

I think it’s good to do both

U mean tables then

And relationships

PK, FK, 1:1, 1:M, how to break down m:n to 1:m or 1:n

Stuff like that

Foreign key

[civic summit]

Database design fundamentals for software engineers?

[wheat seal]

Yessir

Probably all u need

For db portion

Then like larik said just look at system design primer

And quick read through

Nothing too dense

[civic summit]

Ok thanks sm

[wheat seal]

Like ng system design is just api+db really

I think flexport is the one where it was absolutely cracked

[ebon quiver]

what was cracked

[wheat seal]

Their assessment was brutal lol

Flexport

[ebon quiver]

oh yeah that shit was crayz

[wheat seal]

Assessment

[ebon quiver]

they asked so many different things

[wheat seal]

Unreal

[ebon quiver]

i completed it tho

and i havent heard back ....

[wheat seal]

I bombed that last year

[ebon quiver]

i was able to answer everything

[wheat seal]

Harder than codesignal for sure

[ebon quiver]

i finished with like 10 seconds left

shit was insane

[late kestrel]

lol its ok their first round of interviews are so unbelievably dumb

[ebon quiver]

that being said i left the hackerrank tho

[stable wharf]

I’m waiting on an offer

And it’s infuriating

[ebon quiver]

from

[stable wharf]

I can’t stop watching outlook

Vanta

[ebon quiver]

wait u heard back already ?

[ebon quiver]

oh damn didnt hear from them

ima j reapply to every single company

rq

[late kestrel]

yeah had 2x 1h tech interviews last week

that were very very stupid

[wheat seal]

Flexport only pays 167k ng

[ebon quiver]

damn nice u passed the oa and everything?

[ebon quiver]

wdym tsupid

[ebon quiver]

that aint bad

[late kestrel]

chicago though

[wheat seal]

And their assessment was insane for only 167k

Oh ok

[late kestrel]

very good for tech in chicago

[wheat seal]

That’s pretty nuts then

[ebon quiver]

yeah its p good for chicago

[ebon quiver]

it wasnt THAT hard breh

i have done harder

[wheat seal]

I mean for me it was. Codesignal is a lot easier I think

[ebon quiver]

u guys think its worth to j re-apply everywhere

[ebon quiver]

codesignal can be really hard too

[late kestrel]

they refuse to provide any extra context or help when youre coding a solution, just say "its up to you to decide"!

[ebon quiver]

depending on how hard ur q4 is

[wheat seal]

Yea ik

[ebon quiver]

tbh thats kinda nice tho

[vast rock]

Does Netflix auto resume reject 2022 dec grads? My resume shouldn’t get rejected …

[ebon quiver]

cuz u can make the problem a little easier for yourself

[wheat seal]

But it was awhile ago. I didn’t really prepare for the assessment for flexport so it’s my fault ig. I just blindly took it

[ebon quiver]

plus its another way to show ur better than the other candidates

i dont mind when interviewers do that tbh

[ebon quiver]

yeah the fact that u had to write out a mysql query was j dumb

[rain patio]

How fast does bloomberg reject after EM?

[wheat seal]

Yea I didn’t take mysql yet then lol

I literally knew nothing

[late kestrel]

nah then you dont know what they want. you dont know their requirements or what direction you need to head. they obviously want you to do one direction bc they ask follow ups that lead you in a specific direction

[ebon quiver]

oh rip

[wheat seal]

Except for a few algo questions

[ebon quiver]

oh in that case thats dumb

[ebon quiver]

did u think u did well lol>

[late kestrel]

reject seems to usually be quicker but it could be a week or more

[late kestrel]

i think i did fine but probs not good enuf

@rain patio u just do em?

