2023_grads

[zenith moss]

I think those that you just mentioned need referal and shit because they are more on bank side

[fallen fox]

also f5 sent me an email saying "they're reconsidering their ""business"" practices"

[chilly burrow]

Nah it's def worse this year imo

[foggy perch]

who's f5

[chilly burrow]

At least from what I've personally seen

[fallen fox]

f5 networks

[chilly burrow]

Nginx i think?

Yeah def I agree

[night magnet]

Fr

Like seriously

[chilly burrow]

But last yr I knew ppl with no names who got interviews at multiple Big N

[night magnet]

Don’t wanna say entitled but like u know this is how it works

If u got oracle

[chilly burrow]

Now it seems like those days r over 😔

[night magnet]

For now

My friend had ZERO experience

[thorny crown]

applied scheduled my final recruiter call and said "see you then :)" if this is a reject im gonna be so sad

[night magnet]

And got snap

[hasty nexus]

What's thebopinion people here have for roblox as a workplqce

[lilac siren]

Last time I saw a person did 1000 applications in 2021

[night magnet]

And this dudes complaining after 11

[hasty nexus]

And as a company to work for

[peak ferry]

roblox pays robux that's all I need to know

[chilly burrow]

Check Blind for reviews if u haven't

Can giv u an idea

[thorny crown]

11 apps LMFAOOOOOO

ur chillin lil bro

[night magnet]

My friend got roblox last yr with 1 mid internship (not even F500, non tech company)

[vital meteor]

My 11 yr old brother works there

[thorny crown]

10% interview rate is usually elite

[night magnet]

Ya

[thorny crown]

0/11 is really whatever

also it usually takes like

2-3 weeks for things to kick in

i put in like 30 apps end of aug

[peak ferry]

^^mfers can be REAL slow which is annoying

[thorny crown]

my onsites are all rn

takes a while

yea

[night magnet]

I’m like 5/190+

[thorny crown]

scale took 4 weeks to send me an oa LMFAO

[peak ferry]

some places went apply ->offer in like 2 weeks, other places gave me a phone in like 2 months

fuckn annoying

[thorny crown]

these guys r just slow af

[lilac siren]

5 offers?

[chilly burrow]

I'm like 10-15/110 in terms of response rate

[thorny crown]

the smaller places, like the startups glean and applied intuition,t hose guys usually fast as fk

[night magnet]

Onsite

Actualy 6

[thorny crown]

im like 4/30

[hexed moth]

publicis sapient gave me an offer in two weeks

[night magnet]

That’s so good

[peak ferry]

some midsized places also p fast, seems like a metric of are they getting spammed with apps or not lol

[hexed moth]

but that was earlier in the season

but some people do move pretty quick

[thorny crown]

yea i got rly lucky

but even then like

i heard 0 back for the first 3 weeks

so just @whoever's nervous after 11, dw man ur chillin

[peak ferry]

job market seems to continue to deteriorate tho

[lilac siren]

I’m about 15/280

[thorny crown]

i feel like this entire server is just gigachads

believe in yourselves

[lilac siren]

11 including recruiter calls

[autumn ridge]

I'm around 20/200 ish

if you count OAs

recruiter calls 10/200

[quick wraith]

3/50

[nocturne oriole]

4/20

[fallen fox]

0/15

[lilac siren]

280 including duplicates (multi roles of one company )

[peak ferry]

I was like 6-8(depends on how you count)/40 on contacting real humans when I shot out apps a few months back

2 places scheduled interviews, canceled, and then basically ghosted me

[fluid bloom]

I’m at 300 applied -> 40 oas -> 15ish interviews

[peak ferry]

that's p good, if u haven't landed an offer yet sounds like bigger issue is just interview prep

[dusky plover]

this is goat

wtf?

where do u even find 300 apps

im at 240 rn

and most of the apps arent even newgrad

i apply to whhatever in linkedin

just put location as bay area

ur international?

sheesh ur response rates are insane for intl

[peak ferry]

intl in this market is pain I'm sorry

ya fr

I'd be deported rn if I was intl

[fallen fox]

do you go to a target school?

nice you should be fine then

[peak ferry]

sheesh

[vast rock]

has someone interviewed at a hedge fund before for Quant Researcher? do I need formal dress code? its non-eng plus its a pure finance firm idk if I can just wing it with a collared shirt

[hexed moth]

what does t5 mean

[fallen fox]

top 5

[hexed moth]

oh top 5

lmao

i thought cmu was top cs school in the country

maybe top research cs

[fluid bloom]

LinkedIn

[dusky plover]

bro

[late kestrel]

you can probably find a list that has it at #1. everyone has diff opinions

[chilly burrow]

App Store 😎

[night magnet]

It is

[dusky plover]

i dont think a single app on linkedin has reached back to me that wasnt explicity listed as newgrad

[night magnet]

CMU>>>

[lilac siren]

I tried many non-ng roles

[peak ferry]

lol

[dusky plover]

except for apple

[fluid bloom]

I’ve had a couple but they didn’t lead to offers

[chilly burrow]

None of em panned out for me. Always auto rejects 😔.

[night magnet]

Apple is a black hole

[peak ferry]

damn apple didn't reach out for a jr role I applied to

[dusky plover]

is it cuz they start probing for specific work exp u didnt have or something

[night magnet]

Same for everyone else

[fluid bloom]

Nah the salary was low

[wheat seal]

Cmu?

[fluid bloom]

I rejected them

[vestal pelican]

How long does it take to hear back from IMC after phone?

[wheat seal]

Cmu = Berkeley = Georgia tech = standford = uiuc tbh

[hexed moth]

cmu top research imo

[wheat seal]

Uiuc too

[vital meteor]

0/60 on tinder, this freeze hurting everyone

[wheat seal]

0/60?

[dusky plover]

sheeee

@cedar nebula did u ever email that rippling recruiter btw

[wheat seal]

What company

Intern is brutal

[fluid bloom]

Some local ones. Tbh I shouldn’t have applied anyways

[dusky plover]

fsho

[wheat seal]

U could just take them an renege later

[fluid bloom]

I have a return offer from my internship

[dusky plover]

i regret not switching to cs earlier 😂 switched junior year it was a hustle to even get a single intern

[wheat seal]

Oh Amazon?

[fluid bloom]

Cap 1

[wheat seal]

Oh okay

[wheat seal]

Then y are u looking?

Cap 1 is pretty safe

[dusky plover]

hahaha

same but econ degree

[peak ferry]

damn shoulda copped double if ur that far in

[dusky plover]

imagine if i went with my econ degree

in this economy

[wheat seal]

Tbh u could’ve still done swe with stats

[dusky plover]

[azure zephyr]

i switched from cs to math junior year

idk why i did that tbh

[dusky plover]

PS : Send toes

[normal palm]

everyone got rejected today lol

[azure zephyr]

technically data science i guess but its a math degree, i grad from the college of math lmao

[fluid bloom]

For better places. I have stubhub final Friday. 120k base 125k/yr stock

[wheat seal]

Stub hub is eBay subsidiary right

[fluid bloom]

No idea

[azure zephyr]

i dont even care about which degree is better i just want to graduate atp

[wheat seal]

Pretty sure it is

[dusky plover]

wait stubhub is 245k a year TC?

[peak ferry]

125/yr? tf

[wheat seal]

Yea that’s wild

[dusky plover]

that doesnt match with w3hats on levels lol

[azure zephyr]

but i switched bc i was pretty far ahead in my cs degree, so at that point my classes were all theoretical instead of more application based and it made me want to rip my head off so i switched to something more hands on lmao

[fluid bloom]

Ya someone on the server got an offer. Check the process channel

[dusky plover]

he mustve meant 125k/4 years

no way

[peak ferry]

^^yea I don't believe it based on other numbers on levels

[teal jackal]

ive met people who switched in mid sophomore year and are doing amazing

i did cs+game dev and i dont regret it anymore

[azure zephyr]

basically everything from my cs courses don't apply to swe anyways. except for like the first two intro programming courses everything else is irrelevant

[wheat seal]

Yes way

[fluid bloom]

He said 500k/4yrs

[azure zephyr]

like even my ds&a class is basically useless for leetcode

[dusky plover]

o_O

[teal jackal]

i actually entered my university for datasci but i told my dad id rather do cs+game dev

[dusky plover]

god

[peak ferry]

welp maybe they're desperate cuz that's nuts

[dusky plover]

what does stubhub even do to pay their swes that much
they literrally middleman scalped tickets

[teal jackal]

actually i think thats cap, systems and networks principles can be important too

[wheat seal]

https://www.levels.fyi/companies/stubhub/salaries/software-engineer

[dusky plover]

i didnt pass their behav phone

[nocturne oriole]

Just my 2 cents, at my job it is def good to know linux, OS, dsa, networks

That’s about it

[dusky plover]

the only behav phone i didnt pass this fall season

[teal jackal]

yeah i agree 100%

i disagree that the coursework is irrelevant to the job skills

[nocturne oriole]

I didnt take OS and it fucked me

[azure zephyr]

no network class, and by systems do you mean operating systems?

[teal jackal]

yeah

OS, or super low level programming even

wait your uni doesnt have networks?

[nocturne oriole]

Networks u can pick up essentials in 1 hr yt vid or just as u go

[teal jackal]

thats wild

[nocturne oriole]

The rest need a class

[azure zephyr]

oh yeah i guess but i learned a lot more from my internship this past summer about that kind of stuff than i did in school

[dusky plover]

eh those higher level cs classes are a big help if u go do more niche sides of dev like network infra ML
for general swe u dont need it

[teal jackal]

yeah i agree, the thing with internships is that it helps you understand why your knowledge is relevant to the job

[dusky plover]

hey kirb why dont u network DN 😂 🫰🏻

[nocturne oriole]

I work on a build tool. There is OS stuff out the ass and graph theory, mostly. And like basic linux shit just nice lol

[teal jackal]

i support having systems and networks in every cs core curriculum

[peak ferry]

I took 0 networking courses at uni rofl

[teal jackal]

i think every cs major should come out with some awareness of those

[azure zephyr]

i guess but network isn't on my cs degree (unless you take it as an elective maybe...?) so

[peak ferry]

kinda regret but yolo whatever

[fluid bloom]

StubHub datapoint from #2023_grad_process #1024364712340770846 message

[teal jackal]

interesting

[dusky plover]

yea add OS as a weeder

[wheat seal]

Yea ik there was an l3 who posted 425ktc in ny

[nocturne oriole]

The only good cs curriculums nowadays are t10 anyway, doesnt matter lol, we are all catchin up at work

Even then not all t10 curriculums are perfect

[azure zephyr]

so maybe i should say MY progress towards the cs degree weren't helpful for jobs, wasn't a good cs program even tho its ranked t50

[teal jackal]

tbh thats true, if your uni isnt at the forefront of cs research then the profs are usually just copying shit from textbooks and other uni curriculums

[nocturne oriole]

Waterloo’s is fuckin outstanding it’s bonkers

[dusky plover]

i come from a UC and my curriculum had none of that because we have a professor shortage

like

[azure zephyr]

the bulk of my learning has been self taught, trash professors who only care about their research

[dusky plover]

my cs classes i took were so scuffed

4/7 electives i took were easy GEs

i didnt even take databases

[peak ferry]

lol why tf do you need cs research for a good curriculum? close to 0% of a cs curriculum should be cutting edge. best classes I had were from non research lecturers

[wheat seal]

Fr?

[teal jackal]

at northeastern i found that at the freshman level, intro to CS courses, the entire curriculum and philosophy around it is designed in-house
the higher level i went the more i realize that profs were bullshitting through courses as hard as we are, they're literally copy pasting shit from other universities(THATS PLAGUE JERRY RHYTHM BRO)

[dusky plover]

yee

[wheat seal]

I’m top 200 school and I took databases lol

[normal palm]

Rip to all no name mans like myself

[dusky plover]

i think my uc is at least top 20 in california

or maybe top 15

[hexed moth]

my school is a mess

we're prolly at the bottom

[nocturne oriole]

It’s not RIP but when it comes time to compare raw knowledge yes u will be outclassed

[hexed moth]

but it doesn't matter xd

[nocturne oriole]

Such is life

[teal jackal]

for an expensive private uni, a lot of the profs are bullshitting through coming up with curriculums

the AI class is a complete copy paste of the berkley one

[normal palm]

Define raw knowledge

In a cs context

[dusky plover]

i heard berkley and stanford have a leetcode prep class

[azure zephyr]

lmao ofc

[dusky plover]

which is sick

id rather do leetcode than do a cs class anyways

[wheat seal]

Same with nyu

[normal palm]

The fact that this is a thing lol

[nocturne oriole]

Like the volume of things known and experienced. A state schooler might learn what a semaphore is but a t10 gremlin will write up entire CLI apps and implement a filesystem and shit

[peak ferry]

ik other schools with comp programming courses which is like fine I guess? but honestly not core to a cs degree

[wheat seal]

nyU had a google swe come in to teach algo lol

[normal palm]

Ahh ok ok ok true

[hexed moth]

leetcode classes?

my school is a fucking mess

[dusky plover]

same

[azure zephyr]

yeah it rly does feel like im gonna come into my new grad role and have to do a ton of catch up. but at this point so much of my cs knowledge has been self taught that its kinda like whats new

[normal palm]

Neetcode

[wheat seal]

Yea Kevin Laughton jr said that in one of his videos

[hexed moth]

i have to beg people to do leetcode if they wanna be competitive

[azure zephyr]

same lmao

[normal palm]

Facts

[nocturne oriole]

These are prob garbage tbh unless students run it

[hexed moth]

id help run a leetcode class

my school's ACM chapter is a mess

[wheat seal]

Yea professors can’t leetcode

[nocturne oriole]

@dusky plover lets take a class together 🥺

[hexed moth]

doesn't tell people about the reality of what it's like trying to get a job

[wheat seal]

Unless it’s an industry hire

[azure zephyr]

its crazy the dif between stanford cs & state school cs

[hexed moth]

mine is tiny school cs

[peak ferry]

I graded the systems class and I cannot confirm that the average state schooler can competently use a semaphore. in fairness concurrency hard tho

[hexed moth]

my cs department is like 30 students lmfao

we have 4 professors

[wheat seal]

Everyone from standford cs works at google?

[dusky plover]

sure bro wanna take the "how to get a girlfriend 101" class together

[nocturne oriole]

It’s also just all kinds of topics yeah. Networks and db, the good schools have really well defined and nice class projects. You actually learn

This is just what i see tbh

[dusky plover]

also give me my simp role back

[nocturne oriole]

Deleting for legal reasons

[dusky plover]

legal

[peak ferry]

not tryna be rude, but top schools are preselected AF. throw an average state schooler in a class that actually teaches difficult material and they will fail.

[hexed moth]

huh

[wheat seal]

What u mean preselected

[hexed moth]

u need to elaborate what does pre-selected mean

[peak ferry]

admissions preselects for busted students

[nocturne oriole]

I 100% agree. My curriculum was watered down to make it passable

And in a sense that is ok because of pareto principle for hiring

[wheat seal]

U mean through interview?