[ebon quiver]

oh damn gl anyway. have u had r last bb round yet

[rain patio]

yeah I got asked a math question :/

[late kestrel]

tmrw

[late kestrel]

lol wtf

like what kinda math q lmao

[ebon quiver]

jesus my pfp is scary af

[rain patio]

honestly pissed because it feels like everyone else is getting easy em rounds where they just talk about their resumes. its just my luck tbh

[ebon quiver]

gl bby

[hushed ember]

MasterCard hates me so much, that they sent me 2 rejection emails for the same role with a gap of 2 weeks. 😭😭😭😭

[late kestrel]

yeah i feel ya its so rng

[keen grove]

at least you shot your shot tho

[wheat seal]

Which company?

[rain patio]

i honestly wanna give up with applying

[wheat seal]

Oh BB

[rain patio]

bloomberg

[civic summit]

I got rejected two days later

[wheat seal]

Yea it’s just rng

[ebon quiver]

no more companies are open so like

[granite kindle]

saw this on linkedin: https://events.hrt.careers/techtalkweek/org-soc

[late kestrel]

its only october. keep applyin and keep your head up

[viral whale]

has anyone received a SIG (swe) offer?

[hushed ember]

You never know. Things could get better. Keep at it and you'll get a deserving job.

[viral whale]

I got a return offer from them, but I dont think Im gonna take it. A good amount of my intern group is thinking of not taking it. Wait till after October 28th (thats the deadline) and some more spots may open up

[river harbor]

Same happened with me today bro, I was asked to solve a question using a data structure I never even heard before interview, it was bb only

[trail siren]

Thank you! I hope I get that offer from C1!

[ebon quiver]

how can we check if our resume parses well with ATP

i am thinking this is a reason im not hearing back

[whole berry]

what data structure

[river harbor]

Something called sorted containers

Heard first time heard during interview

[whole berry]

in python ?

[river harbor]

Yes

[whole berry]

LOL dude

thats not a native library

[river harbor]

I know i mean how tf do you expect me to use that

[whole berry]

its purely pythonic 3rd party library that gives you access to normal data structures but that they are sorted

[whole berry]

wtf LOOOOL

youre entirely OK to not know that

[hexed moth]

did u explain to him

that you've never used it before

[river harbor]

Yup and he was the one who said you can do this using that

[river harbor]

Yup

[whole berry]

how could you use a data structure not native to the language when you don't even know how its implemented

thats literally saying heres a saw, shape that tree for me

[river harbor]

I gave solution in heap

But he wanted that specific thing only because he said in the end

[whole berry]

bruh bloomberg is ON ONE LOL

[river harbor]

You can do it using sorted containers

[late kestrel]

em so rng 😢

[whole berry]

im so sorry man i hope you dont feel too down but this is actually ?? big time qustionable

[compact obsidian]

i feel like the more senior your interviewer the more likely they'll pull some BS ngl

for any company

[late kestrel]

im so fukin scared for mine 😭

[whole berry]

yeah this is ACTUAL bs

[river harbor]

Just sad has just 1 interview till now and this is what i get

[whole berry]

some senior way of being ah yes i discovered a library last week i assume all my interview candidates to know it too

[whole berry]

im right there with you buddy

i feel sad for you too

this is actually so insane

[primal pike]

very very bad experience here with BB

got 1 dp 1 med in 50mins

had to build own functions and test cases etc

[late kestrel]

ouch wtf virtual on site?

[primal pike]

phone screen

[late kestrel]

yo wt

f

[primal pike]

NYC btw

london is easy af

ppl getting tagged qs there

[whole berry]

i had the same experience with meta

phone screen got asked 1 hard lc

and hes like lets move onto the next

another hard

didnt even finish the first one

[primal pike]

lel

mfs

getting to those companies isnt happening for me

amazon is my only chance

[timber rock]

this year?

i havent seen bb open apps for london

[ebon quiver]

does anyonek now

where i can find the best resume template

[keen grove]

jake's resume is standard

[ebon quiver]

cna u send a link please

[keen grove]

https://www.overleaf.com/latex/templates/jakes-resume/syzfjbzwjncs

[rain patio]

Really?