[nocturne oriole]

U want average swe at white castle

Not a good one

[hexed moth]

i still dont follow what preselected means

[wheat seal]

U mean sat/act?

[peak ferry]

college admissions? literally selects students based on advanced coursework/ecs/test scores

yes I mean they're smarter and better prepared on average

[hexed moth]

isn't that normal though

[nocturne oriole]

He is saying if u create an elite student body u will naturally have an elite curriculum

[peak ferry]

yes

[hexed moth]

yeah duh

[wheat seal]

U realize that u can get into an ivy with a 1400 SAT

[hexed moth]

that's why they're a top school

[peak ferry]

on average

the average student at a top school has much higher. fuck the average student at my cs dept was like 1400 or smth

[azure zephyr]

i got into some top schools but where i went to college rly came down to money

[late kestrel]

yall r fukin nerds

[azure zephyr]

and thats the reality that bothers me more than anything

[wheat seal]

Yea most people are hard working that’s why

And disciplined

[peak ferry]

literally no idea what that means

if you mean most as in literally most people at any school, absolutely not

[wheat seal]

U need to study for sat

[wheat seal]

I’m talking about to get in

[peak ferry]

get into where tho? a top school? sure ig?

[vestal pelican]

I wish I was at Stanford 😭

[azure zephyr]

you can have highly skilled ppl who are state schools bc of financial and social barriers who don't get the same opportunities as somebody at a top school who already comes from a strong background

but that's just life tbh

[hexed moth]

yeah

[wheat seal]

But do u need to go to a t10 school to get into faang?

[peak ferry]

yup not particularly fair

no?

not even close

[hexed moth]

so i did an REU

[ivory stratus]

Nooooope

[hexed moth]

and it was wild seeing what some of the students from top schools were like

[azure zephyr]

not at all but you will have more resources to get u there at t10

[hexed moth]

like it took me 3 years to decide i wanted to do cs

and these freshman knew they wanted cs phds at 18 wtf

[wheat seal]

I mean every1 needs to do leetcode grind but ull definitely have a way way easier time with recruiting

[ivory stratus]

If you aren’t at t10, honestly just message recruiters on LinkedIn/email them. As long as you’re personal they’ll respond

[peak ferry]

rip grad school dreams for me lol

[hexed moth]

i go to a top 1000000 school and i got into fang

unless they rescind me lmfao

[azure zephyr]

lmao most of my cs friends said they wanted to get masters when we first started freshman year

now that we're seniors they're all like screw this im getting my bachelors and gtfo

[vestal pelican]

Where at 👀

[peak ferry]

masters cs is very rarely useful when u have ugrad cs tbh

[wheat seal]

Yea lol. 99% of ppl in my class raised their hands for masters but none r now

[hexed moth]

im getting my bezos bucks y'all

[grizzled bronze]

When people say FAANG, assume Amazon

[hexed moth]

yeah lmfao

[nocturne oriole]

Adding to this. There is a diff in how we genuinely feel. I connect with non top schoolers at work and we feel the pressure heavily

[hexed moth]

i mean amazon the only people hiring rn it seems like

[nocturne oriole]

We feel compared

It sucks but u grind and get good

[azure zephyr]

^ thats always been my mindset as well. i knew that i wanted to do software engineering so no real point in a masters for that

[peak ferry]

and actual research roles usually want a phd, so masters v awk

[hexed moth]

r any of y'all applying to phd programs as well

[lament summit]

i love how amazon is just absorbing all the top talent cuz no one else can afford engineers rn

xd

[static moth]

my school is probably T1000000000000000 and i got interviews at G, fb, and amz last year

[hexed moth]

im thinking about trying to go back to cmu

ye

[peak ferry]

no I'm too plebe, disappointed my family

[hexed moth]

i did research there @queen valve

[azure zephyr]

from a new grad perspective: have you noticed any co workers showcasing elitism when it comes to what school they went to?

[wheat seal]

But Amazon is amazing. People who say ” if your so smart why do u work at amazon”. I’m like bruh amazon has like 30k sign on and like 175k tc. That’s like top .001% of new grads

[hexed moth]

that might be too much

but it was in the ISR

[vestal pelican]

I did notice when I was interning lol

[hexed moth]

i wanna work in cylab though

i really look up to lorrie cranor if you know her

[wheat seal]

I notice that people from more elite schools are actually way more humble and friendly

[vestal pelican]

The placed I worked over the summer literally had special badges for Stanford grads next to there account page

[unborn grove]

Anyone know what doordash oa is like?

[azure zephyr]

i will say that every single person i've met from harvard has been so nice

[wheat seal]

I agree. At my internship with ppl from ivies and now at my ng job. They are just really chill

[hexed moth]

do you know josh sunshine

idk what any of them actually teach tbh LOL

ah

[wheat seal]

It’s usually professors from top schools that get arrogant

Sometimes I think

[peak ferry]

professors at my trash school were arrogant

[vestal pelican]

It was the opposite experience for me. It seemed like all the ivies just stayed in their own group

[hexed moth]

But yeah, I really enjoyed the ISR it was a really nice building too

[grave wolf]

I went to the recruiting fair today and the recruiter from Pinterest told me they don't sponsor SDE this year. can anyone confirm?

[hexed moth]

I wanted to work on the IoT stuff they had there

[wheat seal]

Same lol. I’m not from a top school though

[hexed moth]

I think I'm going to apply next year

assuming I hate being a SWE

[azure zephyr]

well i mean at a company that has a special icon for stanford grads im not surprised

way to isolate ur workforce

[peak ferry]

a friend had the same plan but suddenly they have swebux and an easy life and I don't think they're still super serious

[hexed moth]

I'd feel like a shithead if I applied when I know 99% I'm going to be a SWE when I graduate this may

[chilly burrow]

Yes

[peak ferry]

tbh this is also my plan if I hate being a swe I'll try and masters->phd

[hexed moth]

just go for ur phd i think

u have to pay for your masters

phd will be paid for

[azure zephyr]

@peak ferry didn't you just make a super rapid move to chicago

[peak ferry]

yuh

living life on the edge

[azure zephyr]

how's that going

wait you start soon?

[peak ferry]

packing lol

1.5wk from now ya I fly in friday

[hexed moth]

my friend is moving to chicago soon

[peak ferry]

chatting to avoid stressing about packing

[hexed moth]

he's going to work at BMO

[peak ferry]

no idea, some bank?

[hexed moth]

yeah

[vital meteor]

Theres a bmo in Chicago? Tf

Like bank of montreal

[hexed moth]

prety sure it's a big location too

oh no

BMO Harris

[peak ferry]

lol everything I know that's like a friend of a friend is in some like white collar profession like accounting/consulting/finance/etc

kinda wild cuz I'm from the bay were everyone is just a freakin swe

[lusty field]

Anyone know if there is still that CodeSignal bug where you can do it an unlimited amount of time s

[foggy perch]

true but also tbh I lowkey think there's more of a correlation b/w stem/cs focused schools and arrogance

[wheat seal]

Was there every a bug like that?

[compact sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/pitbull-cod-zombies-bo2zombies-black-ops-zombies-black-ops2zombies-gif-24753957

[foggy perch]

idk cmu folk seem more likely to me to be like that fo rexample

[lusty field]

ye with Square OA lol

[wheat seal]

Damn lol

[foggy perch]

harvard people seem chill since they have rich liberal arts college vibes

same for places like brown

[azure zephyr]

i only know ivy ppl from princeton & harvard so thats prob why

[grave wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-ok-this-is-gif-11614677

[foggy perch]

but also to me harvard folk feel like they're the people who got in from being student council president

or owning a non-profit

while cmu people are the ones who murdered each other to win math olympiads

[azure zephyr]

college application process was so dumb now that i think back on it

[wheat seal]

I feel like every single successful startup came from Stanford founders

[azure zephyr]

worked so hard to get into ucla, got into ucla and then realized no way im paying 70k a year lmao

[foggy perch]

rip

you got into ucla then couldn't go?

f

[grave wolf]

every google

[wheat seal]

70k?

[hexed moth]

70k a year?

[azure zephyr]

yeah i almost went to gatech instead but i rly wanted to get out of my state so i went to an out of state school that is basically paying me to go

[grave wolf]

if you feel physics is too hard in Princeton, build a company then

[hexed moth]

dawg my school is like 4k a year LOL

[wheat seal]

Gatech is nice tho

It’s t10

[azure zephyr]

yeah 70k a year

[wheat seal]

Isn’t like t5?

[peak ferry]

damn gtech is wildin but respect

[azure zephyr]

i think gatech is t10 or something idk

[peak ferry]

also yea OOS UCs are like an absolutely god awful deal

[azure zephyr]

i knew it was a rly good school esp for cs but everyone i knew there had zero social life and i rly wanted to go out of state

[wheat seal]

Georgia tech is #5

T5

[peak ferry]

ye fair tbh college lifestyle choice

[azure zephyr]

yeah i just told myself i'd work hard to make up for the difference between a T10 and a T50

[teal jackal]

ikr

it taught me in the end

that hive minds are stupid

forge your own path

[azure zephyr]

(we might look at this recruiting cycle the same way in a few years tho)

[teal jackal]

the problem with college apps was that people at my hs just blindly followed some sort of path thinking that it would yield some result that would yield them a perfect life

[wheat seal]

Yea just become a swe in the end and it’ll work out

Basically

[teal jackal]

it ended up being a waste of time

it was a hive minded that was a waste of time for me anyways

[nocturne oriole]

Nah hardly any, people are cool. It does feel like the “where did u go to school” question comes often from top schoolers though, but that could be sampling bias. However i had 3 random managers ask me that and they did have a slight reaction and i felt a bit judged

But it was very small and nothing to pause about

Like nothing worth worrying about in that sense and maybe just in my head. Socializing is weird

[wheat seal]

Nah I agree

Like I usually don’t care enough to ask

I get that too kirb

[foggy perch]

oh wait so you ended up not going to gatech?

i c now

I was gonna say I remember you saying you went to an average cs school

and was gonna be very confused if it was gatech

[wheat seal]

The person who founded leetcode went to like t200 school and worked at google for like 5yrs. Which is kinda interesting

[foggy perch]

obviously that man's secret plan was to popularize leetcode to make it easier for less-prestigious schools to have a way to get into big tech

and it worked

[wheat seal]

https://www.linkedin.com/in/winston-tang

[vital meteor]

Tf why dox me

[wheat seal]

Lol

[carmine pier]

is it worth to work for Amazon just to get a"faang" name on my resume even though they pay less than what I would be getting from my return offer to Tableau?

[wheat seal]

Btw any1 every run into a situation where some swes can never say “they don’t know”

[vital meteor]

What is tableau tc

[wheat seal]

Tableu makes a bunch of health software right

It’s pretty well known

[azure zephyr]

nope

[carmine pier]

$208.1k first year and $171.3k after

[wheat seal]

https://www.levels.fyi/companies/tableau-software/salaries/software-engineer

[sonic coral]

isnt tableau salesforce?

[calm shale]

why are yall ing my reject post

[sonic coral]

I would absolutely take SF over zon

[verbal sorrel]

why they gotta react like that though? Like fuck sorry not every kid can just waltz through MIT

[carmine pier]

yeah it is

[verbal sorrel]

Aye @sonic coral bro you seen my dm

[teal jackal]

i would so go to salesforce over zon

fr

[wheat seal]

Just say Salesforce subsidiary when making resume

[sonic coral]

like coming from a zon return offer i was willing to go to msft with a paycut

[teal jackal]

you could use the salesforce keyword on resume

[sonic coral]

shit bro i got caught up in other stuff my b

[teal jackal]

did u actually

[vital meteor]

Zon is the best faang though

[teal jackal]

or nah

[verbal sorrel]

You right your b gonna slap you (jk)

[teal jackal]

zon is the best since zon hires a lot

[hexed moth]

whatever companygives me an offer is best company

[wheat seal]

Is the pip quota even real tho

At amazon

[lost ether]

Quota is def up this recession 😂

[calm shale]

do they have a promo quota to counter the pip quota

[vital meteor]

Mythbusters had an ep on this, its fake

[sonic coral]

plausible

[nocturne oriole]

Old school meritocracy grindset. Very hard to undo and to be fair maybe they are convinced some average schoolers arent cut out for the job which might be true. But they think they can figure that out

[calm shale]

stop with these emotes

[wheat seal]

Ur at meta right

[verbal sorrel]

Maybe they should question if they’re so smart why can’t they get the metaverse to work

[hexed moth]

if someone asks me where i went to school when at my work i will fight them on the spot

[calm shale]

[nocturne oriole]

Yeah i am and honestly it doesnt help diversity hiring is a shit show and a farce. Meta wants to hire 50% diverse candidate company wide by 2024 and it just fucks up perception

To make things up like that

[wheat seal]

Like minority groups?

[nocturne oriole]

U better pray it works or i will work with u

[vital meteor]

Canadians iirc

[verbal sorrel]

Sounds sick

Hope it fails

[dusty basin]

Why do u say that like a threat

[nocturne oriole]

Yes

[wheat seal]

What’s odd is how twilio did anti racist layoffs. Really bright ceo

[verbal sorrel]

ikr

[nocturne oriole]

Yeah twilio thing was stupid

[dusty basin]

Wait tf

Lmao

[wheat seal]

Yea lol

[grizzled bronze]

What's anti racist layoffs?

[vital meteor]

Did they fire all asians

[wheat seal]

I’m black so I’m not complaining lol. But In all seriousness. The bar is still high. But it’s odd to filter on race

[dusty basin]

Only fire white ppl, I’d assume

Which, in itself, is racist

[wheat seal]

https://youtu.be/MIioUR2WR7s

[nocturne oriole]

I agree i am just mad on how diversity is framed cuz it carries over for all of us. Minorities and shit schoolers. Makes us seem like nothing but a number

“Shit schooler” is bad term but u get point

[sonic coral]

where my mid schoolers at

t50-100 gang

[wheat seal]

Nah I’m t200 gang

[dusty basin]

I wish bro

[calm shale]

t50 gang

[ivory stratus]

T69 gang

[calm shale]

i thought we went to the same school

[vital meteor]

How does the US have so many universities

[lilac siren]

other university gang

[ivory stratus]

Oh you see it’s called capitalism

[dusty basin]

Because it’s not Canada

[calm shale]

F

[lilac siren]

for my undergrad lol

[sonic coral]

I just checked your school again, there’s no way that’s not like t100

[dusty basin]

Lmfao u sure u didn’t look at another school

My school is trash

[vast rock]

where does this guy go to school

expose this guyr n

[dusty basin]

ur at zoom, I’m not

So not same place

[vast rock]

[dusty basin]

Oh yea 212tony. Forgot ur the only zoom employee in North America

[verbal sorrel]

Wtf is zoom

[dusty basin]

Ded company

[wheat seal]

Zoom is dying?

[dusty basin]

Right after Google, yes

[verbal sorrel]

idk bro she uses FaceTime. Not some ancient shit.