Cap. I heard they have sys design round

[smoky lodge]

[whole berry]

this server is full of Ls today

inboxes were wet with Ls

as were mine

[quick wraith]

cant get Ls if you dont apply

[knotty talon]

bloomberg is kind of recession proof because they got no competitors, so they haven't really slowed down hiring i'd guess

[late kestrel]

they defo have competitors, they just have the largest market share

not by a whole lot tho

[paper magnet]

Hi did anyone gave tiltok OA ? I am finding practise difficult itself ? How is the main test ?

[calm shale]

which company is this

[runic wind]

TAR

MSFT

[timber rock]

i havent done it but people are saying its very very hard

[runic wind]

No other company uses these weird ass acronyms

[jaunty basalt]

That’s doesn’t mean it’s hard though

[night magnet]

Does anyone know how to get into yahoo

I want it so bad

[lilac siren]

[low scroll]

ripppling L

[grizzled bronze]

Just curious, but what makes you want Yahoo so bad?

[dusky plover]

@calm shale u get the offer crip?

[jaunty basalt]

Damn U a crip

[night magnet]

TC/WLB ratio is unrivaled

[floral plank]

Yahoo is pretty much a dying company

What do they even do?

[night magnet]

Exactly

[slate bobcat]

YAHOO!

[night magnet]

Literally 5 hours a week I’ve heard

Literally

No cap

[floral plank]

not bad though if you can't anything better

[dusky plover]

cuhhhh

[dusky plover]

bro

nevermind the tc

the point of entry level is that u go to a company that will teach u shit so it makes u a better off engeineer once u hop

[night magnet]

Bro

[dusky plover]

bro

[grizzled bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-yahoo-gif-13250990

[dusky plover]

[jaunty basalt]

Yahoona

[dusky plover]

Yahoooona

[night magnet]

Yahoooona manana

[dusky plover]

hey i saw that

coy

[night magnet]

🤫

[ebon quiver]

guys i ever think ur not getting interviews

cuz ur resume is not parasing well

is there any way to test this\

[dusky plover]

sure send ur resume to my company

and i will test it for u

[ebon quiver]

wait really

[ebon quiver]

wdym to our company

[dusky plover]

our 🤨

[ebon quiver]

srry my

[ebon quiver]

wdym yours

[dusky plover]

lmfao im fuckin around

[ebon quiver]

.-.

[dusky plover]

switch ur template to jakes

[ebon quiver]

i did that

but for some reasons

[night magnet]

So it’s fine

[dusky plover]

yea i got nothin else

[ebon quiver]

there are some spaces

[dusky plover]

its fine than

[ebon quiver]

there are some spaces her eand there

like random new lines

u think that matter?

[night magnet]

Delete them

[ebon quiver]

no like

[low scroll]

yeah that might

[night magnet]

But no

[ebon quiver]

it snot ther ein the pdf

its there in the pdf

but if i copy to a doc

some lines have a random space

[night magnet]

It’s fine

[ebon quiver]

will it ?

[night magnet]

Mine does that too

[low scroll]

possibly

[ebon quiver]

u know how to fidx that

[night magnet]

Word just doesn’t parse it it’s fine

[ebon quiver]

but a lot of companies parse it like that

[night magnet]

I know

[low scroll]

use a resume parsing site

[night magnet]

But all the info is still there

[low scroll]

see how it parses first

[night magnet]

Google “ATS parser”

I’m sure it’s fine

[ebon quiver]

https://resume-parser.vercel.app/

this one seems good

but it doesnt parse my entier resume

just the top part...

shit makes no sense

like it just parses the overfview

[low scroll]

yeah thats cool

drop your resume for review

maybe its the content

[night magnet]

Same

This one is bad

[ebon quiver]

u got a better one

[night magnet]