[wheat seal]

Zoom new grad?

[grizzled bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/working-busy-workaholic-multitasking-back-to-work-gif-12516733

overemployed

[wheat seal]

FaceTime is actually really bad compared to google meet

[dusty basin]

Fr tho @rain patio how’d u even interview bro

I got no motivation to even do OA since I started

[verbal sorrel]

am I talking about Google meet?

Like who asked you bro

[wheat seal]

Nah I’m just saying

[verbal sorrel]

Nah you were saying nothing

Fuck outta here

[grizzled bronze]

Because Zoom has even chill WLB than Amazon

[dusty basin]

Which google meet tho

Hangouts or the original one

[weak latch]

Mfw dream went/goes to my college

[verbal sorrel]

L

[dusty basin]

tru. I work 160 hours a week

[wheat seal]

Hangouts is still a thing though

[verbal sorrel]

Don’t worry about it

[dusty basin]

No it’s not

They merged it with meet

Or wait

Was that duo

I forgot

[wheat seal]

Duo merged with meet

[dusty basin]

It’s just so I’ll improve bro. I still keep my job

[wheat seal]

Actually nah I don’t even know lol

I think everything merged into meet

[dusty basin]

Oh yeah it is duo

Google confusing af bro

No wonder they hired @dire yarrow and @young peak

[vital meteor]

Lol you wish

I'm just on focus

[dusty basin]

Lmao

[grizzled bronze]

Caffeine will help with focus

[young peak]

Guys I'm between choosing 3 teams

Someone pls help me decide

[formal fable]

Weird question about Hackerrank OAs. If you were experimenting with your code but had not clicked the submit button before the timer ran out, will they consider the submission to be the one from the last time you clicked "submit" or just the last state of the code?

[young peak]

Submit

They don't give a fuck about your code, just the metrics that they get when they see your score

Like speed, passed cases, score etc

[formal fable]

Do they see all your scores?

[runic wind]

So the 15mins I spent debating on 2 spaces vs 4 were wasted?

[formal fable]

Cause, I'm trying to avoid a scenario where I submitted a better scoring code and then right when the clocked ended, I might be in a state of code that didn't do so well

[young peak]

Final score yeah

[inner cape]

has anyone interviewed with riot before?

[formal fable]

Well, here's hoping they see my barely passable attempt at TikTok's hive of sadistic problem creators

[young peak]

Lmaoo

If it's TikTok then congrats

Their code signal is pretty notorious for passing most folk

I got a TikTok offer last year so lmk if you have questions during the phone round

[formal fable]

No codesignal, twas hackerrank and if you go through the chat history you'd see it was terrifying this cycle

[young peak]

Ah lmao hackerrank** I always get em confused

[young peak]

Proctored tho right?

[vital meteor]

yea it wasnt too bad, and the interview room was comfy

https://virtualbackgrounds.site/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/casting-couch.jpg

[formal fable]

I mean... I literally had to hard code in one of the problems to handle a single use case to pass their time out constraints

Never solved an optimization problem via hard coding, but here we are

[formal fable]

Yes

[young peak]

Huh interesting

Well I'll tell you right now

[inner cape]

😂

u actually interview tho?

[young peak]

Their pipeline during phone round was pretty narly

They sent me a G form machine translated from Chinese to english

So all the dates you choose were scuffed

[dire yarrow]

Yo what teams you're matching with @young peak

[young peak]

@dire yarrow how's informationals bud

[formal fable]

Did you pass all cases and/or get through to next rounds? Twas definitely hard problem this time too, along-with a medium and easy and some random MCQs

[dire yarrow]

Is that an eci thing? I'm not in ECI

[young peak]

Stuck between all 3... Do I choose the smaller one with wider impact or the bigger one with guaranteed HC + leadership approved NEW project?

Both with good promo records

[dusty basin]

Wider impact

Duh

[young peak]

Hmmm

Idk man the HC thing is pretty important tbh

[dusty basin]

Plus u can get more visibility in a smaller team

[dusty basin]

Yea idk shit about that so

[dire yarrow]

Bro you have so much more info than me matching teams from inside 😳

[weak latch]

Wow

Fidelity resume reject

[grizzled bronze]

Fidelity new grad was always competitive

Or either I had skills issue

[calm shale]

their pay so little tho

[young peak]

Fidelity trash tier anyway bro

[teal jackal]

how the FUCK am i completely out of disk space

i only have 197mb left

[vast rock]

how would you guys compare amazon vs spacex vs lucid software (all hypothetical i wish i have all of these offers)?

[teal jackal]

at this rate i think im gonna uninstall and reinstall a lot of my game

i realized that a problem might be that games update without actually cleaning up old files

[grizzled bronze]

Amazon > Lucid > SpaceX (I put SpaceX in the end because low pay + terrible WLB)

[teal jackal]

amazon > spacex > lucid

spacex at least has decent brand name

[vast rock]

but for career growth and assuming u wanna jump to elsewhere in a year or two?

but i think ur right about spacex wlb tho

refcruiters and HM emailing me on sunday midnight lol

[dire yarrow]

Noo why you do this to me meta

[vast rock]

[dire yarrow]

What did meta do to you

[vast rock]

look at my avatar

[dire yarrow]

[fresh lagoon]

Noo

[vast rock]

dam why is your avatar so cute

[earnest warren]

Avatar for KaptainChanka#8808

Link as

png | jpg | webp

[dire yarrow]

[vast rock]

noreturnaemon

ok i cant be the only meta intern on this server with no return

theres' 90% of us

[foggy perch]

all the other meta interns with no return got sent straight to the shadow realm

[vast rock]

literally if ur in meta intern server rn half of us have the same avatar

LOL

[peak ferry]

rest in pieces

[long jacinth]

does anyone know typical faang entry level salary in boston?

[vast rock]

things have developed so fast lol it went from delayed offer till end of year -> only rockstars get offer but it's ok, we can always interview other places -> other places have hiring freeze -> its ok we always have amazon -> amazon doesn't send OA for 95% of ppl applying after august -> more hiring freeze & meta annoucing layoff , rescinding intern offers ->

[peak ferry]

Go on levels.fyi and check for the company & location and look at recent data points

wait did meta straight rescind?

[rain patio]

yeah it's v chill

they just talk a bit about your interests and lyk about the process

it's 1 technical phone and a 5-round onsite in chicago

and ask if you have questions about the firm since it's small and secretive

[ancient pagoda]

What does "evaluation passed" mean? am i getting an OA?

for tiktok

[surreal estuary]

i think you might skip the oa?

i got the oa and it says this

[vast rock]

when did u guys apply

im stuck on resume evaluation

[ancient pagoda]

2022-09-07

[vast rock]

applied to 2 positions around 9/11 to 9/14

[earnest summit]

you didnt get the OA?

[vast rock]

nope

this is 9/11

this is 9/14

wait is it bc i applied to a different job post?

i mean i thought they are the same

[marble bronze]

things have developed so fast lol it went from delayed offer till end of year -> only rockstars get offer but it's ok, we can always interview other places -> other places have hiring freeze -> its ok we always have amazon -> amazon doesn't send OA for 95% of ppl applying after august -> more hiring freeze & meta annoucing layoff , rescinding intern offers ->

[earnest summit]

not sure but i heard alot of people got the OA around the beginning of this week

all varying application dates

[vast rock]

i mean im assuming theres a deadline cut off?

[marble bronze]

Bro fuck hirevue

[vast rock]

im guessing u guys applied earlier than me?

[earnest summit]

not sure... I cant even see my application in my application portal lol

i just got the email

[peak ferry]

ic wtf that's still wild

honestly I'm still kinda skeptical that they'd rescind like a few offers? I can't find any other source besides one twitter post and it just seems really strange that they'd rescind only a few people?

[simple maple]

After how many days can we expect to hear back after the final Bloomberg in-person?

[autumn ridge]

My email said 7 business days

[vast rock]

Rescind is restricted to non NORAM regions

Meaning non North America

[night maple]

yeah like mission nightclub

[peak ferry]

That’s doesn’t really make it much better :/ idk gonna wait for more info but sounds really shitty

[pure mauve]

lmao have had wild experiences at Mission this summer

[primal pike]

yo discrete maths is making me rethink my career idk wat to do

[night maple]

like what

[dense cloud]

does anyone know if the bb introductory call is a screening or purely introductory

[clever orbit]

do karat interviewers care about time complexity?

Or is it only important I reach a correct solution

[jolly estuary]

anyone take the blackstone digital interview?

seems like a hirevue but also thru pymetrics

[zinc raven]

they'll ask you what the time complexity of your implementation is but I think they look more at your communication and correctness of your solution

[knotty talon]

got pinterest phone today 🙏 praying i dont get a DP hard like some people have lol

[weak latch]

If they’re trash tier and I got resume rejected what does that make me 😔

[late kestrel]

lol dw i got resume rejected too this week

but its ok

visa phone

manifesting

[weak latch]

🧘‍♂️

Manifesting visa phone and google onsite 🧘‍♂️

[uneven grove]

Man got rejected by Duolingo even after passing all test cases on the OA

[exotic lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/spanish-duolingo-surreal-entertainment-they-broke-there-streaks-so-i-broke-there-legs-gif-23364190

[clever orbit]

got 1.75 correct solutions on my karat

gnna have to redo that son of a bitch

[teal jackal]

hideen case?

[uneven grove]

Maybe? I thought hackerrank showed you all of the test cases, just with some inputs hidden

[tardy geode]

cursed duolingo owl

[latent sun]

dude what the fuck

that’s so arbitrary

you also have a strong resume

[teal jackal]

nah i could have recalled that they do hidden cases

but kinda wack

[latent sun]

bro i deadass didn’t even finish the last question

and got karat

[weak latch]

Did you see this number anywhere or guessing?

[clever orbit]

Guessing

[teal jackal]

its alawyas a guess

[clever orbit]

I got the first one rifht

[teal jackal]

the 0.75 implies that you had the implementation plan down

[clever orbit]

Was very close to second one

[teal jackal]

but didnt fniish

[clever orbit]

Yeah

5/10 more mins wulda had it

Was graph questions wasnt even hard

[teal jackal]

i did 3/3 on my first test, and when my recruiter didnt cancel my redo i took my redo anyways and got 2.5/3

yeah karat is stacked with graph shit

fr

[clever orbit]

I just messed up sinple stjff

[teal jackal]

take a redo

[clever orbit]

Simple

Yh im going to select to do it last minute

Apparently thats the trick

My interviewer said he enjoyed the interview though so mb i get lucky ahahapainahaha

[teal jackal]

i heard palantir is recruiter call, 2 onsites, and a final

idk what the onsites and final are like tho

[faint flame]

is there anyone get Bloomberg coffee chat? What is it about?

[teal jackal]

nah im stuck on the first phone interview

aint til oct 25

[clever orbit]

This is after the karat??

Dafuq

[teal jackal]

yeah allegedly

[uncut umbra]

has anyone had a call with radix trading or epic the healthcare company?

[weak latch]

same but october 21st

[night magnet]

Yes with epic

Pretty generic with the usual questions including (1) asking about a project you’ve done (2) why you’re interested in them

[teal jackal]

reapplying to mathworks feels like such a throwback
its so funny to see how far my resume has come
for context: in sophomore year, out of like the 120 internships i applied to, mathworks was one of the 4 that actually replied to me

[night magnet]

Wow

Ya that’s always so cool to see

Had the same feelijg with some of my companies

Where I would’ve given anything for them to respond 2 years ago but now idc

[teal jackal]

i love the power trip of adding 2 internships into my experience section

when it used to be empty

[uncut umbra]

I felt the same when applying to IBM, I hadn't applied last year for some reason and my resume still had high school awards on it lol

[uncut umbra]

oh so I gotta figure out why I'm interested other than employment

[teal jackal]

omfg mathworks still uses hirevue

🤮

[uncut umbra]

I see the message asking but not the message responding

[night magnet]

I just said I was premed before and that’s why I’m interested (which is actually true for me, but you could prob still use it regardless)

[calm shale]

STOP ING MY REJECT POSTS

[bronze estuary]

How long does IMC take to get back after phone?

it’s been over week for me

[calm shale]

@rain patio

[uncut umbra]

nice, thanks!

[uncut umbra]

yeah lmao I might as well

[teal jackal]

damn lmao mathworks oa and hirevue are auto now

[modest night]

anyone ever get a super day from goldman sachs?

[elder hound]

I did mine literally 3 weeks ago no response I’m assuming ghost but I emailed the recruiter last week and they said 2+ weeks

[lone rapids]

Atleast you got phone. Waiting after vieple

[native lantern]

anyone get ghosted after two sig final

[trail siren]

I have my C1 powerday tomorrow. Do anyone think I have a chance of getting it?

Or is it already full?

[dense cloud]

does palantir cancelling the karat redo guarantee the next round

[lament summit]

yes

[dense cloud]

its been over a week after karat

emailed my recruiter ytd but she didnt reply rip

[waxen bolt]

It would be a waste of money to have you interview at the superday if they already know it will not be possible to hire you I'd still think you have a chance

[trail siren]

Thank you @waxen bolt

[earnest summit]

fuck mine is in a month

i hope they dont fill up :\\

[lone rapids]

Should i just fill the applications without letting me them know i need sponsorship

[waxen bolt]

Definitely not you will get your application cancelled or even worse offer cancelled

[slender apex]

which comp is this for

[west egret]

Isn't that higher than principal at Amazon?

[formal fable]

Going into Bloomberg interview. Here's hoping that the interviewer shows up !

[fierce river]

Hey ,
I got a 20 min call with a recruiter on Google meet for circle after codesignal ..Can anybody who gave this can help me what to expect in that call ?
Thanks

[sonic coral]

Last cycle it was just a basic “why circle” and info about the rest of the process

Oh they might also ask you about your resume

[fierce river]

Okok ..thanks

[formal fable]

10 mins. Still no one here. Classic!

[dusky ledge]

lol me too

its been 2 min but i have a feeling they won't show

[formal fable]

WTF is going on with them? I can anticipate one in a 1000 case of a no-show due to unforeseen circumstances. But this here is a strong pattern. It's like they're scheduling interviews without reserving or notifying any interviewer

[dusky ledge]

Did you end up leaving your zoom call?

[deep wasp]

got my OA for Amazon SDE new grad just now

nervous

[dusky ledge]

i had this experience with intuit for last summer

[rain patio]

@dusky ledge @formal fable what round are you guys on?

[dusky ledge]

first phone technical

[formal fable]

I got my final with them a month ago, got waitlisted and yet somehow, random folks who applied a couple of weeks ago getting offers

[formal fable]

First round. But I have had previous interviews with them for non-NG and this is a new pattern with them

Even my other non-NG interview with them was a last minute cancellation

[rustic vessel]

Seems to be a common pattern this year

[formal fable]

like 5 min before the interview, just this week

[dusky ledge]

Did you email to reschedule @formal fable ?

[formal fable]

No, I got emailed to reschedule cause they cancelled it 5 mins before the interview.