No

[ebon quiver]

sigh

fuck it

ima reapply

to all my companies

that havent responded to me

i need more interviews

is there a list of companies

that are still hiring or can we just use coderquad

[compact sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/chuck-chicanery-better-call-saul-amc-meme-gif-26651761

[thick mantle]

man you guys are so fucked

2023 is such a terrible time to enter the job market

[ebon quiver]

we are aware

[gloomy terrace]

headlands oa but i dont know cpp 🫢

did anyone get python oa

[teal jackal]

i have a good name

thanks for the inspiration MLE choppa

[teal jackal]

no shit

[jaunty basalt]

[teal jackal]

time limit exceeded

[wary pollen]

How do I tell if I'm rejected from microsoft?

I haven't gotten an email

[teal jackal]

no need to tell, you are just rejected

we all are

they aint hiring a single one of us

not this year

2023 grad postings is a ghost town

coderquad where its at

[ebon quiver]

what does "referred" mean

[teal jackal]

means that you applied through referra

[wary pollen]

it still says in review

[teal jackal]

tbh the reject will be coming

[wary pollen]

no hopium

[teal jackal]

sorry man

gl dude

tough year

we'll come out stronger, on the bright side

[wary pollen]

applying to grad school

fuck it

[teal jackal]

2023 grads will be strong enough and we'll job hop and speedrun our way to staff eng at light speed

since we were hardened with interviewing

tbh but it makes me feel better

[teal jackal]

id take a mid job over going to grad school

imo as long as its a SWE job

id be cautious of taking like QA and SDET since youre gonna have to work your way back to SWE instead of jumping to the next level

[ebon quiver]

fax

[rain patio]

does masters help with negotiating tc?

[loud olive]

Not really, competing offers and precious work experience will help with negotiation

[teal jackal]

work xp you could probably argue that ur worth more than the level that they gave u

i could b wrong

[normal palm]

the better question is, what would you learn/do in a master's that would make companies value you more?

[teal jackal]

i think its too soon to say "grad school here we come" since we're proactive enough to be prepping and applying now

ive heard of that

its company dependent

[grizzled bronze]

Masters can help, but if that's the reason you're pursuing a Masters I don't recommend that

[teal jackal]

bro the job search consuming my ass

[dusky plover]

Uh, code (coded), in front of the trap (front the trap)
Sellin' TC 'til the sun come down (come down)
Take a fuck metamate right off the map (off the map)
When I hit him with this whole hundred renegs (a hundred renegs)

[low scroll]

shit cuh

thats tuff

[formal fable]

Seems like Bloomberg is going the way of Amazon. They see the influx of applicants, they feel the need to trim down the pool. They go randomly hard on your ass

[young peak]

Really weird approach tbh

They should be aware that the only people coming to them are people that'd drop em the second a FAANG or similar company matches or exceeds comp

[wicked pendant]

pretty sure its just normal rng.. their standard interview process is fine for lots of people

[young peak]

I personally had straight LC easies on during my entire bb pipeline

[runic wind]

Hmm idek reneging can become a barrier for a lot of people

[young peak]

Reneging is easy af tho

[formal fable]

Most end-to-end experiences with BB early to mid September were the same. Folks getting offers within a week long process with easy/mediums through and through and EM rounds basically formality. Now, they're mutating into HFT like, lol

[young peak]

Just say (or even don't lmao) you don't wanna work and boom done

[runic wind]

But
Probably burns some bridges 😦

[young peak]

Oh no you burned a bridge with Bloomberg (prob not even)

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[formal fable]

I plan to go like, "So........ I got this other offer, and it's at least x% more with so and so perks. Can you match it? Cause it'll be really hard to ignore that"

[runic wind]

Mike owns NYC

He can make your life hell

[sonic coral]

mike doesnt give a shit about us peons

[young peak]

You're saying Mike Bloomberg himself watches L3s in his spare time? 🤣

[formal fable]

Burning bridges don't mean shit in a market where you can rescind offers literal days before joining and lay off employees despite being near trillion dollar market cap companies.