[dusky ledge]

They didn't show up for your reschduled interview either?

[ruby plover]

anybody wait longer than a week after OA for Expedia Final round?

[formal fable]

Bloomberg. I have a whole another story for Zon

[formal fable]

The rescheduled one is different position. That's tomorrow now. Here's to wasting another hour of my life in the middle of office work day.

[dusky ledge]

Yea I'm gonna give it another 5 minutes and leave the call

I'm gonna email them in a bit

[formal fable]

Lol', I've been chatting up here and watching youtube while on call.

Did that 10 mins in just to be certain. I'm sure they'll read it a week later cause they do not seem to have a handle on their recruitment pipeline

[dusky ledge]

Yea i did

the email i got is out of service btw 😑 so i got an automated one saying to email somewhere else

its such a shit show

intuit did the same thing last year but were more responsive at least

[median halo]

new grad is drier than internship hunt last year for me

[formal fable]

Lol, Tweet at them. That's what I did when I got overcharged on uber and no one responded to emails

[formal fable]

Not to mention, lay-offs. This year, shit's packed. It's like a Black Friday sale, except the only discount is on our CTC

[median halo]

so everyone is struggling and it's not just me?

[formal fable]

Sorta... yeah, but some of us got loans and visa issues

[median halo]

wdym?

amazon

@cedar nebula u have an offer?

really?

where from @cedar nebula ?

[formal fable]

I mean everyone's struggling for jobs. A subset of those also have hefty student loans and/or residency/visa contingency on being employed.

[silk cedar]

no one showed up to my rescheduled interview on Monday, I didn't contact them cause I just didn't wanna bother, got another automated email to schedule an interview this morning lmao

[median halo]

oh man

that sucks

[formal fable]

I literally saw someone get an offer just a few minutes ago who apparently cold applied and interview a couple of weeks ago. How come they got folks on waitlist, and yet hiring after?

[rain patio]

i applied to amazon in august for new grad but didn't even get an OA yet. Will I even get a chance to go through the pipeline?

I got some random email from them saying that "I was still under consideration" but they didn't send the OA or anything :/

[plush crane]

Same here applied aug 1

[formal fable]

Accept away my man. I had to accept a lame offer as well cause what other choice do we have?

[median halo]

@formal fable which company?

i just hope itll be easier to hop companies in 2 years time

[rain patio]

The craziest part is I had multiple AWS recruiters reach out. But when I ask them if I can go through the new grad pipeline, they say to apply on amazon.jobs and then ghost me

[median halo]

but in 2 years time though?

[formal fable]

No-name early stage startup that I'm overqualified for /overperforming at past 3 months. The manager is a great guy, has all the nice words and great work rhythm with me. I can obviously see my tangible value output to the company, both in past performance and future, and so can he (and the CEO). Yet, the offer barely makes par for HCOL city I am in and for my xp.

[rain patio]

If an AWS recruiter reaches out does that mean its for industry hire pipeline? They aren't helping for new grad pipeline

honestly i wouldn't be surprised if it's automated but in the emails they're telling me the process is an OA then VO

but if I ask about new grad they ignore me xD

yeah they did it for the azure CTO lol

[formal fable]

Yes. New grad's are a fairly automated process. I've had numerous Amazon reach outs, almost all of them immediately disinterested the moment I mention new grad application as that's an entirely other dedicated team

[rain patio]

Guys I know exacty 0 sys design and def can't learn it before the interviews tho. I don't think I can pass industry hire pipeline

[deep wasp]

I applied a few days ago and they sent me OA today

[rain patio]

bruh wtf is this BS. Amazon is randomly handing out OAs

[formal fable]

System design, so far for new grads, has been sparse and largely constrained to very low level OOD. Tis not hard to learn given you practice good software engineering principles and design patterns. The senior roles will demand high level, complex systems though. So... pick your battles

[vast rock]

Amazon industry hire OA is way harder

[teal jackal]

Most literate aws recruiter

[vast rock]

u usually get LC hard and LC mediums mixed on amazon industry hire online assements. Amazon is only easy to get in thru university hire

[rain patio]

I'm a LC monkey (did 300+) so I am ready/fine with doing new grad pipeline at Amazon but I would be screwed with industry hire pipeline since they ask System design

[teal jackal]

I remember when you were an optimist lmao

[formal fable]

The pays match that standard as well.

[teal jackal]

Just work hard you'll do well

Not reality anymore sadly

[vast rock]

And amazon SDE I industry hire has no system design btw, may have OOD/OOP but def not high level design

[teal jackal]

^

Actual sysdesign is rare

[vast rock]

I actually have industy hire OA scheduled and i am more worried about that cuz if I get a LC hard im kinda fucked

[rain patio]

@formal fable my friend is a new grad and went through the industry hire pipeline. They asked him to design a price matching service. I would be so screwed if I got anything like that lol

[teal jackal]

Isn't that ood though

That's not the worst

[formal fable]

You will get that for Zon SDE2 or up and equivalent. I got thrown "design ride sharing app" question in another ecommerce company position.

[teal jackal]

I'm gonna start studying sysdesign soon

[lone rapids]

Which schools are open for masters t10 with TA available?

[vast rock]

lmO

[rain patio]

@cedar nebula do you have any recommended resources. i tried sys design primer but hated it since it feels like a mish mosh of random stuff combined

[gloomy rock]

anyone ever been asked if they’ve seen the question before in an interview cuz u solved it kind of quickly? does that hurt your chances

[bold pier]

Frenz, what to study for BB virtual onsite?

[topaz elk]

I got this exact offer

[formal fable]

Mate, there's a difference in expectation from the same question depending on the seniority of the role.

If I ask you "price matching system", it could mean...

For NG/SDE I: Basic OOD, focus on asymptotic complexity, design patterns, etc

For SDE II or above: Scalability, CAP principles, modern stacks, distributed systems, etc

Obviously, the latter is much much harder a discussion

[rain patio]

I agree I think it was actual sys design. He had a seperate OOD interview

[sour night]

They don’t I have a competing offer with RSUs rn but I’ll lyk what happens

[rain patio]

ok so you guys are saying its better to yolo/grind system design with industry hire pipeline than to wait for the new grad pipeline to fix? I can try to email the recruiter and tell them I changed my mind but i'm just worried about the cooldown

[teal jackal]

Yeah that makes sense to me

I think for reasonable companies that aren't tryhard

Sysdesign is not important

[formal fable]

Well then either the role was SDE 2 or above, or he didn't have to do actual system design. They do not expect, nor scrutinize junior engineers on concepts that they will never have them implement to begin with.

For your case, I'd say you focus on design patterns, API design, software engineering practices to first secure a good low-level role and then worry about high level design

[vast rock]

is amazon cool down 6 months or a year

[teal jackal]

6 months

[rain patio]

The only thing is i'm hearing people getting OAs for new grad so i'm tempted to wait but at the same time i might never get an OA for new grad lol

[formal fable]

6 months, officially. But I've heard that some recruiters get flexible with it or don't check

[vast rock]

ah ok

[teal jackal]

6 months is the upper limit

[vast rock]

The OA doesnt make sense im a former Amazon intern that did well + applied early august never got OA

somehow ppl applying now are getting OA

[rain patio]

6 months.

[formal fable]

I wish. They don't bother downleveling, forget being generous enough to up-level. I performed well on all coding and OOD rounds. Fumbled a bit with high level system design for SDE 2. I specifically asked the recruiter after rejection to consider me for SDE 1. NO response

[vast rock]

pretty sure ng and SDE I induty hire are the saame role

[floral plank]

Is there a link to sde1 industry hire app?