[young peak]

I mean tbh that sounds fine

[sonic coral]

imagine getting a bloomberg interview and you join and mike himself is interviewing you

he picks one random applicant

[formal fable]

"Design BB terminal in like 20 mins"

[young peak]

Ayo but the amount of technical managers from BB that view my ln every week is too high icl

[formal fable]

Also, let's do a zoom call selfie

[young peak]

Like why man it's been almost a year chill

[runic wind]

Yeah I mean
But I wouldn't renege a FAANG, for ex
World is too small for that

[rustic vessel]

I would reneg amazon in a heartbeat

[runic wind]

Lmao y'all are ruthless

[formal fable]

FAANG companies are "worlds" themselves mate. No one at one end of Zon knows you reneged an offer on the other end. Folks been exaggerating the impact of reneging wayy too much lately, especially considering the actual evidence of people not finding it any hard to re-apply at the same tech giants only a few years down the line. They are way too big to care about your reneging ass. In fact, they formally estimate the percentage of you who are going to renege and calculate their hiring budget and allocation accordingly.

[sonic coral]

the only people i could see doing blacklists are finance companies because they can be petty like that but even still thats prob too much work

[brittle marten]

@untold lava HELLO HELLO

did u get the deets for scale yet

[formal fable]

They made us ruthless, with the lay-offs, last minute take-backs, no return offers etc. I can understand this from a tiny cash strapped startup. But not from these massive GDP sized market cap companies

[untold lava]

I did

[brittle marten]

can i slide into your DM~!

heart rate north of 100 rn 😦

[formal fable]

Yeah, but Finance companies are very selective and high paying to begin with and they'd rarely have someone renege on them. Besides, they are usually the size of a classroom. Not that hard for them to remember you and "your burnt bridge"

[untold lava]

🙈🙈🙈 ok

[runic wind]

@young peak lmao

[sonic coral]

you think BB is the size of a classroom

[formal fable]

BB is a software giant, not just a "finance company". They got a lot going on. I assumed by finance, you meant the likes of prop shops, HFT or startups like Stripe

[runic wind]

Wait I've seen you
Where are you going finally

[last summit]

Stripe dont fit in a classroom either bro

[sonic coral]

i'm literally agreeing with ya bruh

[formal fable]

Yeah, I was mainly talking about HFTs. I rarely see any Stripe offers around here TBH. Naturally, reneging on them wouldn't be common

[frank wedge]

Don’t you have a job to do Tony

[sonic coral]

mf its 8pm

[formal fable]

Just pointing out that reneging on BB won't be a big deal. They renege on our interviews, lol

[frank wedge]

[runic wind]

997

[sonic coral]

well yeah i just mentioned BB since our boi yogi reneged em and bob mentioned him lol

[frank wedge]

[rain patio]

Guys how are you guys finding the jobs to apply?

So tired of spamming everyday on linkedin 😦

[late kestrel]

i dm @rain patio for todays job postings

[rain patio]

[late kestrel]

he sends all of todays job postings in a neat and quick response 🙂

[last summit]

dm @fringe shuttle for referrals to today's job postings

[frank wedge]

You guys apply using LinkedIn?

What’s the response rate for that

[formal fable]

Pretty much this, lol

[rain patio]

I only got few interviews and received 1 offer

from hundreds of applications

[formal fable]

There's Otta, google job search, and if you're feeling adventurous, angel.co

[rain patio]

I really can't tell if this is normal

[formal fable]

Yeah, welcome to the club. Most of us are in that boat

[frank wedge]

I don’t trust the middleman

[formal fable]

It is

[rain patio]

Oh.. so we keep doing this.. alright

thanks for the confirmation

[placid widget]

Do you mind sharing who ur recruiter is?

[rain patio]

Wait are you guys graduating either december 2022 or may 2023?