[topaz elk]

Okay I asked for 205-210k with signing

And he was like

He gave a very positive response and that I had a really interview process so it'd totally be possible and considerable for me

Really good

[rain patio]

@formal fable he had 6 rounds of onsite. does that mean it was for a higher position?

[vast rock]

the interview im getting is OA -> 4 rounds of VO

shouldnt be 6

[rain patio]

bruh so the amazon recruiter put a new grad into the sde 2 pipeline lol

[teal jackal]

It seems like every hiring pipeline is plagued with messiness and incompetence this year

[rain patio]

@vast rock are you doing new grad or industry hire pipeline?

[teal jackal]

Bloomberg interviewer no-shows, Amazon doing dumb shit like wait lists and recommending people apply for sde3

[floral plank]

yea cuz alot of people are in need of a job

[formal fable]

IDK man. Number of rounds is arbitrary and subjective to the company. I just know high level system design has no business in junior roles since no one at the company will trust a junior to build something that complex to begin with. It's a waste of time, talent and potential.

[teal jackal]

Microsoft didn't even hire a single person

[vast rock]

industry im not sure if i wanna do it yet

[teal jackal]

This year sucks

[rain patio]

@vast rock same that's what i'm thinking

[vast rock]

Im trying to return to the same team I interned on so at least 1 round i can be guaranteed to do well cuz its my ex manager

my concern is the OA with LC hards

[rain patio]

def better tc it's just harder than the new grad pipeline

there's always a chance of 30 min final interview too

[crystal hollow]

hello fellow kids

[wicked pendant]

i got to around there, my competing offer had rsus but they only rlly considered signing

[rain patio]

didn't they make new grad even easier this year? It used to be 3x60 now its only 2x60

[vast rock]

off topic question are yall hearing back from doordash? i am not even getting the OA

[wicked pendant]

used to be 3x45

[topaz elk]

U think I shouldve asked for 220k or would that have been impossible seeing how I don't even have any concrete offers

I literally just said I'm in the process for 2sig and interning at insert unicorn here

[formal fable]

Depends on the difficulty of the rounds TBH. 3 lame interviews only talking about my projects and LPs isn't as hard as 2 which grill me hard on code optimization or something else technical. It's hard to say

[wicked pendant]

i think thatd be hard without competing offers but they say they dont rlly have bands so maybe

[topaz elk]

Lmao

I only negoed because I think my interviews pretty much all went amazing except 1

[formal fable]

People here tend to think of negotiations as something as simple as "asking". The reality is and always has been, it's about leverage. Why would you pay someone more if there's tons others ready to do the job just as good and you don't have anything better to go to?

[topaz elk]

My HR round was god tier I actually connected so well with my HR person

[formal fable]

Expectations are set high and disappointment follows when you just "ask for more".

[topaz elk]

Like we just talked about mech keyboards for half the time

[wicked pendant]

always try to nego.. someone in the bb discord negotiated without competing offers. theres ways to phrase it, its just harder

[tardy geode]

hey @wicked pendant can i dm you?

[last summit]

nobody is gonna rj you for negotiating, you have nothing to lose

[formal fable]

Precisely. They wanna optimize for best fit, doesn't mean best possible engineer necessarily. Just means the best value for the money offered.

[wicked pendant]

sure, sent req

[topaz elk]

100%, it doesnt matter that much if you did well on the interviews and word it correctly

Say stuff like, I really like bb, I loved my interviews, I want to go to new york, but theres just small things where I would feel like I'm losing out because other companies might offer XXX

and then just get them to match it

[formal fable]

In a world filled with lay-offs, 21/22 grads combined and recession, try to force find happiness in lame offers. I know I am cause BB keeps ghosting and Zon keeps wait listing . inhales copium

[last summit]

• throw in that you'll sign immediately for <X>

[topaz elk]

its weird because big tech is hella hard but Ive noticed trading has not stopped recruiting

[topaz elk]

yepyepyep

[wicked pendant]

yeah, can make it about a certain goal too. i had a mentor that said she always negoed on the basis of like oh im saving for a down payment on (thing) can you raise by (amount)

[bronze nymph]

this xceed dude has historically terrible takes regarding negotiating

tldr always negotiate you have nothing to lose

[formal fable]

Ah, the mafia has spoken yet again for me.

These try-hards tried to paint me as "someone who discourages negotiations". Which is clearly not what I did. I simply asked folks to temper expectations while negotiating so that you minimize disappointment. You can search it up if you're bothered enough. Of course, got piled on my "success-bias survivors"

There's no shame or real disadvantage in negotiating, but the intensity of it does matter and how you perceive your offer given circumstances also matters.

[vast rock]

I have a ffriend that told bloomberg he has Stripe offer and wanted them to speed up VO which was backed up, and the reccruiter just rejected him (like dropped his application) lol

was ur competing offer like way better

[formal fable]

Mate, I fully suspect my C3.AI process resulted in a rejection, precisely because I merely mentioned an ongoing process with Google. Like, perfect interviews, and somehow, the interviewer briefly mentioned "we offer good pay, just under top FAANG-like". I knew it was a bad sign, cause I misspoke about the company I was parallely engaged with.

Aced through easy/medium LCs and OOD, all rounds. Final result, rejection.

[vast rock]

RIP

[formal fable]

Of course, Google then told me "it was too early to move to VO even though you passed the screening cause it's September and we don't know your start date based on EAD yet"

[ruby plover]

I think the difference is if you have an offer in hand or are in the process. More likely to say "no" then renege your existing offer

In the process negotiating is obviously not really worth it because of volume of candidates

[formal fable]

Recruiter also then added salt to the injury by saying "I see your new grad application, and I think the reason it's not picked up yet is because they don't see a great fit with your level of experience". I was trying to schedule a VO with them for SWE III at the time.

[ruby plover]

I agree

[late kestrel]

this is why you never offer specifics if you dont have to. just say youre in the process for other opportunities

[ruby plover]

Google rejected me cause I was in process with Lockheed Martin 😩

[formal fable]

Yeah, I learnt that lesson. Applied it with BCG. Didn't work still. Perfect rounds, but the recruiter asked about joining date and I mentioned Jan 2023. Wrapped up the final partner round, and boom. Rejection.

[marble bronze]

I wish

[formal fable]

Success bias mate. There's folks here who got baller offers last year. Barely out of college. They then go on and lecture everyone as self-declared experts in industry hiring like they have spreadsheets for the past decade of hiring patterns.

Reality is, they got a great opportunity for their effort in a reasonable number of tries at the peak of the industry and now they lecture those who have to deal with the reality of random rejection and crowded market.

[vast rock]

^^^

I actually know a few ppl joined Meta ng just now that brags about it but have absolutely no clue wtf they are talking about for technical stuff

i mean also hiring bar last year for meta ng was low as hell

[formal fable]

Easy to hold one's position during tough times than to get one

[marble bronze]

At the very least it seems like night and day now that I have 2 internships from 0 last year

I can't imagine trying to go for new grad without internships this year

No

[vast rock]

i thoght its to protect them. from bootcamp

cuz if they do massive reorgs and bootcampers join a team that will soon undergo reorg bootcamper will get fucked

freezing bootcamp grad is actually better for incompetent bootcampers

i know what u mean lol i was a meta intern

i am fully aware of the process

[formal fable]

Here's the real mental or psychological stress in this cycle.

When you suck at an interview, if you're competent, you will take notes, go back to studying/prep, work hard and improve. Eventually, you'll improve enough to get an offer.

When you did not suck and still got rejected (at least from your perspective), you don't know what to fix, what to do. Just despair as you only see the successful few talking while the rest bite their lip.