[raven ember]

arrived here a few months ago and still don't know what the yakhuna matada hive mind is about

[fringe shuttle]

hey guys, sorry i pinged the wrong account.. make sure to direct all your inquires to @last summit

[topaz tangle]

[gleaming fable]

never use the middlemen, I used linkedin to find jobs and would then post on the actual site

[silk cape]

anyone know how much gem pays new grads?

[weak latch]

1k a year

[late kestrel]

go mustangs

[thick shell]

Anyone know if AirBnB is hiring New Grads this year?

Cause intern apps opened

[rain patio]

but linkedin usually send us to their actual website

i barely see linkedin apply

[untold lava]

still interviewing

pray for quant

otherwise databricks or scale

[low scroll]

like 225+

[slate bobcat]

DM @fringe shuttle for referals and other favors

[runic wind]

DM @fringe shuttle if you want a Spotify referral

[white escarp]

no way @fringe shuttle is backkkkkk

recession is goneeee

@fringe shuttle the savior

[static moth]

DM @fringe shuttle if you're interested in a 2017 toyota corolla with 25k miles in cherry red

[wicked musk]

no update one week after Bloomberg EM round, should I be worried?

[frank wedge]

Yeah, received oa

[thick shell]

Nice, Preciate it

[wheat seal]

I’m suprised Airbnb is hiring

It’s actually doing very well

The stock

[wheat seal]

Aren’t u a Pinterest. Why u wanna go to Airbnb?

[sudden sequoia]

wait i only see their intern

[wheat seal]

I feel like companies r only hiring interns now

Or some

[wheat seal]

What portal?

LinkedIn?

[wheat seal]

Yea on there site it’s only intern

[sudden sequoia]

yeah on their site

[sudden sequoia]

wait how lol

whered u apply

[wheat seal]

Probably they had it up before

But then took it down like a lot of other companies

[bleak summit]

does epic really offer like only $28? I've got my final interview with them tomorrow

[wheat seal]

I’m curious why companies leave outnew grad but then have intern

[frank wedge]

I don’t really remember applying tbh, just wanted to see

[wheat seal]

It’s in Winsconsin

[cobalt siren]

looks like 38/hr on levels

[wheat seal]

That’s why

[wheat seal]

Oh gotchu

[frank wedge]

If Airbnb recruiters were cute

[bleak summit]

madison seems like a nice city though

[dense blaze]

Im cute

[wheat seal]

Yea seems like a nice gig

[cobalt siren]

doesn't epic suck wlb wise?

[frank wedge]

Some months ago i think

[bleak summit]

yeah or so i've heard

[wheat seal]

I heard it had poor culture

[frank wedge]

[wheat seal]

And wlb

[bleak summit]

if i get the offer ill see

[dense blaze]

[wheat seal]

U guys think qualtrics will do layoffs?

[bleak summit]

im a sophomore with practically 0 swe experience so i'll take what I can get

[cobalt siren]

yeah as a soph definitely take it

it'll help immensely

wait why are you in grads channel then haha

[bleak summit]

oh shit

[wheat seal]

Oh yea I’d take the internship then

U can’t go wrong with that

WillowTree is a good one too

[bleak summit]

i was responding to someone who said they got a epic offer then this convo started lol

[wheat seal]

I think

[cobalt siren]

gotcha haha

[wheat seal]

WillowTree is like 28/hr for intern

Ik they are hiring too

[bleak summit]

i have a C1 final round interview also but I've heard they're almost full

[cobalt siren]

willowtree seems like a cool place

[weak latch]

they're paused

[wheat seal]

Yea stable company too

[cunning bolt]

DP

[wheat seal]

Software Engineer I https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?from=appshareios&jk=0fddfd0ac88785b4

How is 3yrs experience SDE 1 lol

[smoky lodge]

New grad engineer != junior engineer at most places

[rain patio]

So apply everywhere

[wheat seal]

3yrs is sde 2

1-2 is like SDE 1 for most job postings

[rain patio]

So who wants new grads

[wheat seal]

Sometimes companies say SDE 1 is ng

Sometimes companies just say ng

[prime palm]

wtf

tiktok oa just fucked me in the bootyhole

[rain patio]

welcome to the club

[smoky lodge]

Look at this from a hiring perspective

[fringe shuttle]

tiktok

[smoky lodge]

Why tf would you want someone with no experience as an engineer

[fringe shuttle]

did they have that one question

that was actually fucked

[calm shale]

is applied intuition worth interviewing for?

[azure zephyr]

why wouldn't it be?

[wheat seal]

Check out this job at Salesforce: Backend Software Development Engineer (All Levels) - C360 Data, Engagement & Search Engineering

https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/3266776676

[wheat seal]

I mean they are cheap if they can pass the hiring bar they can really add value to engineering

[calm shale]

startup, paper money, ridiculously hard process, etc.. just wondering if any of those are the case

[wheat seal]

Anyone know if the above is for new grad?

[azure zephyr]

i think with the offers you have...eh

probably not

[smoky lodge]

but if you can get a low experience engineer at the same price why tf would you take the new grad

remember, demands for SWEs is only really crazy at the senior level

[wheat seal]

If they have internships yea

I would

Or if they really nail the interview

[smoky lodge]

lol no

[calm shale]

bc a recruiter reached out on linkedin for new grad role. wondering if i should proceed lol

[wicked rivet]

is it worth messaging pitnerest recruiter if I took codesignal gca 2 weeks ago but no response, have final interviews in nov and want to start process

[wheat seal]

Salesforce?

Oh is Salesforce hiring new grad?

[wicked rivet]

i thought they were only hiring ex salesforce interns

[calm shale]

how many rounds?

[wheat seal]

I mean I have a few months experience

Check out this job at Salesforce: Backend Software Development Engineer (All Levels) - C360 Data, Engagement & Search Engineering

I’m talking about this

Check out this job at Salesforce: Backend Software Development Engineer (All Levels) - C360 Data, Engagement & Search Engineering

https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/3266776676

U guys think this is something someone with 3-6mths experience or is a new grad could apply to

[calm shale]

thats not tooo bad i guess

[wicked rivet]

sounds average

[wheat seal]

It says all levels

[calm shale]

bro just apply, worst case you get rejected

[wheat seal]

I’m just saying cuz I haven’t seen anyone talk about Salesforce here

[lament summit]

@frank wedge do u rmbr how long it took for u to hear back aftr final for pin/

[teal jackal]

cuz salesforce is being obnoxious

"this listing is for former interns only LMAOOOOOO fuck yall plebs"

[wheat seal]

Where is that?

U see my job posting above

[teal jackal]

salesforce

for new grad roles

[wheat seal]

It says hiring all levels

[teal jackal]

tbh might as well try

[calm shale]

BRO JUST APPLY

takes 2 clicks

[wheat seal]

Lol

[teal jackal]

yeah im gonna try

[wheat seal]

I’m working at qualtrics right now

But I don’t know if

If qualtrics layoffs

Idk

[split plaza]

anyone know what "rotten iron" means on 1point3acres lol

[teal jackal]

do you think qualtrics is stable

or deserves to hire as much as they were

i know docusign was a long time coming

[wheat seal]

I mean they are increasing their profit each quarter

So becoming more stable.

They are hiring interns and swe 2 still

So idk really

[teal jackal]

i applied to qualtrics while their ng listing was still up, i got the "yeah qualtrics is not actually sure if we'll be hiring any new grads"

i got that email a few weeks ago

[wheat seal]

Yea

Kinda like what msft did

Just took interns

[teal jackal]

im glad that at least they didnt try to blue ball us

[rain patio]

@queen valve i aced all my other interviews. this em round is the only one i messed up on

[teal jackal]

microsoft just wasted everyones time

[wheat seal]

Yea it’s messed up

[azure zephyr]

seems like microsoft laid off a ton of recruiters